Trust Mack: When Ancient Grudge Breaks To New Mutiny
Muschamp's departure has deepened a schism in the Texas fan base already cut deep by this season's on-field and off-the-field disaster.
Two households, both alike in dignity, in fair Austin, where we lay our scene, from ancient grudge break to new mutiny, Where civil blood makes civil hands unclean.
Two camps - Trust Mack and Pine For Muschamp - are in a civil war. Neither represents the actual man himself, mind you, since neither Mack or Will are in real substantive opposition, but that has never stopped human beings from adopting their mantle and smiting each other with flails and morning stars.
The Trust Mack contingent believes that Mack built this and can again, defensive coordinators are easily replaced commodities, some hold that Muschamp wasn't that great anyway; some even believe that Muschamp and any coach who follows him are disloyal. They hold that Texas will be just fine, Chicken Littles. We're Texas. Trust Mack.
The Pine For Muschamp camp contends that Mack can only rejuvenate, not optimize. Some believe that Muschamp was driven away to Florida by Mack's inability to manage process and people with folksy wisdom informed by an Ol' Coach's Quotebook and management techniques gleaned from the Oxygen channel. The wrong man is leaving the 40 Acres, they suspect.
And there are lot of people in the middle ranges floating up and down the axis of opinion.
Then there are The Stupid. Who are always with us. Particularly as our network grows. They exist in all categories, some even hovering above the argument in some strange defiance of space-time. I don't know where they're from, but I will pay for their vasectomies.
One emphatic point:
The truth is not somewhere in the middle. I despise people who say that. That's espoused by people who like to suggest their own fair mindedness with the notion that truth is an arithmetic division of all opinion. No. Assertions can be weighed, kicked, poked, and evaluated to see if they approach something like truth. You don't take them and average them together to find a mean. The scientific method agrees. Every blowhard who has ever opined on a cable talking head show disagrees.
Let me throw out a few things approaching true, irrespective of what camp may draw your sympathies.
Will Muschamp Was Driven Away!
No.
Will Muschamp went to Florida because he was offered a Top 3 job.
Everything else is garnish and "oh, isn't that interesting."
His frustrations with Mack Brown or his sense that things weren't being optimized at Texas are an irrelevance in that bigger picture. Had Muschamp taken the Vanderbilt job, then we can talk. But he went to Florida. After passing on Tennesssee a year ago. That tells you Will's math pretty plainly. Top 3 job - pack bags. Top 15 job - nah. Too bad he didn't get offered by Georgia, LSU, Penn State. Then we'd know his actual tipping point.
While one can certainly offer a preference that Will Muschamp lead the program instead of Brown that's an option only under the following scenarios:
1. Mack Brown immediately resigns and Muschamp takes over.
2. Mack Brown and the Texas administration firm up Mack's retirement date in 2011 or 2012 with a formal agreement to pay Muschamp a 5 million dollar penalty if he is not named head coach at Texas by date X, while Muschamp agrees to the imposition of a 7.5 million dollar buy-out penalty to stop poachers.
Those are the only two credible scenarios in which Will Muschamp remains at Texas. Neither happened. And #2 would have needed to happen four days ago. If option #2 was offered post-Florida offer, Muschamp would have to weigh how long he really is willing to put off his dream vs. taking orders from a guy he may be somewhat convinced he could be doing a better job than in several program areas.
Muschamp Is Disloyal!
Back to the big picture: for Muschamp, it's not that a bird in hand is worth two in the bush. It's that a bird in hand is always worth more than one identical but theoretical bird in the bush.
Florida and Texas are more or less the same job in terms of coaching appeal. Any coordinator who would not jump at the opportunity to coach the Gators shouldn't be in the profession. Keys to great car now or possible keys to great car at an indeterminate future date?
Not a hard choice.
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So why are some people so upset about losing Muschamp?
Let me have men about me that are fat, Sleek-headed men, and such as sleep o' nights. Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much, such men are dangerous. (I, iii, 192-5). - Julius Caesar
First, a sense that Muschamp was bringing much needed edge to a coaching staff that was fat and happy. I suspect most won't argue against that anymore, though the numbers were legion a year ago. Brown eventually saw that too, but he needed 5-7 for it to be clear. Unfortunately, Mack Brown has not self-diagnosed that he was largely responsible for that complacency and the entitlement that he decries, yet has so often created in his handling of personnel, staff, and evaluation. Mack likes to anoint people. I don't. Personally speaking - ENTP to his ESFJ - it drives me completely insane.
Second, Muschamp represented our HCIW. If you've soured on Mack, you've lost the subtle pressure of a groomed replacement in waiting and the hope offered by a guy on staff that you think might be able to meet the challenges of a new landscape. Now Brown is cemented and Pine For Muschampers are lashing out, their hopes for near term change dashed.
Third, Will was a damn good defensive coordinator. His three year record is a very good one: massive improvement in 2008 from the Akina/MacDuff debacle of 2007, a defense that carried us to the national title game in 2009, and in 2010 a defense that we resent for being statistically Top 10 but ultimately unable to escape the pull of offense and special teams that were like quicksand.
Fourth, an open defensive coordinator job picks at a lot of scabs on a Texas fan and Mack has hired a range of DCs from failure: Reese/Akina/MacDuff; to solid but overrated: Chizik; solid and underrated: Robinson; good all around: Muschamp. There's little evidence to suggest that hires here have been nothing but a crap shoot.
Fifth, the timing is awful on the heels of the offensive house cleaning. The prospect of a completely brand new staff means Mack is more likely to hire in his comfort zone rather than take risks that he can better absorb psychologically with a stable base around. Mack is going to be looking at a bunch of new faces soon. After a tumultuous 2010, he may want to see some comfortable ones. And any young men he brings in may be overly deferential without a senior management champion in their corner. It also increases the probability that S&C may not be addressed.
Finally, people that really understand and follow recruiting know the impact Muschamp (and Applewhite) had on ours over the last two years. A staff needs rainmakers, guys willing to shake the bushes, evaluators, individuals who will fight for the elite talent rather than be concerned about their offer acceptance hit rate percentages. The guy who will speak up in a staff meeting and call out a colleague on a lazy take. It's not just about the current recruiting class - it's also about how recruiting will be conducted down the road.
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The Trust Mack brand has taken a big hit over the last year. Will Muschamp was a repository of hope for a lot of fans who believe that we operate in a Darwinian world of strife and competition where even the programs with great natural advantages must constantly be adapting to their environment. Or perish. Most hoped the changes he could effect could happen under the Mack Brown regime, leading to an eventually bloodless transition of leadership.
With that possibility now gone, the Muschamp partisans find themselves as lost as the Trust Mack crowd found themselves at the end of 5-7.
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Can’t blame Muschamp. He spent enough time here to know that Mack could only drag him down. It must suck to be as vibrant and always “go go go” like Muschamp is, and have to be constrained by Mack “Sure, Garret Gilbet just toss five interceptions in 3 quarters, but gosh darn it, we’re gonna keep playing him anway” Brown. You look at a man who makes that kind of decisions and what else can you conclude except you’re working with a dinosaur?
by yojimbox on Dec 12, 2010 10:43 PM CST reply actions
Great take. Either way, no one is happy with the current situation. Hopefully, it will clear itself up starting tomorrow….and both sides will be happy.
by DCTexasEx on Dec 12, 2010 10:45 PM CST reply actions
yojimbox,
I think you’re missing his point. His leaving had nothing to do with anything except the fact that he was offered an equivalent job now. As opposed to having to wait indefinitely for the same one.
by DCTexasEx on Dec 12, 2010 10:48 PM CST reply actions
That was a great essay. Thanks. Right after aggy I prayed Mack would step down. I still had hope he would. What a gut punch.
by Guh on Dec 12, 2010 10:48 PM CST reply actions
Can I put myself in the category of people who don’t really care whose fault it is right now and just want to win? I don’t think we needed to keep Will at all costs, but the last year has made me lose faith in Mack (and some of it was coming back after he was finally getting rid of some of the dead weight) and it will get worse if he just turtles like a GDGD offense.
BTW, DC: you and upstairs or downstairs guy at Rhodeside?
by WanderingHorn on Dec 12, 2010 10:52 PM CST reply actions
I love this write up.
Anyhow, let me ask you this. What exactly were the terms of HCIW, other than just a title? I keep hearing that phrase we all hear sometimes, “he didn’t live up to his word,” bandied about. What was Will’s word? Did he have to give “word” that he would be the HCIW? I’ve heard some say, because of the result, that it was a one-way street, but to me it seemed like a no-way street. What would Will’s recourse have been had we chosen someone else, if Mack had been the one to leave?
Again, I can’t agree with your analysis more. There are pros and cons to every job, from DC at Texas, to analyst, to teacher, to grocery bagger. Some cons might be that you disagree with your boss, pros might be that you love your pay, or future benefits.
Whatever the case may be, no one factor, generally is going to make or break the situation. Here, we had a situation where, I would say regardless of the pros (aside from a contractual promise that Mack would step down at year’s end), Will would have jumped at the chance to take the Florida job, whether Texas had won last year’s MNC, and was looking at a repeat chance this year, or if Texas was in the position that we’re in now. You just don’t turn down one of two equals, that’s a sure thing, for (what appears to be me to be) a non-contractual promise of another, at an unspecified time in the future.
by redfoot on Dec 12, 2010 10:53 PM CST reply actions
@Wandering,
I actually don’t ever make it out there anymore, used to several years back on occasion . Generally either stay in DC and watch at Iron Horse— the manager is a friend and is a Horn fan who grew up in Elgin— or watch at my house with some friends. Strange as it sounds, I very rarely head out of the District into VA unless it’s for work.
by DCTexasEx on Dec 12, 2010 10:58 PM CST reply actions
This is the best thing to happen to us. Mack cannot put it on cruise control any longer. He has to act aggressively to fix the program to define his legacy. He is so fat out of any comfort zone staying in one no longer makes sense. His sponges are all gone. This crisis will bring the best out of Mack, his full focus, it’s how he was when he hired Muschamp, which was outside his comfort zone.
by AndrewfromUTLaw2 on Dec 12, 2010 10:59 PM CST reply actions
Sailor mentioned this already in another thread, but I think it is worth repeating. From the perspective of Muschamp, the Florida and Texas HC jobs are not equal. The Florida job is better. I think Scipio and several commenters are wrong when they describe the jobs as roughly equal. I think Will would definitely choose Florida even if Mack was retiring tomorrow and he could pick either one.
by tim on Dec 12, 2010 11:03 PM CST reply actions
Thanks for taking a stand. Never heard as many “we’re Texas!” cries as I have today. We were Texas when we lost to Baylor. Nothing is guaranteed.
We’re not dead yet but we’re losing a lot of blood.
by Mad Clapper on Dec 12, 2010 11:07 PM CST reply actions
"Most hoped the changes he could effect could happen under the Mack Brown regime, leading to an eventually bloodless transition of leadership.
With that possibility now gone, the Muschamp partisans find themselves as lost as the Trust Mack crowd found themselves at the end of 5-7."
Your last statement sums up where I am quite well.
I never invested in this team from even the summer because I could see that we weren’t going to be much good. I didn’t think we’d lose 7 games, but I knew we weren’t going to be playing for anything meaningful. And, as such, I was never emotionally torn up by the wreckage that was this season. I more or less saw it coming.
Muschamp leaving has devastated me. Everything good about this program and its future that allowed me to get through 5-7 has up and vanished like a fart in the wind.
I am so concerned about the immediate future of this program, and if that makes me a Pine For Muschamp Chicken Little…whatever.
I feel like Margaret Schroeder getting the rag in her cake. I don’t want to go back.
by Homesick Alien on Dec 12, 2010 11:08 PM CST reply actions
tim -
Sailor mentioned this already in another thread, but I think it is worth repeating. From the perspective of Muschamp, the Florida and Texas HC jobs are not equal. The Florida job is better.
Texas is perceived as a Top 3 job by almost everyone in college football with a vote. A lot of people think it’s #1. Arguing whether we’re #2 or #4 isn’t that interesting to me.
Muschamp would probably pick Texas since he has already put in the sweat equity and he’d have total power in picking his staff. At Florida, Urban Meyer will have an office down the hall and he’s only getting to pick a portion of his staff. And he’s starting completely over.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 12, 2010 11:14 PM CST reply actions
Disagree. As it relates to recruiting In Florida you have FSU on the rise again, Miami hiring a new coach, and the other Florida schools (Southern Florida, Central Florida, etc) who are starting to make noise. Plus, the other SEC schools are doing their best to take players.
In Texas, the Longhorns had been dominating recruiting and were set to continue that. Muschamp knows that going to Florida was less of a guarantee for recruiting than it would be here.
by Texoz on Dec 12, 2010 11:14 PM CST reply actions
Well said, Scipio. The summation of the Longhorn fandom camps was a bit cathartic for me. I’m now at a point where I just want to find out what we have going into next season; ready to move on. I’m dead tired of hearing that another source has said that Applewhite is/isn’t staying.
by Burnt Orange Wookiee on Dec 12, 2010 11:20 PM CST reply actions
Scipio and Texoz, I appreciate what you are saying, but you don’t have to convince me that the Texas job is better. I am alumni so it would be hard for me to be impartial, but I would think the Texas job is still objectively better. I don’t think it really matters to somebody from SEC country though. Have you guys ever met a Bama/Gator/LSU fan? The superiority complex is extreme with those people. They really believe the SEC is far better than any other league.
Scipio, I do agree with you that the effort he has already put in here at Texas would be a strong pull. He has a lot of equity in the program. It would definitely be a factor in Texas’ favor. I don’t know how much of a role Urban will have in Florida’s program going forward, but I would have to think if Mack retired tomorrow he may still have influence and a role in the program. I am not sure which one would be more of a nuisance.
Texoz, I don’t necessarily disagree that recruiting is more competitive in Florida, but we do have some competition for recruits here too. From OU to LSU to the Oregon street agents. there is plenty to contend with here.
I still think all those factors are outweighed by the pull of the SEC, for a guy that grew up watching the SEC on TV. He specifically said that in his public statement, and I take him at his word.
by tim on Dec 12, 2010 11:43 PM CST reply actions
Just great stuff, Scipio. Bravo. When our collective hide is chapped, your words are like Aloe Vera.
As a brief addendum, I’d say it’s OK to be a little pissed at Muschamp, especially if/when he starts taking our coaches and recruits. But it should be the same kind of pissiness we reserve for Mike Sherman and the like. It’s all in the name of competition, and it’s all just football in the end.
by Dagga Roosta on Dec 12, 2010 11:50 PM CST reply actions
I’ve been thinking a lot a about your program builders vs. optimizers comparisons the last few days. Or maybe it was Taylor’s piece on the subject I’m thinking of, I could probably find it if I dug around for awhile but that really isn’t the point. I’m not in either of the camps currently, mainly because I prefer the wait and see approach to either celebrating prematurely or the wailing and gnashing of teeth a priori. This is about as fluid a situation as has happened in longhorn netdom, especially given the coverage technology that is following it. Signing Chris Simms crashed the server of my main source of information not that long ago, now I’m following wild rumors from 10 sources to figure out what’s going on. I liked srr50’s piece below and have decided just to wait and see what happens.
Back to the original point, a lot of the frustration I had over the issue isn’t concerned so much with Mac vs. Will per se, frankly I wouldn’t blindly trust either one of them. It’s more that I thought we’d have a smooth transition from a builder to an optimizer, which seemed ideal to me at the time, and morning the loss of that transition was necessary. I’m not looking forward to a rebuilding prolect. With the right coordinators maybe that won’t be as gradual a process as I imagine, but as you pointed out, that can be a crapshoot.
I typed this on my phone, please parson what I’m sure are numerous errors.
by Doperbo on Dec 12, 2010 11:56 PM CST reply actions
I am in the Muschamp camp. If it is true that Mack was going to retire after this year but did not because of 5-7 that is more about him than what is good for the program.
You are right that it is the “edge” and accountablility that I liked about Muschamp. The whole “good guy” act from Mack is wearing thin with me.
by big money texas on Dec 12, 2010 11:59 PM CST reply actions
Good commentary Scip. You brought up the two points I am concerned about:
1) hire within the comfort zone when it is time to think outside the box
2) The S&C and WR not being solved as expected. Although I think WR will come through
Point #1 is at this time more important than #2, IMHO.
by DonGato on Dec 13, 2010 12:20 AM CST reply actions
Whether our cup is empty and about to be filled, or empty and about to be half-filled will be told in the next few days.
Bold moves made quickly will indicate a new resolution on Mack’s part and a full cup.
Hesitant moves dragged out over weeks means more of the same half measures which have characterized Brown’s tenure thus far.
Night and day.
by LurkerintheDark on Dec 13, 2010 1:10 AM CST reply actions
Another disappointing stupid post on this site. Sorry guys, but when you took down the earlier Good/Bad/Ugly post about this topic because you were being exposed with historical facts as the same irrational and overly emotional wingnuts that run and populate orangebloods you lost a ton of “style points”.
Still waiting for an answer of my question of “if Mack was leaving at the end of 2009 or 2010, then why in the hell was his contract extension negotiated just a year ago.” Answer that question! It is real simple.
by Willow01 on Dec 13, 2010 1:21 AM CST reply actions
I’m a bit of a pessimist…I think we’re screwed for a while.
We have no track record of what kind of OC we’re getting since Mack has never had another OC other than GDGD. And the DC hires have been a crapshoot as you point out Scipio. I cannot blindly trust a man that kept GDGD though. That stings the most.
I wonder if Mack would entertain retiring right now. He’s basically starting over and at his age I’m not sure he has the energy or any skin left.
Just my opinion of course.
by Rodman on Dec 13, 2010 1:24 AM CST reply actions
sounds like the truth is somewhere in between
by Michio Kaku on Dec 13, 2010 1:29 AM CST reply actions
I don’t see why your 2. isn’t getting more discussion – instead of simply being brushed off as “there was nothing we could do.”
Not taking those precautions was extremely negligent of Mack, and it’s created a very large risk of this program taking a huge downturn over the next decade. It would be one thing if HCIW was merely titular, and had no real significance on how the program was run, but that obviously wasn’t the case. Shit, Muschamp was supposed to at a high school game this past Friday scouting.
I think Muschamp will be a dynamite head coach for an assortment of reasons, lets hope that we aren’t pining for him in 2013 as we wallow in mediocrity. The criticality of the hires Mack will be making this offseason simply can’t be overstated.
by Mad Clapper on Dec 13, 2010 1:41 AM CST reply actions
Devastation does not accurately describe me. There is a numbness coupled with anxiety, mixed with that a feeling similar to what I’d imagine is the same feeling you get when you realize your fiance is sleeping with your dad.
5-7 didn’t bother me, it motivated me. Muschamp leaving has crushed me.
The “trust in Mack” camp sees us as losing a replaceable DC. Fine that’s accurate after a 4 loss season with poor defensive stats and a great offense.
The “Pine for Muschamp” camp sees it the same as losing our Head Coach.
Losing a HCIW, not a DC, is bigger and much more complex loss. It was part of the structure of the future. WM represented an anchor for this.
What he was doing with recruiting can’t be diminished. It’s huge. Will sold a brand different than Mack’s….and the High School coaches were buying.
Scipio, I said once that we needed to keep the dresser and clean out some drawers, Someone just took a hatchet to the whole freaking thing.
by Saltshaker on Dec 13, 2010 2:16 AM CST reply actions
I think it’s completely acceptable to belong to both camps. I don’t begrudge Muschamp for taking the Florida job. As you said, one was a guarantee, the other was “supposed to” happen at some unknown point in time.
But the timing was terrible, and Texas had invested a great deal in him. He doesn’t get the Florida job without receiving that HCIW designation, IMO. We’ll never know whether Mack really did promise Muschamp the keys starting in 2011, but I have a hard time believing he repeatedly lied to the press that there was no timetable.
Clearly, change needed to happen. I hate that it took a 5-7 season to jettison GD and MacWhorter, and potentially ruining a 5-star QB in the process. But Mack has built worse programs from lower points before. And Randy Shannon, or whoever, can learn a lot from Mack on how to handle a program with millions of fans, ridiculous expectations, and impossible constraints. Mack hasn’t quit on us.
by czarcw on Dec 13, 2010 3:11 AM CST reply actions
Mack names the right DC, the right OC (remember Greg Davis is GONE), and keeps 2011 recruits, then this all goes away.
by tropheus on Dec 13, 2010 7:44 AM CST reply actions
“solid and underrated: Robinson”
Are you serious? Did you see his tenure as Syracuse head coach? How about this recent season as defensive coordinator in Ann Arbor? His defenses are porous and require the offense to bail them out.
I agree that Robinson remains underrated in the category of “terrible defensive coordinators who keep getting jobs.”
by texpat76 on Dec 13, 2010 7:45 AM CST reply actions
Romeo and JC here, Lear in Dagga’s transcript: nothing like winter discontent to increase tragedy’s appeal.
Nice post, Scipio.
by parlin on Dec 13, 2010 7:46 AM CST reply actions
Good points as usual.
Taking the Florida job was a no-brainer for Will. Top 3 job for an SEC guy that is now and not some indeterminate time down the line. The only way we keep Will was for Mack to step down nad hand him the reins. That wasn’t happening after 5-7. Bad luck and terrible timing for us.
My trust in Mack has taken a hit because of his needing 5-7 to make long-needed changes. His being a builder rather than optimizer gives some hope as he has done it before. However, this seems much more complex than his earlier rebuilding jobs. Many of the problems are of his own making and he is much older.
Scary, fascinating times.
by hopefulhorn on Dec 13, 2010 7:57 AM CST reply actions
Mostly agree with what you wrote but wish you hadn’t written that the “defense . . . carried us to the national title game in 2009” when it is so clearly not true. Our special teams and the nation’s 4th best scoring offense did their share of the heavy lifting last year, too.
This year’s defense did finish the year in the top ten in total yards allowed but it was not one of the nation’s top ten defenses. To be fair, it wasn’t the 51st best defense, either, even though it finished 51st in the nation in the defensive category Will Muschamp considers to be the most important. Although the defense was better than 51st best in the nation, it was in truth probably closer to being that than it was to being 7th best.
The legend of Will Muschamp needs no embellishing among the Longhorn faithful.
Muschamp is an excellent DC and this year’s defense was a disappointment. Those are not contrary claims.
[And before anyone else brings it up, yes, yes, I know that the offense and special teams were MORE disappointing, even MUCH MORE disappointing, than the defense was. I also know that that’s a total non sequitur to the point I’m making.]
Hate that Muschamp won’t be on the Texas sideline next season but Texas will find a way to carry on without him just like it carried on without him in those other 114 (mostly very successful) seasons when he wasn’t on our sideline. We’ll be fine.
by jpsantini on Dec 13, 2010 8:15 AM CST reply actions
With all respect to anyone who argues that the D let us down almost as much as the O/ST: if the team gave up points at the same exact rate as 2009 while scoring points at the 2010 level, our record is identical at 5-7. Conversely, if the scored-against effort was at this year’s level while the scoring was like last year’s, we would have had a 9-3 record. Had both been at 2009 levels, we would have seen 11-1 for the regular season. Please note that this is a simplistic analysis, taking only overall scoring by us and our opponents and not which group scored or was scored upon. What it does say, however, is that our program’s deficiency was one of scoring and not one of being scored upon. If you are of the opinion that the D was bad because it didn’t score enough, I don’t know what else to do except to just say “Yeah, maybe you’re right” and walk away without looking back.
by Tex Long on Dec 13, 2010 8:41 AM CST reply actions
I pine for Muschamp. He was my hope for the future.
For some reason, I’m still caught up trying to understand the HCIW thingamajig. I’ve been feeling misled so I guess it’s important for me to try to understand what actually transpired.
Maybe I just want some degree of closure to put the matter to rest once and for all.
I am aware of only a few facts. In 2007, Mack was given a contract extension through the 2016 season. In 2008, the HCIW deal was announced. In 2009, Mack was given a $2 million dollar raise but his contract was not extended. The buyout clause in his contract was also changed, but I don’t know how it was changed.
I find it interesting that UT announced at the same time both Mack’s big raise and Muschamp’s signing of the HCIW agreement. So, there was something in writing that Muschamp actually signed, and the signing came one year after the deal was announced to the public.
One reading of these facts is that Mack’s big raise was an added incentive for him to stay on through 2016. If the buyout was increased, then UT was given an incentive to retain him as well. The agreement that Muschamp signed was probably written to protect UT more than anything else. In this scenario, Muschamp would be rather naive to expect Mack to retire after the 2010 season. This challenges stories out there claiming that Will expected to take over at the end of this season.
An alternative interpretation hinges on a reduction to the buyout. In this scenario, it would be less expensive for the university to nudge out Mack and replace him with Muschamp. Perhaps, Mack’s raise was negotiated in tandem with a reduction in the buyout. The truth is that I have no idea.
My present thinking is that the HCIW deal was a way to encourage Muschamp to stay at UT longer than Robinson and Chizik did. His million dollar salary would be sufficient to keep him here if less endowed programs (Syracuse and Iowa State??) came knocking. A major program, which could pay him substantially more, would not be interested until he had acquired more experience. UT was never serious about him taking over within five years unless Mack suddenly didn’t want to be head coach anymore.
Anyway, I hope that more knowledgeable BC posters out there can help me understand what happened.
by jmanh on Dec 13, 2010 8:51 AM CST reply actions
Texoz ~ “Disagree. As it relates to recruiting In Florida you have FSU on the rise again, Miami hiring a new coach, and the other Florida schools (Southern Florida, Central Florida, etc) who are starting to make noise.”
Oh good gosh! Let’s all pretend that (9-3)Aggie, (10-2)Missouri and (10-2)Oklahoma State aren’t on the rise . Let’s pretend they aren’t doing a superior job turning 3-star recruits into starters capable of pushing our 4/5-stars all over the field. Then there is an OU program losing only six starters next season, with the pump primed for their 8th Conference Championship and a solid run at a Nat’l Championship. You can factor in a TT team with a real HC in Tuberville if they are capable of retaining him. Then there is our little in-state neighbor in Ft.Worth with a record of (12-0) and a #3 national ranking.
by BevosBoss on Dec 13, 2010 8:59 AM CST reply actions
texpat:
What Robinson did at Syracuse, at Michigan and in the NFL couldn’t be less relevant to the discussion.
When Robinson was here, Texas’ defense were pretty solid. Especially in comparison to those Texas defenses coached by Reese and MacDuff/Akina. If you want to disagree, use evidence that is somehow related to that claim (i.e. stats or anecdotes from his time here, not at another school).
by RedmondLonghorn on Dec 13, 2010 9:04 AM CST reply actions
Our special teams and the nation’s 4th best scoring offense did their share of the heavy lifting last year, too.
Anyone paying attention to the 2009 offense knows that defense and special teams contributed significantly to this ranking through 1) among FBS leaders in turnover margin, thereby creating more scoring opportunities for the offense, and 2) scoring on their own, which inflates the scoring offense numbers. This has been discussed ad nauseum on this site.
Texas’ offense took an obvious hit in 2009 relative to 2008, as the loss of Cosby reduced the number of consistently reliable receiving targets to one (Shipley), and the team still could not effectively run the ball except through McCoy’s scrambles or improvisations from broken pass plays.
Perhaps the anguish over Muschamps’ departure is more than justified; however, don’t minimize his impact over the last three years on defensive performance, recruiting and challenges to the vitrified cultural environment on Brown’s staff.
by Levander Williams on Dec 13, 2010 9:22 AM CST reply actions
2009 Wills defense carried us to the national title game. They were bailed out exactly one time (A&M) while they bailed the offense out numberous times. In additon to that we were a point scoring machine with non-offensive touchdowns, to say nothing of the short fields that we gave the offense consistently. Also, games like Wyoming would have been shut outs had the offense and special teams not turned the ball over inside the redzone.
I’m devastated by this turn of events. I’m only slightly less devastated by the idiocy I’ve seen flock to these boards in the last couple weeks (this and Jesus site).
This was always by far the best commentary for longhorns on the web (and I’d argue the best sports commentary I’ve read anywhere and anytime) period. I’ve never posted much because I never felt like I had much to add- what goes on here is over my head in a lot of ways and I like watching and learning. This is even as I’d consider myself a thinking sports fan in general- but most of you guys are on another level of game watching and analysis that I’m not at. I’d like to thinkn I’m smart enough to know that I’m in over my head.
Now, the bottom quartile of our fan base is waving their ass all over the place, calling out really smart, funny and balanced posters and in general acting like their ignorant selves. I hope you guys bring down the hammer of Thor on the cockroaches that have been brought to these boards by the implosion and dumpster fire that 2010 has been, on all levels, for the University of Texas.
2011 cannot get here fast enough.
by Wulaw Horn on Dec 13, 2010 9:32 AM CST reply actions
As always Scipio, well said. While bookies (and even some smart people) might argue that the arithmetic average of all opinions approximate truth (Sir Francis Galton), the caveat to this assumption is that in order for this to operate properly, the opinions sampled must be thoughtful (and perhaps motivated by a chance of windfall gains…that certainly doesnt hurt). Arguably, this is something that most surfers on the interwebs lack the neurologic fire power to muster. That said, as I think more about what it takes to run modern top notch college football program, it appears that a young, angry, analytic, highly-motivated HC with other-worldly football IQ greatly increases your probability of success… duh…. The role of wise old football sage and walking tome of motivational quotes and football one-liners might be best assumed by someone else on the staff… I love Mack, but I also loved Hall & Oats…
by Sound of one hand clapping on Dec 13, 2010 9:36 AM CST reply actions
The key point is that if we wanted to keep Will we could have. It doesn’t matter whether Florida is 1 or 1a. Will was the new face of the program, his kids were in Austin schools , soon the defense was going to be nothing but his recruits. Why would be walk way from that?
1. Mack’s vanity play of never giving Will a timeline
2. Second thoughts from UT whether WiIl was the guy
3. WiIl saw things he didn’t like and did want to stay around to inherit them
by save us from mackdavis on Dec 13, 2010 9:41 AM CST reply actions
Meh. Muschamp is gone and never called me mother.
In the meantime, I suspect that Mack’s big job is not to rebuild Texas but to set it on a path secure enough for him to retire. What happens after that will not be his problem.
by spider on Dec 13, 2010 10:57 AM CST reply actions
The one major recurring thought I’ve had over the past several months is, “What could the past 10 years of Texas football have been like if we’d had a Nick Saban or an Urban Meyer?” Or, at the risk of blaspheming, a Bob Stoops . . .
Yes, we all know Mack’s contributions: he restored Texas to the national CFB picture, he brought unity to the alumni base, and he’s done an amazing job recruiting.
I would argue that those three things would have been secondary effects of any great coach coming in and simply winning at Texas. The fact that those are Mack’s main accomplishments doesn’t really mean much.
Yes, he has two Big 12 titles and 1 NC, but it seems pretty clear that Mack’s winning has more to do with his recruiting skills and talent pool (Texas: the best in the nation) than his coaching acumen.
To go back to my original point: is Mack really everything we think he is? Could it be that you give another (more talented) coach the talent, the money, and the fan base that Texas enjoys, and suddenly you have 5 Big XII Championships, 3 National Championships, etc.?
I think the best option is to give Mack time to fix what he’s screwed up. Let him get some hires that will get UT moving for the future, have one last winning season, and then step down. Texas shouldn’t have to settle for a mediocre coach / excellent politician for HC. Give us a guy that will be a coaching legend in 30 years.
by Longhorn83 on Dec 13, 2010 11:15 AM CST reply actions
A couple of nice points you raised:
—May lessen the likelihood of a change at S&C, unless Mack is going all-in for a reboot.
-Any team, whether on the field or in the boardroom, needs “disturbers” to shake the status quo and laziness that can infect a successful team - to counteract the inclination that “we’ve been successful doing what we’ve been doing, so there is no reason to question or change.”
Although I got hyped a few days ago and ranted at the Barkers about Muschamp’s departure, Mack ought to move sooner rather than later and find that ideal mix of coaching talent (no sense holding out on S&C, too) that brings a level of hunger and willingness to challenge the status quo. Will he do it? Time will tell. It ought to be an interesting few weeks…if it isn’t, that doesn’t bode well for 2011.
by Voice of Reason on Dec 13, 2010 11:18 AM CST reply actions
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results.
If we keep Mack, ultimately we will get the same basic results we’ve seen since ’98.
-great recruiting
-mediocre X’s and O’s
-above average performance based on the arcane formula:
( 1 x (Vince Young/Colt McCoy) ) x ($ + tradition/status + facilities) x (mediocre coaching) – bad luck = above average success
by texasphilosopher on Dec 13, 2010 11:31 AM CST reply actions
I am more in a ‘Mack, its time to go’ group rather than the ‘Pine for Muschamp’ group. I would have preferred Muschamp largely for continuity sake. That said, I might be pining for Muschamp when we hire Mack’s replacement some day.
I don’t want to go back to 98-2004/2006-2008. I don’t want to go back to the situation prior to Mack either, but I have to think the brand is much better these days and someone else can optimize the situation. I think Mack will get us back to bowl games and this year is the anomaly, but he will continue to earn his ‘Mr. February’ moniker while Stoops collects the Big 12-2 conference trophies.
by Ricky on Dec 13, 2010 1:51 PM CST reply actions
Mack has never had another OC other than GDGD
Not completely… When Mack left Tulane for UNC, Greg stayed behind to run Tulane into the ground for four years. Then he was about .500 (I seem to recall 21-22 or vice-versa) as OC for first Arkysaw and then Jawja, so Mack was forced to do without him for eight years, then picked him up for a coujple of years before heading to Austin. Story is it was a tossup between bringing Greg as OC and bringing Torbush as DC. Who won is a matter of debate.
by Tex Long on Dec 13, 2010 3:32 PM CST reply actions
I agree with the general tenor of the artiicle but Mack has done a lot better than “a crapshoot” in his hiring decisions. Chizik fielded a national championship caliber defense… like it or not they had to win that game as much as Vince did. And he’s playing for one as a head coach. Robinson, though I thought he sucks, continues to be employed at prestigous institutions. He rolled the loyalty dice with Akina in a year when the other options weren’t apparently that great (why sign a five year contract for s guy you’re not sure of?). WM has also fielded an NC caliber D.
Mack is the type who likes to hire solid program guys with track records. He’s had exactly zero Lane Kiffins/Ed Orgerons/Mike Leachs in here embarrassing the program. Clearly one of his top criteria. He’s done very well. Yes, loyal to a fault. But that helps in other ways – absolutely zero players I can think of speak poorly of the program. Not true just about anywhere else.
by Sugarpants on Dec 14, 2010 12:34 AM CST reply actions
Mack will accumulate enough of a talent imbalance and hire good enough assistants to scrape 10 wins together again soon and reach the goals which he and his sheep are accustomed. In spite of this past season’s anomalous performances the the talent of our Big 12 competition is not going to get tougher on average in the future. Who knows maybe OU will lose their stars to injury again and we can grab another Big Twelve championship!
by paleohorn on Dec 14, 2010 2:37 PM CST reply actions
Sugarpants -
3 of his coordinator hires were failures, though it took Reese his last 2-3 years to cement it. 3 were above average to very good.
Maybe you play craps differently than I do.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 14, 2010 4:37 PM CST reply actions
Full on pine for Muschamp here. The guy is going to be a star. I imagine this is what Scarlett Johansson’s first serious boyfriend feels like. The one she only let get to first. Uhg.
by lowery on Dec 14, 2010 11:18 PM CST reply actions

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