Pac-12 Football Divisions Set

Texas should be there.

And where does Texas fit in all of this? In the south and bump Utah to the North? Just wonderin’ cause you know it’s coming.

Sheeeeeeee-it.That’s a bullshit concession to the California schools. Between this and the fact that the revenue sharing isn’t so equal after all and the new Pac-12 looks like a real ass fucking for the schools in the Northwest. The proposed Pac-16 would have been so much better.

Doesn’t that give Oregon a bit of an advatage because they will play the best PacSo teams less and Stanford and Cal will play the tougher teams more?

from the round earth’s imagined corners i thank our lucky stars we didn’t get caught up in the abortion that was set to become. that outfit was gonna milk us like a ten-dollar cow, and i could spot the drool on their chins all the way from the island i am. no question in my mind from whose bowl’s they were gonna toll.

yeesh. kindy ignore the errant apostrophe if you will.

Geez did the Dawgs get fucked in that concession. I want to know what got offered up to the Northern schools for being cut out of their most fertile recruiting grounds just to bring in Utah and Colorado.

want to know what got offered up to the Northern schools for being cut out of their most fertile recruiting grounds just to bring in Utah and Colorado.

They get to stay in a BCS conference.

So the total train wreck that is the CU athletic department and the television sets in Denver that don’t watch college football are well worth giving up a trip to your biggest recruiting area?

There is something behind the scenes to this as I know this negatively impacts UW, UO, and OSU.

’scuse me?
Texas fans are disparaging another conference for fucking some of their own?

Tell me again who we fucked by saving half the conference from BCS oblivion and doubling their revenue?

Why didn’t they just put Utah and CU in the North to preserve the rivalries without having an unbalanced schedule?

Yes. I don’t seem to recall any restrictions placed on scheduling of football game, ISU shit in their bed when they fired their most successful coach ever, CU is to blame for CU’s problems, KU fired Mangino and then it appears to have destroyed their program with Turner Gill, and Nebraska got pissed and will soon become the Arkansas of the Big Ten. Outside of Nebraska which school has a period of success that extends outside of a singular run of less than ten years by a Head Coach?

UW had a very long run under James, UO has been good to great under three head coaches, and OSU is a very competitive program. It could be argued that the biggest underachievers in the PAC 10 are UCLA and ASU.

Tell me how the two situations are analogous.

Tough and the Mick
whoa
hold that self righteousness just another minute
I think I see where you are coming from but you are not quite going all the way
You guys are Texas dammit. You guys developed and maximized the football culture in the great plains weed patch and the rest of these sorry sisters should be grateful for feeding at your trough…even though you, OU and god knows why A&M (legislature again, I suppose) not only rubbed it in their faces but doubled the size of the broomstick handle by hogging all the departure money from NE and CU.
That is all fine and dandy in this capitalistic world…no moral stigma attached
however
to call out USC, UCLA who have all the attendance money in the PAC 10 for acting just like Texas is highly disingenuous.

There is something behind the scenes to this as I know this negatively impacts UW, UO, and OSU.

Pretty much up front actually. USC (and UCLA) both wanted to keeps Cal and Stanford on their yearly schedule. They are the big dogs in the league, and the league accomodated them.

thanks for the support srr50

“Why didn’t they just put Utah and CU in the North to preserve the rivalries without having an unbalanced schedule?”

They obviously want to enhance the opportunity for the CA teams in the post season. And they would probably benefit by keeping not only the other north schools out of the recruiting area in the south, but also CU and Utah. SoCal is prime for CU.

BTW, the north is all original from the Pac 8 membership.

So are you saying that these schools are worse off than they would be if the conference had died? Because the northwest schools in the Pac-10 are definitely worse off.

…even though you, OU and god knows why A&M (legislature again, I suppose) not only rubbed it in their faces but doubled the size of the broomstick handle by hogging all the departure money from NE and CU.

DeLoss and Powers said at the time that Texas wouldn’t accept a bigger share of the departure money. Aggy was the one drooling over that. Get your facts straight.

How do USC and UCLA have all the attendance money? USC does have the highest attendance but let’s wait until we have a couple more years under Kiffin and the probation.

UW has higher average attendance than UCLA and the Ducks draw about equal to UCLA.
Do we even want to compare money that has been pumped into the UO program versus UCLA?

In regards to the Big 12 North do we really want to compare the amount of money the North schools minus Nebraska have contributed to the conference confers in the past 10 years? Shit, A&M might have been to more bowl games than CU, KSU, and ISU then past five years and they draw more people to Kyle. CU is the only school in the North that delivers a population base near the size of Seattle-Tacoma and that entire athletic program is a fucking disaster.

I don’t get where UCLA has more say that UO or UW. They haven’t been a prominent player in football in years and they have taken a step back in basketball.

If you want to say population that might be true, but there are very large alumni bases from

sorry blueshorn
we don’t always get all the news out here on the northern frontier.
I still stand by my basic point.
Texas makes the rules in the Big 12
USC and UCLA make em on the coast.
Just thought it was funny that a couple posters above got a little too high on their horse.
If it wasn’t for the neanderthals at A&M and the taliban in Waco you guys might be on the west coast. Did anyone at Baylor ask themselves why they wanted to jump into that bin of sinners out there anyway?
BTW is it sax? trumpet? or both?

SoCal was prime for CU when they were recruiting Crips under McCartney.

can’t face yourself so you resort to trolling?

You still haven’t answered the basic question. How are the schools in the Northern half of the Big 12 place in the same disadvantage as the schools in the Northern half of the Pac?

If nothing less the schools in the North of the Big 12 now get a great share of the pie.

I must have imagined those blue bandanas on some of the players.

“I still stand by my basic point.
Texas makes the rules in the Big 12
USC and UCLA make em on the coast.”

This was not your basic point.

your basic question and mine are completely different. Shit, the northern schools in the Big 12 are at a complete disadvantage due their dismal location more than any thing else.
Is there any place in the country that is the same as somewhere else? get a grip. I’m not trying to argue that Texas has done any more damage than the big dogs in the PAC.
All I am saying is that the big dogs rule…..where ever they are….and for one big dog to call out another big dog for using their power to their advantage is silly Sheesh, that is about as BASIC as it gets.

Davey
ol buddy
you seem to know a lot about this gang banger stuff
where did that come from?
were you in the dorms with Switzers guys when they were running guns?
did you help Osborne hide a weapon used in a crime?
I know Texas has run a cleaner program than most but that also takes some luck. don’t jinx it by throwing unwarranted stones.

I get the feeling I’m arguing with a bunch of engineers from A&M

The only problem is that the power allignments in the PAC are not the same as the Big 12 which has been pointed out and you ignored.

Over the past twenty-five years UW and UO have had better or equal programs than UCLA. The average attendance for UCLA is less than UW and equal to UO. The only thing UCLA has going for it in theory is that it is in L. A., but that area includes a large number of alums from the Northern schools.

Name me one school from the Big 12 North aside from Nebraska that has had success to UW or UO. Hell, for that matter name me a North school other than Nebraska that has had the success of OSU?

You can’t and that is the genesis of my comments. This move clearly hurts three schools that have had a history of success in recruiting in Southern California. Please tell me how any decisions made in the Big 12 are akin to the schools in the North?

I’m going to assume you didnt read my post at 8:05 before you printed your last one
and then I’m going to have another beer
Buenas noches

Just to make sure I’m understanding, USC for instance will play its 5 divisional opponents, 1 of Stanford or Cal, and 3 other north division opponents. It isn’t saying that USC will play Stanford And cal and only 2 other north division opponents?

I still say it will be a benefit to the Oregon schools. Stanford and Cal will on average have a tougher road to go through than Stanford and Cal to win the North and get into the chamionship. It’d be like if the Big 12 had set it up so that NU always played OU and UT while MU got to play BU and A&M every year.

I aslo don’t understand why they want to play 9 games. That makes no sense to me. It just hurts the conference’s chance to get into the BCS title game. It guaruntees 6 more losses for the conference.

Nope, Just was around when McCartney was bringing in players from SoCal and Detroit. Give me a little time and I will find the articles.

Your original post was:
“‘scuse me?
Texas fans are disparaging another conference for fucking some of their own?”

Which I take to mean that Texas should not talk about other schools fucking over teams in their conference, as they’ve done the same thing. Later this changes to USC and UCLA make the rules in the Pac-10, Texas makes the rules in the Big-12, so Texas shouldn’t complain about other schools making the rules in their conference. The original posts had nothing to do with this but were about the way that power is being used by the California schools.

It isn’t saying that USC will play Stanford And cal and only 2 other north division opponents?

Yes it is. USC and UCLA will play Stanford and Cal every year and then only two other teams from the North.

Oh. Wow. The Oregon schools have a huge advantage then. The Washington schools get the same advantage of course, but they have sucked for about a decade or longer now. This might help them in the W column.

Love the conference championship at the highest ranked team’s home . Will be a great environment. Texas hosting Oregon in December. 100,000 plus. Austin rocking.

Oh yeah. That never happened. We’d rather play in a lower tier conference, count our money, and stay in the sidelines in December when the big boys are playing.

What I find most intriguing is that they’re going to an equal revenue sharing model (previously the Pac-10’s revenue sharing model was very similar to the Big 12’s) AND they’ll own all TV & internet rights of member schools for the first time.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/pac10/2010-10-21-conference-realignment-12_N.htm?csp=25

It’s going to be very difficult for Texas to continue to justify the unequal revenue sharing & having its own network.

The problem with the Oregon and Washington schools “accommodating” the USC and UCLA/Stanford/Cal contingents is that the Oregon and Washington schools will lose out in the recruiting battles in SoCal. It won’t matter over the next year or two, but long term, IMO, it will make it difficult for Oregon and Oregon St to maintain their status. And as for UW and Wazzu – they might as well hang up any hopes of going to the Rose Bowl until the next conference re-alignment comes along and hope that they get a better deal.

I like it. Preserve the rivalries and the cc game at the best teams stadium. Who really cares about wazzu and osu those teams are going to fill the bottom dweller role which is always needed. UW and UO will be fine, remember we have bonuses what impacts this will have. He’ll some thought the big 12 could not survive without NU. Some also said there was nonway BYu and Utah could split up. All it means is we have no idea because if the past is any indicator we assume things that are simply not true, me included.

The Oregon and Washington schools will still get at least 1 game a year in California due to having Cal and Stanford on the schedule. UO doesn’t play any games here in Texas, and they have no problem evaluating and stealing our talent. I think they will do just fine.

The non-neutral CCG is a good way to keep your top-ranked BCS title contender from getting spoilered at the end of the year.

You guys that are saying this is an advantage for the Northwest schools don’t know what you are talking about. It might be an advantage from a football scheduling standpoint, and it might not, but it is certainly a major disadvantage for recruiting in California. The fact Oregon has a few players from Texas doesn’t prove anything. Something like half the sholarship players from UW and Oregon are from California, with SoCal being the more meaningful contributor.

Right now, everybody from outside California gets to play in the Bay Area once a season and gets to play in LA once. This is a complete ass-fucking. I can’t believe the other schools rolled over and allowed this shit.

How much talent do the NW schools get from California? Per the USAToday draft database, since 1988, the schools have gotten this many of their drafted players from California-
Oregon- 32/68
OSU- 17/42
UW- 27/83
WSU- 20/49
Those are significant percentages, but it’s clear that these schools don’t rely on California the way that Oklahoma relies on Texas for talent. Neither do these schools get enough talent overall to be perennial powers (I know UW won a MNC and Oregon contends every few years).
Here’s another bit of info. Cal spends $71 million per year on athletics, and UCLA spends $66 million. The numbers for the NW schools-
Oregon- $59 million
OSU- $53M
UW- $54M
WSU- $38M(!)
These schools need more revenue much more than they need a couple extra Californian each year. Or at least their ADs think so.

The cali schools might be holding the cards now but it seems evident to me that Oregon and Nike are about the be the big swinging dicks out there.

USC is in jail. UCLA hasnt won in forever. Harbaugh will leave Stanford. Cal fades every year.

Oregon is coming and realignment isnt going to change that.

Oh, and if Texas just acted in its own self interest we would be booking our trips to various parts of the Big 10 next year. That was the best move overall and everybody, including Powers, knows it.

Its really going to be fun watching everyone elses championship games while we sit on the couch like a bunch of fags. Thats what I always hated about the Big 10.

“It’s really going to be fun watching everyone else s championship games while we sit on the couch like a bunch of fags.”

;)

That championship game is going to be a huge cash cow for the host team (and town). I assume they will still allot half the tickets to the visitors though. God help them if the championship game is ever played in Corvallis or Pullman. I doubt either town can support ~20K visitors.

Taylor:

I can’t speak to the specifics of any program other than UW. Both my parents went there and I went there as well, in addition to attending UT. I am also a season ticket holder.

UW’s athletic revenues have been down for several years, courtesy of the suckitude in football from several bad coaching hires. Historically, it’s athletic budget was nearer the top of the conference, and that was before Men’s basketball was a consistent revenue producer, which it is now.

In terms of recruiting, the UW primarily relies on Washington (pretty consistently produces some very good talent, though not in huge numbers), California, and Hawaii. Obviously getting the top guys in-state is the top priority, but even if the Dawgs do that, it isn’t enough to sustain a competitive program (never mind a truly strong one), without dipping into California for a lot of guys.

Playing there on a regular basis is important to that effort, obviously. Will this new format necessarily kill the ability to recruit there? No, not at all. But it isn’t helpful. I can promise you Sarkisian isn’t happy about this.

As for the other Northwest schools, Oregon should not have a problem, since they have the Knight mega-bucks, great facilities and an onfield product that is the tits right now (much as it pains me to admit). Still, they can’t be too pleased about it. And the agrarian schools of the Northwest just had another disadvantage dropped on their heads, in addition to the other natural ones they face.

Add in Texas, and we’d probably have had an east/west alignment, stuck playing Arizona, ASU, Utah, Colorado, and maybe Wazzou. The darlings of the old PAC 8 would have a division all to themselves.

No, I think life would have sucked in the PAC 12, it isn’t that prestigious in the Bix XII – 1, and there’s no way we’re going to a non-academic league like the SEC. So, we stick with the least lousy proposition.

texas in division with wsu?—no way in hell that would have happened.

yeah i’d hate to substitute iowa st, kansas, baylor, kansas state for arizona, utah, ucla usc

The Pac-16 as it was originally proposed would have been great. It would have been even better with Utah in the mix and without the Aggiez.

The fact anybody believed the tales of pots of gold at the end of rainbows that Beebe was spinning is laughable. The Big XII is terminally ill. Either it can be allowed to suffer for a while longer or put out of its misery.

On the other hand, one of the things that we were all told was sacrosanct in the Pac-10, equal revenue sharing, apparently wasn’t after all. Since that issue was one of the big ones that prevented Texas, and whoever else was coming with it, from joining the Pac-10, it looks like a total disaster. Pissed away the chance to greatly “expand the pie” and now the slices aren’t going to be even after all.

As a fan of both Texas and Washington, I think it worked out about as badly as it could have.

bullzak said:

Its really going to be fun watching everyone elses championship games while we sit on the couch like a bunch of fags.

Considering that Mack’s teams have made only 4 trips to the CCG & won only 2, you already know what that feels like.

spider said:

No, I think life would have sucked in the PAC 12, it isn’t that prestigious in the Bix XII…So, we stick with the least lousy proposition.

Agreed. If Texas had gone to the Pac-10, we’d still have a lot of dead weight in OSU, Tech, & possibly Baylor (if earlier rumors were true). Not only that, but A&M was balking. If somehow they did get an SEC invitation, UT would be at a disadvantage, especially if the rumors that the SEC was looking to take OU as well.

Until the political situation in Austin shifts to UT’s favor, we’re stuck.

Big XII – 2, sorry.

spider, in fairness the 2008 ccg was bullshit.

So, you would have had Texas in 3 ccgs in 5 years and winning all three.

beats the shit out of being assured of a big fat zero every year.

the big xii is like social security. everyone knows its a train wreck and something drastic has to be done but nobody is ready for the hard choices. they will come anyway and soon.

Not sure what political situation would have have to shift? It’s not like governor Perry interviened. In fact he sat on the sidelines, an props to him. You had one booster from Baylor -buddy jones. That’s it. Not sure how much more political favor UT needs but it seems if you believe we have no pull now, just wait because there’s no telling how bad it could actually get. Heaven forbid tech or Baylor or another governor steps in that actually meddles in affairs. We never had better political climate than the present

The football programs in the PAC North (Oregon, Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington) are light years better than those in what’s gonna be left of the Big 12 North, so I don’t see how those schools got shafted in drawing up the Pac into division.

For those wondering what the Pac South will look like in five years or so, this will be it:
UT
OU
Tech
Okie lite
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Utah

Not a bad half of a conference in football. SC will be recovering from the effects of losing all those scholarships and the Kiffin coaching regime, UCLA will still be running second fiddle in LA, and will be good, not great. Stanford won’t have Harbaugh running the show. (Michigan is already looking at him with covetous eyes…) Cal will be its’ usual good to very good, but not great under Tedford, Oregon State, ditto under Mike Riley. Who knows what Washington will be in five years. The only school up north in the Pac you can guarantee will suck is Wazzu, and the only one you can pretty much guarantee will be very good to great is Oregon. (At least as long as Phil Knight remains interested in financing them.) All of this is by way of saying the ultimate Pac South, once us and okie get there, will rock.

There are now four possible expansion slots in the Pac 12, unless someone leaves. Possible contenders for those slots are Texas, OU, ATM, OkState, Tech, and Baylor. Two of them are going to be disappointed.

The non-neutral CCG is a good way to keep your top-ranked BCS title contender from getting spoilered at the end of the year.

Right. And it makes for awesome fun.

@ Mysterious Package – The Prez Pro Tempore of the TX Senate, Duncan, is a Tech grad & represents Lubbock. He’s also a member of the Higher Ed & Finance committees. Sibley, who was part of the gang that forced Baylor into the Big 12, was trying to get his old senate seat back. His predecessor (who stepped down earlier in the year), also a Baylor grad & representing Waco, was on both the Higher Ed & Finance committees. Tech & Baylor aren’t missing any clout.

Finally, if rumor was to be believed, due to political wrangling, Baylor, which provides nothing other than renegade basketball coaches, was going to get the bid at the expense of CU.

My point is that you are always going to have someone on either commitee that went to Baylor or Tech. That is not going away anytime soon just with sheer number game coming out of those schools. In 2020 it is very likely we will still be saying some fill in the blank senator from Baylor/Tech wants this and that. Well, you know what? Too Fing bad. A&M didn’t seem to care about the after effects of going there own way. Just as we should. Senator Duncan et all have a very limited say in the goings on in SoCal/Arizona/NW United States and we should act accordingly when the time comes. Baylor is not up to standard, its not a Vandy, its not even within a tier of the other private schools in California. Thats just the way it goes and UT will be in better position the sooner they figure that out.

Forgive me if I missed a comment to this, but………..the conference championship game will be held at the home site of the team with the best record?? Are you shitting me? Isn’t there a tidy little joint in Pasadena called the Rose Bowl? How about Robot Dome in Glendale, AZ (though Sun Devil is one of the best venues I’ve ever seen a game in). Maybe even “The Murph”

I can only assume that a home site conference championship game is driven by a fear that they can’t sell it out in a neutral site. It’s NFL-style bullshit.