Doug Gottlieb Watched the Same Game I Watched
In the post mortem I typed about how Hamilton seemed to take better shots and showed more patience the longer he was in the ballgame.
When it was apparent he wasn't going to be pulled (70% from the field buys a player a ton of credibility) not only did Jordan take better shots but he even started deferring his offense and creating for other players. Doug Gottlieb hits on this point and uses a play that's a perfect illustration of this phenomena. If you know you're not coming out of ballgame, there's no need to press.
You can be patient and let the game come to you. Hell, you might even drop a dime or two.
Doug's point about Balbay and our pseudo one man zone vs. James Anderson was discussed in the post mortem as well.
It's good to get an informed, objective view point on these matters. And former Oklahoma State Cowboy Doug Gottlieb is exactly that. Now it's just a matter of fostering this same feeling for Jordan game in and game out.
Thoughts?
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Just from having watched Gottlieb play, I’m pretty sure dude would be a top 10 college coach the day he picked up a whistle. Good to get his feedback.
by ghostofagroundgame on Feb 2, 2010 2:33 PM CST reply actions
Awesome stuff from Gottlieb. Of course I heard this all from you last night.
And that’s the staggered screen play I was talking about. Lute Olsen ran it all the time.
by Sailor Ripley on Feb 2, 2010 2:40 PM CST reply actions
Anybody remember that time Gottlieb came out for the tip-off of a big game and he had his shorts on backwards? The official made him go to the bench and do a deck-change in front of everybody before starting the game.
The announcers said Gottlieb did it on purpose to loosen his team up or take the pressure off or something to that affect.
Does anyone have more insight to that story? Anyway, I always liked Doug as a player.
by Nero on Feb 2, 2010 2:41 PM CST reply actions
Good stuff, and it’s good to see Barnes make an excellent halftime adjustment.
As far as offensive play callers go, Tom Izzo is second-to-none, imo. I’m not a Sparty fan per se,
but when I run across them on the idiot box I usually watch for their interesting play calling.
by Colby on Feb 2, 2010 2:47 PM CST reply actions
Not sure what was tighter…. Balbay’s D on James Anderson or that skirt on Hannah Storm.
by Art Vandelay on Feb 2, 2010 2:51 PM CST reply actions
Nero, That happened at Allen Field House. He claims that it was to break the tension because everyone was nervous to play there. I think it was cause he was so nervous himself. KU people still call out, “Shorts on backwards” clap clap clap clap clap, when the see him.
by Triston27 on Feb 2, 2010 3:08 PM CST reply actions
Another interesting thing happened at the 14:45 mark in second half o of last nights game. This is Jordan’s first shot of the second half and it ends up being a “way to quick” 3 especially for someone cold off the bench. If you’re able to rewatch the game, notice right after the shot clanks off the rim, Rick Barnes jumps off the bench and starts pointing to a player to get Hamilton out of the ballgame. Rick is met halfway by Todd Wright who it looks like is begging Coach Barnes to leave Hamilton in the game. Barnes relents, and the rest is history.
Then, it’s high comedy watching Barnes after every Hamilton shot the rest of the way. The dude was visibly pissed on a number of subsequent shots, but to his credit, he allows JH to do his thing.
Fun stuff.
by Trips Right on Feb 2, 2010 3:53 PM CST reply actions
I don’t take analysis from someone who can’t shoot 50% from the FT line. He has no credibility to me. Doug’s a worse shooter then Dogus….
In seriousness, I too saw the play you referenced. Cold off the bench, JH gets the ball doesn’t even look to pass and fires up a 23 footer without thought. Next time he got the ball he drove and pulled up for a 16 footer that clanged off the rim. I was a little worried he’d get the quick hook. Nice to know that Todd Wright has a better understanding of JH’s psychology then his coach. I understand Barnes’ thought process. JH and JCB offer little value on the defensive end so if they’re going to waste possessions on the offensive end then they’re killing the team, but he’s got to be more patient. I’m sure he thinks he’ll have a coronary if he goes too long with them….
by Patrick Bateman on Feb 2, 2010 4:19 PM CST reply actions
So who’s our tech geek that is going to post video of this play where Wright keeps Hamilton in the game? That would be great video.
by Huckleberry on Feb 2, 2010 4:47 PM CST reply actions
JH and JCB offer little value on the defensive end so if they’re going to waste possessions on the offensive end then they’re killing the team, but he’s got to be more patient.
I guess the point is the possessions aren’t necessarily wasted.
by Sailor Ripley on Feb 2, 2010 4:58 PM CST reply actions
Agreed. This Hamilton-Barnes-Wright bit is huge — would love to see it.
by tearaway20 on Feb 2, 2010 5:00 PM CST reply actions
Sailor,
You’ll have to bring that up to Rick next time you have a sit down with him and ask him his definition of wasted possessions then…
by Patrick Bateman on Feb 2, 2010 5:08 PM CST reply actions
My bad guys, I made a mistake, after the first bad shot Rick stays on the bench and motions like he’s royally pissed off and about to sub for JH. Todd Wright jumps up and walks all the way down to Barnes and does the begging. It’s the second missed shot at the 13:10 mark when Barnes is off the bench bitching at Wright.
by Trips Right on Feb 2, 2010 5:37 PM CST reply actions
Same point, no? Not trivial. Interesting, obviously. But more important, could make the lesson all that more obvious.
by tearaway20 on Feb 2, 2010 6:15 PM CST reply actions
Yep, same point. Just wanted to be accurate.
by Trips Right on Feb 2, 2010 6:35 PM CST reply actions
Doug as a player shot as often as Balbay does now.
by World B. Free on Feb 2, 2010 7:47 PM CST reply actions
It’s easy to make better decisions when you’ve already gotten yours.
The litmus test for me will be when Hamilton is having an awful shooting night and is in danger of playing fewer minutes.
by E on Feb 2, 2010 8:50 PM CST reply actions
The funniest one to me was when Hamilton hit the sideways-step back three to make it 52-45. The players are going nuts, and Barnes turns toward the bench just shaking his head.
The not-so-funny part is that I don’t think this changes his opinion of Hamilton’s shots at all.
by Bob in Houston on Feb 2, 2010 9:07 PM CST reply actions
Bob, I know, that’s hilarious. I was just talking to Vasherized about that play.
by Trips Right on Feb 2, 2010 9:25 PM CST reply actions
Travis Ford is funny too. He almost throws a towel onto the court after a jump ball call, and he catches himself before calling an official a sonofabitch. Dude needs to grow up.
by Trips Right on Feb 2, 2010 9:27 PM CST reply actions
“Dude needs to grow up.”
Says the iconic blogger who told a dIPshit poster to shoot themself in the face.
Ha.
by magnusbleuveigner on Feb 2, 2010 9:38 PM CST reply actions
Cue it to 4:43. Hamilton gets the ball early in the shot clock and is about to wind up a 3 and Barnes calls a timeout then gives him an earful coming off the court. The leash may have grown a bit after last night but it’s still there.
by Vasherized on Feb 2, 2010 10:44 PM CST reply actions
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2804/4326500525_1c15c651b6_b.jpg
This is the first shot Trips mentioned around the 14:45 mark. The first frame has Barnes sitting, then the camera zooms for the board and Barnes can’t be seen. The next frame is when Wright starts to get up and approach Barnes, who is still out of frame. In the last frame, Wright is nearing Barnes, but the camera quickly passes and they leave the frame.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2800/4326500919_ef5b4ee53b_b.jpg
This is the second shot around the 13:10 mark. The first frame has Barnes standing, he was motioning players, right as Hamilton is about to launch the shot. The next frame is when Barnes had just finished throwing his arms up in the “what the hell was that” motion. I tried to capture it, but ESPN360 doesn’t allow me to advance a pause a frame at a time, and I couldn’t land it perfectly. Third frame is Barnes beginning to sit down while saying something (pleasant I’m sure) to Wright. Fourth frame is Barnes seated looking ahead to the action up the floor.
ESPN360 doesn’t have true widescreen, only a 16X9 option that just stretches the screen. If Barnes motioned to have another player come up, it was beyond the 4X3 frame as the camera zoomed for the rebound. On the first shot Barnes’ hands are in the same spot when he left the frame as when he entered back between 14:41 and 14:39. On the second shot Barnes leaves the frame again for a second, but all that is visible is him putting his arms up once, saying something to Wright and sitting down. He must have said a couple words because after sitting he is looking ahead to the defensive transition.
by EggNog on Feb 2, 2010 11:11 PM CST reply actions
Egg, thanks for that. I think it’s fairly obvious that Wright was the one that insulated Jordan Hamilton from the wrath of Rick Barnes. That, and 11-15 from the field.
by Trips Right on Feb 3, 2010 9:01 AM CST reply actions
Man, I’m happy about the result, but if we are depending on a freshman to shoot over 70% from the field to win games I wouldn’t yet say we are out of trouble.
by ghostofagroundgame on Feb 3, 2010 9:07 AM CST reply actions
I have noticed during the games all of the assistant coaches tend to be much more vocal than in previous years. They will talk to the players while Barnes sits.
Also interesting is that Barnes used to chew refs but hasn’t this year. “Call the foul” was his catchphrase when I sat close to the bench. When he had the Mouton, Ivey, Thomas guys as freshmen he spent more time coaching up the players and ignored the refs. After they matured he spent his time pleading “call the foul”. This year he does neither.
by EggNog on Feb 3, 2010 10:18 AM CST reply actions

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