Tommy Tuberville Nicolaus Copernicus

Today in Pope DeLoss III’s Office:

Tubby, get in here!

If Tubberville thinks that the only way a conference can survive is if all the members make the same revenue then I’ve got some real shitty news for him: that conference doesn’t exists. But maybe if Tech doesn’t like the way we do things then they won’t mind getting off our coattails in the next conference realignment.

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So that’s why dedfischer walks with a slight limp. I thought that was just his requisite west Texas plateau shuffle.

I’ve already learned some illuminating things today and it’s only 8:42. Knowledge be mine!

What has a longer shelf life – the Mack 10 or Tubby’s career in Hub City?

Good post, SR.

If Tubberville thinks that the only way a conference can survive is if all the members make the same revenue then I’ve got some real shitty news for him: that conference doesn’t exists.

No, but the conference that shares the league’s TV revenue equally — an let’s the individual schools make their own deals on the side not only exists — but thrives. Tubberville coached in that league.

BTW that model works pretty well for the Big 10 and the NFL as well.

srr,

And the only way that happens is if the top end income schools see themselves in the same displacement class as the low end schools.

Which if why I can only see UT-Austin eventually being in the Big 10 or independent.

This is the first public record that we have of Tubs realizing how stark the differences are in his new digs. Conferences – schools – athletes – environment.

The list is long. Coach T must have really wanted to get back because he surely saw some of these things before he got involved.

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Is Tubs saying the standard Tech line or has he left the reservation? He doesn’t strike me as the kind of coach who is likely to go for it on 4th down so maybe this is part of a tech plan to agitate for equal tv revenue sharing. BTW, there is no way that Texas will agree to sharing TV revenue equally. The fair way is to share TV revenue based on audience share statistics.

Since 2005, Texas Tech has scheduled and played 19 non-conference games. The home games are part of the Big 12 TV package sold, but are entirely at the discretion of Texas Tech. Of those 19 games, 13 were at home. None of those 19 games, home or away, were against BCS conference teams. 8 of those games (all at home, and so part of the package) were against D-1AA teams, and worthless to a TV broadcaster.

Explain to me why TT should get an equal share of the TV revenue as its conference mates?

Is Tubs saying the standard Tech line or has he left the reservation? He doesn’t strike me as the kind of coach who is likely to go for it on 4th down so maybe this is part of a tech plan to agitate for equal tv revenue sharing. BTW, there is no way that Texas will agree to sharing TV revenue equally. The fair way is to share TV revenue based on audience share statistics.

It is doubtful that the Big 12-2 is going to self destruct as long as Texas and OU stay, mostly because the other Big 12-2 teams don’t have better options than the Big 12-2. In the unlikely event that the Big 12-2 does self destruct, Texas will still have plenty of options.

“Explain to me why TT should get an equal share of the TV revenue as its conference mates?”

Because to do otherwise plumbs a depth of evil in the human soul not seen since WWII.

(Or so we’re told by those who bring in no TV revenue.)

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Wait, does BC have a rich uncle in Nigeria who just died? You guys are about to come into contact with $23,000,000 (Twenty three million USD). Hope you share that with the entire network.

Explain to me why TT should get an equal share of the TV revenue as its conference mates?

Cue Tim coming here to talk about Tech being part of the 3 highest rated football games in Big 12 history.

Tuberville should be more concerned about whether or not Texas keeps treating his coaching staff like our own personal farm system.

TTR hit the nail on the head.

Looks like Tech traded one loudmouth for another.

Schools like Tech & Baylor need to learn not to bite the hand that feeds you.

srr, do you know — that is, can you share — which aspects of the B10 revenue model are not shared alike?

Ag_in_Tx: I think Texas going independent is the absolute last choice. It would severely damage basketball and just about destroy anything else. There are no true independents left. ND plays non-football in the Big East. Army and Navy play in the Patriot League.

Texas has no place to go that it wants to go for non-football. Pac-10 won’t be interested, nor will the Big Ten. SEC might work, but if they wanted to do that, they could just go; and Texas won’t want to go to CUSA.

The question is what kind of deal Texas can negotiate with its future home, rather than if it can find a place to land.

But you see, the point is – healthy conferences have equal TV revenue sharing. Conferences that have unequal revenue sharing are disfunctional (like, uh, this one). The only conference I can see UT-Austin joining that they would be willing to equal revenue share is the Big 10.

Hence, as long as UT-Austin is NOT in the Big 10 or independent, it will always be in disfunctional conferences doomed to failure.

THAT FACT – is why I most wanted A&M to join the SEC – as long as we are in a conference with you, other than the Big 10 – we will be in a disfunctional conference.

But you see, the point is – healthy conferences have equal TV revenue sharing.

Do you see this as cause and effect?

I don’t. I think we could share equally in the Big 12 and not be any healthier than we are now.

I’d like to remind everyone that all the teams in the Big 12 have the same revenue sharing deal. Some just produce more revenue.

srr, do you know — that is, can you share — which aspects of the B10 revenue model are not shared alike?

BIH, IIRC, the Big 10 Network cut into what the individual universities could market on their own — specifically the third tier games in football and basketball. They still control local radio rights, signage, luxury boxes etc.

I believe Nebraska is having to make adjustments with its $130 million past with IMG because some of those rights will go over to the conference.

Aggie – Putting the dis in dysfunction.

Exactly. Even if revenue were shared equally, as long as Big 12-2 conference revenue trailed that of other conferences, schools would still flirt w/ higher-paying conferences. But, of course, they’d say they want to leave b/c of “academics.”

@ AIT – No, you gomers want to leave b/c you can’t cut it against Texas.

“But you see, the point is – healthy conferences have equal TV revenue sharing. Conferences that have unequal revenue sharing are disfunctional (like, uh, this one).”

As noted above, you’re making an assumption about causation that isn’t necessarily warranted. Conferences with multiple superpowers (Michigan, tOSU, even Penn St) may share revenue equally; the minute that Aggy, or Tech, or Baylor, or whoever gets to the level of something beyond Minnesota or Northwestern, let us know.

TaylorT speaks true. Tech could have made more television money with a better non-conference schedule, so our middle position in TV revenue is our own fault. I think what’s sticking in our craw right now is that we got our hopes up thinking of shared revenue in the Pac16, and then we’re told that the new 10-team deal gives three schools a guaranteed $20 million each. Now you’ve got a fixed revenue disparity, and one of the three teams hasn’t won a bowl game in like 10 years.

Tuberville has already said he’d like to schedule an SEC game in non-conf, so that’s good news. I think in the next five years Tech will aim to maximize TV revenue under the current rules and hope that they have a more recognized brand when conference realignment hits again.

If we come off a bit pissy for a few months, we apologize. The sooner we can just play football again, the better.

Now you’ve got a fixed revenue disparity, and one of the three teams hasn’t won a bowl game in like 10 years.

Ouch.

the new 10-team deal gives three schools a guaranteed $20 million each.

Has anyone seen “guaranteed” associated with the possible TV revenue? I think the more appropriate term is “projected”.

This Big 12 is essentially the parents deciding to stay together until the kids get out of high school. I expect graduation to be within 3-5 years.

Thanks for all, srr…

I hope you’re right, General. I can live with the ‘get paid because they televise you’ scheme, but the thought of the Aggies getting $20 million after a decade of mediocrity makes me want to throw a goal post.

srr, we’re praying Tuberville can get us a diploma. Otherwise we’ll end up in the Mountain West after the next shakeup.

Consider this – Utah is one of the top programs in the MWC. Their TV revenue in 2009 was $1.5 million. Imagine how they’re feeling about $14-17 million in the Pac12.

Consider this – Utah is one of the top programs in the MWC. Their TV revenue in 2009 was $1.5 million. Imagine how they’re feeling about $14-17 million in the Pac12.

I wonder just how confident some of those Pac 10 AD’s are that Colorado and Utah will help generate enough income from the new Pac 12 Network to ensure that the pie — now split 12 ways — will be big enough to meet those numbers.

Well, they do get a CCG if they want one….

Tubs is becoming one of my favorites for not spouting the Big xii has never been stronger bullshit like Deloss and co. The structure of this league is unfair and even if Texas wins the naitonal line will be they we had a stacked deck.

Tommy and I go way back. ( I met him in Rev. Wright’s church). He’s not suggesting socialized football- he just wants fair treatment for all…

“Now you’ve got a fixed revenue disparity, and one of the three teams hasn’t won a bowl game in like 10 years.”

Plus that team is only on TV 5 times a year.

Awesome.

No way I get a hall pass to join that road trip, but an invite would be cherished nonetheless.

I really loathe Tech,

Bring something to the table, anything, before you demand a “fair” sharing.

Someone want to explain how cutting Vandy an equal share of the TV revenue hurts Alabama, Florida, and LSU? And why the Big 12 is different?

Seriously curious.

Someone want to explain how cutting Vandy an equal share of the TV revenue hurts Alabama, Florida, and LSU? And why the Big 12 is different?

Seriously curious.

The Big 12 is different because of a lack of historical ties.

The two leagues that have equal revenue sharing — the Big 10 and the SEC — have deep-rooted connections that reach across decades, and those connections were formed long before money became the driving force in athletics.

The Southeastern Conference was formed in 1932, and with exceptions of South Carolina and Arkansas, every other program is a charter member of the SEC.

The Big 10 originated as the Western Conference in 1899, and didn’t become the Big 10 until Ohio State joined it in 1912. That’s a long time to build up relationships that reach across athletic and academic boundaries.

When you have worked together for decades, it is easier to picture your league only as strong as its weakest link. That makes is easier to use the “rising tide raises all boats” theory to conference matters.

The Big 12 was a marriage of convenience. Texas has grudgingly acted as a protective big brother to some of its old SWC bretheren — thanks to political pressure, and I seriously doubt that either Nebraska or OU felt a real need to see to it that their old Big 8 companions were taken care of.

This new Big 12-2 is even more of a shotgun marriage, and there is even less of an incentive to see to it that everyone at least stable financially.

When you partner with someone in a business deal, most generally are predicated on the partner with the most invested or at stake having the most in return. I don’t see the investment Texas has made in their football program matched by other big whatever schools. Therefore, they may be getting a proportionate share of the revenue, based on their investment level. Anybody study that?

BTW I would venture to guess the Iowa States and Baylors of the world are getting a pretty good ROI riding the big three schools. Would also think that their entire athletic program is funded by their affiliation and not by direct investment.

“’Now you’ve got a fixed revenue disparity, and one of the three teams hasn’t won a bowl game in like 10 years.’

Plus that team is only on TV 5 times a year."

That’s because the Ags have a hard time winning when the games are broadcast.

Yeah, it’s worked out so great for Vandy. Until 2008, they had gone 26 yrs w/o making it to a bowl game.

It seems like Tuberville/Tech should have a beef w/ A&M, not UT.

srr,

I read that the Big 12 also shares bowl revenue, with 1/2 going to the school and 1/2 going to the conference to be divided among member institutions. Does the Big 12 handle bowl revenue in this manner? Do other conferences? Is this money included in the TV packages that have been projected?

If you don’t mind weighing in on this, it would be nice to know how the different conferences handle it.

What is the rationale for the state of Texas subsidizing schools in (for example) Kansas or Iowa (or any other state)? Texas should also not be subsidizing Baylor (a private religious U). The TV money that Texas can generate should be spent within UT. If Texas plays in a bowl game, that money should stay in Texas (i.e. not be shared with other conference members). IIRC, Iowa State gets about 2/3 as much conference TV money as Texas. In reality, Texas must have an order of magnitude larger TV audience than Iowa State.

Conferences that are relatively geographically compact are fine for all the sports except for football. Because of the revenues involved, football should be treated as a special case. In football, for a superpower like Texas, a geographically based conference probably is an entangling alliance that reduces our options. Having said that, the Big 12-2 has made it straight forward for OU and UT to get to an MNC game in recent years.

A premier league approach, where the top U’s compete in a football only league to determine the national champion would be much more interesting and would generate huge amounts of revenue for the premier league members. Every league game would have the potential to be awesome. The premier league membership would change from year to year depending on preseason rankings.

The reason that U’s like tOSU, Michigan, Florida, LSU do well has nothing to do with conference revenue sharing and is mostly about demographics. The SEC consists of the old South slave states and those states still have a high percentage of blacks in the population. That is an advantage WRT producing elite homegrown football players. The Big 10 mostly consists of states with large populations (eg: Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Illinois, etc) so they produce a relatively large number of homegrown football players. Demographics and culture are why the SEC and Big 10+2 are good in football (not conference revenue sharing).