Roger Clemens Indicted For Perjury

Hey Rocket, watch out for your cornhole, bud.

I abhor liars and cheaters.

Just a repugnant story all the way around.

The amount of bandwidth consumed by elected politicians and various law enforcement on Roger Clemens and Lance Armstrong is just baffling to me.

Why is it so easy to get perjury charges against professional athletes who lie about super unimportant shit like what sorts of substances they took to maximize their earning potential at great risk of physical harm to themselves only, but simultaneously so difficult to get someone to bring perjury charges against the whole series of lying-ass investment bankers and derivative swappers who lied to various subcommittees and the public at large about the things they did to maximize their earning potentials at great risk to the financial well-being of millions of American citizens?

Toad,

It has taken awhile to indict RC, and it will take awhile to do the same to Wall Street. But it will happen.

When they decide to make it a crime for Congress to lie to the general public I may decide to give a squirt about some non-public official lying to Congress.

But not one day earlier.

It is beyond my understanding why he even agreed to submit himself to the questioning of these attention-whoring, know-nothing grand larcenists on an issue that they have no business or need to even be investigating.

Show trials! They’re not just for Soviets anymore!

The WaPo article you link to says “[i]f convicted, he faces 15 to 21 months in prison.” Where’s the 30 year figure from?

They say federal prosecutors hit at a 95% rate. Sucks.

It is beyond my understanding why he even agreed to submit himself to the questioning of these attention-whoring, know-nothing grand larcenists on an issue that they have no business or need to even be investigating.
Subpoenaed, correct?

He could have told the truth or refused to talk about it like Mark McGwire did. He brought it all upon himself.

The WaPo article you link to says "[i]f convicted, he faces 15 to 21 months in prison." Where’s the 30 year figure from?

Clemens was indicted on six counts, and according to federal code he could recieve up to 5 years for each count. Obviously as a first offener, and a famous baseball player, he would serve nowhere near the maximum.

BTW I assume his biggest problem in trial will not be McNamee, but Andy Pettitte.

He wasn’t even subpoenaed though, the arrogant bastard deserves whatever he gets from the feds. He volunteered to testify, and then straight up lied like a son of a bitch for all to see. Way to go genius! Motherfucker even tried to pin it on his own wife.

Pinning it on his wife looked bad at the time. Then everyone found out that he started balling Mindy McCready when she was 15 and it looked even worse.

I’m not sure whose idea it was for him to testify and be so unequivocal in his testimony. But it was a bad idea.

Because baseball relied upon the gov’t for special treatment in the form of the anti-trust laws, this does make this a gov’t issue. They got special treatment for decades. The owners knew steroid stuff was going on, benefitted from the false boon of the McGwire types, and deserve to be held up for public inspection and gutted.

He’s a douchenozzle of the first order and his getting his comeuppance for being an arrogant ass.

I could give a rat’s ass about the roids. He couldn’t man up and admit his wrongdoing.

As a Red Sox fan, I’ll be chuckling about this and slapping hi fives with my fellow Boston supporters at Fenway tomorrow night.

Clemens cheated, and then he lied. He lied at a time when it was obvious he had cheated and they had the goods on him. He’s an arrogant prick and his lawyer is a dumbass who should be disbarred for letting his client commit perjury.

“Why is it so easy to get perjury charges against professional athletes who lie about super unimportant shit like what sorts of substances they took to maximize their earning potential at great risk of physical harm to themselves only, but simultaneously so difficult to get someone to bring perjury charges against the whole series of lying-ass investment bankers and derivative swappers who lied to various subcommittees and the public at large about the things they did to maximize their earning potentials at great risk to the financial well-being of millions of American citizens?”

Because the politicians didn’t assist in injecting the athletes with the illegal drugs.

“He’s an arrogant prick and his lawyer is a dumbass who should be disbarred for letting his client commit perjury.”

You’ve clearly stated Clemens’s biggest problem. But lawyers can’t prevent clients from doing stupid things… they can only advise them not to do them.

“Toadvine said:
August 19th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

Why is it so easy to get perjury charges against professional athletes who lie about super unimportant shit like what sorts of substances they took to maximize their earning potential at great risk of physical harm to themselves only, but simultaneously so difficult to get someone to bring perjury charges against the whole series of lying-ass investment bankers and derivative swappers who lied to various subcommittees and the public at large about the things they did to maximize their earning potentials at great risk to the financial well-being of millions of American citizens?
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Cuz we got alll the money yo. And cuz no one understands what we do above sort of the the third grade reading level.

You know, there are too many people in this world with bad things happening to them despite doing nothing wrong. I feel sorry for those people. I can’t muster up much sympathy for people like Clemens who brought it upon themselves.

I can haz mezzanine lending?

You’ve clearly stated Clemens’s biggest problem. But lawyers can’t prevent clients from doing stupid things… they can only advise them not to do them.

Clemens wasn’t even subject to subpoena. He lied in his opening statement, which he read from a notebook. His lawyer should have told him, “If you insist upon doing this, I’m not your lawyer anymore.” The guy sat beside him while he did it, and whispered in his ear while he was doing it. And he’s still his lawyer.

Can we keep him away from all UT events now? Nothing good can come of hime being there.

Toadvine – the answer lies in the relative difficulty of understanding complex derivative securities, vs. understanding whether Clemens did or did not stick an HGH needle in his own ass.

But at least this means we’ll be spared endless sideline interviews with the Rocked & Moppets during the middle of our games.

Thanks for wasting my money on real unimportant shit. I mean the Clinton lied to a federal judge and we are going after Clemens on this shit.

The chances that they get a conviction are about the same as Henry James getting laid at a Star Wars convention.

The difference between Clements and the wall street scum bags is that Congress has proof of Clements perjury. In addition to the legislative protection wall street has, it’s members are a helluva lot smarter than Clements. Congress is simply choosing a battle they can win.

I think he should immediately hire Blagojevich as a consultant. Dude was on tape saying he wanted favors for a Senate appointment and the feds could only get him on one count (of course that one count was lying to the feds).

Although, Blago does have much better hair than the Rocket these days.

@ Us Taxpayer:

They have two witnesses to testify that he did drugs, one of whom is somehat shady but was more believable than Clemens in the hearings and who also saved physical evidence and one who was one of his best friends who admitted his own usage and doesn’t seem to have been the least bit ostracised by his peers or the non-Longhorn public for giving Rog up.

I’d say that in a Federal court he’s fucked. He is about to find out what hell is like, and unfortunately he has dragged his family along with him. If he gets even a little less stupid in the next few months, he’ll cop a plea. That way, sometime down the road, he can spin it that he wasn’t really guilty but copped to spare his family and fans. Recent history leaves me pessimistic about his judgement, though.

Stupid!

Indications are from the Post story and reports on ESPN that the Feds have accumulated even more evidence against him while they investigated the perjury referral. They also have a hard-on for him for being so defiant, when it’s obvious he did it. So copping a plea may not even be an option, thanks to his own stupidity.

What a waste of taxpayer dollars.

would just like to point out that while doing his nefarious deeds he had no expectation of any govt bailout and in fact would have laughed a lot if anyone would have suggested he would have been bailed out

I’m still having trouble understanding what the hell the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform has to do with “policing” professional sports. There are far more important things to investigate than steroids and HGH. Certainly government reform falls in that category, but that would be allowing the fox to guard the henhouse, wouldn’t it?

hi!

So this is my taxpayer dollars at work. Once again, I’m not surprised.

Not making excuses for Roger . . . but this is ridiculous.

“As a Red Sox fan, I’ll be chuckling about this and slapping hi fives with my fellow Boston supporters at Fenway tomorrow night.”

Yeah because he did nothing for the Red Sox. He totally didn’t carry your shitty team for years. NOMAHHHHH!

Anyway, am I the only guy who thinks Clemens in prison would make a freaking great reality show.

The federal anti-trust exemption in no way justifies congressional hearings on steroid use by the players. The exemption benefits the owners. It does not benefit the players. It is beyond overly simplistic to argue that there is any actual relation between the exemption and the hearings.

This is more the classic — “look at this shiny thing over here” distraction.

The federal anti-trust exemption in no way justifies congressional hearings on steroid use by the players. The exemption benefits the owners. It does not benefit the players.

The owners knew damn well what was going on in their game — and they looked the other way for the finanical gain.

That’s where a congressional investigation should have gone.

Roger should have done like McGuire and invoked the 5th. Most likely, roger was trying to keep alive his hope of getting into the hall of fame. Now it is time to plea bargain. If he promises to do beaucoup community service, he will probably do minimal time (if any) in a federal prison. The good news for Roger (if he does go to fed prison) is that federal prisons are much better run than state prisons and have way fewer violent prisoners so the chances of Roger getting raped or even beat up in a federal white collar crime prison is very, very low.

It would be a better world if it was a crime for a congressman to lie to us..

gratitude, red sox fan. Do you think a 40 yr old Jim Rice and fucking Mike Greenwell carried you guys in the late 80’s along with Marty fucking Barrett and oil can boyd? Ha! Nommmaaahhhh!

Granted, I still think he’s a prick but will my autographed Clemens UT jersey go up in value if he gets thrown in the clink?

So Andy Petite is now telling the truth….better yet Congress is telling the truth……..

Yeah, because not telling the under oath to the Federal Government will get you indicted for perjury, or haven’t you noticed. Congress isn’t going to testifty against Clemens, so I really don’t know what that last thing means.

To my knowledge, Pettite never publicly denied doing drugs so, unless I’m mistaken about that, what do you mean by “now”? If he did, then I apologize for in advance for asking the question.

This is complete BS. I am really ticked off over this and it has nothing to do that Roger is a former Horn. Here is what chaffs my rotund arse:

1. WTF my tax dollars go to waste on this circus show? Why didn´t they just call up Bud and say – show some dam leadership for once?

2. If he perjured – whom did he hurt? What is the big deal? Why waste my tax dollars on it? All perjury would do is take credit away from an otherwise HOFer and give to another lying sleazeball who was affiliated with a Major League Club and promoted the use of steroids. So the guy who proliferated is exonerated and the liar spanked?

3. What kind of process and investigation led to this kangaroo court? Bring up all stars – no others need testify. And lets see how we handle liars – and they were all liars – Clemens indict, Sosa no and on and on. Why don´t you pols focus on spending taxpayer dollars effectively and come up with ideas that support people getting to work?

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