Jeff Fisher vs. Vince Young: For Those Of You Not Scoring At Home

Compare Vince Young and Terry Bradshaw’s first five seasons in the NFL. Bradshaw threw more interceptions in his first two seasons than Young has in his first FIVE and that was playing in 14 game seasons. I think Bradshaw compares to VY well in that he had great running ability, threw a fantastic deep ball, but struggled with the intermediate stuff.

Worst thing Young did yesterday was motion to the fans booing in response to the playcalling….no matter how bad it is you just can’t do that.

Fisher’s comments yesterday after the game pretty much had his public agenda for Young exposed this morning with the facts about Young and his jersey involving the EVP’s daughter. I mean what a moron even addressing the media about behavior he “heard” about. Is Fisher coaching the team based on gossip? Fisher’s actions are inexplicable with regards to Young’s performance on the field last season and this season.

Adams needs to fire his .500 coach and bring in Cowher.

Taking off the jersey and pads and flinging them into the stands? Not ok under any circumstances.

This reminds me of my dear grandmother. A cousin of mine was a total fuck-up. He joined the Marines to turn his life around and, within a year, found his ass in the brig for using military-issued vehicles to conduct illegal activities. After telling us the story, she ended with “But I really like his haircut now.”

Why does everyone insist on focusing on trivial shit? This pad-flinging incident is entirely unimportant. The two facts that REALLY matter are these: (1) Vince is playing very well and (2) Fisher takes every opportunity not to play him. Everything else is gossip-fodder on par with vapid E News! horseshit.

Trivia isn’t necessarily a bad thing. But it’s destructive when you allow it to drive the agenda. That’s what is happening here: the media focuses on Vince’s inconsequential mistake to the exclusion of the substantive concerns (i.e. VY’s excellent performance and Fisher’s inexcusable undermining of Vince).

bud adams tells fisher to suck it up and get along with vince:

"They are going to have to work together. I haven’t given up on Vince, and I am sure Fisher hasn’t either," Adams said by phone from his office in Houston.

Asked if Young would be back next season, Adams responded: "Oh, God yeah. He is under contract. I wouldn’t want to let him go… we are going to pay him a lot of money.’’

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20101122/SPORTS01/101122042/2162/Bud+Adams++Young++Fisher+have+to+get+along

When Bud Adams is the Voice of Reason then you really know how fucked up the situation is.

So, Adams comes in and basically backs Vince – nice.

“Vince Young threw his sweaty jockstrap at an innocent 4 year-old white girl in the stands”

Now open your eyes. And imagine she’s NOT white. {gasp}

Brick, I don’t agree with you on everything, but you and I could not possibly be more in agreement on this.

The greatest trick Jeff Fisher ever pulled was convincing the world Jeff Fisher didn’t exist.

98% of the negative perception that exists in the media is from negative info Jeff Fisher himself has fed them, anonymously/off the record, while “defending” Vince in front of the cameras.

Fuck that guy with a horse cock on a cold day.

I think:

Bud Adams has no intention of paying Vince or Jeff if they aren’t working or playing for him. He sure as hell won’t fir Fisher and pay him for a 2011 season that might not happen. I think he’s trying to see if he can get Fisher to quit.

“He’s a man and a football player, not a deity”

See, you had me until right there when you started talking nonsense.

I got no response to my question about video footage. Does anyone have a link? Does a video exist? Did this really happen, or was he just giving his jersey, cap etc as he always does to fans in the stands as a poster above mentioned?

Thujone sorted this out long ago.

“Next time my prick of a boss holds a office meeting I’m going to stand in the corner and cuss at him under my breath and then when he get’s pissed I’ll run to my car.”

Is your boss going on national television and lying about you? Is your boss actually preventing you from doing your job well? Is your profession one in which extreme displays of emotion and aggression are a normal day’s work?

If not, then it’s not really apples to apples.

Also, Vince didn’t “run to his car”, but if you believe he did, Jeff Fisher has some mustache cleanser he’d like to sell you.

Jimmy Carter?

As in being a diplomat you pedantic asshole. :)

We need to stop enabling VY. Its getting ridiculous.I don’t care how big of a douche bag/egomaniac Fisher is, he needs to act like a pro. Vince, at times, has not acted like a pro during his tenure in Tennessee. As bad as Fisher is, he has put up with alot of Vince’s crap.

Look at the way Favre has handled a douche bag/ego maniacal coach. Favre kept his mouth shut and acted like a pro (for the most part) and eventually the players and media did a mutiny on Chilly and he was run out of town.

In the NFL and in college, the coaches are kings and almost untouchable. That is just a fact. Whether its right or wrong is irrelevant. But the coaches are kings and they have to make very egregious errors to come under fire. Players are much easier targets because they are easily replaceable and your average playing career is about 5 seasons. Coaches stay around for a while.

The Nebraska vs. Aggy game was a perfect example. There was Pelini behaving like a fool on national TV and embarrassing himself, the school, and college football, yet Herbie and Mushmouth were just laughing at the incidents and almost ignoring them. They were laughing at kid getting his manhood stripped on national TV for no apparent reason other than he was hurt. Save me the prima donna excuse about T-Magic. No college football player deserves to get treated like that on national television. Neither of them had the balls to point how ridiculous Pelini’s behavior was. Do you know why? Its simple. Next time they do a Nebraska game, Pelini won’t do an interview. Its the same with Urban Meyer. Nobody wants to point out that Meyer is basically running a penitentiary in Gainesville. They instead want to talk about what a great program Meyer has and will use Tebow as the only example that Meyer is running a clean program. No one in the mainstream media is pointing out what a historically bad season Texas and what a horrific coaching job has been done by Mack Brown and Co. They are all saying its a “down year.” Coaches, for the most part, are above the fray and will not get criticized. The reasons are quite simple. Ex players in the media won’t criticize them because if their media careers flame out they will need them to get into coaching. Media members won’t criticize them because they need coaches for access and scoops.

The fact is Vince Young needs to understand that unless you are Brees, Manning, or Brady the coach is king in the NFL and especially one with tenure like Fisher. It does not matter that it is wrong, that is just the way it is. Until Vince wins some Super Bowls, the media will side with Fisher. Those are just facts. Vince needs to grow up and be a pro. I’m tired of us coddling him.

“Look at the way Favre has handled a douche bag/ego maniacal coach. Favre kept his mouth shut and acted like a pro (for the most part) and eventually the players and media did a mutiny on Chilly and he was run out of town…”

…after it was too late, and they’d already melted down too badly to contend for the playoffs.

I’m tired of us not coddling Vince enough.

Going to disagree with you, PrimeTime.

Elite athletes are no different than other high-performing musicians, actors, surgeons, scientists, executives, etc. There are many dysfunctional human beings in this world. Perhaps Vince is dysfunctional. But he is a supremely talented dysfunctional human being with the ability to carry a team on his back to a championship.

Fisher is a manager of talent. If Fisher wants to elevate his own ego above that of his supremely talented QB, then some owners will let him do so and go 8-8 with QB talent like Kevin Kolb (the guy Titans fans want to pick up to replace VY).

Bud Adams, apparently, recognizes that it is easier to replace a manager of talent than to find elite talent at QB.

Fisher’s job is to get VY to optimize his on-field performance. Mack Brown figured it out, Fisher has not.

VY will get blamed as the immature one, but from my perspective, Fisher needs to step up his game or make room for a new head coach of the Titans.

Brett Favre is anything but a pro. He’s a whiny prima donna and sexual harasser. But at least he didn’t throw his jersey to a fan!*

*Note: under an arcane NFL bylaw, this behavior is not despicable but is, in fact, endearing if the jersey-throwing player is Mean Joe Greene.

From 6 weeks ago…

http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2010/10/07/cowboys-vs-titans/

My boss consistently undermines my work, takes credit for successes and blames me for failures. He routinely gives away contracts and clients to guys below me that don’t produce. He has done this for 5 years. At what point do I nut up and tell him to fuck off, I’m taking my book to one of a dozen firms that would be more than happy to have me? Never? Is five years not enough time to let him come around?

Young out for the season per reports….

Btw, Bud basically said Vince is right, he’s going to get paid and Fisher is gone. I guess Fisher’s boss agrees with Vince. Maybe he handled it poorly, but it worked. He got the message across and he and the team get what they want.

I think Vince staying in Nashville and Fisher leaving is the worst possible outcome. The fans there love Fisher and don’t like Vince much right now. There would be an enormous amount of pressure and scruitny on him and he hasn’t always dealt well with either.

Titans are signing Simms.

I truly believe with Fisher gone, the Titans are a lock for the playoffs. A nice start and a run to the playoffs and an actual playoff win will turn everyone but the High Priests. Fisher only accomplished that two or three years out of 17. The fans will realize soon enough that Fisher was the problem all along and will praise Young for getting him run out of town.

Savage,

For the first time in this thread, I agree with you. Although, like the scenario Barton points out, I believe the rubes in Tennessee can be won over by Vince pissing excellence and winning football games.

I think Taylor may have it right that Bud would like to get Fisher to quit. More than anything else, we know what motivates Bud, and that’s cash.

The bottom line, and what I’ve wanted for Vince from the start, is that Vince needs to play for a coach who wants him and believes in him. If that happens, the greatness will follow. If it happens, and Vince still has emotional “meltdowns”, then that’s on him.

I think, in retrospect, Fisher was probably the absolute worst coach for Vince there could have been. False, implied mentoring trust because of the McNair stuff while he secretly resented inheriting Vince at all.

Vince thought he was getting another Mack Brown, when in reality he was getting a Bo Pellini dressed in Mack clothing.

The one thing I think everyone can agree on is that they need to go their separate ways. So that Vince can win his Super Bowls and Jeff can continue his utterly mediocre coaching career.

look i hate trusting a lunatic 87 year old senile man as much as the next man, but its not about us “coddling” vince, i fully understand the extent of vince fucking up this time (note: this time: he has also fucked up many other times) is inexcusable and does create a certain image of him to the media. However, the way fisher has treated him since day one despite his success on the field is inexcusable, especially in lieu of all the other much more inexcusable things being done by qbs in the league today to either their head coaches (favre, cutler) or to their own selves (favre, rothelisberger, vick) vince has never been given the secure chance he deserves. There have been many references in this thread to vince having been taken out at every opportunity, which is very true (see pitt, miami, wash only from 2010) which are just three examples of many more how fisher has never and will never trust vince to be his qb. mcnair brought the titans to the playoffs with fisher, vince could have but now wont. without a complete stud qb fisher is a run of the mill coach who has kept his job for pulling the oilers through a dark period. time to move on from fisher and realize its vince’s age, although fisher has done as much as he can do damage vy’s credibility with the media.

Well who cares, Vince is rich…Cry Vince a river, drama is a bit much from Vince. We all owe Vince for getting us a NC, however, he should have stayed for his Senior year…..
All in all I am big fan of Bud Adams, Vince and the Titans, however Vince needs to quit being so pouty. If Griffin is in his grill it is somewhat legit.

Let me get this straight, Vince is supposed to keep quiet and do what his boss tells him, but it’s fine if Fisher defies his own boss’s wishes and repeatedly benches Young for petty personal reasons?

The fact that someone not only believes, but then posts on this site that VY should have stayed in school (five years after the fact, mind you), means that the stupid has clearly creeped in.

The fact that someone not only believes, but then posts on this site that VY should have stayed in school (five years after the fact, mind you), means that the stupid has clearly creeped in.

But he had so much to learn from Greg Davis.

Anyone read Paul Kuharsky or Gene Wojiechowksi today?

I don’t know how he manages the time, but Vince is apparently fucking a lot of reporters and sports analysts’ wives in his spare time. And apparently the wives are liking it.

Really it was just a strained conceit for Gene to load up the cannon and blast away, but Gene W. actually authored a passionate plea for Vince to learn from Michael Vick. Seriously. That just happened.

I know many of you are embarrassed of them, and that’s your problem, but strangely enough Vince and Ricky have done a good job of making me hate the NFL.

The NFL makes the football bad.

Shouldn’t this be easy to quantify if VIncent actually gave his jersey to the GM’s daughter? Where is the statement from the damn GM backing VY here? What the f are his teammates saying about this? Thi isn’t occurring in a vacuum where are the witnesses to all this?

Nothing Vince could have done would have improved his situation there in Tennessee. Like has been stated above, Fisher (rightly or wrongly) is the longest tenured HC in the NFL. He’s on the competition committee. He has tendrils and connections all throughout the NFL and the media that covers it.

So, Vince blowing up was going to make him look bad. Fisher uses his pulpit to blast Vince and lay all the blame at his feet.

However, if Vince says nothing he’s in just as bad or worse a situation. Fisher clearly doesn’t want him as the QB, despite him having near a 100 QB rating. So, if Vince doesn’t speak up Fisher gets him put on the IR anyway and goes with Rusty fucking Smith. Then, Fisher leaks even more rumors to the media about Vince’s lack of toughness and dedication, etc.

At least with Vince going off he showed people that he wants to play, wants to win, and that it’s Fisher that’s holding him (and the team) back.

Personally, I think Fisher is done in Tennessee. Without Vince the Titans probably won’t win another game all year with that shitty defense of theirs and Rusty “ILookMoreFuckedUpThanElephantBoy” Smith at QB. So, Fisher ends the season at 5-11 after being 5-2 and looking like a lock for the playoffs. Bud won’t want to resign him and he’ll bail to Dallas or Chicago or wherever and run that organization to a bunch of mediocrity, too.

In the short term this situation sucks for Vince, but in the long term I think it’s good for him. He’s finally bucking Fisher one way or another and whether he gets a new HC there in Tennessee or gets a fresh start somewhere else, it’ll be better than having Fisher fucking him over every day.

It just sucks immeasurably that one shitty coach can fuck over such a great talent. Imagine if Vince had been drafted to a team where the coach wanted and appreciated him and built the offense around him. Vince has won 70% of his games on some really godawful Titans teams with almost zero talent around him. I’m sure he’d succeed just about anywhere as long as the coach wasn’t actively trying to stab him in the back to get his drunk country singing buddy back in the lineup.

Trips Right wrote this about a year ago just before Vince Young went on the 8-2 run. It just goes to show, never count Vince out.

http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2009/10/02/vince-young-the-natural/

i agree with everybody saying fisher has caused the meltdowns of vince young… fisher made it clear that he wanted local boy jay cutler when adams said hell no we are getting some real talent jeff fisher said BULLSHIT…. and from draft day on made it impossible for vince to shine… if it wasn’t for adams last year vince wouldn’t have went 8-2 with a mediocre titans team but adams forced fisher to put him in and told fisher to shut the hell up…. i dont think vince’s thumb is so bad that it needs surgery i think putting him on IR is just an easy way for jeff fisher to not have to be a man and admit he is wrong…. we need a real coach in TN not somebody who only made it to 1 super bowl in almost 17 yrs as head coach…. i say bill cowher or hell ex UT Vols coach phil fulmer…. both could do far better than fisher has with his stay here…. and if you ask me fisher has stayed in TN long enough Bud Adams needs to fire his ass

“Until Vince wins some Super Bowls, the media will side with Fisher.”

Because, of course, of all the Super Bowls Fisher has won.

Anybody that wants to show righteous indignation at Vince for losing his cool over Fisher’s repeated douchebaggery is full of shit. A man can only take so much being disrespected and humiliated before he’s going to fight back and Vince, who clearly has had problems controlling his emotions over the past 4 years, reached his breaking point Sunday. Personally, I would’ve gone Sprewell on Fisher’s ass a long time ago.

All anybody needs to know about what an idiotic motherfucker Fisher is lies in the fact that while the Titans were going down in flames at 0-6 last season, that Dirty Sanchez wearing cocksucker of a head coach still refused to put VY in, until Bud Adams ordered him to do so. Now just to reiterate, this was BUD ADAMS being the voice of reason because his prolapsed rectum of a head coach was too petty and too resentful and was perfectly willing to let the team go 0-16 rather than give VY another chance

Fuck Jeff Fisher.

Jeff Fisher is a 9-7 coach and he’s fine with that.

Vince Young is not happy being a 9-7 quarterback.

Inevitable conflict ensues.

I’d say Jeff Fisher is more of a 6-10 or 7-9 coach than a 9-7 coach. That’s about what his career average is. Discounting games that VY has started, he’s about a 5-11 coach.

Look, I’m not saying that the way VY has been treated in Tennessee has been fair. It hasn’t been. I’m just trying to tell you guys the reality. Fisher is the dean of NFL head coaches and is the longest tenured coach in the NFL. He has sway in the media and amongst NFL guys. VY is a 5th year QB who has been inconsistent at times and has had meltdowns on the field and off the field. Who is the media and most of the public going to side with? The head coach. Those are just facts. Its not right, but that is the reality of the situation. Vince needs to understand that.

Actually, he seems to understand things very well. He knows he will never get a fair shake under Fisher. If he behaves himself, he gets fucked over and his football career goes down the shitter as he sits quietly on the bench because Adams isn’t going to fire Fisher and pay him a buyout. If he brings it to a head, he may at least have an opportunity to get traded or force Fisher to make a choice to stay and be shown to be a puppet coach or leave on his own, either one of which is because the owner didn’t back him on what clearly was an ugly confrontation between him and a player on his team.

The latter seems as good a strategy as the former, IMO.

Yes, talking heads aside, it appears as if Vince won the battle. You know Fisher went in to that call raising hell about needing to cut Vince because he’s undermining his authority. Bud said you better get along with him because he’s staying…..you I’m not so sure about. How pissed do you think Fisher is now? I bet it’s comical around that place right now. Not even a blowie from KC can calm him down.

Siding with Levander over Brick. I understand the pain side of it, in terms of frustration boiling over, but it’s funny… as primetime pointed out regarding A&M-Nebraska, while the pecking order of sports has the best player often dictating the course of a franchise, paradoxically, the dealings between the player and management are seen in context of how everyday people must deal with management (and vice versa).

IOW, people see and hear about the nature of conflict between players and coaches and believe that they must act as regular people do — the one aspect of sports in which that view tends to prevail. Therefore, even though Pelini is the boss/coach, he is taken to task for chewing out a teen-ager on the sideline. Drawing unsportsmanlike conduct penalties makes it worse. However, had the chewing-out occurred out of public view and subsequently became public, Pelini would have maintained the high ground, because of the cultural perception that the boss has the authority and responsibility to control subordinates, and there would not have been a record of how nasty he acted.

This is why, in the conflict between Young and Fisher, Young can’t act petulantly (or appear to act that way) and keep the high ground. Fisher is spinning like a top, no doubt. Spinning is not Vince’s forte — far from it. All he can do is play, and he won’t be doing that anymore this season.

The one thing that surprises me in all this is that Bud Adams backs Vince to the hilt, but in doing so won’t tell Fisher to shut up and do the things that he has to do to help Vince succeed — improve the quality of the receivers and enable him to freelance more.

Of course, as a veteran Adams watcher, I know that the major reason Adams backs Vince is because he owes Vince more money, and that he would rather not spend the money to bring in the players that would help. That brings it back to Fisher permitting Young more freedom, and that is something Fisher never has allowed.

So, with the score 13 – 13, and less than 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, Vince injures his thumb on a long throw. He takes himself out. Fisher is so po’ed (at Vince being a drama queen about an injury) that he throws his challenge flag to the sidelines.

Vince goes to the locker. Rusty Smith goes in. Vince returns and starts throwing on the sidelines. He never goes back in. Fisher later points out he never asked to go back in (that’s the way it works with other starters, right? The dinged starting DT is never asked if he can return to a close game, right? He has to tell his position coach he wants to go back, right?). And Vince never told the OC or QB coach he could return, and they never asked him.

So, the Titans lose a very winnable game. After the game, they have a confrontation in the locker room. Fisher tells the media that Vince didn’t return because he wasn’t throwing well on the sidelines, but that he’s done with him anyway. He also says that Moss wasn’t thrown to because the QB (that would be Vince) missed his reads.

The owner calls them on the carpet and tells them to get along. Now Fisher says the injury is so severe that he can’t play Vince this year.

Does this sound like anything other than a couple of schoolgirls, arguing through intermediaries? Vince is not the only one throwing drama around.

Evidently, Vince showed up at the team facility and was turned away by officials. Thoughts-

1. Vince was probably advised to show up for work by his agent. This was probably the right thing to do, so Fisher can’t say that he has quit.
2. Fisher has no intention of working it out with Vince, as directed by the owner. Young can now call Adams and say he tried.
3. I guess Fisher is trying to force Adams’ hand. I imagine he is fine with Adams trading Vince or firing him (and paying him his buyout).

Now does everyone see how childish Fisher is? It’s not just Vince. If anything, Vince takes the high road to a much greater extent than the douchebag, scared little vag Fisher. He can’t even bear to face VY and he knows the players will back VY in a heartbeat if he lets them speak, hence the gag order. Drama queen indeed, Fisher just made his bed and now it’s his turn to get hammered by the dumbasses that originally backed Fisher in the media.

In 2006, Steve McNair was also locked out of the Titan’s facility.

I wish that’s the world we lived in, Barton, but the talking heads have chosen their side.

They’re going to laud Fisher for his strong-armed discipline and how “he’s not going to put up with the wild hellion that is Vince Young anymore”.

They’re too pot-committed to take any other stance at this point.

It would be nice if there were even one media observer raising the questions about Fisher that need to be raised. Sadly, there isn’t.

Thank you, Universe—again—for supplying us with Barking Carnival.

I hope Tom Condon has his game-face on.

Taylor, I’m not sure if he was advised by his agents (I hope so for their sake), but it’s the first smart thing Vince has done during this whole situation and I very much agree with your assessment.

It’s actually very wise thing for VY’s camp as he can now spin that he showed up for work and was told to go home. He didn’t continue his pouting and he can start to rebuild some (any) media credibility that he’s serious about his craft. Fisher actually looks a little petulant in the situation and memories of Steve McNair being treated likewise are a political/media chip.

Bud Adams may be senile and a dick and whatever, but he may be sly like a fox on this one. I’m not sure if he still can think to this strategic level, but Bud is known as frugal. So by telling them (VY and Fisher) to “work it out”, he’s squarely put the ball in their court. Now, who is he’s trying to get rid of? I have no idea, but it would seem that he’s biding his time and may have had it with Fisher (He already has all the leverage with VY to suspend him and not pay him after his antics). I do think he’s trying to get off the hook for some money, as well as give him an out in a building media war. Forcing these two to try to co-exist could work itself out with one of them choosing to leave.

If Fisher resigns because Bud gets in his grill too much then Bud is off the hook for the rest of his contract and also can try and sell that Fisher chose to leave. Bud is so old he probably doesn’t care too much about what folks think about him but he doesn’t want to destroy the Titan brand in the community to a degree that it erodes revenue. The problem for the VY camp and Bud, IF Bud decides to get rid of Fisher is alienating the fanbase. VY is, for most, persona non grata with Titan fans at this point because Fisher has done an excellent job of controlling the narrative with strategic media leaks and keeping himself under control in front of the cameras. VY obviously isn’t smart or wise enough to win a political/media battle with Fisher but Adams may be. The questions are: 1. Is he a VY ally? Is he willing to start the process of forcing Fisher out?

Best thing for all parties is for VY to move on and Fisher to be fired. VY because he’s massacred a lot of the capital he has with the Titan fanbase and Fisher because he’s simply a mediocre head coach who can’t be trusted to win anything of consequence…..

Just had to get my 2 cents in…..Ha, ha, ha….BTW, ¾ of the ATH crew sided with VY on the IR situation, criticizing Fisher for not being professional himself and talking to his QB. There is time and room to paint Fisher in a corner if anyone knew WTF they were doing in VY’s camp….

Jimmy Johnson was on one of the ESPN shows and said that Vince needs to work on his maturity level, but Fisher also needs to learn that a coach has to learn that you can’t handle all your players the same way. He used Charles Haley as an example. He said the two of them locked themselves in Johnson’s office once to hash out their differences. Johnson learned that Haley hated being embarrassed in front of teammates, so he adapted.

Blow back on the “banishment” from practice facility and the changing of the message has already started. Fisher is painting VY as a “quitter” now, but I think he’s making a strategic mistake and will end up looking very bad in this as long as VY doesn’t come to his rescue and do something or say something stupid. Fisher will now get just as much criticism and support from media talking heads for this act and it could pay dividends for VY for his future, whether or not it’s in Tennessee……VY should get a 2nd or 3rd opinion on his thumb and then reach out to Rusty Smith and offer to assist with getting him ready for next week’s game in any way possible. Even if it’s an empty offer. Let Fisher continue to act like a angry man with control issues. Give him enough rope and Fisher will hang himself….

Fisher didn’t let Vince in because he was addressing the team about Vince “quitting on them” (said quitting occuring as Vince bailed on a post-game talk in the locker room). He is fixing it so that it will be tough for Vince to ever come back, and impossible for the two of them to co-exist.

Yea, he’s doing his best to indoctrinate the organization that VY has “quit” on them. Some will believe, other will not — just the way it is, but VY should not expect any of them to go to bat for him. I think Fisher is now making a number of mistakes. Many of them from his arrogance. Then again, maybe he wants out and still wants to get paid…..Who knows, but after Sunday, VY had very little to work with in a perception war, Fisher is slowly letting him get back in…..

What Fisher did today is challenging Bud Adams publicly.

Ask Bum Phillips how that turns out…

Fisher is gone at season’s end.

Just watched the ESPN.com bites on the “not allowed in the facility” story. Dilfer said some rather harsh things, but then they threw it to Merrill Hoge. What did VY do to that guy? Did VY sleep with Hoge’s daughter? Did Hoge bet his house on SC?

It’s like he has a personal vendetta. Really kind of over the top.

I thought the funniest thing Fisher said was that Rusty Smith was there at 7am sharp this morning since VY is seen as a 9-5 type of worker in Nashville.

I hate Cowherd and only listen to laugh at his idiocy. He said there are 8 teams that would love to have Fisher and no coach in the NFL would want to deal with him at this point.

Outside of Austin Vince will have a lot of work to do to shake this baby image.

Dilfer and Hodge were both average players at best in the NFL and total idiots when it comes to football intelligence. While VY has been an emotional idiot since being in the league, his numbers speak for themselves.

30 wins
17 losses
Decent QB rating

I mean can those two morons not remember Terry Bradshaw’s first 5 years in the league? Young is asked to run the exact same offense as Bradshaw and his numbers are embarrassingly better.

Why is anyone surprised by this? This is the same football team, and the same coach, that locked out Steve McNair during their contract dispute. Jeff Fisher is a slimy piece of shit. He’s done nothing but undermine VY since he’s been there. Thankfully, he’s got a piece of shit fanbase in Tennessee full of hillbilly overalls wearing rednecks to back him up. Look at Fisher — the dude looks like fucking Larry the Cable Guy with a Mustache. Why wouldn’t the white population back him up 99.99999 percent? VY needs to get the hell out of there and fast, go somewhere else and fuck Jeff Fisher up the ass by taking his new team to the playoffs and maybe beyond. Meanwhile, let Mustache Boy try to get by with his two darling white breads.

>>Outside of Austin Vince will have a lot of work to do to shake this baby image.<<

Well you're certainly doing your fucking part to bury him, Savage Henry, you fucktard.

Very good article!!

I’m not trying to bury him. I love Vince for what he did in Austin but I’m not scared to say when he’s acting like a baby. If this was the first time then fine but it’s not. He’s refused to go into games. He’s been called out by veteran teammates. They changed OC’s for him once already. He hasn’t always put the work in that is necessary to be an elite NFL QB. Fisher is a massive prick but so are MOST NFL coaches. Fisher has a huge ego but so do ALL NFL coaches.

Out of the 32 games that VY started at TX I was in the stands for 28. The first thing I put on my kid when she was born was a VY jersey. I’ve been to 6 Titans games that he’s started so it’s safe to say I’m a VY fan and I’m still going to say he’s been a baby in the past and he was a baby on Sunday. I hope he rebounds again in a new city.

-Fucktard

“After reflecting upon the tumultuous events of Sunday’s overtime loss that culminated with him walking out on the Titans, quarterback Vince Young texted coach Jeff Fisher an apology Tuesday for his actions and words, a source close to Young told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

According to the source, Young thanked Fisher for the opportunity to play for the Titans and wished him and the team good luck for the rest of the season. Young ended the text by asking Fisher to have more faith and confidence in him moving forward, and said that they each wanted the same thing — to win a Super Bowl."

Best as I can tell, Tom Condon is giving Vince good advice, and VY is acting on it.

None of this is about patching things up with Fisher. That is not ever going to happen.

But they are starting to position Vince better for the fallout.

I hope Tennessee loses every game the rest of the way. Vince will come out smelling not quite as sweet as a rose, but definitely better than the famunda cheese caught up in Fisher’s lip sweater.

Now my greatest fear is Jerry hiring Fisher to coach the Cowboys.

I understand that Fisher said he preferred to receive apologies face to face.

Yeah, kind of like how you communicate with your starting QB on the sideline?

Adams is CHEAP.

So he doesn’t have to pay him for 2011, Adams will tell Fisher at season’s end that Young is his starting QB for 2011 forcing Fisher to resign and try and get one of the many other opening coaching jobs in the NFL. Since his 0-6 start, Fisher has been on the hot seat with Adams and this situation along with his .500 record isn’t helping him.

When Fisher fired Norm Chow, he used the telephone. Face to face my ass.

Here is a lousy scenario. Bud is too cheap to get rid of Fisher, so he plays the “Can’t everyone just get along?” card.

Vince starts to play along with his text apology. Fisher still gives him the cold shoulder all the way through the off-season, looming lockout and all.

Fisher could simply keep Ricky Smith as his starter, and Vince as a very expensive bench warmer if and when they play next season.

Wouldn’t that be fun?

And how exactly would a face-to-face meeting be orchestrated at this point? He has the temerity to call it the “man move”. How is Skip Bayless the voice of reason? Maybe it’s the Vandy pedigree. But seriously, what the hell do these people learn at journalism school that this national character assassination without any attempted inquiry is completely acceptable within their profession? These hacks like Cowherd, King, et al, are a complete embarrassment to their industry and the trade they claim should be an exalted member of the professional class. Some of these individuals have master’s degrees in their field…just unbelievable. These people are no more than schoolyard gossips, amplifiers for the bully sporting a latently homosexual CHiP mullet and mustache.

And how come no one mentions that Jeff Fisher is treating his boss exactly the same way he claims Vince is treating him? Vince “threw” his jersey…Fisher is tossing the owner’s QB, along with the rest of his toys, out of the pram. I love how the party line is that no one will sign Vince…what owner in their right mind would sign Fisher after this fiasco? Five playoff games in 16 years and continuous political intrigue behind the owner’s back is going to lead to a golden parachute? Not likely. These guys are billionaires; they don’t need martinets with cop fetishes leading whisper campaigns about their highest profile asset.

Warning: Vince Young rant.

I dislike spoiled babies. Just to let you know in advance, I won’t hear of Young’s won-loss record as a starter. I won’t accept that rebuttal. Vince Young doesn’t win games for the Titans.

Chris Johnson, Jeff Fisher’s perennially strong defenses, the constantly deep and aggressive defensive line, and a tremendous clutch kicker. Those are big reasons for many of TEN’s wins.

The defense this season is Young’s 98.6 passer rating. Whatever. He’s only attempted 156 passes all season, with a less than 20 attempt per game average. Young’s rating is like a baseball player hitting .360 as of May 30th. It will go down, especially for a career .260 hitter like Young. Besides, he was the 3rd overall draft pick, so his rating should be in the 90’s every season, all season – and yet his career rating entering this season was a putrid 73.0. Heck, J.P. Losman had a career 75.6 rating and got run out of the NFL.

Going back to 2007, in the 31 games where Young was declared or already installed as the starting quarterback, he’s exited with an injury for some portion or the remainder of the game 8 times. That means that 25% of the time he hasn’t stayed out there and fought to the end with his teammates. That’s a lot of injuries, and I wonder: Why does Young always end up going back in a week or two — or even a series or two — later? Because he wasn’t really hurt that bad to begin with. Young runs from the battlefield when times are tough, but later he’ll go to a strip club and punch people when they insult his alma mater.

And I’m not even counting all the games where Young was inactive or simply benched going in, which means all of 2008 and a third of 2009. Remember Young’s famous 8-2 winning binge last year after TEN went 0-6? TEN simply started giving Chris Johnson the ball 30 times instead of 18. Oh, and 7 of Young’s 8 wins were against the Jags, 49ers, Bills, Texans, Rams, Dolphins and Warner-less Cards. Those teams had a combined 29-36 mark when they faced the Titans. Plus 5 of those wins were at home. The 2 losses were from the only 2 good teams Young started against, the Colts and Chargers. In the 0-6 mix to start the season, 4 of those losses were by the hands of PIT, NYJ, IND, and NEP. Bazinga.

Look, Young doesn’t make TEN good any more than Collins makes TEN good. When TEN wins, they win despite their stable of mediocre game-managing QBs, who can never be relied upon to win the game without the team’s defense, running game, and kicker.

Fisher’s had enough. He’s used to professionals like Steve McNair, Bruce Matthews, Keith Bulluck, and Eddie George, who risked extended and debilitating bodily injuries to help the team win. No matter what the cost. And never – I mean never, ever – would one of those players taunt the hard-working fans when they’re booing.

In the 2002 playoff game vs. the Steelers, Steve McNair played through bone spurs in his ankle and a bum shoulder. Then in the 3rd quarter he had a thick 4-inch flap of skin torn from his thumb knuckle. He only missed two plays while ordering the trainer to slice off the dangling piece of flesh. He couldn’t take a pain-killing injection because it would numb his throwing hand. Young has taken nothing from McNair’s legacy. He’s an embarrassment. Vince, do us all a favor and go away. You can keep the millions you stole from the company too, by not going all in with hard work and dedication. Head out to Da Club and make it rain with JaMarcus Russell. He’ll bring the Robitussin, you bring the bibs and diapers.

The many myths of Vince Young…

Vince Young’s record is so good because the Titans have been so good…
Since the VY era began in Tennessee, the Titans have a 30% better winning percentage when he starts. For comparison, Brady makes that Pats right around 30% better, while Montana, Elway, and Aikman were all under 20%. There are certainly many factors at play here, but suggesting that VY’s success is a product of an outstanding Titans team (a .500 team without him) doesn’t align with the truth.

But Vince can’t throw… or VY’s numbers this year are commonplace and expected…
Compare VY’s passing this season with elite QBs past and present at age 27:

VY: 98.6 QB Rating, 3.4 TDs/Int, 8 yards/attempt

Manning: 99 QB Rating, 2.8 TDs/Int, 7.5 yards/attempt
Aikman: 99 QB Rating, 2.5 TDs/Int, 7.9 yards/attempt
Brees: 96.2 QB Rating, 2.4 TDs/Int, 8 yards/attempt
Favre: 95.8 QB Rating, 3 TDs/Int, 7.2 yards/attempt
Montana: 94.6 QB Rating, 2.2 TDs/Int, 7.6 yards/attempt
Brady: 92.6 QB Rating, 2.0 TDs/Int, 7.8 yards/attempt
Jim Kelly: 83.8 QB Rating, 1.7 TDs/Int, 6.7 yards/attempt
Elway: 83.4 QB Rating, 1.6 TDs/Int, 7.8 yards/attempt
McNair: 83.2 QB Rating, 1.2 TDs/Int, 7.2 yards/attempt
Marino: 80.8 QB Rating, 1.2 TDs/Int, 7.3 yards/attempt

But Vince doesn’t work hard…
How do you explain his incredible improvement over the past few years?

But Vince can’t handle adversity…
Pro-football-reference lists 7 fourth quarter comebacks and 11 game winning drives through 2009 (his first 39 starts). Remember his 99 yard drive against Arizona last year? or his 24 unanswered 4th quarter points against the Giants in 2006? or “fourth and 5, the National Championship on the line?” How does VY’s remarkable record in high pressure situations reflect on his capacity to handle adversity?

But Vince isn’t smart enough to play QB in the NFL…
That’s not what Fisher said to Sports Illustrated in 2006:

“In training camp, we wanted to expose him to our offense and add a little more each week, but Vince picked things up so fast that we never felt we had to back off. There were no limitations.”

Vince is a poor loser…
100% true. Would you prefer a good loser?

Titans shutout today by the worst pass defense in the NFL.

Fuck you, Fisher. Fuck you very much in the neck.

Hilarious,

How specifically did you get so stupid?

Hilarious, your handle adequately describes your meandering post.
On second thought, Delusional would be better.

It should be pretty fucking obvious to anyone who knows where Jeff Fisher went to college what the problem here is. I mean seriously, Vince had just embarrassed his alma mater to win the National Championship, so Jeff lobbied against the drafting of Vince only to have Bud go against his wishes and draft him anyway. So what does that son of a bitch do? Well, this…

Get Vince out of there or Fisher is going to successfully ruin his career. Not long ago I wouldn’t have minded Fisher being the one to leave and have Vince stay, especially with the Longhorn presence in Tennessee, but that place is in meltdown mode and anyone who doesn’t want to have lingering affects from that shit storm needs to get the fuck out ASAP

Hilarious makes a good point. When you take away his terrific won/loss record, and his passing rating this year, VY is a very average QB.

Vince Young will win this battle !

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