A Quick Look At Vince's Progress

Don’t forget Cutler got drafted by team that had been to the playoffs three of the previous four years including 2005 (they got the 11th pick in a trade). Plummer had them on the path to a playoff birth in ‘06 but was starting to slide so in comes Cutler. The team was still in the driver’s seat for a playoff birth but Cutler couldn’t beat a weak SF team to get his team into the playoffs (he was 2-3 in ’06 as a starter)…reminiscent of his inability to beat a weak Middle Tennessee State team the year before to get his team a long-awaited bowl game.

Cutler has had all the best cards dealt to him but he has consistently failed to deliver. He took a perennial playoff team in Denver down a notch and cost Shanahan his job. He is not a winner. He has gun, but he doesn’t have the leadership. He would be Jeff George except for the fact that he has generally played for good or decent teams, while George always seemed to get the call from teams scraping at the bottom of the barrel.

Young wins games. Period. That’s what he’s always been about. And now he’s doing it pretty to shut up all the talking heads at ESPN who are in a full scale backpedal.

Cutler is a whiny baby, but last season was not his fault. Their defense was as embarassing as Texas’ OL this year.

I have nothing against Cutler. I think he is an example of what happens when a player goes from a good sytem to a bad system. Remember, last year Orton was the boob.

If you look deeper at Cutler, you see a guy who commits the costly turnover more times then not, when he has a chance to win. Young is the opposite. He plays awful sometimes, only to turn it around at the crucial point of a ball game. I did a similar comparison to Rodgers before the season. Young first season, he had the ball in his hands at the end of the game with a chance to win 6 times, and went 4-2. f the two losses, one he drove the team 60+ yards to the 20 against the Ravens, only to have the winning kick blocked. The other loss, was an incomplete pass against the Colts earlier in the year.

 Rogers also had the ball with a chance to win his first year 6 times. He went 0-6.

Some guys just don’t show up at the end of games. Cutler is showing right now, what we all saw at Vandy. He does not improve a team.

Young also has much better weapons this year in Britt and Washington. Those guys make Gage and the TEs into credible threats.

I don’t know who Cutler has that is worth a damn… Knox is probably a practice squader on most NFL teams, Bennett about the same, and Devin Hester is a brilliant return man as a WR.

Young has definitely proved people wrong that he can’t throw a deep ball accurately. Frankly, I think from a skills perspective he and Cutler are a wash, but VY doesn’t pout anymore and Cutler is getting worse.

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Young P.R. Att Comp Yds TD Int R Yds Ave TDs S YL Every Int & Sacks Every Yds/Play Career 73.84 985 571 6583 32 36 231 1217 5.27 11 61 334 17.15 97 10.78 5.85 Last 16 87.49 407 260 3163 16 13 83 420 5.06 2 20 116 21.35 33 12.94 6.80 Cutler Career 82.53 1704 1056 12141 73 62 149 581 3.90 4 82 488 21.78 144 12.40 6.32 Last 16 71.52 578 352 3792 20 28 46 192 4.17 3 32 189 19.06 60 10.17 5.79 Leinart Career 72.18 574 327 3797 14 18 43 93 2.16 2 29 212 20.79 47 12.83 5.69

I think one thing people tend to forget is that both Leinart and Cutler had far and away more talent to work with than Vince.

Vince went to play for a guy in Fisher who supposedly didn’t even want him in the first place. Norm Chow was never able to hack it as an NFL OC and McNair and Volek both publicly said they hated his offense. The Fisher led Titans just LOVED running the ball and kicking field goals. They had little receiving talent on that team when Vince showed up in 2006.

After Vince’s amazing rookie season, the Titans promptly let Travis Henry, Drew Bennett, and Bobby Wade walk. In return, Vince got Justin Gage, Roydell Williams, Brandon Jacobs, and an overweight LenDale White. In other words, a nice big steaming pile of shit.

Of COURSE he was going to struggle. As Godlike as Vince can be out there on the field, even he can’t work miracles that big. Well, I do suppose it could be considered a miracle to have led that team to 10 wins and the playoffs in the toughest division in the entire league that year. Yet he got no credit for it. He also didn’t get any credit for improving his yardage, completion percentage, yards per completion, etc.; all while being hurt for the large majority of the year.

Meanwhile, Leinart has two superstars in Fitzgerald and Boldin along with Edge in the backfield. Cutler took over a team that had gone to the AFC Championship the year before and he had phenomenal guys like Brandon Marshall, Brandon Stokeley, and Eddie Royal to throw to along with that “insert random RB and immediately gain 1000 yards” run game.

It’s just amazing how many people were so quick to write Vince off. I can understand not having complete faith in the guy after 9 TDs to 17 INTs and then his 2008 meltdown after his injury or whatever. Still, a bunch of ‘tards immediately started acting like he was never any good to begin with and that he had lost all his athletic ability, blah blah blah. Fuckin’ Tennessee Titans fans were the worst. Those dumb rednecks replayed the “We want Neil O’Donnell over McNair!” shit like they never even remembered how that played out before.

Vince got dealt to a shitty team with a shitty coach with shitty talent. I think he’s done pretty well just by surviving. Now that the Titans finally have some skill players worth a shit (receiving corps still isn’t anything to write home about) and Fisher can’t fuck Vince over at every chance, he’s back into God mode. Surprise, surprise.

After making two road trips to California and watching Vince dominant two Rose Bowls, I learned to never doubt that man or his ability to take over and dominate regardless of the situation. I’m surprised that everyone else either didn’t learn or forgot that lesson.

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Cutler is a major douche. If you don’t believe me, I’m pretty sure you could find his post game comments after the UF game in his last year and verify for yourself.

I believe he said that almost beating Florida was “amazing.” Whatever.

Listen, as far as Vince goes I will admit to some vagina rubbing in private. From what I saw, you had a QB that relied upon his mobility being told to be Tom Brady. I wasn’t sure I could even hope on that changing. On top of that, Vince was no longer an 18yo 6-5 200lb deer.

Its not that I didn’t think he had all the talent in the world, but as I’ve said before in Vince the Titans bought a Porsche to go camping in. I’m elated that at least some realized what they had, and that C Johnson turned out to be simply amazing. The end result is a pick your poison that is difficult to survive.

Cutler’s body language in losses this year has been horrendous.

To be fair to Cutler, the Bears line lost three starters in the offseason and has been absolutely horrible this year. Forte went from 4.9 ypc to about 3.1 this year as a result. Their playcalling has been ludicrously predictable this year too – first down run up the middle for 1 yard. Second down run off tackle for -2 yards. Third down pass – either incomplete or intercepted after Cutler gets less than two seconds in the pocket. Punt.

I know all this because I was dumb enough to take Forte with the #4 overall pick in my fantasy draft this year.

Still, Leinart is getting more tail than the other two combined. And that’s his top priority, so he wins!

What the hell is wrong with Limas?

Same thing that’s wrong with Roy Williams. He can’t catch.

Old Bastard – that’s what I would like to know.

This thread is very full of win. As is Vince.

And I want to take this opportunity to tell all of you who kicked him when he was down to impolitely go fuck yourselves. You know who you are. Those of you who smugly laughed at him when he said he’d be the next black QB to win the Super Bowl and that he would go to the Hall of Fame. Those of you who felt embarrassed of him and took Fisher’s version of events last year as the gospel truth. Those of you who questioned his maturity and ability and basically every other thing you could about him. Those of you who preferred Cutler. Fuck you very much in your neck. Merry Christmas.

Vince Young. Forever. Unconditionally.

Vince’s studliness as a QB aside, I think everybody has forgotten to address the issue of coaching; most especially OL coaching and offensive coaching in general.

Leinart may have had Boldin, Fitz, and Edge (cough, a past his prime Edge) on his side, but can you think of a Cardinals team that has ever really protected their QB and had a good running scheme at the same time? Their line is average in how they play. That may have turned around a bit over the last two seasons, but it was too late to help Leinart.

Personally I couldn’t give two squirts of piss about Leinart, but the pass protection and play calling were pathetic when I watched him play for ’zona.

Cutler has gone where QBs go to watch their careers die and Fisher was grabbed by the nutsack and told forcefully to start the guy they’re paying all that money. And the situation has unfurled predictably in both cases.

Meanwhile, Ricky continues to impress the hell out of me. Cedric, in spite of a decent season? Not so much. It all goes to show that in the NFL where (forced) parity rules, anything can happen.

In any case, Go Vince. I’m rooting for you all the way.

The difference being, Mike, that the sports media didn’t go out of their way to fuck Leinart over and call him out every chance they got. They didn’t rationally look at Cutler’s play/problems and speak up about how he was/is a choker, a horrid red-zone passer, a loser, and a whiny cunt.

However, they sure didn’t have any qualms about bashing Vince every chance they got and acting like he was never any good and would never amount to shit. All the while conveniently ignoring how shitty Vince’s receiving help, coaching, and run game were there in Tennessee.

It’s the double standards I don’t like. Along with individuals for some reason feeling like they need to go overboard on the Vince hate. I don’t mind criticism of Vince’s play, but it’s ridiculous that Vince has guys like Merrill Hoge calling him the “initial dismantling of an organization” before he ever takes a snap in the NFL while Leinart and Cutler get/got pass after pass after pass.

Good post, Spiral. Vince elicits passion on both sides of the debate.

SpiralOut,

To begin with, you and I are so “here” when it comes to Vince.

And as for why the media went so far overboard with him, I’m inclined to believe the whispers out there that they may have had a certain Head Coach feeding them negative info about Vince.

Maybe that’s too Alex Jonesy. Or whatever that conspiracy guy’s name is.

But I think the media would feel much more emboldened to lay it on thick if they were hearing things from the guy’s own coach.

Is it really so hard to imagine Peter King rubbing his cooter on the phone with Jeff Fisher while Fisher did Vince dirt left and right?

I am such a total Mama Bear about Vince. And damned proud of it. I am Leigh Ann Tuohy meets a cornered rat when it comes to Vince.