Offensive Line Coach Posting

Bostad has no NFL experience.

Well, shit fire.

I read over on BON that the OL guy at Stanford has the same amount of D1A experience (>5 years) as Shaw…I guess they signed on at the same time.

However the OL guy at UCLA meets the requirements.

I don’t think the NFL thing is an issue with either the OL or DL as they are in the “preferred” experience list and not the “required” experience list. Just a guess.

The NFL reference was in the ‘prefered’ category, not the required, which significantly clouds the analysis and allows UT to consider pretty much anyone they want. With only five years of experience, they’ve made it more difficult for us FanTake yo-yos to narrow down the field.

I ask – why does UT feel compelled to put anything specific in these PDs? It’s not as if the required qualification of “Successful experience as an assistant football coach at an elite level” isn’t a completely subjective metric. I know that it’s a state institution and there are ‘rules, protocols and ways of doing things’, but let’s be realistic – UT will hire whomever they want to hire.

TXStampede -
 
I think this is a good example of how observing someone that knows they’re being observed changes the nature of observation.
 
Bellmont is writing these job descriptions differently now. From very specific to more general. I don’t think it’s coincidence and I don’t think it’s just the nature of coordinator vs position coach.

Scipio – I see those aspects as well.

I’m cautiously optimistic…and hopefully not just reading our own wishlist into the reqs.

I hope you are right about these not being specific any more. I was really seeing Chow and his band of guys from UCLA coming over…I guess its still in the cards…but I don’t want to go to sleep with that thought too firmly in my head.

I think this is a good example of how observing someone that knows they’re being observed changes the nature of observation.

Heisenberg thinks that’s true, but can’t be certain.

Chow just can’t happen. It can’t. That would be Mack Brown declaring open warfare on our program.

Brick beat me to that smartass comment.

Well played.

What about the guy that used to be at Miami and was considered the best OL in the country a few years back. Kehoe maybe? I know he was one of the sacrificial lambs when a head coach was trying to save his job.

Horncasting -
 
I’m not sure if the Sacramento Mountain Lions can spare him. He definitely had some elite OL at Miami, but it looks like his career arc has been Corey Feldman like.

This conjecture is all based on the assumption that the DC posting was specifically written for Austin. That the job requirements are designed around the preferred candidate, rather than the other way around. Even if we do hire Austin, it’s only a single data point.

Ah those elite Corey Feldman movies…

In contrasting the OC vs. OL coach essential functions, was it me or did anyone else find it interesting the OC “manages” the game plan and the OL coach “implements” the game plan? Who calls the plays?

but it looks like his career arc has been Corey Feldman like.

Jeff Jagodzinski’s career arc has been Michael Richards like.

czar -
 
Not so. This was first noticed with the Applewhite hire as RBs coach. His resume and the posting were pretty hilarious in congruence, but we only realized it in retrospect.
 
However, I have no doubt that these descriptions are now no longer that informative.

If Mack is sending out disinformation, and altering the job descriptions because the bevowebs caught on, then I’m starting to get worried.

Quantum indeterminacy, Schrödinger’s cat, Heisenberg… There’s a lot of heavy shit here, man.

If Mack is sending out disinformation, and altering the job descriptions because the bevowebs caught on, then I’m starting to get worried.

Mack is so focussed on appearances and other superficial considertions that such a scenario would not surprise me. It would concern and depress me, but not surprise.

Man, if he’s assigned to East Texas you do want some recruiting prowess. Maybe we get by with less recruiting ability and hope the relevant position coaches take up whatever slack there might be.

Scipio – clearly you haven’t seen the trailer for Stand By Me Pt. II. Hate to give away the ending but Phoenix Rivers plays The Body in this one.

Mack wouldn’t need to do anything. The Bellmont apparatus anticipates as much as it responds.
 
53 Veer -
 
Yup.
 
Horncasting -
 
Brutally funny.

Feel like Bellmont went from being a leaky sieve to a Soviet-style propaganda machine over night. and props to them for doing so in an effective fashion.

I there we’re at the point now where nobody knows what the eff we’re going to do.

compared to the previous coordinator job postings, this separates the NFL experience from “required” qualifications to “preferred” qualifications. seems to me that bostad is still in the hunt.

This is the single most important position coach hire we will make.

Absolutely agree.

“I think this is a good example of how observing someone that knows they’re being observed changes the nature of observation.”

-I immediately thought Quantum Mechanics. Come to think of it, trying to figure out what Mack has been thinking this year is kinda the same.

Anyway, I emotionally divorced myself for reasons of self preservation for the time being.

I’m getting sick of this cloak and dagger stuff.

Yeah, I don’t mind Bellmont doing what it does here. Good on them. It’s all fun and games and fun speculation. Our hires will be the hires and we (fans, blogs, whatever) have no effect on them unless they are of such egregiously bad quality that Mack creates open revolt. He won’t do that.

Can any of you think of a program of similar stature to Texas that has taken this long to announce new coaching hires?

If Mack spent as much time focusing on making the team better as he does on what information gets out of Bellmont and who says what, he would have shown GD the door years ago, had another NC or two, and not be happily retired as a legend and not going through this shit.

I wish Mack would just hire some goddamn coaches already. This is getting pretty ridiculous.

and not be happily retired as a legend and not going through this shit.

meant to say “and now be happily retired as a legend and not going through this shit.”

Not to play contrarian, but how exactly is a week of waiting killing us?
 
We’ve secured the recruiting class (Westerman is debatable) and there’s not much else to be done. I loved Dmitri’s post of how this perceived delay is impacting Mack’s perception, but I don’t see many material negatives.
 
I’m as impatient as anyone, but I don’t see anything program crippling going on.

At this stage, a Corey Feldman career arc is infinitely preferable to the Corey Haim one.

ah, and the thread dissolves into its expected bashing of mack. impeccable timing. now mack brown has apparently held texas back from winning multiple national championships because he’s too busy burying himself in belmont devising ways to hide information from the blogosphere. maybe this is more of that quantum approach, he’s both the reason for our successes and the reason for our failures at the same time.

electron wave particle shit blows your mind, man

I know we argued over Mack “taking calls” from interested candidates versus hitting the pavement over the last few days, but I think it’s worth noting that Foley found a guy he wanted, got his ass on a plane, made him a Corleone-esque offer, and went back to Gainesville with the man he wanted in 1 day.

This feels like a perfect parallel to how we recuit, how we practice, and how we play. Why does this program always appear so fat, lazy, entitled, and egotistical. Maybe instead of shouting “We’re Texas” from our throne in Austin we should fly into a bad-ass’ living room (coach or player) and go get the best guy out there.

“in 1 day”

Has Muschamp filled out his staff yet?

Don’t know, but they flew out and got him the same day. That’s all I was saying.

But we already have our head guy. If Florida were so much more on the ball than we are, wouldn’t it stand to reason that they’d have already gotten their coordinators and assistants in place?

Hey, I’m as frustrated with the process as others, but as a fan-base I think we’ve gone from being pretty legitimately irritated with Mack Brown into a really strange, hysterical territory of late…

I just think it’s a difference in attitude. Discussing our complancency in recruiting and laziness in talent evaluation is not a knee-jerk product of the last few weeks. I think that’s been a staple of the discussion for a long, long time.

With respect to filling HC v. OC/DC, we didn’t need a head guy, apply it to the hole we have and don’t get bogged down in the title. They primarily needed an HC. I believe that problem emerged on a Tuesday. They solved it that Saturday.

I see it similarly to CJD.
 
We’re pissed about a 5-7 season and our angst over the hires is forcing many of us into the conceit that anything less than an immediate hire is failure.
 
John Wooden said it best:
 
Be quick, but don’t hurry.

Scip -

While the delay in and of itself doesn’t seem likely to do much harm (Mack and the remaining staff deserve a ton of credit for keeping this recruiting class in hand under the circumstances and there’s plenty of time to sell ourselves to any waffling 2012’ers), for my money it’s generating concern because it’s created a vacuum which a lot of folks are prone to fill with their fears regarding some of Mack’s worst perceived qualities.

Think Mack’s too nice or too concerned with public image among the coaching fraternity? Talking about courtesy timelines to allow bowl games to finish will lend confirmation to that bias, especially when contrasted with swift and decisive action by other camps that has hit close to home.

Think Mack has somewhat checked out/doesn’t have a firm hand on the rudder/worse? Easy to think that someone on top of his game would have targets at every coaching position updated at all times, and if you know who you want what’s the delay?

Think Mack’s “what accountability?” persona, tendency to meddle and unclear retirement timeline created a toxic environment for hard chargers like Muschamp that may have spread through the coaching grapevine? Long delays make it easy to envision the blizzard of incoming resumes being leavened with some polite declines (long before reaching the interview stage) from truly elite OC’s who see this as a position with pitfalls.

Think Mack simply has no idea at this point what great offense looks like or how to tell who can or can’t design it? Perceived dithering conjures the image of someone who’s sorting through a mountain of resumes with no real system for optimizing his choices.

Personally I would neither wholeheartedly endorse nor dismiss out of hand any of those perceptions of Mack’s qualities. While I am hopeful of being wowed by a massive hiring coup (and humbled by the then-evident necessity of our festival of delay and misdirection) if and when it happens, I’ll admit to some jangly nerves at this point. Not because of what the delay could CAUSE, but rather because of what it might portend.

To be clear, my comment wasn’t rooted in frustration or overwhelming impatience. I was just curious more than anything about similar situations at other schools and what the usual time line is. As you stated Scip, the only reason for them to hurry would be the potential exodus of commits, but by all accounts, the 2011 kids are staying committed. That being the case, I’m content to ride the wave and see who we get. Besides, this is fun. My bidness is slow in December, so I welcome the time spent hitting F5.

heisenberg is certainly at play here, and in this case, its not so mucha camera that mack sees in his face that facilitates the Mack With Talking Points, but now the bevowebs, and JS to a slight lesser degree, that has turned him into Mack at EastBerlin Checkpoint…

“Send him… to the Coolah!”

“Quantum indeterminacy, Schrödinger’s cat, Heisenberg… There’s a lot of heavy shit here, man.”

QCB: Quantum Chromobelmontics

Congratulations. You made me look up Corey Feldman.
I have now learned something I did not know.

“Gee, Batman, is there ANYTHING you don’t know?”
“Yes, Robin. Several things, in fact.”

You fellas spell “quantum” okay, but you ain’t figgered out what it means.

In terms of “observation”, it means that anything that “connects” to something else (by getting or giving information, some of which induces changes and some of which does not) not only will always be connected to it but also always has been connected to it. The result of this is that them silly fuckers in the various “eastern” religions are correct: everything IS connected to everything else. Always has been, is now, and always will be.

Nothing is really certain, but many things are “close enough”.

“Can any of you think of a program of similar stature to Texas that has taken this long to announce new coaching hires?”

Uh how about Florida?

nobis60 with another awesome post. This guy is quality.

And for the record, I believe all of thosethings about Mack.

@Roach,

How so? What vacancies do they have? Unless I missed it, Muschamp had interviews with each of the coaches currently on staff a couple of days ago but no firings have been announced so technically, they have no vacancies. What are you referring to?

nobis60 -
 
Stick around here. We like the cut of your jib, sir.

Mack Brown needs to make an appearance in Arlington this weekend at the UIL Championships to show the high school players, coaches, and State that “We’re Texas”

For Mack Brown just to be seen in the stands would be very positive for everyone, including Barkers

I agree with Nobis. To me the whole program looks weak and the only person I can blame is Mack. He is paid 5 mill a year to make this program a well oiled machine. We have had nothing but negative images associated with the program since September.
I know that the Fla job is a good one and not to be passed up by Muschamp. However, the fact remains that our HCIW decided that HC at Texas was not worth waiting for. This decision, (no matter that it was a plum job), coming off of 5-7 and wholesale changes on the staff makes it appear that he may have been running from something just as much as he was running to a great opportunity.
I am hopeful that some good hires will be made here. However, I wonder what the staff would have looked like if Muschamp had stayed. My suspision is that Will would have put together a better staff from a position of strength than Mack will do from a postion of percieved weakness.
I also question the fact that Mack has been in Dick Cheney’s bunker since Will walked out. To me that also makes him look bad and weak. What harm would it have done to show up and take questions for 15 min., say that things are well in hand, state what kind of people he is looking for, and leave it at that?
I know some will think that none of this amounts to a hill of beans. But perception is 9/10 of reality. By taking control of the public discourse on the situtiation, Mack could have addressed the perception problems noted by Nobis.
And another thing…he really needs to get rid of that fat guy in a man bra who stands behind him on the sideline.

If you wait long enough, I’ll show up…maybe.

Foley’s guy didn’t have to worry about how a bowl game affected his timeline.

T1climb,
So you’re saying we’re further along in the process then Florida.

Nobis and big money – thought provoking takes. I truly believe that Sailor and Scipio have popped this carnival tent for us’ins to have discussions. So I come to you with that olive branch in mind while reviewing my response.

First, the concept of Mack “underground” does not jive with who we know him to be. He is the one who manipulates the media. I don’t think he is hiding but using the mystery to his advantage. If he is negotiating with parties unknown surely it is possible that coordinated leaks as trial balloons are a strategic advantage in this process. Mind you, what exactly does him patting our head and telling us “things are in motion”, “the environment is fluid”, “we are looking at several good candidates”, “Family is doing fine, Kirk, thanks for asking” actually accomplish? Satisfy a fanbase hungry for any sighting of the man or discussion topic? Is that a priority at this point?

Second, in regard to a “Top 10” coaching list which resides in the Bellmont vault, I’m sure there was an A-level ascension plan in place should, God forbid, some untoward event take Coach Brown from us. Well, that A-level plan just flew to Gainesville, FL. Was there a B and C plan? Would be naive of anyone to say there were not contingencies. But this is over-think talk. I propose the reality is something much more simple. These are state employee jobs. Given Cleve-gate, it makes since the school’s attorneys have counseled Mack et al regarding the limited liability procedures of risk-less recruiting practices. The Allred’s are already at the gate. I don’t think it anything more than that.

My honest take (is there any other kind?) is that Will leaving, after committing to HCIW, really took Coach Brown by surprise. Obvious statement for sure but surely he is still processing that situation emotionally. Especially given that he enacted Will’s move-forward strategy by removing the old-guard. These were very tough decisions. Am I wrong? So now that Mack has to rebuild virtually from the ground up, he is proceeding cautiously.

His first scene of act II proved successful by shoring up the base. And by base I mean the incoming recruiting class. As Paul pointed out above, he has done so masterfully. He is not going to make an important decision without significant vetting. He knows the second most important job is creating positive momentum coming on the heels of meltdown. He has one shot at getting this right and thus far is showing courage under fire by not giving in to the “me in the media” temptation.

I say give Coach Brown the length of rope needed to make the best decisions possible for the Nation. We will have an entire off-season to vet and fret once the decisions are handed down, and if necessary, tighten the noose.

In the mean time, it is a lot of fun joining in the speculative staffing discussion. I say more of this and less Brown bashing.

Postscript: Regarding Will leaving, mouths to feed, fellas, mouths.to.feed. Everyman wants to better their financial situation as quickly as possible. Follow the money. Don’t talk to me about the Vol job, either. That move did not fit into Will’s contingency plan. Time will tell whether FL and Will made the right decision, not an inter-dweeb poster like me.

Mind you, what exactly does him patting our head and telling us "things are in motion", "the environment is fluid", "we are looking at several good candidates", "Family is doing fine, Kirk, thanks for asking" actually accomplish? Satisfy a fanbase hungry for any sighting of the man or discussion topic? Is that a priority at this point?

I don’t think they were suggesting Mack hold a press conference. I think it’s more the idea that he seems to be spending more time and effort finding leaks, avoiding leaks, and misleading the blogosphere than actually hiring coaches. It seems even more so when it takes this long and not one single position is filled yet. In places everywhere like Bellmont there have always been leaks and there will always be leaks. Just quit worrying about what’s being rumored and just focus on the job at hand of hiring coaches.

My honest take (is there any other kind?) is that Will leaving, after committing to HCIW, really took Coach Brown by surprise. Obvious statement for sure but surely he is still processing that situation emotionally.

How could he possibly be surprised that someone with huge employment potential after already waiting 2 years as the official HCIW now finds out that he’s being put on hold indefinitely. It could be 1 more year or 5 more years who knows. Threre’s no doubt in my mind Mack gave Will some sort of timeline when they made him HCIW that was agreeable to both. The events of the last year caused Mack to change his mind and go back on what was agreed. Even if Mack offered a new timeline if I’m Will why would I believe this one?

His first scene of act II proved successful by shoring up the base. And by base I mean the incoming recruiting class.

I think the jury is still out on this. What I remember reading is that some of the top recruits still have a playoff game this weekend and won’t decide on a course of action until that’s over. If we still have no clarity on coaches early next week we may see some of those recruits start putting their free time over the holidays to use by looking elsewhere.

When you say Bellmont is watching us, do you mean they are looking back to see if we are looking back to see if they are looking at us?

I am not in the camp that wants Mack to rush to decisions, but it sounds like Westerman is visiting Auburn this weekend. I hope Mack isn’t sticking with his you-lose-your-offer-if-you-visit-elsewhere rule (the old ylyoiyve rule). If we lose him this puts another blemish on Mack’s sign-guys-who-want-to-be-here-by-Junior-Day-talent-be-damned rule (the well-known sgwwtbhbjdtbd rule). At least if we had Hegarty we might have had an insurance policy should one or the other have bailed…now it could be Taylor Doyle or bust.

Scip -

Thanks for the kind words – I do love this place. And since my Saturday evening post-Muschamp-and-company-Christmas-party drunken personal attacks finally got me banned on OBs I need a new internet home anyways.

After reading the latest Jesus post…Fuck Mack.

The low prices for tablets at us! patanol