Late Tatgate Update

Sounds like that Buckeye blog you refer to needs to re-brand . . . Make it Six Warriors.

That’s a good one. Those are good guys though.

When the NCAA hammered us (A&M) back in the 90’s between the reg season and the bowl our guys were not eligible to play in the bowl. We are not the marquee name of tOSU so I guess the rules are different now. They are saying they didn’t have a proper explanation of the rules so they’re cutting them some slack. I don’t see how this washes. These guys are informed of the rules every year. It would be like me punishing my son next Sept for fighting with his sister now.

I’ve heard of inking a deal, but this is ridiculous.

Kilgore,

I agree. There’s no reasoning to anything they do.

I still can’t see TP in the NFL.

The NCAA is baffling. So they’re suspended for selling things that they already own: rings, awards, etc.?

The NCAA has lost what tiny teeny weensy bit of credibility it had supposedly gained from “getting tough” with USC—albeit long after the fact. The glaring inconsistencies (favoritism?) in its punitive actions ought to be formally challenged.

USC and Ohio State should get their lawyers together and sue the NCAA into oblivion.

So if Pryor wanted to sell his car and got a grand extra because it’s his car does he have to report that?

He was selling his own shit. Can he sell old baseball cards on eBay or is that illegal?

It’s illegal to sell your own shit but according to the NCAA it’s just fine to sell your kid

I’m beginning to think the one place in the United States of America that actually needs a labor union is college athletics.

Technically, the NCAA is right. Athletes can’t get free meals or services (those not covered by their athletic schollies), unless every other student gets the same deal. Every other student couldn’t get that, bowl stuff, game equipment, etc., so . . .

Still, you’re right. It’s THEIR stuff. But I bet if TP sold his car for $1,000 over value and the buyer later said he wanted the car just because it had been TP’s, the NCAA police would say the extra grand was ill-gotten.

I said this on the other thread but how far are they going to take it? Every star player gets free drinks, free food, etc… Is it right? No, but it’s not really something they can stop either.

The issue to me is not whether or not they try to stop the cheating, but instead the blatant disregard to any shred of consistency in how the rules are enforced.

When SMU and TCU got hammered in the 80’s for boosters giving money and OU really got a relative wrist slap for having a program that gave us gang rape, players shooting each other, and the head coach telling his starting quarterback he was able to be nailed by the Feds for drug trafficing the stance was those weren’t technically NCAA rules violations.

This harkens back to when Miami was out of control for the second time, Sports Illustrated place an open letter to the president of the school to please shut down the football program and the NCAA chose not to use the Death Penalty despite the fact Luther Campbell was telling everyone who would listen he was giving money and was pissed his boy wasn’t the starting quarterback.

AG Green is the star receiver at a big school in a big conference and he gets suspended for the sale of a jersey, Julio Jones who is the star receiver at the defending champion gets suspended, but the starting quarterback at a title contender now is allowed to play because he didn’t know his Father was asking for money which is in direct violation of NCAA guidelines? Now we get this shit.

The answer is quite simple. Strip the NCAA, the bowls and the university athletic departments of their tax exempt status. If they want to act like for profit businesses great, but don’t do so under the guise of a tax-exempt organization.

Is all of this closer to indentured servitude or slavery? Or just a good ol’ fashion racket?

So Cam’s dad solicits $180,000 and Cam/team get no punishment

LSU’s RB did some one-time thing and he’s forced to miss his bowl game

Ohio St’s players sell their stuff for money/services/both and get suspended five games next year

Are the people at NCAA college graduates?

Is all of this closer to indentured servitude or slavery?

Wondered the same thing when Sailor showed me my BC contract.

Jesus. What lunacy. You know Dan Beebe started off as an NCAA gumshoe.

Note to athletes: have your dad sell your gear from now on.

It’s illegal to sell your own shit but according to the NCAA it’s just fine to sell your kid

Roach hits a home run. Well put.

Bingo! Savage Henry. If TP signs a jersey/shoes/helmet or give his mom a ring/award and his mom sells it shoudl be OK with the NCAA as long as Terrell “doesn’t know” and they can’t track an actual payment.

The NCAA is the clown car in a remote midwestern 1950’s single tent travelling circus.

Ace, you have a contract? I thought that was like the mythical tote bags and unicorns.

Also, the NCAA says they have to pay the money back but their not allowed to have jobs. How does that work?

The bowl game thing is weird, but I don’t get the outrage over the rest of it, and especially don’t get the whining over Cam Newton. They found improper benefits here. They didn’t find any in the Newton case. Different rules, different findings, differen outcomes.

Kilgore, if you don’t have a contract you need to talk to Sailor. Not to brag, but under mine I only have to pay half the usual participation fee for the first year. I’ll put in a good word for you.

It’s obvious this happened awhile back, before they knew about Newton’s Laws of Phys. Ed. Had they known, they could have signed plenty of items, sent them to dad. Dad palms them some money at the next home game (they have nooooo idea where from) and they go get their tats. Voila, plausible deniability.

Henry, why would you want to put anything in the hands of the IRS? They are as bad, if not worse, than the NCAA.

Forget this stuff and quit sweating parity. Pay college athletes a set stipend, non-taxable, for living expenses – and don’t be cheap about it. A certain amount if single, increased if married, increased if married with a child, etc. All payable by check. If the payment exceeds set amount, hammer everyone, including the school, the athlete on ‘contract’, and anyone else involved, including a parent.

A standardized contract would establish a contractual obligation between school and athlete and would put some teeth into the regulations. The NCAA is a joke without the power to gather critical information. It is time for those guys to find a job elsewhere.

Hook ’em!

90% of the problems of college athletics would be rectified by paying the players a stipend. Why do you think the bowls are so popular with the players? IT’S THE ONLY TIME THEY GET PAID! Those goodie bags the bowls give the “student athletes” are one of the few things kids legally get.

Neither the NCAA nor the schools want to open the Pandora’s Box of paying players a stipend. The lawsuits that would follow from athletes from the non-revenue sports scares the hell out of them. The words “workman’s compensation,” really scares the hell out of them.

I’m all for paying players. Call it a stipend or whatever you want but how would paying the players “walking around” money stop cheating? Pay them but it is not rational to think that would stop the big pay offs.

“They found improper benefits here. They didn’t find any in the Newton case.”

Head in sand

They found improper benefits, but not the kind that would suggest cheating. In other words, an ethics violation, not a real violation.

This to me smacks of passive aggressive behavior by the NCAA on letting Newton slide and having their loophole exposed.

Ethics violation? His dad sold him to Auburn for upwards of 200 grand? HE TOLD Miss St. there was too much money not to go to Auburn when he wanted to go to Starkville. If they weren’t undefeated he would have gotten the Dez Bryant treatment.

Saltshaker,

sorry, i read your post wrong the first time. my bad.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/14479220/feigned-ignorance-equals-bliss-full-bowl-roster-for-ohio-state

Everything becomes easier to take if we accept the following equivalencies:

The NCAA = a cabal at the local Kiwanis Club

The Bowl System = rogue Shriners

Bellmont = as THujone depicts

SavageHank pretty much owns this thread. There isn’t a college afolete alive that has paid for a tat. I even chided a player one time on the poor quality and his response was that the price was right.

Luckily for the NCAA the play on the field negates almost any and all of their shitty mismanagement.

Aww. Everyone is friends with everyone else now. Cute. Is BC leaving Longhorn sports commentary and trying to move into the EHarmony market?

The new site format is really fucking with my blackberry. Are there some settings I need to change? Not being able to get BC on the BB makes the life bad.

Hello, hello, hello… is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me. Is there anyone at home?

Where’d you fuckers go?

As an O-State fan, I have to bring up exhibit A, Dez Bryant suspended for a year for lying about a non-violation.

And these guys get 5 games….the next year.

But they didn’t know they did anything wrong!…