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Latest rumor I got was A&M was trying to convince y’all to go to SEC. If y’all refuse, Va. Tech joins SEC with us.

by Ag_in_TX on Jun 10, 2010 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Now, that is an Aggie Joke.

by Sailor Ripley on Jun 10, 2010 1:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Timex Social Club saw this whole thing coming back in 1986

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRte0S2a_dA

by Triston27 on Jun 10, 2010 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

A&M meeting with Texas is strictly to resolve the SEC question. Ken Hance outside trying to avoid Ken Starr.

by RRR on Jun 10, 2010 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

I truly believe the Aggies are frightened by the West Coast.

by Lowdenswain on Jun 10, 2010 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

SEC commissioner Mike Slive is talking to the St. Louis rams about expansion possibilities. Stay tuned.

by Burnt Orange Wookiee on Jun 10, 2010 1:53 PM CDT reply actions  

“But Texas Tech isn’t at THE meeting.”

Sand Aggie will do what they’re told and be thankful for the free ride.

by TOR on Jun 10, 2010 1:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Let me understand, you got the hen, the chicken and the rooster. The rooster goes with the chicken. So, who’s having sex with the hen?

by Art Vandelay on Jun 10, 2010 1:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Is there a chance TAMU will put a nix on the Pac-a-palooza shift because they, and they alone, want to go the the SEC?

by WMH on Jun 10, 2010 2:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Latest rumor I got was A&M was trying to convince y’all to go to SEC. If y’all refuse, Va. Tech joins SEC with us.

Hey Scarlett O’Aggie, no one gives a damn. SEC salvation crushed.

There was a land of Cadets and cotton fields called Texas aTm…
Here in this pretty world gallantry took its last bow…
Here was the last ever to be seen of knights and their ladies fair, of Hullabaloo and of Collies…
Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered. A Civilization gone with the wind…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4n1t1qetkA

by Gone With the Hind Wind on Jun 10, 2010 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Events give Aggy bargaining power they could only dream of. Nevertheless, they will likely blow it.

by The Clapper on Jun 10, 2010 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I like how this is playing out. Everyone scrambling to the different conference lifeboats while we hang out and watch. At the end we’ll decide where to go based on which boat got the most babes, bucks, and booze.

I’m still half thinking we ship off a bunch of people to the Pac !0 and then turn around and take Nebraska’s seat at the big 10.

by Bob on Jun 10, 2010 2:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Please remember to take some high grade sodium with everything you read in here.

by rickvigorous on Jun 10, 2010 2:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Realignment is serious bidness, so let’s have a laugh….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTbc98uqofI

by Ag_in_TX on Jun 10, 2010 2:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Would A&M leaving for the SEC give us the opportunity to go Big 10, rather than Pac-16?

by Holdem on Jun 10, 2010 2:18 PM CDT reply actions  

‘Sand Aggie will do what they’re told and be thankful for the free ride.’

Damn straight, TOR. And Dude, Redneck STD Whore is the preferred nomenclature.

by RRR on Jun 10, 2010 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

So I’ve been trying to fathom why Big Ten takes Nebraska instead of Mizzou if TV sets are really what Delaney is after. Nebraska has some cache nationally, but won’t up the subscription rates anywhere but Omaha, whereas Mizzou would in both Kansas City and St. Louis.

So here’s my take — Delaney thought that taking Mizzou wouldn’t necessarily implode the Big XII but KNEW taking Nebraska would. Texas had been more or less ignoring the Big Ten’s passes thus far, using the “Tech problem” excuse, etc. And Texas wanted to stay big dog in the Big XII, all things being equal.

Now staying in the Big XII can’t happen, so it opens the Big Ten door again for Texas (and Aggy).

by A-Tex Devil on Jun 10, 2010 2:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Ag_in_Tx: Thank you. Now back to the rumor mill for me.

by WMH on Jun 10, 2010 2:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I’m still half thinking we ship off a bunch of people to the Pac !0 and then turn around and take Nebraska’s seat at the big 10.

I wouldn’t be surprised.

I know it is unpopular around here, but I think Texas to the SEC is more likely now than Texas to the Big 10. Remember, the SEC will let us have our LSN (I think that is hugely important to DeLoss) and they have already said nice things about Tech.

Just saying. I would put it at:

PAC 10 – 50%
SEC – 40%
Big 10 – 10%

by The General on Jun 10, 2010 2:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Has Sooner claimed their ’04 championship yet?

by TOR on Jun 10, 2010 2:36 PM CDT reply actions  

High Drama gives rise to High Comedy – BaylorFans contemplating being a D1 independent since “Notre Dame makes is work…”

http://baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192387

“I know I know…we lose a lot of money, but could this not be an outside consideration? Why not get some longterm commitments during the guilt of the breakup from Tech/TAMU/Tex and get some TCU along with a Notre Dame or Michigan thrown in there add some patsies each year….and if you can get any kind of TV sports deal for your program, you get to keep your money, no sharing. Then you control your own destiny….”

by Ag_in_TX on Jun 10, 2010 2:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Sooners still lost on the field in 2004. Auburn didn’t. I’d give it to Auburn, but that’s only so Tuberville can wear big ring when he goes out to recruit.

by RRR on Jun 10, 2010 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

How about this?

Ags to the SEC.

Baylor jumps in to try to claim the empty seat in the car to the Pac 16.

Mass hysteria ensues.

by Levander Williams on Jun 10, 2010 2:42 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Auburn and OU would split it since OU would have ‘won’ the NC game, but Auburn was ahead in the polls.

If OU claims it, would that be the biggest participation trophy of all time?

by The General on Jun 10, 2010 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Horns and Aggies to the Big Ten, if this is to be believed:

http://www.kctv5.com/sports/23860558/detail.html

by Wake up little Suzy on Jun 10, 2010 2:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Right now my grandpa would have told everyone to “SLOW THE FUCK DOWN, PEOPLE!”

But he’s dead, so carry on frivolous athletic directors.

by Vasherized on Jun 10, 2010 2:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Texas doesn’t petition.

by Sailor Ripley on Jun 10, 2010 2:55 PM CDT reply actions  

The Big Ten process requires that schools first apply for membership before invites are offered. Of course nothing happens until everything is a formality.

by Wake up little Suzy on Jun 10, 2010 2:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Fair enough.

by Sailor Ripley on Jun 10, 2010 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

“Redneck STD Whore is the preferred nomenclature”
….seriously, Anything is preferred over Sand Aggy (except for mud aggy, wind aggy, or anything with “aggy” in it).

Thanks,
Your friends from TTU

by mikecrabtree on Jun 10, 2010 3:07 PM CDT reply actions  

I would have gotten along really well with Vash’s grandpa.

by Matt Cotcher on Jun 10, 2010 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

I think a SEC west with us, Tech, A&M, Akie, LSU, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, and MSU would be nice. Sure would make the SEC east brutal though, Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky, georgia, florida, and South Carolina.

by Holdem on Jun 10, 2010 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

KCTV? Are we sure that’s just not Mizzou trying to drop a turd in the punchbowl since nobody wants to dance with them?

Chip Brown says the report is b.s., btw.

by TOR on Jun 10, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Is anyone else experiencing lower than normal work productivity today?

by Ag_in_TX on Jun 10, 2010 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Chip also said that the Big 10 would not be taking Nebraska.

by Chip Brown's 15 mins are almost up on Jun 10, 2010 3:29 PM CDT reply actions  

I mean shit… there are no places in the Big 10 that I am interested in visiting and the women are pigs.

I want West Coast, and I can even put up with AZ… Have you ever been to Lansing Michigan? Its a hole! And the tOSU fans are all assholes. In the SEC, the beaches are going to be fucked up for years. The only thing worthwhile would be scull-fucking Notre Dame, along with tOSU, Mich, and Penn State, but they all need to come to Austin to play.

You want Texas, you come to our house to play! Fuck East Lansing! I mean really! That place is next to the asshole of the world…

Texas, please make the right choice and choose pretty women and Pacific Ocean views!

by domedriver on Jun 10, 2010 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

“Lansing Michigan?”

True. Beaumont with colder weather.

by TOR on Jun 10, 2010 3:35 PM CDT reply actions  

If anyone was wondering, HenryJames has been busy in his new job as a Propecia® rep.

by parlin on Jun 10, 2010 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Oops sorry for repeat post. Skimmed the above too quickly.

by Big 10 still in play on Jun 10, 2010 3:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Chip Brown is a pawn. Powers and Delaney are crafting all of this chaos as a screen for their plan to get Texas to Big 10 with as little baggage as possible.

by Major Cult on Jun 10, 2010 3:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Kansas AD commits seppuku for bringing shame upon his school during conference realignment:

http://www.ktka.com/news/2010/jun/10/ku-athletics-director-lew-perkins-resign/?breaking

by Ag_in_TX on Jun 10, 2010 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

“Just saying. I would put it at:

PAC 10 – 50%
SEC – 40%
Big 10 – 10%"

I’m thinking more like:

Pac 10- 90%
Big 10- 8%
SEC- 2%

by nordberg on Jun 10, 2010 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Lew Perkins just resigned (per Twitter).

by Matt Cotcher on Jun 10, 2010 3:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Delaney is playing everyone like a fiddle. Texas to Big 10.

by Fat Guy on an Island on Jun 10, 2010 3:53 PM CDT reply actions  

You know who’s pulling for Aggie to SEC! SEC! SEC!? Missouri.

If we end up in the Big 10 sans our friends from College Station they are the logical second school to keep it even. (assuming Notre Dame wants no part of this.)

Funny how the school that started this ends up being the Big 10 safety school. They’re essentially the university equivalent of the girl with a nice body but has a horsey face that you kept on the string in case the 2nd tier Cheerleader you were trying to take to the prom says no.

by Bob on Jun 10, 2010 4:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I’m thinking more like:

Pac 10- 90%
Big 10- 8%
SEC- 2%

You may be right, but I keep think Deloss really wants the LSN, and that is the only way this is happening.

by The General on Jun 10, 2010 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Mike Taylor on 790 in Houston said that Rick Barnes vetoed Aggies to the SEC by themselves last night because he thinks they should stay with Texas. He also basically said it was an unsubstantiated rumor.

by The General on Jun 10, 2010 5:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Uhh, I mean Rick Perry.

I am a moron.

by The General on Jun 10, 2010 5:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Mam, Barnes has got some damn reach….

by Ag_in_TX on Jun 10, 2010 5:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Rick Barnes can recruit a Jew to Fallujah.

by The General on Jun 10, 2010 5:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Big 10 – 100%
Pac 10 – 0%
SEC – NFW

There’s a reason the media has been playing up Texas as the reason that Nebraska is leaving the Big 12, and Nebraska is downplaying it. That’s because Osborne knows that he is about to be in the Big 10 West w/ UT. Osborne is satisfied that UT’s strength will be diluted in the Big 10, so he’s happy. Somebody absolutely nailed it above when they brought up Missouri. I’ll take that thought a step further, and add that if Texas wasn’t going to the Big 10, Missouri would be… and they are clearly not.

Texas is just waiting for things to “fall apart,” so it can make the jump without Baylor or Tech [“sorry, but there’s only so much room”]. If the Aggies want to come along, great. If not, it’s so long to A&M. Any perceived advantage Aggy would have by going to the SEC will likely be diluted by the strength and name brand value of… being in the same Big 10 Division as Notre Dame.

Texas would not make the move to the Big 10 unless Notre Dame is on board, and Notre Dame won’t go public until Texas is all in.

The wildcard, IMHO, is Oklahoma. I don’t think the Big 10 is interested, and the obligation to take OSU with them is probably greater than anything Texas would experience with BU or Tech. The point being, there might not be enough room for OSU in the SEC. Then what do the Sooners do?

by il cativo on Jun 10, 2010 5:30 PM CDT reply actions  

In that scenario it seems that the Big XII would just grab up 5 new teams and keep their AQ.

by TheBlanton on Jun 10, 2010 5:46 PM CDT reply actions  

With the Big 12 falling apart the Pac 10 is by far the best and the Big 10 by far the worst possible outcome. I wanted the Big 12 to stay intact, but with CU and Nebraska out the conference is done. The Pac 10 and Big 12 have quite a bit of history together, particularly the past fifteen or so years. The Holiday Bowl annual matchups have been classics. The Fiesta Bowls, too. And who can forget the 2005 Rose Bowl. On the hardwood we’ve taken on the Pac 10 in challenges for the last few years. And the weather is comparable, no snow/sleet/hail/frigid junk, even during the later part of the season. Oh, and most cities in the Pac 10 are reasonably priced to fly to from Texas.

As for the Big 10, well, that would be crap. Aside from academics the sporting rivalry tradition is non-existent. The weather is snowy, crappy for half the season, they play a style of football that reflects it, i.e. boring! Texas won’t be able to haul a bunch of our regional rivals with us like we can to the Pac 10, which means many more games in far away places, even within our “Super Division” than the Pac 10 “Super Division” would allow. Let’s see, who joins with Nebraska and Texas: Notre Dame, Missouri, Pittsburgh, maybe Kansas or West Virginia if not Texas A&M or Oklahoma? Big 10 means only a couple of away games in the region any give season. Meanwhile all of the current Big 10 teams get to most of their games in their own back yard, Texas would be at a distinct disadvantage based on the travel miles we’d have to put on each year compared to current Big 10 members. Oh, yeah, airfares to the upper Midwest are more expensive last I checked. Big 10 would mean giving loyal Longhorn fans the middle finger when it comes to accessing the team.

The SEC, not as bad as the Big 10, much more culturally in common with Texas. But do we really want to stockpile all the best teams in the country (Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, Alabama, LSU) in one conference? College football is best served with national championships between the best teams deciding it all, not conference championships followed by matching up the best team against a team that didn’t face the same kind of gauntlet to get there.

Give me the Pac 10 over anything that’s left on the table, and screw the Big 10!

by Mikey Gr8 on Jun 10, 2010 5:58 PM CDT reply actions  

The Rick Barnes/Perry thing made me laugh. T’would be awesome if true.

by Sasha is a Longhorn Dog on Jun 10, 2010 5:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Why is aggy so insistent we head out to Possum Holler BFE with them?

by TOR on Jun 10, 2010 6:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I am here to entertain you mistress Sasha.

by The General on Jun 10, 2010 6:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Mikey, at the critical point your comment should have read, “Aside from academics and $40 million dollars per year …” That the tv contract will bring in.

by Major Cult on Jun 10, 2010 6:09 PM CDT reply actions  

If Nebraska, OU, A&M, Mizzou/OSU/Kansas (pick one), and Notre Dame went with us for a Big 16, would that trump the PAC 16 concept that has been floated? I’ve been on the PAC 10 bandwagon from the get-go, but I might re-consider…

by Cincinnatus on Jun 10, 2010 6:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I’m against conference realignments because it means the end of historic rivalries which is what makes the sport great. However, I would favor the SEC going to 16 teams and being split into two divisions.

Texas, LSU, Arkansas, Tech, OU, A&M, Ole Miss and Miss State in one division and Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, Vandy, and South Carolina in the other. No championship game which would give the chance that two teams from the same conference square off for the whole marbles. It fits culturally and regionally, maintains our biggest rivalries, introduces old rivalries, etc.

by Groundhog Day on Jun 10, 2010 6:14 PM CDT reply actions  

il cativo, Your reasoning doesn’t make any sense.

by bigdukesix on Jun 10, 2010 6:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Please elaborate.

by il cativo on Jun 10, 2010 6:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I think I’ll Cat has got it right.

by Major Cult on Jun 10, 2010 6:29 PM CDT reply actions  

OU to big ten is not an option due to academics. Could be kansas though. That basketball brand will sell cable subs.

by horninexile on Jun 10, 2010 6:35 PM CDT reply actions  

I’m not disagreeing with anything il cat said, but that is precisely why the expansion business is bogus. Do we really want to cut ties with our two biggest rivals? That’s like Alabama severing ties with Auburn and Tennessee. College football is great because of tradition and rivalries. I know I would not be happy if the annual border war in Dallas ceased to exist as I believe that is one of the great settings in all of sports.

by Groundhog Day on Jun 10, 2010 6:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. If we end up in the SEC I won’t follow UT football again. If I have to watch a game with all those Southern trailer trash hicks every Saturday, I’d rather go watch softball or some shit.

by yojimbox on Jun 10, 2010 6:43 PM CDT reply actions  

How in the world can you be sure that Texas would go to the Big Ten?

Powers seems only interested in the Pac-10 offer, with or without A&M. He’ll give A&M an ultimatum to get in line within a few days, and if they don’t he’ll drop them and take Tech/OU/OSU/Kansas to the Pac-10.

I don’t see the Big Ten offering anything that Texas or A&M would really want at this point. Geographically it doesn’t make sense as the Pac-16 East will…

by NUFan on Jun 10, 2010 7:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Please don’t tiptoe around my opinion. I’m probably somewhat guilty of thinking with my heart, as I see the Pac 10 as an inferior option and the SEC as not an option.

Per the rivalries, I think we still play OU every year in Dallas, but with annual matchups against Notre Dame, Nebraska and Wisconsin (for argument sake), I could forget Aggy as quickly as I forgot TCU and SMU.

by il_cativo on Jun 10, 2010 7:13 PM CDT reply actions  

The big 10 sucks so bad. How can you guys put up with that weather bs? East Lansing makes Ames look like Padre…seriously, its golf and bent greens of the Pac 10 all the way

by Mysterious Package on Jun 10, 2010 7:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Yo yojimbox! I’m with ya! The SEC is like a whole freakin’ conference of Aggys. Jarheads and Jorts! I’d turn to hockey and soccer instead (however I would occasionally check out the crowd shots of the Gulf Coast foxes.) ((Yeah, I just said foxes, so what?))

by Major Cult on Jun 10, 2010 7:30 PM CDT reply actions  

That is a lot of traveling il cat especially when you mention ND and Neb which are two places that are far away and not easy to get to. I just don’t see it.

Why will Texas not go to the SEC? I’m curious as to why they will not go. It makes sense on every level. Culture, travel, logistics, rivalries, etc.

We probably go to the Pac 10, but I can certainly see why A&M would want to go to the SEC. It gives them one selling point over UT.

by Groundhog Day on Jun 10, 2010 7:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Take a look at this for the next few days, Major.

http://poonsec.blogspot.com/

by Groundhog Day on Jun 10, 2010 7:51 PM CDT reply actions  

“Why will Texas not go to the SEC? I’m curious as to why they will not go. It makes sense on every level. Culture, travel, logistics, rivalries, etc.”

Wait, what? Which have you never been to, Austin or any town where an SEC school is located with the possible eception of Athens? And I’m being generous. Travel? The PAC-16 east proposal is far easier from a travel standpoint. And none of that even addresses the acadmeic reputation or the fact that most SEC schools buy human beings which we’re not crazy about.

Not your strongest take Groundhog Day.

by Minnesotahorn on Jun 10, 2010 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

A part of me would love to be rid of the Ags. Then I think about giving the SEC a stronger foothold into Texas recruiting. That’s bad enough. Then I think about A&M getting back into the culture of paying players and that does it. Fuck them. They either come with us or we never play them, again. Their entire identity goes down the drain.

by Blueshorn on Jun 10, 2010 9:19 PM CDT reply actions  

One of these things, is not like the other thing…

http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=RTbc98uqofI

by Blueshorn on Jun 10, 2010 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

No way ATM goes to SEC. They would have to re-write their fight song, come up with an entirely new curriculum at fish camp … start eating gator burgers or attempt to brand an elephant. Their very meaning for life would undergo a fundamental paradigm shift.

Incomprehensible.

by Perceptor of the obvious on Jun 10, 2010 10:07 PM CDT reply actions  

They lost the bonfire…nothing is sacred anymore

by horninexile on Jun 10, 2010 10:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Crazy as it sounds, the best move for A&M would be to stay in the Big 12 after us and OU bolt, bring in TCU etc., and make the best of it assuming the B12 can keep its AQ status. As it is they don’t have a chance competing against us and OU, why the hell would they want to follow us into the PAC 10, Big 10, or SEC and have to deal w/USC, Ohio State, Florida etc.?
Forget the money, they’ll just find a way to fuck it up anyway. If they want to compete again and have a sniff at BCS games, they should try to be the big dog of the new(albeit weakened) Big 12. And they’ll be viewed as saviors by Baylor, KSU et al, whatever that’s worth.

Would be genius on their part IMO… therefore it definitely won’t happen. They’ll follow us or go to the SEC on their own, forever solidifying their 2nd tier status.

by trkhorn on Jun 10, 2010 10:50 PM CDT reply actions  

trkhorn – Maybe Texas should do that and start a TV network.

Like FSU in the ACC in Bowden’s prime.

by Sailor Ripley on Jun 10, 2010 11:08 PM CDT reply actions  

I could deal w/10 straight conference titles, or thereabouts.

by trkhorn on Jun 10, 2010 11:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Minnesota,

If you want to make the argument that it’s easier to win championships in the Pac 16 or travel logistics, or the beauty of the college towns outside Tucson, Corvallis, and Pullman I will not argue. But we don’t know if we have to play any teams in the western half of the division and we still have to travel to Arizona. The fact is we would be closer to all teams in a revamped SEC West while shifting Auburn and Alabama to the East. We would continue long standing rivalries and traditions and reintroduce a very old rivalry while instantly lighting a new one (LSU).

What really bothers me is the holier than thou attitude by some in our fanbase. Look at the U.S. news and world report regarding academic rankings and compare the Big 12 and the SEC. Look at who we have been our academic partners for the last 14 years. Regarding cheating. Are you serious? We are about to climb in bed with USC and we are attached to OU and A&M and Washington was a renegade program under Don James.

Lastly, most Texas kids who don’t gain entrance into UT because of the 10 percent rule attend SEC schools so again it’s a cultural fit outside of the obvious football fever, southern campuses, good looking girls, etc etc.

Like I said, I’m against the whole conference realignment thing because people have lost sight of what makes college football great. But I think it would be catastrophic if TX, A&M, and OU part ways. I understand why A&M is considering their options, but only time will tell what will happen if they actually roll the dice. The arrogance by some in our fanbase is hysterical. How soon people forget where Texas was before MB showed up or where OU was before Stoops. A strong hire makes all the difference in the world if you also have the resources he needs for a winner. If A&M went to the SEC and made a great head coach hire it might prove to be a very shrewd move.

OU knows whats at stake. They want to keep the SEC out of Texas for recruiting purposes and preserve the rivalry with TX. Also, it is quite obvious that the political leaders in OK are in favor of the PAC 16 because it also protects OSU.

by Groundhog Day on Jun 10, 2010 11:26 PM CDT reply actions  

“Lastly, most Texas kids who don’t gain entrance into UT because of the 10 percent rule attend SEC schools so again it’s a cultural fit outside of the obvious football fever, southern campuses, good looking girls, etc etc.”

What Texas kids are you talking about? I knew exactly one kid from my graduating class who attended an SEC school (Ole Miss because he was a legacy going way back). A couple of others put in an application to Vanderbilt. Everyone else who didn’t get into UT went somewhere else in Texas. Maybe what you’re saying is true for East Texas. I don’t know because I’ve never lived there. But outside of LSU, I don’t see even East Texas kids thinking too much about attending school in the SEC.

by Schwetty Balls on Jun 11, 2010 6:53 AM CDT reply actions  

How the hell can it be catastrophic for Texas and OU to be in different conferences when that’s the way it was for 76 years?

And yeah, your claim that most kids that don’t get into Texas go to SEC schools is way off.

by Huckleberry on Jun 11, 2010 7:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Boys, I’ve laid out until I have more info.

Coach Stallings seems to have 5 regents on board with S.E.C. – Bill Jones only has 4. But Governor Perry does not want A&M going that way by themselves – he wants us and y’all to stay together. Our regents are working your regents hard to convince them this is the best financial path forward. If y’all cannot be convinced, the 5 A&M regents are trying feverishly to find a way to go east with Perry cuTting their balls off (well, one is a woman, so she has no balls)

Stay tuned again today.

by Ag_in_TX on Jun 11, 2010 7:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Without cutting balls off – damn blackberry.

by Ag_in_TX on Jun 11, 2010 8:00 AM CDT reply actions  

I guess Perry is saying one thing publicly and another in private. He was on Ch 13 news last night saying that each school would have to make individual decisions.

(He also said he preferred a (state of) Texas conference, as a fan of the old Southwest Conference. It would have been easy enough to say that he wanted Texas and A&M to stay together.)

by Bob in Houston on Jun 11, 2010 8:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Huck,

That was before super conferences. If they went opposite directions, that would most likely mean the end of one of the great rivalries in college football. If OU left TX, it’s possible their recruiting foothold would disappear like that in Arkansas. If OU went to the SEC, it’s possible OU has a recruiting advantage over Tex, etc. there are many scenarios and none of them are good for either school.

Yes, I know many folks whose kids would have gone to TX who now go to TCU, Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, and Georgia. I don’t know where you guys love but this is especially true in Htown.

I get the fact that TX wants to protect its turf against the SEC and its recruiting practices so hopefully OU stays in line on this because I would hate to think both OU and A&M go to the SEC while TX goes elsewhere.

by Groundhog Day on Jun 11, 2010 9:03 AM CDT reply actions  

the most interesting dynamic here is the perception that Perry is pro-PAC 10 while Stallings and a couple of other regents are pro-SEC. If this is true, it opens up quite a pandora’s box for Gov. Goodhair.

Most laypeople will tell you that the Texas Governor is powerless. from one perspective, this could be considered correct. However, from another, this is simply an uneducated and ignorant opinion. When it comes to Perry, describing him as powerless could not be further from the truth.

Specifically, the appointment power that is attached to the TX Gov’s office is a strong tool…particularly in a state without term limits in the Gov’s Office and no limitations on personal $$$ campaign contributions. Perry is running for his 3rd full term and at this point looks like he is ready to absolutely steamroll Bill White (just an opinion; see BTEC turbines and the way Perry is attacking White).

What I’m getting at here is that Perry has loaded down every agency in the State of Texas with his people. so basically, even though HIS powers maybe limited, he’s pulling strings everywhere. These appointments include the Boards of Regents of Texas universities. And you don’t just get appointed by being a good citizen or some knowledgable dude…you get appointed by being part of the Perry team. Typically, this involves significant campaign contributions. I did a little investigating one day when I was bored and I found that about 50% of the individuals serving on the BOR’s for TX univeristies are Perry donors. Pick a name…like “Huffines” and plug it in here and you’ll see what I mean:

http://www.texastribune.org/library/data/texas-campaign-donations/

Typically you’ll see donations that range from $5K (which is typically the minimum to get in the door at a classy Perry event — like the one that was recently held on the 55th floor of the swank new hotel on congress) up to $25K. sometimes they’re one-time…often times they’re annual. other times you’ll see donations just before an individual’s term is up and is ripe for a second term.

Things don’t always go well for folks who don’t contribute or don’t do Perry’s bidding once being placed on a board. Google…“Rose Vela” & “perry” & “campaign contributions” OR “Mark Griffin” & Perry & Hutchison. These are simply recent examples that quickly come to mind.

But…perhaps the most relevant case is that of Cameron Todd Willingham and the Forensics Science Cmsn. I’m not going to rehash all that stuff here, but suffice to say that Perry will remove and replace individuals as necessary to ensure political capital. he’s good like that — the man has SERIOUS political game. Laypeople tend to fail in understanding this.

So what I’m getting at here is that if Perry truly is for ATM to the Pac-16 (I personally believe he is) and he’s got rogue regents that fail to do his bidding, who knows what the fuck might happen. Admittedly, Gene Stallings is not your typical regent/Perry appointee. I’m guessing he really doesn’t give 2 shits about Texas politics or the fact that Perry will make sure that the light from the Governor’s Office (or any other under the dome) will ever shine on him again.

And I’m not sure about the other 4 “rogue” regents described above…but I’d bet that at least one of them has something to lose. If this is the case and Perry cares to make them change their mind, they will.

In sum, Perry rules with an iron fist. He does so even more with regard to ATM matters — something y’all all probably know. To go against him in a decision like this could potentially be political and financial suicide. Don’t second guess the connection between those two worlds. These individuals chose to get in the game and now they’ve got to play the way the coach tells them to.

on a somewhat related note, I’m somewhat amused to see Congressman Chet Edwards calling for Straus and the Dew to start having hearings on this. Personally, I love the guy…I believe that white Democrats keep a nice moderate balance in both state and federal governments. but his voice couldn’t carry less weight right now…particularly leading up to the general election with Flores. I’m not saying congress or the TX Leg won’t take a closer look at this, but Edwards getting involved at this point is just BU pulling out their biggest gun. unfortunately for BU, it’s not 1995 and the team of Buddy Jones/Ken Starr/Jim Dunnam/Chet Edwards/David Sibley is just not as strong as Bob Bullock and Ann Richards.

On a completely unrelated note, I totally forgot about that fucking annoying buzzing noise during international soccer matches. commentary in espanol + the buzzing has me wondering whether or not to press the mute button.

by sa on Jun 11, 2010 9:15 AM CDT reply actions  

“What Texas kids are you talking about? I knew exactly one kid from my graduating class who attended an SEC school (Ole Miss because he was a legacy going way back). A couple of others put in an application to Vanderbilt. Everyone else who didn’t get into UT went somewhere else in Texas. Maybe what you’re saying is true for East Texas. I don’t know because I’ve never lived there. But outside of LSU, I don’t see even East Texas kids thinking too much about attending school in the SEC.”

This was pre-10% rule when the only kids that didn’t get into Texas were the dumb kids. My cousin couldn’t get into Texas, but got a full ride to LSU and joined a sorority that was mostly Texas girls. Many more kids go to Georgia, LSU, and Arkansas they there used to be.

by Holdem on Jun 11, 2010 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Don’t fuck this up ags. You want to associate yourselves with LSU, Arkansas, Mississippi St, as opposed to UCLA, Cal, and Stanford?

by nordberg on Jun 11, 2010 9:47 AM CDT reply actions  

My sister just finished her freshman year at Bama because of 10%. Bama, Ole Miss, and LSU are taking tons of kids from Dallas, Houston, and East Texas. I don’t know about ‘most’, but if it had been me, I would have gone to Bama, Ole Miss, or Georgia before I went anywhere in Texas besides UT.

by The General on Jun 11, 2010 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

I’d like to put in a request for Scipio to give a break down on the recruiting pros and cons of these two different scenarios (particularly what will happen to Texas’ in-state recruiting):
1) Texas and all the others (A7M, Ou, OSU, & Tech) go to the Pac-10
2) If A&M goes to the SEC and the rest of us go to the Pac-10
3) any other scenario Scip might think is interesting/important.

Thanks!

by Sasha is a Longhorn Dog on Jun 11, 2010 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

On a completely unrelated note, I totally forgot about that fucking annoying buzzing noise during international soccer matches. commentary in espanol + the buzzing has me wondering whether or not to press the mute button.

ESPN, dude. English with a funny accent.

And South Africa is currently beating Los Weedeateros. Huge from an Americans-always-root-for-the-underdog standpoint and huge from a Mexico-just-sucks standpoint.

When is the Nebraska press conference scheduled to make it official today?

by Johnnymac on Jun 11, 2010 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Chinga al Tri. :)

But back on topic – I don’t know if there’s an official time for the Nubs’ presser. The Nebraska BoR meets at one – the Omaha World-Herald is liveblogging it, apparently.

http://lnk.nu/omaha.com/1brf

by kuoirad on Jun 11, 2010 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for the political primer sa, it was pretty interesting.

I would normally assume that an alum favors allegiance to a school, but I’ve always gotten the impression that Rick Perry is all about Rick Perry. Given that, I can believe that his perspective encompasses ties and political capital from anywhere, no matter the source, so long as it gives him broader and stronger support. Oddly enough, I think he actually understands that even though Texas and Aggy make strange bedfellows, they may actually be less vulnerable as a pair in this endeavor. Personal politics aside, he is undeniably a shrewd political animal. If there are snakes in the grass from other conferences, he might actually be the most likely to recognize them.

by Gate_of_Horn on Jun 11, 2010 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

There are probably more Texas kids at OU than Ole Miss, Alabama, LSU, and Georgia put together. So long as you are talking about “cultural affinity” with the SEC that is.

And jorts. You would have to go to the TX/OU game for 10 straight years to see as many jorts as at one Florida game.

by Pac 10 on Jun 11, 2010 11:55 AM CDT reply actions  

ESPN, dude. English with a funny accent.

I tried ESPN’s pre-game show, and couldn’t handle more than 10 minutes of the not so subtle PC themes.

So screw soccer, I’ll try again in 4 years.

by Nauseating syrup on Jun 11, 2010 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Honestly, I could care less about the “rivalry” with A&M. I just want the TX/OU game to continue.

My big concern is how this effects Texas recruiting. Mack has made too many strides to see it all fall apart.

Speaking of Mack, does this conference realignment play into the decision to retire/stay on? Do you think Texas wants to keep Mack in place longer, in order to guide Texas through the switch to a new conference and in establishing it as the Big Dog? In other words, how does this affect our lauded D coordinator?

by Sasha is a Longhorn Dog on Jun 11, 2010 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I can’t really say it any better than SA did. Excellent breakdown of Perry, and it’s almost inconceivable to think the A&M BOR will cross Perry with him on the cusp of another 4 years in the governorship, plus his’ rather trendy darkhorse White House status for 2012, a status that has only gotten more likely with Jindel’s Kenneth the Page flameout and Haley Barbour hiding from the oil spill. Short of a major political shift to the right that makes a DeMint candidacy viable or Jeb Bush deciding to make a go of it, Perry looks like the most likely electable Southern R Governor at this point, and the bulk of the BOR of A&M didn’t get to their place in life without clever reading of the tea leaves.

The wild card in this possible down the road, is what a Republican take over of the House means, as Joe Barton is a prominent Aggie and would reassume Chairmanship of the Energy and Commerce Committee, which is the operative committee of jurisdiction for the BCS.

by BatesHorn on Jun 11, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions  

So, our going to the Pac 10 with a&m is more likely due to Rick Perry’s presidential chances?
That sentence makes my head explode.

by nordberg on Jun 11, 2010 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

My breakdown of the Board of Regents and their political leanings is located here:

http://spenceparksoapbox.fantake.com/2010/06/11/am-board-of-regents-breakdown-how-do-they-lean/

by Ag_in_TX on Jun 11, 2010 12:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Ag – if I read your breakdown correctly, the implication is that the “thoughtful” regents are in the Stallings camp and leaning toward the SEC, while the “pawns” are basically Perry-aligned folks who will do what he wants – namely send A&M to the Pac XX.

Did I misread this, or did I capture an undercurrent in your analysis correctly?

by Levander Williams on Jun 11, 2010 12:54 PM CDT reply actions  

There is probably an undercurrent of that – I’ll admit some of that may be my bias. I should not sell the perry supporters short – there is an argument that what they are supporting is best for A&M.

by Ag_in_TX on Jun 11, 2010 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Fair enough.

by Levander Williams on Jun 11, 2010 1:15 PM CDT reply actions  

It’s official, from a reputable news service!

The Children of the Korn are off to The Industrialized North Eastern Corridor.

The soup is All-Amerikan: Farmers and SteelWorkers!

by scagnetti on Jun 11, 2010 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

“nordberg said:
June 11th, 2010 at 7:47 am

Don’t fuck this up ags. You want to associate yourselves with LSU, Arkansas, Mississippi St, as opposed to UCLA, Cal, and Stanford?"

Nordberg – doubtless Aggies’ answer to your question is (Spider Ag voice): “Hayll yes!”

by BEHorn on Jun 11, 2010 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Since Jan Brewer will be our next president, joining AZ’s conference is a good idea.

by Badgers? We don't need no Badgers on Jun 11, 2010 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

SA has it all freaking backwards. It’s not the politician that dictates to the donors. It’s the donors that dictate to the politicians! More correctly, the party dictates to the politcian. This is not about Perry shepherding the aggies, but Perry playing his assigned role in the party. Please spare me the aggie aggrandizing an aggie lines of “the man has some SERIOUS game” and “he pulls strings everywhere” and “Perry rules with an iron fist”. Puh-lease. Sounds like an aggie who take himself to seriously talking about the exaggerated influence and power of aggie nation. It just sounds like aggy being aggy to me.

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