Barnes is slower than Colt McCoy
Basketball:
Trips did another excellent post-mortem after yet another tough road loss. This is a game Texas has been unable to solve for some time, as I wrote before. Kansas won in Reed Arena by 5 thanks to dominant play by Aldrich late in the game. Texas couldn't get dominant, reliable offense from anyone...except Jordan Hamilton.
Last we checked Hamilton was capably serving in a Ginobili-esque, come off the bench and be the creator for a spell 6th man role. Against Aggy Hamilton was the ONLY player who could create offense for himself or anyone else. His line for the game? Well Trips already pointed it out but it's worth repeating: 4-9 for 10 points, 4 rebs, 2 assists, 2 steals, 1 TO, and 24 minutes. From his first 5 minutes it was clear he needed to play the rest of the game for Texas to have any chance at victory.
Apparently victory is not one of Barnes' top priorities though. Hopefully he achieves his goal of putting Hamilton in the NBA even less successfully than his job of winning games at Texas. Then maybe the fans can actually enjoy a season of watching the talented young kid play basketball instead of ripping out hair every other game. That's really the point here, that we the fans who pay the bills have been done a disservice by this team. Some of it may be on the players for their practice efforts and habits but I know how Muschamp would publicly handle the blame for execution on this team.
You would think another loss @ College Station wouldn't be a big deal and really I wouldn't mind watching the team lose a hard-fought game in that hell-hole if the loss was not so closely tied to unacceptable incompetence. At any rate, this team goes as far as Hamilton carries them against the better defenses in the tournament so hopefully he and coach can sync up. In fairness to Barnes, other freshman have played immediately and earned his trust quickly and totally but that doesn't excuse him for dropping a turd on the hardwood every other contest.
Monday night vs. OU at home will probably be another encouraging win but we still know this team is unreliable away from the Erwin Center.
Football:
While Barnes frustrates with his methods, McWhorter earns back some trust landing a top tackle prospect with Garrett Greenlea (that same link doubles as an introduction to W-Horn, the most entertaining commenter since Ipowers). After plucking from the lower branches in the early commitments Texas has landed one of the top interior OL and now a tackle who looks as college-ready as juniors come.
I think a lot of the concern over the class has come from the last few years when Hall and Tanner were relied on heavily and the OL never saw another talent like Studdard or Sendlein, much less a Blalock. However, I think it's worth checking the OL classes the last several years to see if the dearth of talent was an anomaly or systemic failure.
2004
Greg Dolan: 4 star, no idea what happened to him.
Adam Ulatoski: 3 star, the best OL since Blalock and co.
Cedric Dockery: 4 star, 2nd best.
2005
Chris Hall: 3 star, could play every spot on the line and mobile in space but notoriously weak at the point of attack. A worthy take but not someone you want to count on.
Charlie Tanner: 3 star, ditto. These were 2 really thin classes, no small wonder the seniors of 2009 couldn't match 2005.
2006
Buck Burnette: 4 star, likely to make center a strength before 2010 but then exposed himself as an idiot and got kicked off the team.
Steve Moore: 3 star, hasn't shown anything yet.
Roy Watts: 3 star, academic casualty.
J'Marcus Webb: 4 star, another academic casualty. He or Watts could be starting at tackle this season.
*Britt Mitchell: 3 star TE now a likely starter at RT. Jury's out before he plays but he seems like a very worthy acquisition having cracked the 2-deep on the most athletic spot on the line as a 3 start recruit for another position.
2007
Tray Allen: 5 star, never got redshirted though he needed it. He's probably your starter at LG though and athletic enough to make some serious noise if he's comfortable there.
Kyle Hix: 4 star, 3-year starter at RT. He showed a lot of early potential but now has me cringing at the prospect of him at LT.
Michael Huey: 4 star, pretty much the same story. Both could probably be great with man-blocking.
Aundre McGaskey: 4 star, another of the endless casualties at tackle. Transferred.
2008
Mark Buchanan: 4 star, hasn't cracked the 2-deep yet.
Luke Poehlmann: 3 star, hasn't gained a pound since he arrived save for in hair...let's move on.
David Snow: 4 star, my pick for best OL in 2010. Made the 2-deep immediately (with some help from Bucky) and has excelled when asked to play center.
2009
Thomas Ashcraft: 4 star, too early to tell much.
Paden Kelly: 3 star, packing on some weight check back after fall.
Garrett Porter: 4 star, ditto.
Mason Walters: 5 star, would have been in the rotation in 09 and probably a starter in 10 if not for a nasty ankle injury that was handled about as badly as you could have imagined. I'm sure next we'll hear that surgery in November could have prevented the now inevitable amputation...
The next 2 classes aren't really worth getting into at this point although the schollie numbers from 2010 (2) are disconcerting. I guess the information to be gleaned from all that is this: A). If you want dominant OL play, recruit enough guys every year to keep a 2-deep full should even you lose ALL your upperclassmen. B). Tackles can turn into guards, guards don't become tackles. C). Character matters here probably more than anywhere. Your OL have to be heady, disciplined, and have a love and passion for the game that will enable them to hang around at 300 lbs. and be fit physically and mentally for war against some of the most dangerous men on the football field.
Maybe McWhorter has been slow to catch on how to recruit his unit properly but I think most of the damage done recently was a result of several misses at tackle following 2 undersized classes back mid-decade. Since then the classes have shown a better understanding of how to maintain OL play in recruiting.
As far as other offensive coaching, if Texas wants to steal from Auburn again I would start at least with this guy's ideas regarding how to use a half-back and power-running from the spread if not just trying to pry him away entirely.
NFL Draft:
There's been some fun discussion of the combine results here and here. So far the times have been a little surprising and I forget that you need to add about a second to whatever number you would predict for your team's stars. Colt ran a 4.77, which wasn't really shocking but probably made Mike Sherman throw up in his mouth.
Shipley's 4.57 and 4.6 were the real story and you can see in the discussion everyone rationalizing this information pretty quickly and readily. Fact is, we didn't see Shipley run by people that often, at least not before he would give a head shake or hard cut.
Does this number matter ultimately? Only for the size of his contract, Shipley's skills absolutely translate to the NFL as a slot receiver. His speed in and out of cuts (which will be more important than his straight-line speed) is clearly legit as are the magnets at the ends of his arms. His value as a returner may have been damaged though. Anyone here would have guessed the Quan would outrun Ship?
And for all who were curious, Welker ran a 4.61 at the combine. I thought Shipley would best that number and I still think he's faster in and out of cuts.
After getting a look at all the times and measurements I think if I were the Rams I would invest the no. 1 pick in...Ndamukong Suh of course. He beat Gerald McCoy easily on the bench press and I'm betting his power clean numbers (more important) are better along with his 40 time. We'll see how McCoy's rep as a better pass rusher holds up to the combine drills.
Now we get to another unpleasant matter. Namely the jackanapery of Jeff Fisher which BurntOrangeWookie called attention to in the forums. Fisher claimed that Vince "benefited from the running game" while Collins was a "victim of drops" in rationalizing the Titans success with Vince.
At least one of those points is true, I recall Collins and the entire team being a big victim at home against the Texans of a drop when Collins inexplicably put the ball on the turf without being touched and caused the Titans to drop a very winnable game. Let's examine a few numbers though just for giggles, and we'll even ignore the obvious fact that Vince improves a running game with raw numbers (which we'll exclude for now) and as a threat on the zone-read and option stuff Tennessee occasionally uses.
I also threw out the St. Louis game that Vince started and was pulled from (hamstring pull) because it would inflate the rushing numbers for Collins and would weaken Fisher's case since it came late in the season. Also the Rams sucked really hard so it's nice to throw them out as an anomaly regardless.
I won't make any compensation for this but I want to point out that Collins' starts might have seen higher rushing totals if they didn't have to play from behind so much. I'm not sure why I wouldn't simply let that punish Collins though.
Running game averages in Collins starts:
For Collins' six starts to begin the season the Titans averaged 26 carries per game for 138.5 yards. That averages to 5.3 yards per carry. We could really stop right there, even if the rushing stats for Vince were significantly better. If you can't win a game in 6 tries with those kind of rushing numbers you have no value as a quarterback.
Running game averages in VY starts:
For 9 of Vince's starts (not counting the Rams) the Titans averaged 29 carries per game for 152 yards, which averages to 5.2 yards per carry...hmm. Really the best you can say in Fisher's defense is that the Titans were smart enough to hand the ball to Chris Johnson more often when Vince was the quarterback. Of course, he's the coach and playcalls go through him.
But what if we add Vince's direct contribution to the running game?
Vince Young: 55 carries for 281 yards, 5.1 yards per carry.
Well I guess that would make for a fairly sizable addition to the rushing totals. I guess we have no choice but to conclude that Jeff Fisher is a massive tool. It would have been nice if he had just noticed the following stat:
Titans in games started by Collins: 0-6
Titans in games started by Vince Young: 8-2
Would've saved me a lot of trouble.
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Hamilton as the savior who will carry this team? Aside from the fact that he is our third best scorer when creating his own shot and plays terrible defense, he doesn’t have the leadership or teamwork building attitude you need to carry a team.
I don’t have much joy in watching Ginobili due to his “European” style of play. Ginobili is a hard nosed defender who has incredible leaping ability and can finish amazingly well at the rim. Hamilton always goes right, curls wide because he lacks quickness, and uses his body to create separation for a jumper. Anytime he drives all the way to the rim he can’t finish. Unless you are only comparing him as “instant offense”, he is very little like Ginobili.
Hamilton’s line was staggeringly similar to Brown, who also plays the “instant offense” card for us. Both become defensive liabilities though and usually can’t keep pace with the points they are giving up.
by EggNog on Feb 28, 2010 10:56 PM CST reply actions
Eggnog: Hamilton is our third best scorer “when creating his own shot”? No one else CAN create their own shot on a consistent basis.
He’s not so terrible a defender as he has been labeled. Damion James wasn’t much better against A&M. He rebounds and stays in front of his man well. His recovery isn’t fantastic yet. Did you notice he had 2 assists, 2 steals and only 1 turnover?
I’m not sure why you don’t enjoy Ginobili but the man can go left or right, finish at the rim, and also pull back for a jumper all the way out behind the line (or at least could in his prime). The comparison here however was that both are non-point guards who can serve as the primary creators by being able to create shots for themselves and then also having the vision and passing ability to facilitate the others.
Even if Hamilton was atrocious at defense, and he’s really not, Texas can’t afford to keep him on the bench because they need his offense. If you only have one creator on your team you hide him on defense and keep him on the floor. I don’t think there’s a legitimate argument that Barnes is maximizing his assets on this team.
by Nickel Rover on Mar 1, 2010 6:20 AM CST reply actions
The excellent oline discussion above almost makes me forget the story Robin Sendlein tells about Lyle calling him after his first NFL practice to tell him that his offensive line coach told him to forget everything he had learned in college, he was starting over. Almost, but not quite.
The credibility Barnes has lost this year is mindboggling.
by Another Dipshit Poster on Mar 1, 2010 7:04 AM CST reply actions
Jeff Fisher is a massive tool
or a selective white supremacist.
by Magnificent Bastard on Mar 1, 2010 7:55 AM CST reply actions
Terrence Cody just ran a 5.64 and crossed the finish line like he had just run a marathon.
by HenryJames on Mar 1, 2010 8:04 AM CST reply actions
Keep that info coming HJ.
I need to know what future Houston Texan great Bryan Price runs.
Good job Lamarr. Finally a UT player blazes a 40.
Predictions on Earl’s 40? I had him at 4.4, but seeing how I was way off on everone else’s and Earl has put on some weight, I’ll go with 4.5.
by magnusbleuveigner on Mar 1, 2010 8:17 AM CST reply actions
Ship weighed 10 lbs more than what he was listed at playing at UT. Since we all know that the coaches lie like crazy when they list playing weights, that means shipley might be 15-20 lbs heavier than when he played.
Could that be a big factor in why he didn’t hit the 4.4s?
by 06_UT on Mar 1, 2010 8:21 AM CST reply actions
Wow. 4.65? How does that compare to everyone else?
by 06_UT on Mar 1, 2010 8:23 AM CST reply actions
“Colt ran a 4.77, which wasn’t really shocking but probably made Mike Sherman throw up in his mouth.”
I chuckled.
By the way, Don Banks (SI.com) had the Rams picking McCoy over Suh as well. Stupidity iz contagious?
by jc25 on Mar 1, 2010 8:31 AM CST reply actions
Cody runs a 5.75 on his second attempt, but he’s a NG so it doesn’t really matter.
by HenryJames on Mar 1, 2010 8:31 AM CST reply actions
Houston runs 4.87 on his second attempt. Looks really solid physically.
by HenryJames on Mar 1, 2010 8:40 AM CST reply actions
TCU’s Jerry Hughes runs 4.59 and 4.63.
Kindle runs 4.66 on his second attempt.
by HenryJames on Mar 1, 2010 8:43 AM CST reply actions
Jerry Hughes career is off to a better start than Tommy Blake’s, imo.
by magnusbleuveigner on Mar 1, 2010 8:47 AM CST reply actions
Tebow ran a 6.66 in the shuttle. That is probably some how religiously significant.
by 06_UT on Mar 1, 2010 8:49 AM CST reply actions
Hamilton played very good defense against A&M – he’s not a straight up man-to-man defender but he’s probably our best zone guy in the long run. He doen’t move his feet that well to play man but he’s got great arms, plays smart positionally, and he’s usually in a size mismatch so letting a guy drive and swatting the shot is always a reasonable possibility. He had 2 steals and had his hand on another couple at least that disrupted the Aggie offense.
Our worst defender by far was J’Covan. He’s the only guy at this point who doesn’t play any kind of defense whatsoever.
by Sugarpants on Mar 1, 2010 9:05 AM CST reply actions
Sugarpants nailed it.
So did nickel, thanks for doing these by the way.
The interesting thing about Hamilton is that you can run offense through him in a variety of ways and all 3 were on display Saturday.
We posted him up opposite Dexter and hamilton recognized the double and hit a cutting DJ for a layup and a foul.
We ran a 1-4 low with Hamilton on the ball and he simply backed down the midget guarding him Magic Johnson style and hit a little turnaround. Sadly we never went back to this to exploit the mismatch and run some counters off the double that was sure to come. Oh well. 58’s a solid number.
Mostly Hamilton’s offense comes from the wing, but we can post him up or put him on the ball to create some variety in our offense. Granted, it’s not the successful D’antonio random screen juggernaut we usually run, but I’m willing to look past that.
by Trips Right on Mar 1, 2010 9:28 AM CST reply actions
Wow! That’s an outstanding time for Houston and really solid time for Kindle. They both are making some money today. Kindle’s bench was pedestrian, nothing bad though. Houston is going to be a big mover.
Cody almost beat Ultaoski’s time….Ha, ha, ha….
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 1, 2010 9:43 AM CST reply actions
Carlos Dunlap runs a 4.66 at 6’5" and 277 lbs. That’s pretty impressive.
Sergio broad jumped 9’10". Measures explosiveness. That’s a pretty darn good jump.
Lamar goes 9’6". Very good. Both are really performing well.
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 1, 2010 10:48 AM CST reply actions
Our 2006 OL class is all kinds of awesomeness. A perfect mixture of suck, poor grades and racism.
by Newy25 on Mar 1, 2010 12:45 PM CST reply actions
Muck ran a 4.73. Not that great. Not going to move him up the draft boards, still he has some other drills to make an impression.
Dillard from Corn ran a 4.64.
Daryl Washington, from TCU, ran a 4.57. Pretty good but he’s a smaller LB.
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 1, 2010 1:10 PM CST reply actions
Excellent read, Nickel. I’m simply flummoxed by Barnes’ coaching of this team. For the most part I loath Calipari, but he does a better job at utilizing and coaching a team of young talent, clearly. Not that Bradley and Hamilton are likely as good as the Cousins and Wall combo, but still.
by Burnt Orange Wookiee on Mar 1, 2010 1:35 PM CST reply actions
“2004 — Greg Dolan: 4 star, no idea what happened to him.”
Heh, I graduated HS with Dolan. I never really cared for the guy, but according to people I’ve spoken with about him, he was caught with marijuana. He was never the sharpest tool in the shed. He was given the option to stay at Texas (and not play football), but decided to transfer.
Looks like he played at Tarleton State and as of June ’09 was playing for the Fort Worth Avengers.
http://www.dfwfootball.net/2009/06/dolan-is-warrior-for-avengers/
Ha.
by texasengr on Mar 1, 2010 1:37 PM CST reply actions
Sergio with a 36.5 vertical. Very good.
Jerry Hughes is having an excellent combine as well.
Lamar with a 33.5 vertical. Another good post.
Gerald McCoy with 30.5 vertical. Not bad.
Suh with 35.5 vertical, 4.98 40, and 32 reps on the bench. He’s outshining Gerald McCoy….
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 1, 2010 1:39 PM CST reply actions
19 reps on the bench for Berry.
18 reps for Haden. These are the two other DBs that Earl is generally grouped with as far as round 1 talent.
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 1, 2010 1:53 PM CST reply actions
I’m kind of surprised that Suh did not run a 4.2 40, vertical 43", and do 1000 reps on bench with Hall hanging on one side of the bar and Ulatoski on the other.
Of course the only reason he’s stop at 1000 is because he was bored.
by 06_UT on Mar 1, 2010 2:15 PM CST reply actions
You know that line in Folsom Prison Blues about Reno? That was Suh.
by Burnt Orange Wookiee on Mar 1, 2010 2:53 PM CST reply actions
Gerald McCoy apparently was a quote machine at the combine and really made an impression in the interview portion. Of course, interviewing with NFL scouts and ignorant reporters are two different things.
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 1, 2010 3:17 PM CST reply actions
Also, Suh can fly and is impervious to bullets and fire.
by ghostofagroundgame on Mar 1, 2010 3:26 PM CST reply actions
Muck struggled a bit with broad jump. 9’2". Tied for lowest among LB at this time. He’s working with the OLBs, but he may need to move inside.
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 1, 2010 3:32 PM CST reply actions
21?… Wow. All the picutures I’ve seen of him did not lead me to believe that he’d get more than 15.
by 06_UT on Mar 1, 2010 4:06 PM CST reply actions
Good work, HJ. That’s really good for the Duke of Earl. Others:
Taylor Mays: 24 reps
Myron Rolle: 21 reps but could explain the biological dynamic of doing a bench press.
Kyle Wilson: 25 reps. Really good. I think he’s going to be pretty good.
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 1, 2010 4:09 PM CST reply actions
Thomas is the best defensive player we’ve had since Casey Hampton.
by HenryJames on Mar 1, 2010 4:18 PM CST reply actions
I’m all over Wilson for the Texans. He’s a player for sure. Can’t believe he did more than Mays on bench. Wow.
Earl is stout but 21 is definitely on the high end of what I thought he would get. There is no fat on that kid. Hopefully this factors into the scouts thinking he will be durable.
18 reps for Haden is good as well. He’s pretty slight.
What about 40’s on the db’s?
by magnusbleuveigner on Mar 1, 2010 4:19 PM CST reply actions
Magnus,
As HJ wrote, they run tomorrow. There is speculation that Haden might not run lower than 4.5. That would be slightly surprising. BTW, Donovan Warren from Michigan put up 12 reps.
McClusters had the fastest short shuttle of 4.06. Makes up for his pedestrian 40. Ben Tate was 2nd and he’s helping himself at the combine.
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 1, 2010 4:33 PM CST reply actions
Muck put up 19 reps?!! He’s been in the program for 5 years, and weighs 240 pounds and all he can muster is 3 more than our 190 lb reciever? Terrible. Earl can get 2 more than Muckelroy.
Speaking of McClusters, that little shit benched way more reps than Rodrick.
by magnusbleuveigner on Mar 1, 2010 4:45 PM CST reply actions
Muck’s definitely losing some money today. It’s a shame. Hopefully he won’t fall too far. Overall, the Horns haven’t performed that great compared to expectations:
Ulatoski: Just awful. Slow, light, short arms and average strength. Grade-D
Colt: Short. A tad slow in the 40, but nice rebound on the broad jump. Really, how he throws and interviews is the story. Grade-Incomplete.
Jordan: Size was expected, but good size hands. Was slower than expected and and weak (11 reps on bench, tied for 2nd worst by WRs). Read he didn’t look good running patterns. He’ll need to rebound at pro day. Grade- C-
Houston: Has been killing it. Great run and did well in the explosion drills. Measured well and benched well. Great few days for him. Grade: A
Sergio: Another guy that measured well although a little light. Ran pretty well. I read that his official was 4.71. Solid on bench and really did well in broad jump and vertical. Cemented his status and may have moved up a slot. Grade: B+
Muck: Heavier than I would have guessed. Didn’t run bad, but not good. Weak. 19 reps as a LB is not good. He also had the worst broad jump for LBs. He’s fighting and clawing for middle round slotting and he didn’t do well. Grade: D+
Earl: Measured bigger than expected. Benched well. Doesn’t run until tomorrow. Thus far he’s done very strong.
Overall, only Adam may have torpedoed his chances of getting drafted, although I think he’ll go late. Lamar made a move up and Sergio held his status. Colt needs a big pro day and Jordan could use a rebound. Not running crisp patterns was surprising. I don’t ever count Ghost out though. Muck hurt himself, no way to spin it. Let’s hope Earl ends the session well tomorrow.
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 1, 2010 5:25 PM CST reply actions
Don’t worry, going undrafted won’t phase him. Undrafted free agency is the greyshirt of the pros.
by whoopspat on Mar 1, 2010 9:07 PM CST reply actions
Magnus,
I think you’re correct. The website I was looking (footballfuture.com) had him at 11 reps, but after checking NFL.com, they have him at 16 reps. His disappointing top end speed probably cemented the idea that he’s a slot guy regardless and there is less press coverage in the slot. 16 is still much better than 11. I think he disappointed a tad with his route running….
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 2, 2010 11:47 AM CST reply actions

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