Randy Shannon As DC

This is about the only thing he can do at this point. Jeez, what a cluster**k!

Needs to be hired by tomorrow.

We’re in a bad position of having only one really decent immediate response possible. But at the same time we should be thankful that we have one really decent immediate response possible.

Randy Shannon would be a fine way to stop the bleeding.

Excellent results as D coordinator and a recruit whisperer.

He’s an outstanding recruiter and having an african-american coordinator could be great for recruiting the state. He would definitely need to catch up on game planning for the spread, but he carries a name, is considered a very prepared and hard worker, and again, a great recruiter. Could work out well…..

His personal story, BTW, is very inspiring and although I didn’t think much of him as a HC, I think he could be a nice fit…

Not even a decision.

Scip,

What do you think of Shannon as DC at Texas? Good hire? Schematics?

I NEED TO KNOW!

Thanks!!!

Hey! The volleyball team won in great style tonight. I think the tide’s starting to turn.

Sasha -
 
When he was DC at The U, his defenses were ranked as follows nationally:
 
2001 – 6th
2002 – 7th
2003 – 2nd
2004 – 28th
2005 – 4th
2006 – 7th
 
Give Randy Shannon the horses, and he’ll give you a good defense.

Interesting times.

Who wants to live in interesting times?

This hire, while completely necessary from a recruiting bleed-out cessation perspective, is not the best we could make. It’s like Larry Wildmon going over a cliff…..in my new Maserati.

This is what Mack Brown hath wrought, so eat a bag tonight, Mack.

Love,
SC

I’m under the impression that he’s not as, um, “multiple” as Muschamp. I’m thinking somewhere between Muschamp and Chizik on the multiple scale. Can anyone give a good x’s and o’s breakdown?

“Who wants to live in interesting times?”

Chineses?

The mother of all “no no’s” in college football would be to leave and take recruits with you. Lane Kiffin might try to pull it off but I doubt Muschamp would do it.

Randy Shannon would calm a lot of anxiety among recruits. He is a legit replacement.

Now offense…that is an entirely different can of worms.

Well the barn door is open so we better hire him now before the horses run way.

The trajectory this year in longhorn sports has taken has been epic in all the wrong ways. I can’t recall any other team starting the year with a chance to win it all and ending it this way.

ACC offenses suck something fierce!!!!!!!!!!!

I do like the Shannon idea alot. He has the experience and his name goes along way. All around great guy

So what are the odds that Gideon is still a starter next year…too soon?

Scip
Is it true that Muschamp didn’t have a buyout on his contract?

Huckleberry,

I agree with what you said. We don’t really have a choice. We have to make a hire immediately, or our 2011 class falls apart. I am just glad he is a great DC. He would be my second choice behind Smart. This just needs to happen FAST. We need Shannon visiting the defensive recruits on Monday trying to salvage this class.

Lets hope Major stays. Losing him would be painful.

Eat me Mack.

Please leave.

Billy20 -
 
Will Muschamp did not have a buyout. Correct.

Maybe Mack will hire Gideon as DC?

We need to hire Dan Mullen as our offensive coordinator and name him head coach in waiting with a timetable for him to take over from Mack Brown. Mullen only makes $1.2 million a year as head coach of Mississippi State. Unless Mullen is offered the Miami job, he should accept, provided there is a firm timetable for him to become head coach.

If Florida wants to steal our recruits, we have to be prepared to go in there and steal their recruits too. As Florida’s former offensive coordinator, Mullen is in the best position to do that. We should also hire Randy Shannon as defensive coordinator, so that we can raid Florida’s defensive recruits as well. If Florida knows that we have means of retaliation, they might back off. The added benefit is that Mullen is a proven commodity as head coach.

How is Shannon regarded as a recruiter?

“We need to hire Dan Mullen as our offensive coordinator”

Not sure if serious. But hey, you never know. Maybe pull the hoody out of new england to run the defense?

Sweet! Another washed up comfort hire for Mack. We are in for a 5 year downward spiral that will make the Bobby Bowden soap opera pale in comparison. FUCK!!!!

UT grad said:
December 11th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Eat me Mack.

Please leave.
-—————-
Fuck off, you. Seriously.

/taking shotgun out of mouth…for now.

KENS 5 just showed Applewhite on the sidelines of the Steele game this afternoon. Unfortunately, he was on his cell…………………………..and smiling.

nordberg, i posted a similar concern on the other thread about Shannon, as did Primetime.

Shannon has Chizik redux written all over him, except in black ink.

Interesting indeed, vomiting tequila, wiping mouth.

Could someone please anally rape me to counter the pain I’m feeling right now? I promise I’ll make it good like.

 fake plastered smile framed by running mascara

Shannon would certainly be a step down, but what can you do? I don’t think we can pull Smart, but we should make an effort. We can’t afford to lose our entire defensive class.

Interesting tweet from Feldman…..I didn’t remember that he was that close to getting the job:

“An option for Texas in replacing Muschamp: Randy Shannon. He was all set to become UT’s DC 4 YRs ago if Miami didn’t name him as head coach.”

Who will get him those horses?

Randy had the benefit of owning South FL at Miami in the early part of the century, B.Davis is probably drinking heavily thinking of his job keeping that type of player eligible at TX.

I just do not think its a good fit or hire here.

Aggies, TCU are getting more recruiting attention and we have LSU, OU just salivating with WIll gone.

Nordberg – Mississippi State is not exactly the New England Patriots. Mullen doesn’t want to finish his career at Mississippi State. It’s a stepping stone to a better job. How many jobs in football are better than head coach at Texas?

Kirby Smart is going to Florida or staying at Bama, folks.
 
Get realistic.

He is Will’s pal and he has been filled in on what it’s like to coach under Mack Brown.

So, if Mack hires Randy, does he bring Paula and Simon with him?

The same Chizik that helped win the national championship? Whose defense held Reggie Bush in check?

Horns For Pink –
 
Mullen’s not taking a demotion to OC for the honor of coaching under Mack Brown. Good heavens. Pull it together.

“We need to hire Dan Mullen as our offensive coordinator and name him head coach in waiting with a timetable for him to take over from Mack Brown. Mullen only makes $1.2 million a year as head coach of Mississippi State. Unless Mullen is offered the Miami job, he should accept, provided there is a firm timetable for him to become head coach.

If Florida wants to steal our recruits, we have to be prepared to go in there and steal their recruits too. As Florida’s former offensive coordinator, Mullen is in the best position to do that. We should also hire Randy Shannon as defensive coordinator, so that we can raid Florida’s defensive recruits as well. If Florida knows that we have means of retaliation, they might back off. The added benefit is that Mullen is a proven commodity as head coach."

Means of retaliation? Is this a nuclear holocaust?

By the fucking by, SEC head coaches on stable footing don’t take coordinator jobs, Pinko.

“He is Will’s pal and he has been filled in on what it’s like to coach under Mack Brown.”

Because coaching under Nick Saban is like a vacation at Canyon Ranch. Kirby Smart is staying at Alabama most likely because his salary was just doubled.

Call me crazy but I think Randy Shannon is a home run hire….considering the circumstances.

I will not try to piss on any of you and tell you it’s raining.
 
Shannon is a step down, but I think this is what’s going down. We could do worse.

“Call me crazy but I think Randy Shannon is a home run hire….considering the circumstances.”

Broken bat single in a on a pitch high and tight.

“Broken bat single in a on a pitch high and tight.”

Cocky after one good year in 10?

Shannon is a step down, but I think this is what’s going down. We could do worse.

Everyone is a step down from Muschamp as a DC . Ideally, Shannon will be able to cushion the blow a bit until the time when we’re ready to move forward with an entirely new staff.

Newy -
 
Which is why Kirby would go to Gainesville. It’s not about picnics Newy. It’s about being in a place where you feel like everyone is working hard and trying to maximize.
 
Saban guys are fed by that.

Scipio you don’t think we would try giving A&M’s DC a call? Would that be too below the belt for Mack? He’s a rising star and has acquitted himself very well down on the Brazos.

When you awoke this morning did you ever think you’d be typing that a hire of Randy Shannon would be a “home run”?

Shannon did alot of good things at the U as DC. He’s a disciplinarian. Not sure why the wheels came off for him as HC. I agree that Smart is not coming here. Who else is there?

I agree with Newy…..His recruiting acumen alone is greatly needed. Positional coaches will be important especially if Akina leaves (although that rumor is losing steam)….

Then who is the step up or at least sideways?

Anybody?

Shannon is a respected name recruits know. He’s good with Mom. Hire hin now.

“Saban guys are fed by that.”

I hear you except our own home town favorite Applewhite left because of the environment working with Saban, right?

ColoradoAg-

Did you sleep through football in the 2000’s? Actually you might have because your team sucked out loud. Shannon was the DC of one of the baddest defenses in modern college football. He was meh as a head coach. Ironically his Miami team was better than Texas this year.

I was hoping Will would stay at least one more year to take this opportunity to get the culture changed. I didn’t think he would last beyond this year and knew there was a good chance we were fucked when the Urbanite hit the bricks.

Muschamp was good and I loved his passion, commitment, and overall plan, but let’s not make him out to be Bill Belichick from an X and O’s capacity…..It’s more his overall influence on the workings of the program that will be missed……and leaving Mack to his own devices….

Hope the last person out of shaggybevo remembered to turn off the stove.

Shannon is absolutely a step down from Muschamp. Muschamp basically called Mack’s HCIW bluf when offered a position of similar stature and will now proceed to build Florida into what we should have been sans Mack’s arrogance.

My girlfriend had the best line of the night. Texas is now a bloody tampon (Mack Brown) and when we want to pull it out we’ll finally be able to begin a new cycle.

Scipio
You may be right about the Randy Shannon as DC scenario. I think this would be a positive move. Shannon is not Muschamp. That is why Muschamp is now HC at Florida. Mack Brown and Randy Shannon are good friends. This would be a solid move for Mack Brown and Shannon is a great DC. What happened in Miami as HC.. who knows.. While he was DC he was awesome.

Maybe you guys are right and Mullen says he doesn’t want the job. What’s the harm in asking him and letting him decide instead of just assuming that he’ll say no? If we’re looking for a big name to hang onto the recruits, what hire would make a bigger splash? Mack Brown will be leaving within a few years. Is a few years too long to wait for the best job in the country? We’re Texas. Why should we settle for scraps like poor ColoradofAg. Texas – 4 national championships since 1963, fAgs – zero. stick that in your ass, ColoradoFag.

Can you get any information on the recruits? That’s the last thing we need now and Randy can ease that some I think

Shannon would be a great hire at DC. He did a good job rebuilding as HC at Miami. I mean what were those people thinking when they fired him. For heavens sake man their starting QB went out for about the last 6 games. How good did we look when Colt went down? And how good has Florida looked with Tebow gone. Yes you should be training a backup, but it is rare for the #2 QB to be anywhere near as good as #1 QB. This man is a great DC, and we will not be able to keep him any longer than Chizik or WM, but he will be great while we have him at UT!

This is amazing. Do you guys really think Muschamp’s title of HCIW was legit? This was simply a tag to justify a salary.

Our only option in keeping him with would have been to fire Mack. That’s it. Florida offers you 3-4 million to coach you do not pass that up. With the way things turned out this year I questioned everything. Mack, Greg Davis (not that I needed this year to question him) and Muschamp.

Not sure I would trust Will to run things completely after the way things turned out this year.

Patrick Bateman said:
December 11th, 2010 at 9:45 pm

Muschamp was good and I loved his passion, commitment, and overall plan, but let’s not make him out to be Bill Belichick from an X and O’s capacity…..It’s more his overall influence on the workings of the program that will be missed……and leaving Mack to his own devices….

You’re selling him short on recruiting. No Muschamp then…
2010
No Hicks
No Jeffcoat
No Wilson

2011 Possibly
No Edmond
No Russell
No Thompson
No Evans

2012 possibly
No Cole
No Edwards
No Magee
No Brown

We are in a very very bad position now as it pertains to recruiting.

I’m confused as to why Shannon is a step down as a DC. He was among the best in the nation as a D-Coordinator and recruiter and his guys went to the league. You say ACC offenses suck, I say SEC offenses suck. Would rather have a guy that has proven he’s a top 10 coordinator before, perhaps was Muschamp’s equal during the same time period, and a proven recruiter. In case no one saw this year, Our defense sucked, just like it did the year Chizik left. Don’t see what would be so bad about this. I think Shannon would hold a credibility in the state that would certainly have to be feared nationally.

Horns for Pink -

Clever. All that stuff is very pertinent right now. We’re pleased with our scrap of a DC, and we’re even okay not having a OC.

Maybe Mack will conference you in when he calls Dan Mullen and offers a demotion. That “Head Coach In Waiting” title has a lot of appeal right now. The laughter out of Starkville might teach you something about how the coaching ladder is built.

Man,

I was slighting WM at all. He’s an outstanding recruiter, but so is Shannon or should we go through the U’s defense of the 90’s? Both are outstanding recruiters. WM’s star is on the rise, but Shannon brings a lot to the table and could be a great fit.

Newy25 said:
December 11th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

Not sure I would trust Will to run things completely after the way things turned out this year.

And you trust Mack who is actually in charge and created the conditions that caused this season?

I think we might be fucked in the pink with some of our bad ass D recruits…Shannon won’t save it; is Mack dumb enough to drag this out?

Well, the silver lining is that now I don’t see how Mack lasts past next year if he doesn’t win conference. 2-14 should be unacceptable, but as long as we had the Insurance Plan in Waiting, the Powers that be might have allowed a few years of limbo out of respect to Mack while the program slid. Fair or unfair, the donors and fans are going to blame Mack for WM’s departure and I can’t see enough patience to survive anything other than proof of a major turnaround.

Scipio, Thanks for trying to talk me down, but this feels more like a golden thunderstorm please. This is really bad.

Ok, let’s pull it together, we have to pull it together. This is not a time to panic.

edit:

That should have stated I wasn’t* slighting WM….

Also the aught’s no the 90’s……Time to put down the bourbon….

Patrick Bateman.
You on target. Will Muschamp got the offer of a lifetime. He grew up in the area and it is a better fit. That happens. Randy Shannon is not WM and WM is not Randy Shannon. They are both very similiar in fashion. Guess what.. WM has not proven himself as HC. Randy Shannon got a great offer at Miami and that did not go well. He was a great DC and will bring value to the table at Texas. Also, Mack Brown and Randy Shannon are good friends.

I’m assuming that Horns for Pink is satire of some sort. But if not, please remind me of the last head coach to voluntarily leave his position to become a coordinator at another school. Not to mention that Mullen is obviously an up and coming head coach, who will pretty much have his choice as to what fucking peach job he gets over the next couple of years. Hell, maybe Texas in 2012.

“And you trust Mack who is actually in charge and created the conditions that caused this season?”

No I don’t. Not completely. You would have known that had you read the first part of my post.

Mack has to restore his credibility as well. He can start by naming Randy Shannon as DC tomorrow and convincing Major and the other coaches to stay. Then hire a new S&C coach, OL coach…etc that puts new life back into the offense.

man in black-
After 13 winning seasons and a national championship, doesn’t Mack get a pass? He did the right thing after the season- fired Davis. Losing Muschamp sucks, but even if we’d won the National Championship this year, he still would have left for Florida. It’s a top 3 job. Shannon’s an excellent recruiter, and he will absolutely have his D ready to play. I remember watching his D line in early 2000s. Brutal. Absolutely Brutal. Hopefully we can keep Akina.

I get that Major is an ace recruiter, but is it the end of the world if he goes? I’m ready for everyone on the offensive side of the ball to take a walk. He didn’t set the world on fire as a RB coach. Maybe that’s Davis’ handiwork, but I’m from Missouri on it.

I have been a Texas fan for more than two decades. During that time I have repeatedly told all of my Florida friends (I live in, and have always had family in Florida) that Texas was a national program that deserved national respect. I have had to eat those words over and over again.

I am married to a Gator and have a diploma from that school myself. At some point I will be glad that Muschamp is their coach, but it won’t be any time soon. Fuck the whole Texas football program for earning one fucking MNC in my lifetime. The state of Florida has at least a decade of them.

Mack will never win another one. I will be sick on the night that Will coaches for his first, knowing that could have been ours. Much like the night I spent in Miami watching UF beat OU when we should have been there.

98,

It’s not that he’s irreplaceable as a coach, it’s that he’s reportedly our 2nd best recruiter and he adds continuity to a program with very little right now. Also the fact that he brings the type of work ethic and attitude that more of the fan base appreciates. If this was last year, it would have sucked but no one really bats an eye. Because it happens on top of all the other movement, his importance is increased…..Recruiting is still the life blood of any program…Also, he’s a well thought of young mind in the most of the coaching world and hungry…..We haven’t had enough of that around here….

I think it’s time to unleash the elephant. Obviously, we can’t even control the coaching staff we thought was stable, why not roll the dice on Mike Leach?

Sorry but I think Randy Shannon would be an equivalent or actually an upgrade to Will Muschamp. Why? Well it is simple. Muschamp’s defenses were inconsistent in stretches in games and in all three seasons he was on the 40 acres. When he guess right on his stunts and blitzes we put the hurt on offenses, but when he guessed wrong the Longhorns were gashed.

I think Shannon’s defenses would play more overall solid and soundly than Muschamp’s. Could he have problems adjusting to all the spread offenses? Maybe…..but I would rather have a sound defense that can consistently stop the run and Muschamp’s didn’t.

How did Randy Shannon’s defenses fair against Meyer’s spread offenses at Florida the last 5 years or other spread type offenses? I know he got smoked @Norman once, but think his squad was severely over matched talent wise that season.

Anyone know?

Shannon is not an innovator. But if he’s the best guy available, thank God he’s already been fired so we don’t have to play by Marquis of Queensbery rules in contacting him.

@Newy you and I are half way there together. I think I have more confidence in Muschamp than you necessarily do. I will say I agree with you that Shannon needs to be the hire b/c of the name and he can probably salvage what we have. But he is step down.

@98horn I’m not sure if he “deserves” a pass but he’s getting one. Think about how historic this years tank job has been. No other school in the history of college football has done what we did this year. Mack Brown’s name will be associated with that magnanimous failure as much as it is with his national championship.

There are maybe 3 or 4 people on this thread who actually realize the contacts and impressions Muschamp made in the state of Texas while he was here. I am going to take a wait and see approach to this but Muschamp leaving is going make turning our recruiting failures around much more difficult than 5-7 ever was. And if Mack loses Major as well then he’s toast. Seriously.

I’m concerned about Shannon. He really sucked as a head coach, completely.
The hell with all this friends of Mack crap. Mack needs to make new friends with stud DC’S. Even though in the spread O’s are rare in the Big Ten, I would like to see Iowa’s DC get a call.They do really well with subpar team talent.

Losing Major is would be losing a critical coaching asset, but it’s far more than that. It’s a huge indictment of the state of the program. This is not a perennial candidate getting offered a dream job, as with Muchamp. This is a diehard Texas life, one of the most identifiable players in Texas’ history (not to mention Mack Brown’s coaching career) leaving us when we’re most vulnerable. Further, leaving when he has an apparent line of ascendancy to the head chair. Such a move would send an unmistakable message that even those who bled for the program can’t condone the way it’s being run and have little faith that Mack Brown can right the ship.

The reason Mack doesn’t deserve a pass? 2-7…Stoops has owned this conference while Mack focuses on getting his 10 wins.

I wish this thread was about finding a replacement for Mack. I give him his due for what he has done in the past. But, the past is the past and I only give a shit about the future. He is not it. Muschamp with his desire to bring in young hard working, accountable people was the way to go. Mack is weak, old, rich, and is no longer suited for what we need.

Randy Shannon would be an awesome move! He is an awesome recruiter. He has the notoriety and has been a successful D.C. He can open a pipe line to South Florida Talent. He exemplifies professionalism and did a great job cleaning up Miami’s thuggish image. He was not a good head coach but he is respected, and as I previously stated he can run a defense. He is also African American and that would give the Texas staff some diversity. All in all I think it would be a great move I hope we act fast and do this move just as quickly as Florida did!!!!!!!!!

Florida may have been a surprise, but Will being offered a major HC job shouldn’t have been. So one would hope that Mack would have added Shannon to his backup plan list as soon as Miami cut him. But then one would also assume that the backup QB’s arm would be warmed up after a handful of INT’s and the lessons from the Rose Bowl, so who knows.

Nordberg, You may be right. But what peachy jobs are on the horizon? Florida just locked down their coach of the future. USC just hired a new coach last year, and they will be mired in sanctions for the near future. Iif we allow the top rated recruiting class in the country to fall apart, the Texas job won’t be worth a boot full of warm piss in 2012. We have to right this ship immediately. Perception is reality. We need a big name hire at offensive coordinator. Why think small? Just because something has never been done before, doesn’t mean it can’t be done.

If you were the CEO of a small company, and Google gave you a contract promising to make you CEO within a set number of years and pay you accordingly, would you turn them down? Mullen is making $1.2 million per year. Recruitocosm reported that the board of regents approved seven figures for a new offensive coordinator. This deal would make a lot of sense for both parties.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/high_school/high_school_football/article/Browns-in-contact-with-Applewhite-876002.php

Malcolm Brown’s Dad talks to Applewhite. Need a splash hire at OC quickly also.

Horns For Pink -
 
You need to stop. Stop. Seriously.

Shannon is an idealogue as a DC. That’s the concern here. He’ll adhere to his defensive philosophies irrespective of the evolution of the offenses on the Big XII. I’m not saying that he’s not a good fundamentally sound DC (he is, especially when it comes to tackling). But if you ever got frustrated watching Chizik refuse to change personnel and force OLBs to cover slot WRs all in the name of “stop the run first” philosophy, then you’ll absolutely love Randy Shannon.

On the upside, we’ll tackle well on defense, we’ll do well in identifying talent to fit the scheme on the recruiting trail, and we’ll have defensive players who are provided with coaching-level leadership and a high character role model. Oh yeah, he’ll help to stem the recruiting losses of 2011, 2012.

On the downside, I don’t think we’re getting a guy who knows how to stop the offenses of the next decade, whether they’re the “Spread / zone-read” of Oregon, nor the “spread / aerial attack” of Mizzou, Leach, etc…

Tommy would not comment on whether Applewhite specifically said he would remain on the Texas coaching staff or if he would follow Will Muschamp to Florida.

Awesome

Can we stop the Muschamp genious stuff. All we did for years was complain about how to stop the spread, then teams like Tech or Okie St would go to the Cotton Bowl and get their shit pushed in offensively. Why, because SEC defensive coordinators actually teach good tackling and fundamental play. They defended these teams straight up and stressed actually being in position with your linebackers and covering on the backside. Do you really think Muschamp did anything beyond that? No.

Bring in Shannon on the defensive side of the ball and Harsin on the offensive side.

If Major leaves the 40 acres for Florida, then we all know that there was a ton of animosity going on with Mack’s coaching staff. I don’t think that Will is going to give Major the OC position at UF and if Major leaves the 40 acres for a lateral position coach position, then we all know that the program is in trouble.

How much trouble? Not sure until we see Harsin work his magic in Austin.

Interesting article about that offensive philosophy that was posted on this site on another thread.

http://smartfootball.com/gameplanning/breaking-down-boise-how-the-broncos-use-leverage-numbers-and-grass-to-gash-the-opposition

We need to hire Shannon and Jeffcoat tomorrow to shore up the defensive recruiting.

Offensively, screwed if this is true:

http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20101211/ARTICLES/101219893/1136?Title=Source-Applewhite-to-be-offensive-coordinator

My opinion but if Mack loses Major as well he’s toast.

Damn, I thought the momentum had swung back to the “Major is staying” position. Fuck you gatorsports.com

Maybe the best call to make would be from Powers to Foley…

ColoradoAg:

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=282640245
http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=272632390

Randy Shannon isn’t blowing my skirt up, and I can see his defenses getting lit up in the Big XII-2.

This season was only palatable because it ended GD’s reign of suck on the 40 acres and hastened the WM era. So much for that. Now we’re left with a clapping corpse who was ready to hang’em up this year if it had ended well.

I would say to target Mullen for the next possible head coach, but what quality assistants want to come in and keep the seats warm for one year? This is bad. Very, very bad. And any pipe dreams of Peterson or Harbough can be put to bed right the hell now.

Agree with that, Mr. Batronic. The dream is dead.

 I was actually excited the last couple of games this season because I felt it meant the loss of GD and the hastening of better days with Muschamp leading the team.

The next couple of years are going to be a holding pattern until we can install a new regime, we aren’t going to hunt for MNCs, or even Big 12-2 titles. It’s just a matter of how much more damage is done before the next guy can put us back on the straight and narrow.

bottom line is
Muschamp is a major loss. he is one of the best coaches in college football. period.
but Shannon is not a bad hire and would be better than just about any other reasonable option.

and show class….
ColoradoAg is a reasonable guy.
Half of you are allowing an aggie to make you look like nitwits and jackasses.
shut up and show some class. we have had one bad year. dont turn into sour grapes and get all pissy at others for our failures. Yeah it sucks but im not about to go seek out falcons fans and call em queer or anyhting.

whether it takes us a year or a decade, we will be back.
HOOK EM

tried to include this video..

I’ve typed up at least 3 essays on the state of the program//my personal feelings about tonight’s development, only to fatfinger the back button on my phone (thanks, giant bottle of Tequila!).

I’ll sum up each of the essay’s general theme below:

Fuck.

Shannon won’t be Muschamp, but if we can get 80 percent of the way there with Shannon, make a home run hire at offensive coordinator (e.g. Harsin), and fill out the staff with young, energetic recruiting types, then there will be a net gain in the coaching staff. We still have a huge problem in the strength and conditioning department, and I’m now less optimistic we’ll see change there, unfortunately.

Colby – bend over and take it like a real poof! Really, grow a dick and balls son.

I want to college football die.

Shannon would be terrible. His defense is so archaic. He still basically runs a soft 4-3 cover two shell defense. Unless he had a first round pick at safety his defenses would create zero turnovers. It worked at Miami ’cause he had Ed Reed and Sean Taylor four about six years. Big XII offenses would shred us. Teams are good enough now to dink and dunk their way down the field. I will never forget Craig Krenzel, and Bryan Randall shredding a ’Cane D that had the likes of Antrell Rolle, Sean Taylor, Jonathon Vilma, DJ Williams, Vince Wilfork, etc.

This would be could for recruiting, but that’s about it.

Looks like the “Golden Age of Texas Athletics” has turned out to be Copper.

I was literally on the toilet when my father called me to ask if I knew WM was gone…I didn’t want to get up.

“Unless he had a first round pick at safety his defenses would create zero turnovers. "
Sounds remarkably like the new head coach at Florida.

Prime:

Yeah Shannon just may struggle against spread offenses, but have you not looked around and realize that Mike Leach and Kevin Wilson are no longer going to be on the conference schedule any time soon?

We just could wind up with a much better coaching staff after all of this…..remember we did have a losing season and gave up 73 points to two teams that threw a combined 13 passes against us in 2010.

“Teams are good enough now to dink and dunk their way down the field. I will never forget Craig Krenzel, and Bryan Randall shredding a ‘Cane D that had the likes of Antrell Rolle, Sean Taylor, Jonathon Vilma, DJ Williams, Vince Wilfork, etc.”

I’m not sure either of them ‘shredded’ the Miami defense.

Krenzel played them once in the famous Fiesta Bowl:

7 for 21 for 122 yards, 2 INTs

Bryan Randall played them 3 times in his career:

15 for 26 for 165 yards, 1 TD
0 for 4, 1 INT
11 for 18 for 148 yards, 2 TD

Now both had some success in 1 game running the ball. Randall had over a 100 yards his sophomore year and Krenzel had 81 yards in the Fiesta bowl, but neither had what qualifies as great games. Okay, maybe that is shredding for Randall because he wasn’t very good…..Ha, ha, ha…..I think it’s good to have debate over Shannon’s credentials but I’m not sure the characterization of shredding is apt in those examples…..

I think it just still stings from losing WM for all of us…..

Maybe it’s just the whiskey talking but FUCK ALL THIS SHIT.

Signing off. (hic)

Oh wait real quick Prime Time – “I will never forget Craig Krenzel, and Bryan Randall shredding a ‘Cane D that had the likes of Antrell Rolle, Sean Taylor, Jonathon Vilma, DJ Williams, Vince Wilfork, etc.”

Should also be pointed out that he helped target and recruit all those dudes. Personally I’d rather waste half of Sean Taylor’s talent than maximize a Reed Boyd or two.

what about robinson? I thought he set the tone well before Chiz and will

didn’t know pcp was still a big thing to do in waco.

BURN IT TO THE GROUND

A few deep breaths and a little sleep have helped somewhat.

Loss of Muschamp hurts.
Stop the bleeding NOW> Hire Shannon ASAP.

The right OC hire done QUICKLY could stabilize the patient.
The right OC hire will still give us a net gain after all is said and done.

We’re stuck with Mack for now, but he WANTS to retire soon and will as
soon as he puts things right. Now that the wheels have come off completely,
he’ll be more reasonable and practical. He does not want to do a complete
rebuild, so he will make bold moves to quickfix. He has backed himself
into a corner on this.

No doubt that Mack deserves the whole blame for this debacle, he’s lost
much of his credibility, and he’s feeling a lot of heat. For those reasons I expect
him to respond energetically.
Unless he’s truly burned out or delusional. Can’t completely rule that out.

It shouldn’t be hard to coach D at Texas, considering the talent pool that will want to play here. Muschamp lost the team as much as the next guy, and who knows if he’ll do any good there. Coachng D is a whole lot simpler than coaching O, which is why D coordinators generally are poor head coaches. It shouldn’t be that hard to find a hard ass.

You folks should secede (again).

Shannon has played the street agent game before (see the recruitment of Arthur and Bryce Brown out of Wichita Ks. ). I don’t know if he has “issues” in this area but there is at least a little smoke around him.

We really like this hire.

Shannon would be great for Texas. He is an excellent DC, can recruit and he puts players in the pros – which , BTW, helps recruiting. He had one bad defense in 2004, then rebuilt it in 2005 and 2006. In 2006 at UM, the Defense was the bright spot as the UM offense was in the tank at that point. He likes athletic D-linemen up front and LB’s that can run all over the place. If he gets a lock down corner, then he lets his safties loose on you…think, Brandon Merriweather, Kenny Phillips or, the late great Sean Taylor, laying the wood. He doesn’t blitz a lot, but dores throw i nthe run blitz when needed. He likes to have 6-7 D-lineman he can rotate to keep them fresh. Now, this past year at UM there was a lot more blitzing (because he had Brandon Harris at corner) in passing situations so, he may have changed his philosophy a little. He got ran up on by GT in 2008 (472 yard rushing), but shut them down the last two years. He’s not perfect but he’s an excellent coach and very good guy. Plus he doesn’t wear an arm band and try to pretend he is still a player.

Things did not pan out as far him being a head coach at UM, but that program is in much better shape than when he took over and the next HC will reap the beneifts of the groundwork he laid.

Shannon would be a solid hire imo. I liked the fire Muschamp brought to the table but I cant say I have been very happy with his scheming this year. Our run D was atrocious up the middle, against mediocre to poor opponents.

The fact is top coaching talent will move up the chain. As much as everyone posts crap about how pissed off they are at Mack, there is a reason he is considered a top coach. Hell, he got Muschamp here in the first place…can you blame Will for taking one of the top jobs in the country by his hometown. This is not Mack’s first rodeo, although it is a bit daunting having to totally reinvent yourself.

I was at Texas under Mackovic so I will definitely give Coach Brown the benefit of the doubt.

Get Shannon in, who is as solid a D coordinator that is out there, and also brings head coaching experience might I add.

And do it now.

On the Bryce Brown thing, Shannon pulled the sholarship offer because he got tired of being jerked around by the kid and his “consultant.” He saw thew writing on the wall with that kid and moved on. Arthur Brown was bust and couldn’t get on the field at UM. He left last year.

Randy ran it as clean as he could…although they did report a secondary violation because the recruiting coordinator, who is no longer there, was texting recruits when he should not have been.

Shannon concerns me in that if this debacle shows one thing it’s that college football has changed in the last 10 years college football has changed further exposing the mediocrities at X and O that are MB and GD.

It has been pointed out that a dink and dunk spread would shred Shannon’s preferred scheme. How about that combined with the RGIII dual threat? Seems a serious possibility that the ACC offenses against which Shannon compiled his DC skins make B12-2 offenses look space age.

Further the loss of WM requires a sideline dynamo to counterbalance Mack’s clapping spitting deer in the headlights. Is Shannon that guy?

My wife (Trinity grad) says fuck Muschamp. Guys play twice as hard for Lineweaver.

I’m going to throw out Dick Bumpas as a suggestion. Patterson is light years ahead of the other DCs in college football for defending spread offenses. No substitutions. Can defend any type of spread, pass or option. Mack should just copy Patterson on offense and defense. Texas should be TCU on steroids right now.

“Who wants to live in interesting times?”

The heathen Chy-nee.

As long as he brings his hounds…

What spread did we stop the last couple of years? A&M shredded us two years in a row with the genious coach in charge. Baylor shredded us. Outside of ‘09, OU shredded us. Even in the epic ’08 victory. The perception is really interesting as to how much we have really stopped people. We’ve had a great secondary and a couple of NFL caliber DE/OLBs. We also had the luxury of playing against few real running teams. When we did, outside of Nebraska, we were shredded. Not trying to soften the blow, but trying to end this nonsense that Muschamp is irreplaceable when it comes to a guy like Shannon.

The quick move of Muschamp makes it harder for UT to hire a big name OC or DC, and leaks are a symptom of a political culture where direct information cannot be completely trusted.

Interesting times indeed.

I think if you look a little closer at Shannon’s record and take the offensive rankings of his opponents into consideration you will see he didn’t fair all that great when he played above average offenses. He is solid but anything but a savior.

He seems to be like a Chizik redux. Runs a very specific system and when he has the players to make it work, and he’s going against offenses that can’t exploit it, he does well.

Remember Chizik’s Tampa 2?

The heathen Chy-nee.

I’ve always been told that that saying is a curse, not an expression of well wishes.

What we need is to get the best offensive coordinator, which happens to be Mike Leach. Then we can worry about the DC.

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2002 – 7th
2003 – 2nd
2004 – 28th
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2006 – 7th
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