Scott Drew Finds His Inner (Dave) Bliss

The rest of the big 12’s hatred? I see an article quoting Barnes. Did I miss something?

You may not have missed anything here, but if you’re unaware of how most (or all) Big XII coaches perceive Drew then you are very uninformed.

Meh. D1 basketball coaches in general are a pretty sorry lot, and most will do whatever it takes. Plenty of stories about Calhoun, Kzyzewski, Olson etc. It’s probably a small part of the reason there’s no real impetus to clean up the well-known cesspool that includes the AAU, traveling teams and the like.

What I find most striking here is not the Baylor story (are they getting singled out primarily due to their mini-run in the B12 tourney? Why stop there?) but the fact that Evans used Barnes as his stalking horse. Where is the outrage from Capel? Would that be too hypocritical (unlikely Thayer would care if he even recognized the thought) or is it more likely Thayer is just clever enough to know there could be some blowback here and why not toss UT into the mix just in case?

Strikes me as a one-off hit piece designed to garner cheap headlines attacking a program that doesn’t have the muscle to really respond and probably just as importantly raking muck with the University of Texas at the same time.

Baylor has been dead to me since their tartan court shredded Wacker’s knee. But this BU team actually underperformed (underscoring your point that he’s not a particularly good coach) so I’m not sure why they would merit coverage – particularly at this time of the season – except for the reasons as I see them above.

If this is the beginning of Thayer’s attempt to redeem himself as a journalist and shine a light on the practices in D1 basketball recruiting I’ll stand corrected. My bet is this is the last we hear from him on the subject, unless he’s got some other juicy comments from Barnes stashed away.

In my opinion BU sports look like the Areopagus when compared to some of the things done to their academic program in the name of religion.

(And yes, I understand the school’s declared mission.)

Watch the coaches shake hands after conference games. It’s easy to see they hate Drew.

Why is the first monkey in your evolutionary chart/image appear to be waving his arms like he’s crossing the dance floor at Oilcan Harry’s?

I didn’t realize the hatred for the fightin’ baptists coach…interesting. I doubt the ncaa ever cracks down on the aau shenanigans, hiring of coaches as “player assistants”, etc..dirty shit that’s been going on for decades. That’s not even including ncaa football.

Cro-Fagnon?

Why is the first monkey in your evolutionary chart/image appear to be waving his arms like he’s crossing the dance floor at Oilcan Harry’s?
 
I hadn’t noticed that. Outstanding.

The first monkey is about to open a can of crane technique whoop ass.

I enjoy the timing of this and the other article.

Just so I’m clear . . .

Dear Baylor:
We don’t care that you beat us b/c everyone hates you and your coach and you’re jerks, and you cheat and you’re stupid heads and poopie pantses.
Sincerely,
UT

Does that about sum it up?

What a bunch of arrogant piece of $hits! hmmmmm…lets see, how in the hell did Durant get to Austin?? Dont make me continue the list on and on about the sleezy BS that UT exhibits year in and year out. This is ridiculous! And this all comes out once you lose to the little Bears up the road. Rick Barnes can choke on Bevo’s schlong…if its even long even to choke him. Since Barnes is good at slobbing all the Big 12 refs knobs…

And UT can rest on the laurels of its felon-laden football team.

Book ’em Horns preaching morals and ethics…cute.

I imagine Durant got to Austin on plane. You can post some specific accusations, but I doubt you have any.

Are you serious? You longhorns get so insecure when somebody beats you. Barnes can’t get it done. He’ll never get it done. He coaches “that other team” at TU and he’s just bitching as an excuse just like Mack Brown. But as it has already been said, the University of Texas, or its fans, should be the absolute last to raise questions of morality as the pertain to sports. You have a laundry list of your own problems to worry about.

Scipio, you have the Baptist in a tizzy with your questioning of their morals and shit.

Didn’t Cedric Benson rape a white girl?

Like what exactly?

Baylor fans always represent their university with such class and dignity.

9 UT players arrested in 40 days.
How soon we forget…..

You would think Baylor would try to run a clean basketball program for at least a few years considering they had to fire their last coach for covering up the murder of one of his own players

Scholes…as i understand, there is particular vitriol between barnes and a drew staffer. goes back a ways. so RB has an axe to grind here. and he’s sort of the dean of the B12 coaching frat now. so it makes sense he’d have the megaphone. RB has never been one to fear of what others think.

Baylor needs to be careful.

They are irrelevant enough that the NCAA would actually drop the hammer on them to make an example out of them

For Baptists they sure do curse a lot. My goodness! (Fans self)

Goosefeathers!

It’s ok. That’s only when other Baptists are around.

Didn’t Cedric Benson rape a white girl?
 
I don’t know. Do you consider Baylor’s defense a white girl?

“and this all comes out once you lose to the little Bears up the road.”

I guess your lucky that UT only loses to the little Bears every 11 years or so.

A few points for Baylor fans:

1) Pointing out Texas’ alleged transgressions is just silly. It does nothing to refute the argument that Drew recruits dirty or offers recruits hookers or anything else. All it does is show how defensive you are on the subject.

2) Would it kill you to maintain a moderate level of civility and rationality? In case you haven’t noticed, this site is one of the few great sports sites—and as a bonus, it covers the Big 12. Please don’t make it painful to read.

On Drew:

This article doesn’t bring up anything new. Drew’s hiring of Wall’s AAU coach is old news. I’ve heard whispers about Drew recruiting dirty, but little definite. It mainly focuses on a single incident involving Tweety Carter. After signing carter, several other recruits received a flyer with three coaches on it: Drew and two others (I think Knight the elder and someone else). It pointed out that of the three, only Drew had signed a McDonald’s AA. Drew later apologized for the flyer and claimed he didn’t know the flyer was sent out. If true, I wonder about Drew’s lack of control of recruiting. And there’s always a chance he was just backtracking. Other than that, I have heard of no specific incidences of anything that is dirty.

There are a couple of question we need to ask here.

1) Are these seemingly isolated incidents just that—or are they just the visible tip of an iceberg of dirty recruiting?

2) Does Thayer Evans have any credibility left after his Jamarcus McFarland piece?

3) How would Texas fans react if the shoe was on the other foot?

Thanks,
Ryan Cobb
Baylor ’08

So Baylor B-Ball cheats and Christians can be downright unchristian and hypocritical, hey Scipio.

“What tough nut shall you crack next, o’ teller of hard truths: that politicians lie?”

You know, they say that people who live in glass houses should not be the first ones to throw stones. That saying is probably applicable here. Now Baylor may do so over and above the other schools in the great state of Texas, but, let’s not kid ourselves, on the collegiate level, no one is exactly what you could consider to be clean and totally on the up and up. One thing I admire about Drew though is his courage to do his hair like Richie Cunningham. It takes some balls, really big balls in fact, to consistently wear a cut like that and then dare to go on public television.

RC-nice post.

1.) I don’t think Drew is “dirty” in the NCAA violation way, but rather in the shady “hire the AAU coach”, “shit talk other schools to recruits”, “kind of a prick” way. If any Baylor fans have evidence to the contrary, please share.

2.) None. Barnes does though, especially among Texas fans. There have been no allegations of anything suspect during Barnes’ tenure. Is Evans trying to cause a scene, yes. Does that mean he made up the Barnes’ quote? Probably not. The most shocking thing to me is that Barnes even spoke to Evans.

3.) Pissed. But I do know that this site and others would try first to refute the charges, and then bludgeon the other school. Some Baylor fans seem to have it backwards.

Fuck? What is the issue here? That a coach at Baylor might be hypocritical?

There is shocking news. Next thing someone will try to tell me that St. Grant’s strength coach used to give out steriods like pez, he was linked to the death of a Baylor basketball player who had I believe Marfan’s syndrome that got exacerbated by the steriods during the Haller years, and that St. Grant himself might have even lied to a recruit (i.e. Alfred Anderson for one).

R.C.-
1. Pointing out Baylor’s alleged transgressions is just silly. It does nothing to refute the argument that UT’s football team has more felons than a Jay Z concert. All it does is show how UT fans like to start crap but can’t stand rocks hitting their glass houses.

2. Before you blame Drew for hiring Clifton (Wall’s AAU coach), let’s see the blogs on TAMU-CS’s recruitment of DeAndre Jordan, KSU’s recruitment of Beasley, or KU’s recruitment of Darrell Arthur. Hiring people to get a player is old news—all of the above are just recent examples. It just so happens that when “little ’ol Baylor” does it, folks like to play the Christian card. I’ll take it as a compliment—we’re relevant and soon to be a threat.

Baylor is just doing what everyone else is doing. I suggest you get over it.

3. With the exception of a single mention of a flyer, this whole blog and the comments are void of any tangible allegations or evidence of any alleged “dirty recruiting” by Drew. Posters couch their arguments in terms of “Barnes thinks this…” or “everyone knows that…”

But hey, if speculation makes you feel better, rock on…

“Didn’t Cedric Benson rape a white girl?”

If he didn’t, you may have libeled him. Good luck with that.

Yes, fire up the Barking Carnival time machine and write about all the recruitments he mentioned that happened before this site existed.

“It does nothing to refute the argument that UT’s football team has more felons than a Jay Z concert.”

Are there more than zero?

I think we as Baylor alums and fans have a right to be upset. All sports fans turn blind eyes to any moderate discretions. You as UT fans do the same. The article above is the same as a “hit piece” except for the fact that it lacks ANY journalistic credibility.

I am a journalist. And while I may not respect or agree with what, or the way, Thayer Evans writes, he is an accredited journalist. This site is a blog. And it drives me crazy when semi-articles like this are published. People feed on these websites because they only present half arguments. It’s no better than listening to CNN or Fox News.

Baylor, your players killed each other and your coach tried to cover it up. My suggestion is to crawl quietly back into your hole and let the grown ups talk.

Pass the popcorn, this is getting good.

Nothing like a bunch of pissed of Baptists.

Moron.

Can’t even spell “Patino” correctly.

The question that is begged in this whole discussion is whether Evans’ piece would have seen the light of day if Baylor hadn’t defeated the Bonghorns last week. Not to mention Scipio Tex’s latest blogging debacle.

The answer, my friend, is blowin’ in the wind…just like Barnes.

Why is it Baylor’s responsibility to prove that alleged cheating or wrongdoings DIDN’T happen?

Why do we just “trust” Rick Barnes. This is RB using negative recruiting techniques. He’s talking smack on Coach Drew’s recruiting style, which is acceptable apparently.

Also, you all are incredibly naive if you think Barnes, Self, Martin, Turgeon, and others aren’t sitting in recruits living rooms telling the kids momma and dad that Baylor is a bad program for their kid to go to because Drew can’t coach. You really think they’re sitting in there saying “Ya know, he’s a great guy. Great coach. Your son will do great there. But he’ll do better here.” Balderdash. Drew is the young guy in the conference, and therefore they want to keep him down. They know if Drew builds up a consistent program at Baylor, he will stay there for life. And guess what, Drew is young. And if he stays there for life, that’s a long freaking time.

Come back to me when Rick Barnes has evidence to say Drew is negatively recruiting or anything like that. If he did, he would be going to the NCAA’s about it. He’d be required to. And we all know the NCAA would hammer Baylor. Barnes has nothing on Drew, because Drew isn’t doing anything illegal!!!!

If Drew builds up a “consistent” program at Baylor, he’ll leave for a better job.

Odd that Baylor fans accuse Barnes of shenanigans re: Durant, et al, yet their university is the one that has been caught time and again. Darrell Johnson (academic fraud) and Dave Bliss (cash and other enticements/rewards, turning a blind eye to “rampant marijuana and alcohol use”, and, most unconscionably, instructing his players to smear a dead teammate’s reputation.

And we are to be lectured by this fanbase about “Book ’em,” “Bonghorns,” and Barnes’ “shady” recruiting practices? Hilarious.

Once again, the most religious seem to be the most hypocritical. Fine example you are setting for your brothers and sisters who have yet to come to know Jesus, poseurs.

Tell me Baylor fans, can you name one instance of shady recruiting rumors about Barnes? No, you can’t. Stop bringing up the football team, that has little to do with this. And besides, smoking weed is a little different than murder.

And yes, the only reason this was brought up is because y’all beat us. Congrats. You’re 1-24 against Barnes. Things are looking up!

why do longhorns and aggies assume everyone at baylor is a bible-thumping baptist? that’s the definition of ignorance.

i guess all horns are hippies and all aggies are farmers.

You can rest your loser fat ass that if Baylor wasn’t squeaky clean the NCAA, Big12, and the FBI would be all over them.

Its not often you get to see the predjudice and shinanigans of the elites stripped so naked as when the pecking order gets threatened a little bit as is the case with Baylor.

It’s just choice to see all these pukes who have benefitted constantly from crooked officiating, double standards by the NCAA, and the unadulterated promotion of those organizations and the media, whining about Scott Drew and little old Baylor. Simply choice.

Bighornfan32

If they weren’t looking up do you think Baylor and Drew would be getting so much attention?

Get used to it. On a level playing field, Baylor has so much more to offer recruits than UT. I don’t blame you for being worried.

So just to review:

1. Baylor fans think this article is some kind of conspiracy to squash all the momentum their program has recently gained by … well, by coming up short in a last ditch effort to salvage their disaster of a season. Clearly, if not for this hit piece from a largely discredited blogger, the coaching juggernaut that is Scott Drew would have had no trouble capitalizing on this incredible run and becoming our generation’s John Wooden. It’s a shame, really.

2. We have also been told that Texas players are a ruthless band of criminals who make the Crips look like girl scouts by comparison. Look, I will admit that we have had some issues. When I think about the DWIs, the marijuana arrests, and yes, thugs like Andre Jones and Robert Joseph, it really is sobering. But at the end of the day, when I step back and reflect on the matter, I guess I am just glad that none of our players have, you know, MURDERED ANY OF THEIR TEAMMATES! What was that about glass houses again?

Word to the wise Baylor fans – throwing stones can break those glass houses you speak of, but a bullet fired from a .357 will break it a hell of a lot faster, unless of course it is embedded in someone’s cerebellum. Morons.

“Get used to it. On a level playing field, Baylor has so much more to offer recruits than UT. I don’t blame you for being worried.”

Yeah, Waco sure is an exciting city live in, especially as a young person. Couple that with their rich winning tradition and you have a dynamite combination! What young urban black male wouldn’t want to go to Baylor?

And as for the case of Bliss,

Baylor or Dave Bliss didn’t kill anybody.

Bliss tried to cover it up. Shame on him.

It was the same predjudices that drove that story to maximize negative effect against Baylor that are driving this John Wall bull $hit.

You can all kiss my evangelical Bible thumping Baptist fat ass.

Those that don’t like your $hit kicking music, and like being closer to Dallas than hippie city.

Wake me up when Baylor actually accomplishes something of significance.

If their cheating, you sure in the hell couldn’t tell it.

“What young urban black male wouldn’t want to go to Baylor?”

John Wall, for one.

Since we have someone here who actually follows Baylor sports (it’s like finding the proverbial needle in the haystack, or an uncensored copy of “On the Origin of Species” in the Baylor library), can you give us an insider’s opinion on a couple of things:

1. What is the over/under on how long it will take Drew to fire that AAU coach once Wall signs with Memphis? I have the over/under at 3 weeks.

2. Is there any truth to the rumor that Darrell Arthur spurned you for Kansas because you tried to withhold 10% of his AAU coach’s payoff for tithing? If it’s true, then man, sometimes having principles can be a real bitch, huh?

Actually, longhornmatt, I signed a 2 year contract, so even if Scott Drew fired me, he’d have to pay me.

How do you like dem apples?

Those arrogant Whorns think they’re so uppity, they don’t have to play the game. I help keep these kids off the street. I help get them exposure on the basketball court. Getting a little sumthin’ sumthin’ doesn’t hurt anyone.

“They know if Drew builds up a consistent program at Baylor, he will stay there for life.”

Just like Billy Gillespie, except Baylor has far less resources

“On a level playing field, Baylor has so much more to offer recruits than UT.”

Earlier PT? That is all I can come up with.

I’m as clean as a whistle. I’m also very proud of the bachelor of science degree I earned at the prestigious Charter Oak State while coaching at Baylor. My Heritage Christian Academy high school program was known for its integrity. My proudest moment was when one of my players scored 101 points in a single game.

It disturbs me that anyone could think Scott Drew would have anything but the greatest integrity when it came to the hires he makes on his staff.

Only at Baylor could one meaningless victory translate into “we’re relevant and soon to be a threat”. LOL. I attended Baylor for one year in the late 1970’s. The motto for the sports teams then was “we’re relevant and soon to be a threat”. I’m reminded of the MASH episode where Frank Burns keeps yelling “I was popular and you can’t deny it!” Baylor is the Frank Burns of college sports.

1985, Jim Haller:
Violation Sumary: Improper financial aid and transportation; extra benefits; improper recruiting contacts and entertainment; unethical conduct; certification of compliance.

Penalty Summary: Maximum of 13 total grants for 1986-87 and 1987-88; maximum of two initial grants for 1986-87; show cause why more penalties should not be imposed if institution does not disassociate one representative from recruiting.

1995, Darrell Johnson:
Violation Sumary: UNETHICAL CONDUCT, ACADEMIC ELIGIBILITY: academic fraud in correspondence courses and receipt of financial aid by ineligible student-athletes. IMPERMISSIBLE RECRUITING: assistance with correspondence course materials; free lodging and meals provided to a prospective student-athlete’s friend. LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL by the head coach. UNETHICAL CONDUCT. SECONDARY VIOLATIONS. [REFLECTS CHANGES CONTAINED IN AMENDED REPORT ISSUED AFTER HEAD COACH’S APPEAL WAS REMANDED.]

Penalty Summary: Reduction from 13 to 11 grants for 1994-95 and from 13 to 10 for 1995-96; reduction from 12 to 9 official visits for 1994-95; reduction by one in the number of assistant coaches for 1994-95; recertification. [REFLECTS CHANGES CONTAINED IN AMENDED REPORT ISSUED AFTER HEAD COACH’S APPEAL WAS REMANDED.]

2005, Dave Bliss:
Violation Sumary: Impermissible benefits; impermissible inducements; impermissible financial assistance to prospective student-athletes; failing to follow procedures for reporting banned drug use; impermissible tryout; impermissible contact; unethical conduct for the former head coach and three former assistant coaches; academic fraud and lack of institutional control.

Penalty Summary: Public reprimand and censure; five years of probation; limitation of the men’s basketball schedule for one year to the number of games contained in the conference regular season; the number of contact days shall be decreased by five for each contact period beginning September 2004 through April 2007 (an addition of one year to the self-imposed penalty); scholarships reduction from 13 to nine for the 2004-05 and from 13 to 12 for the 2005-06 academic years (self-imposed by the university); the number of men’s basketball coaches permitted to recruit off-campus from three to two during the contact and evaluation periods of 2004-05, 2005-06 and 2006-07 academic years (the committee extended the reduction in off-campus recruiters for one year in addition to this self-imposed penalty); one game reduction in permissible exhibition games during the 2004-05 season (self-imposed by the university); show cause order for the former head coach (10 years), a seven-year show cause for one of the former assistant coaches and the other two former assistant coaches received a five-year show cause; annual compliance reporting.

It’s amazing that they wouldn’t try to be squeeky clean down there after 30 years of being the dirtiest program in the state.

Mike Yass
March 16, 2009 at 8:25 pm Why is it Baylor’s responsibility to prove that alleged cheating or wrongdoings DIDN’T happen?

Why do we just "trust" Rick Barnes. This is RB using negative recruiting techniques. He’s talking smack on Coach Drew’s recruiting style, which is acceptable apparently.

“Also, you all are incredibly naive if you think Barnes, Self, Martin, Turgeon, and others aren’t sitting in recruits living rooms telling the kids momma and dad that Baylor is a bad program for their kid to go to because Drew can’t coach.”

I don’t think that’s the first card. The first one is what they’ve accomplished and what they will do for the player.

Touch a nerve much, Scipio?

“Those that don’t like your $hit kicking music, and like being closer to Dallas than hippie city.”

Gold. You blew your cover. I hope at least.

Haha. UT whorns crying in the rain after being embarassed by the little bears. This is sooooo obvious it’s almost sad. What a pathetic bunch.

I am pathetic

He hurt me.

Hiring AAU coaches isn’t “a grey area”. It’s a common practice and perfectly legal. As mentioned above, Baylor has been in trouble and is on probation. The last thing they’re going to do is recruit illegally.

The only evidence of Scott Drew’s “dirty” recruiting is the aforementioned “which of these coaches has recruited a McDonald’s all-american” flier. Is that really a big deal? Is that dirty?

If there’s other evidence, please provide it.

It’s easy to just throw unsubstantiated stuff out there like:
-you can tell by the way the coaches shake Drew’s hand after the game that they hate him, and
-if you’re unaware of how most (or all) Big XII coaches perceive Drew then you are very uninformed

Just like it’s easy to throw out: “Obviously UT cheated to get Kevin Durant”

Lets be honest. Scott Drew would be insane to cheat given Baylor’s history, and the only evidence of “dirty” recruiting is the McDonald’s All-American flier.

[cue: oh yea, well I know a guy close to the program who heard Scott Drew say . . .]

You just knew this would be fun the minute it was posted. Let’s review our findings:

With some mild prodding, the creature “BaylorFan” responds by screeching, pounding his chest and throwing feces about. Can there be any doubt that we’ve discovered the Missing Link? Scipio you’ve done it again! I’ll contact Scientific American.

Interesting timing on this article. You’ve had the entire Big 12 season, but decided to run it only after Horns lose to Baylor.

Whose article is interesting?

Scipio is commenting on the NY Times piece. Blame Thayer Evans for poor timing, not Scipio.

Excellent point sl xpress. This article is keyed off of Thayer’s piece, which is of course based on Barnes’ comments. Barnes had all season to make these comments, yet decided to make them right after his team lost to Drew. Certainly not sour grapes. And certainly not aimed at smearing Drew for his own purposes.

It’s almost as if Scipio waited until after the Thayer Evans’ article to post this!

Excellent point Guns Up. Barnes had all season to make comments on Scott Drew, yet decided to make them right after he was asked about Scott Drew. Certainly not answering a question. And certainly not aimed at providing a response to a media member’s query.

Guns – the Thayer piece is dated 3/15.

What a yawner of a post. Zero substance.

The three reasons given?

1)“He consistently underachivers”. This is his firs year to underachieve. Last year was an overachievement. Considering the restrictions they wer under in years past, winning a game was a miracle.

2) “He plays the AAU game and negatively recruits” The other coaches hate him because he does the same thing they do? Baylor is negative recruited against all the time. Including in the media (hi Rick Barnes) and behind closed doors. And apparently paying AAU coaches to “speak” at summer camps is okay, but other actions aren’t. You are inconsistent and hypocritical.

3)“Because he is a Christian”. Is he the only coach who proffesses to be one? Pretty sure Barnes is a regular attender of LakeHills Church in Beecave.

So unless Skippy has something of substance to put out, its all just drivel.

The article that spurred this was written 2 days ago, Guns. The season started months ago.

i see why the baptists are scared of teaching evolution. it’s not clear that many of them have evolved beyond the retarded monkey stage.

Ok. I am just a dumb Techster trying to understand your superior Horn logic so bear with me:

March 13 – Baylor beats Texas 76-70
March 15 – Thayer writes his piece with quotes from Barnes basically calling Drew a dirty recruiter and a cheat.
March 16 – Scipio writes this piece piling on and comparing Drew to Dave Bliss, who is banned from coaching, and challenging the sincerity of Drew’s religious beliefs.

On March 2 and Jan. 27, UT played Baylor (and won both times). So Barnes had 2 other obvious chances to talk with the media about Drew this year … plus before the March 13 … plus Big 12 media day. And I am guessing he would have gotten those quotes printed pretty any other time he said them. Thayer could have asked Barnes about Drew pretty much any other time this year as well including the obvious dates listed above.

Yet this all came to a head AFTER Baylor beat Barnes’ Texas team in the Big 12 tournament?

Hello. We are the University of Texas. Actually we’re more like..the University of IndoChina. While our Motto is “We are Texas”, we’re actually more similar to the Far East…or one of those places where the people stink. Ooops. I better run. I’ve got to study for my Computer Science/Biology test. My family is poor so I had to go to Texas on a scholarship. I took it from a white kid who was more deserving. But, OH WELL! Hook’em horns!

Just too funny.

Practice followed by KU, A&M, Memphis, USC, countless others, with little to no reaction.

Baylor beats UT, and all of a sudden it’s on the tip of Barnes’ tongue. Not when it happened, mind you, and not on signing day – just right after UT loses to Baylor in the conference tournament.

Try to explain that coincidence away with as much verbiage as you can, but it is transparent as can be.

Guess Baylor can now go from getting pats on the head from UT fans for having beaten A&M to being reviled. I’d say that’s a step in the right direction.

Skippy is SO mean.

You’ve got to love the not so subtle racism of the Baylor fans on this thread. My advice to the Bear fans and their Agroid/Tech cheerleaders that are posting on this form would be to develop a sense of humor. And to enroll in whatever logic and creative writing courses (should they actually exist) that are offered at Harvard on the Brazos, as you are parrying with people whose command of both subjects is far greater than yours.

Slob

As the only classes I could take at Tech were of obviously inferior quality to UT (or Austin Community College, Texas State or whatever school the tshirt fans attended, if any), I am begging you — Please explain how the timing of this isn’t transparent sour grapes by Barnes and his unblinking and unthinking minions?

1. I don’t know when he got the quotes, but my guess is Evans wrote the piece this weekend, because for the first time all year Baylor was somewhat relevant nationally.

2. More importantly, is this really the first all of you are hearing about Drew being universally disliked in the coaching profession? I know Texas is a football state, but that is beyond shocking.

This is from the summer of 2006.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/9612400/1

This thread has been moved to a Baptist church in Carrollton.

slobhorn…there’s your problem: You assume a UT hater (that did make a racial insensitive post) was a Baylor fan, when there are as many horn-haters posting here from other schools.

About at lame as your inconsistent application of outrage based on the NYT article, and Barnes’ negative recruiting documented in said article.

Logic and creative writing courses? It’s the Horn posters that haven’t grasped simple concepts such as they’re and their.

After reviewing the succinct and balanced opinions from the clear-thinking fans from around the Big 12 that were kind enough to chime in here, I think it’s time we re-examine Scipio’s credentials as a journalist.

Let’s just hope these ad-hoc conclusions don’t become the norm.

Clearly there is a higher standard around here and these untruths that keep surfacing repeatedly about Scott Drew being a lying, cheating, penis-head of a coach just don’t pass scrutiny.

Internet fans – 1
Barnes, Scipio, & UT – 0

Hippo

Baylor was in the top 25 several weeks earlier in the year. I would think that would be “somewhat relevant nationally.” And as you point out in your other post, this issue was floating around, although with largely unattributed sources. So why didn’t Thayer or anyone else call Barnes and say “Hey, what do you think of Drew and his recruiting?” And presumably Barnes would have said the same thing. But that’s not what happened. Barnes went off on Drew after his first loss to him — a painful one at that — which tells me he’s a small man of little character.

And FWIW, Leach is fairly disliked in the coaching profession. I don’t give a shit and neither does he. Coaches aren’t coaching to be liked by other coaches.

“yet he projects a personna that suggests that he’s a young Rick Pitino”

That’s some solid criticism, there.

Yes Hippo, the Big XII Tourney run was the first time BU has been “somewhat relevant” all year. Good call, considering we were ranked in the polls for the majority of the non conference slate.

Do you follow college hoops at all?

So Guns, what you’re saying is that since Evans or anyone else didn’t call Barnes while Baylor was in the top 25 earlier in the year, that is somehow Barnes fault? Maybe Barnes should have called Evans back in December and said “hey, I have a feeling you’re going to want to write an article on Baylor in March and will want my input; why don’t we just do that now?”

Utah State is currently ranked in the middle of the most important month of college basketball. and yet, they are largely irrelevant. Beat Marquette Friday and that will change, but I digress.

And you’re right, Baylor was ranked for a couple solid weeks. Hell, they even had a few wins of note (ASU, Providence). Even more impressive, they were on the WWL in sports a couple of times early on, albeit with start times around midnight.

I guess our definitions of relevant are just a tad different.

Wow. And we thought Drew’s only problem was being a crappy coach:

http://newsok.com/big-12-baylor-bears-have-risen-from-a-deep-sleep/article/3353391

“Baylor is an opposing team’s nightmare. It’s a team you should beat because the Bears frequently help you do it.

Pardon the bluntness, but BU is widely considered the worst-coached team in the league.

Baylor coach Scott Drew often carries note cards in his hands during games, though it is uncertain exactly why.

The Bears recently have relied on a 2-3 zone defense. Their players shoot when they’re open, and sometimes when they’re not.

That about covers it. Who needs note cards for that?"

Thx for the update.

Texas even giving Baylor any relevance in basketball is the equivalent of A&M becoming a “rival” of Baylor’s in football.

“Yes Hippo, the Big XII Tourney run was the first time BU has been "somewhat relevant" all year. Good call, considering we were ranked in the polls for the majority of the non conference slate. Do you follow college hoops at all?”

yeah, so there! fightin baptists coming out of all the holes on this one…Good job skip.

Riveting retort WTF. So to clarify, UT fans think that being ranked is not deemed “somewhat relative.” Now we know who we’re dealing with.

Someone padlock the door, we got another Texas State/UT t-shirt fan on our hands.

From an unbiased Aggie point of view, a worse crime of BU’s which is over and above Drew’s recruiting tatics and his lack of coaching acumen is Baylor’s historically consistent butt ugly cheerleaders. And this violation of socially appropriate aesthetics would be one which is much, much more relevant to the average joe fan, like me. I’m all for the NCAA mandating boob jobs and plastic surgery to end Baylor’s run of criminally butt ugly cheerleaders. They, as a group, have been an eyesore for the entire Big12 long before Drew came to Baylor and long before anyone was murdered, got paid, or whatever. Hey, I do not have to personally witness the under the table money and the questionable hirings, so I don’t much care about all that, but, unfortunately, I and the rest of the Big12 can’t avoid seeing Baylor’s butt ugly cheerleaders whenever they come out on T.V. Does being a southern fundamentalism also have to mean that your daugthers end up growing up with butt ugly faces, flat, non-descript asses, and thighs like KFC drumsticks?

These look a little better than the aggy milkmen.

Some would say that being relevant is consistently making the NCAA Tournament.

I hate the sleazy AAU angle on recruiting, but it is perfectly legal. And I think A&M only did it with DeAndre Jordan (and the coach who did that has left).

Damn, NCAA basketball is so sleazy – I wonder why the NCAA doesn’t tighten it….. oh, wait a second. Nevermind.

Telling Thayer Evans to go get bent is like, so last week.

http://www.windmilltilting.com/ponderos/mentioning-the-unmentionable

btw, if Ripley’s reading … the Baylor Ursine Sepulcher blog would be on FIRE right now. Make it so!

Being ranked before your conference schedule begins is irrelevant. Unless you’re in the top 10 that early, who gives a shit? Sure, it was notable, given how pitiful BU’s historical basketball “reputation,” cute even. As usual, the team was a dumpster fire by mid January.

Those are not the cheerleaders reminscent of dinosaurs that I regularly see on sidelines at the Baylor B-Ball games that come on T.V. And no, it is a close call between those butt ugly cheerleaders in skimpy skirts and farmer milkmen in overalls. Now if those farmer milkmen wore skimpy skirts, jumped up and down, and didn’t shave their legs, then, yes, I would have to agree with you, but only under those circumstances.

In case you people don’t know, we realize the Yell Leaders are guys – the men’s clothing and short haircuts are dead giveaways. We never said they were attractive. Duh.

Ag_in_Tx – That doesn’t make your school any more desirable. I know that you know they are men. I still want to know why you have men in overalls flashing gang signs, instead of a covey of hot ass for me to crush.

Tyler is still my favorite.

“Being ranked before your conference schedule begins is irrelevant.”

That’s the point I was trying to make but I think it flew over Dalbears cute head. Wow, ranked before conference, no way!? You are relevant, my mistake; since when did the bears start using aggy terms such as “T shirt fan”. I guess since they passed them in football. great, here we go….

Ag_in_Tx,

Understand why they have the leave it to beaver hair cuts and the white coveralls, but why are they always squeezing their balls?

Hey, I got arrested when I was seen touching myself in public and there were just 6 other guys in the theatre.

Yeah, who would be stupid enough to waste time discussing mid-season rankings.

http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/trips-right/college-basketball-blogpoll-barking-carnival-ballot

http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/trips-right/college-hoops-blogpoll

Or preseasan rankings.

http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/trips-right/basketballa-quick-look-at-the-top-10

http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/trips-right/my-pal-vitale-ranks-texas-5

And especially where you would be ranked preseason if something that isn’t going to happen did magically happen.

http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/trips-right/texas-basketball-preseason-number-1

Yeah, who would waste time discussing mid-season rankings

http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/trips-right/college-basketball-blogpoll-barking-carnival-ballot

http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/trips-right/college-hoops-blogpoll

Or preseason rankings

http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/trips-right/basketballa-quick-look-at-the-top-10

http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/trips-right/my-pal-vitale-ranks-texas-5

Or (my personal fav) where you would be ranked preseason if something that wasn’t going to happen magically did happen.

http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/trips-right/texas-basketball-preseason-number-1

Shag:
You DID NOT go the cheerleader route did you?
Take heed, the Baptist Bear is angry this St Paddy’s Day and ironically, in the spirit of Darwin, is looking to thin the herd..
Put down the sheep and run swiftly unkempt aggy..

Ags and Whorns going down on each other in an attempt to smear Baylor. Drew must be doing something right.

That’s below the belt Guns. Longhorn Nation continues to mourn the loss of DJ, and you know this, man.

Congrats, Baylor fans! It is times like this when our faith in the Lord is confirmed. Speaking of the Lord, I’ve got a great opportunity I’d like to share with all Bears fans.

Are you ready for the rapture? Do you have friends at A&M or Tech who aren’t? Then you should visit this site…

You’ve Been Left Behind

$40/yr is a small price to pay to save a soul.

Sic ’em!

Sorry, Ump. Heat of the moment.

If it makes you feel any better, Denver is about to have to trade Cutler, forcing them to rely on Chris Simms for the season. Surely a little schadenfreude gets me less time in the box?

I have considered your request, and have decided to cut your time in the box in half. However, you must share the box with Tyler.

“Understand why they have the leave it to beaver hair cuts and the white coveralls, but why are they always squeezing their balls?”

That is an experiential phenomena which is a fancy way of saying – you kinda gotta be there.

Fuck that Ag. No way I would put my balls in a vise for my school. Hope you have plenty of ice and ibuprofen on hand with that great defense Kines will roll out in ’09.

I didn’t say you have to squeeze them very hard.

That isn’t what you told me last night Ag.

Shouldn’t all of these Baylor fans be off torturing cats? I mean it is Baseball season.

misterloki

No time dude. We’ve been doing shots with Auggie.

touche

Guns Up- I laughed. Well played.

One of our guys beat the Aggies by himself in the second half. That does not say much for the aggies.

so the tech guy is sticking up for Baylor? is that what is happening here?

universal truths:

tech’s best football season EVAR = cotton bowl embarassment

baylor’s basketball relevance = NIT bid the year after being one and done in the big tourney

Eric,

When did this rape take place? Since you know about it and feel comfortable stating he got away with it please provide details.

So how does what Ricky did in the NFL concern his time in Austin? I am a bit confused here how that would correlate to one Baylor basketball player killing another and then the head coach trying to cover it up. I might not be very smart as I did go to a state go with entrance requirements versus a private school that requires dad to scratch out a check, but how are these the same?

Okay, his Mom paid for it I guess.

So if countless kids are kicked off the team year in and year out who was this year? I won’t try to make you recall the “countless” ones in the past few years but who was this year?

Please tell me when three consecutive coaches have had their programs placed on probation. Please tell me when a staff meeting is sued for his role in the death of a former athlete. The only thing I can come close to what happen to the Baylor basketball program under Bliss was when Jerry Parks shot Zarek Peters at OU.

3 violations in 30 years makes us the dirtiest program in the state?
We have been the cleanest program in the Big 12 since the incident and we were before the incident.
Henry Dugat and CJ both said Barnes trash talked BU non stop.
That is why he chose BU.
Aaron Bruce chose BU over UCLA and Arizona because he was sold on the sincerity of Scott Drew.
But I guess the fans know more about what goes on than the players, huh?

Atticus told me Cedric didn’t rape that white woman. That the truth would be told in court.

Incident? Incident? When one of your players kills another player and the head coach who recruited them tries to cover the thing up I do believe you have a little bit more than an incident. As far as the cleanest program before it how the fuck is that possible if you have a player killing another in the first damn place and all the other crap Bliss pulled as well?

As far as the 30 years comment, it isn’t just 3 violations. It is two deaths of Baylor basketball players in which one member of the athletic staff was involved with and then with the the other staff covered up. Now I might be a fan and really don’t know as much as a player so a death ever couple of decades or so really isn’t so bad compared to what goes on with other programs I guess.

Shoot all the bluejays and aggies you want, if you can hit ‘em, but remember it’s a sin to kill a teammate..

“Atticus told me Cedric didn’t rape that white woman. That the truth would be told in court.”

Mr Atticus say that in court he gonna throw two dimebags at Cedric and Cedric’ll only be able to catch one because of his gimp hand he got caught in a cotton gin out in Midland while queerin’ off with Dill. Dill made up fors it though by growsin up, changin’ his name to Truman, and writin’ a story called ‘In Cold Bloods’.

Hey, Bears, I know I am in the minority around here, but I don’t feel the need to look negatively on your University or its athletic department just because one player happen to shoot and kill another player within the past decade or so. I know, I know, it is simply guilt by association and the other schools like to rub this unfortunate incident in y’all’s faces whenever your team beats them and they get pissy about it. What you all are attempting to relate in the plethora of the above comments is that the infamous incident or its like could have happened anywhere and at any university in America, and I happen to agree with you all. And so, don’t fret or fume, you guys can rest easy knowing that at least one poster around here agrees with you all and acknowledges your points. And I also happen to be just about the most rational poster around here, so you all are in good company as far as that is concerned.

One thing though, you all really need to get Drew to hire a coach who knows defense, cause some of the comments about that do not seem to be that far off the mark. If your team played defense, they could really be force in the B12. That seems to be the only thing holding you all back. For God’s sake, hire Drew some help from someone who actually knows something about the defensive side of the ball, cause he sure seems to be lost with regard to it.

sag agg,
Go climb trees with the bears, fuck farm animals with your relatives or what ever you do for entertainment.. Just please go the fuck away.
You’re like the little trouble making, smart ass kid in jr high that everybody is already tired of pummeling. There are probably like three people on a West Virginia board right now that will think you’re the Grand Poobah of sheep fuckers. Give it a try. They’ll be enlightened and we’ll be relieved…

Whenever I need to remind myself about our fine Baylor breathern, I just watch The Baptism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vfAw9OQG-s

It feels so good to have so many fans of lesser institutions seeking out and responding to the opinions expressed on a site focusing on The University of Texas at Austin. Thank you, all of you, for confirming what we Lognorns already know. Yes, it is good to be the king. You folks realize that you are perfectly free to initiate such sites for fans of your institutions, right? I doubt anyone will know they exist unless you post on a UT affiliated site and tell them, but we can’t help that. Funny how a Longhorn blog response to a NYT article written by a known tool results in such hard feelings. That nerve sure is tender.

It is so cute how you guys show up and express your little opinions, and talk like the big people. But you best get back to your cubicles. And be sure to toss around words like “rape” indiscriminately.

Nice win over Georgetown on national TV before a packed house. Way to go Bears!

A road trip to a very tough VA Tech team awaits. Time for a breakdown of the game from a Horns perspective.

BU is now the last Texas team playing in the postseason. Very nice road win against a good VT team, 84-66. Next up is a trip to 1 seed Auburn.

And if they win the NIT, they’ll be the 65th best team in the nation!

I’ll take NIT Final Four and wins over Georgetown, @ VT, and @ Auburn and going to NYC and Madison Square Garden, thanks!

…Oh and we’re better than Texas as of now! Sup!

chance to be #65 >>> top 32

Georgetown is the best team in the Big East!

/if you don’t count the 10 teams that finished ahead of them

Virginia Tech is no one to laugh at!

/unless you play for one of the 15 teams who beat them

Auburn has a basketball team?

HJ,

Technically they’ll be the 66th best team in the country. The NCAA tournament starts with 65 teams because of the play-in game.

The NIT is big time. I saw where they had 6,500 in attendance at BU/Auburn.

Let’s be kind to our friends on the Brazos. It’s been 59 years since they won a postseason game. 59 years I say.

I heard Baylor is interested Micahael Jordan’s son-Marcus Jordan(I think)2009 prospect.

Didn’t Baylor hire one of Prospect John Wall’s AAU coaches and they still probably won’t land him?

Does Baylor have in roads with Texas AAU teams?

Well Taylor, our home game against Georgetown was packed before a deafening crowd. It’s tough to get those East coast schools to play a game in Texas. Drew had been trying to schedule a home and home with those guys for some time.

They listed attendance for our game at 8400, but it was way higher since they weren’t scanning student tickets. The Auburn and VT crowds looked much larger than the listed attendance, so the discrepancy lies in student tickets.

Speaking of underachieving…will the “great” coach Rick Barnes ever win any tournament?

I think creating a Top 10 program suffices.

…and memphis does BC the favor of confirming this entire post:

Memphis Tigers’ search targets Baylor coach Scott Drew

cw:
 
Thanks for that link. I find it amusing that all of this stuff is news to many Baylor fans. Drew is absolutely reviled by his peers.
 
I guess a coveted NIT bid makes up for a lot.

It’s also possible that an out-of-the-box name is still in play. FedEx vice president Alan Graf, who is working on behalf of the search committee, said Wednesday that Memphis has the capability to make a "wow hire."

Outstanding.

This is awesome

If there is an NCAA violation, bring it…if not shut it. Big 12 coaches are just mad because they are getting outworked in recruiting. And by the way…who is still in the tournament this year? Oh, that’s right…Baylor and Kansas State. I don’t see Texas or Kansas there.

Texas fans are the biggest whiners in the country. Boo hoo. Win, Win, Win. Every year. And when someone becomes something other than a W for you, you cry foul. Grow up crybabies.

What Boo Hoo said.

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