Tom Osborne: Tuck Fexas

The Council of Nicea was far too progressive for Baylor.

Trent, imo.

Have you got the Pac-16 blog network going? You should jump all over it. I would say this is as close as the blog business can come to an arbitrage opportunity.

As a guard, I don’t compare myself to any other player, particularly Michael Jordan.

If Dr. Tom thinks Nebraska had no say in the way things were run in the Big XII, just wait until he gets to the Big Ten. There he’ll be going against 11 institutions that value academics instead of just the 5 or 6 that do in the Big XII. Plus he’ll have none of the old alligences (aside from probably Mizzou) to call upon. I hope Dr. T was being sincere when he said he doesn’t hold personal grudges or else he’s going to wind up with a lion’s share in his new conference.

I read the Better Off Red article. What I don’t get is that one of the author’s major points is that the schools of the B12 all have different desires regarding the answers of Neb and Mizz to the Ultimatum. However, 10 schools at least in his mind have the #1 desired answer as Stay. The only 2 schools that don’t are Neb and Mizz. It sounds to me even using his words that the rest of the B12 is standing unified against them. What is wrong with these people?

Man, those grapes NU will be eating are probably…sweeter than than any grapes Texas has ever had or ever will have.

Rationally, how can you blame NU for bolting? On the one hand, you have guaranteed conference stability with the nation’s finest state universities and much larger revenue. On the other hand, you have 90 years of academic and athletic alliances.

Ignore the NU whining about PQs and games in Arlington. That’s just stuff they say to themselves so they don’t feel bad. They have a chance to go to a conference that Texas would love to jump to if we didn’t have these boat anchors shackled to us.

So what if they don’t do any better competitively in the Big 10? Are their prospects there any worse than here? They’re trying to shake things up and see if they can rediscover that old magic.

Would it matter to Texas if they were making more money but were far less competitive? Nebraska football is life in that state. The perceived ability to be competitive will definitely be a factor.

Would it matter to Texas if they were making more money but were far less competitive? Nebraska football is life in that state. As we’ve witnessed, Nebraska football is far more vulnerable than say Texas football (or Kansas basketball) and corn fans and administrators are very realistic about this fact (one of the reasons I have a lot of respect for their fans). If you were not confident in your ability to compete for NCs regardless of conference would you jump to a worse competitive situation?

The perceived ability to be competitive will definitely be a factor.

Nebraska will be just about as competitive in the Big 10 West as they are in the Big 12 North. All the good schools will be in the East and NU will be competing with Iowa and Mizzou for the opportunity to get slaughtered in the championship game every year.

3-1 odds they blame their inability to win a championship in the Big 10 on us.

Havent checked any rankings but would expect that Nebraska will be the weakest academic school in the Big 10.

Those guys stepped in a pile of shit and came out smelling like a rose. A huge upgrade for them.

Meanwhile, the absolute bell cow of college athletics is going to be stuck in a jerry-rigged Pac 10 because of our idiotic state legislature. Great idea to fuck over the states leading academic institution so you can take care of Baylor and Tech.

I would rather be in the Big 10 any day and so would Bill Powers if he were allowed to admit it. Nebraska failed upwards and Texas is going to succeed sideways at best if we go Pac 10.

Yes, I understand the money factor. But you never or rarely see anything out of NU about money. It’s all, “Texas this and Texas that. We hate this ultimatum!”

I would have no problem with NU if what we heard coming out of their camp is “We really want more money. This will help our athletic program. We are anxious to increase our academic status and believe moving to the B10 will facilitate this much faster and more completely than the B12.” If that’s what they said. I would say good for you, I hope it works out.

One thing in the back of my mind is the question of how long with the B10 be able to keep this up, money wise? The athletic quality coming out of that league hasn’t been top tier the last 10 years? They are not horrible, but it seems like they are slipping. The economies are bad generally in that part of the country. People are moving away because of that and because there is starting to be equal opportunities in warmer regions. In 50 years, do you really think the B10 will be top 2 in conference revenue? They could but if current trends continue I think the ACC and the new PAC-16 conferences could pass them.

I like the Pac 16. Three true blue bloods and numerous second tier teams and sleeping giants (Oregon, Wash, UCLA, aggy, CU) sharing the top two NFL talent producing states. One conference will have all the relevant schools in those two monster states. And 7 of the top 20 media markets. No reason we should not be insanely talented. Good luck to Nebraska trying to recruit Cali, Texas, and Colorado or competing against Michigan, OSU, Penn State and others for the good midwestern kids.

Tuck Fom Osborne and the tractor he rode in on.

From 11-1 votes to 15-1, with Osborne constantly proposing moving the Rose Bowl in the name of fairness.

“One thing in the back of my mind is the question of how long with the B10 be able to keep this up, money wise? The athletic quality coming out of that league hasn’t been top tier the last 10 years? They are not horrible, but it seems like they are slipping. The economies are bad generally in that part of the country. People are moving away because of that and because there is starting to be equal opportunities in warmer regions. In 50 years, do you really think the B10 will be top 2 in conference revenue? They could but if current trends continue I think the ACC and the new PAC-16 conferences could pass them.”

This.

Is exactly what I have been saying since this expansion talk began. The Pac-16 contains the two most populous fastest growing states. The Big 10 is dying a slow and painful economic and population death. They will always have academics, but 50 years from now there is a very good chance that the Big 10 will be an Ivy League-lite conference. With similar athletics to the current Ivy League but far worse academics.

They had a small window of opportunity to save themselves and add the premier southern school, UT. So what if they have to take on A&M and Texas Tech, it would be worth it to secure their athletic future. Whether you choose to believe it or not, Texas Tech will eventually be a Tier 1 school spending major research dollar. Tech will never reach the level of UT or A&M because they got too much of a head-cough-cough-PUF-start. If the Big 10 were to add Texas Tech and they were included in the CIC, Tech would be Tier 1 and an have AAU membership within 10 years, and the State of Texas would have 4 top research Universities. As it stands the Pac-10 just leapfrogged the Big 10 and the Big 10’s future look questionable because they are not as smart as the Pac-10, ironic.

stoops just wants to play footsy with his broheem

IF we get an invite to the Big 10 we are lucky and should take it. Just as we were lucky to have the opportunity to play 3 1/2 teams from Texas for all these years. Don’t listen to the NU blogs, bloggers make terrible Nebraska fans.

The only blame to be placed is on being a small school from a small state in a conference with the most powerful AD in college athletics that looks out for itself.

Oct 16 is going to be crazy if you love college football. Come on by and have beer plus game if you are in the area.

One thing in the back of my mind is the question of how long with the B10 be able to keep this up, money wise? The athletic quality coming out of that league hasn’t been top tier the last 10 years? They are not horrible, but it seems like they are slipping. The economies are bad generally in that part of the country. People are moving away because of that and because there is starting to be equal opportunities in warmer regions. In 50 years, do you really think the B10 will be top 2 in conference revenue?

California ain’t exactly prospering, either. Look, I don’t claim to predict the future, but the demographic trends in California are ugly, like a cross between Helen Thomas and Sarah Jessica Parker.

“Great idea to fuck over the states leading academic institution so you can take care of Baylor and Tech.”

This happens every session, no surprises here.

Good point about California. But Texas, Colorado, and Arizona (maybe OK) are all growing, so over for the conference the picture is not so bleak. For the B10 is there any state which is currently “good”? Pennsylvania?

You all can eat a big bag of shit!!

Give me 10 Norton!!

Don’t listen to the NU blogs, bloggers make terrible Nebraska fans.

Yes, because all us NU bloggers should be drug out into the street and gored by Bevo. Shame on us.

I have no animosity towards UT, OU, or any other school in the South. Like I’ve said previously, UT isn’t Hitler and OU isn’t Mussolini. But neither is NU. Each school is looking out for their own interests. This is as it should be. The rest is just politics and bullshit.

Here’s a thought: are you all really so sure that Tom Osborne is firmly on the side of jumping ship? From the 30 years I’ve followed Nebraska football, I’ve concluded that his loyalty to his team, his region and his conference are not to be underestimated. He is a Big 8 diehard and despite some of KU/KSU/ISU’s votes against us, Tom has warm feelings for them.

It could well be that as we speak, he is trying to convince the overexcited NU regents not to join the Big 10 but to give the Big 12, flawed though it is, another chance. I actually believe it is more likely than not that Dr. Tom is all that stands between us and November games in Minneapolis.

Nice Council of Nicaea reference btw.

Population growth is all well and good, but we want people who put eyeballs on television screens to watch football and basketball.

Has anyone been to Arizona recently? 50% retired people, 48% immigrants, 2% everyone else

Good Riddance to whiny neighbors, NU.

How awesome is it that Mizzou has been left standing there with nothing but their d1ck in their hand?

MU’s going to be fine. There’s a lot more left to come here.

Not sure about that. If you look beyond the metro areas in the state (1 of which they share with an already B10 team, the other they play 2nd/3rd fiddle in) MU isn’t all that attractive as an athletic department. Terrible road attendance, below average TV ratings even in their ‘cities’, etc. If they end up in the B10 it’s because some other teams turned the B10 down.

What’s the Big Ten’s 16-team end game if the Pac-16 happens? Notre Dame, Syracuse, Missouri, Rutgers?

Can’t possibly be what they wanted in their best case scenario.

The Big 10’s best case scenario was to get Notre Dame to fold and come in — and stop at 12 teams.

All this talk of doubling the income when expanding to 16 teams is well and good but it also means 16 mouths to feed, and unless the Pac 16 decides to slice the pie much like the Big 12 does right now, on a sliding scale then double is not enough.

The BIG 10 is trying to corner the market on college sport fans with gold chains and form fitting t-shirts with a giant phoenix spralling across their torso.

Cuse and Rutgers is YES network territory. Their own students don’t even know they have football teams.

B10 should just take ND and call it a day.

Per the Northwestern Scout site, an offer to Mizzou has supposedly been made with one proviso, Notre Dame or UT has to accept first.

Yep, Big Tent offer to UT, Aggie, ND, and MO. Decision expected within a week, UT and Ag meet tomorrow.

If you think the rust belt is better than Arizona as far as economy and population go visit fucking Cleveland or Detriot. Then get back to us in January when you are freezing even with a trash can fire every ten feet.

If Notre Dame joins Horn and Aggie, the Rust Belt 16 = $40 million per yer compared to $20 million in the Pac 16.

this whole rant is dedicated to one brief statement above:

ahhhh…we’re not being told by the legislature to do anything. the legislature is not even in session. my boss is a state senator and there hasn’t been word one uttered about this whole deal. we’ve gotten one constituent phone call about it and it was supporting UH.

buddy jones is a ballz-to-the-wall lobbyist in terms of bona fide policy issues that people pay Hillco to lobby for. but I truly question his influence in this game — time will tell.

I don’t discount that there are a few individuals from state government engaged — Perry specifically. he’s not in the legislature…he’s the governor. otherwise, past Sibley (not in the legislature yet, technically) and Jim dunnam (you really think he’s got the influence to change THIS? really? REALLY?), I haven’t heard of the members doing anything. nothing. at least nothing game changing.

maybe you haven’t heard, but we’re facing a projected $18bil shortfall in our state budget. during a redistricting year. accomplishing both of these is basically the equivalent of a male passing 5 kidney stones in a 5 minute interval and living to tell about it. in sum, it might get done…but it’s gonna be real fucking painful.

the last time the state fucked with these two issues at the same time was 2003. we cut CHIP funding to shit (as well as numerous other programs) and the D’s left for OK (house) and NM (senate) and created a national fucking fiasco. also, see Tom DeLay FAIL.

shit…Sentor Wentworth is currently having a pissing match with Brian McCall in the media over the Texas State Chancellor gig. that’s the only thing that been in the legislative clippings about higher ed over the past few days. and quite frankly, it was fucking hilarious.

the speaker of the house is in a precarious position — he’s not going to raise cain over this unless he gains political capital. he won’t. Dewhurst graduated from Arizona…he’s probably for this whole deal, but I promise you he’s not pushing it.

just my $.02, but I don’t think the leg is holding anybody hostage here. I ‘spose some sort of leg approval will be necessary somewhere, but I don’t think anyone under the pink dome is calling the shots here. the guy calling the shots for everyone works in belmont hall…or wherever the fuck Dodd’s office is.

all this said, there are distinct reasons for why Texas wants to bring all these lackeys with us…

it’s the same fucking reason we don’t want to be in the big 10. we want to be a chief, not an indian. we go to the big 10 and we’re an outlier…influence over no one. pac16? we bring 5 friends with us and at least call the shots for the 6 of us. we’re already the big fish in the small pond and bringing our less attractive friends to the party ultimately benefits our “patron” status.

furthermore, we stay in the “east” and significantly cut our travel budget. frankly, it makes sense as travel $ would increase, but it wouldn’t be that bad….particularly when compared with a scenario that has just us and CU going west.

Rust Belt vs Pacific Coast/Research Dollars/Donations

Yes, TV audiences matter, but some schools have a national brand. Included in those are UT and Notre Dame. Add to that fact, top tier universities attract top tier talent (academic) and the graduates generally experience greater financial success and accept positions across the country. Those successful graduates then send donations, sometimes large donations, back to their university.

With many schools in the Big 10, I think the above situation plays out. They go to school in the Rust Belt and go on to very successful careers in other areas of the country, making contributions to their alma mater.

Sorry, premature post!

The point of the last post is the following: if Texas, ND, and A&M join the Big 10, and add 2 more if you want – u pick ’em. It is going to be difficult for any conference in the country to match the draw. However, it could be a bit like the UN, there would be a bunch of egos at the conference table.

PAC-10: If the NCAA comes down hard on USC, that will have some impact, but the proposed Southern contingent would more than pick up the slack. I like the travel argument. I don’t like the idea of including Baylor. With their stand on research, it would cause problems sooner or later. I just don’t think they would stay quiet. So, I hope that Baylor is simply throwing up a smoke screen.

PAC-16 would get a great deal of attention from the West Coast sportswriters and maybe, just maybe would bing some credibility to the coverage on the WC.

Just a few random thoughts too late at night.

Hook ’em!

Fexas is Tucked. Like I said all along.

There is no brilliant plan as imagined by TTR, srr50 and other talented bloggers.

Fexas is not free to go wherever they choose. We are left begging for someone to take us anchors and all.

Bill, latest word is that Texas and Texas A&M representative are meeting today to discuss our open offers from the Pac-10 and Big Ten.

A&M is also considering other offers.

Hello, sa, from another Senator’s office.

Ag_in_TX said: Edit
June 10th, 2010 at 7:08 am
A&M is also considering other offers.

Slive and co is playing A&M like a rib.

A&M is also considering other offers.

An invitation to appear on Nancy Grace doesn’t really solve their problems, even if it always helps to talk about them.

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