Unequal Revenue Sharing in the Big 12

UT_06 just texted me that you’re full of crap.

Put’m up, put’m up.

Valid points all Taylor-but IMO, the times are now favoring the equal sharing of TV revenue.

Hell revenue sharing is the cornerstone of the NFL — and BCS football is moving closer to the NFL template — fewer teams involved at that level, which means they all are invested in the survival of each other.

Texas, and the other elite, will always have other revenue streams to enhance their bottom line, whether it is luxury boxes, PSL’s, local media rights, signage, etc. The stakes are being raised by the current climate of expansion and contraction. I believe it is important that wherever Texas lands that all the programs live by the old saying:

“We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”

A BigPac20 alliance could churn out more+betta matchups than any other conference. I assume that the Pac-half would want a majority of revenue due to population – would this be an impediment to getting the deal done, with Big12 schools worried about still being on the short end of the stick?

SRR, I agree, but think that the big revenue schools should insist that the small revenue schools commit to marketing, and put limits on D-1AA games.

Damn you and your damned facts.

It’s a whole lot easier to accept money than to actually work for it. Where else have I seen this play out?

The pig butt is dead!!

Long live the pig butt!

Why will a Pac 20 produce significantly more television revenue that the aggregate value of the current Pac 10 and Big 12 deals?

Who are the suitors?

1. ESPN/ABC – Have big money deals with both the Big 10 and the SEC. I imagine they would bid for the Pac 20, but if equal revenue sharing is required, the contract would need to generate $200 million a year to provide each institution with $10 million per year. The SEC’s combined CBS and ESPN contracts generate a little over 200 million per year. Is it realistic to believe that a Pac 20 could get SEC-type money? Unlikely, and that level of deal would only preserve Texas’ current television income.

2. CBS – They have a 15-year commitment to the SEC and aren’t interested in expanding their college football coverage.

3. NBC – NBC has ND and is not paying much for them. If ND joins the Big 10, they are a possible player, but they aren’t going to pay SEC money for a product that is going to get trounced in the ratings by the SEC and Big 10.

4. FOX – Fox is most frequently identified as the likely savior, but there is an elephant in the room. Fox owns 49% of the Big 10 Network and operates it for the Big 10. Their interests are far better served by adding the valuable Big 12 schools to the Big 10 than by funding a competitor to the Big 10.

Texas needs to sever itself from the dead weight in the Big 12 and either develop a new conference consisting of the remaining members of the Big 12 and Pac 10 that could produce the best TV deal or join the Big 10, where huge money is guaranteed.

Actually, Magnus, I agree with him here. And even if I didn’t, this was the last post needed to get rid of that god awful picture. I will forever be thankful to him just for that.

That said, I’ve been bored recently and thought about attending this:
http://houston.craigslist.org/act/1731729815.html

I’ll take anyone who steps in the ring/abandoned above ground pool.

The gaunltet has been thrown.

Also, bear in mind that the current Pac 10 and Big 12 football and basketball deals produce an aggrgate of $133 million per year. That deal would need to increase by 50%, assuming revenue sharing, just to keep Texas at $10 million per year in a Pac-20.

The one big problem I see with a Pac10/Big 12 TV deal is that instead of paying enough money to make it a good split when you consider the dead weights in one conference, the deal has to pay enough money to make it a goos split with the dead weights in 2 conferences. I’m staring at you Baylor, ISU, WSU, WU.

Actually, I assumed it is the two Washington schools, but I’m not sure. Who are the dead weights in the Pac 10?

Deep, read the post about the Big10 network. Adding something similar to a normal TV deal with a big network for the Pac 20 is what is being looked at. And with a Pac 20, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. A big network wants 2 or 3 marquee games every saturday. Neither the Big12 or the Pac10 can deliver that right now. A Pac20 most definitely could. Yes, the pie gets divided in more ways, and I don’t know the ultimate answer. But your assumption is not a foregone conclusion.

Massively better deal from a network for guaranteed marquee games + Pac20 network may very well equal Big10 money for every school.

Agreed, inequal revenue sharing is a red herring.

The demographics of the Big 12 territory are insurmountable. Low population, low population density = crappy TV revenue.

Texas and A&M are the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox of the Big 12. They are already sacrificing revenue to subsidize the rest of the league.

deadweight in Big 12:

KSU, ISU, OSU, BU,CU, TT

Deadweight in pac 10

Stanford, WSU, OSU

The population of the Big 12 and Big 10 was posted a couple of threads down. Here is the Pac10’s:

California – 36.9
Washington – 6.7
Arizona – 6.6
Oregon – 3.8

For kicks, i thought I’d throw in these:
Utah – 2.8
Nevada – 2.6
1.5

Sorry, Idaho was 1.5

Levander, I would love to sit down with you, have a beer, and discuss p*******. You know, that “P” word which we can’t speak of. And, I don’t mean va jay jay’s. Although…

I think we might be simpatico.

06, boxing in Pasadena? Sounds awesome. Pick me up in your lowrider.

Chem, Stanford = deadweight? Not at all. From a football standpoint, neither is OSU. Mike Riley is one of the top 5 coaches in CFB.

I would probably be a little out of place showing up in my “a little cooler than a soccer mom’s mini van” suv. I figured the part about “no pros, out of shape is ok” would apply to most of the people around here. I might need to borrow an undershirt from kid rock and get a translator though.

The only Big 12 football programs that are dead weight are BU(who made the elite eight in basketball) and ISU. The only one in the Pac-10 is WSU. Your list is ridiculous.

Look it’s not about winning, It’s about putting people in seats, eyes on TV.

Stanford is an incredible school and has 6800 undergraduates, and 8300 graduate students.

I’ve NEVER been in a bar and had someone say “Turn on the Stanford game.”

Watch if the Pac-10 does exploded Stanford isn’t getting an invite because it’ll be all about money at that point.

6 out out the big 12 are deadweights I picked CU because i live here in Colorado and the Buffs bring about as much of the Denver market as Nub does.

I’ll be glad to listen to MU or KU being the top of the deadweights.

‘I’ve NEVER been in a bar and had someone say "Turn on the Stanford game."’

That made me laugh.

magnus – plantains?

My views on the subject are principle-based, and I generally don’t give a damn if they are offensive or not. I believe that 90% of people in the ‘plantain’ business are corrupt and participate for their own enrichment and to enable their friends.

That sentiment should offend nearly everyone (or virtually no one).

Why does no one mention Comcast Sports/NBC anymore? Their presence in the broadcasting game is currently undefined. Are they not considered a huge player in conference realignment anymore?

I’ve NEVER been in a bar and had someone say "Turn on the Stanford game.

I have heart that.

Not sure what that says about me other than I lived in Stanford and Mountain View, CA for six years.

Yeah, those Sears’ Cups looks real shitty to the Pac-10.

ha ha ha ha!

Ugghhhhh…

heart = heard

Sears’ Cups: How much do advertisers pay for those?

ha ha ha ha!

Why does no one mention Comcast Sports/NBC anymore? Their presence in the broadcasting game is currently undefined. Are they not considered a huge player in conference realignment anymore?

They are still going through the regulatory review process. The FCC is taking public comments on the proposed buyout until July and now there are rumblings that the FCC will hold public hearings on the matter.

When is somebody going to step up and tell the truth about what’s really driving things?

It’s all “money this, money that,” but the real motivator is educational quality.

Learning talks, bullshit walks. That’s the way it’s always been, and always will be.

Stanford is the lone private school in the PAC10 and unless replaced by another with equal to better value they will not be removed.

Gotta keep those books private boys.

That only works for Stanford, not for everybody else.

“Stanford is the lone private school in the PAC10 and unless replaced by another with equal to better value they will not be removed.”

I think the only part of that sentence that is correct is “they will not be removed.”

We’re a public school?

I have a question. Everyone always points out that Texas makes more from the unequal revenue sharing, but Texas has also been extremely good at football and, to a lesser extent, basketball over the last ten years. I would think that ratings and revenue are driven by a combination of fanbase size and fanbase interest (winning). It’s easy to think we’ll always be good, but I was a sophomore for the 97-98 schoolyear when football, basketball, and baseball all had losing seasons. (You wondered if we would ever be a contender again.) My question is, did UT take in the most money back when we were mediocre in the ‘90s? After all, that’s when all the Big 12 negotiations were done.

Equal sharing among the conference is what you guys mean. That is no way close to the NFL model which is equal sharing across the entire set of teams. Equal sharing for all120+ FBS is what the non-BCS schools want. Hell might freeze over first, but there will be a lot of political pressure to for the Haves to resist.

“Learning talks, bullshit walks. That’s the way it’s always been, and always will be.”

I laughed.

There needs to be about 60 less D-1 teams. That would be a good start.

The main dead weight schools of the Big 12/Pac-10 are Baylor, ISU, KSU, and WSU.

Revenue sharing is the future or the present for everyone outside the Big 12. Do you think the SEC and Big 10 would be as dominant an overall conference without revenue sharing?

Despite how dominate you think UT sports are now, sports are cyclical. UT will not always be on top of the athletic world, let me repeat that again, UT will not always be on top of the athletic world. Like Hoju said just a few short years ago your Football, Basketball, and Baseball teams all had losing records. When you build a huge empire like UT it’s all kept stabilized based on winning, in particular winning at football. Unfortunately, sports and football are cyclical, NO ONE stays on top forever. If you’re AD is smart he would plan for a worst case scenario, because eventually UT football will take a step back, EVERYONE DOES and like it or not you’re going to need other conference members and revenue sharing to pick up the slack.

Tim, the problem with your argument is that in the early ’90s, when UT had a 50 – 48 – 2 record for its last 100 games, it still made more money than anyone else in the SWC.

I kind of think Tech is dead weight too. No offense to them. They are fun to watch (at least they were with the pirate, we’ll see what happens) and have been pretty competitive the last few years, but they are really just a UH or TCU that ended up in a BCS conference. They bring in more people than Baylore, but that isn’t saying much. If Tech was not in the Big 12, UT and A&M would still carry most of the state.

Just look at last year for an example:
Ttech played AT UH: 7.9 rating in houston for 258,000 people in Houston (1.5 nationally)
Tech plaedy AT UT: 10.9 rating in houston 364,000 watched in houston (4.3 nationally)

OU and Neb and far greater revenue generators for the Big XII than A&M. Hell with population densities of the different states, that is amateurish logic, all that matters is who is watching your product. See Nebraska averaging a 3.6 rating vs. Missou’s 2.0 for teams with similar schedules and results over the last year.

TV ratings of the Big Ten contenders

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sporting_blog/entry/view/58651/big-ten-expansion-talk-veers-towards-rutgers-for-some-reason

Additionally, Nebraska’s 2007 season was its worst in 45 years, and its tv revenue share was still almost as large as A&M’s for their Alamo bowl appearance.

Wow I can’t type. That happens when I’m trying to rush to get the free pizza and ice cream cake.

The numbers are a bit apples to oranges, but I’m just trying to point out that Tech doesn’t do the best job of carrying the second biggest market Houston (and Texas).

Texas vs OkSU: 8.9 in Houston
Texas vs A&M: 13.8 in H

I was hoping to find the Tech vs OkSu number. The numbers against A&M do not exist since it was not on TV.

I’m also not sure that Tech continues to be watched even as much as it is now if they take any kind of step backwards. People continue to watch Nebraska, OU, and Texas even when they are bad.

“I kind of think Tech is dead weight too. "

I don’t. I think they are a decent addition to any conference because they are at least average or above-average in: competitiveness, alumni base, facilities, fan support, commitment to football (they pay high salaries, etc. Although Tech will never be a first tier program, they are solid enough such that in most years when they are playing good to solid teams it makes for good television.

You are not going to have a conference full of heavy weights. What you want is one without a ton of deadwood — I’m looking at you ISU, KSU, and Baylor.

The USC/Nebraska game must have been a huge payoff. No bowl game and why would anyone not stranded in an I-80 truckstop watch any of their other non con games?

06_UT, in 2008 Texas Tech had 3 of the Top 10 highest rated games in College Football, more than any other Big 12 team. In 2009 Texas Tech had the highest rated Bowl Game in the history of ESPN. Texas Tech has set the current attendance records at UT’s stadium, OU’s stadium, and Nebraska’s stadium.

Now run along, try and twist those numbers and make excuses to fit your agenda.

That couldn’t have been a more “Tim like” post. Welcome back. I’m pretty sure 06’s agenda is to be correct.

We’ve discussed ‘08 plenty on here Timothy. You’ve been thoroughly disembowled already. Nice to see you regenerative insides.

“have”.

I hit submit on accident. It’s Friday, and all I can think about is my impending inebriation.

To recap ‘08. You were not the draw in any of those games. People don’t sit around and talk about Tech, Tim. Not the fans, and surely not the people who schedule the televised games.

Well done on having record numbers of people watching your team lose. Quite frankly, I can’t remember the Nebraska score, but I’m pretty sure your boys twatted up in that one.

And yet they couldn’t even get on TV when they played A&M. And Tech’s ratings take a nose dive when they are not playing UT or OU. Ok Tim. You are right.

Magnus – it is 3 pm on a Friday and you are still THINKING about your impending inebriation? What kind of viking are you?

The real dead weight that needs to be cut away from what is now the FBS (Div I) are all the non-BCS conferences.

Make them go have their own play-off and finish starving to death.

“To recap ‘08. You were not the draw in any of those games. People don’t sit around and talk about Tech, Tim. Not the fans, and surely not the people who schedule the televised games.

Well done on having record numbers of people watching your team lose. Quite frankly, I can’t remember the Nebraska score, but I’m pretty sure your boys twatted up in that one."

So you think that Tech wasn’t the draw in 2 of the 3 games they went in ranked higher and favored in 08’? Of course you also think Tech “twatted up” the Nebraska game, so that tells everyone what your opinion is worth.

Anything else you care to be completely wrong about?

Tim, good to have you back man. You’re incorrigible.

I’m looking forward to the Tuberville era. Will it be Spike Dykes II? A Dust-Devil Mike Sherman? How long before everyone misses Leach? One season?

I admitted I didn’t know the score of the NU game. Mainly because I don’t care.

Tim, being ranked higher doesn’t make you the draw, you big galoot. Next year if Butler played North Carolina, who would be the draw? Why do you insist on becoming a mockery of yourself?

06, not starting until 5 on a Friday is what I call pacing myself. Long after you guys are playing little spoon to your wife’s serving spoon, (or in the case of Tim, his partner) good ol Magno will still be going strong. Besides, I met Trips for lunch a few Fridays ago, and never made it back to work. Even magnusbleuveigner has to answer to someone. The boss wasn’t too thrilled about that one. Eff you TR.

That stupid coke commercial was the final straw, I hate that phrase.

I’m seriously looking forward to Tech domination in the future. I think they’ll kick major ass in the SWAC, or whichever worthless conference throws you a lifeline. You guys are always looking for a rival. Tech v N. Texas has a lovely ring to it.

Will people even remember that Tech exists by the end of the season? Things go similar to last year, and you’ll be done with Big 12 play and out of the running in the conference by November 13.

I’m sure everyone will be eagerly anticpating Webber State and Cougar High match ups at the end of the season. Tech vs UH will definitely be the big ratings winner Thanksgiving weekend.

I hear Tech and UH are planning a big half-way game every year in Abilene. That should draw Fox Sports Southwest!

Think they’ll be able to fill all the seats at the local high school?

I know they are doing all the heavy lifting and carrying the conference TV ratings at the start of the season with SMU and New Mexico, but I still can’t believe they decided to close out the season that way.

Toad, you think Tech wants any piece of UH? After last year, when they were totally outmatched. I was in a Lubbock* bar at the time of that game, and all the patrons were practically yelling in unison for the barkeep to turn the Coog game on.

*I have vowed to not set foot in that wasteland, so that wasn’t very honest of me to say. Harnessing Tim, imo.

“I’m looking forward to the Tuberville era.”

He gets to kick off his tenure with his first 3 games all televised, great way to start an era.

“Will it be Spike Dykes II?”

Let’s hope so, Spike Dykes had a better Big 12 record than Mike Leach.

“A Dust-Devil Mike Sherman?”

I don’t follow

 “How long before everyone misses Leach?”

Probably half-time of the SMU game when we’re down by 14 and only have 38 yards of offense.

One season?

He’ll probably get fired after his mentee tears his offense apart in September.

If Tim’s Dykes era II comes to pass, maybe North Texas won’t rough them up quite as badly (taking 3 of 4 from Tech) as they did in Dykes I. My question is whether Tim is really an ag imposter trying to make Tech fans look like ignorant hayseeds or whether he is what he appears: a UT grad trying to make Tech fans look like ignorant hayseeds.

Football can’t come soon enough. I’d even watch Texas Tech vs SMU right now.

Does SMU still have that 6 foot ten inch white d-lineman from estonia or wherever? That guy led the nation in blocked kicks, by a factor of two. I think he had a total of 6 or 7. Anyway, I live in Dallas and i think I’ll go to an SMU game this year just to watch that guy tear shit up waterboy style.

Nero, I have no idea who you’re talking about and he is immediately my favorite player who doesn’t wear burnt orange.

I absolutely wish that someone could convince all these boring-ass, but giant, residents of the former Soviet Union to become offensive linemen instead of heavyweight boxers. It would do two awesome things: (1) possibly save the heavyweight boxing division by eliminating boring-ass, Euro-style, Georgians; and (2) make locker room interviews and tensions a little spicier (as anyone who knows folks who grew up in Russia or its satellites can tell you, those dudes are not exactly “comfortable” around brothers — I envisions Yakov Smirnov meets Rocky III meets Nathaniel Bedford Forrest).

@ TaylorTRoom – Totally agree w/ the points in your argument, especially when there is so much idiocy flying around the internet & the media.

In the interest of fact-checking, where did you get the numbers of monetary distribution to Big 12 member schools?

http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/leader/national/player/split01/category24/sort01.html

Margus Hunt is the SMU player’s name that blocked 7 kicks/punts last year, and holy shit he was a freshman.

should have linked, it was an Omaha newspare

“1. Revenue sharing is a function of TV appearances and bowl game revenue. Each AD has control of the former, via scheduling. Schedule interesting non-conference games, and TV appearances go up. Too many schools want to free-ride by scheduling unexciting non-conference games, showing up for conference play, and collecting their reduced (but still larger than earned) share of the contract.”

Ahhhh….. with the exception of Ohio State, which was scheduled by John Mackovic, what past exciting, interesting non-conference games have we scheduled since Mack Brown’s arrival? Granted Will Muschamp’s influence is having a good, positive future impact.

Wait a minute .are you saying all the big 10 school get 20 million ? I thought this had been rehashed and it was total bull shit after all the fine print.

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