Texas to the Pac 10 Domino Falls?

Good luck to Mizzou if this is true. Hope they can replace their Texas players with players from, umm, somewhere else I guess.

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There is no viable replacement handy. No LSU, Arkansas, Notre Dame will join up.

Hopefully we’ve got the ball already rolling on the Pac 10/ whatever’s left of the Big 12 merger.

Sydney, worked for me. It’s a Mizzou TV station citing Bruce Feldman as their source.

Hmmm, Joe Schad just sent this on twitter:

schadjoe Steve Spurrier: “I heard maybe Arkansas back to the Big 12 or something like that.” about 1 hour ago

Better access to Texas talent is the only reason Arkansas could possibly have to voluntarily leave the SEC.

Key word here being “voluntarily”.

We’re Fucked. When the Big12 folds we will have to go hat in hand instead of being in the drivers seat like we were when it was formed.

link no trabajando

Bixby -

Texas still has natural advantages. It could share revenue equally in a good conference and still expect to win in the way that we are accustomed.

Ah, we’ll be fine. We will be able to go wherever we want. Other schools in the Big 12 — like Tech and Baylor — are completely screwed.

Link works for me. Try this:

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/497fb659-80ce-0971-0049-9e14f03a4b0e

Arkansas is the best we can do if we lose Mizzou? WtF? What do they bring?

Wherever we end up, we don’t have to take assclowns like this with us, do we?

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2010/apr/29/oklahoma-man-backs-car-through-parking-tower-wall/

I’m worried about guilt by association.

KOMU pulled the story

Not so fast Lois Lane:

http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/870

As the writer concludes and I concur, no suprise at all when it is actually a done deal.

Somebody got a little trigger happy on this one.t

I still think i’d rather try to make Utah or BYU work in the Big 12 rather than pull in Arkansas or most of the other names listed. The salt lake city market is much bigger than anythig in louisiana or arkansas. I also don’t want LSU getting even more of a foot into Houston and the rest of TX.

Stealing Arizona would be amazing.

I mean ASU. Getting both would be nice as well (replace ISU and Kstate?)

Bill Bixby said: Edit
April 29th, 2010 at 11:01 am
We’re Fucked. When the Big12 folds we will have to go hat in hand instead of being in the drivers seat like we were when it was formed.

This may be one of the silliest things ever written on this blog. We’re the fucking unicorn that shits Krugerrands.

The Goog News link shows a whole bunch of stories saying not so fast my friend.

Why would a team currently in the SEC or Pac 10 want to join a dying conference?

School, not team.

Well, Arkansas has lost a lot of prominence since it started playing in the SEC. There is something to be said for being the biggest fish in a mid-sized pond versus being another mid-sized fish in the ocean.

I’m sure Arkansas’ money is better in the SEC.

Oddly, ASU has capacity for about 20,000 more people but averages about 4k less people (for 2009 at least).

Nordberg: I think if the right teams from those conferences joined the Big 12 would not be dying anymore. I think the arizona schools could be the righ ones. They have a huge market to bring. They’d actually jump right in at the number 3 market just behind Dallas and Houston. That would be huge.

I say toss Baylor and pick up Arizona. If we can get rid of ISU for ASU I’d pull the trigger on that as well.

Team Avg. home att. Pct. capacity
4. Texas 101,175 107.5
10. Nebraska 85,888 106.0
12. Oklahoma 84,788 103.3
16. Texas A&M 76,800 92.5
28. Missouri 64,120 90.3
37. Oklahoma St. 53,719 89.2
Arizona 52,547 90.9
43. Kansas 50,581 100.7
45. Texas Tech 50,249 93.4
46. Colorado 50,088 93.4
ASU 48,556 66.2
51. Kansas St. 46,763 93.5
52. Iowa St. 46,242 84.1
64. Baylor 36,306 72.6

Arkansas has a shitty TV market. Whenever these talks come up, it always seems to come down to TV markets to get more money. So why would WE want Arkansas? Little rock is #57. That is even behind Austin.

Arizona has #13 Phoenix not to mention #70 Tucson.

There’s no valid reason to ever be in the same league with Arkansas again.

Sheesh.

I don’t disagree. I was explaining why Arkansas might be interested.

SEC already said that if Big 10 goes to 14 or more schools they’d be ready to keep the pace. The talking heads on ESPN implied that FSU & Miami would be the first they’d add. Why not UT and aggy?

The SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY AH! JUST FUCK IT !

Also why the hell does aggy sheep molesters have to follow Texas anywhere ? No matter where ever we do land at?
Trips… I am calling BS on your false advertising . If you have hot babes in your front page you should at least have a follow up in the body of the sky is falling blog !

Donny Boudreaux said:
April 29th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

SEC already said that if Big 10 goes to 14 or more schools they’d be ready to keep the pace. The talking heads on ESPN implied that FSU & Miami would be the first they’d add. Why not UT and aggy?

-Cuz UT is a better fit overall in the Pac 10 or the Big 10 (overall=academic angle considered). That is why the SEC is the least likely to add Texas.

Remeber also to not think like a sports fan and you will probably be closer to right than wrong on your speculations.

Ditch Iowa State, Send OSU and OU to the North, pick up Rice and TCU for the South.

I’ve said it once, and I’ll say it again: A&M is coming with us, wherever we go, if for no other reason, than like a 3rd of the Congressional delegation went to College Station and you just don’t want to piss them off.

Ditch Kansas, Nebraska, and Colorado, and add SMU, Texas St, and Blinn.

Anyone we add will be a short-term fix. I’d rather just start the process of bailing now.

Rice and TCU would bring ZERO extra dollars to the table. Actually, ISU may be the one to bring zero to the table (I doubt it), but TCU and Rice might actually bring negative dollars. You also end up with 15 teams. Horrible idea.

I don’t think the sky is falling, but i do wish we would better position ourselves to continue making the most money (or near the top).

If i’m remembering my numbers correctly, everyone in the SEC and Big 10 make at least 10 million more per year in TV money than UT does. Yes, we still made the most money last year dispite that, but I don’t think it should be acceptable to UT to be that far behind the competition in a particular area.

When people ask why we should care about 10 million when we just brought in 80 I say it is to protect ourselves just like anyone would do with their retirement funds. You want to have that extra $10 mil from TV revenue the year the merchandising or ticket sales drop off a little. Also, who the hell turns down 10 million?

Don’t worry, kids. Dan Beebe’s on the case. Right after he finds a detergent that can handle chronic skidmarks.

Some of ya’ll need to go back and read the posts from a few months ago when the expansion talk began. No BCS school, and especially no SEC or Pac-10 school, is going to come to the Big 12. And conference affiliation goes a lot deeper than sports. Some of the statements above are pretty absurd.

Rice and TCU?

Might as well reconstitute the SWC by playing SMU and UH each year in September.

Neither of the AZ schools would consider the Big 12, they have no reason to. AZ is a western state that associates with California.

If any of this happens we’ll be the team packing up and leaving (most likely with aggies and the desert aggies in tow) for greener pastures. We seem to like dominating the Big12 (financially) for now as a school so we’ll just ride this wave until it ends and then go to the highest bidder i would assume. Although i’d see the Big10 or Pac10 well before the SEC as a more likely destination due to non-sports issues.

Since this is all speculation anyway ,why not a super conference made up of a strong money cow football and a pretty strong basketball program. 10-14 members. This is my speculation.
Pac 10 – UCLA, WASHINGTON, ARIZONA
Big 12——TEXAS, KANSAS , KANSAS ST. , atm
Big East NOTRE DAME ,PITTSBURG
ACC———BOSTON COLLEGE, MIAMI (FL)
SEC -—-ALABAMA, TENNESSEE

Just off the top of my head did not check the $$$ just strong teams that had a good BB program that might leave for a bigger and better $$$ siuation.

Our collective fan base continues to exhibit a frustratingly slow learnig curve on these issues in every venue where I read about this.
 
Think:
 
- TVs – size of market, what do you bring?
- Academic fit
- Competitive fit
- Recruiting – what is lost/gained
- Cultural compatibility
- Ability to carve out lucrative TV contract with league of heavy hitters (see SEC) or effectively create/join conference network (see Big 10)
 
If you’re still talking about joining the SEC, courting TCU, expanding the Big 12 to add Arkansas and Arizona State, fretting about rivalry games, or sweating time zones, then we’re not going to have a meaningful discussion.

Strong, Scip:

I’ll make this as simple as possible (A gin and tonic on a nice MD spring eve helps):

We are an 800 pound gorilla in fly over country. Demographically, the bulk of the big 12 is an entertainment wasteland, both in TV sets and in National relevance.
Our future is where the population is going: either the West Coast or the Bible Belt.

Pick which one fits Texas culturally, and you’ve got your answer. Nobody fucking cares about Texas schools other than UT once you hit the border.

If you’re still talking about joining the SEC

If the conglomerate of 800 lb Gorillas call with the world wide leader in quasi-journalistic marketing in its corner, you take the call.

Texas will not be in the Big XII in 3-5 years. The Big XII is unstable because:

1. We dominate it financially and academically (conference of unequals)
2. Rest of teams will do whatever necessary to screw us (2008 voting, 2010 NC game where Stoops trying to get us beat by Alabama).
3. Only Texas and to a lesser degree Missouri have people.
4. “You don’t pull on Superman’s cape or spit into the wind” unless you are Stoopid and others in the Big XII conference.

Texas should go to the Big 10 first because:

1. Same time zone, not two different like California.
2. More money (Big 10 has a MUCH better contract than PAC 10)
3. Best Academic fit (all high quality schools)
4. It will make the Big 10 the most powerful conference in America.
5. Texas will dominate the conference in recruiting (who wants to live in Michigan?).
6. OU does a slow turn down the drain, especially if we do not play them every year.

Texas is more likely to go to the PAC 10 because:

1. Scipio is using his juju to make it happen.
2. Big 10 is rightly afraid that they will be dominated by Texas and so will not invite us.
3. Good cultural fit.
4. After the Big 10 invites whoever, the PAC 10 will have to respond.

Texas is least likely to go to SEC because:

1. Hell would have to freeze over first.
2. Global warming is real (but not as bad as people think) and will keep #1 from happening.

Scipy,
 Our fan base continues to get on the short bus most of the mornings and the others are too drunk to care. That “dirty” slow learning curve is always rearing it’s ugly head.

The tutelary person endowed with transcendent mental superiority; especially , a person with a very high IQ has a responsibility to his inferior 800 lbs gorillas to pass on the hidden secrets of the universe. Gorillas only speak chimp is my understanding, or sign language if you teach them.
But this is all speculative in nature and just for fun right ?

Time zones matter. I hate watching Durant play after midnight.

Time zones matter only if you try to apply how Texas’s west coast games would fit into the current Saturday template. As much as anything, I think the historic start times we’re used to will be completely revamped.

If Texas does in fact move to the Pac-10, whichever network (Cableland?) has the rights will likely have kickoffs at 5 pm Pacific. They won’t put too many, if any, Texas games in a later slot, otherwise they’ll be wasting an asset.

I would almost rather go independent than any of these options..cherry pick the schedule.

The Pac-10 already puts most of its better football games on TV in the early to mid-afternoon, PT, whether on ABC or FSN or Versus. Texas may be able to influence that to some extent, but Texas-Stanford 1999(?) was a late game. I know I gave up on it.

Similarly, men’s basketball starts generally have been staggered through Saturday on most weekends, and Sunday game times have varied. I don’t think every Texas game would start at 9 or 9:30 CT, but enough would that people would notice.

derryl: Independence possibly could work in football, but it would very likely be a disaster for every other sport. A bad bet all the way around. Think Notre Dame, but with only regional appeal, and not that much outside of Texas.

So because someone throws out the fact that the conference could be made better by adding 1 or 2 decent schools (and possible getting rid of some less attractive ones) the are on a slow learning curve? Granted, I don’t think this will happen, but I do think it would be a good move. Lets go through your points:

- TVs – size of market, what do you bring?
No shit. Notice how I’ve already pointed out that Az would bring in a bigger market than all but Dallas and Houston
- Academic fit
BS. Did everyone forget that we WERE in a conference with Arkansas, TTech, UH, ect? Have you not noticed we are currently in a conference with outstanding academic programs such as: OU, TTech, Nebraska, ect?
- Competitive fit
? Who cares. Its about TV sets and money.
- Recruiting – what is lost/gained
We own Texas. Anywhere we go we are going to open up TX to someone else. Can’t be stopped.
- Cultural compatibility
Like the compatibility we have with A&M, OU, NU, and all that we had with Arkansas and SMU?
- Ability to carve out lucrative TV contract with league of heavy hitters (see SEC) or effectively create/join conference network (see Big 10)
If the Big 12 added the right team(s), it would have the TV sets to form its own Big 12 network.

Everyone who wants to join the Pac 10 realizes they have the 5th highest TV payout per school per year, BEHIND the Big 12 (and ACC), right? If Mizzou would jump for a bigger contract, why wouldn’t Arizona/ASU join the Big 12 for more money? I do think that UT would have to start sharing the money evenly with everyone, but that will happen if they leave anyway.

The Big XII is a dead man walking. Deal with it, Man!

Evidence: Missouri, Colorado, and Nebraska have shat in their pants saying they are ready to join Big 10 or PAC 10. If any one of them leave, it is over.

However, no worries. Texas is the 800 pound gorilla thanks to Mack Brown and we will end up either in Big 10 or PAC 10.

no worries?
Maybe you should see this thing through a jealous woman’s eyes.
Do you think Ohio State wants to share their throne? No worries maybe with that ugly
stepsister Missouri.
And what about Michigan, who is desperate themselves to get back sharing the throne?
Think they want to climb over Texas too?
your only hope is the PAC 10 and only if USC is so wrapped up with looking at itself in the mirror it doesnt see the threat coming.

No, no worries. We’ll go wherever we want to go.

Paris, they want the money more.

The PAC 10 will be desperate for a quality team like Texas if the Big 10 expands.

The Big 10 population centers are declining, the West Coast, South and South East are all seeing population growth.

You can argue Big 10 TV contracts, and academics all you want, but there is a population shift and that shift is away from Big 10 country. The talent and speed gap between Big 10 schools and SEC schools is getting wider and wider, and it’s only going to get worse. The type of athlete you need to be competitive at the highest level lives in the South, and doesn’t want to play football in Wisconsin.

Who the fuck wants Arkansas or any of those Red Neck SEC states? Christ, I don’t wanna be connected to those hillbillies in anyway, much less have to suffer through their “fans” for a whole year. I never trust people who show loyalty to a conference. What the fuck? Support your team, but who gives a shit about the conference?

Ut06-
 
Everyone who wants to join the Pac 10 realizes they have the 5th highest TV payout per school per year, BEHIND the Big 12 (and ACC), right? If Mizzou would jump for a bigger contract, why wouldn’t Arizona/ASU join the Big 12 for more money? I do think that UT would have to start sharing the money evenly with everyone, but that will happen if they leave anyway.\
 
Yes, UT will just pony right up to realize that dream.
 
Arizona/ Arizona State aren’t going to abandon their academic considerations and cultural identity for a bleak, dying Big 12. The TV contract money difference for them would be marginal. You’re thinking like a Big 12 partisan. If you think like an Arizona guy, which is the relevant posture, you’d dismiss the idea out of hand.
 
As for the rest of it, your thought process is based on piecemeal change. That’s not the trend. That’s not what’s going to happen when the dominoes fall. And if it does, it’s a part of a short term transition – Pac 10 + 2. Followed two years later by Pac 12 + 4, now dubbed the Western Super Duper Whatchamafuck.
 
The Pac 10 will not longer exist.
 
The Big 12 will no longer exist. Even if there is some carcass still called the Big 12 with Baylor playing Iowa State.
 
It’s even possible that the NCAA may no longer exist.
 
People are still having trouble processing this.

Tim –
 
Very true. But even with that decline, it’s a massive population, thus allowing the Big 10 Network’s handsome 22 million per school payout. It’s an appealing place for Mizzou for that reason.
 
It also makes the Big 10 potentially appealing for Texas as a very temporary place to park ourselves if we become frustrated by Pac 10/Big 12 stupidity in ironing out a conference made up of the strongest members. Clearly, our best play is out West, but the Big 10 is nice powder to keep dry.
 
The human element of this, which any analysis may have trouble accounting for, is accomodating the absorption of two conference bureaucracies – that alone will cause foot dragging, delay, and manipulation – as well as the uptake speed of ADs and presidents. Some of them are visionaries and grasp this stuff better than we do, some of them are dumb creatures of habit that will begin to go “Hey, conference realignments!” as the tectonic plates begin to shift.

While the population in the midwest is declining, the prospect that it is dead is way overblown. The economy in the midwest has been dominated by the auto industry for over half a century, meaning generations of people have grown up under the umbrella of GM and Ford and laws regarding taxes and unions etc were set up to deal with last centuries economy. At some point the politicians in Ohio and Michigan are going to wake up to the new service based economy and revise their laws to encourage more diversified growth.

At that point, the natural geographic advantages the midwest enjoys – proximity to major population centers, major transportation hubs and of course the big one – WATER will once again become evident.

All it will take is a bit of foresight from the politicians and the unions.

Ah hell you’re right the midwest is dead, lets join the PAC 10

All it will take is a bit of foresight from the politicians and the unions.
 
Oh, is that all?

Big XII should proactively add New Mexico, BYU, Utah, and UNLV. Then if Missouri and Nebraska leave for Big 10+ Big 12 would still have added Albuquerque, Salt Lake City, and Vegas.

By offering BYU and Utah together it may be more appealing to Utah folks to be in the same conference, making it tougher for the pac 10 to pull off the Utah/Colorado combo.

I see the Big 10+ going after Nebraska, Missouri, Notre Dame, Pitt and Rutgers (or Maryland if ND says no).

“It also makes the Big 10 potentially appealing for Texas as a very temporary place to park ourselves if we become frustrated by Pac 10/Big 12 stupidity in ironing out a conference made up of the strongest members. Clearly, our best play is out West, but the Big 10 is nice powder to keep dry.”

I think this could be the key Scipio, a temporary place to park. I don’t know if the Big 10 offers a great long-term solution for Texas, but aside from just staying put, it’s probably the best place to be in the short run while the UT administration sifts through bids.

This can’t be the same Tim. He’s, like, making sense and shit

I hear rumors that UT is trying to cherry pick the P10, but I just don’t see them dropping any members. More likely they’ll let Texas bring over Aggie, Tech, and OU, plus CO and a 16th of either NE, KS, MO, Utah, or maybe even UH. Depends on who the upcoming Big Fifteen takes and if Powers thinks bringing UH is necessary for his Prop 4 vision. AZ schools go to the east division, and that keeps travel about as compact as possible. If nearly everyone is going to 16, then best to keep the Sooners and Ags out of the SEC (though I have doubts the ACC can find a way to get to 16 without taking academic misfits, which they probably won’t.)

While the P10 makes the most sense for UT, don’t rule out that conference’s ability to shoot themselves in the foot. Though they can probably get around it if necessary, they do have the requirement of a unanimous vote for expansion. I wouldn’t completely rule out the SEC as Plan B, C, or Z. If UT brings aTm, TT, and OU, and the SEC agrees to shifts AL and AU to the east, travel remains about the same as in the B12 South. Winning the division would be tough but doable, Texas can usually handle LSU and with 16 schools they’d probably only have to play 2 east teams per year. At 16 teams UT can now have 2 losses and still make the national title game, since expansion and Jim Delany are likely heading towards a Plus One system matching up the Rose and Sugar Bowl winners (with the top ranked non-SEC/P16/B16 team playing in the Sugar) or something similar.

If Powers strongly wants to upgrade to an AAU-dominated conference then the SEC may be off the table, but so far UT has been content to stay in a B12 that top to bottom nearly mirrors the SEC academically. So while a combo with the P10 seems to be the prohibitive favorite, the SEC might be able to make a play. Think about this, the conference schedule in a 16-team super conference is going to be tougher than it is now and probably will leave only 3 OOC games. Is UT willing to play both OU and Aggie out of conference, consuming 2 of only 3 OOC slots? That would be as tough an overall schedule as if UT went to the SEC. What if OU and aTm both accept SEC invitations, do we still go west?

Uh, no. Any Big Fifteen expansion agreement is going to be a Hotel California contract packed with withdrawal penalties. Their football teams may be slow, but their commish isn’t.

Why is everyone talking about TV markets. The big XII doesn’t split TV revenue evenly anyway, why do we care what the TV markets for the new teams “bring to the table”. Sure, there will be TV contract negotiations in the future, but you guys are fans, you shouldn’t care about shit like that. The UT football program makes the most money of any program in the country. They will be fine. There is no reason for YOU to worry about what type of TV markets. You don’t understand how it works anyway.

Scipio and others, why is the PAC 10 the best play for Texas when the Big 10 has wayyyyyyy more money and is in the same time zone?

Population shift?

Proximity to Scipio?

Those are the only two advantages, I see ;)

“We” may be able to go anywhere we want in a perfect world, but there are so many other teams effected in the state that politics will limit our options. Hence, it is unlikely that the outcome will be optimal for Texas. It will be a huge compromise.

Also, it is unlikely we will be able to dominate any 16 team conference you care to name. For us to be on top of a new conference means someone else has to drop. They won’t do that for our convenience. We could disappear in the PAC10 or Big10 just like Arkansas did in the SEC. Who knows? Not Sailor, thats for sure.

So you have this Sailoresque 5 line post and get 70 hits? Fuck you.

Tim’s no dummy, he’s just highly annoying at times. And he’s stupid.

“Scipio and others, why is the PAC 10 the best play for Texas when the Big 10 has wayyyyyyy more money and is in the same time zone?

Yeah was wondering that myself. Bigger tv package, rabid fanbases, CIC membership. They are a top 2 conference now. I can’t imagine that would change once they add Texas.

‘We could disappear in the PAC10 or Big10 just like Arkansas did in the SEC.’

arkie was not sitting on a powder keg of recruiting. also arkie was never as central to the game as we are right now. if you want to see a couple of comparable programs to late swc arkansas, look just north of the red river.

‘I would almost rather go independent than any of these options..cherry pick the schedule.’

we bitch about how we cherry pick an out of conference schedule and you want to cherry pick the whole thing?

longhornswin, interesting observation.

Scip-

Two politicians are having lunch together. All of a sudden one stands up and shouts “you’re lying”. The other replies, “I know, but just hear me out”.

Like it or not, football success is cyclical. Texas was not so dominate 6 years ago. Even then, we have won the South only 4 times and won the conference only 3 times. Hardly a perennial top dog.

Nebraska has been less than stellar in the B12.

OU is in a slump.

Texas to the Big 10 is still the best fit all in.

It is very telling that the Big XII with the University of By God Texas is the only conference that isnt meaningfully talking about expanding. This conference is dead meat the very second any major school makes a move anywhere in the country.

This is all placeholder bullshit until you get the long-dreamed of Super Conference of 60 or so football and basketball schools together. I say give it 15 years or so.

Anybody remember the CFA?

Big 10 (Eleven, but soon-to-be-twelve, or thirteen for fourteen, or who to hell knows)! Big 10! Big 10!

Doesn’t work as well as SEC! SEC! SEC!

But it is better for all the reasons bullzak mentioned, plus time zone.

I know time zone smack is the weakest of the weak, but it is important.

I’m all about big x as well.

Ya’ll remember the 9"30 UTEP start recently? Horrible!! If the NBA won’t accommodate for 75% of the country when NY plays LA… why would the PAC-10 accommodate for the one school that’s different??

Not JUST talking about Football either. Baseball games that start regularly at 9:30 or later. Big Monday Basketball games that start @ 9:30 or later.

NO THANKS!!!

Billy Bixby -
 
Your ability to consistently write idiotic things is a triumph of human will.

You wouldn’t like him when he’s angry.

Then you will really like this one: we haven’t always been on top and we will see the cellar again in your life time.

Pretty sure Bill isn’t a Texas fan.

Does anyone know if the Big10/Pac10 are colluding on this matter to ensure the best conference for both since they are so closely tied with the Rose bowl and academics???? Just wondering….

There are 4 major conferences. The B12 has no ability to peel away a team from any of the other 3 majors. The other 3 majors have the ability to peel away a B12 club.

The crown jewel of college football (read: $$$) is Texas. If I ran one of the other major conferences my number one objective would be Texas.

But how do I get Texas? Texas won’t destroy the B12 by being the first to leave (just as Arkansas first left the SWC before Texas bolted).

What I do is peel off one of the other B12 schools, thus letting Texas off the hook for wrecking the B12, then I turn around and offer Texas a ride.

If I’m the B10, then I take MU, then offer Texas. If I’m the PAC10, then I take CU, then offer Texas.

I don’t think Texas ever goes to the SEC. God, I hope not.

If it means no more 11 AM games, I’m real excited about a move to the Pac10.

grant, it would probably mean all games in austin would be 11 am. for the pacific visitors it would be payback for their kicking off at 10 pm our time when we visit.

http://www.southwest.com/ continues to change the world.

Through The University, we send 4000 fans to road games. Aside from a few students and the band, those tickets go to pretty well off LHF contributors. If they can afford a trip to Lawrence, they can afford a trip to Eugene or LA. I’ll be honest – I’m not willing to pay for a road trip to Manhattan or Ames. I know it’s fun to follow the team on the road, but I can watch on a shitty Fox broadcast, and then have a nice evening out in Austin to celebrate. But I could see shelling out for a long football weekend in Phoenix or Seattle or wherever.

But those 4000 don’t matter. It’s the rest of us who (1) sit on our asses back home and turn on the TV for road games, and (2) will pay more and more for the chance to see big games at home. And more importantly, it’s everyone else in the country who pays directly or indirectly for a TV network that shows in-demand games. Content!

Once you get your head around the fact that the old SWC is dead and gone forever (and I admit – I miss those days, too, but the world has changed), then the Pac-10 `> Super Pacific West Desert Mountain Whatever Conference makes more sense than the Big 12 does now.

F U dolphin.

The Pac 10 makes less money than the Big 12. They still make less money per team even by addding a team and making an extra ~12 mil on the conference championship.

Texas gets 10 mil per year now, which is about 4 mil more than the even split for every team in the pac 10. We are not going to walk in there and demand uneven revenue sharing like we have now. We are also not going to walk into the conference and magically make an additional 4 million for EVERY SCHOOL in the league. The pac 10 is not a greener pasture. We would make less money, end of story.

So why the hell then does everyone think that the Big 12 is so much worse than every other conference and that Texas would be willing to jump ship to the Pac 10? The Big 10 and SEC are the only other conferences that make more money (and I could see going to the Big 10). Considering that, the Big 12 should be just as attractive to another decent TV market school not in those 2 conferences (my preference would be to try to grab Arizona market). If the big 12 were to grab another top 20 market (Phoenix = 13), that would give them a lot of options and bargaining power to make more money either through a Big 12 network or a reworked TV deal.

Texas would have to make concessions to split money evenly however. But that is unavoidalbe whether the Big 12 expands or Texas jumps ship.

XOVERX gets it.

XOVERX writes:
“The crown jewel of college football (read: $$$) is Texas. If I ran one of the other major conferences my number one objective would be Texas.”

Unless, of course, you envy Texas or maybe hate Texas for what it is and for what it did to the likes of NU, TCU, SMU, Houston and others.

Then your agenda might be to bring Texas down a notch.

UT_06

But that assumes TV contracts are static. Any conference that adds TEXAS would not continue with the same contract.

The PAC 10 couldn’t negotiate better than the 5th best TV contract the last time around. Why should we expect them to negotiate a contract that nets at least 36 million more? That is the minimum amount they’d need to get for Texas just to BREAK EVEN. Not get more money. Break. Even.

From a financial and academic point of view Big 10 would be the best for Texas and A$M.

SEC will have to counter and either raid Big 12 or ACC.

A PAC-16 with the best of Big 12 and Pac-10 would be good but I’m not clear whether or not it will get a good TV deal.

Texas can go wherever they want to go.

Too bad no one here has a clue about where Texas wants to go.

Blogs are like tales told by idiots. Full of sound and fury signifying nothing. Actually less than nothing when it is a sports blog.

People let me tell you ‘bout my best friend,
He’s a warm hearted person who’ll love me till the end.
People let me tell you ‘bout my best friend,
He’s a one boy cuddly toy, my up, my down, my pride and joy.

Bill Bixby-how dare you!You lout! Barking Carnival is like a slice of Americana (and Canadacana). The Barkers were even at The Million Man March.

Who cares about what Texas did to Houston, SMU, TCU, etc. THe SWC sucked!!! It held and kept Texas Down for many many decades. For such a storied program, it only won less than a handful of championships! It never came close to the glory of USC, Notre Dame, Michigan!!! They won more championships because these schools had a national vision instead of being in a myopic conference locked in one state! Texas really came out of its shell and gained national respect when it joined the BIG 12. Now with the Big 12 possibly going under, Texas should join the PAC 10 along with potential others such as OU, Colorado, etc. Why the aggies have to tag along—who knows…but why not!? It will be cool to see Texas, Oklahoma, and USC under the same conference. Screw the Big 10!