Muschamp isn't going to Tennessee

Visiting Orangebloods yesterday was like watching One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.

Which isn’t really all that different from any other day, I suppose.

I believe I said it in thread a few days ago in reference to a post stating we had picked up some new readers as a result of playing the MNC game that I was not sure that was a good thing. For the past 2 years or so this site has been my safe harbor from Shaggyhornfanbloods.

I hope the admins and regular voices here to continue to utilize biting subversive wit, sarcasm, shame, and derision to squash any potential idiots. If that doesn’t work then good old IP blocking a la Steven works too.

All that said, how does that festering wound Tim continue unabated?

Dude, Tim provides a much needed levity around here, albeit inadvertently. Plus, he’s always great to beat the hell out of.

One man’s levity is another man’s provocation to setting him aflame and watching him run in circles screaming while drinking 2 fingers of Johnny Walker blue.

He’s like a teething puppy. He’s harmless, annoying, and easily confused.

Am I incorrect in believing that Texas fans on the whole would be considerably more upset at the prospect of Muschamp leaving than Mack at this point?

Big Duke-

I think that’s an incorrect assessment. Most people would take the trade off of losing Muschamp if it meant retaining Brown for much longer, say 5-6 years instead of the oft whispered 2-3.

I however, am NOT one of those people.

bigduke – no, I don’t think that’s right. If I were trying to gauge the Longhorn zeitgeist, I’d say it’s this:

Mack is our best head coach since DKR (and arguably best ever). Muschamp is our best DC since Leon Fuller. We dread losing either guy, but:

A. If Muschamp left, we’d need another high-calibre DC and we’d have a future HC search on our hands — but, we’d still have a top 1/2 head coach who’s shown (between Robinson, Chizik and Muschamp) that he can upgrade the position. BUT,

B. If Mack left, we’d have to either promote a guy who might still be a year or two away from being HC-ready, while also needing to find a DC.

In other words, “A” = 1 problem, but “B” = 1.5 and possibly 2 problems. “B” will be resolved after another couple of years, which is why I’m guessing that 2011 is Mack’s last season.

Thank God. Now I can go back to wasting time by focusing solely on recruiting.

To add to what others have said BigDuke,

We have had 4 defensive coordinators in the last 6 seasons. This year we saw our defense grow leaps and bounds because the players actually had 2 years in the same system but before this season our defense had suffered greatly because of the revolving door (and a soupcon of sub-par coaching IMO).

I think for many, myself included, we dreaded having to go through the search and having to start over with another guy and another system all over again. Add in the fact that this is the guy that most if not all are excited about handing the keys to pretty soon and it would be hard if not darn near impossible to replace him.

I am comfortable with Muschamp being HC ready.

I’d be much more upset losing Muschamp at this point. Mainly because losing Mack (god bless him) also means GD is gone.

I wouldn’t be too super crazy about either scenario. But if you gave me a choice between A) Mack retires now, Muschamp takes over, Major to OC or B) Muschamp leaves now, we search for a new DC, Davis still mouth-breathing in the press box, I’ll take option A.

If Muschamp bolts for an SEC gig and Mack steps down in 3-4 years instead of next year I feel fairly certain he would still get a look as the next Horn HC wherever he may be.

What nordberg said.

I’m with nordberg. It’s the MB/GD package deal that makes me lean towards WM.

As long as Mack takes over as AD, Muschamp will thrive as head coach.

Here’s my fear. I can’t see us making it through another off season (assuming we make it through this one) without losing Muschamp. While it wouldn’t shock me if we made it to next years BCS championship game, I think we set up nicely for it in two years. Mack knows this. I think this upcoming year is our last with Muschamp in Austin, and that sucks. We have to hit big next year.

I’m with nordberg here, if forced to choose.

Yes, what nordberg said, but we’re knowledgable on this site, for the most part. There’s a large portion of the fan base that has no clue.

Also, Mack would be taking Mac with him. I’d love to see the young go getters that Muschamp would bring in. Kirby Smart types.

I think we only lose Muschamp after next season if the UGA job opens up. I can’t think of any other job that he would take, except maybe Florida if Meyer can’t shake whatever is ailing him. But I think Florida would hire a proven HC or look to its own coordinators first. Most other top ten jobs either just hired someone or have a head coach thats not going anywhere. Root for the bulldogs in 2010!

At the end of the MNC, I predicted we would win it all in 2011. Then Gilbert declares, Mack to AD, and Boom takes the reins. I’ll send a calendar invitation when I get a chance.

Magnus- The thing that makes me feel better is that all of the big time programs have essentially come open and been filled in the last 2 years. The ones that haven’t remain relatively stable. The only one I can forsee coming back open would be Florida when Meyer keels over next month. Also, how long of a leash does Les Miles still have?

He’d bail for the LSU job. Miles is an idiot. This is a possibility.

No one can deny the toughness, personality, and character of this team since WM arrived. Outside of the supremely talented 2005 team, can we say that about another MB team? WM has completely transformed the attitude of the whole program. Does anyone doubt we get run out of the stadium in Pasadena under similar circumstances without WM? Not to mention the fact that we are probably not there anyway. Losing him would be a travesty regardless of what the folks at Belmont say or the idiots over at Orangebloods say. Chizik and Robinson while improvements over Bull Reese were vastly overrated.

We have the perfect person to take over this program once MB hangs it up. MB has been the best thing that’s happened since DKR, but this program will be just fine with WM at the controls and might even be elevated. I don’t know if the same thing can be said if we lose WM.

I’m not gonna lie… That thread on shaggy bevo was kinda funny.

I’m not gonna lie….That thread on shaggy bevo was an abortion.

If Coach Boom walked for an HC job right now, I’d go lay down in the middle of Memorial Dr. at 5:30 and pray for sweet death.

Perhaps they should just keep a stack of these on the secretary’s desk and she can fill them out whenever it seems necessary.

University of Texas Press Release

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

The Athletic Department at the University of Texas would like to issue the following statement from UT Defensive Coordinator, Will Muschamp.

"I am very happy at Texas and planning on being here a long time. I am not interested in the Head Coaching Position at (insert school name here). I have not been contacted, nor have I interviewed for the position at (insert school abbreviation here). The (school mascot) have an excellent school and wonderful traditions, but my family and I are very happy here in Austin and I don’t see that changing any time soon."

Let’s place emotion aside and look at the financials.

Salary: 2010-11
- WM is 38. At the end of the 2011 season, he will be 40, and he’ll make $1.8M between now and then.
- MB is 58. At the end of the 2011 season, he will be 60, and he’ll make $10M between now and then.
- These are such nice round numbers (40, 60, $10M) that it would make sense if MB retired after 2 more seasons.

Salary: 2012 & beyond (conservative estimates)
- Once WM is promoted to HC, he will probably not make quite as much as Mack to begin with, say $4M.
- If he proves to be a coaching legend, he will coach at Texas until he is 60, which is 20 seasons as HC. With the way coaching salaries are escalating, he’d easily be making $15 by 2031.
- Assuming a linear salary progression over 20 years (i.e. yr1 is $4M, yr2 is $4.58M… yr20 is 15M), he will make $190M as Longhorns HC + 1.8M over the next two years: TOTAL = $191.8M

- If he went to Tennessee now and became a coaching legend there, he would still not command as high a salary as a Texas coaching legend, so a reasonable estimate is that he’d start at $3M there in 2010 and end up at $12M in 2031.
- Assuming the same linear salary progression over 22 years, he would make $165M as a legendary Vols HC.

Considering salary alone, these are the kinds of numbers that a guy like WM is going to be looking at. Not how much he can make in the next two years, but how much he can make over the next 20. Also, just on recruiting potential alone, he has a much better chance of becoming legendary at Texas then at Tennessee.

Something that a lot of people have a hard time doing (or even understanding) is delaying gratification. That is what WM appears to be doing now, much to my relief. Often, when you delay gratification, you take a hit up front but are ahead in the end.

after the first 15 pages of hand wringing on the Shaggy site, it did get pretty funny. First 15 pages were fairly sad.

Losing Muschamp would suck. He brings the attitude to this team. I think we can win next year based on his ability to field a vicious defense.

“With the way coaching salaries are escalating, he’d easily be making $15 by 2031.”

I think this is actually based on the way the economy is going.

You also have to consider the current condition of the Tennessee program right now. It’s pretty doubtful that Kiffy left it in anything but a shambles. Why walk away from a known winner to a thankless job with a fanbase that has outrageous expectations? Vols aren’t going to be winning 8-10 games a year anytime soon. Their next HC will have 3 years and then get canned. Coach Boom knows that.

Maybe it’s just me, but for now I’d take Mack over Muschamp. Bird in the hand and all. We know what we get with Mack as HC. Consistent winning program, consistent top recruiting classes, consistent lack of NCAA problems. HC is a lot different from a coordinator. Muschampe MAY be great at all of the behind the scenes stuff Mack is great at, but there are no guarantees.

You know what you get with Muschamp though too. A bad ass, crunk, mother effin D. That will make you successful at the very least, possibly great. He’ll recruit like a mother. No way he’s not great.

Mack is great, but he’s won one Championship, and it took having the greatest CFB player ever having one of the greatest CFB performances to do it.

There’s a little risk reward to it. Sure Mack is going to have his 10 wins no matter what, but I don’t want that 10th win coming in the Alamo Bowl.

I think the #1 reason Muschamp passed on the Tennessee job is that he and THE UT have a transition or at least he has a plan of action in his mind. Given the Tennessee scenario he had a few days if not hours to decide and figure things out and then a few weeks to right the recruiting.

we love you, man. but lighten up, your gonna bleu your cover.

“All that said, how does that festering wound Tim continue unabated?”

Could have something to do with the fact that I’m 1.000 on my college football picks. If you idiots would have listened to me on the 08’ TTU vs. UT, 09’ TTU vs. UT, 09’ National Championship games you would have made some money like I did.

Or, you can continue to doubt me.

No one is doubting you. It is very apparent you ARE a festering wound.

If forced to choose, I would keep Muschamp at the cost of losing Mack/GD (especially if Mack becomes AD). Getting rid of GD would be a big step forward. The UT O has gotten so soft lately. Mack used to balance GD’s tendency towards softness but not lately. I’m not convinced about Major as OC, Muschamp should get a proven OC.

If you did in fact accurately predict the ‘09 TTU vs UT game, Tim, I seriously doubt a single “idiot” on this site doubted you on that pick. Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back for that one, Chief.

Wow Tim, you’re borderline genius. Do you know the color of the sky as well?

Kafka, by the time Muschamp is head coach, if that takes place, he would have had plenty of time to guage Applewhite’s readiness. If Kyle Shanahan can put up ridiculous passing numbers in the NFL when the talent is fairly equal, I think you can assume that Applewhite will fair well with a considerable talent advantage. He’s put his time in, he’s earned his shot. Or maybe Chris Simms should take over?

The putting his time in argument is not persuasive to me.

Major did well at Rice but had a lot of friction with his head coach. Major did not do as well under Saban. That is a concern. Saban is a great coach. Being mentored by GD is a concern.

The main concern, if I am a head coach just promoted from DC, is that I want a proven star OC. Major is the UT RB coach and UT’s running attack sucks. I want an OC in the mold of the OU OC, a guy who believes in a balanced, multiple attack.

Major is a hero but is not necessarily the best available OC in the world.

You mean a balanced attack like the one Major played in while qb? Also, my scenario is predicated on Muschamp guaging Applewhite’s abilities the last few years. IF he thinks he’s ready, then the fact Major has put in his time and has been loyal to the school should factor in.

I’d be willing to wager that Major rolls his eyes at a lot of GD’s playcalling. Our running attack does suck but it’s hard to measure Major’s roll in that. McWhorter sucks, GD sucks, I’m not so sure that Applewhite sucks.

I do love OU’s offensive schemes. The balance and the ability to rack up yards both through the air and on the ground are quite appealing not only in winning all styles of games but also in recruiting.

If Major rolls his eyes at the current strategy, he should propose changes that will improve the running game that he can sell to GD, Mack, and Muschamp. If Major succeeds, that is a good sign. Otherwise..

The UT run game woes may not be Major’s fault, but they don’t help his cause. You don’t promote people for not rocking the boat, you promote them for achieving success. I don’t see Major’s success at RB coach.

Having said all that, I would definitely prefer Major to GD at OC. At a minimum, the search for GD’s replacement should be nation wide. The next OC must have demonstrated proficiency in both the run and pass.

Every time OU loses they rip their OC a new one as bad as our fans rip GD. It’s all about players, guys. When your O-line sucks you can’t run the ball.

I enjoy checking up on all the diverse styles of 12-21-2012 mayan prophecy, I believe one satisfactory idea that has come of all of this, even if nothing passes is that it has opened our minds to the possibility that we may not be here forever and that we need to hold dear the lifespan we have.