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Missouri owes all their success to Texas

Not really. But yeah they do. Sort of.

Kirk Bohls wrote about Missouri's 'permanence' on the college football map in today's Statesman.

This quote caught my eye:

"The Big 12's tougher entrance requirements (that) Texas insisted upon really helped Missouri because they leveled the playing field with the other schools, especially Nebraska," said MU grad Steve Richardson, who has authored a new book on the Tigers called, "Then Pinkel said to Smith."

Ok, that's the worst book title ever (or even evar).

When the Big 12 conference was formed, Texas didn't take much liking to Nebraska's ability to get Prop 48 players in school. We're not operating under Harvard's admission guidelines here, but this isn't Thunderdome either. Nebraska wasn't happy about it, but we didn't care and we usually get what we want.

Hey Missouri?

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It doesn’t seem like those academic edges kicked in until Solich left NU. Just sayin’…

by Bob in Houston on Oct 16, 2008 11:30 AM CDT reply actions  

I somewhat disagree. Any Husker fan will tell you that Solich’s recruiting had tanked long before his dismissal. And the Nebraska teams of the late 90s and early 00s were a shadow of the mid-90s squads, a respectable 9-3 season notwithstanding.
 
I think the ’95 defense started something like 4 Prop 48s. Once that number was limited by Texas lobbying, Nebraska was headed down.

by Scipio Tex on Oct 16, 2008 11:59 AM CDT reply actions  

No Prop 48’s is also responsible for K-State’s return to irrelevance.

….unless they’re playing Texas that is.

by MU_LAX on Oct 16, 2008 12:24 PM CDT reply actions  

I thought it had something to do with changes to Nebraska’s “county scholarship” program…

by Hawkman on Oct 16, 2008 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Do you really want your roster composed of the stars of 6-man football?

by Nebraska's Counties on Oct 16, 2008 12:56 PM CDT reply actions  

As a Husker fan I can tell you that Scip is 100% correct. I can also tell you that Tom Osborne was the only coach (I believe) that voted against the Big 8 joining the SWC and forming the Big XII. This was one of the reasons for his vote. Not saying he did right or wrong, just that it simply was.

Also, recruiting was about as low as it could’ve possibly been by the time Solich was fired. Although there were many that were upset by his dismissal (hey…he just came off a 10-3 season, which wouldn’t have been repeated the following year IMO, but I digress) the people that followed recruiting couldn’t have been happier. Also I think the ONLY reason we went 10-3 that year, is because we had 4 NFL draft picks in our starting defense: Demorrio Williams, Josh & Daniel Bollocks, and Barret Ruud.

It was well known that Solich hated recruiting and felt that “We’re Nebraska! We’ll recruit well by our name alone!!”

by Mister Mike on Oct 16, 2008 1:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Surely the bright side to the Big Twelve is that you get to associate with our academic and athletic excellence.

by Baylor on Oct 16, 2008 1:08 PM CDT reply actions  

“We’re Nebraska! We’ll recruit well by our name alone!!”

Um, no.

Didn’t work for Texas in the 80s, USC in the 90s, Notre Dame, FSU, Miami, Alabama….. or other places that aren’t -10 degrees in December and don’t have girls that look more like polar bears than homosapians.

by Texasholdem on Oct 16, 2008 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

All these rules sure didn’t stop Dez Bryant and Jermie Calhoun from making to the B12 and who knows how many others if you are in tune with the down low (and I am sure there are many, many others). Think about it, if Mack does not even attempt to recruit you and you are considered to be the best RB in Texas and 2nd best in the nation, then what does that tell about the academic abilities of said Mr. Calhoun, especially when you consider that Mack must have known that he was sorely shorthanded in the RB department this season.

Solich must have pissed off someone he shouldn’t have and this is also probably why he ended up with a Mickey in his drink up in Ohio. Come on, you think that was just chance? In CFB and life in general, you do not want to piss off people you shouldn’t have and especially if you are a public figure. If you do, you are almost guaranteed to end up like that NY gov. with your pic plastered across the nation in papers and a pissed off wife giving you a dirty look at home or even worse.

The more likely reason for NU’s decline is the massive commercialization of CFB over the past decade. Just look at how much more dough is pouring into CFB on every level. With so much additional money to be made, it would be more reasonable to believe that the College Football Gods decided to put their emphasis on areas where they could get a maximum on their returns, and, unforutnately for NU, Nebraska wasn’t one of those favored locations. Now if NU did something like sell all their daugthers off into slavery, then this scenario might change, but outside of something of that magnitude, NU will never be allowed to be as dominant as they were in the mid 90’s, just for the simple reason that there is no profit in it. Whatever residue of innocence that was in CFB back in mid 90’s probably has no room to exist anymore. Just too much money involved now to let any ideals get in the way.

After all, what rational person could ever put any stock in this mumbo, jumbo propaganda attempt to legitimize CFB. That would be equivalent to putting lipstick on a pig.

by steven on Oct 16, 2008 2:21 PM CDT reply actions  

“Um, no.

Didn’t work for Texas in the 80s, USC in the 90s, Notre Dame, FSU, Miami, Alabama….. or other places that aren’t -10 degrees in December and don’t have girls that look more like polar bears than homosapians."

Hey, just merely painting a picture of the mindset of that particular coaching staff. It was well known that recruiting was not their strong suit…and that’s being generous.

by Mister Mike on Oct 16, 2008 2:47 PM CDT reply actions  

“The more likely reason for NU’s decline is the massive commercialization of CFB over the past decade.”

While I think that is certainly true to some extent (look at all the state of the art facilities, top notch, almost NFL-like S&C programs, and the willingness of programs to invest millions of dollars into these things) I think it also has as much to do with the decline of Prop 48’s, scholarship limitations, and the fact that just about any one of the 119 I-A schools can get on TV at least twice a year. Is that parity? Maybe.

Also, I also believe that certain things in athletics, and college football in particular are cyclical. OU & USC were the bottom of the barrel for most of the 90’s, Texas for most of the 80’s and on. But a program gets the right person in the right position and all of the sudden things come full circle. Historically dominant teams (OU, USC, UT) flourish yet again. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think Nebraska (or any school for that matter) will ever go 60-3 over a five year period again. Hell, teams going undefeated during the season are becoming a rarity anymore. However, to say that Nebraska will never be in the thick of things again is premature, IMO.

by Mister Mike on Oct 16, 2008 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

“Hey, just merely painting a picture of the mindset of that particular coaching staff. It was well known that recruiting was not their strong suit…and that’s being generous.”

And, I was just emphasizing the stupidity of the coaching staff’s thought process.

by Texasholdem on Oct 16, 2008 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

NU won’t become a dominant team until they start to run the ball again. If they went back to becoming a dominant run team again, then they would not need as many skill players (since they could never accumulate enough of them to compete with the likes of the UT’s of the world), and then what athletes they could manage to scrounge up could be placed on the def. end of the ball, so that you guys wouldn’t totally suck on that side of the ball. To me, that seems to be only formula for success for NU that could work in a practical sense.

Not saying NU couldn’t become a dominant team. To me, they are the only B12 North team that could field a dominant team consistently, which is not saying much. There are alot of factors in the equation for success, and there are always going to be exceptions to the general rule. Otherwise, the general rule would become too obvious, and no one that matters wants that to happen. It wouldn’t be good for business.

As far as the Prop. 48 is concerned, I point to my above examples. Given the background of where alot of these players come from, do you really think all that stuff really means squat. Nobody really has to pay attention to those rules, at least not unless they want to. Just look at the way alot of these athletes talk and then you get the picture. I mean, just watch that Jarboe youtube rant and rap. You think he could get into school in a legit way? You think a scuzball guy like Callahan is gonna give a shat about a Prop. this or that.

Hey, as long as it doesn’t hit the papers, it doesn’t matter. I think that was Swizter’s motto and nothing has changed. Who can’t publicize and mouth off some stupid rule? What does any of it mean and matter when no one gives a crap enough to enforce any of it, and it is pretty clear to anyone who looks at the CFB landscape that in CFB no one gives a crap at the present time nor any time to come in the foreseeable future.

by steven on Oct 16, 2008 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Henry, right back at you:

     WHEREAS, Missourians have played an important role in Texas history. Stephen Austin, a Missourian, is considered to be the father of Texas and is the man for whom the capital of Texas was named. Stephen’s father, Moses Austin, also a Missourian, is considered to be the grandfather of Texas;

     WHEREAS, the Siege of the Alamo, which occurred from February 23 through March 6, 1836, in San Antonio, Texas, marked the beginning of Texas’ struggle for independence from Mexico;

     WHEREAS, Jacob Darst, a Missourian, was the man who touched off the first shot of the Texas Revolution;

     WHEREAS, one hundred eighty men, including a number of volunteers from Missouri and men with Missouri connections, defended the fortified missions at the Alamo against an army of several thousand;

     WHEREAS, on March 6, 1836, the Battle of the Alamo occurred, in which all of the men who defended the Alamo gave up their lives;

     WHEREAS, five Missouri volunteers, William Charles M. Baker, George D. Butler, Charles Henry Clark, Jerry C. Day and George W. Tumlison, gave up their lives on March 6, 1836, in defense of the Alamo;

     WHEREAS, this monument, to be dedicated to the memory of the Missouri volunteers, would be located at the Alamo;

     NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, by the Senate, the House of Representatives concurring therein, that the Missouri General Assembly supports the establishment of a memorial to honor the volunteers from Missouri who gave up their lives at the Alamo for the independence of Texas; and

by Gene Claude on Oct 16, 2008 6:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Mizzou couldn’t take the Prop 48s that NU could so it had to help. Instead of Rozier or Phillips Nebraska now has to make do with Lucky or Helu. Quite a difference. That and they shot themselves in the foot, leg, abdomen and head with the Callahan hire.

by Tiger Fan on Oct 17, 2008 7:19 AM CDT reply actions  

<p>I think we should take a closer look at this program:</p>

by dedfischer on Oct 17, 2008 7:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Interesting, here’s Tech’s:

And Oklahoma:

by dedfischer on Oct 17, 2008 8:01 AM CDT reply actions  

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