Taylor Jungmann – His Place In The Longhorn Pitching Pantheon?

It makes ranking the current team difficult. We are a good to very good team without him, unbeatable with him. Baseball being as it is, we are only ‘with him’ once a week. So where do we rank? In a single game, we’re the best in the country IMO. In a three game series, we fall pretty far down the list.

Hooton-Swindell-Jungmann. Facing that trio in that order could make any batter bi-polar.

Calvin Schiraldi as set up — Huston Street as closer.

Patron -
 
Ditto. Basically, I treat any Jungmann start as a win if we can score 3+ and then the next two are coin flips.
 
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 Those are my three exactly.
 
Red Sox fans do not like your Schiraldi rec. F ’em.
 
People forget that Calvin Schiraldi was the consistent star of the staff that had Clemens. Clemens pitched a hell of a postseason though, if I recall.

Pre-injury Dressendorfer vs. Jungmann is a tough call. I will take Dressendorfer just to be contrary.

So nordberg’s three are:
 
JD Smart, Justin Simmons, and Kirk Dressendorfer.
 
Gutty and contrarian. Nice job.

srr has the right three…unless the aliens want to have a fistfight afterwards, then Bobby Layne, James Street and Kieschneck.

I’ve always pictured Rooster Andrews riding Bobby Layne and controlling him like Master Blaster in Thunderdome.
 
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What do you do with the deadened bats this year? This year’s numbers are down for everyone (though not as extreme as Jungmann’s).

I think the aliens stole Chuck Knoblauch’s talent for their Mon-Star team shortstop and forgot to give him back his ‘throw to first base’ skill.

Austin Wood for long relief.

Kieschnick did bring an extra edge with his bat. His pitching wasn’t quite in the class with Jungmann, Hooton, etc., but he was still the ace of his staff. If we’re fielding an offensively-challenged batting order in the other half of the inning I might pick Brooks over Swindell.

JD Smart wore the bill of his cap so low I don’t think he ever actually saw the signals coming from behind the plate.

Would the new deadened bats help their ERA more that wood bats? Not sure exactly what year NCAA started using metal bats but I don’t think any pitcher before the early seventies had to face the metal.

I think 4 of the runs Jungmann allowed were in one start against Mizzo, making the rest of the starts just that much more impressive.

Thinking of closers: who would you pick Killer, Cox or Street?

As a starters, lots of great names – which I think you have to add Jungmann in with the best. Creel, Gideon, Schiraldi, Dressndorfer, Hooten, Kieschnick… Of the ones I remember watching (I saw Hooten and Street Sr., but too young to understand what I was watching): Schiraldi, Dressendorfer, and Jungmann

I don’t remember anyone who could dominate a single game like Greg Swindell. College hitters simply could not catch up to his high fastball.

Jungmann is right up there with the others.

Maybe I’m being contrary, or an asshole, or whatever, but I can’t have Street has my closer I don’t think.

I love the guy, I realize he was a badass, etc etc, but if he would have done his job against Auguie’s old team we would have 1 more CWS championship then we currently do. His job wasn’t easy, but he didn’t do it those 2 days, and that’s just a really big black mark to me.

I think I’d take 1 of the starters that got left off of your final 3 and convert them to closer. I’ve always thought great starters were way more valuable than great closers- if you tell them they only have to get 3-6 outs they can go all out in a way they can’t as a starter.

Look at Eck or Smoltz or a lot of other guys that were good to great starters and then otherworldly as closer’s. Billy Wagner is another example of this.

Now, if it has to be a closer and someone who had that role on the team then I guess you go Street, but otherwise I’d Taylor, Swindell and Hooten and convert 1 of the other guys to closer. Kiesnick or Dressendorfer or some such.

Ducking head for speaking heresy and I’m not bashing Street- it’s just if you only are going to use 4 or 5 arms for a 3 game, winner take all series he isn’t on my list of 5.

Multiple JD Smart references in a post? Now we’re talking! Hell of a nice guy.

Having seen his first game, I’m probably biased . . . but for his era (wood bats, pre-DH), Burt Hooton was the best pitcher in the history of the college game. Or very very close.

1. Hooton
2. Jungmann
3. Swindell
       Jungmann’s stats this year are sick, but he was just about as good with the more lively bat the two previous seasons . . . Swindell had much more lineup help; whether that made him a better (less stressed) pitcher or slightly worse (because one run wasn’t going to beat him) is impossible to determine. . . . Only thing that even puts Hooton in the same universe as the others is that the year after Hooton left, a near-journeyman pitcher named Ron Roznovsky had almost the same ERA (1972) that Hooton had for his three-year career.

Agree on the pre-injury Dressendorfer. He was with the elite group. Jim Gideon (1973-75) was very close to this level. Keith Creel (1978-79) was in there. At their peaks (probably Clemens in 1982, Schiraldi the following year), nobody was better.

Cox had better raw stuff than Huston Street, but it’s hard to argue with Street’s results.