2009 Media Preseason Big 12 Team

I guess Kendall Hunter is blocking for Demarco Murray out of the I-Formation.
Wouldn’t it be fun and creative if different media outlets picked pre-season teams that made sense and then argued about which team would beat which? But I guess that would involve the writers knowing anything.

My only critiques of the team were the 2 WR/2 RB alignment, which you so validly point out; having the Baylor safety ahead of numerous better players (ditto); and the inclusion of Chris Hall. To be fair, I have not run through other teams’ candidates at center, but I’d rank Chris third or even fourth among the Horns’ offensive linemen.

These things ALWAYS include too many seniors and two- and three-year returning starters. Think UT probably deserved about 4 spots (I’d have Hunter Lawrence as my PK); OU has too many picks (I’d replace Murray with a WR and either Franks or Beal).

Does Oklahoma State even have a second-team all-conference candidate on defense? And folks are ranking the Cowboys in the Top 10?

I’d make sure my vote coordinate with NCAA Fball 10.

KSU CB #4 – 95 ovr rating (!)

WB Heaven:
 
That’s Josh Moore, who is actually good.

Is there somewhere you can find the NCAA player rankings?

Agree on Stuckey—he’s probably the biggest difference maker in the conference this year.

Parlin,

Think of it this way: What two guys would you least want to face?

That would be Kindle on defense and McCoy on offense.

Chris Hall can play any position on the line. That’s important. It wouldn’t be for other players, but the reason Hall is rated so high, is because he can do it simultaneously.

I’m also very glad David Snow is relegated to being a back up, because of the two of them, Hall has bled more for the program, and that’s almost as important as the fact he can play multiple offensive line positions on any given snap.

Ulatoski is a nice offensive tackle, but the amount of national and conference kudos he earns is absurd.

Gerry Hamilton had man sex with Weatherspoon before Spoon’s senior year of high school. To this day little hearts flutter about Hamilton like some cartoon character any time he talks about Weatherspoon. As far as I’m concerned, the guy can’t graduate fast enough for that very reason, and I’m irrationally hoping for him to fall on his ass regarding an NFL career so I don’t have to hear any more about it.

“Travis Lewis is another proof of OU’s ability to coach and develop the LB position.”

Interested what you base this assertion on. He’s a very good athlete, which can overcome to some extent a lack of technique and coaching. When I watched him in the OU game, he did make tackles in space, which is as much about athletic ability as coaching, but he also got taken completely out of plays by the likes of Chris Hall on both of Ogbonnaya’s long runs.

So what would the guy who replaced Ryan Reynolds in that game be an example of? OU’s inability to coach and develop the LB position?

I think I would change wording from “coach and develop” to “recruit”. Wort is the next example of this.

Preseason media all-big12 teams serve one very important purpose: determining which linemen will be on the postseason all-big12 team.

Augie is correct…

Tillman Holloway. Chris Messner. There just has to be a federal law mandating that a minimum of one (1) OU or UT offensive lineman be selected pre/postseason all-conf.

Vash—

Watching Stuckey take over the Missouri game last year left me feeling that he’s the top defensive talent in the conference. We could ask Gene Claude @ Atomic Teeth for his opinion on this one.

It’s actually hard for me to rank Kindle over Suh, as the latter played on a squad without talent (and was doubled most of the time). This season will offer better grounds for comparison—should be fun to watch.

No argument on Colt.

Stuckey is a stud. I’d take him in a second so we’re splitting hairs in a sense.

But how hard was it to take over a Mizzou game last year? They got flattened by the few good teams they faced. We were up 35-0 at half.

As Scipio mentioned, this is predictive and not regressive.

IMO Kindle will be the most dominant defender in the league. And by dominant I mean HenryJames going undefeated in ultimate frisbee at the IF fields all six years in college.

“And by dominant I mean HenryJames going undefeated in ultimate frisbee at the IF fields all six years in college.”

I can’t touch this.

I’m also very glad David Snow is relegated to being a back up, because of the two of them, Hall has bled more for the program, and that’s almost as important as the fact he can play multiple offensive line positions on any given snap.

I sometimes wish more of our younger players were hemophiliacs.

Yeah add Josh Moore to that list, too bad his coach is older than Walt Disney, otherwise people might actually know his name.

Cant wait for the brutal and hilarious team by team previews this year!

The more I think about the season Colt had with the talent around him I not only think he should have won that trophy, but it was the single greatest season by any Texas quarterback.

Captain Obvious and others, how is it that UT fans constantly gloat about out-recruiting OU, but then all of the sudden Colt didn’t have any talent around him???

The “Buck”, I would imagine my reference point for Colt would be the seasons other Texas quarterbacks, but I guess you know something I don’t when I typed the post.

Just to humor you and provide and example the 2005 team had 4 offensive linemen that either start, play, or are on NFL rosters, an NFL receiver and tight end, 2 running backs in the NFL, and a great talent (but major shithead) in Ramonce Taylor. I would find it hard to believe the even Bill Little himself could spin such a yarn that makes the offensive talent in 2008 anywhere near equal to the 2005 club.

Then again you might want him to so you wouldn’t have to explain how the fuck Texas ran for 161 yards against OU last year with a converted wide receiver at runningback.

C’mon Captain Obvious don’t you already know the answer to that? Reynolds was hurt.

Why did ou lose in ’06 to a redshirt freshman? Reynolds was hurt.

The ass whipping in ’05? Reynolds.

The fact that Bob Stoops has lost 3 out of the last 4 games against Mack Brown? R-e-y-n-o-l-d-s.

And you know it’s true because only us Longhorn fans make excuses about losses.

The ass whipping in 2005? Well, the sun shines on a dog’s ass at some point. All you needed was the worst OU team since 1999.

2006? Paul Thompson is a GREAT guy, and he did a great thing for OU taking over the reins at QB on short notice. But he was the UT defensive MVP in that game.

2007? See 2005 but with the parties reversed.

2008? Reynolds was the symptom, not the disease. We had a RFr. at WLB, a converted safety at SLB, and a MLB with knees about as weak as Sergio Kindle’s alibi. Apparently, this is a good time to make sure that Reynolds’ backup is WHOLLY unprepared to do jack shit. Thanks, Brent.

Are you suggesting that 07 game was comparable to the whipping the sooners got in ‘05? Cause there’s no comparison. In ’05 OU was run over by maybe one of the five greatest teams of all time. Texas had their way with OU all day that day. In ’07 I actually thought Texas acquitted themselves quite well, despite being the less talented squad, and felt they were a Jamal Charles fumble away from taking that game.

I’m so confused as to how you can A) brag about 3 of 4 for Mack when it’s also 6 of the last 9 for Bob and B) you really want to call 45-12 an “ass whipping” after 2000 and 2003?

………..really?

I suspect you are confused a lot of the time.

Let’s move on. This ain’t about Texas / OU 2002, you old pattern recognition savant, you.

The post is about the media and their take on the best players. From here on out, all of you must bring us some fucking informed opinions about the best players in the league or don’t waste the keystrokes.

Last time Baylor had more all-conference guys than Tceh and a&m combined …

anybody?

“Looks like a no brainer to me” -

Actually this guy looks like a no-brainer.

Robert Griffin? Really? I mean I think he’s going to be great before he graduates but, ahead of even Bradford? Really?

Wow. Just. Wow.

And I think Muck’s got a better than 50/50 shot at making all confrence at the end of the season.

The only rule was that we couldn’t vote for the team we covered, so I couldn’t vote for any Aggies.

The only rule was that we couldn’t vote for the team we covered, so I couldn’t vote for any Aggies.
 
 
Oh, THAT’s why.

“you really want to call 45-12 an "ass whipping" after 2000 and 2003?”

We weren’t exactly doing our best to run up the score that year like OU did the other two…passing in the fourth quarter and all. Dude the game could have been 80-12…

Sadly, the moronic use of “really” as an internet comeback hasn’t gone the way of the dodo.

Anyway, I believe Weatherspoon’s a bit overrated, although that’s only because he didn’t look all that great against Texas last year. And I don’t know who’d I’d replace him with, but nevertheless I don’t think that’s as clear a choice as Pawelek and Lewis.

Interesting back & forth on Chris Hall. Gil Brandt has him rated the #1 senior center this year. Ideal size for an interior lineman can’t hurt, nor can the fact that he can move to guard.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8112f2a3&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Brandt has Shipley @ #4 WR (the list doesn’t include JRs or below, so it makes sense), Colt @ #2 behind Tebow, and surprisingly Lamarr Houston slips in at DT.