Cory Joseph - Orange House.

Outstanding get. Very much needed. Hope he can rebound for a guard, because we’ll every rebound we can get. Should be a 2-3 year player too…

does this mean Avery Bradley is gone for good?

scs -

I’d reckon so.

I feel like I’ve heard this before…

He can play point or off of the ball, but don’t assume the typical combo guard stereotype of can’t handle well enough to play point and can’t shoot well enough to play 2.

Oh yeah… here.

Not saying he won’t be a fantastic player, but let’s keep things in perspective here. I’m lookin’ at you, Barnes.

I knew there was some tension b/t them so I assumed. I have seen CJ play three times within the last month and I love his game over AB to be honest. He can shoot and creates much better than anyone on the team.

whats the connection with Findlay Prep and Canada and Barnes? It can’t be just coincendence.

Yes! This is good news. And, just to be clear, the dynamic between Bradley’s decision and Joseph’s is pretty much one way…right? In other words, Bradley’s decision to leave may have impacted Joseph’s commitment, but Joseph’s commitment has really no bearing on Bradley’s decision (assuming Avery hasn’t decided).

Huge. Can’t have enough shooters, and in our case we now have twice as many as we had yesterday.

Also, the ESPN article linked says the Jordan Hamilton is still on the fence regarding whether or not to declare for the draft. I didn’t know that he was still considering it. I wonder whether a commitment like Joseph’s gives Jordan any more incentive to come back. Playing with a capable PG should always be a positive factor from a scorer’s standpoint. The deadline to declare is April 25th, by the way.

Can’t have too many I meant to say. Mel Kiper threw me off.

What are these irons in the fire with big man recruiting? Looks like every decent big is gone in this class…

At worst, he’ll take the strongest perimeter defender off of J’Covan which should allow for spacing and isolation oppportunites for Brown. At best, he creates a perimeter offensive rotation that provides the ability to stretch the floor without nervousness for playmaking or shotmaking.

Corey’s presence can’t be understated as far as what he brings to our flexibility as an offense.

Borron:

One of them is Kevin Noreen (Minnesota’s Mr. Basketball) who is a 6’11" former Boston College commit. His level of competition was really terrible, but he’s a legit post option/defender who has considerable upside.

Another is Marcus Thornton from Georgia who is a fucking physical specimen.

We’re in the push rather late on them both, but you’ve gotta think that we’re an attractive option for them both, regardless of time spent in recruiting comparatively to other schools.

“…whats the connection with Findlay Prep and Canada and Barnes?”

It goes back to Theo Davis. Ro Russell runs Grassroots Canada. He’s the common link. Findlay Prep was just a good place to put Avery Bradley. That has very little to do with any of the three players they’ve appeared to send UT’s way.

I’m raising my eyebrows about this one. It’s just not very fun following the basketball program these days, that’s for sure.

that’s an interesting perspective there, slx. you no doubt have your reasons for your somewhat vague comment. it’s hard for me to see how a PG who can handle and shoot is a bad thing for the program. unless there are factors of character and chemistry that haven’t been publicly documented, it seems like this would make following the program at least slightly more fun. it does for me.

Hes not a true PG so dont expect him to be.

I’d be curious for a further description from SLX regarding his last comment. After the pain of this last season, I am certainly having a hard time building up any excitement, although I am always pleased to receive top end recruits.

To put it more plainly, I don’t approve of the methodology involved with this recruitment. It certainly makes me less inclined to be a fan, not more.

I have no problems with Cory Joseph as a player, that’s for sure. I don’t know if he’s a missing piece or not - I don’t know if anyone is - but he’s a heck of a talent.

Sorry to continue with the questions but, what methodology was used for the recruitment? I have always been happy that we’ve avoided hiring coaches in an effort to win a recruit, so I suspect I will side with you on this matter. Perhaps this is a case of ignorance is bliss.

I can tell you I’m not going to go into details. It only amounts to very strong suspicions, anyway, much like I’ve espoused in the past regarding other programs that choose to recruit in this fashion. No one has emailed me copies of cancelled checks or promises of compensation.

I don’t know of any coaches being hired, though. On the official payroll, anyway.

crap…that didn’t sound too good. i will now go and bury my head in the sand and pretend that i didn’t read what you’re implying.

SL,

I quess I won’t be hearing you say “Barnes doesn’t play those games” anymore when discussing recruiting and Baylor or Aggy tactics…..

What a shitty thing to say. It’s one thing to accuse other schools of cheating, but to accuse your own, based on what? “strong suspicions?!?”

Barnes, who has lost Texas recruits b/c he won’t play that AAU “game” is now suddenly willing to do it with a coach from Canada instead? How fuckin un-American of him!

Barnes, who said he’s more concerned with getting his guys into the NBA than winning a championship, is now willing to play for players in order to win?

GMAFB

Translation: SLX thinks Ro Russell is questionable, and we just happen to get all of his players.

Findlay Prep is a heck of a place, too, even though I realize SLX says it isn’t a factor here. All the players live in a UNLV booster’s mansion. They actually go to school at Henderson International, but then instead of playing for Henderson they have their own traveling club team.

Joseph will be an upgrade at PG even though he won’t be a dynamic slasher. Thompson also will be a big upgrade over the version of Pittman that played the 2nd half of last year.

Then again, Damion James and Avery Bradley would be the two best players on next year’s team if we still had them. Like SLX said (or at least implied), I don’t think the missing piece for us is a player.

WOW !
SLX has his own translation as rendering from one language into another.
How can I download that program. SLX you are now in the big times….

Not a player must be the ballboy or the kid that hands out towels and Gatorade.

" live in a UNLV booster’s mansion" and they also have their own casino,smaller of course its not that big of a booster.

Forgot to mention that the whispers are that we need one and maybe several coaches on the official payroll and /or the unofficial coach payroll will also do.

“with a coach from Canada instead " its just foreign aid no big deal here. The USA will always try to help out.

Longhornmatt,

If SLX has given up on Rick, that is quite a shift from a year ago when he said that in his opinion Rick was absolutely the best coach for Texas. No muligans for Rick, I guess.

It’s a little hypocritical if I’m willing to call out other schools for their recruiting tactics, then I see Texas use the same ones, and yet somehow find it acceptable. I don’t. I would have preferred to lose Cory Joseph to another school, even though I really like him as a player, than to recruit in the manner Texas did to get him. It sours me on the whole program on a completely different level than last year’s season did.

“Strong suspicions” is a euphemistic phrase. Just like with Kentucky, or OU, or Baylor, or A&M, or New Mexico, or Arizona, or all the other programs I’ve accused of stooping to blatant disregard for the rules to get specific players they covet, I don’t have copies of any checks. Nothing I know about it would hold up in a court of law. Nonetheless, I certainly feel convicted that Joseph is going to eventually sign with Texas for something more than a scholarship offer.

It’s important to me that I feel like Texas runs a clean program. I don’t think that’s true in this case. It’s my opinion that Ro Russell and Cory Joseph’s Mom are being taken care of in return for their support of Joseph coming to Texas. Otherwise, I think he would have ended up at Villanova or Connecticut. Not that they were running clean recruitments, but that is beside the point for me.

“No mulligans for Rick, I guess.”

The mulligan was that disaster of a season in 2008-9. 2009-10 was about redemption, with the most complete team he’ll ever have. We all saw how that turned out. No MORE mulligans is the way I’d phrase it. Especially because of how total an abysmal failure from a coaching perspective last year was.

Maybe he can get it turned around. I don’t think so, but I had some of the same doubts about Mack Brown, and he’s been terrific, so maybe Barnes gets it done, too.

Fair enough SL. I could have remembered it wrong but it seems you were were a strong Barnes supporter after the 08-09 season, not that it matters because clearly last years disaster seems to have been the nail in the coffin for you and Rick. I was just surprised to see you abandon him after being such a staunch supporter for so long. I say this as a fan of your posts, and I hope you take it that way. I guess I am just disappointed that someone who I believe has good knowledge of our program is no longer on board. It worries me that tough times are ahead. Maybe Rick can follow your Brown comparison and bring in the correct assistants to change things, but sadly I don’t think he will do that.

Is it fair to say that you believe that DeLoss should start a short list of replacements? My guess is that that will be the task of the next AD considering DeLoss’ heart to heart with Rick before the turn down of the Kentucky job….

Again, GMAFB.

Where were these whispers 2 years ago when Tristan committed, or last year when Kabongo committed? Convenient how we’re only hearing about this after Barnes’s shitastic coaching job this year. Since we can’t fire him for crappy coaching, let’s fire him for cheating!

And if they’re suddenly now willing to pay for players, they’re gonna start with Cory Joseph?!? Nice combo guard, improvement over what we have, but he’s no program-changer like Ford or Durant. If they’re gonna start playing for players, I wish they would have started last year and gotten John Wall.

And another thing, why do you think he would’ve gone to Villanova or UConn? Exactly what advantages do they have over Texas, other than proximity to home? It’s not like either one of them are coming off stellar seasons either.

I’m a little late to this game, but I’d like offer a few thoughts as I’m disinclined to delete commentary on general principle, unless it’s gratingly stupid or repetitively boring, neither of which are labels I’d ever apply to SLX. Nor can you unfire a bullet.
 
My two cents:
 
Barnes has a 30+ year track record of being clean in the dirtiest collegiate sport there is. Pure white? Doesn’t exist in basketball. Able to be laundered safely with a white dress shirt? Yep. At least that’s the history.
 
In my view, that record demands and deserves some consideration and at least some measure of caution when advancing accusations of wrongdoing. Particularly when they cut to the core of program integrity.
 
That’s the crucial difference between Barnes and a John Calipari, or even how Baylor has chosen to run its program for periods of time, even pre-Bliss. Calipari’s trail of probations and Baylor’s folly over the last two decades are a matter of record. That’s a crucial difference.
 
As a guy who has some respect in Longhorn fandom, you should know that your comments carry weight. And human psychology is such that veiled insinuation lends itself to more dire interpretations than a precise detailing of fact. The timing of it is also unfortunate, given the general disenchantment of our fanbase after this year’s massive underachievement. Would you seek more to understand if we’d just come off of a 30+ win Final 4 run?
 
Which brings me to my final point…
 
UT has a compliance department. Rick Barnes, whatever you may think of him now, is not a particularly defensive or guarded individual. You also know people. Why not air your concerns through those avenues before doing so on a blog? You might be ignored completely, you might be enlightened, you might downgrade a felony to a misdemeanor, you might make Rick Barnes aware of something he didn’t even know about it.
 
That seems the approach that best serves the program and offers a nod to fairness.

Scipio, you’re being too nice. This is just another post consistent with SLX’s bipolar posting history. He says he’s not going into details, then wakes up the next day and says Cory’s mom and Ro Russel are getting “taken care of”. He says he doesn’t have any proof, just “suspicions” and that it’s “my opinion”, but I guess those somehow warrant accusing your home team of cheating.

It’s not comparable to accusing a rival of cheating, SLX, b/c when you accuse a rival of cheating you have no credibility. It happens a hundred times a day across all collegiate sports. But when an insider on the home team makes that accusation, that’s different, b/c that’s rare – that gets some genuine consideration. You’ve built a reputation, albeit divisive, of being a bit of an expert on texas basketball. you know as well as the next guy that if you go around to any of the many forums you like to post on and accuse Texas of cheating people will listen.

You’ve accused the family of a Texas student-athlete of taking benefits illegally (that’s a pretty big detail!). You either know what happened or you don’t. Quit playing this pansy middle of the road game (Texas is cheating, I think, but I don’t have proof, but Cory Joseph’s mom is getting paid, but it’s just my opinion). Either defend what you’re saying or recant it.

Rick’s gudie to cheating…rule #1: tell people outside the program you are cheating.

damn, our coaches can’t do anything right…

The posts insinuating Coach Ro or Joseph’s mom were bought off in order for CJ to come to Texas are not only irresponsible, but mind bogglingly stupid.

Cory Joseph has been Texas for a long time with the only snafu coming when Bradley looked like he’d be back at school. Since CJ wasn’t interested in playing with AB again, Bradley coming back to Texas allowed ‘Nova and to an extent UConn to get back into CJ’s ear via the family who wanted CJ closer to home.

Now that Bradley looks like a lock to the NBA, Joseph commits to Texas because he loves Barnes, loves Thompson, and knows there’s a good shot to play with his good friend Myck Kabongo if the timeline to the NBA is delayed. It’s not rocket science. It’s not payola.

The tone of the posts come across like jaded lover type bullshit. Look, we get that Barnes had a horrible year last year when he was supposed to make a run at a championship.

Still, utter disappointment is no reason to besmirch Coach Barnes’ good name based on things you overheard at an AAU raffle. The man has a 30 year track record of doing things the right way. Why would he change now? Why would Barnes mention the man he ostensibly paid off in the press release announcing Cory Joseph’s LOI signing? It doesn’t pass the smell test.

Look, If Texas were going to cheat, Perry Jones would be coming to Texas, and we’d pull more than the occasional player out of Dallas.

The FanTake network has been in contact with multiple sources from Belmont, to Ro’s people, and virtually every AAU swingin’ dick in between. There’s nothing out there to back up allegations of pay for play. It simply didn’t happen, and the poster should be ashamed of himself for posting that tripe here.

Go sell that shit somewhere else.

Wait, our network has sources?

… and anything’s possible I guess, but Rick sure seems like he’d “rather die a slow death” than go that route.

The sheer amount of proper grammar in this blog fight is staggering.

I think Trips just killed a guy with a trident.

I’m not selling anything. I’m posting my opinion. Sucks you don’t like it.

It’s amazing how seriously other people seem to take my credibility, when I don’t take it seriously at all. I’m not making shit up out of thin air when I post about other programs cheating. I mean it. I believe it. I believe what I posted on this thread as well. None of the rest of you have to. I don’t care.

I’ve always had a bit of a righteous air when talking about the games other programs play to bring in players. It’s fair to say none of us are going to have to concern ourselves with that schtick any more. I think that’s a blessing for all of us.

Nah, what sucks is that your incoherent ramblings about what may or may not have occurred, that which you yourself characterize as your “opinion”, hurt people’s credibility and directly effect their livelihoods. And no, I’m not talking about Rick Barnes.

Not that you would give a rat’s ass after such a reckless string of posts. After all, you said it yourself, you’ve lost the moral high ground. I mean for chrissake, you can no longer talk with an air of righteousness when demonizing other programs. What a fucking tragedy.

The fact of the matter is this, you haven’t a leg to stand on when it comes to impugning the credibility of the Texas program, otherwise you’d name names and talk specifics. Admit it, you’re butt hurt about having a crappy season when so much more was expected and you had so much invested emotionally.

Get over it, or again, sell that shit on another site. You know, a site you’re inclined to post on more than once every six months.

“It’s amazing how seriously other people seem to take my credibility, when I don’t take it seriously at all.”

Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

I can’t believe that this guy, who basically went into hiding when the team he predicted would be one of the most dominant college basketball teams ever, tanks it mid-season and the first thing he does upon returning is to accuse our coach of being dirty.

Unbelievable.

No, you’re absolutely selling something. And you are your own best customer.
 
I am shocked that you’re being a remorseless twat. Don’t worry – your credibility is no longer taken seriously.
 
Your whole “I don’t care what people think” schtick is fucked out. I’ve learned that when people repeatedly, constantly, and vociferously tell you how they are, rather than let who they are speak for them, you’re dealing with someone who is precisely what they proclaim that they are not.
 
So fuck off. And grind your little personal axe elsehwere. We don’t exist to serve your narrative of self-importance and program pronouncements, varying on the mercurial whims of your personal level of program disaffection, divorced of all integrity or self-reflection.
 
You’ve abused our good will and friendship like the self-indulgent narcissist that you are. You love to wallow in your own mire of bullshit and that drains my tolerance quickly. Fuck off back to the dozen different boards you post daily on (while somehow posturing detached bemusement); unless, of course, you want to deliver another unsubstantiated poison pill, then your friends know we can count on you here.

I heard Rick Barnes was secretly being paid to coach this team.

ouch.

Okay. I’ll fuck off. Very easily done. As I told you over the phone, delete my posts if it bothers you so much. It won’t faze me. I’m honestly not trying to sell anything. I’m not trying to start anything. I posted something I feel about strongly, but that was the end of my agenda.

Believe what you want. I’m not looking for your acceptance. I have a great deal of respect for you, and will continue to do so. I have no idea what you’re looking for from me here, but I have no doubt as to my inability to provide it.

can’t we all just get along?

“I’m honestly not trying to sell anything. I’m not trying to start anything. I posted something I feel about strongly, but that was the end of my agenda.”

You’re so full of shit. You remind me of one of Tiger Woods’ hoes who claim they only went to the press b/c they’re concerned about his wife and thought she should know the truth. Basically, Rick Barnes is Tiger Woods and you’re the jilted lover. You’re all just a bunch of attention whores who try to pass off their intentions as virtuous.

BTW, this certainly wasn’t worth enough to me to end a couple of friendships. I don’t take myself this seriously. I did take my friendship with Trips Right and Scipio Tex seriously. My apologies for any harm I may have caused them. It wasn’t my intention. I don’t care about some kind of Barnes’ expose. I had an opinion on the subject, and I expressed it. I’m not always all that considerate of the consequences, and frankly, I like it that way. Nonetheless, if I had to do it all over again, I wouldn’t have made any posts on this thread, simply because of the impact it has had on Trips and Scipio.

I will say that anyone who thinks the Cory Joseph recruitment was clean has their head in the sand, but I also insisted McWhorter was retiring after this past year, Damion James was absolutely going pro, Carroll was a horrible coaching hire by USC, and many many many other absurdities. I’m not infallible. I don’t intend to be. But whatever opinion I have, I genuinely hold.

If my attitude was going to affect you this deeply, Scipio, you should have deleted my posts on Sunday. I sincerely wouldn’t have cared a fig.

I have nothing but respect for the people who are involved in this site, whether from the administration or blogging side of things, and I wish you all nothing but success.

Just take it down Scipio. I don’t think anyone will mind at this point.

Go back to your circle jerk on phog.net, where I see you’ve tried to bait them into a similar conversation with more “veiled insinuations” around Cory’s recruitment. Fortunately, the general intelligence level of that board is at a sufficient level to not recognize the baiting, preventing our program complete unjustifiable embarrassment you seem so eager to promulgate.

You don’t deserve the University of Texas, SLX. If you understood what makes this university what it is, you would never run around to all your favorite interweb crack houses pushing your bullshit agenda with no facts and no support, defending yourself with something so utterly childish and embarrassing as “i don’t take [my credibility] seriously at all”. It’s time you find another school to harass, as I’m now certain you don’t have a degree from this one. The jayhawks would love to have you; i’m sure you’ll find it a true ‘clean’ program.

Your first few posts come across as though you have very detailed knowledge of CJ’s recruitment and that you know much more than you are letting on. When you are pressed to spill some info, mainly b/c you are accusing a coach who has been clean for 20+ years of cheating, you back off and say its just strong suspicions and just an opinon. Then you try to really backtrack by questioning why people give your posts such credibility, when your posts normally indicate that you have some sort of inside connections or sources and you usually talk down to people that question what you’re saying.

I’d be interested to know why all of a sudden you’re accusing Barnes of cheating, and for Cory Joseph? Don’t get me wrong the guy is a heck of a talent and was a must get, but where were these implications when we landed Tristan Thompson while he was the #1 ranked player in the country? What about when we landed Myck Kabongo or DeAndre Daniels? or Sheldon McLellan? or Julien Lewis? or what about when we landed KEVIN DURANT?

Interesting that SL chose to shit the bed here as opposed to ShaggyBevo, where his first post after CJ committed said:

Well, I was way wrong on this one, and wrong from a long way out. Good for Barnes and Co.. This was a big pickup. I do think they needed a big man, but nonetheless, Cory Joseph is an out and put stud. Very nice pickup, and a great job keeping on top of it by assistant Rodney Terry.

He’s already pinned to the cross here and content to let it bleed out but the motive to post it on BC as opposed to the other 15 boards SL frequents (and enjoys semi-legendary status) doesn’t add up. If the goal is to hang Barnes by his nuts, why not put the call into Belmont?

I guess Rick has to earn that phone call after last season’s results?

Certainly an unfortunate sequence of events here. Moving on now …

I haven’t been on Longhorn forums for that long, but I remember the name SL Xpress. I don’t remember what he posted a few months ago, but it was dumb enough for me to remember to avoid his name.

I don’t know how to say this delicately…judging SL Xpress harshly on this matter is not the right move.

Be frustrated with the manner in which he presents his info as you feel is right, but, unfortunately, I wouldn’t be so quick to judge his information if I were you all.

Sucks to say, but I have heard the same thing and trust me when I say that I’d much rather just tell you all that SL Xpress is full of shit.

Bluh.

Texas got Joseph………COOL!

Who is next for Texas?….Rakeem Christmas?

How hard is Texas recruiting F LaQuinton Ross?

Boy there’s just so much I find regrettable in this thread.
                                                                                                                                                                             
SLX I’d essentially say, yeah, you should have realized that this was going to create consternation on the part of Scipio and probably Trips and yeah, there were more appropriate avenues to explore there (although not any of the other public boards and I don’t at all understand the indignation over which boards you frequent or how often). Even if whatever you believe/know happened was egregious enough that the coaching staff forfeits your discretion perhaps your friends here on BC were still entitled to the option of exploring those other avenues first as we’re obviously all stakeholders here, both as fans of the program and contributors/creators of this forum.
                                                                                                                                                                               
Having said that the idea of SLX making something like this up due to petulance over last season’s results is so inconsistent with my interactions with him as to be unbelievable to me and the accusations of that are disappointing and off-putting as well as the accusations of narcissism particularly as it relates to his reasons for posting in these forums. Well those accusations I also find ironic.
                                                                                                                                                                       
In any case I’m mainly disappointed that three guys I really respect are so crossways here. Shit can’t be unsaid but I’d find it extremely unfortunate if this was a permanent state of affairs.

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What. The. Fuck.