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Seizing Tyche's gifts

First things first, Ken Griffey Jr. retired. When I was a kid in the 90s Griffey was the coolest superstar baseball had to offer. His menacing swing that looked like a deep fly ball waiting to happen every pitch, the backwards hat and the long strides in centerfield that swallowed up grass were all distinctive Griffy features I'll miss, even though I hardly watch baseball anymore.

Career numbers from him were:

.284 BA, 630 HR, 1836 RBI, 2781 hits.

for the newly realized all important OPS he had a career .370 OBP and .538 SP amounting to a .908 OPS. He was a good player...

And that was done despite injuries that deeply cut into the end of his prime and despite, as best as anyone knows, not participating in the steroid era.

NBA Finals:

There are those that hate events like this in basketball and those that savor another Celtics-Lakers Final. Count me amongst the latter, primarily because I'm a fan of the league and not any individual team (I like the Texas teams and hate the Lakers but I'm a fan mercenary for any team I enjoy watching). For someone that enjoys the NBA and its history another finals between the heavyweights is just more potential lore to enjoy.

For one, you get columns by Bill Simmons where he really amps it up, knowing that his niche in the sportswriting world is in narrating events such as this. Of course many sportswriters, such as Simmons, will inevitably use this series to determine things the series has no business determining like:

1). Where Kobe ranks compared to Michael Jordan (answer, unfathomably behind)

2). Where Kobe ranks amongst all-time Laker greats (infinitely behind Magic Johnson)

3). Which Franchise holds the edge in the most recent incarnation of the rivalry (actually this one is legit)

Lakers fans go crazy at the potential Boston argument that their 2009 title is held only because of injuries to Celtic greats (much like the Boston excuse for 1987) and you know that Gasol and Kobe will be fiercely united, at least until the signs of disaster appear, in order to bring down the squad that has stained their reputations.

Both teams could be stained by some of the moves that brought them here. Boston traded a very good player in Al Jefferson and acquired probably the greatest player of this decade in Kevin Garnett (albeit past his prime) without giving up anything that has proved necessary in building around him. Ray Allen was acquired at fair value and Rondo and Pierce are home-grown.

The Lakers have achieved their success from Odom and Kobe but mainly from Gasol who was acquired by trading one of their worst players in Kwame Brown.

So it could be said that either team has been unjustly fashioned through stupidity on the parts of their competitors, but such is life. I believe Texas holds a similar advantage over a certain rival to the east...

The reason I bring all this up is because I don't feel the Lakers title in 2009 can be discredited by the injury to Kevin Garnett. The breaks are part of the game and both franchises have done a better job than most at seizing the advantages offered by tyche so there is no point in bitching when the other organization is getting the breaks. You Houston fans are probably nodding your heads right now having been victimized by Yao's feet, Sampson's health, and having capitalized on the absence of a certain Bull in 94 and 95...

If we examined this series from my new favorite metric (winscores) applied over the regular season we would get an obvious Laker victory since the Celtics spent the 2nd half of the season looking like they came into every game after a CiCis pizza binge. Judging by regular season winscores would have resulted in predictions of defeat for all the previous Celtics series as well. DaveBerri over at the Wages of Wins Journal avoids that by using the 1st half Celtic numbers but I'm going to steal their playoff scores for my purposes.

I'm providing the numbers for the "top 7" guys from each team over the course of the post-season. You'll see why that's in parenthesis when you see the scores for some of these guys that are receiving primary minutes.

Boston Celtics overall WP48 average (wins produced per 48 minutes) .130

Rondo: .270 WP48, 3.95 wins produced

Pierce: .171 WP48, 2.32 wins produced

R. Allen: .127 WP48, 1.72 wins produced

Garnett: .150 WP48, 1.70 wins produced

Kendrick Perkins: .049 WP48, .44 wins produced

T. Allen: .094 WP48, .56 wins produced

Davis: .075 WP48, .53 wins produced

An average NBA player has a WP48 of .100. The Celtics, as we already may have guessed, draw strength from having 1 superstar and then the big 3 well above average starters we are all familiar with from Sportscenter commercials. Additionally, they don't have anyone who produces a negative score.

The Lakers have an average WP48 of .125 and their top 7 goes:

Gasol: .299 WP48, 3.86 wins produced

Bryant: .200 WP48, 2.64 wins produced

Odom: .199 WP48, 1.97 wins produced

Bynum: .251 WP48, 2.02 wins produced

Fisher: .012 WP48, .14 wins produced

Farmar: .076 WP48, .34 wins produced

Artest: -.001 WP48, -.01 wins produced

So we can see that the Lakers' top 4 are actually better than their more famous Boston counterparts. The trick is in the following bits of data,

1). Bynum isn't healthy and may not actually perform as far beyond Perkins as he is capable. If the little rest or anything the Lakers training staff can do for him in these few days off make a big difference...

2). Artest is almost an empty shell on the court who ultimately is a negative in the pursuit of victory. Now people will say that's ridiculous because he "stopped durant", "won game 5" against the Suns, and will lock down Paul Pierce.

Well, if Artest didn't waste so many Laker offensive possessions without contributing more the game 5 against Phoenix wouldn't have been close to begin with. As far as shutting down Durant, that's probably true. The question though is whether his elimination of another player's productivity can make up for the massive damage he does to his own team's chances of victory.

3). Garnett hasn't been old school Garnett. If he can gather himself for some big performances in this series it could all be over, even if he doesn't he's still playing at a level beyond that which most players in the league can achieve.

4). Kobe Bryant is playing at a high level and will certainly receive credit if the Lakers prove victorious.

This is reason number one I'm rooting for the Celtics. Gasol, Bynum and at times Odom can be more productive players for the Lakers than Kobe at his best but it's the Mamba who will unjustly go down on the top 10 lists if the Lakers pull out their 5th championship with the snake.

So, who wins? The Lakers have been pretty locked in and I feel I've spent the last 2 years waiting in vain for someone to capitalize on my keys to beating them. They are again: Handle the Lakers superior size (handle defined as, not be annihilated), exploit Derek Fisher, have someone who can make Kobe work hard for shots and/or draw him into an inefficient alpha contest.

Phoenix couldn't handle the Lakers' size and Gasol shot something like 7,000% against their frontcourt. The Thunder couldn't quite handle the size either, and Durant ended up shooting more inefficiently than Kobe after the Lakers ditched Shaq . The Celtics have 3 reknowned low-post defenders in Rasheed, Perkins and Garnett. They have the best point guard in the playoffs and they have Paul Pierce, Tony and Ray Allen to throw at Kobe.

I'll go for it one more time and predict Boston to stamp out the snake. Their team defense already handled LeBron James, the degree of difficulty only goes down from there.

Texas:

Dick brought up the national recruiting rankings with the overall point being that Texas is in great shape. I'll link again to the Scout rankings which suggest that all the beard-pulling regarding OL recruiting was premature. I suspect that the current young talent of Walters, Snow, Ashcraft and Kelly combined with the incoming Greenlea, Flowers and Westerman paired with a zone-running scheme that actually allows for double-teams may make McWhorter look like a genius again.

If it doesn't than they had better fire him.

Very strong column on the basketball squad's upcoming offseason from Trips. Would I be right in guessing that it's not okay that I haven't seen Bull Durham?

Scipio's book is the sort that every Longhorn fan would want on their coffee table. Sort of a "Book of basketball" for Texas football that is well-suited to heavily repeated readings of various sections. I don't really even know how to qualify the top plays but many of the championship ones probably don't rank as high in the collective memory which I feel this book is intended to capture.

Certainly Vince strolling into the end-zone is your no. 1. Many of the big plays etched in my mind are negative, such as Roy Williams illegal leap or most of the 2001 Big 12 championship game. I'm guessing those won't be included...

I'm know many of these have been suggested but for me I recall from recent years:

The end of Bomar: Many plays in the 2005 RRS were cathartic but this one was particularly powerful because it was a crushing blow induced by a turnover which hs been true of so many big plays in the Stoops v. Brown era. Up to this point though they were all negative.

Shipley's return 2008: There were a few ghosts left that the White Ghost busted when he brought Texas back into the game with this score. It was a reminder that Texas now possessed teams that knew the answer to the Texas! chant.

Everything Vince did.

McCoy fumbles against Missouri, picks it up and throws a first down: I saw this one live and the impression it made was essentially, "you cannot stop this guy right now." This might be my pick for capturing the strength of the Colt McCoy offenses the last 2 years. or...

Shipley takes a short toss over the middle deep aided by a shattering Quan block: You know what I'm talking about.

Jamaal Charles to the house: If you feel the need to include one of the fastest 'horns ever I would pick either his 80 yard run on OU or the one where he split OSU defenders in that dramatic comeback.

Major comes in for Simms and immediately throws a 78 yard bomb to BJ Johnson in the 2001 Big 12 title game: I think this one sums up the feelings of the fan who perceived great injustice at Chris' ascension over the major. Whether that's something the book should chronicle is another matter.

That's probably enough words for now, I'll think of more later.

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I feel like no matter which team wins the NBA championship, the world loses in some way. I wish there was some option for neither of them to win. I hate them both so much though that I will probably be sucked into watching the series.

by UT_06 on Jun 2, 2010 11:56 PM CDT reply actions  

I’ve been sucked into almost every Lakers series of the Phil Jackson era for that very reason.

by Nickel Rover on Jun 2, 2010 11:57 PM CDT reply actions  

If we have to wait for the 2011 OL class to make our OL coach and/or recruiting to look good……shit, I’m not even sure how to finish that sentence.

by Horncasting on Jun 3, 2010 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

What was illegal about the leap?

Also, I remember the 2001 Big XII CG well. I had been slightly inebriated and bashing Chris for a while, and surrounding folks were not to happy. The bomb to BJ Johnson was wonderful vindication.

My brother-in-law and I drove all the way back to Austin after the game, and came back to my apartment to find a rattlesnake in an aquarium sitting on the coffee table…but that is a story for another day.

by uthookem on Jun 3, 2010 10:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Garnett over Duncan and Kobe??? Not so sure about that. Garnett was king of the 1st rd disappointments for a LONG time

by Max Fischer on Jun 3, 2010 10:11 AM CDT reply actions  

2001 Big XII CG was probably my most heartbreaking UT moment. I had just moved to Seattle, and didn’t really have a place to go. So I’m hanging out with my dad, who is basically one of my best friends, and he hauls off to tag. Great, watching a game that had me up the night before with excitement all by myself. Not cool, and compounded by my boys back home doing it big. Yes, mbv, was homesick.

When Applewhite threw that bomb, I knew we were going to win. When Geiggar roughed the kicker, I knew the opposite. I fault the coaching staff for that by the way. They had no sense of the momentum that we had going for us. Does anyone doubt that even if we were pinned on the 1, Major still would have marched us down the field?

Nevermind that we would have been gaped by Miami had we won that game.

by magnusbleuveigner on Jun 3, 2010 10:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Great stuff, Nickel.

by Drew Dunlevie on Jun 3, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Kevin Garnett was not the player of the decade.

by The General on Jun 3, 2010 11:04 AM CDT reply actions  

“Nevermind that we would have been gaped by Miami had we won that game.”

they would have skull fucked us.

by ballrific on Jun 3, 2010 12:24 PM CDT reply actions  

“Kevin Garnett was not the player of the decade.”

I agree with that, but I am one who gives Nickel the benefit of the doubt (for being a quality analyst and writer).

What gives, NR?

by jonestopten on Jun 3, 2010 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

I still would have liked it if Artest re-signed with Houston. I don’t really like either the Lakers or the Celtics, but I’ll be rooting for LA.

by Petey on Jun 3, 2010 3:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Re: Garnett

In basketball players are frequently evaluated by scoring, clutchness, and championships and none of these are evaluated well.
Kobe is a pretty solid scorer obviously, but his shooting efficiency makes him less than elite in that regard. The two ways for a player to be most productive for his team (as determined by the regression analysis of the win share guys) is in shot efficiency and enabling possession of the ball.

Duncan and Garnett are near equals in win production with Garnett holding the edge. (http://dberri.wordpress.com/2007/05/15/speeding-up-time-for-bill-simmons/).
However, Duncan gets all the credit because he’s “clutch” and because his teams win. Well, if you take a glance at the chart from the above link you’ll find something that could have already been obvious. Duncan had far greater teammates than Garnett when Kevin was in Minnesota. For as much as one player can impact a team (and win scores say he can impact it a lot) he cannot carry a team to a championship by himself.

The fact that Garnett reached a conference finals in Minnesota is a testament to his fantastic play.
And “clutchness” is an unquantifiable quality that we brand about based on selective memories. Playing better basketball over the course of 48 minutes is a much more reliable and quantifiable skill than abilities in the clutch.
Duncan has played well in the playoffs although his win production averages in the playoffs has been lower than in the regular season (shocking huh? guess what, so was Jordan’s). Garnett gets a bad shake for some poor playoff performances in Minnesota where, again, he was carrying dead weight.

The final, and worst, measure people bandy about for greatness is “who takes the last shot”. Well, as many famous plays in basketball and football history indicate, taking the last shot the exact same way with the exact same player is a stupid way to win a game. The other team knows exactly what they have to do to insure victory. The league average on “final shots” is 29%. Kobe’s average on final shots is 25%, but since he takes them so often he just has to make a few and those memories are etched into everyone’s mind.

Time to wrap this 2nd post up but in conclusion:
Garnett and Duncan are statistically the two greatest players of the 2000s. Garnett’s production has been slightly better than Duncan’s and considering what his old legs have done in Boston that shouldn’t be the most shocking thing in the world.
The gap between Duncan and Kobe is too great for Kobe to even dream of bridging. I don’t care how many championships he wins, how many does Robert Horry have again?

by Nickel Rover on Jun 3, 2010 4:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I’ll agree with you that Garnett was a great player, and the gap between him and Tim Duncan is not all that big.
but….. do you seriously think that Duncan on that same exact Minny team wouldn’t have at least gotten them to the second round a few times? Duncan just did so many things that weren’t captured by the stats, and those things led his teams to wins. I’m also not at all sure that Garnett would have led the Spurs teams to that many titles either. His famed “intensity” would probably not have kept Stephen Jackson in the ‘sane’ column for one of them, for one thing…

by The Bobs on Jun 3, 2010 7:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Anything that says Jordan wasn’t better in the playoffs I’m hard pressed to agree with.

by Burnt Orange Wookiee on Jun 3, 2010 8:19 PM CDT reply actions  

It says, BOW, that he wasn’t better in the playoffs than he was in the regular season. Which makes sense, as it’s certainly more difficult to perform in the playoffs.

The Bobs: Things that aren’t capture by stats are impossible to quantify and are just wild guesses on our part. Like your stephen Jackson assertion. Maybe Duncan offers more intangibles, how can we tell watching on TV or even from the stands?
Box score stats we can be more sure of.

by NickelRover on Jun 3, 2010 10:58 PM CDT reply actions  

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