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Measuring up to the Rival

One of my favorite preseason rituals is to match up the good guys with the land thieves across all the positions and note which squad is stronger where.

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As a general rule OU rules RB and LB while Texas typically has the advantage at DB and QB. Where they often go back and forth is in the trenches, Defensive Line is almost always a main strength for both squads while the OLs ebb and flow based on graduation and other infuriating factors.

Because of that fact, the squad with the better offensive line generally wins with the possible exception of 2008 when Texas won with a line that failed to control games like their Sooner counterparts (although they were at least fairly consistent while OU's got jacked by UT and UF). Let's begin.

Quarterback-Texas

Gilbert is going to be asked to win games for Texas while Landry Jones plays a facilitator role hitting the screens and outs left open when teams commit resources to stopping the run. Kevin Wilson saw in the spread an opportunity to employ a power running game against fewer defenders with more contraint options. Greg Davis (eventually) saw in the spread freedom to flood the field with even more short-passing options.

I know NateHeupel and other Sooners will justifiably argue that Jones might be more of a known commodity than Gilbert but I counter with this; if they switched teams could Gilbert run Jones' offense? Could Landry do what Gilbert can? If you answered yes and no you get my point, if not let's just move on.

Interior OL-Even

Habern is being talked up like an NFL center if his ankles stay healthy, I like Snow a lot but I'll give the edge to Habern. Huey holds a small advantage over Stephen Good on the same assumption as above that a season with healthy ankles and friendlier schemes will see him make good on some serious hinted potential. I don't know much about RG Evans and nor do I know what will happen with Mason Walters and Tray Allen. These are potentially Texas' 2 most athletic guards so it will be interesting if the coaches decide to redshirt Allen, move Walters to the bench, or pair them on the right side.

We'll call this a draw.

Tackles-OU

I have very little faith in Britt Mitchell. Definitely less faith than I have in OU's most recent TE-to-tackle project, Mensik. On the left side they have another growing, unproven athlete in Donald Stephenson vs. Kyle Hix who is a known commodity with a limited ceiling for the position.

Hix will probably be underrated this year for a few missed blocks in pass protection that cover what is likely to be a dominant season of run-blocking. It is further likely that neither teams' tackles are remotely prepared to handle the defensive ends of the opposing squad. I think Hix is the best out of the 4 mentioned here, but I'm choosing OU because I expect Stephenson and Mensik to grow into a pair of players that are better than what Mitchell and Hix can become.

RB-OU

It isn't really close here. Scipio makes the case for Cody Johnson as the starter while NateHeupel projects a 1600 offensive yardage season from DeMarco Murray. Texas has plenty of decent options for depth but OU pulls in better recruits here almost every season. While the Texas system is designed to maximize the quarterback as a weapon, OU's offense is much more friendly to the backs. They run screens well and ask their backs to hit holes generated by premium linemen blocking down and pulling.

I know Texas has clowned this running game the last few years but even in 2007 when Texas stuffed most everything there was a crucial 65 yard touchdown in a one score game by Murray after a miscue by Bobino. The dude also went for 116 yards receiving last year. Texas doesn't have a proven weapon like that at RB. Yet.

TE/HB/FB-Texas:

I can't speak real authoritatively here on OU's personnel but Matthews' ability to stretch the field and block paired with Smith who has pretty sticky fingers, if no open field athleticism, seems like enough to give the edge to the good guys. Eldridge is gone, Gresham is gone, Clapp is gone. Is there anything in the cupboard? Hopefully NateHeupel or someone will show up and fill in with better info here and elsewhere. Until then, I'm guessing that Stoops is having as much trouble finding someone who can block AND catch as Mack has had.

WR-Even

Broyles is head and shoulders above anyone lining up at Texas and then you have a true freshman Kenny Stills...and some other guys. Scipio has pointed out that Texas can at least stretch out a defensive backfield with multiple solid options and then hit wherever the weakness are. I'm going to point out again here that this is putting a lot more responsibility on Gilbert then Landry will have finding Murray on a screen or Broyles on an out.

When OU plays Texas or Nebraska (hopefully they don't)  and AJ or Prince is draped over Broyles what do they do? You saw this with Shipley last year, most teams could not eliminate him but if they did Texas' offensive production was effectively halved.

Defensive End-Texas

OU is experimenting with the Buck package for 3rd downs with Ronnel Lewis as the Buck and Beal spinning down to the 3-tech. Beal and Acho are virtually the same player though I'll give Beal the edge in overall talent and his production has been a bit better. Eddie Jones and Alexander compare similarly but then Texas has Okafor, Jeffcoat, Wilson, Johnson and Ronnels-counterpart Emmanuel. You will notice over the course of these unit breakdowns that Texas' victories over OU in recruiting have yielded some big differences in depth, even where OU is strong.

Defensive Tackle-Texas

If  I could trade any Texas player for a Sooner at the same position I would take a healthy Adrian Taylor in exchange for Calvin Howell. As it stands though, Taylor is hurt and the 2 next best tackles on the roster are nose guards. Randall is of course the superior to either of them. Should Taylor come back strong and healthy this season, by say early october, perhaps OU will carry this matchup. Otherwise it's McFarland/Walker and Beal vs. Randall and Acho.

Linebacker-Oklahoma

This is no longer the slam dunk it normally is for Venables' crew but still a place where they have more developed talent. Travis Lewis has done for 2 years already what we hope Keenan Robinson will do this year. The mohawk of the Sooner people is in reality a hunter-killer drone programmed by Venables to seek and destroy ball carriers.

Ronnel Lewis is getting a lot of attention for his hard-hitting and ridiculous speed (an alleged 4.5 40) that will see him on the field at SLB/Buck, but Acho uno ocho is equally adept at flying from sideline to sideline and would play the Buck were Muschamp not equipped with several pass-rushing specialists or if Acho didn't possess the mental faculties to move over to Mike in the nickel, which Lewis lacks the necessary schematic understanding to do. Unless Lewis shows Kindle-esque productivity in his pass-rushing role, which is possible, Texas wins this matchup.

Austin Box Tom Wort is a faster, more coverage-friendly option than Earnest/Norton although at 6'0'' 220 he's less of a prototypical run-stuffer. Texas could be the stouter team up the middle but that has limited value in this league, and it's not as though OU will be soft. If Texas needs to go nickel and have someone capable of coverage at Mike they slide over Acho. The Sooners will remove the 3-tech and slide Beal and Lewis down when they go nickel. Both systems are sound and loaded with playmakers, but Travis Lewis makes the difference.

Safety-Even

Overall at defensive back, besides there additionally existing better talent at the top, there is more depth and options for Texas than OU.

Starting at Free Safety you have Quinton Carter vs. Blake Gideon. From a numbers perspective, Carter had 88 stops in 2009 along with 4 picks. Gideon had 62 tackles with 6 picks and neither forced a fumble. They are fairly close in production but in his 2nd year starting I'm guessing Carter is better as he is the more physical player.

Because watching Sam Proctor play was akin to allowing a proctologist to examine him every saturday, Stoops moved his best Corner, Nelson, over to strong safety. He's a sub-200 pounder but he brings significantly more options to the secondary than Proctor. The good guys counter with Christian Scott and Kenny Vaccaro who don't have the on field production of Nelson but, being 2 in number, can cover more offensive threats on the field.

I'm not sure what OU does here in the nickel but after Carter and Nelson there aren't options like Vaccaro demanding time on the field.

Corner-Ha Ha Ha Ha!

Demontre Hurst is the best defensive back with a C by his name on the roster. He's not a 4.4 burner but he plays physical...he's also 5'9" 165 pounds. If Malcolm Williams turns out to be a difference maker this season I'm not sure what Oklahoma will do to him because pressing him at the line with Hurst would be ridiculous and covering him over the top with safety help expensive and still somewhat dubious in effectiveness.

At the other spot they have Jamell Fleming, who is 5'11" at least but not yet anything close to a shutdown corner. Nelson was supposed to be an answer here but we addressed how Stoops' alleged recovery from hemorrhoids ruled that out as an option.

Against most teams they'll be content with what they have but against the 6-3 220 pounds types that can run a 4.5 or better and go up for the deep ball they don't really have an answer. Jackson and Franks were really good last year and their departure is the biggest blow to the D.

Special Teams-Texas

They are having open tryouts for kicker, as I'm sure you heard. While Stoops seems to have no end of booming punters special teams plays have had him running for his preparation H in the last 2 RR games. Go read NateHeupel's trepidation about using Broyles on returns and you'll see the mentality that has held back OU in this department the last few years.

Stoops overall strategy is this:

1). Hammer whatever you love to do on offense and even manufacture turnovers from this aggressiveness.

2). Spread you out and then make you defend power runs and screens led by the nastiest OL he can find or manufacture along with throws to the sideline to a cast of receiving options that have approached greatness.

Their philosophy on offense is of the same variety that they love to destroy with their defense, base plays and tactics that will require you to out-execute their athletes. When they encounter teams with comparable players and more complex schemes they lose. The no-huddle was a logical extension of this philosophy in increasing the number of encounters between your linemen and their own on both sides, insuring that the better group (usually theirs) won.

In this overall philosophy there isn't a great appreciation for special teams. They've had great returners (Antonio Perkins) but they haven't mastered the Texas system of using exceptional talent to create game-changing opportunities in the plays that take place on fourth down. Meanwhile Mack takes delight in his rugby punts, trick plays, and return game and for good reason as special teams plays have finished big wins for Mack and were a wildly successful part of the gameplan for beating Alabama. Big advantage to Texas.

To conclude this state of the Rivalry, Texas has maintained dominance at QB and DB after some strong runs by OU in the last few seasons, battled even in the trenches, and bridged much of the gap at linebacker. ESPN will be airing Cibolo Steele as he opens their season this Saturday and you'll be able to find the proposed answer at Running back then.

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nice article. Somehow we never blow these guys out.

I hope we finally click this year but i wouldn’t be surprised with a close loss

by horninhk on Aug 28, 2010 5:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Fun write-up.

I am sure that Nate, and other Sooners will dispute some areas.

The Sooners to me are acting very Aggie-ish this year in assuming that Landry will transform into the Second Coming of Sam and that clear indications by the coaches that there are issues with the Defensive Tackles is actually evidence of strengths. Rightttttt!!!!!!

They also assume that their freshman wide receiver can be Broyles II and that again this is a sign of strength instead of evidence of how crappy the rest of their receivers are. Rightttt!!!!

They have realistically bemoaned their concerns on the place-kicking duties. Maybe they admit this because place-kicking issues can be solved more easily by mail-order Prozac or hot night in downtown Norman.

They have assumed that their new cornerbacks will be great. Rightttttt!!!!!!!

They have also assumed that their OL will be much better than ours even with the carcasses of QB’s laying all over the place from last year. Righttt!!!!!

My take:

No question that Landry has more experience than GG, but that is not necessarily good. He has not proven the ability to win games away from Oklahoma other than against Stanford with their second-string QB and lower athleticism to OU. Last time I checked the RRS is away from their security blanket, AKA Owen Field.

I see OL has a slight positive for us because we have people in the system for years vs. OU’s younger class with a history of injury and Puking for Patton. OU will clearly be better here next year. This year? Who knows since OL’s are such a system issue.

DL we are in better shape than OU at tackle until Taylor proves he is really back. DE, we are clearly better due to depth and in a pass-happy conference even great DE’s get tired in the second half.

LB’s are close enough as the OP said to make us feel great compared to previous years, plus we actually have Coach Boom who knows how to coach them.

To quote on DB’s: ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!

by LonghornsWin on Aug 28, 2010 6:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Isn’t Austin Box injured? If so, what’s the calculus with Tom Wort playing?

by TKO on Aug 28, 2010 8:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Crap, good catch TKO. Everything I wrote about Box applies to Wort, who is the guy I was actually thinking of in the writeup.

LonghornsWin: I don’t know how I whiffed on using the Clipper Cooper laugh. Hopefully Sooner fans are as deluded as you suggest on Kenny Stills, if he’s a playmaker as a freshman than that paints an ugly future with him in their lineup for the next few years.

by Nickel Rover on Aug 28, 2010 8:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Nice writeup. Here’s another take-

Position coaches:

QB: OU- Heupel, UT- Davis. Both are terrific at teaching the position to players of varying talent mixes. Even.

RB: OU- Norvell, UT- Applewhite. Both are only as good as what you give them.

WR: OU- I don’t know. UT- Kennedy- See above comment

OL: OU- Patton, UT- McWhorter. McWhorter is superior for the 1980s and 1990s game. Patton is superior for the game played this decade.

TE: Wilson, UT- Chambers. Both have side jobs (Wilson is OC, and Chambers is recruiting coordinator). Wilson is better at coaching TEs.

DE: OU- BJ Wright, UT- Giles. Ha-ha-ha-ha!

DT: OU- Shipp, UT- Tolly. Tolly was an advantage here even before Shipp had to start helpin with the DEs.

LB: OU- Venables, UT- Muschamp. As LB coaches, call it even (Venables has the edge on record, Muschamp has improved his position the most).

DB: OU- Martinez, UT- Akina. Akina is one of the best (the UT defensive staff is uniformly excellant at teaching their positions). I don’t know about Martinez, but if he’s OK, he will be an improvement over what they had (Norm Hitzges talks about what disappointments drafyed Sooner DBs are in the NFL).

by TaylorTRoom on Aug 28, 2010 8:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Look at the actual matchups.

Texas OL vs OU DL/LB – Advantage OU
Texas QB/RB/WR vs OU LB/DB – Even
Texas OC vs OU DC – Even
Texas DL/LB vs OU OL – Advantage Texas
Texas LB/DB vs OU QB/RB/WR – Advantage Texas
Texas DC vs OU OC – Advantage Texas
Texas Special teams vs OU Special teams – Advantage Texas
Mack vs Stoops – Advantage Texas

by BebopHorn on Aug 28, 2010 9:29 AM CDT reply actions  

OOps, I meant Gundy as RB coach for OU, and Norvell as WR coach.

by TaylorTRoom on Aug 28, 2010 9:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Nickel,

Also might highlight how bad or at least small the OU CBs are that Stills is lighting them up.

Seems to me that overall, the first teams at Texas and OU may be pretty close, but the depth is on our side at most positions, so we may have a very even first half and then Texas pulls away for a 6-10 point win in the second half. Sound familiar?

The depth issue may be that much more important given the start time of 2 30. Still likely to be very warm in early October.

Lastly, I cannot get too concern about their stellar RB DM until he shows he can average more than a yard a carry against our defense.

by LonghornsWin on Aug 28, 2010 10:04 AM CDT reply actions  

LB = even, WR = OU, IMO.

by nordberg on Aug 28, 2010 10:30 AM CDT reply actions  

TaylorTRoom: That’s another interesting take, the decreased gap at LB has an obvious source when taken from that perspective but then Muschamp has had better talent (and not entirely of his own doing) than his predecessors. He may have fashioned Sergio, Keenan and Acho into what they are but somebody else got them here.

BebopHorn: I’m going to preempt everyone else and say that Greg Davis vs. Venables/Stoops is not really an even match. Against Venables/Stoops Davis has had this record:

2004: He lost despite having both Cedric Benson and Vince Young
2005: Win
2006: Draw (OU outgained Texas 333-232)
2007: Draw
2008: Win
2009: Near total defeat.

2008 is the only year in which you could really say Davis did an impressive job, the wins in 06 and 09 were primarily defensive victories and the loss in 04 was impressively poor.

by RolloTamasi on Aug 28, 2010 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

I’ll take it point by point…..

QB—I generally agree with the caretaker opinion on Jones, but to say Gilbert could run Jones’s while Jones couldn’t run Gilbert’s is based on assumptions your making from watching Gilbert for exactly two quarters. I think he’ll be quite good, but none of us really know that yet.

Interior OL—fine

Tackle-Mensik was our best o lineman in the bowl game, at 268 pounds. He’ll really develop this year.

RB—Murray has to prove that he can stay on the field as THE guy. For OU to bank on it that we can give him the ball 25 times a game over the whole season is a dangerous proposition. There’s talent at backup, especially if Calhoun can hold on to the ball. I suspect this is something we’ll be forced to learn about during the season. We’ll miss Chris Brown.

TE/HB/FB—We’re nowehere at TE, IMO, but they LOVE Millard, the true frosh fullback from Columbia, Mo. He’s going to start. They think he’s JD Runnells II.

WR—Broyles will get his, even with all the attention. If Kenny Stills is what they think he is then this matchup becomes a clear advantage for Oklahoma. Cam Kenney still being on the two deep is a concern, though. He should be starting at UCO, not second stringing at OU.

Front four (or three)—I think a bigger question mark for OU than corner, where I think we’ll be fine. This was the strength of our D last year. This year it’s the question mark.

LB—It is quite possible that by the end of the year Ronnell Lewis is being featured on GameDay. We can’t make sure fire assumptions now, but this kid looks like he could be the best of all the Venables creations at LB. He’s a bonafide killer on kick coverage too (see Sun Bowl). Travis Lewis is Travis Lewis and should be All League. If Wort is what they think he is, then not only does Oklahoma win the LB matchup versus UT, it’s the best LB group in the nation.

Safety—Carter is a good, as Ribby would say, and Nelson can play, though perhaps a bit undersized. Fleming and Hurst are question marks now, but I think they’ll be fine, especially considering how Beal, Lewis and Lewis will get after the QB.

This defense could set a school record for sacks.

Kicker will cost OU a game this season, as it cost OU at least one, maybe two last season. Tress Way is an NFL punter and he might deliver (through field position) OU a game this year. I have no problem with Broyles returning punts as he’s one of the best in the country. I don’t, however, want him or Murray returning kickoffs. That’s where the injuries happen.

Neither team, IMO, is a lock national championship contender this year. Winning the conference and a big bowl will be the stakes on October 2nd. I’ll be there…for the 26th consecutive year.

by NorthDallasSooner on Aug 28, 2010 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

We never blow them out because they always have talent and good coaches. On at least two occassions in the past 10 years we had neither show up on game day.

by Whistling on Aug 28, 2010 11:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Rollo,
You’re right about Venables vs. Davis…..I blew that one.

by BebopHorn on Aug 28, 2010 7:05 PM CDT reply actions  

2004: He lost despite having both Cedric Benson and Vince Young

Not only did he lose, but the offense he “coordinated” didn’t score a single, fucking point with the greatest offensive player in the history of college football and the sixth all-time leading rusher in NCAA history. We surrendered the nation’s longest scoring streak in the process.

by Blueshorn on Aug 29, 2010 12:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Every year some QB plays out of his mind against us and generally never sees that rare air again. I hope it’s not Landry this year.. Last year it was Jerrod and I doubt if he does that again this year at DKR.

by derryl on Aug 29, 2010 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Enjoyed the responses by NDs here and Nate over on his blog.

Good discussion guys.

by Jongleur on Aug 29, 2010 2:41 PM CDT reply actions  

The only thing that really stands out should be the difference on special teams. Mack and Co. clearly have the special teams advantage, and that makes a world of difference in close games, which I expect this year’s to be. I award UT 3 points for this.

Also, on offense I like the matchup between our receivers and their corners. I’ll award UT another 3 points for that.

On the other side of the ball, I’m not sure OU has any matchup that’s as good that help them move down the field. But Landry Jones may be likely to turn the ball over less than GG, maybe. So I’ll award the Sooners 3 points for experience at QB.

We’re probably looking at something like a 3-6 point win in UT’s favor, with a good chance of an OU win if Gilbert turns the ball over more than one more time than Landry Jones.

by Capt. Obvious on Aug 30, 2010 10:37 AM CDT reply actions  

“while Landry Jones plays a facilitator role hitting the screens and outs left open when teams commit resources to stopping the run.”

Huh?
I think every Horn remembers the sideline pass to Broyles in the RRR with the ensuing TD all Broyles. Jones threw plenty of pretty deep balls last year (Tennell dropped 2 sure TD bombs all by himself) and throws everything under 30 yards on a rope. All 3 of Broyles TDs in the bowl game were in seams down the middle – nothing to do with screens or outs. Seriously undervaluing Jones’ arm here…

by Phaeded on Aug 30, 2010 7:14 PM CDT reply actions  

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