Texas-Arizona Quick Scout And Game Thread
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 1:32 PM CDT
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PrintSome quick Arizona thoughts that should help you get a feel for what they're about. I've watched them play two full games, so I'm practically an expert. This is also your game thread.
Wildcat Strengths
- Derrick Williams is the most efficient multifaceted scorer in college basketball in recent memory. 19.2 ppg on 61% shooting. 61% from the 3 point line. He's a stud who gets every point within the flow of the game and he will hit the boards (8.2 ppg). 6-8, 240 with a handle. He grew into his body late, so he has wing skills in a power forward's body. We haven't seen a player at 4 this gifted all year.
- Arizona is deep, with 10 players getting 9+ minutes per game. Williams is the only double digit scorer. They come at you in waves and ride the hot hand.
- Arizona is an outstanding 3 point shooting team (39%) and defends the arc (29%). If you want to understand how they can be 28-7 and Pac 10 Champions, it's Derrick Williams and their 3 point shooting offense/defense.
- Excellent from the free throw line - 75% as a team
Bad
- Average overall team defense allowing 44% from the field. Primarily man. Their defense in the paint can be particularly feeble, particularly given the Pac 10's paucity of elite big men.
- No shot blocking presence and they don't turn you over. They're counting on you to miss. They play one-on-one defense with little help from teammates. The extra pass will get you an open look.
- 11-7 record on the road/neutral. 17-0 at home. Several of their road losses were spectacular egg-layings.
Other
- Their coach looks like Jimmy Kimmel with a hangover.
- Their pace is identical to our own. They will run with you and they can play half court through DW.
- They have good size, but don't always play big.
- F Solomon Hill (6-6 225) is their best on-ball defender and stopper. Wildcat fans believe that he can erase Jordan Hamilton from the game with his physicality, length, and quick feet and he fits the profile of athletes who have traditionally given JH a headache.
There's your quick and dirty Zona primer.
Get it on.
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Williams has committed 4 or more fouls in 14 games this season. He fouled out in five games. Arizona struggles to protect him with their perimeter people and he’s the only player that can matchup with Thompson. As Scipio points out, there aren’t a lot of bigs worth a shit in the Pac 10 so we can probably shock them with our interior.
If we don’t look to pound the interior we’re galacticly stupid.
by Trips Right on Mar 20, 2011 1:51 PM CDT reply actions
They say they play inside out, but they can’t get the ball to Thompson in the right spot. He almost always moves a step or two. And the lack of spacing often leads to no room for either the feeder or Thompson to get off a shot.
by Bob in Houston on Mar 20, 2011 2:06 PM CDT reply actions
IMO, Texas’ ability to advance rests disproportionately on the defensive side of the ball. I think this team found it’s identity early in the season on defense. That success defensively evolved into more confidence on the offensive side.
Texas has multiple questions offensively. Will Hamilton fall in love with his jump shot at the expense of his dribble drive? Can we consistently get TT good looks down low and, if so, will TT hit his multiple free throw opportunities? Can CJ hit the open three when he has the chance? What version of J’Covan shows up? Will Johnson find his 12-15 foot shot that has deserted him?
So many questions on the ability of Texas to be consistent on offense that it’s hard to predict the outcome on that side of the ball. However, Texas has been a tough minded club defensively most of the year. If we can be that way today, and control the resulting defensive rebounds, I like the potential for that to carry through on offense.
Texas 72 Cats 68
by BaandwagonBusDriver on Mar 20, 2011 2:22 PM CDT reply actions
The directionality of the prison-rape is a pretty key point for clarification
by Canuck Horn on Mar 20, 2011 2:54 PM CDT reply actions
We’re gonna treat Zona like they treat their day laborers
by Wyatt on Mar 20, 2011 4:11 PM CDT reply actions
Pay them $12 a hour to do a drywall project?
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 4:32 PM CDT reply actions
Have our newscasters pronounce their names with rolling r’s?
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 4:59 PM CDT reply actions
Speak to them loudly in hopes of being understood?
by Wyatt on Mar 20, 2011 5:07 PM CDT reply actions
J’Covan with a 3-point GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!
by Texoz on Mar 20, 2011 5:09 PM CDT reply actions
Marv Albert wearing inappropriate amounts of rouge.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:10 PM CDT reply actions
They’re covering Doge like he has a jumper.
Nice scout job, Miller.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:12 PM CDT reply actions
Scip,
Inappropriate for a man, inappropriate for a woman, or inappropriate for a human? With Marv Albert, I think the distinction to be crucial.
by NateHeupel on Mar 20, 2011 5:13 PM CDT reply actions
Look how they’re covering Doge. They’re fools.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:14 PM CDT reply actions
My goodness we are scorching out of the gate
by Rusty Shackelford on Mar 20, 2011 5:14 PM CDT reply actions
Derrick Williams made a nice read on the pass for 3.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:15 PM CDT reply actions
Scip, he’s a 6 foot white guy from Europe. With only two days to scout, you must assume he has some sort of ability to shoot from 12-18 feet.
by NateHeupel on Mar 20, 2011 5:15 PM CDT reply actions
Who is the play by play guy? Awful.
Joseph’s arm was hacked.
by java on Mar 20, 2011 5:15 PM CDT reply actions
Gary is rising to challenge so far. Barnes got his attention with the DW cover.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:16 PM CDT reply actions
Nice job. TT. oops! Very freshman like play, I mean.
by java on Mar 20, 2011 5:16 PM CDT reply actions
Nate – I appreciate the inferential logic, but can they not watch 25 minutes of game tape? I’ll take it, btw. Please keep covering Doge. Please allow our best perimeter defender to stay on the court.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:18 PM CDT reply actions
Maybe it’s a solid scout—the ballboy could have a decent jumper.
by Little Burt on Mar 20, 2011 5:18 PM CDT reply actions
What are you talking about? Dogus hit a 15 footer last game. He’s a legit 3 point threat. They need to deny him the ball.
We’re playing sloppy. Masked by the fact we can’t miss right now…
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 5:19 PM CDT reply actions
Our offense was better with Doge in. Yes, I wrote that.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:21 PM CDT reply actions
At thye Disch, tied with KSU with two out in the top of the 13th. Livestreaming at TexasSports.com
by Frank the Plank on Mar 20, 2011 5:21 PM CDT reply actions
CoJo needs to sit and take a deep breath. He’s forcing.
by AKHorn on Mar 20, 2011 5:22 PM CDT reply actions
Augie hoping for a walk, a bunt, an error, and a wild pitch to win.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:23 PM CDT reply actions
Gary shoots a 10 footer…..too bad he was 12 feet out…
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 5:26 PM CDT reply actions
Cory Joseph is hurting us on O and D so far.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:26 PM CDT reply actions
Wangmeme needs to take up origami. Anything, to make his hands better.
by Texoz on Mar 20, 2011 5:27 PM CDT reply actions
I don’t understand the substitution patterns at G. Doge was giving us something.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:28 PM CDT reply actions
We are at our best with Doge in the game. Been that way for two seasons.
by Art Vandelay on Mar 20, 2011 5:29 PM CDT reply actions
Have a suspicion that Barnes has Bradley’d Joseph.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 5:29 PM CDT reply actions
And Barnes just realized that. Doge now in. The 7-0 run was no coincidence.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:29 PM CDT reply actions
Arizona is quicker than us on the perimeter….They’re doing a good job of keeping up ball pressure and making our guards uncomfortable….
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 5:29 PM CDT reply actions
Dumb shot by Jordan. Dumb foul by Tristan…..A little unfocused after a good start. We just need to settle in a bit….
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 5:33 PM CDT reply actions
I look forward to having a PG that will take it to the basket often and hard.
by Texoz on Mar 20, 2011 5:34 PM CDT reply actions
What an abortion of a backcourt right now…..Wake up, Rick.
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 5:34 PM CDT reply actions
And Jai goes out.
My mind apparently works 1 minute faster than Ricks
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:35 PM CDT reply actions
We want transition. We want a wide open game.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:36 PM CDT reply actions
Hamilton with a couple of dunks to get us started…..Two great defensive plays actually with a block and a steal….Hopefully we can get it cranked from the perimeter too….
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 5:37 PM CDT reply actions
Run and shoot looks ok to me. Our guys don’t have their hands on hips.
by java on Mar 20, 2011 5:37 PM CDT reply actions
Wow. What a weird sequence. AZ looks like they got their ass kicked. They’re sucking wind.
by Texoz on Mar 20, 2011 5:38 PM CDT reply actions
If we will move the pace, we win. If we pretend we’re Temple, we deserve the loss.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:38 PM CDT reply actions
I love how hamilton just seems to know where to go to grab that steal and dunk. He did that in the last game. Long arms, knows where to be, gets the ball.
by ut_bkc on Mar 20, 2011 5:38 PM CDT reply actions
Cojo needs to chill out. Lots of turnovers from him. Great Hamilton slams.
by Canuck Horn on Mar 20, 2011 5:40 PM CDT reply actions
JCB being an idiot almost lead to Tristan getting a charging foul…
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 5:43 PM CDT reply actions
C’mon, Gary. If you’re going to do something stupid offensively, don’t stop playing!!
by AKHorn on Mar 20, 2011 5:43 PM CDT reply actions
Killing us from three…..JCB is having a bad game…
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 5:45 PM CDT reply actions
They’re killing it from beyond the arc and we’re having trouble hitting anything
by Wyatt on Mar 20, 2011 5:46 PM CDT reply actions
Not sure what you can do when they drop 3’s…
by TexasTomek on Mar 20, 2011 5:47 PM CDT reply actions
by all means, keep throwing up 3’s.
the law of averages can be a real bitch.
by nerf herder on Mar 20, 2011 5:48 PM CDT reply actions
Good God, our coach is such a fucking worthless joke.
by JMR on Mar 20, 2011 5:48 PM CDT reply actions
Williams is out. We need to realize there is no reason to double the post now and give up open looks from 3. We need a push to end the half….
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 5:48 PM CDT reply actions
Arizona is 4th in the country in 3pt %. We’re 2nd in the country in defense 3pt %.
Biggest concern other than T-Will was Zona catching fire from three. It’s the only way they can beat us and it’s working.
by UT_64 on Mar 20, 2011 5:49 PM CDT reply actions
Cory, Gary, J’Covan need to settle down. Balbay, Hamilton, and Thompson and are playing well. Cory and J’Covan need to clean it up. Not hopeful irt Johnson. ugh!
by java on Mar 20, 2011 5:49 PM CDT reply actions
J’Covan doesn’t close out for a three. Then he turns it over (again) and doesn’t close out again.
by Art Vandelay on Mar 20, 2011 5:49 PM CDT reply actions
One possible thing to do is not play at the worst possible pace for our offense.
How did Arizona respond for the two minutes when we pressured the ball?
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:50 PM CDT reply actions
why did thompson try to switch to his right there? Our shots in the post aren’t great.
by ultralight on Mar 20, 2011 5:50 PM CDT reply actions
Arizona’s 3 point shooting has nothing to do with the fact that we have 9 turnovers and are shooting 39% from the field.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:51 PM CDT reply actions
JMR, go away. You are simply too astute for us.
g’bye now.
by java on Mar 20, 2011 5:51 PM CDT reply actions
GJ with a lay up that looks like my fast break. I look forward to the day when can put 5 scoring threats on the court at the same time.
by Jinx on Mar 20, 2011 5:52 PM CDT reply actions
Kirk Bohls is retarded. JCB is our key? Selfish fucking player. Rick is on the verge of wasting another year and more talented freshman.
by Savage Henry on Mar 20, 2011 5:53 PM CDT reply actions
Solomon Grundy, uhm, I mean Hill is eating up Jordan Hamilion on the offensive end….
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 5:54 PM CDT reply actions
10 turnovers against a team that doesn’t force turnovers. Simple double teams have us completely discombobulated.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:55 PM CDT reply actions
“We’re going to get butt raped by Arizona. Once in the first half and twice in the 2nd…”
Hope I’m wrong about the 2nd half.
by TexasTomek on Mar 20, 2011 5:56 PM CDT reply actions
Amazing what a team that coaches offense looks like.
by Jinx on Mar 20, 2011 5:56 PM CDT reply actions
Hill completely ignored by Arizona D. Might as well play 4 on 5.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:57 PM CDT reply actions
Tristan going up vs. their Viking is giving me Aldridge vs. Big Baby flash backs….
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 5:57 PM CDT reply actions
And now we jack up repeated dumbshit, panic shots.
Barnes – you’re living up to every criticism leveled against you.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:58 PM CDT reply actions
They have 18 points from 3, we have 0…..
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 5:58 PM CDT reply actions
Really Barnes? I mean really? So unprepared and undisciplined… Do they even know they are in the tournament?
by TShakCFP on Mar 20, 2011 5:59 PM CDT reply actions
I wasn’t going to drink tonight. I’ve changed my mind.
by Art Vandelay on Mar 20, 2011 5:59 PM CDT reply actions
Matt Hill tripping on the free throw line to conclude the half.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 5:59 PM CDT reply actions
Gary Johnson is playing like a lost, droopy-eyed, armless school child right now
by EPLonghorn on Mar 20, 2011 6:00 PM CDT reply actions
Don’t worry guys, we just need Barnes to rally the troops and to cook up something good for the second half. Would be foolish to doubt our fearless leader.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 6:00 PM CDT reply actions
We are not playing well for sure, but the 18 to 0 3 point difference is significant
by jeez on Mar 20, 2011 6:00 PM CDT reply actions
missed the 2nd foul java. Went to get a bottle of wine.
by Art Vandelay on Mar 20, 2011 6:01 PM CDT reply actions
Tristan has FOUR attempts. Should have close to ten. Rickdickculous
by Texoz on Mar 20, 2011 6:01 PM CDT reply actions
the guards mailed it in today. and barnes mailed it in. this team has to get something cory joseph.
by elmer f. on Mar 20, 2011 6:04 PM CDT reply actions
this team is forcing stuff and aren’t playing together. They’re lucky to be down 11 at half.
by kemit on Mar 20, 2011 6:05 PM CDT reply actions
Gary played some excellent defense on one of the best players in the country, Derrick Williams. He also outscored DW 8 to 3 and out rebounded him 3 to 1. DW is 0 for 6 from the field and Gary is 3 of 5.
by Kafka on Mar 20, 2011 6:05 PM CDT reply actions
The 2nd half could get much worse. Arizona’s 2 leading scoreres are 0 fer. There has been a common thread in some games this year where Texas holds the opponents top scorer down for the 1st half and then get really hot in the 2nd. Kemba Walker, Lace Dunn, OU’s Hamilton, Jacob Pullen. Derrick Williams???
Seriously. Doesn’t it look like Texas has one of the most offensive skill deficient teams in the tournament? Our lineup on the floor usually includes at least 1 player who can’t score from anywhere on the floor and sometimes up to 3. What in the hell does the coaching staff look at during recruiting or what do they practice? I know I’m venting because we’re down 11 at half, but still there’s some truth there.
by Monahorns on Mar 20, 2011 6:05 PM CDT reply actions
Old Rick really inspires confidence in the troops, doesn’t he? (Quick cut to Coach K for added emphasis.)
by AKHorn on Mar 20, 2011 6:05 PM CDT reply actions
Hopefully Rick has them running defensive drills and wind sprints at the half. If we can hold them under 15 points next half we have a chance.
by jinx on Mar 20, 2011 6:06 PM CDT reply actions
If this is what you are going to get from barnes, nice recruiting with an embarassing blowout loss early in the tournament, why not fire him and roll the dice on someone younger?
by Holden on Mar 20, 2011 6:06 PM CDT reply actions
I can’t believe they actually tried to run a pick-and-roll involving Balbay and Hill. There’s probably not a worse P/R combination in college basketball.
by tjarks on Mar 20, 2011 6:06 PM CDT reply actions
This is the worst I’ve seen any team play so far in the tournament. Sad.
by CZW on Mar 20, 2011 6:06 PM CDT reply actions
Humorous to look through the open thread for the AZ vs Memphis game.
Where are all of those posters who were saying that AZ looked like shit, they were a great matchup for us, and you were more worried about Oakland?
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 6:07 PM CDT reply actions
You guys say we need to increase the tempo, but it’s disorganizing our half-court defense (one of our biggest strengths), leading to open Arizona killer threes.
by UT_64 on Mar 20, 2011 6:07 PM CDT reply actions
The good news is, we’re beating ourselves. Settle down and get our shit together and there’s nothing I’ve seen from Arizona that we can’t beat.
by Dagga Roosta on Mar 20, 2011 6:08 PM CDT reply actions
Thompson has no idea where the double team is coming from and 0 assists. But that’s coaching. Totally busting up whatever offensive flow exists.
by ultralight on Mar 20, 2011 6:08 PM CDT reply actions
“Tristan has FOUR attempts. Should have close to ten. Rickdickculous”
He’d have 5 turnovers on the way to taking 10 shots.
by UT_64 on Mar 20, 2011 6:09 PM CDT reply actions
I hear this song when I see Matt Hill with the ball between the top of the key and the FT line. Also hear it when Dogus drives to the basket like he’s going to pull up for a jump shot. (snicker snicker)
by Texoz on Mar 20, 2011 6:11 PM CDT reply actions
It appears coaching is a weakness for Barnes..
by TShakCFP on Mar 20, 2011 6:11 PM CDT reply actions
Thompson won’t be able to get many assists even while doubled/tripled given how absolutely shitty our spacing is. A huge element of the Utah Jazz offense is movement without the ball. Where is it?
by UT_64 on Mar 20, 2011 6:12 PM CDT reply actions
I’ll admit that I did not see Tennessee. Was it that bad?
by CZW on Mar 20, 2011 6:13 PM CDT reply actions
They’re doing what they should to a freshman interior player. Sagging, aggressively doubling when he puts it on the floor and making TT beat them by finding the open man. Thus far, he’s failing to do this. With our spacing issues, we’re also making it easier for them.
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 6:13 PM CDT reply actions
Move Tristan higher up on the post. It will be much easier for him to get the ball and much easier for him to pass out of the double team. It will also open up the middle for driving by Brown, Jordan, and Balbay. It will be much tougher for the huge viking to guard Tristan in space because Tristan is faster. Tristan has to pass out of the double team.
Sometimes move Tristan outside and move Jordan to the high post. Set back picks so Tristan can dive to the bucket. Get the ball to Jordan on the high post and let him operate. Zona will be forced to double him and Jordan will make a good pass. Taking Jordan out right after his two dunks was really tone deaf to the game’s momentum. Get the ball in Jordan’s hand.
Stop setting picks outside for the dribbler because our guards have zero ability to deal with the hedge.
Don’t play Lucas.
by Kafka on Mar 20, 2011 6:14 PM CDT reply actions
UT_64:
It left about a month ago and has never returned. But at least our defense got worse at the same time.
by jinx on Mar 20, 2011 6:16 PM CDT reply actions
I’m not sure there’s enough time during the half to teach that offense, Kafka.
by AKHorn on Mar 20, 2011 6:16 PM CDT reply actions
I often love it when Barnes takes out the key person in one of our runs, aka, when he removed Hamilton after a timeout midway through the half when we cut it to 3. Motherfuuuuuu
by BounceBarnes on Mar 20, 2011 6:18 PM CDT reply actions
agree with Kafka. The top of key picks are useless since our dribblers don’t penetrate. We don’t make the extra pass, we don’t cut crisply, we don’t set hard screens. We don’t do half court offense.
by mashtun on Mar 20, 2011 6:18 PM CDT reply actions
at least we cant possibly play worse in the second half.
by hornseverywhere on Mar 20, 2011 6:19 PM CDT reply actions
Texas kills me because they seem to do the hard things well and the easy things poorly.
Scoring isn’t easy, but running an offense that minimizes turn-overs and creates good looks is.
Barnes isn’t much different a coach than Tom Izzo – except Tom’s teams can run half-court sets and use tempo to allow their defense and rebounding to take over games.
It’s like watching an offense run by Mike Singletary or Jeff Fisher.
by (Sigh) on Mar 20, 2011 6:20 PM CDT reply actions
I think a lot of our issues on offense are centered around pace. We’re not Temple. It’s unclear to me why we’re pretending to be.
Rick Barnes halftime comment – the issue is defense. DOES. NOT. GET. IT.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 6:20 PM CDT reply actions
Tristan with a silly foul to open up the half….
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 6:21 PM CDT reply actions
Getting TT the ball higher would open the middle but I don’t see Barnes doing that.
by kemit on Mar 20, 2011 6:21 PM CDT reply actions
A week ago I asked if we were still running the Sloan offense and was assured by knowledgeable posters that we were. So why does it not look like a Utah offense. Why do we have no free cutters or open jumpers from the corner? Why does Barnes allow this offense to run like this?
by mashtun on Mar 20, 2011 6:23 PM CDT reply actions
We’ve extended our D. Encouraging Zona to shoot early and push pace.
Took a half to have this revelation.
Handling the double team much better.
Basketball is hard!
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 6:23 PM CDT reply actions
Hamilton made two 3’s, quick Barnes, take him out!
by BounceBarnes on Mar 20, 2011 6:24 PM CDT reply actions
Hammy time coming at an absolutely critical moment of the season.
by UT_64 on Mar 20, 2011 6:24 PM CDT reply actions
Tristan got the ball to Dogus, who found the open man and forced their rotations. Jordan for a 3 pointer. Tristan has to know the double is coming and look diagonal…..
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 6:24 PM CDT reply actions
mashtun -
We’re running the Utah offense insofar as people are going through the motions. But we’re not sitting down on screens and our smalls have stopped making dives to the basket.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 6:25 PM CDT reply actions
Maybe we survived their surge? Agree on the pace Scipio. That’s why Doge is so critical to us.
by Art Vandelay on Mar 20, 2011 6:26 PM CDT reply actions
Can’t say those halftime comments sounded assuring. They are moving the ball better though.
by Dagga Roosta on Mar 20, 2011 6:26 PM CDT reply actions
Space. The final frontier.
These are the voyages of the Longhorn offense. Its 20 minute mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and find the open player plunging to the basket or orbiting the perimeter.
by Texoz on Mar 20, 2011 6:26 PM CDT reply actions
Unless Derek Williams goes off, I think Texas gets back in this thing and has a good chance to win. AZ’s bench players aren’t going to keep this up.
2 early JH threes certainly help.
And I guess he’s being pretty impartial, but how does Kerr get assigned to this game? Was he already locked
by A-Tex Devil on Mar 20, 2011 6:27 PM CDT reply actions
meant to say was Kerr locked into Tulsa before the brackets came out?
by A-Tex Devil on Mar 20, 2011 6:27 PM CDT reply actions
I liked putting JH on the block, but he needs to get a better look than that.
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 6:29 PM CDT reply actions
C’mon J-Ham. Dish out of the lane. nice shot by Corey.
by ultralight on Mar 20, 2011 6:29 PM CDT reply actions
They need to clean up Lake Superior on the foul line.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 6:30 PM CDT reply actions
did the refs leave the building? We are getting abused down low.
by Art Vandelay on Mar 20, 2011 6:30 PM CDT reply actions
Jordan took a terrible shot and then failed to switch on defense leading to a dunk….These are the mental breakdowns you have to stomach with him……
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 6:31 PM CDT reply actions
They need to check the tape on that pick. Not sure there is anything they can do since they didn’t call the foul, but it looked like there was a little something extra there.
by A-Tex Devil on Mar 20, 2011 6:31 PM CDT reply actions
Hope Barnes realizes that one important factor to having a great defense is well… having a good efficient offense that takes care of the ball. Running a good scheme that promotes player movement and ball movement helps.
by UT_64 on Mar 20, 2011 6:32 PM CDT reply actions
Argh. Gary tried to throw that ball off of Tristan. Our hustle led to an open 3, for them. Which of course, they hit. Jordan needs a little more patience.
by ultralight on Mar 20, 2011 6:32 PM CDT reply actions
Great look by Jordan to Gary…..3 point play and 3rd foul on Williams…
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 6:34 PM CDT reply actions
There you go Jorday. Nice work from Hamilton. Great finish from Gary.
by ultralight on Mar 20, 2011 6:34 PM CDT reply actions
HUGE play there with Johnson.
THAT’S what you get with spacing, passing and hustle.
by Texoz on Mar 20, 2011 6:35 PM CDT reply actions
Jordan’s getting out of control…..a ton of bad shots….
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 6:37 PM CDT reply actions
Hamilton forces consecutive shots but got the foul bail out.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 6:37 PM CDT reply actions
Hamilton is going to drive until he gets a call. Trying to make a point.
by ultralight on Mar 20, 2011 6:37 PM CDT reply actions
Tristan brought up to the high post there, led to some penetration from JCB.
Wanger giving us some hustle points….
3 fouls on Tristan…
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 6:39 PM CDT reply actions
Another turnover…..A simple pass and Jordan screws it up…
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 6:40 PM CDT reply actions
Jesus Fucking Christ. We’re not fucking Temple, Rick. This shit isn’t hard.
Push pace.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 6:40 PM CDT reply actions
AZ is giving us chances to climb back in, but we’re politely saying, “No, thanks.”
by Texoz on Mar 20, 2011 6:40 PM CDT reply actions
neither of these teams are worthy of sweet 16. I reserve the right to change my mind if we win.
by Art Vandelay on Mar 20, 2011 6:41 PM CDT reply actions
Whoever wins this game will be woodshedded b Duke.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 6:42 PM CDT reply actions
Being that there are no more games if you lose TT (and this could apply to any team’s center piece), why wouldn’t you just leave him in and hope he doesn’t foul out. You are screwed with him on the bench as much as you are if he fouls out.
by ut_bkc on Mar 20, 2011 6:42 PM CDT reply actions
I like Barnes’ side line demeanor. Chin in hand. Kind of a distant look in his eyes. Must really encourage the team to see such leadership.
by Monahorns on Mar 20, 2011 6:43 PM CDT reply actions
That lane is available every time Thor Sigmurrson shows on the ball screen.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 6:44 PM CDT reply actions
And that draws a call for Williams. Give me a break.
by ultralight on Mar 20, 2011 6:45 PM CDT reply actions
I guess you figure that if Thompson fouls out with 7 minutes left the team might give up? Sort of? I don’t know.
by mookiepatookis on Mar 20, 2011 6:45 PM CDT reply actions
I thought Williams was going to the league next year…..what’s with all the star treatment???
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 6:47 PM CDT reply actions
You guys still think a fast paced game is what we want? A slow game means we can actually play real Texas defense.
by UT_64 on Mar 20, 2011 6:47 PM CDT reply actions
“Whoever wins this game will be woodshedded b Duke.”
Really. So you think Michigan would’ve whooped these teams too…
by UT_64 on Mar 20, 2011 6:48 PM CDT reply actions
Ball pressure is responsible for us cutting the lead, UT-64. It’s pushing pace. Not sitting back and letting someone drop 3s and then set up on their end for our debacle of a half court O
And yes, pace helps our O.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 6:49 PM CDT reply actions
Good point by Kerr. Our offense was playing better with Balbay, but we need to extend the defense, period.
by UT_64 on Mar 20, 2011 6:49 PM CDT reply actions
J’Covan decided that he’s going to take this double team shit personally.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 6:50 PM CDT reply actions
Wow.
We’re being dominated and just cut it to 2. Let’s steal this.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 6:51 PM CDT reply actions
If JCB saves us, will Barnes still hate him?
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 6:51 PM CDT reply actions
Time for us to melt down now that we cut it to 2.
by ultralight on Mar 20, 2011 6:51 PM CDT reply actions
Johnson pump-faked air. But by God, he put it in
by villagehorn on Mar 20, 2011 6:54 PM CDT reply actions
No answer for J’Covan. Penetrate. Make, draw a foul, miss and Gary/TT/Hamilton will follow. Pretty simple and effective formula for success.
by UT_64 on Mar 20, 2011 6:54 PM CDT reply actions
sums up Barnes offense doesn’t it? We have run out of ideas and are down to clearing out and going one on one. Reminds me of the 2nd half against Duke in the tournament a few years ago. We discovered Varez Ward could take his man off the dribble.
by Art Vandelay on Mar 20, 2011 6:54 PM CDT reply actions
Amazing what happens with 5 scoters on the floor. We need to take the lead here soon
by jinx on Mar 20, 2011 6:54 PM CDT reply actions
Both of these teams could do to Duke what St. John’s did to the Devils under the right circumstances. And they could also be woodshedded. They both present real problems for Duke in different ways.
by A-Tex Devil on Mar 20, 2011 6:56 PM CDT reply actions
They really aren’t calling that a shooting foul. That was just Marv screwing up. I might have to throw something, if Williams is at the line.
by ultralight on Mar 20, 2011 6:56 PM CDT reply actions
A-Tex Devil-
We primarily present a problem for ourselves.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 6:56 PM CDT reply actions
Arizona and Oakland totally destroying our highly ranked defense eFG%. Sort of how Alabama destroyed our supposed great run defense.
by UT_64 on Mar 20, 2011 6:58 PM CDT reply actions
Good to see signs of life. Let’s go on a 10-0 run. Or 4-0.
by Monahorns on Mar 20, 2011 6:58 PM CDT reply actions
Tristan’s lone basket came on the first possession of the game. Wow.
by Wyatt on Mar 20, 2011 6:59 PM CDT reply actions
We have no answer for Hill, just penetrating by JH at will….
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 6:59 PM CDT reply actions
Hamilton finally draws a foul. Wish he could learn from JCB how to draw a foul. Would be a much more efficient player.
by UT_64 on Mar 20, 2011 7:00 PM CDT reply actions
If Hamilton declares for the NBA draft he’s crazy.
by AKHorn on Mar 20, 2011 7:01 PM CDT reply actions
I think Barnes gave the ball to Brown, just to cool off Hamilton. Make your freebies J-Ham. Come on D.
by ultralight on Mar 20, 2011 7:01 PM CDT reply actions
JCB will not be denied….He is just not afraid of the moment but we can’t get stops….
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 7:02 PM CDT reply actions
JCB.
I’m surprised we don’t put in Doge to get ball pressure. Joseph offering us nothing on O.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 7:02 PM CDT reply actions
Can’t get a stop with this lineup. Barnes has to pick a poison.
by UT_64 on Mar 20, 2011 7:03 PM CDT reply actions
JCB. Fucking unreal. That’s why he’s our tournament upside.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 7:03 PM CDT reply actions
J’covan Brown is tearing up Port A right now.
by ultralight on Mar 20, 2011 7:03 PM CDT reply actions
I want to fight the next person who talks shit about J’Covan.
by Wyatt on Mar 20, 2011 7:03 PM CDT reply actions
If JCB plays his cards right, and we pull this out, Barnes may consider starting him.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 7:04 PM CDT reply actions
Ha ha. Doge in. Is Barnes reading this game thread?
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 7:04 PM CDT reply actions
The Canadians basically aren’t playing any role on offense. TT had that chance to follow JCB’s shot but lost control of the ball.
by UT_64 on Mar 20, 2011 7:07 PM CDT reply actions
J’Covan needs to look to drive and pass now. The defenders will be crashing down on him.
by Texoz on Mar 20, 2011 7:08 PM CDT reply actions
Can we get a grinning Ukrainian on our team?
by mookiepatookis on Mar 20, 2011 7:09 PM CDT reply actions
Tie ball game…..Let’s go. JCB going out to get some rest on defense…
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 7:10 PM CDT reply actions
I can’t believe we have a shot at stealing this.
Let’s do it, Horns.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 7:10 PM CDT reply actions
That’s just a bullshit call. What a f’n bailout….
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 7:10 PM CDT reply actions
Sheesh, that’s a weak call on Thompson. In this game, really.
by ultralight on Mar 20, 2011 7:11 PM CDT reply actions
We’re playing a little offense/defense CZW. Don’t freak.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 7:11 PM CDT reply actions
JCB taken out? JCB and a cloud of dust is basically our offense right now, leave him in!
by ballrific on Mar 20, 2011 7:11 PM CDT reply actions
Hate that call that puts Brown to the line too.
by ultralight on Mar 20, 2011 7:12 PM CDT reply actions
Clear foul.
Cry all you want, Whoopi. You don’t hedge 30 feet from the hoop
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 7:12 PM CDT reply actions
brown is our offense and the one putting AZ in foul trouble.
by kemit on Mar 20, 2011 7:13 PM CDT reply actions
Lose, AZ, if for no other reason than for Williams con jobs.
One point lead for the good guys! Important for TT not to foul out if we should go to OT.
by java on Mar 20, 2011 7:13 PM CDT reply actions
ever heard of a push off refs? jesus…JH just got elbowed out of the paint
by ballrific on Mar 20, 2011 7:14 PM CDT reply actions
Need to leave Tristan in now….No rebounding presence….
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 7:14 PM CDT reply actions
Shitty defense by Wangmene. Gave him the baseline
by UT_64 on Mar 20, 2011 7:14 PM CDT reply actions
JCB should be the only one taking jumpshots right now.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 7:15 PM CDT reply actions
C’mon. Arizona’s tired and we settled for a couple jumpers. Work the ball.
by ultralight on Mar 20, 2011 7:16 PM CDT reply actions
UT64, it looked like Wangmene was shoved by Williams on the drive.
by Texoz on Mar 20, 2011 7:16 PM CDT reply actions
At least Jordan has the common sense to realize that JCB is hot and deferring instead of trying to prove who the man is….
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 7:16 PM CDT reply actions
Hamilton his those 3s at the beginning of the half. Gone since.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 7:16 PM CDT reply actions
this would indeed be a steal; tough to beat someone who’s 8/13 from downtown..
by ballrific on Mar 20, 2011 7:16 PM CDT reply actions
Attack the fucking rim and let TT clean up if you can’t finish.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 7:17 PM CDT reply actions
shit, this is going to come down to free throws. shit. shit.
by ballrific on Mar 20, 2011 7:17 PM CDT reply actions
JCB needs to keep driving. Eventually GJ or TT are going to be under the basket for a dunk. Keep up the pressure!!!
by Monahorns on Mar 20, 2011 7:17 PM CDT reply actions
So do we put TT — and his free throw issues — in after the time out?
by AKHorn on Mar 20, 2011 7:17 PM CDT reply actions
JKBrown should get the shot….which should also leave Tristan underneath open since I’m sure 2 or 3 guys are going to collapse on JCB if he goes down the lane.
by kemit on Mar 20, 2011 7:18 PM CDT reply actions
8-13 vs 3-11 for three
tough to overcome. but we are right there
by jeez on Mar 20, 2011 7:18 PM CDT reply actions
Yes, yes, yes. Oh, Steve, do some research, please. Is not Texas starting 2 fresh, 2 sophs, and 1 senior? Our 6th man is also a soph. I thought Kerr was supposed to be smart.
by java on Mar 20, 2011 7:19 PM CDT reply actions
java, actually we start 2 seniors….
But I hear ya…
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 7:20 PM CDT reply actions
Shut the fuck up Jimmy Kimmel. That’s flawless D.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 7:21 PM CDT reply actions
That was nasty ownage. TT > Williams. Refs are the only reason Williams has done anything tonight.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 7:22 PM CDT reply actions
Have to get the ball into JCB so he gets fouled……This is where Barnes needs to show his mettle…
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 7:22 PM CDT reply actions
I said it many months ago, last season in fact. I think J’Covan will be considered one of our best guards when he leaves the 40 acres. Not TJ Ford good, but definitely a Top 10 list.
by Texoz on Mar 20, 2011 7:22 PM CDT reply actions
Corey doesn’t call the TO in time….Are you kidding me???
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 7:23 PM CDT reply actions
Jobbed. You have to call a foul on WIlliams for thorwing J’Covan to the ground
by A-Tex Devil on Mar 20, 2011 7:24 PM CDT reply actions
Too bad Brown can’t inbound to himself because the team’s not helping on offense.
by kemit on Mar 20, 2011 7:24 PM CDT reply actions
Maybe the bigger weakness for barnes….in bounds plays
by jinx on Mar 20, 2011 7:24 PM CDT reply actions
No call?
Why did JCB take so long to get down???
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 7:26 PM CDT reply actions
J’covan may go get something out of his bag.
by ultralight on Mar 20, 2011 7:26 PM CDT reply actions
Two point lead and we have the ball with under 25 seconds and we lose…..Sheesh…
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 7:28 PM CDT reply actions
Thanks to JCB for playing his ass off.
Rick – hope you spend some of the offseason figuring out what it is you’re trying to do.
by Scipio Tex on Mar 20, 2011 7:28 PM CDT reply actions
was that the same ref that did the Texas/UConn game? The old dude with the white hair and flat head? Brown got fouled three times and GJ got mauled.
by Art Vandelay on Mar 20, 2011 7:28 PM CDT reply actions
Why was a SHORT freshman (Corey Joseph) throwing the ball inbounds?
by Texoz on Mar 20, 2011 7:28 PM CDT reply actions
That is crap! Picky foul on Texas. Don’t review 5 second call on Texas. Don’t call a foul on AZ. Same ref that blew call earlier against Temple?
AZ players acting like they have never been there before.
by java on Mar 20, 2011 7:28 PM CDT reply actions
mental note:
C joseph should not be an inbound passer
by jeez on Mar 20, 2011 7:29 PM CDT reply actions
Worst case scenario for Texas. We lost and Thompson dominated Derrick Williams, a likely top 5 pick. As a fan, I’d like him to stay obviously, but if I was advising him, I’d tell him to go.
by tjarks on Mar 20, 2011 7:30 PM CDT reply actions
Why did JOrdan call the timeout after we got the rebound with 14 seconds left. Why not run clock until they foul? Or did Barnes call that timeout after the rebound?
by mashtun on Mar 20, 2011 7:30 PM CDT reply actions
Clearly, the refs for the PItt/Butler game were not at ours.
by CrazyJoeDavola on Mar 20, 2011 7:31 PM CDT reply actions
bullsh&t 5 sec violation. He looks right at the ref and calls timeout, then the ref calls the violation. whatever
by jobbed on Mar 20, 2011 7:31 PM CDT reply actions
At least Coach K doesn’t get to buttfuck Ricky by 30 points again next weekend.
by JMR on Mar 20, 2011 7:31 PM CDT reply actions
That’s college basketball in the NCAA tournament. We got fucked. We weren’t the first and sure as shit won’t be the last. What a fucking joke.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 7:31 PM CDT reply actions
I’m gonna have a hard time getting over the 5 sec call and the “and 1” on Williams drive. Devastating.
by ultralight on Mar 20, 2011 7:32 PM CDT reply actions
The game came down to not being able to in bounds the ball… to anyone. Getting it to TT is better than a 5 sec call.
And then JCB gets shoved in the chest on his drive. Should have been a foul but rarely gets called in that situation.
Barnes. In bounds play. Take 2 guys that can shoot and handle have one screen for the other. The cutter either gets it or runs to the other side for the lob, return if no dice. The screener then cuts directly to the ball. Repeat if no one is open within 5 seconds. Sheesh.
by Monahorns on Mar 20, 2011 7:32 PM CDT reply actions
Oops, you are right. Balbay is also a senior. Oh well. I have work to do.
Crap!
by java on Mar 20, 2011 7:32 PM CDT reply actions
Well, my predictions for this teams collapse are complete. I would have been alright being wrong.
by jinx on Mar 20, 2011 7:33 PM CDT reply actions
What an absolutely shitty way to lose.
I like how Hamilton tries to draw a charge when he was much better off contesting the shot.
I love how Brown was taking his SWEET TIME on the final shot given that we were TRAILING and needed time to follow the shot. Brown not understanding the situation is the reason Gary could not draw that foul. Unbelievable.
Hard to see us beating Duke the way we were guarding the perimeter and our horrible offense. All I can do now is wait for Kabongo and the new guys.
Maybe it’s just me, but I won’t shed a tear if Hamilton goes pro.
by UT_64 on Mar 20, 2011 7:33 PM CDT reply actions
Watch the replay of J’Covan’s final drive and he was clearly fouled twice. Not even close.
by Texoz on Mar 20, 2011 7:34 PM CDT reply actions
Agree with Mashtun. Dribble the ball, get fouled, hit 2 free throws, game over. Instead time-out and… Biggest clusterfuck of all time.
by TShakCFP on Mar 20, 2011 7:34 PM CDT reply actions
Anyone else think Barnes handled this team, and J’Covan Brown, all wrong this season?
I am sick and fucking tired of seeing absolutely zero offense when we have to go to half court, and seeing multiple players that have absolutely zero chance of actually having a fucking offense when they are on the floor – Balbay, Wang, Hill, Lucas – how can you trot out multiple players that can’t hit a shot from inside ten feet? Horrible.
Hats off to J’Covan, he played his ass off tonight, especially in the second half. He had some lapses on defense in the first half but flat out willed us to what should have been a victory. Very little thanks to just about the rest of the team for any help.
This really, really pisses me the fuck off. We came out with no identity and no ability to play under any pressure, and continued to shoot ourselves in the foot all night long.
Again, we went as far as J’Covan could take us…it just happened to be the second round when he got very little help from the other stars on the team.
by uthookem on Mar 20, 2011 7:35 PM CDT reply actions
Cory ended it with awesome brain fart
by Mysterious Package on Mar 20, 2011 7:35 PM CDT reply actions
Our dimwitted coach is the reason the game was close enough for us to get “jobbed” in the first place.
by NVHorn on Mar 20, 2011 7:35 PM CDT reply actions
Enough of your bullshit JMR do us all a favor and go eat a back of dicks.
by srr50 on Mar 20, 2011 7:35 PM CDT reply actions
Now is the wrong time to be aggies and looking to blame the refs for our lack of discipline. J’Covan did a great job single handedly bringing the team back, but of course the team should not have been in that position.
by Joseph Nunn on Mar 20, 2011 7:35 PM CDT reply actions
EPIC FAIL by the officials in the last few seconds…I think officials this year have been smokin’ something! First the Washington game and now UT
by STLaw on Mar 20, 2011 7:36 PM CDT reply actions
I’m sure Vegas is happy the bleeding’s done. They certainly had a hard time w/ Texas this year…
by TexasTomek on Mar 20, 2011 7:37 PM CDT reply actions
You can’t be serious tjarks?! TT dominated??? How many baskets did he make? You realize that TT didn’t guard Williams but for 5 minutes, right?
by Diego on Mar 20, 2011 7:37 PM CDT reply actions
This loss is squarely on Rick Barnes. What the hell did they do in that huddle besides make a plan to “inbounds to JCB if you can but otherwise just wing it.” What a complete and utter collapse. I’ve always been willing to give Barnes the benefit of the doubt because we’re in the NCAAs ever year, but my patience is now officially gone. Texas has reached it’s potential under Barnes despite having more talent than most of its opponents. Next.
by Mr. Orange on Mar 20, 2011 7:38 PM CDT reply actions
Shades of Carlos Boozer not getting the call on the putback against Indiana in 2002. Gary Johnson was being fouled by 2
Texas put themselves in this position, but you can’t give JCB all those calls and then not make the call then, and you can’t make that call on JH at the end of the game and not make the call on GJ. Well I guess you can, but it would make you Jim Burr, old washed up college ref, and his crew of merry fuckups.
And don’t get me started on J’Covan getting thrown to the ground on the inbounds where we got the 5 (4) seconds.
by A-Tex Devil on Mar 20, 2011 7:38 PM CDT reply actions
After 13 years, I’d say shit has gone a tad stagnant.
by Wyatt on Mar 20, 2011 7:38 PM CDT reply actions
The ref absolutely did not give Joseph a 5-count. You can see him count 4 with his arm, and Joseph turns and calls timeout. The ref never gave him the 5th count.
by RV Austin on Mar 20, 2011 7:39 PM CDT reply actions
Wow what a second half from JCB ! Great win for Arizona , Texas showed a lot of heart and great ball pressure. Time to keep our heads up and evaluate our Great Coach and his staff. Great bunch on players hope Jordan and Tristan come back.
Hey ! we had another great season and the two Freshmen and the 2 Sophs did alright. More then I thought them of doing.
Lets see 20+ season and another NCAA trip. Great season for Barnes again. The string of our going to the Dance is still intact. Great season for Texas!
What a great defense and our new offense was so well coached . Did the players have a different agenda or playing for a pay check ?
Three / four great years for Texas ,right ?
by skymonkeyhorn on Mar 20, 2011 7:39 PM CDT reply actions
We made a series of bad decisions by young players. It sucks. Jordan calls a TO on the defensive rebound on our end. Not the best decision.
Corey Joseph can’t find JCB after he can’t keep his feet and fails to get the ball in or call a TO (not sure if we had on).
JH tries to draw a charge (has he drawn one all year?) when he needed a hard foul or just to give up the layup.
JCB strolls to the frontcourt not allowing time for an offensive rebound. He also missed Gary wide open b/c the defense collapsed, but I can’t blame him on that.
It was a comedy of errors and goes on the entire team. Coaches and players.
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 7:39 PM CDT reply actions
Traditionally its hard to get a foul call on the game’s final play. Refs don’t want to decide the game so they let them play.
The problem on the 5 second call is that UT’s out of bound plays reek, there is no screen to get a guy free.
Jordan should have made DW earn it at the line by fouling him hard. That is normal playoff basketball.
by Kafka on Mar 20, 2011 7:40 PM CDT reply actions
“That’s college basketball in the NCAA tournament. We got fucked. We weren’t the first and sure as shit won’t be the last. What a fucking joke.”
Yeah, we got jobbed by treating the basketball like a fucking hot potato in the first half and not defending the three point line. Oh, and by not turning the game over to J’Covan in the first half. Give me a break folks, the refs had nothing to do with us losing this game.
And TRIPLE FUCK – the next time we see a Texas basketball game we’ll probably also be watching a multiple-loss Texas football team.
by uthookem on Mar 20, 2011 7:40 PM CDT reply actions
VCU meanwhile rolls on with little talent and yet another new coach since they get raided year in and year out.
by kemit on Mar 20, 2011 7:42 PM CDT reply actions
“This loss is squarely on Rick Barnes. What the hell did they do in that huddle besides make a plan to "inbounds to JCB if you can but otherwise just wing it." What a complete and utter collapse. I’ve always been willing to give Barnes the benefit of the doubt because we’re in the NCAAs ever year, but my patience is now officially gone. Texas has reached it’s potential under Barnes despite having more talent than most of its opponents. Next.”
Seriously, who cares about your patience. Tell us what play you wanted called – - how about J’Covan dribbling and throwing up a 3. How about him giving it to Jordan for a 3. That is what usually happens now a days at the end of games.
J’Covan did the right thing to to the hole, but unfortunately didn’t execute.
FAIL!
by Joseph Nunn on Mar 20, 2011 7:43 PM CDT reply actions
The studio guys are right — if JH takes that charge square he might get the call.
by A-Tex Devil on Mar 20, 2011 7:43 PM CDT reply actions
“Traditionally its hard to get a foul call on the game’s final play.”
The ENTIRE justification for the Pitt/Butler ending last night was that the refs have been explicity instructed to call every possession as a discrete one.
So: Fuck tradition. I agree we should have done better, but the refs/NCAA need to get that shit straight.
by CrazyJoeDavola on Mar 20, 2011 7:43 PM CDT reply actions
Bateman,
I’d agree with you except that it’s a different team with similar results.
by kemit on Mar 20, 2011 7:44 PM CDT reply actions
There was a time when Barnes received a good amount of unfair criticism, but the man has gone full retard the last three seasons and made every bit of the criticism he ever received look spot-on. Another epic fucking collapse thanks to a clueless idiot drawing $2+ million a year.
At least Texas is an attractive job now. Someday, after many more years of top recruits and first-weekend exits, this moron will leave and we can hire someone worth a runny shit.
by JMR on Mar 20, 2011 7:44 PM CDT reply actions
Obviously we could have played better uthookem, and AZ could have shot less than 60% from 3. It doesn’t excuse blatant fuckups by the officials.
Whatever. We’re a dumb team and we lost how dumb teams lose. We’re a dumb team because we have dumb players coached by an idiot.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 7:45 PM CDT reply actions
Texas finished somewhere between 17 and 32 (inclusive) in the final ranking.
Basically the offensive set that worked was clear the middle and let Brown draw a foul.
by Kafka on Mar 20, 2011 7:45 PM CDT reply actions
“After 13 years, I’d say shit has gone a tad stagnant.”
No doubt, but we’re stuck with the idiot for as long as his simple ass wants to be here.
by JMR on Mar 20, 2011 7:47 PM CDT reply actions
And the criticism that the Big 12-2 being overrated appears to be warranted. Everyone out but Kansas in the first weekend…..
by Patrick Bateman on Mar 20, 2011 7:48 PM CDT reply actions
CJD:
So guys have been calling games one way for 20 years are supposed to rewire themselves in the heat of the moment based on this year’s refereeing memo? I wouldn’t depend on it.
by Kafka on Mar 20, 2011 7:48 PM CDT reply actions
Who didn’t lose this game???? It’s hard to in bounds the ball; why did jordan hamilton and gary johnson call timeout in the first place? TT got the block jordan hamilton got the rebound with 12 secs left…why not wait until you get fouled???Then the horrible 5 sec call with a timeout left …typical rick barnes team…Typical Jordan Hamilton instead of making a play on the ball he tried to take a charge… He must think he plays for Duke…..not only was that stupid but instead of making a hard play on the ball and not allowing Derrick Williams to get an “and 1” trying to take a charge allowed him to get an and 1….we were the better team…its one think to lose to a much better team but its hard to swallow when you are the much better squad.
by FireBarnes on Mar 20, 2011 7:48 PM CDT reply actions
Two years of disappointment later and I’m sure the money people/donors are going to start talking. Fair or not, this is how it happens. If the “fans” are starting to finally pick up on Barnes and his inadequate approach to “live” game situations, you can bet people giving cash to the program are going to start calling foul.
He has one more of these seasons before Deloss seriously needs to start looking at Butler’s head coach.
by BounceBarnes on Mar 20, 2011 7:50 PM CDT reply actions
JMR wow you can turn a sentence! Spot on and right except for all the guys that will defend Barnes to the bitter end.
I know but we did have a 20+ win season and the kidoes played pretty good hoops for 20-30 minutes per game, did we ever have a complete 40 game from our team??
Mad, our players are not dumb and can hoop if Barnes ever lets them loose and confident. Too many kids forget how to play the game after getting coached up by Barnes.
by skymonkeyhorn on Mar 20, 2011 7:52 PM CDT reply actions
Watching Barnes coach during the last 2-3 minutes of tourney games is like watching an epileptic try to perform open heart surgery. It’s brutal.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 7:55 PM CDT reply actions
When I visit Texags, I expect to see the aggies quitting on their basketball team; players, coaches etc . I expect them to quit on the team at half time. Pretty sad when so many Texas fans are exactly like aggies.
Once and for all, college ball is a game played by young kids who make mistakes. If you think it only happens with Texas and Rick Barnes, you did not:
watch the last plays of Pitt / Butler;
watch final possessions of Washington against North Carolina today;
watch Michigan’s final possession today against Duke.
by Joseph Nunn on Mar 20, 2011 7:56 PM CDT reply actions
The biggest controversy from this is that 5 second call on Corey. You can clearly see him turn to the ref and call TO as the ref is about to say 5. The talking heads on ESPN said you can’t call TO after 4 seconds. Some knuckleheads on OB claim it is a rule, but can’t provide a link to prove it.
I would expect Rick to make a stink about that call if the replay clearly shows Corey calling it.
by Texoz on Mar 20, 2011 7:56 PM CDT reply actions
Agree…Barnes has proven he doesn’t do well in the dance.
by STLaw on Mar 20, 2011 7:57 PM CDT reply actions
“I wouldn’t depend on it.”
Nor would I, but I (quixotically) hope to get some amount of commentary on the doublespeak from the haircuts and screamers on TV/radio.
I think the thing i hate about this the most is that it lets the JMRs of the world crawl out from under their rocks and vomit forth their bile. THEY ARE ANGARY AND THEY WILL BE HERD DERP DERP GRR
by CrazyJoeDavola on Mar 20, 2011 7:58 PM CDT reply actions
Texoz, Barnes will have to consult someone before he questions that Corey 5 seconds.
by skymonkeyhorn on Mar 20, 2011 7:58 PM CDT reply actions
I’m pissed, irate, etc. etc. and I will give myself a few days to evaluate. But I will appreciate JCB and how he was the go to guy in two fantastic games. He had more kill in his eyes at the free throw line than the sure fire NBA first rounder D. Williams and anyone else on the court.
by g'69 on Mar 20, 2011 8:00 PM CDT reply actions
Complaining about bullshit calls is too undignified for Barnes. He prefers to spend his time sitting in his chair, licking his lips and daydreaming.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 8:02 PM CDT reply actions
Barnes needs a real Xs and Os guy on his bench. Like Lavin got Gene Keady at St Johns. I mean the team just basically stops running a crisp offense sometime in January and never gets it back. Why does Barnes let the offensive jello-ism go week after week? We had it in the beginning of the season. And then it all goes out the window in the 2nd half of this game, when he just lets J’Covan take it every set.
by mashtun on Mar 20, 2011 8:03 PM CDT reply actions
“The biggest controversy from this is that 5 second call on Corey. You can clearly see him turn to the ref and call TO as the ref is about to say 5. The talking heads on ESPN said you can’t call TO after 4 seconds. Some knuckleheads on OB claim it is a rule, but can’t provide a link to prove it.
I would expect Rick to make a stink about that call if the replay clearly shows Corey calling it"
The explanation was the rule is you cannot call for the timeout when the count hits 4. I’m not a rule expert, so someone else will need to verify that.
by Joseph Nunn on Mar 20, 2011 8:06 PM CDT reply actions
Someone posted the particular rule on shaggy and there is no mention of the mysterious “4 second limitation.”
scroll down, don’t want to post the whole thing here.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 8:07 PM CDT reply actions
What killed UT was the disparity in 3 point shooting. Zona hit 8 of 14 and UT only hit 3 of 11 so Zona got 15 more points on 3’s.
Also, Tristan only got 3 points on 1 for 5 shooting (plus 6 rebounds).
by Kafka on Mar 20, 2011 8:09 PM CDT reply actions
“I think the thing i hate about this the most is that it lets the JMRs of the world crawl out from under their rocks and vomit forth their bile. THEY ARE ANGARY AND THEY WILL BE HERD DERP DERP GRR”
Well you have to understand, tomorrow JMR & his pals have to return to their cubicles to count the widgets wondering why they never get the call from the boss for their expertise on things. Afterall, they are sports experts.
by Joseph Nunn on Mar 20, 2011 8:09 PM CDT reply actions
“He has one more of these seasons before Deloss seriously needs to start looking at Butler’s head coach.”
Yes, the guy who coaches in the tough Horizon league and is advancing because of 2 games with end of game mistakes by the opponent. Wonder how his Butler team would have done this season in the Big 12? He’s Tom Penders at Rhode Island,
by Joseph Nunn on Mar 20, 2011 8:12 PM CDT reply actions
Is the studio crew going to bring in the director of officiating again. like they did after the Butler game?
Here’s a line from the AP story:
“Replays appeared to show the call came before the count reached five.”
by ultralight on Mar 20, 2011 8:14 PM CDT reply actions
There is no “No-timeout-after-4-seconds Rule”:
Art. 1. No timeouts shall be granted:
a. To the opponents of the throw-in team after the throw-in starts.
b. During an interrupted dribble.
c. To a player or coach when an airborne player’s momentum is
carrying him/her out of bounds or into the backcourt.
d. Unless there is player control by the requesting team. Exception:
Rule 5-12.1.c.
e. Until after the jump ball that begins the game and the conditions as
described in Rule 5-10 are in effect.
by TexLaw on Mar 20, 2011 8:14 PM CDT reply actions
Not that it matters. We wouldn’t have inbounded it the second time, either with a 4 flat set and 0 screening
by TexLaw on Mar 20, 2011 8:15 PM CDT reply actions
Give me a break with the Penders/Stevens comparisons. Stevens played in the championship game, Penders never sniffed that anywhere. He’s legit, and lets not pretend like it’s impossible to pull coaches out of fucking Butler.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 8:17 PM CDT reply actions
It isn’t surprising that UT fans are angry. The way the horns lost today really sucked, they basically shot themselves in the foot. It isn’t just horn fans that rip Barnes, Bobby Knight (and others) levels merciless criticism on Barnes’ offensive scheme and out of bounds plays.
People vent because they care and they are angry that this promising team did not get farther into March Madness. As long as the criticism is mainly focused on Barnes rather than the kids, it seems pretty harmless. Barnes is extremely well compensated and taking Internet abuse is probably the least of his worries.
by Kafka on Mar 20, 2011 8:20 PM CDT reply actions
“Once and for all, college ball is a game played by young kids who make mistakes. If you think it only happens with Texas and Rick Barnes”
Somebody check that strawman for a pulse. I think Joey might have killed him.
by JMR on Mar 20, 2011 8:21 PM CDT reply actions
“Barnes needs a real Xs and Os guy on his bench. Like Lavin got Gene Keady at St Johns. I mean the team just basically stops running a crisp offense sometime in January and never gets it back. Why does Barnes let the offensive jello-ism go week after week? We had it in the beginning of the season. And then it all goes out the window in the 2nd half of this game, when he just lets J’Covan take it every set.”
Lavin did well this season when his team was the underdog. As soon as his team was the favorite in the tourney, they get killed by Gonzaga who in turn is destroyed by BYU.
Gene Keady was a very good coach at Purdue, but as I recall, his teams usually came up short in the NCAA tournament. Just guessing, but I think he reached the Elite 8 1 or 2 times. With the boo birds after Barnes, imagine them with Keady?
by Joseph Nunn on Mar 20, 2011 8:24 PM CDT reply actions
where in the hell is this no timeout after 4 seconds rule??? i can’t find it anywhere
by STLaw on Mar 20, 2011 8:25 PM CDT reply actions
Some coaches are better in the tourney than they are in the regular season, and vice versa. Guys like Coach K and Stevens are masters at softly managing these types of games, and they end up with a 1-2 point win instead of a 1-2 point loss.
Barnes isn’t very good at managing the game, his substitution patterns at the beginning were idiotic and killed our early momentum. His decision to have Hamilton call the TO setup the cluster fuck that cost us the game.
Hell, the main reason we made it a game was because Barnes went fetal and let JCB take over and run iso plays every possession.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 8:29 PM CDT reply actions
I am not for irrational rants about the team, but there are apparent problems with this team. No sound in bounds play for end of the game (kind of like the Greg Davis’ run game)? Bad. No role players that can catch or score? Bad. The NBA talent under performs at the critical times? Bad. Little apparent offensive coaching? Bad.
So Texas won one more game than last year by 4 pts to a 13 seed. Then we lose the next one similarly to the loss against Wake Forest last year. So the problem seems independent of the talent and team. This is a program problem.
It needs to get fixed by the current staff or the staff needs to get fixed. It’s not 5-7 but should Texas fans really be satisfied with this?
by Monahorns on Mar 20, 2011 8:32 PM CDT reply actions
When Barnes recruits, he might put a higher value on intelligence, even if there is a small sacrifice in talent. That will make it easier to coach the players. The team might do better and also keep players a year or two longer before they go to the NBA.
by Kafka on Mar 20, 2011 8:32 PM CDT reply actions
“Give me a break with the Penders/Stevens comparisons. Stevens played in the championship game, Penders never sniffed that anywhere. He’s legit, and lets not pretend like it’s impossible to pull coaches out of fucking Butler”
Pender’s team was within 4 points of a final 4.
Stevens is a skilled coach who has been lucky for brain farts from the other team. This past week proves that.
by Joseph Nunn on Mar 20, 2011 8:34 PM CDT reply actions
Pender’s team was within 4 points of a final 4. Stevens is a skilled coach who has been lucky for brain farts from the other team. This past week proves that.
So your giving Penders more credit for almost reaching a Final Four with somebody else’s players than Stevens who actually reached a Championship game and is back in the Sweet 16.
Really?
by srr50 on Mar 20, 2011 8:39 PM CDT reply actions
“Some coaches are better in the tourney than they are in the regular season, and vice versa. Guys like Coach K and Stevens are masters at softly managing these types of games, and they end up with a 1-2 point win instead of a 1-2 point loss.”
Stevens is a master and comparable to Coach K and Duke. Sorry, but I have to laff at that one. You do realize this is Steven’s 4th season as a head college basketball coach?
After 4 seasons, people are talking about Stevens like they did when Penders was the hot shot at Rhode Island.
Stevens is a good coach who coaches in a weak conference and has benefitted as the underdog and brain farts from the other teams. I’ll wait to annoint him after he’s been around for awhile.
by Joseph Nunn on Mar 20, 2011 8:40 PM CDT reply actions
Stevens lucked into the championship game last year and the sweet 16 this year?
by kemit on Mar 20, 2011 8:40 PM CDT reply actions
I like Rick and he can certainly recruit but that was a pathetic display of coaching. From the absolute refusal to punish Arizona for overplayng the perimeter to the second half “get the ball to JWhiny and get out of the way” offense—-completely horrible. And the next minute that Joseph plays ahead of anyone else on the team is a total waste. 34 minutes, 6 points and 3 turnovers. Blech
by ransomstoddard on Mar 20, 2011 8:41 PM CDT reply actions
Stevens also had that game won before the zany fouls. Pitt and Butler both had brain farts, so no advantage was gained by either team.
That game was won when Stevens called a TO, drew up a brilliant play, his team executed it and scored a wide open layup. Pretty sure that’s never happened fucking once in the past 12 years at Texas.
Barnes will have his game manager next year though, so we can rest easy. It’s no coincidence are two best teams both featured Cousy level players.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 8:43 PM CDT reply actions
So Barnes needs a player to manage the game for him because he can’t? And we pay him how much? Maybe we should give Stevens a chance.
by Monahorns on Mar 20, 2011 8:45 PM CDT reply actions
think coaching is relative. You either get the best out of your players through discipline and putting them in the right positions to win or you don’t. I don’t think it matters what league they’re in. If they’re in a crappy league, then they have less talent and shouldn’t be able to keep up with the big boys except through x’s and o’s and playing with the same core for multiple years. You would have to think that the big boys bench is probably better than 4 of the guys starting on the lesser conference teams.
by kemit on Mar 20, 2011 8:47 PM CDT reply actions
LOL at the criticism of Brad Stevens. You should be arrested for making that pathetic of an argument.
by Wyatt on Mar 20, 2011 8:50 PM CDT reply actions
“So your giving Penders more credit for almost reaching a Final Four with somebody else’s players than Stevens who actually reached a Championship game and is back in the Sweet 16.
Really?"
Of course not. Stevens is a good, young coach who is in his 4 season as a head coach.
But too many of you debate / argue based on emotion. Some of our young players screw up and don’t execute what they have been coached in practice and the brains go off and players emotionally go after the coach.
BTW, guess it’s time to fire the head coaches of Pitt and Syracuse. Can’t believe they screwed up again and lost to inferior teams.
by Joseph Nunn on Mar 20, 2011 8:51 PM CDT reply actions
Had this team played USC (I know they didn’t make it), Washington or UCLA today, do people think the result would have been different? I don’t.
by kemit on Mar 20, 2011 8:51 PM CDT reply actions
The one thing you have to do as a coach at any level is put your players in position for success during various game situations. It’s the only thing you have complete control of from high school to the NBA. Our failure to get the ball inbounds to our best foul shooter when virtually every other team in college basketball can get the ball inbounded to their best foul shooter speaks volumes. Everything else that happened in this game was just chance bullshit. But getting the ball inbounded to a good foul shooter in the last few seconds of a ballgame is the easiest thing for a college coach to do. You can google search that fucking shit.
by Trips Right on Mar 20, 2011 8:53 PM CDT reply actions
kemit, I think that’s the point. Texas loses to good and bad teams alike. Nebraska was terrible. Colorado didn’t make the tournament. Oakland didn’t play a lick of defense and only lost by 4. Texas loses games to all kinds of teams. It not like their weaknesses are only evident against top teams.
Barnes needs another soul searching offseason. At least if he wants the program to take the next step. Texas basketball needs, needs to take the next step.
by Monahorns on Mar 20, 2011 8:55 PM CDT reply actions
It’s funny that low basketball IQ has plagued his teams since his first year. Does he target kids who don’t know how to play, or does he simply rub off on them?
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 8:58 PM CDT reply actions
Agree with Monahorns. Another soul searching off-season. Why did Barnes’ team self-destruct last year? Everyone says bad chemistry. Well, they had good chemistry upon reaching number one in the country. What happened to the team this year? WHy did Barnes let them become so sloppy in executing the new offense that he worked so hard to go out and get?
That offense, well run, would have saved us in the first half of this game, kept us from falling behind by 13. A disciplined approach gives the players the confidence and structure needed for such things as inbounding the ball in crunch time.
by mashtun on Mar 20, 2011 9:06 PM CDT reply actions
The fact that Hamilton’s man was guarding the mid-court line against him on the in-bounds pass, and Hamilton ran towards him instead of breaking towards Joseph is mind-numbingly stupid.
by srr50 on Mar 20, 2011 9:07 PM CDT reply actions
“Our failure to get the ball inbounds to our best foul shooter when virtually every other team in college basketball can get the ball inbounded to their best foul shooter speaks volumes. Everything else that happened in this game was just chance bullshit. But getting the ball inbounded to a good foul shooter in the last few seconds of a ballgame is the easiest thing for a college coach to do. You can google search that fucking shit.”
That darn Barnes – - can’t believe he hasn’t ever coached his players how to inbound the ball. Perhaps the rule needs to be changed to allow the inbound the play instead of having to depend on a player.
by Joseph Nunn on Mar 20, 2011 9:09 PM CDT reply actions
Why was Corey throwing the ball in? Not sure if I’ve seen a good answer on that.
by Texoz on Mar 20, 2011 9:11 PM CDT reply actions
why the hell did Barnes tell the team to call a timeout on the rebound and put CJ in that position? dear in the headlights with that hardheaded sob sometimes…
and go get the fucking ball hamilton, you had a clean run to the inbounds pass….
by ballrific on Mar 20, 2011 9:12 PM CDT reply actions
Nunn, maybe Barnes should recruit fucking players who can inbound the ball then. Jesus. To think, I’d feel much worse if I weren’t under such heavy sedation.
by Michael St .Hubbins on Mar 20, 2011 9:12 PM CDT reply actions
As soon as Hamilton called the TO – terrible move – I knew we were toast. Barnes has never had a go-to play to inbound the ball under pressure. This is not a new situation for us at all. Something similar happened on one of the Boddicker teams.
In the heat of the moment I felt Barnes was a f*ing idiot. I don’t put this on the kids. Now that I’ve cooled off, I feel Barnes is a f*ing idiot.. This kind of tourney exit is the best we’re every really going to get from him. Yeah, I know he brought us from the basketball wasteland. Don’t care anymore; we don’t owe him a thing, in the exact same way we didn’t owe Jody f*ing Conradt an extra 20 years because we used to be an AIAW powerhouse.
Nit picking a little, but was the freshman guard who has clearly been struggling some the best choice to inbound in that situation?
F* Zona. F* Josh Pastner. And his Dad.
by Black Scholes on Mar 20, 2011 9:13 PM CDT reply actions
maybe the problem is we need a strong pg that has a high bb IQ to be the field general so there’s not as much pressure on Barnes. I like this team. They have some quality pieces. Wangmene needs to work with some coaches and spend some time in the starting offense so he can be reliable down the stretch as well. He shows some flashes and we’re going to need a strong presence in the middle next year.
by kemit on Mar 20, 2011 9:15 PM CDT reply actions
Joseph, Stevens designed a play in the last 10 seconds of the game vs. Pitt that yielded a layup against one of the nation’s best defensive teams. And we can’t inbound the ball against one of the tournament’s worst defensive teams. Go sell stupid somewhere else.
by Trips Right on Mar 20, 2011 9:19 PM CDT reply actions
Bah, Trips. You draw up your inbounds play and you teach your guy to call a timeout if it doesn’t work. Look it up on Google: you see that shit all the time.
J’Covan tripped, and then we got fucked by the official, plain and simple. There’s plenty not to like about what Barnes did tonight. This ain’t it, imo.
by PB on Mar 20, 2011 9:19 PM CDT reply actions
don’t forget that JCBrown singlehandedly kept the offense in the game at the end.
by kemit on Mar 20, 2011 9:22 PM CDT reply actions
kabongo dishing to TT, Hamilton, and Brown at SG, with Joseph alternating with Kabongo and Brown…this team next year could be the best yet. Then if Barnes can’t get to at least the SS, get him out of here.
by kemit on Mar 20, 2011 9:30 PM CDT reply actions
What is it they say … “a bad play early in the game is just as bad as one at the end?”
IMO, Hamilton played a horrible game and gagged up a bunch of shit long before that last TO call. His shot choices were terrible all night long … his defense not any better. The game should have never come down to that hectic last few seconds. It was lost in the first half.
by VirginiaLonghorn on Mar 20, 2011 9:33 PM CDT reply actions
Too bad, when telling his players to call a TO when we got the ball back, the thought didn’t rattle around in his head that something could go awry with the inbounds. Inbounding the ball always being an adventure with his teams. Nice touch having CJ be the one to throw it in.
He completely mismanaged this game down the stretch, just like he mismanaged the team in not giving JCB more responsibility by conference play, irreparably stunting its growth.
He’s a great recruiter, or at least has great ones working under him, so maybe we should be thankful for the privilege of having the ability to compete with the big boys on occasion.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 9:35 PM CDT reply actions
“Bah, Trips. You draw up your inbounds play and you teach your guy to call a timeout if it doesn’t work. Look it up on Google: you see that shit all the time. J’Covan tripped, and then we got fucked by the official, plain and simple. There’s plenty not to like about what Barnes did tonight. This ain’t it, imo.”
Bobby Knight criticizes Barnes for not using screens to free up his in bounds target. Barnes usually depends on the target to get open on his own. Brown is a great free throw shooter but he is not a big target and not an explosive athlete. Getting open can be a problem for him. Why not let Jordan set a pick for Brown and either throw it to Brown, throw it to Jordan on the roll, or immediately call timeout? Once you take more than 4 seconds to call a timeout, you are cutting it too close.
Don’t you agree that Barnes’ in bound plays are a weak part of his coaching? How about his offensive coaching?
Why call the timeout in the first place? Why try to take a charge at the end of the game rather than foul hard?
by Kafka on Mar 20, 2011 9:45 PM CDT reply actions
PB, fine. Barnes is cursed. He’ll go down as the only coach in the tournament that can’t inbound the ball with the game on the line because the officials hate him.
by Trips Right on Mar 20, 2011 9:47 PM CDT reply actions
Kafka, look, there’s plenty to be upset with Barnes about for this game. I’m not here to tell critics to shut up. I’ve got my own list of criticisms to grind.
But Barnes didn’t blow this game in the last 10 seconds. He blew it in the first 20 minutes. And it’s silly to focus on the former at the expense of the latter.
That’s all I’m saying.
by PB on Mar 20, 2011 9:48 PM CDT reply actions
PB, we’ll get to the latter. By the way, watch Jordan Hamilton run away from the ball on the inbound play when all he had to do was show and catch. Unbelievable from a guy that wants to play in the NBA.
by Trips Right on Mar 20, 2011 9:52 PM CDT reply actions
I know, I know. Just so depressing. If there’s any bright spot to tonight’s game, it’s that it’s hard to see this group disbanding after this loss. Who knows…
As for Barnes, it’s no secret that I think we’d be fools to replace him, but this season has confirmed what we thought, for a while, he’d moved past: that he needs an elite point guard. That, and he needs to keep pushing himself to grow and improve.
This was a really bad loss. A great second half rally by the kids, but just a bad, bad loss.
#morewhisky
by PB on Mar 20, 2011 9:59 PM CDT reply actions
You mean like Avery Bradley can’t go to the NBA after finishing so poorly in 2010?
by Monahorns on Mar 20, 2011 10:04 PM CDT reply actions
Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake
Chessmaster Savielly Tartakower
by srr50 on Mar 20, 2011 10:07 PM CDT reply actions
PB — I think you could say that for the vast majority of NCAA coaches. Asides from Tom Izzo, no one’s making multiple Final Fours without elite NBA talent. Hell, look at how awful Roy Williams’ UNC team looked when Larry Drew was running the show the last two years.
Is Barnes the best coach in college basketball? No. Has he done an incredible job at Texas? Yes, if you consider what the program was before he got here. Let’s not let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
by tjarks on Mar 20, 2011 10:07 PM CDT reply actions
Actually, I want to retract what I’ve said about the inbounds play. The official has now told fox sports that he counted 5 and then awarded the ball to UA. Video evidence totally contradicts this as he only counted 4. I posted under the assumption that the official didn’t honor the timeout based on the unwritten four count rule. He’s since lied about this, so PB is right. We were porked on that play.
by Trips Right on Mar 20, 2011 10:15 PM CDT reply actions
Michael St .Hubbins said: March 20th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Nunn, maybe Barnes should recruit fucking players who can inbound the ball then. Jesus. To think, I’d feel much worse if I weren’t under such heavy sedation."
Are you saying Cory needs to transfer?
Maybe Pitt’s coach needs to get rid of his player who fouled Matt Howard yesterday?
Here’s the problem – too many of you react with emotion instead of logic. You expect these young players to be perfect – - you have this image of yourself that you would know exactly what to do in the same situation and would always execute perfectly. Sure hope you don’t work for someone who would analyze your every move at work.
by Joseph Nunn on Mar 20, 2011 10:16 PM CDT reply actions
Trips’s comment on inbounding reminded me of what I saw the JV coach at my high school say a few centuries ago.
It was late in the first half and the other team put on pressure and the inbounder called time out.
When they got to the bench, the coach screamed at the inbounder, “Do you know how to get the ball in bounds?” “Yes.” “DO IT!” Then he said the same thing to the guy who was supposed to get open.
They did it, too.
Look, Hamilton’s actions in the last 15 seconds were of a guy who did not want the game on his shoulders. He shouldn’t have called time, and shouldn’t have run away from the ball. (Same thing happened last year when J’Covan gave up the ball to Gary Johnson against Wake Forest when Barnes had told him to keep it and get fouled.) NBA scouts are going to be able to figure this out. Hamilton may as well come back next year. He needs to polish his game and (mostly) gain maturity. If he doesn’t (which, frankly, I expect), it’ll be his loss.
by Bob in Houston on Mar 20, 2011 10:17 PM CDT reply actions
Trips, there’s no way the guy is going to say that he gave Joseph less than five seconds.
by Bob in Houston on Mar 20, 2011 10:19 PM CDT reply actions
Thanks to mainblack:
Texas has 13 tournaments under Barnes in the books. Here’s the damage:
Against teams seeded better than Texas Barnes is: 1-3 (.250)
Against teams seeded worse than Texas Barnes is: 17-10 (.629)
Texas has overstayed it’s seed: 1 time
Texas has under-stayed it’s seed: 6 times
Texas has played to it’s seed: 6 times (3 losses to lower seeds)
He’s 20-19 in the NCAA Tournament all time. He has advanced/coached past his seed one time in 19 years with that year being TJ Ford’s freshman season as a #6 seed in Dallas. He’s 0-5 in 8 vs. 9 games. He’s lost in the first round in nine of 19 trips to the tournament. He’s lost to double digit seeds three times in the first round.
The positive is he’s made the NCAA Tournament 16 years in a row (20-16). He has a Final Four, which is now eight years ago. He has two elite eight’s and several sweet 16′s.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 10:21 PM CDT reply actions
I don’t think the timeout call was that bad – he wanted J’covan to have the ball for free throws in the end. I would not have done that looking back, up 2, and J-ham is a pretty good foul shooter. All he has to make is 1, but still I get it.
It wasn’t Corey’s mistake – He did what he was supposed to do. Try for 4 seconds then call timeout. He got hosed. The video shows it.
Even the last play of the game we got what we wanted. J’Covan driving to the hoop for the bucket and/or the foul.
2 calls and 1 no-call in the last 15 sec. All 3 went their way.
Ballgame.
by SwimTexas on Mar 20, 2011 10:22 PM CDT reply actions
Bob, then it’s indefensible. We talked about the unwritten 4 second rule.
by Trips Right on Mar 20, 2011 10:24 PM CDT reply actions
It just seems that Barnes tightens up in situations like that and it rubs off on the the players.
by ballrific on Mar 20, 2011 10:25 PM CDT reply actions
Swim. I have to totally disagree. There was 14.5 seconds left, 2 pt lead, and ball in hand. Jordan had open court to run down the clock another 2-3 seconds and a chance to ice the game. Jordan is not a bad free throw shooter. Even if Tristan had the ball, a TO is the wrong call. A shooter has to get to him quick and get the ball. The clock was our friend not our enemy at that point.
by Monahorns on Mar 20, 2011 10:26 PM CDT reply actions
PB said: March 20th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
“Kafka, look, there’s plenty to be upset with Barnes about for this game. I’m not here to tell critics to shut up. I’ve got my own list of criticisms to grind.
But Barnes didn’t blow this game in the last 10 seconds. He blew it in the first 20 minutes. And it’s silly to focus on the former at the expense of the latter.
That’s all I’m saying."
Just curious – - how did Barnes blow it in the 1st half.
Here is what the players and Barnes said after the game.
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/tex/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/mbb-tex-quotes-032011.pdf
by Joseph Nunn on Mar 20, 2011 10:28 PM CDT reply actions
Outside of JCB taking the game over in the last 7-8 minutes, we pretty much looked unprepared and played like shit. Barnes also did a good job of killing our momentum early with pointless substitutions.
We looked like how we looked in the tourney, a top 25-30 teams, nothing more. The same team that went to Lawrence and clubbed KU over the head only seven weeks ago. We all know what this team was capable of, and sadly it will be remembered as a first weekend exist, again nothing more.
Only LA’s team was a bigger waste of a ballclub under his watch, losing to an LSU team that went on to get smoked in the final four.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 20, 2011 10:35 PM CDT reply actions
“But Barnes didn’t blow this game in the last 10 seconds. He blew it in the first 20 minutes. And it’s silly to focus on the former at the expense of the latter.”
Who is focusing on the last 10 seconds instead of the first 20 minutes? I made my first 20 minute adjustment recommendations at half time. I review the last 10 seconds of the game right after the game.
You imply that Barnes wanted to get the ball into Brown or call timeout. If you do that, then you have to help Brown get open and you have to give the passer an immediate event that triggers either the pass or the timeout. If you just wait hoping that Brown can work himself open, then it is easy to wait too long. A much better design of the play would be for Jordan to set a pick for Brown and either throw immediately after the pick to Brown or Jordan on the roll. One of the guys would have been open. If neither is immediately open, call timeout. Once you wait 4 seconds, you are taking unnecessary chances.
You cannot expect precise timing on an inbounds play because they don’t use a clock. That is why everyone tries to make the pass in 4 seconds or less. Better to focus on designing and executing the play properly than blaming the ref.
by Kafka on Mar 20, 2011 10:39 PM CDT reply actions
“The positive is he’s made the NCAA Tournament 16 years in a row (20-16). He has a Final Four, which is now eight years ago. He has two elite eight’s and several sweet 16′s.”
Yeah, maybe one of these decades everything we’ll go his way and we’ll get to play a bunch of lower-seeded teams all the way to a title. The strongest team Texas beat during the Final Four run was a 5-seed barely ranked in the top 25. The best the 2006 Elite Eight team managed was a nailbiter win over a 6-seed. The only highly-seeded team any of the FF/EE teams beat in the tourney was 3-seed Stanford in 2008.
The fundamental problem is that Barnes is not a bright man or anything close to being one. A dumb coach can only take you so far.
by JMR on Mar 20, 2011 10:39 PM CDT reply actions
“Even the last play of the game we got what we wanted. J’Covan driving to the hoop for the bucket and/or the foul.”
That should not have been what we wanted. Depending on the ref to call a foul on the last play of the game is not good basketball because refs habitually refuse to decide the game on the last play of the game (let them play is the rule on the last play). Yes, the refs were instructed to call fouls to the end but it is hard to go against many years of ingrained experience and habituation.
by Kafka on Mar 20, 2011 10:48 PM CDT reply actions
Trips, that four-second rule, IIRC, was an interpretation that permitted the ref not to give the timeout in the fifth second. He could, but he didn’t have to. So the inbounder would have five seconds, but spent the last one asking for the time out, which was not granted.
If I’m the ref, I sure don’t say that I’m not sure if I gave five seconds. I’ll always say I did. As far as that goes, I’m sure he thought he did, even though I don’t think he did. Even so, I’ve seen it done frequently.
And I am compelled to point out that Arizona definitely got the benefit of the doubt on a time out granted on Friday in the last 30 seconds that should have been a tie ball.
by Bob in Houston on Mar 20, 2011 10:54 PM CDT reply actions
This debate about the five second call needs to end. It could have been easily avoided had Jordan Hamilton not called Timeout after grabbing that rebound. He was not trapped, or even pressured. All he had to do was wait for the foul to come.
That’s either terrible coaching, or a very athletic kid who is dumb as rocks.
by EPLonghorn on Mar 20, 2011 11:06 PM CDT reply actions
Nunn,
Penders made it to the great 8 with two phenoms, Lance Blanks and Travis Mays (with a side of Joey Wright). It was junk runnin’ horns offense with player manufactured wins. Butler is all roll players running crisp sets and a hand. You’re right, time will tell with Stevens, but I’m not sure about that analogy.
You are also right that the above posts are based on emotion, but your “logic” is willfully blind. Whether it is inbound sets, mismanaged and awkward lineups, poor implementation of offensive sets not of his own creation, his emotional drain on his players, his inability to adapt when play 1 and 2 don’t work (see – his ability to be scouted), or the fact that -we have seen all this and more time and again for 12+ years, what exactly does he do right besides bring the talent here in the first place?
Make no mistake, if he didn’t have a job at UT in Austin, Texas with all it’s resources and perks, we would never get big name players. The guy makes more in a year than most in their lifetime, so fuck him if it hurts to hear these armchair criticisms.
Other than that, plenty of blame to be made on the players – poor shot selection, lack of heart (GJ), etc. – except I agree with you that making such plays under collegiate pressure and pace is much harder than most would realize, and credit should be given to those who can do it even marginally well.
by CheckersYourself on Mar 20, 2011 11:33 PM CDT reply actions
Well … we’re not the only team/fanbase undergoing misery tonight.
Syracuse, Notre Dame, Purdue all crash and burn. How ’bout that Big East?
And the committee looks like a bunch of geniuses for bringing in VCU. Man.
by CrazyJoeDavola on Mar 21, 2011 12:01 AM CDT reply actions
It was terrible coaching. I am so beyond pissed at Barnes I am still stewing at midnight. DAMN BARNES NO BODY helps the other team in that situation. J Ham could have easily run the clock down 4-5 more secs wait for the foul. This is a microcosm of a bigger problem. A stupid coach over coaching and coaching the offense out of his team to the point where they have NO confidence. A baller dribbles around a while gets the foul and nails the FT"s.
God I am pissed at Barnes. DUMB ASS DUMB ASS DUMB ASS. He should have had J Cov on the fricken court early this year instead we got the Doge O? How the fuck do u lose up 2 with the ball with 12 secs left. Damn Barnes .
by Roostrman on Mar 21, 2011 12:10 AM CDT reply actions
1. Good find, Drew.
2. Probably weak attempts at consolation/rationalization, but I’ll try them anyway:
a) This team was not going on to win the National Championship this year anyway, even if they had beaten Arizona.
b) It’s not like we were a 33-2 team that suffered a shocking, devastating upset by a clear underdog.
c) Imagine losing a game like this in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME, instead of the round of 32. It’s bad enough as it is, but imagine THAT.
by GigoloJoe on Mar 21, 2011 12:18 AM CDT reply actions
CheckersYourself said: March 20th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Nunn,
Penders made it to the great 8 with two phenoms, Lance Blanks and Travis Mays (with a side of Joey Wright). It was junk runnin’ horns offense with player manufactured wins. Butler is all roll players running crisp sets and a hand. You’re right, time will tell with Stevens, but I’m not sure about that analogy.
You are also right that the above posts are based on emotion, but your "logic" is willfully blind. Whether it is inbound sets, mismanaged and awkward lineups, poor implementation of offensive sets not of his own creation, his emotional drain on his players, his inability to adapt when play 1 and 2 don’t work (see – his ability to be scouted), or the fact that -we have seen all this and more time and again for 12+ years, what exactly does he do right besides bring the talent here in the first place?
Make no mistake, if he didn’t have a job at UT in Austin, Texas with all it’s resources and perks, we would never get big name players. The guy makes more in a year than most in their lifetime, so fuck him if it hurts to hear these armchair criticisms.
Other than that, plenty of blame to be made on the players – poor shot selection, lack of heart (GJ), etc. – except I agree with you that making such plays under collegiate pressure and pace is much harder than most would realize, and credit should be given to those who can do it even marginally well.
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Saying Penders had 2 great players is like:
Mack had Vince and Colt;
Phil Jackson had Michael and Kobe etc, etc.
The real problem for Texas is our star players leave the program early and Barnes has to start over each season with the new phenoms who are NBA talented but inexperienced.
Cory Joseph – Freshman
Tristan Thompson – Freshman
Jordan Hamilton – Soph
J’Covan Brown – Soph
So you can coach them correctly in practice, etc, but they are still freshmen who are going to make mistakes.
Also remember that Barnes’ final 4 was with TJ and most of our remaining star players being juniors or seniors.
Now let’s look at Kansas
Morris Twins – Juniors
3 Senior / Junior Guards
If Barnes NBA players stay at least until their junior year, imagine what the program MAY have achieved.
Bradley – 1 and done.
Durant – 1 and done.
Augustine – 2 and done.
Gibson – 2 and done.
LaMarcus – 2 and done (misses big chunk of freshman year).
TJ Ford – 2 and done.
Even PJ Tucker who stupidly left after 3 seasons.
Imagine if our star players stick around like the Kansas and Duke players. Imagine if they did what the Florida players did who came back for their senior seasons to win a national championship. Imagine if our players stick around like the players at Duke and Kansas.
So if we want to correctly analyze the difficulties with Texas basketball – - difficulty defined as not advancing consistently to a sweet 16, elite 8, final 4, let’s begin with Barnes having to start new each season.
You know there is a reason this team was not in the Top 25 at the beginning of the season – starting 2 freshmen. The players and Barnes over achieved, not under achieved.
But I know, I know – - We’re Texas (thumping my chest) and that means by God, we are deemed pre destined to be great no matter the ages / experience of our players.
That is the context we should be discussing Rick Barnes and Texas Basketball.
In my opinion! :)
by Joseph Nunn on Mar 21, 2011 1:00 AM CDT reply actions
Just look at Texas basketball’s history pre-Rick Barnes. This is not football; we have trouble selling out conference games against top 25 opponents like Missouri. Recruits aren’t coming here for the tradition, the school or the fan-base; they’re coming here because Barnes and his staff have a proven track record of developing players for the next level.
by tjarks on Mar 21, 2011 1:19 AM CDT reply actions
Too long, couldn’t read. ↑
Barnes should take the NC State gig. Win – win.
I think we can absolutely improve the Xs and Os. The recruiting is the wild card. Kind of an important one though. Are we sure all of the Canadian kids know that UT is their national/provincial (i.e. state) school? That we want to win with kids from Canada who come from good families and get good grades?
by Black Scholes on Mar 21, 2011 1:29 AM CDT reply actions
The Drum is an awful environment and always has been. And I’m not defending the blue hairs. But where are all of these programs that are constant sell-outs with unbelievable support? I know they exist in some number, but I think the magnitude is grossly overstated.
by Black Scholes on Mar 21, 2011 1:33 AM CDT reply actions
I looked at the link Drew posted. The official counted with his arm 4 times and then called the 5 second violation. Looking at the clock in the lower left corner (provided by Youtube, I guess), it looks like the ref hands the ball to Cory at 1 second elapsed and Cory calls time just before 7 seconds. If that clock is accurate, it seems like 5 seconds probably elapsed before the ref called the violation. BTW, Cory was not looking at the refs arm motion as the ref was counting and did not even realize the violation had been called at first.
by Kafka on Mar 21, 2011 2:07 AM CDT reply actions
Black Scholes — Recruiting is MUCH more important than X and O’s. And say what you want about Barnes’ coaching acumen, but he’s consistently gotten NBA first-rounders and lottery types to Austin — Aldridge, Gibson, Durant, Ford, Hamilton, Bradley, Thompson and Kabongo could have played pretty much anywhere in the country. And if you think keeping a basketball recruiting pipe-line at a football school is easy, look how quickly OU fell off the map after the Blake Griffin era.
by tjarks on Mar 21, 2011 2:15 AM CDT reply actions
>>Saying Penders had 2 great players is like:
>>Mack had Vince and Colt;
>>Phil Jackson had Michael and Kobe etc, etc.
I Disagree, and I think you missed my point. The year that we made it that deep with Penders, we relied exclusively on star power. Go back and watch the tape if you want. Beyond BMW we literally had no one. Football doesn’t translate to basketball analogies and well, Phil probably wouldn’t have won championships without Michael and Kobe. ;)
>>The real problem for Texas is our star players leave the program early and Barnes has to >>start over each season with the new phenoms who are NBA talented but inexperienced….
Hey man, I’m not the type to froth at the mouth and disagree for the sake of it. I agree this certainly plays a factor. I just don’t think that gives Barnes a pass. He still makes the same significant mistakes every year and only seems to make headway to solving them when he stops being stubborn and accepts outside advice. I’ve been watching UT basketball for over 20 years, and the Barnes era has been great. But when you build a program to be high profile, this is the pressure that comes along with it.
And just to be devil’s advocate…
Syracuse 2003 winning team:
Carmelo – freshman
McNamara – freshman
Warrick – sophomore
It’s not like it can’t be done. Fact is the high profile teams that have been winning it for years have long dealt with losing players early.
by CheckersYourself on Mar 21, 2011 2:40 AM CDT reply actions
Anyone saying that the last three years are some new evidence of Barnes’ idiocy did not watch UT basketball four years ago, when we had the best college player in the last decade-plus and we lost the first weekend. The choicest moment that season was when we were up 3 at the end of regulation in the Big 12 Final and we came out in a single-man full-court pick-up that converted into a 2-3 zone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMwMRFzDAmg
This year is deja vu all over again. It’s a simple matter of Barnes being extremely dumb and a horrible coach. And since no one in Texas gives a shit about basketball and he continues to recruit well we are stuck with him forever. Quit getting your hopes up. We will never win anything with this moron as our coach.
by Barnestarded on Mar 21, 2011 5:11 AM CDT reply actions
Is it just me, or does Cartmell spend a significant amount of time doing Pac-10 games? 14 this year?
by Pac-10 Official? on Mar 21, 2011 7:09 AM CDT reply actions
I kind of expected to see a lot of groaning about the refs here, but i should have realized you guys would have burrowed in on what the real problem was yesterday.
Tough one, boys. Inexplicable. Unforgivable.
by Ag_in_TX on Mar 21, 2011 8:03 AM CDT reply actions
Is Kabongo a VY/Ford type, once a decade point guard? If so, he might help Barnes get to the 2nd weekend but I don’t see us getting to another final four unless we make an x’s and o’s change.
You can’t have your leader on the sideline brain freezing every time a tight situation like that comes up. Isn’t that what the assistants are for? “Um, coach, I don’t think we should call the TO there, Zona has no timeouts left and they will have to foul”. Come on Ogden!
I think Barnes was just that petrified with no confidence in his team’s free throw issues and probably assumed TT or GG would get the rebound and clank the freebies, so he panicked.
Say what you want about our shit 1st half performance, but this loss is on the coach, again. Hell, if JCB doesn’t go dwayne wade, we lose by double digits to a much inferior team.
by ballrific on Mar 21, 2011 9:22 AM CDT reply actions
Trips,
I posted under the assumption that the official didn’t honor the timeout based on the unwritten four count rule.
Fuzzy officiating ruins basketball. An unwritten rule? Seriously? What the fuck is that? Referees should enforce the rules as written. This isn’t the fucking English Court of Exchequer.
by BrickHorn on Mar 21, 2011 9:22 AM CDT reply actions
OK, this blog is as hard to read as that game was to watch. It’s just more sad realization of what happened last night. One thing I couldn’t help but wonder white watching the game yesterday: was it just the position of the microphonees being closer to a group of Arizona fans, or did our fans do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to at least give a partial sense of a home field advantage? Everytime we set up our offense, I heard a “Defense!” chant, and every time we were on D, all I could hear was, “U of A!!!, U of A!!!!.” I didn’t evenhear our fans get loud until we retook the lead on a J’Covan Brown and-1 with about 3 minutes left…. and then we took him out of the game. My point: We played that game in Tulsa, HOW IN THE HELL DID WE NOT GET SOME PSYCHOTIC FACEPAINTING FANS UP THERE AND MAKE SOME NOISE. Lets remeber one key aspect of our fanhood guys: We are Texas. Sorry for sounding pompous and conceited, but we are bigger of a nation than just about anyone we will ever face. Why do we not utilize that? We should intimidate people. I’m not saying this is completely the fans’ fault or anything, it just seemed like we were catatonic for yesterday’s game. We are Texas, and we should have had those California castoffs voting Republican by the time they were leaving Tulsa. Wake up Longhorn fans!!!! Remember the fucking Alamo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Pat in Chicago on Mar 21, 2011 9:24 AM CDT reply actions
brick, see the rule of verticality as fuzzy officiating that’s never enforced.
by Trips Right on Mar 21, 2011 9:32 AM CDT reply actions
This loss has revealed to me the reality that I care far, far too much about Texas athletics. I am fucking incensed. My night was ruined last night, and the first thing I thought when I woke up this morning was, “That motherfucker had only counted four seconds.”
I want his head. I want someone to call him out for what he is: a liar. I want him to sit in a room with the replay and try to explain how he can have five seconds before the timeout, yet the whistle didn’t come until after the timeout. That is some bullshit.
For all you blowhards saying, “We wouldn’t have beat Duke anyway,” or, “anyone who thinks this team was winning a national championship is delusional,” well…..fuck you. I’m a Texas fan. I bleed burnt orange. If they’re in, they’ve still got a shot. I’m glad I wasn’t sitting next to you with 5 minutes left in Pasadena in ’05.
Funny thing is, I never thought I would be this pissed over a basketball game. But I am. And now I have come to the realization that Texas athletics probably plays far too prominent a role in my life, because my attitude shouldn’t be dependent on a fucking liar in a striped shirt, and on a bunch of 18 and 19 year old kids who I don’t know, will never meet, and can’t relate to.
Shit. Just shit.
by Orangeblood79 on Mar 21, 2011 9:47 AM CDT reply actions
One more thing, before I give up entirely.
Lots of people piling on Barnes for his coaching, which was certainly questionable. But you know what pisses me off the most about Barnes? He never fucking fights for his team. Did you see Sean Miller when he thought Williams had gotten fouled with 15 seconds left? The dude was incensed. Enraged. He stared the officials down, screamed at them, and fucking let them know that they blew it. Right or wrong, he stood up for his team…and who knows if it didn’t play in the back of that referee’s mind when he made the five second call on the very next damn play.
When was the last time you saw Barnes berate an official, or stare one down, or go ape shit in a postgame presser? But not…instead, we get a five second call, and Barnes calls his players over saying, “We’re alright, we’re alright.” FUCK THAT. Get in the middle of the floor, and unleash a tirade on Burr and his buffoons. Stick up for your team for one damn time in your life. I’m sick of this shitty officiating.
Shit. Just shit.
by Orangeblood79 on Mar 21, 2011 9:58 AM CDT reply actions
Orangeblood79: I feel ya, amigo. I was in Pasadena in 05, and I was the guy screaming (while down 10 with 5 minutes to go) "Lets slam two more miller lites and lets fucking score!!!!!!. Dang, this one really hurts. And I agree: You can’t say, “we would have lost to Duke, anyway.” Duke lost to Clemson a couple weeks ago and could have easily lost to Michigan, we definitely had a shot. I’m not saying we were the best team in the nation, but we were at one point. We had a shot against anyone, and if this loss does’n’t hurt for you, then you don’t remember what it felt like to win a championship in ’05.
Fuck… man…. Fuck!!!!!!!!
Ok… Breath
Hook ’em
by Pat in Chicago on Mar 21, 2011 10:07 AM CDT reply actions
Orangeblood79,
Getting a technical foul wouldn’t have done any good there. If we play good defense we win the game. It was in his best interest to stay calm and keep the team focused.
Heart breaking, but all of this knee jerk Barnes bashing is pretty sad.
by texasengr on Mar 21, 2011 10:18 AM CDT reply actions
texasengr,
There are plenty of ways to get your point across without getting a technical foul. Sean Miller did it just fine, and possibly even influenced the five second call.
I didn’t say get a technical foul. I said stick up for your fucking team.
by Orangeblood79 on Mar 21, 2011 10:20 AM CDT reply actions
And for the record, despite Rick’s mental challenges, we stood a great chance to beat Duke. Their frontline is way too soft to handle ours—I would’ve loved to see a Plumlee try guarding TT straight up—and we defend the 3 point line (yesterday notwithstanding) and guard penetration as well as anyone in the country. Hamilton would’ve been a handful for Singler on D, which would’ve slowed him down overall. The reason why this stings so badly is that we were good enough to beat Duke, but we played bad enough to lose to Nebraska. And it happens all the time, and it’s usually because our coach does several really stupid things, like call timeout for no reason when the other team is out of TOs and has to foul us.
by Barnestarded on Mar 21, 2011 10:30 AM CDT reply actions
texasengr said: March 21st, 2011 at 8:18 am
Orangeblood79,
Getting a technical foul wouldn’t have done any good there. If we play good defense we win the game. It was in his best interest to stay calm and keep the team focused.
Heart breaking, but all of this knee jerk Barnes bashing is pretty sad.
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Absolutely. Texs fans going Aggie is yucky.
by Joseph Nunn on Mar 21, 2011 10:42 AM CDT reply actions
Barnes,
" And it happens all the time, and it’s usually because our coach does several really stupid things, like call timeout for no reason when the other team is out of TOs and has to foul us."
Hamilton called the timeout. Has it been determined that he was instructed to do so by Barnes?
by texasengr on Mar 21, 2011 10:53 AM CDT reply actions
Yes. Barnes told his guys to call a timeout.
No coach in their right mind calls a timeout there when the other team has none, you have a two point lead, and can ice the game at the other end with free throws after killing some clock.
Pretty basic shit.
by Vasherized on Mar 21, 2011 11:05 AM CDT reply actions
If Thompson or Doge had pulled down the rebound in that situation, I can see calling the timeout. But Hamilton should have kept the ball, ran the clock down to seven or eight seconds, and then iced the game at the line.
Barnes should have said “If Hamilton or Joseph gets the rebound, don’t call a timeout”.
Or hell, even Wangmene. He shoots like 80% at the line for some reason.
by nordberg on Mar 21, 2011 11:12 AM CDT reply actions
Got to get off this blog. The more I read the more pissed I get. I got a case of the monday’s Big Time. I’m ready to roll to Checker’s and start slaimming beers and unloading rounds towards pieces of flare
by Pat in Chicago on Mar 21, 2011 11:13 AM CDT reply actions
All this Barnes bashing? Yeah, poor Rick doesn’t deserve any of this, we should just be content with paying someone top 5 money and getting top 20 returns, mixed in with bone head coaching year in and year out. Not to mention losing and wearing out the team mentally and physically the last 2 years by the time February rolls around.
That planned TO by the coaching staff after the rebound was retarded. I think everyone is also overlooking our last possession/drawn up “play”. Pretty sure Barnes didn’t fucking have one unless he told JCB to "’take your time dribbling the ball up, run all the time off and limit our chance for a put back and hope we get a foul call’ . He didn’t draw that up because he didn’t draw anything up.
Does anyone know if Rick was asked about the timeout during the PC?
by ballrific on Mar 21, 2011 11:19 AM CDT reply actions
Hopefully Rick devotes a good portion of his offseason time to figuring out why his teams always run out of gas in January/February.
by nordberg on Mar 21, 2011 11:23 AM CDT reply actions
just out of curiousity — has it been confirmed that Barnes had instructed the team to call a TO off a missed shot with 14 seconds left? on one level, I get it. JB was the man from the line. I’ve called him the nuts of the team all year long and I think he proved that yesterday. that said, there was NO ONE around Hamilton when he grabbed that ball. UA players weren’t even trying to foul. looked like Gary and JH were calling for the TO, leading to my assumption it was bench mandated.
and that just doesn’t make sense to me. if a post guy catches a board? sure. but Hamilton is a 78% shooter. he really only needs to hit one to ensure we don’t lose. of course hindsight is 20/20, but I have to question the decision.
a couple other comments:
- suggesting that the Butler coach is comparable to Penders is just too lol. seriously. so amusing. while that Butler team did have a lottery pick on last year’s team, they are pretty much a lineup full of well coached players who will never play in the league. they are well coached and that’s why they’ve enjoyed success. I never would suggest that any Penders team was ever labeled as “well coached” by anybody. they were the essentially the basketball verion of an Ornette Coleman album.
- scrutinizing Barnes coaching ability is not “knee jerk.” well, certainly not by all commentators. this is just another example of us underachieving or playing to our seed — not exceeding our expected result.
I’d like to believe that we’ll be great with Kabongo here. we certainly go a lot deeper in the tourney when a lottery-bound PG is driving the bus. it’s great that Barnes has been so good during the regular season. he’s clearly taken the program to another level. we’ve put a ton of guys into the league and that really matters in recruiting.
but there is a perception, not limited to Texas fans, that Barnes is not a “tourney coach.” this UA game did nothing to dispell that. in fact, it only advances the argument that we are not prone to overachieving under Barnes in the tourney.
Barnes is defensible. you can make arguments for him. for better or for worse, the 5-second call will be the excuse for this game. just like great defensive gameplans, Gary Johnson clanking FT’s against Wake Forest and the myriad of other excuses advanced by those wishing to defend a trend that has been clearly established during the tenure of Barnes.
by txsa on Mar 21, 2011 11:24 AM CDT reply actions
25 first half points against Arizona is inexcusable.
by Trips Right on Mar 21, 2011 11:34 AM CDT reply actions
It’s taken me a night and a morning to get over last night’s loss and be able to write this. Unlike most of you, this has been my first real season of basketball (I went to UT during the Leon Black era when roundball was a meek and homely sports stepchild).
Oh, I watched and enjoyed many of the Barnes teams with regularity. Baseball I can watch and see the game within the game. Football too when I choose to put my mind to it. But basketball has always been nothing but a spectacle of athletic activity for me… fun to watch, easy to forget.
Then Trips Right wrote a fevered game analysis this season here at BC. Ordinarily, his stuff is right over my head, PhD discourse wasted on an incoming freshman. But that one hit home, and I got a wee bit of a grasp of the game. I reinforced that with some internet searches and steady readings of his game breakdowns. At the same time, Scip and others were analyzing players, coaching, opponents and other aspects of the game.
Result. I got into it. I watched games with new insight and new enjoyment. It was a great season and a great experience. First time I’ve ever lived and died with the results of roundball. My hat’s off to Barnes and the team—they proved fun and easy to care about. As for BC, all I can say is it’s well worth every penny of the subscription! Thanks all!
by OldTimeHorn on Mar 21, 2011 11:35 AM CDT reply actions
OK, then I owe Hamilton an apology for the time out call. But there’s still no excuse for him looping around the court on the inbound attempt. They needed him or Brown to shoot those free throws. He needed to be available.
by Bob in Houston on Mar 21, 2011 11:58 AM CDT reply actions
Vash, just curious but how do you know Barnes told the team to call the TO? Not saying he didn’t mind you, but I haven’t seen anything in print either and, if he mentioned it in post game, I obviously missed it.
Thanks in advance for a response.
by Frank the Plank on Mar 21, 2011 12:16 PM CDT reply actions
Just posting this to take it over 500. What’s the record around here?
by Frank the Plank on Mar 21, 2011 12:18 PM CDT reply actions
I feel your pain orangeblood. I went outside after the final buzzer and threw a metal chair into my yard. Physically, the legs of the chair implanted themselves into my yard. Then, I threw a football at the chair, then the fence, then the chair again. Then I sulked on BC and typed some thoughts. All in all, about a 30 minute session of pouting. I felt ridiculous afterwards. I should have just taken a few shots of booze.
by uthookem on Mar 21, 2011 12:18 PM CDT reply actions
Yea I was pretty mad about this game too, than I remembered that it’s just ten guys in shorts and tank-tops running around a hard-wood court throwing a ball through a ten-foot cylinder. It’s not like it’s football or anything.
This is not Pittsburgh, where a bunch of seniors who bled for the program got a raw deal to end their career. Asides from Gary Jonson, I’m not really feeling bad for any of UT’s seniors. This is Texas — we’ll continue to get really tall guys who jump high in the air to come here; some of the will shoot the ball, some of them will dribble it and some of them will pass it.
We’ll have plenty more chances to compete in the annual contest to see which group of “student-athletes” can throw a ball into a cylinder more often.
by tjarks on Mar 21, 2011 12:33 PM CDT reply actions
You’re not going to find a bigger fan of organized ball-throwing contests than me, especially considering I spent most of my childhood training to be a ball-thrower. But it’s really not anything worth getting that worked up over.
by tjarks on Mar 21, 2011 12:37 PM CDT reply actions
Ballrific,
Excellent point. And not unfamiliar at all. Does anyone remember the play that preceded the Chalmers 3 in that same 2007 Big 12 Tourney Final? Another bothced inbounds play where Kansas is poised to foul, Durant and Augustin can’t get open despite that the are both 90% FT shooters, no one sets any screens or really even moves very much and eventually the ball goes in to Craig Winder, a 50-something % FT shooter, whereupon Coach Bonehead can be seen yelling from the sideline “not to Craig, not to Craig!” And Craig of course goes 1 of 2, setting the stage for Chalmers 3 over a 2-3 zone. And then there was the play at the end of OT where the shoe was on the other foot and we were down three. Barnes appeared to draw up a play that was something like “D.J. you dribble out the clock for 20 seconds and then drive left and heave something at the basket and we’ll cross our fingers that the refs bail you out.” The hallmark of a Barnes implosion is a whole sequence of dumb decisions that are all necessary to complete the collapse, just like yesterday. And I think I’d take just about any other coach in division 1 to draw up a play in the last minute of a game over Barnes.
Even the whole notion of running the Bobby Knight motion offense this year was ultimately short-sighted and dumb, and huge waste of JHam and JCB’s talents. It worked great for ten games, but once people had tape and could game plan it wasn’t hard for opponents to adjust. It’s a 25 year old relic of an offense for a reason—in the meantime Jordan et. al. changed the sport to favor offenses that feature at least some threat of a penetrator off the dribble keying the movement, rather than some old timey pass and cut model. And lo and behold, once we finally start penetrating with ten minutes to go in the second half we climb right back into the game. It’s like he’s waiting just long enough to make sure we can’t make any mistakes in order to pull off the win, and then he proceeds to make several mistakes.
Like I said, he’s a phenomenal recruiter, and that’s the most important skill a D1 coach can have. But he needs to give up the basketball part of the job and/or fire his assistants, and then hire some assistants who handle the actual Xs and Os. It’s all so very Mack/GDGDesque.
by Barnestarded on Mar 21, 2011 12:47 PM CDT reply actions
“a couple other comments:
- suggesting that the Butler coach is comparable to Penders is just too lol. seriously. so amusing. while that Butler team did have a lottery pick on last year’s team, they are pretty much a lineup full of well coached players who will never play in the league. they are well coached and that’s why they’ve enjoyed success. I never would suggest that any Penders team was ever labeled as "well coached" by anybody. they were the essentially the basketball verion of an Ornette Coleman album."
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Stevens – a 4 year head coach in a lousy conference and a couple of lucky wins due to other teams brain farts. The emotion around him is exactly how Texas fans fawned over Penders when he came here from Rhode Island.
If I were Steven’s, Texas is the last bb job I would want.
by Joseph Nunn on Mar 21, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions
What’s with the shitting on Brad Stevens? He was about six inches from winning a national championship at fucking Butler, and has them in the Sweet 16 a year later.
by nordberg on Mar 21, 2011 1:05 PM CDT reply actions
Nunn,
You don’t make it to the NCAA finals as a mid-major school and almost win the fucking thing against Duke by sheer luck.
Then knock off a #1 seed the next year after losing your best player.
We get it, you don’t think Stevens or Butler is worth a shit. The fact you keep repeating this obtuse drivel doesn’t make it accurate.
Stevens actually coaches defense, something Tom never even cared to learn and unapologetically dismissed it as even being relevant to winning basketball games.
by Vasherized on Mar 21, 2011 1:08 PM CDT reply actions
Stevens – a 4 year head coach in a lousy conference and a couple of lucky wins due to other teams brain farts. The emotion around him is exactly how Texas fans fawned over Penders when he came here from Rhode Island.
A couple of “brain farts” doesn’t get you an 8-3 record in the NCAA tournament, especially with mid-major talent.
Penders went to the NCAA’s once before getting to Texas. He got to the Sweet 16 – and that is it. His wins over Syracuse and Missouri got him the job here.
Stevens has been to the NCAA’s all four years, and has regular-season wins over Michigan, Ohio State (twice), Florida State and hell, I’ll even throw in Bobby Knight at Tech.
Now can he recruit elite players? Who knows, but he can sure as hell coach.
by srr50 on Mar 21, 2011 2:01 PM CDT reply actions
Butler may be one of the smartest teams I’ve ever seen over the past two seasons, with the lone exception being Mack’s foul on the Pitt guy. They run exceptional offensive sets and guard your ass. The play after the TO to go up by two on pitt was a thing of beauty, executed against one of the best defenses in the tournamentwith a non-star (not Howard or Mack) scoring the bucket.
Stevens is the real deal, and I honestly hink his shelf life at Butler will expire sooner because of what he’s done this year compared to what he did last last year.
by Frank the Plank on Mar 21, 2011 2:08 PM CDT reply actions
I have never been a Barnes basher, and thought he had “coached up” this team earlier in the year, but the early exits, late-game meltdown’s, and lack of titles are growing tiresome. His teams are solid, competitive, play hard and rarely get embarrassed. Witness 3 regular season B12 titles and top 3 finishes virtually every year. However, 0-6 in B12 Tourney title games and only one Final Four are revealing. I hope he learns the following lessons:
1) Never have an 80% FT shooter call time-out with the ball and the lead, the clock running with 14 seconds to go and the other team with no timeouts.
2) Have an experienced post-player inbound the ball.
3) Tell your players to deny the shot rather than draw a charge NO MATTER WHAT with a 2-3 pt lead.
4) Never waste your last TO BEFORE the opposing FT shooter shoots a deciding FT with under 10 sec.
5) Have an option/play other than letting your hot player dribble drive with the game on the line. The offense, whatever it is, becomes way to predictable.
Crunch time has never been his strong suit, learn some composure.
by TypeO on Mar 21, 2011 2:25 PM CDT reply actions
Barnstarded, I think Dicky Barnes’ late game coaching decisions could be described as a Rube Goldberg of fail.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 21, 2011 2:25 PM CDT reply actions
If he tries to force Kabongo into a Knight motion offense next year, I’m going to picket the drum on game days and otherwise I’ll be outside Deloss Dodd’s window. I haven’t decided yet on whether to go with a simple “Fire Barnes” sign, or something with a little more flair like “Barnes is a jackass” and then dress in a donkey suit.
by Barnestarded on Mar 21, 2011 2:49 PM CDT reply actions
Orangeblood 79, I was trying to make it hurt a little less for all of us. (By saying I didn’t think the team could have won the National Championship, even if we had beaten Arizona.) I bleed Burnt Orange too, believe me.
Re: Barnes: we are in a classic dilemma. It would be absurd to “fire” him. He has done well overall. And yet, he has plateaued. Similar in some ways to Jeff Fisher and the Titans. Maybe it would be best for a velvet divorce, giving both sides a fresh start.
by GigoloJoe on Mar 21, 2011 3:01 PM CDT reply actions
I’ll ask again – what is a guy who officiates 14 Pac-10 games a year doing on that crew? Why is he 4-counting a 5-count? Why does video of his other 5 counts give the in-bounding team a full 5 extensions of the arm?
I am not saying he deliberately made a bad call, but there’s no question his familiarity with the Pac-10 and Arizona colored his perceptions down the stretch.
by Pac-10 Official? on Mar 21, 2011 3:02 PM CDT reply actions
“2. Probably weak attempts at consolation/rationalization, but I’ll try them anyway:
a) This team was not going on to win the National Championship this year anyway, even if they had beaten Arizona.
b) It’s not like we were a 33-2 team that suffered a shocking, devastating upset by a clear underdog.
c) Imagine losing a game like this in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME, instead of the round of 32. It’s bad enough as it is, but imagine THAT."
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You were right in your introduction. Weak.
by JMR on Mar 21, 2011 3:07 PM CDT reply actions
Joe…
Certainly wasn’t directing my diatribe at you, and am certainly not questioning your loyalty to the University. I have heard more of the same from many people in the last day, and truth is, I’m just a bit testy right now.
by Orangeblood79 on Mar 21, 2011 3:11 PM CDT reply actions
And I repeat:
The real problem for Texas is our star players leave the program early and Barnes has to start over each season with the new phenoms who are NBA talented but inexperienced.
Cory Joseph – Freshman
Tristan Thompson – Freshman
Jordan Hamilton – Soph
J’Covan Brown – Soph
So you can coach them correctly in practice, etc, but they are still freshmen who are going to make mistakes.
Also remember that Barnes’ final 4 was with TJ and most of our remaining star players being juniors or seniors.
Now let’s look at Kansas
Morris Twins – Juniors
3 Senior / Junior Guards
If Barnes NBA players stay at least until their junior year, imagine what the program MAY have achieved.
Bradley – 1 and done.
Durant – 1 and done.
Augustine – 2 and done.
Gibson – 2 and done.
LaMarcus – 2 and done (misses big chunk of freshman year).
TJ Ford – 2 and done.
Even PJ Tucker who stupidly left after 3 seasons.
Imagine if our star players stick around like the Kansas and Duke players. Imagine if they did what the Florida players did who came back for their senior seasons to win a national championship. Imagine if our players stick around like the players at Duke and Kansas.
So if we want to correctly analyze the difficulties with Texas basketball – – difficulty defined as not advancing consistently to a sweet 16, elite 8, final 4, let’s begin with Barnes having to start new each season.
You know there is a reason this team was not in the Top 25 at the beginning of the season – starting 2 freshmen. The players and Barnes over achieved, not under achieved.
Now we return you to the emotional rants about this play or that play.
by Joseph Nunn on Mar 21, 2011 3:13 PM CDT reply actions
Re: Barnes: we are in a classic dilemma. It would be absurd to "fire" him. He has done well overall. And yet, he has plateaued. Similar in some ways to Jeff Fisher and the Titans. Maybe it would be best for a velvet divorce, giving both sides a fresh start.
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All true.
Just take the NC State job, Ricky.
by JMR on Mar 21, 2011 3:24 PM CDT reply actions
If your issue is youth, then Barnes needs to start recruiting kids that are great basketball players but are undersized, relatively unathletic, or other NBA deficiencies.
You can’t expect players with a real shot at landing in the lottery to stick around, and it’s not something you can build your program around. It probably also doesn’t help that he has a ‘my way or the highway’ attitude with his players.
We lost this game the way we often lose games under him, his flaws are undeniable and are unlikely to be corrected at this point in his career. I’m glad he tried to go for a fresh look this season on offense, but as others have pointed out, this was either figured out and he couldn’t adjust or we just gave up on it and reverted to our usual shit, which actually became more effective than our new shit.
by Mad Clapper on Mar 21, 2011 3:54 PM CDT reply actions
maybe he’ll throw his name in the hat for the Kentucky job…oh wait. Ricks not going anywhere because he won’t be hired by a better program/school and won’t make half as much…..and I wouldn’t even say we’re a basketball school, so what’s that tell ya.
by ballrific on Mar 21, 2011 4:14 PM CDT reply actions
Excusing Barnes’ performance by saying that our players leave early is a total cop out. First, and most importantly, the fact that or program enables our players’ desire to move on quickly is a huge part of our recent recruiting success. Second, one-and-done is how the college game works now, and has ever since the NBA passed the rule and Syracuse won with Carmelo. Duke has Kyrie Irving this year. UNC has Barnes. Ohio State has Sullivan. Calipari has made it to multiple final fours at different schools with his one-and-done stud recruits (which is not to say that his sleaze should be a model for Texas, but at least he gets results from his talent). In the year we flamed out with our big one-and-done stud, Thad Motta was in the championship game with his, and we also had a lottery pick talent to pair at PG. All the teams that expect to be in the national conversation deal with this issue. None of the other schools that recruit the level of talent we do have so little to show for it in post-season performance over the last eight years. This isn’t a matter of opinion. You simply can’t name another team that has anywhere close to the recruting success we do to go along with such consistent post-seaso underachievement. It’s time for the Barnes apologists to admit the fact that he’s just not a good coach.
In other news, I just came across this doozy, and thought I should share with the group:
http://coachingbetterbball.blogspot.com/2007/10/preparing-for-end-of-games-rick-barnes.html
by Barnestarded on Mar 21, 2011 5:02 PM CDT reply actions
“It’s time for the Barnes apologists to admit the fact that he’s just not a good coach.”
He’s a good coach, but not a national championship level coach. I imagine that Notre Dame fans are saying very similar things today about Mike Brey that we are saying about Rick: “He can only get us so far.” See also: Pitt fans and Jamie Dixon.
The problem is that there are only so many national championship level coaches out there.
by GigoloJoe on Mar 21, 2011 8:13 PM CDT reply actions
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