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What is Jim Delany up to?

There was a bit of news the last few days that hasn't really gotten a lot of play and I am curious what you lot think about it.

JIM DELANY WANTS TO PAY PLAYERS TO PLAY FOOTBALL AT MICHIGAN!!!! OMGZ!

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Well, at other schools too. And he is only paying an additional $8.22 a day. In the past Jim negotiated for Kathie Lee Gifford's manufacturing in Honduras.

Gene Wojekrzyzewski reacts here.

Instead of getting a standing ovation for trying to improve the rust-coated system now in place, Delany was accused of grandstanding, of creating a play-for-pay scenario, and of attempting to deflect attention from the stench of Jim Tressel's violations landfill at Ohio State.

Really?

The logic behind some of the criticism makes Homer Simpson look like a Fulbright Scholar. Delany ran a proposal up the flagpole, nothing more. It wasn't an edict, a demand or an ultimatum. It was an idea, a starting point for serious conversation to a serious problem.

Gene is always a great read but I have a hard time seeing an additional $8.22 / day as a serious offer but broaching the subject is pretty serious. And pardon me for not assuming Jim is "all about the kids" on this.

He goes on to admit it gives an advantage to bigger conferences (yawn, I'm fine with that) and he admits that it will have no effect on cheating.

He goes on to say:

"I never used the words, 'play-for-pay,"' says Delany. "I never used the word, 'compensation.' All I said is, 'Can we have a discussion? We'd like to have a discussion about providing a grant-in-aid that corresponds to the cost of education.'

"I never once mentioned that we thought it would undermine cheating. The kinds of comments, and the kinds of headlines, and the kinds of leads are so far removed and so far from what was said, it's pretty hard to understand. … I don't think in any of our discussions internally, or any of the discussions with our staff, or any of the thoughts in my mind was it ever thought about in terms of Ohio State, or agent issues, or any regulatory issues."

The thing about Delany is, he has always moved the Beebes pawns around the chessboard very effectively. Jim is burning a lot of gas telling us what he didn't say and what it won't do. My question is what will it do?

What is Jim up to?

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Delaney’s a shifty cocksucker but he’s smart and he’s much more of a leader than Beebe could dream of being. In this case I think part of his motive was to shift some of the spotlight off his biggest brand, Ohio State, and he was marginally successful in doing that.

With that said I agree with him on a macro level. The problem with these discussions in always in the implementation. I think “compensation” or whatever they want to call it should be tied to academics in some form or fashion. Goodbye Brian Davis you fucking boot licker. Also, it would ideally be implemented across college football at once so no one would have a “recruiting advantage” but in this case if a trailblazer has to pull everyone along than I’m ok with it.

Enforcement usually becomes a sticking point but I would argue that enforcement is atrocious now and if an idea like this ensures actual enforcement from the NCAA and active monitoring maybe we would catch the nefarious shit in a proactive fashion than a reactive one.

I’m sure there’s legit arguments on both sides but I’m ok with the idea in general.

by maninblack on May 25, 2011 2:04 PM CDT reply actions  

“No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance…”
—20 United States Code Section 1681

 
That’s the language in Title IX. And that’s the elephant in the room for anyone who offers a pay scheme for college athletics.
 
There are exactly two revenue sports in college athletics: football and basketball. Everything else is a revenue drain (the occasional Tennessee Vol women excepted).
 
Any discussion of paying athletes without proposing a viable means of paying women’s sports and revenue loss men’s sports equally is just pie in the sky. I don’t think it holds up in court.

by Scipio Tex on May 25, 2011 2:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Exactly. And he knows this. What is he up to?

by Drew Dunlevie on May 25, 2011 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

ITS A TRAP!

by Scipio Tex on May 25, 2011 2:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Repeal of awful legislation (Title IX) would awesome. I don’t think Delaney has that kind of juice though.

by maninblack on May 25, 2011 2:16 PM CDT reply actions  

I think his object is to make it more about who has more (legitimate) money and less about other factors (where the best high school athletes are, warm weather). If he can add money to every athletic scholarship, it makes it more expensive for every division 1 school. If X school wants to compete in football, they are going to have to pay all of their football players extra. I’m assuming title 9 would then require them to pay all of their other athletes that same extra amount. That makes it a lot more expensive to compete on the Big Ten’s level for football.

by Texas Wahoo on May 25, 2011 2:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Texas Wahoo, yep. Title iX, for all of its silliness, is actually a very useful cudgel for beating down the upstarts that would challenge Big School Supremacy.

by Scipio Tex on May 25, 2011 2:21 PM CDT reply actions  

CONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT!!!

What if the crafty Mr Delany sees this as insurance in case the Department of Justice enters the State of Utah’s suit against the BCS? What if Delany (and the BCS conferences ) aren’t real comfortable about going through all of the steps needed to defend the BCS (think the Fiesta Bowl and other fun stuff that could come out during the discovery phase of the trial).

Just abandon the BCS, start all over with a Post-Season Bowl System (not a playoff) and make it fiscally impossible for the non-BCS conferences to compete? You know that the NCAA would want a piece of that pie, and you know that the non-BCS schools would want a distribution set up similar to the basketball tournament.

Delany is already on record as saying his idea is about the student-athlete, and that the idea of a “level playing field” has nothing to do with it.

Hmmmmm?

by srr50 on May 25, 2011 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Delany is trying to increase the cost of admission to the BCS prior to the conclusion of any lawsuits by non-bcs schools. Even if they win the lawsuit, they won’t be able to afford to pay the additional costs to field football teams at a BCS level.

by roach on May 25, 2011 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Paying for performance is the ideal solution. It will weed the FBS down about half which is right-sized for an NFL farm system and a much better division of the TV money at the college level.

by Flash on May 25, 2011 3:24 PM CDT reply actions  

guess he’s pissed off that TCU dismantled Wisconsin too. However, the smaller non BCS schools already jumped to BCS conferences—Pac10 and Big East—except what would this do to schools like BYU and Notre Dame that are independent.

by kemit on May 25, 2011 3:52 PM CDT reply actions  

except what would this do to schools like BYU and Notre Dame that are independent.

They are already in the club.

by srr50 on May 25, 2011 3:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Tony Barnhardt chimes in and believes it was the opening salvo of the BCS conferences breaking from the BCS.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/15164842/divide-might-be-coming-but-which-leagues-will-conquer/rss

by maninblack on May 25, 2011 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I’m not defending this perspective, but I think it’s clearly motivating Delaney and Slive….

I don’t think people appreciate just how irritated the Big Boys have become over the past two decades on all fronts. Look at basketball. North Carolina, Syracuse, Kentucky, UCLA, Indiana, Michigan – national brands left at home so Valdosta State could get waxed by 90 by a 1 seed. From the business perspective of a conference commissioner, that has to make you sick. Half of your schools are throwing salaries and buy-outs at guys who can get you into the upper half of your conference so you can make the tournament. Top-heavy conferences, such as the ACC, become known as coach killers for programs 4-12. All stemming from a tournament that essentially funnels money from the big schools to the small schools through Indianapolis.

And now they see the same basic dynamic starting to gather steam in football.

I think they intend to split in all sports, creating their own post-season packages that bypass the NCAA as currently constituted — baseball, softball, basketball, football, etc. The NCAA will continue to exist, but it will clearly answer to the Big 6 in all matters. It may even reform exclusively as a Big 6 body, leaving the rest of the conferences to fend for themselves administratively. That’s how far I think they are willing to take this.

by Know your place on May 25, 2011 11:51 PM CDT reply actions  

The late Jim Wacker saw this coming a long time ago, which is why he started to position Texas State to move up to D-1. Obviously it is also part of the reason UTSA is starting football.

IF the CFA reappears, a revamped SWC will not be far behind.

by srr50 on May 25, 2011 11:56 PM CDT reply actions  

outside of a clearly-biased reaction due to my outsized football fandom, I’m having a hard time understanding why title ix is “awful legislation”. is the non-football fan critique simply an extension of conservative politics, or is it something greater?

by cw on May 26, 2011 8:14 AM CDT reply actions  

“guess he’s pissed off that TCU dismantled Wisconsin too”

The game I watched was a nailbiter

by Randy Watson on May 26, 2011 8:46 AM CDT reply actions  

“Know your place” needs to do a little more research.

The cash from the NCAA is based upon a rolling 6 year performance based on your conference not the team. That means Butler still get relatively squat $3.3M divided by the amount of teams in the Horizon League for making the championship. While Texas got to split over $17M for getting bounced in round one.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/46f776004e0d547d9ef9fe1ad6fc8b25/Revised+Revenue+Distribution+Summary_012709.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=46f776004e0d547d9ef9fe1ad6fc8b25

by biznesstime on May 26, 2011 9:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Wow. I like the idea. I suppose the stipend would depend on location location location? Another fun can of worms and a need for continued NCAA participation as an understaffed enforcement agency.

I for one will be glad to see the have nots leave the FBS.

by 50 Years Watching on May 26, 2011 10:33 AM CDT reply actions  

CW

Title IX is awful legislation because men’s teams are not only required to fund women’s teams, but to keep the numbers equal, men’s teams like baseball and wrestling have been eliminated. At some schools there are more women’s “spots” open than players interested in playing for the teams.

The government is trying to legislate interest in women’s sports that clearly doesn’t exist. If women want equality in sports, that’s fine—go to a women’s basketball game or a volleyball game. Buy season tickets, buy your teams gear. Until then, you’re not equal to men’s sports and it’s your own damn fault.

by roach on May 26, 2011 10:35 AM CDT reply actions  

If the SWC reappears with Texas as a member, Texas football will be on the glide path back to mediocrity and irrelevance.

by roach on May 26, 2011 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

BTW, the only ones confused are those that can’t use the proper designations FBS and FCS. Those designations are much more descriptive of what we have today and for what we will have in the future.

by 50 Years Watching on May 26, 2011 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Well, it looks like Ray Small didn’t get a big enough stipend. He just went public with more dirt on the Buckeye program:

http://www.burntorangenation.com/2011/5/26/2191201/ohio-state-confidential-former-football-player-ray-small-speaks

by Frank the Plank on May 26, 2011 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

BZT: First of all, I am not defending the perspective. But it’s obvious to me that the Big 6 commissioners do not see direct benefit for their conferences in the share model and increasingly do not see much “good for the game” benefit, either. I am not attempting to prove their perspective has merit. So if you want to question my “research,” find some comments by the conference commissioners which suggest otherwise.

Conference commissioners are not paid to be fans. Butler and VCU were nice stories for us, but they turned up the heat on Virginia, Virginia Tech and Indiana in the process. The argument that the success of those little guys amps the $$$ CBS et al pay for the tournament can be made, but it can also be made in the other direction just as persuasively. I think the BCS commissioners see the inclusion of those programs as little more than charity.

And they aren’t going to a similar place in football. In fact, if they can use football as an excuse to pull back in basketball and every other sport which can draw eyeballs, at least in a post-season, I think they will. Because they no longer see a larger business benefit in the alternative.

Again — that’s my impression of their impression. Subjective evaluation of subjectivity. I could be totally wrong. Hope I am. But that’s where I think we’re headed.

by Know your place on May 26, 2011 4:24 PM CDT reply actions  

He’s a douche!

by OhioHorn on May 27, 2011 9:54 PM CDT reply actions  

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