More Things To Know About Conference Realignment

Scenario 4: Texas and a&m both go to the Big 10 along with Mizzou and Nebraska.

Scenario 5: The Big 12 collapses, and Texas joins the Big East. Surprised no one has mentioned this as a legitimate possibility…

WHAT ABOUT UTAH???

Sorry if this is adding to the stupidity, but how bout an 8 team conference centered around the state of TX. UT, A&M, Tech, Baylor, OU, OSU, KU, KSU or CU. The idea being to split up basically the same size pie (Texas has a lot of TV’s) 8 ways instead of 12, keep rivalries, geography, etc. There wouldn’t be a CCG, but there would be an extra spot on the schedule for every school to add a marquee nonconference game (with a rule against Div-IAA games or something).

I know nobody really wants to go back to the SWC or Big 8, but if revenue per school could be increased and retain the regional football tradition, the politics may work. I have no problem with going to the PAC 10, but somehow don’t like the idea that the best football state in the nation won’t really have a conference identity.

Scenario 6: The Big 12 collapses, and Texas shuts down football to better compete against A&M in their dominant programs: Equestrian and Archery.

I see that as likely a scenario as #5.

Scenario 3 is bad. Population. Yay. That population hasn’t been and will continue not to watch the Pac 10, even if Texas (and A&M if they come along) is included. That is why the TV contract sucks for the Pac 10 now even though they still had the population when it was signed. Networks will not pay more money to make the Pac-10+ contract comprable to the Big 10s or SECs since the TV ratings would be terrible for any game not including USC or UT.

We really need to get the BEVO network going so that the conference dance isn’t as important. And so that I have an easier time watching every single football, basketball, and baseball game.

texastough – a lot of that revenue ($14 mil) comes from that CG that would no longer exist. 12(+) team leagues are the future for every conference. That is going backwards.

I still don’t see the reasoning behind the 14 or 16 team ‘super’ conferences. The $ from the conference championship game is not going to go up, so that will get split more ways. For the big 10 and SEC they’d have to add 2 teams that could get them $40 million extra in contracts to equal their current $/school (for the big 10 that is after already adding 12th team). To add 4 teams you need to get $80 million. I think Texas could pull its weight, but I’m not sure that there are really that many more teams out there that could.

ND certainly would. I could see Nebraska adding that much. But of the other teams discussed, do any of them fit the bill: Mizzou, CU, syracuse, BYU/Utah?

As long as we keep Tech in the mix we’ll have all of the TV sets we’ll ever need!

Scenario 7 – Neb and Mizzou bolt for the Big 10, the rest of us stand pat as a 10 team conference, and form a TV Alliance with the Pac 10. That way, we get rid of the stupid North-South division and play everyone in the conference, plus add 1-2 OOC games with the Pac 10. Rather than have a conference championship, we play a bi-conference championship with the Pac 10. The winner is in a better position to play for a NC. The loser is still a conference champion, so still goes to a BCS bowl.

If Nebraska and Mizz. leave, then I hope Texas changes Conferences.

I’d prefer the Big 10, but I don’t see that happening.

The SEC would be cool for Texas, but I don’t really see that either.

My guess would be Texas to the PAC 10. That would be fine with me.

If Texas goes to the PAC 10, then I also hope A&M comes with Texas to the PAC 10. Bring Oklahoma to the PAC 10 as well.

When is notre dame’s television contract up? Maybe UT could go independent and work out a combined television contract with just itself and notre dame. That way NBC (or whoever) could show a double-header every saturday with two of the most watched programs in the country. And you could provide extra content by building on BEVO-D. They are also the two most hated schools so they’ve got that going for them. I know this UT as independent idea hasn’t gotten much run in the conference re-alignment talks, but maybe it makes a little sense if you can get a UT-ND partnership going.

As far as scheduling goes, UT could then play OU, A&M, and Arkansas every year. I’d also like to see a UT-UCLA rivalry every year, kind of like Notre Dame has with USC.

I know that for several reasons previously mentioned (including the A&M-UT hip glue) the above idea is far fetched but I thought I would throw it out there.

Note- I did not try to list all imaginable scenarios, just possible scenarios, given what has been stated by the Texas AD. No Big East for Texas, and the Big 10 and SEC are not options unless dominoes fall in a manner unpredicted by Bellmont.

06_UT, you keep harping on tv ratings, as if you think that is the main revenue driver. It isn’t. Advertising dollars and cable subscriptions drive revenue. The west coast college football viewer is desirable to advertisers. Combining Texas with the Pac-10 package dramatically increses the value of the tv contracts because it provides better quality games to each tranche of the conference package. Note- this is why the Big 12 TV contract is so much better than what the Big 8 and SWC had combined. The exercise to play is ask yourself- given this configuration, what is the best game each weekend? the secon best? the third best. In the SWC, the third best game on a typical Saturday was TCU/BU or something awful like that. The Big 8’s thrid best was ISU/KSU. The Big 12’s third best is Missouri/TT. See the difference? In an upscaled Pac-10, the two best games would invoolve Texas or USC. The third best would be Cal/Colorado or something.

Also, the PAC-10 hired the guy who used to be the Big 12 commissioner, and who set up the Big 10 network. They would like to force the cable companies in California, Oregon, Washington, Texas, and Arizona to make the PAC-10 network a part of the basic package. Think there’s money in that?

So, please 06_UT, stop posting that this is fool’s gold. These people know what they’re doing.

“the Big 10 and SEC are not options unless dominoes fall in a manner unpredicted by Bellmont.”

The Big 10 option is very much in play. Let’s see what Notre Dame does, assuming both Nebraska and Mizzou take off.

Good, clear stuff.

My only qualm was when TCU and Coug High were compared to Louisville. Louisville is a remarkably valuable chip in collegiate athletics.

i too wonder how profitable an independent status, with affiliation in lower tier sports, would be. and it is with those lower tier sports I think Bellmont is concerned about, re: independence.

Dodds, it appears, is looking west. that immediately discounts BigEast, B10, ACC or SEC. Period. Think we’re gonna join the WAC?! MountainWest?! Pshaw!

Then the logic turns to who come with us? and how big will this all get? there have been projections on here and other places regarding a possible combo, Western Alliance, combining elements from the MWC, WAC, P10 and B12. and if the trend is proceeding toward 14/16 team ‘super’ conferences, then the syllogism holds that a western super conference be born.

so the question(s) THEN become(s):
ONE… How many teams?
TWO… From where do these teams originate?
THREE… The leadership for this conception comes form WHOM?
FOUR… Organized in what way?
and
FIVE… WHEN will this be born?!

ONE… i say 16
TWO… 10 from the Pac 10, 4 from the B12 – UT, TAMU, KU, CU – and 1 each from MWC/WAC to deliver SLC
THREE… I think it comes from Bellmont and Berkeley. No matter what anyone says out in LA, Cal serves as THE institutional leader in the Pac 10. As the Bears go, so does the Pac 10…
FOUR… The East West divisional thing seems very likely. CA, OR and WA intrastate teams with the UT and AZ schools along with B12 holdovers. CCG and conf tourny sites rotate on an annual basis between Glendale and Denver…
FIVE… probably never. If not then, well, what, Two Years?!

Thoughts?

Couple of thoughts….

- Byrne is a perfect fit for his post. I’m convinced he’ll have almost no say in any move A&M makes.

- Although not very sexy from a fan perspective, I think there’s a possibility of Texas sweeping up in-state schools (think old SWC) and creating their own TV network. The scenario is somewhat akin to the Big 12 (where UT exerts considerable influence) and somewhat like becoming independent.

- As much as fans want this to happen in the next 60 days, this whole process is likely to take years to completely unfold.

I like scagnetti’s idea. If there is going to be change, we don’t have to be the first to move. However, it would be good to make a move that is more future oriented than step-by-step. If we know where college football is going, let’s find some like minded people and go all out. Easier said than done.

You stop posting your ignorant remarks about Texas to the Pac-10 being a boon, and I’ll stop telling you it is foolish.

Use some fucking common sense. If the Pac-10 already had some ability to make the advertising dollars and cable subsrciptions drive their TV contracts up (and holy shit, advertising dollars and cable subscitions are directly related to ratings/viewrship), then they wouldn’t be making less money than the fucking ACC.

The third best team is likely Nebraska vs someone unless they are playing OU or UT (or UT is playing OU). The third best game in the Big 12 currently is better than the 3rd best game in the Pac 10, even if that game is Tech/Mizzou or A&M/OSU. If UT went to the Pac-10, the third best game is at BEST equivalent to the third best game in the current Big 12. More often it is worse because there is such a drop off after USC.

Now you are talking about something different with the Pac10-Big12 alliance. Yes, that could obviously put together a better 3rd game every weekend. That would have a very good chance at getting a larger contract, but that would also be split more ways.

Great, they hired a former Big 12 commish. Things are going so fucking well over here. I’m sure he’ll do a great job for them. I’m glad they WANT the cable companies to carry their network and pay them lots of money. I’m sure the cable companies won’t tell them to take less money or go fuck themselves because no one watches them anyway.

You obviously have such a great handle on this. Thank you for informing all of us that either 1) no teams go, 2) some teams go and things get worse, or 3) all teams go in the long run.

06_UT is making me laugh.

You know, 06_UT, why this blog is popular? It isn’t because it has different subject matter than orangebloods or hornfans. It isn’t even that it has different content (all of the barkers here used to post on those sites).

It’s because people here control themselves and resist the urge to devolve into a yelling match over inane bullshit. It’s because people here avoid pissing matches. In a pissing match, it doesn’t matter who wins, because both people get caught whipping their junk out in public.

He’s quite cantankerous of late. We’re all on the same team. He should save the vitriol for trolls.

I’ll chalk it up to him missing football. Maybe he should discover another sport with methadonic results.

Ditto.

Expected pay out for the 2010 bowl season: http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bowl_games_bowl_schedule.html

Payouts not including BCS games (each gets 1 plus possible NCG)
SEC – 20,275,000 / 2,534,375 per school
Big 10 – 12,962,500* / 1,972,500
ACC – 11,980,000 / 1,711,429
Big 12 – 11,862,500* / 1,972,500
Pac 10 – 8,150,000 / 1,630,000

• - there were 2 games that have not been set. I just used 1,000,00 even though it is likely they will be worth more

Notice that the Pac-10 makes less per team even than the ACC. I’m sure that’s not because they less people watch those games, and they can’t get advertising dollars for the games the Pac-10 teams play in…

It is also interesting to note the HUGE gap between the SEC and everyone in total revenue. They get more money per bowl and they have more tie-ins.

Nice use of adjectives, magnus.

Nero, I guess it depends on your junk, and the proximity of said junk to law enforcement.

I get cankerous when the ‘expert’ on the thread tells me to stop posting my questions and reasoning because he and the some guy the Pac 10 hired are smarter than me and everyone else. Notice the difference in tone between post 1-2 and post number 3.

I also don’t like looking a pig ass holes. I’m guess I have about another 24 hours of that.

In no way did I insinuate that you had mouth sores.

I read through the lines.

Advertising dollars and cable subscriptions drive revenue. The west coast college football viewer is desirable to advertisers.

TV ratings may not be the main revenue driver, but they’re not an inconsequential factor. At the end of the day, the ‘west coast college football viewer’ may indeed be desirable to advertisers, but based on the portion of my life I spent there, I’d say they’re very much a niche market. It’s somewhat analogous to Rutgers/Syracuse potentially bringing that famed NYC TV market to the Big 10. Sure, the market itself is huge, but it absolutely lacks the passion for college football that you see in the SEC markets and Texas, and I question just how big it will eventually be for that purpose. I think that’s the X-factor for the college game as opposed to the NFL – the athletes surely aren’t better, but the passion outweighs the pro version by a wide margin. Just not necessarily on the west coast…

That said, the sheer scope of the population can’t be ignored. Even if you only have a small portion of it that’s truly engaged, that’s a lot of viewers. And a lot better television than anything in Manhattan, KS. I’m sure whatever TV networks get involved will be thinking of lots and lots of coed shots in Texas, Arizona and California.

Also, I should disclose that I lived in the Bay Area, and that’s probably the very lowest end of the passion spectrum when it comes to college football. You really can’t watch a game at Autzen stadium and think there’s a lack of passion…

Scenario 8 – Expand Big 12 (post Nebraska/Mizzou) add new members (in emerging markets) on a conditional basis (less share, other probationary conditions):

Candidates include:

Boise St (Boise, #112 market (Northwest)
Utah (SLC, #31 market)
BYU (SLC, #31 market)
New Mexico (Albuquerque, #44 market)
UNLV (Vegas, #42 market)
TCU (Share, DFW market)
Tulane (NO, #51 market)
Air Force Academy
San Diego St (#28 market)

Probationary conditions include

1) Removing blue field for Boise St
2) Enhanced academic standards for student-athletes for some of those universities

This scenario could greatly expand the quality of games and market of the Big XII (mostly a western push). These are also mostly emerging markets (as opposed to the Big 10). Revenue sharing would have to be adjusted in favor of the winning teams to make it palpable for Texas, OU. And, Texas would need to be allowed to offer their own network.

I may have missed this over the past few weeks, but to go back to the beginning….

if the Big 10 is already a “Have” regarding tv contracts and revenue sharing, why are they making the first move? Are they that worried about the SEC’s new contract? Or is it that annoying to have 11 teams that they are just trying to expand to get to an even number?

Some of this is a bit simplistic (“Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”) The Big 12 won’t ‘die’ as long as 4 or more teams remain. Wasn’t the BCS requirement to have 6 or more teams that have been in conference 5 or more years recently dropped? If it takes 9 votes to change revenue distribution, wouldn’t it also take 9 to dissolve the conference? I’m sure NE, MO, UT, A&M, OU, and CO would love to disband the conference and eliminate the leaving fees, but it is hard to see 9 teams being taken into the SEC, Big Fifteen, and Pac Whatever. Where else is ISU, KSU and Baylor going to go? Tech or OK St could get lucky, but probably not both.

I assume that within the next 14 months at least NE, MO, CO, OU, UT, and A&M will accept invites to other conferences. The Big 12 leftovers will still have the coveted BCS automatic qualifier, which will be a magnet for hungry schools wanting to step up. So it can reload with a choice of schools like BYU, TCU, UH, and leftovers such as Louisville, WV, and S. Florida if the Big East ‘s football side can’t recover (they’re in a different situation where their already question AQ status is more likely to be lost.) The Big 12 will be a poor conference like the MWC and WAC are now, but those have been able get by. The Big 12 can probably accumulate enough Top 25ish teams to get TV and cable contracts, Versus still needs content. We’ll be long gone, but Baylor, KSU, and UH will probably be able to compete for Fiesta Bowl berths.

What about independence? We could get our own huge TV contract like Notre Dame and not have to worry about a conference championship game screwing up our season like in 2001 and almost in 2009.

Hey, guess what we call Boise State in a real conference? Texas Tech.

Guess what we call TCU in a real conference? Auburn (at best).

Utah? Missouri.

Point being: pipe dreams, all of them.

BTW — I care only about football, because really, who should I care about anything else? Although that chick who scalped the BYU soccer player probably likes to party and is OK with me.

TaylorT-

“Hopefully, this will make future discussions smarter.”

Ha, ha, ha, ha

“if the Big 10 is already a "Have" regarding tv contracts and revenue sharing, why are they making the first move?”

Just my guess, but they have been wanting a 12th team for years so they could have a conf. championship game (ie more revenue). With all of talk of superconferences over the last 18 months, why just add one now if they may need more in the future. First team to do the inviting will probably get the best of what his available. This is what really worries me about UT being reactionary to this.

You know, 06_UT, why this blog is popular? It isn’t because it has different subject matter than orangebloods or hornfans. It isn’t even that it has different content (all of the barkers here used to post on those sites).

It’s because people here control themselves and resist the urge to devolve into a yelling match over inane bullshit.

Nah, I’m pretty sure people come to BC for the cornholing pig butts.

Texas A&M. . . . their Athletic Director hates Texas.

He clearly refers to us as “our friends in the state capital.”

I don’t see how it gets any clearer than that.

Scenario 9: University presidents and ADs come to their senses and give up intercollegiate football for intramurals and more time in the classroom, mother fuckers.

“I get cankerous when the ‘expert’ on the thread tells me to stop posting my questions and reasoning”

So far, your reasoning consists of pointing out that the current PAC-10 TV contract pays less per school than the current Big 12 contract, and you keep repeating that like it’s some kind of QED. Question- If you take Texas out of the Big 12, what does that do to the conference’s TV contract? If you put Texas in the PAC-10, what does that do to the PAC-10 TV contract?

This is not happening because Texas wants to blow up the Big 12 for a couple million more dollars. It happens when other schools leave the Big 12, putting it into a downward spiral. Wishing things could just stay the same is pointless. Change will happen, and Bellmont is doing its job preparing for it.

Great stuff

Man, the usernames around here sure are getting weird.

“Change will happen, and Bellmont is doing its job preparing for it.”

Bellmont wants a UT Network and to stay the big dog in the Big XII, which means the Big XII needs to expand. By adding potential viewership in Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, Albuquerque & San Diego, Texas could better leverage its on network and at the same time expand the Big XII into emerging markets (the very opposite of the Big 10). One reason this won’t happen is because of academics.

Rick Perry controls every Regent on Tech, A&M and UT. Nothing will happen without his say so. Lots of favors will be traded to ensure that A&M and Tech ride our coat-tails. There will be no going to the Big 10 or SEC. Forget about it. It’s a moot point.

“By adding potential viewership in Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, Albuquerque & San Diego, Texas could better leverage its on network.”

Am I missing the attractiveness of these cites from a HWT and HUT standpoint?

I think you mean mute point there, eskimo.

As a former West Coaster, I’d love to see a move to the Pac-10 if the situation warrants that drastic move. It’d be great to not only see my people that litter the coast (I meant inhabit the coast, Cal fan) but also some Horn football as well.

But for the life of me, I can’t figure out why the topic is so polarizing. Short of being stuck in the AFC South, there’s no way we get short sticked. Things will work out swimmingly for us.

Anybody who’s ever been the big stack at the poker table understands leverage. We’re Phil Ivey.

OU is Worm.

Actually, I’ve quoted numbers for the conference TV revenue, estimated how much $ it would take for Texas to make an equivalent profit from jumping, market size, stadium capacity, % attendance, and bowl pay out. This has been in an attempt to point out that there isn’t as much fan/viewer suport for the Pac 10 and it is only more profitable than the Big East. All of this dispite the fact that it already has a huge population base. Your response has been “TV ratings don’t matter because it is about advertising” (how does a network sell ads if no one watches the programming?) and “these people are smart.”

Also, since you haven’t noticed, I’ve never said I don’t want change. As far as the Big 12 is concerned something does need to happen. The disparity between the Big 10/SEC revenue is rediculous. But that is true for every other conference. While joining the Pac-10 is certainly an option, it is not the only one, and I’ve given quite a few reasons that you’ve dismissed or ignored for why it is not the best option.

As far as what happens to the Big 12 and Pac 10 if Texas leaves, that is a good question.

Obviously, the Pac-10’s contract would get better. But how much? You are still left with a lot of boring late night games once you get done showing Texas and USC. I’ve already pointed out that the new contract would need to provide about 36 million more than the current contract to break even. That is about a 50% increase for the Pac-10. Is it worth it for Texas to jump to break even or increas revenue only to 1 or 2 million? I say no. If the deal doesn’t get us close to Big10/SEC levels, then we’re doing something wrong. I wouldn’t expect a new deal with the Pac 10 to be worth 90+ million.

As far as the Big 12 goes, Nebraska and OU would be the best 2 games on each weekend initially. Obviously, that is a set back. However, if we are talking about just Texas leaving, A&M would be the 3rd team in the Big 12. I actually think A&M would be positioned to go toe-toe with OU for the south, and within a few years be able to provide a similar draw that Texas does. If Texas leaves, doesn’t the Big 12 turn into SEC-lite as far as recruiting practices/academic standards go? A&M has the resources and money to take advantage of that situation. In that case, the Big 12 keeps plugging along at more or less the same level it has been. Not necessarily a good thing, but possibly a better option for most members than breaking up.

Maybe the Pac-10 and Big 12 flip spots if Texas leaves and joins the Pac-10. I’m not sure I see much long term upside than that. I do think there is quite a bit of ‘easy’ short term upside in a Pac-10/Big 12 TV agreement.

edit – should be “I wouldn’t expect a new deal with the Pac 10 to be worth 90+ million more than they are already making”

“I think you mean mute point there, eskimo.”

Um, no, it’s “moo”. Like, who cares what a cow thinks. It’s moo.

4 years out of school and still ready to rule the world…

“Am I missing the attractiveness of these cites from a HWT and HUT standpoint?”

4 Top 50 markets. Would almost double the # of Top 50 markets in Big XII (without Lincoln, St. Louis). Adding Oklahoma and Texas games would increase viewership in these markets, including a possible PAC-10 tie-in. Adding Kansas, Texas would help in basketball. Looking down the road in 10 years, Households With TVs and Households Using TVs will expand in Texas & the West, while it will continue to shrink in Big 10 country (Detroit, Cleveland, Philadelphia, St Louis). You’re also looking at a younger demo across the board.

All this would factor in UT’s plan for its own cable network, one that could be sold beyond Texas. It would bring in cable/satellite subscriber fees and advertising (based on potential HWT & HUT). The bigger the market, the better.

Thanks, Eskimo – I hadn’t bother to see if those markets (28th, 31, 42, and 44 according to above) were decisively better than what we had now. I’d figured the loss of STL would sting more – but its only 21 (really?).

the ags are in a bad place.

the whole country sees them as our little brother, and whatever circumstance that would end them up in the same conference with us will be seen as them tagging along. hell, i would see it as that. pretty much that way regardless of what is said about it.

they almost have to go somewhere else to break that perception nationally.

What does Scipio think?

“If the deal doesn’t get us close to Big10/SEC levels, then we’re doing something wrong.”

Agreed. There is no reason why over 20 schools should be making more tv money than us. Texas needs to start flipping some lunch trays and sitting at whatever table it wants.

I still disagree on your point #4. Whenever a NY team places a West coast team in the playoffs. The west coast home games are all STILL ON AT 9:30!#*

Wouldn’t the nbf’in A want more than people in the west coast to watch that game?? Of course. But they cowtow to the west coast so that they can have the game on at a convenient time for the WEST COAST> Why would that change for Texas if we’d be the ONLY team to be in the Central time zone. I hope you are right, but all evidences point otherwise.

Even IF Texas is afforded better start times in football… why would those same motivations exist in Baseball or Basketball??

“There is no reason why over 20 schools should be making more tv money than us. Texas needs to start flipping some lunch trays and sitting at whatever table it wants.”

Amen Brother

Also why does UT 06 focus on asshole. I see bacon.

Donny, who sets game start times? Networks, by selecting games for predetermined slots, per defined selection order. I expect Texas to have it in the TV contract that their games can’t start later than 8:00 PM cst. The Cali teams will want similar rules for games here. Without such a guideline in the TV contract, what you describe will happen.

if the Big 10 is already a "Have" regarding tv contracts and revenue sharing, why are they making the first move? Are they that worried about the SEC’s new contract? Or is it that annoying to have 11 teams that they are just trying to expand to get to an even number?

A.) They have seen that their Big 10 Network has been a success at a level even they didn’t dream could happen so quickly. They are being proactive in getting a conference championship game, and leveraging the network for greater access to carriers outside their home footprint.

B.) They are trying to corner Notre Dame into a game of chicken where the Fighting Irish would finally agree to join the league.

I think you are eating the wrong part of the pig.

It’s too late for scenario 1. That ship sailed a long time ago. This Big 12 / Pac 10 “alliance” just wreaks of desperation from Beebe.

I’m a K-Stater. I would hate to see the Big 12 disband. I love beating Texas every few years. Just kidding.

The formation of Megaconferences may be the only way to get to a football playoff. There will eventually be 4 megaconferences (that is if our economy doesn’t collapse before then). Whenever the economy does tank then China will probably decide who plays in what conference.

Can we get an open thread for Aztec Jaguar vs Zande Warrior? I think the Aztecs win this one in OT.

Zande Warrior wins every time.

The zande’s thrown weapon was just brutal. The numbers were pretty close (52% vs 48). Seems about right for one on one or small groups. I think if it was comparing larger battlefields (say 100+ per side) the edge would have gone to the Aztecs. Their spear/thrown weapon had some very good range. They could probably kill or injure enough of the Zande to have an advantage in numbers once things got close.

Eskimo, I would add Memphis(#50 market) to your list. And I agree – if you’re the Big 12, what else can you do but try to expand into the best available markets? Adding BYU and Utah to the North would make it a legit FB division again, while any subsequent dilution of the South(NM, UNLV, Memphis etc.) would actually be welcome at this point.

That’s a perspective I’d like to hear an opinion on from Taylor et al – if you were in charge of the Big 12 right now, what would you be trying to do, and how would you sell it to the member schools(esp. NEB and Mizzou)? All of the above scenarios seem to be predicated on the assumption that the B12 is quite content to simply sit back and be picked apart. I don’t know, maybe that’s the case.

Scenario 1A, the likeliest: CU goes to Pac-10. Mizzou and NU head to heaven. Texas is left holding a bag of nothing, their true fault for not fully revenue sharing. The rest of the Big XII turns on Texas, but they all realize the NEED each other. The Big XII acts fast, but not fast enough to attract Utah who also heads to the Pac-10. Pac-12 is now full and satisfied.

The rest of Big XII with Texas as flagship must ask SWC retreads to rejoin a conference they were kicked out of 14 years ago. SMU, TCU and Houston go to Big XII. It is now rendered the most useless BCS conference with most of the TV sets in one state, just like the old SWC. It smells like the dead carcass of the old SWC.

Texas remains the flagship of Conference Dead Carcass. Congrats Texas. Wash down that bad taste with a bottle of vinegar.

N!

“their true fault for not fully revenue sharing.”

Ah, a microcosm of one of society’s most obvious ills. Freeloading.

After Nebraska drops another smooth 126 total yards on us, I expect they’ll want to change conferences too.

HuskerProphet…bitter much?

trkhorn: from a few months ago, but…

http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2010/02/16/can-this-marriage-be-saved/

I can’t help but wonder who Nebraska and Dr Tom are going to blame for their continued mediocrity when the Big 10 doesn’t allow them to load up on partial qualifiers either? I assume it will be Michigan, the Texas of the Big 10 (current football mediocrity not withstanding).

Despite this rumor of Nebraska’s invite to the Big 10 (which NU has denied) I still don’t see why the Big 10 would invite them. Their academics are mediocre at best and their research standing is abysmal. That doesn’t fit with the Big 10’s academic culture at all.

Not to mention that the only thing they bring to the table is success at football which ended nearly fifteen years ago and is now only occasionally a contender for the divisional title in a conference division which is inferior to three or four mid-major conferences. Their basketball and baseball teams would come in the bottom three in the MWC or Conference USA. Their fanbase, while admittedly very engaged and significant in size nationally, is too dispersed (most NU graduates end up moving to more populous states) to bring much to the table for the Big 10 network which is regional in nature. All those Husker fans living in Arizona (and there are a crapload of them_ aren’t going to have the opportunity to subscribe to the BTN.

Missouri suffers some of these disadvantages (most notably bad academics and research, though not as bad as NU) but not all of them. I see them as more likely.

husker profit—Perhaps a name change to Husker Wishful thinker is in order. If you think Texas is going to be in a worse situation when all this shakes out you don’t understand the way of the world. Unfortunately for you, money means something and Texas generates more of it than anyone else.

Please tell me again why Texas needs to subsidize Nebraska? If you’re as important as you seem to think you are the revenue sharing plan in the Big 12 would be beneficial for you too. My understanding is the teams that bring in the most money make the most money. Seems fair to me.

Your real bitterness has nothing to do with the lack of equal revenue sharing and is actually related to your completely mediocre football program since the beginning of the Big 12.

Your mediocrity has little to do with Texas—correlation is not causation—your mediocrity was/is a product of your hiring decisions vis-a-vis “our friend from college station” and Bill Callahan.

Please go away.

The weakness of the current Pac-10 TV contract is driven by several factors, but chief among them is that it’s been a one-team conference for most of Carroll’s reign.

Adding Texas to that mix creates an instant conference rivalry game (vs USC) that could compete with the major rivalries of the Big 10 and SEC. National-interest games = bigger TV contracts, especially when the game involves the #2 TV market in the nation. It also becomes a good deal easier to create a viable basic-cable tier conference TV network.

Husker Prophet – saying Texas “needs” Nebraska is, at this point anyway, much like saying USC “needs” Cal.

The correct viewpoint is that Cal doesn’t HURT USC as much as Washington State or the true Pac-10 bottom feeders, but Cal could easily be replaced by Colorado or A&M and it wouldn’t change the economic dynamic for USC much if at all.

“Missouri suffers some of these disadvantages (most notably bad academics and research, though not as bad as NU) but not all of them. I see them as more likely.”

Mizzou is a member of Association of American Universities, so I’m not sure what research disadvantage you’re talking about.

I hope HuskerProphet sticks around. I miss the Entitled Big Red Fan that still has a signed Eric Crouch Heisman picture on his office wall staring down at a Tommie Frazier throwback bobblehead.

It seems like just yesterday that we were preparing for Y2K and Texas was coming off a loss to Nebraska. I kind of like how much hatred is brewing with Nebraska. We should move to the Big Ten and continue to beat their ass.

You believe that Texas would be UNFAIRLY blamed for the dissolution of the Big 12, yet you state that the Horns will not budge on their refusal to consent to a TV network that would represent the entire Conference? BEVO-D? LOL! Do you realize how arrogant it is for Texas to refuse to agree to a Big 12 network in favor of its own network? Do you understand how incredibly arrogant and divisive that is? Do you understand how fans of other Big 12 teams perceive that? Texas insists (and succeeds) on getting its way on every single Conference policy. Nebraska has had enough of this nonsense.

hodad, the attractiveness of NU is based on the future web-based broadcasting markets. Those NU fans around the country will be able to subscribe to the Big 10 network through their computers, and represent a sizable market.

Puzzled, Texas and NU both have resisted a Big 12 network. Did you not know that? I still say that the team that leaves the conference is more responsible for its dissolution than the team that stays.

Taylor,

I was at your workplace yesterday afternoon and this morning and never thought to call. What the hell is wrong with me?

Someone please put up a new post, dammit.

Can we invite Boise to join the Big 12 so they’ll actually have to play more than one football teams with a pulse all year, for one whole year, then once they’ve come down from their bullshit “we get no respect” cloud, we can kick them back to the wac.

“Texas insists (and succeeds) on getting its way on every single Conference policy.”
I bet everyone would love Texas if they would just give in once in awhile. That would definitely be the key to peace and harmony.

Yeah, we kicked ass on getting them to change their inane tiebreaker rule last offseason to prevent the kind of pig cornholing we got the previous season.

sometimes the arrogance makes it hard to see, breath, think etc.
all this talk about dilution and legitimate FB teams and conferences and such are denying the fact
that several MWC teams and Boise have already proven themselves. It may not be complete parity yet but it has been heading in that direction
In fact, I’m willing to bet Boise’s TV ratings arent half bad….that hideous turf notwithstanding. I’m an average college football fan who has never been to Idaho and I watch Boise almost every chance I get

Blue turf is just wrong, doesn’t matter if you are good. Blue turf, seriuosly?

Royalty Check,
you are not an average college football fan. The average college football fan has a team they love, which they watch and teams they hate which they also watch.

Texas has many, many, haters

Everyone else watches pro sports.

entertaining posts.. as a fan of the jayhawks my only goal is for the hawks to stay in the same conference as tejas in any realignment; mostly to recruit the heck out of a state chalk for of football players

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