Texas Football And Institutional Control

Excellent information. I may disagree with the author on various subjects, but I’d bet my last dollar on his honesty and integrity.

I was a bit shocked to learn the degree to which compliance is involved in keeping copies of car paperwork, rent contracts, and then cross referencing electronic records with stated job hours etc. Not to mention flat out questioning people on how they’re able to pay for something if it looks beyond their means.
 
Basically, many of the schools that have hit the headlines of late could do that stuff. But it’s pretty clear that they wouldn’t like what they find.
 
So they don’t.

Fantastic read. I had heard allusions to a lot of our rigorous compliance practices before, but it’s really illuminating to see them all laid out in that level of detail.

I drove that dude EVERYWHERE and he always changed my radio stations, even the presets.

We call that getting Vasherized around here.

Thanks for the write-up.

That is excellent insight, and it is clear that if you want to do it, you can.

Meanwhile, Terrelle Pryor is on his eighth car.

“I was a bit shocked to learn the degree to which compliance is involved in keeping copies of car paperwork, rent contracts, and then cross referencing electronic records with stated job hours etc. Not to mention flat out questioning people on how they’re able to pay for something if it looks beyond their means. "

I was stunned at first too, but after thinking about it for awhile, I feel like we should be more shocked that apparently so few other schools do this type of thing. Given the history of cheating in college athletics, the money involved and the things that are at stake - i.e. your school’s reputation and integrity- shouldn’t we be more shocked that this type of thing isn’t SOP at all BCS schools?

As the author rightly points out, it’s not like the football teams at OSU, USC et Al. don’t have resources.

The situation at tOSU is more institutionalized as it has been going on for a very long time. The players no doubt get a lot of free meals and drinks around town. From reading various aritcles about the scandal it seems to me the model is more like a Mafia family – where no one breaks the silence (Note to BillFLT – this is differnt than the ubiquitos Cajun Mafia – so don’t throw a rod). Players before now who spoke out were disgruntled ex players and not to be believed. A Texas style compliance program would not have gone over well in this environment. I think the same Mafia model applies to the SEC, except when things get out hand (see Newton, Cam; Means, Albert). They all have a mutually assured destruction plan if anyone goes off the rails. That is my biggest concern with A&M joining the SEC is that you either have to get down in the muck to compete or will be irrelevant if you don’t.

The thing that’s clear is that if a university is truly interested in being in compliance, it can do so. It’s hard, and takes effort and attention and money, but it’s completely doable as long as the message is clear throughout the institution.

This idea that places like Ohio State just don’t have the resources to keep tabs on all their charges is bullshit of the highest order. You aren’t Utah State for God’s sake, you’re tOSU. Your school rakes in money, and your conference does too.

Fact is, they had a head coach and an athletic director who just didn’t really give much of a shit about being in compliance. If they did, they wouldn’t find themselves in the situation they do today.

If following the rules is important to you, you’ll find ways to make it work. If not, you’ll soon find yourselves resorting to the “everyone does it” canard.

KT, I think your concerns about A&M in the SEC are completely valid. Those boys know how to play the game. A&M would have a significant learning curve to deal with, and an in-state “partner” that would be watching B-CS like a hawk for any whiff of shenanigans. You’d be stuck between a rock and a hard place, having to cheat to keep up and being constrained by forces outside your control. And the various times in which A&M has cheated, it’s shown itself to be really bad at it.

The last few years have shown you can more than compete with Texas. And the last couple have shown you can even do so with the Sooners. Why anyone would want to throw that away for the opportunity to get in bed with Auburn and LSU and Tennessee is beyond me. The things you guys could catch from those people…

They send you here for five years and that’s exactly what they take.

That’s institutionalized.

Does you mind if we dance wif yo dates?

Did you see that terelle pryor showed up to a team meeting last night in a new 350z with dealer plates? Talk about guvung the NCAA the middle finger.

Otis Redding said:
May 31st, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Does you mind if we dance wif yo dates?

OTIS DAY!!!

What is you, ignorant?

The last time we did not go along with the crowd we waundered in the wilderness for more than 30 years while going through HCs like shit through a goose. I hope we are not on the same trend line again this time.

This was one of the best posts in the history of BC. Kudos to the author.

I think some of the criticism of the NCAA isn’t justified. But the way the NCAA has completely looked the other way while the SEC & Big 10 (tOSU, at least) have made of mockery of rules is beyond disgraceful. At least USC got the hammer, albeit a little late.

The saying applies here: “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.”

If the NCAA used its manpower to verify that universities have operational Compliance Offices instead of trying to police the social webs of thousands of athletes, it might have a meaningful impact it could deservedly be proud of.

With an existing top flight template for how to run compliance, and damage and losses mounting at major programs for all to see, can you ask for better timing and momentum to get a national consensus to establish a compliance office requirement and standard ? If not now, what would it take to make the NCAA’s 9/11 moment?

I think it would be worth it to consider ‘pardons’ for any programs that get offices of compliance up and running to standard if they uncover violations and patterns of violations that predate their formation. If it’s the difference between everyone getting on board and doing it right moving forward, then allow them to first clear the deck.

If the author of this is who I think it is, then he was a little more well-known as a player than he gives himself credit for, particularly as a special teams contributor…

I can tell you that every fan in my family would still recognize his name!

Thanks for the writeup and the perspective!

This is good to know and gives me yet another reason to be confident in my pride as a Longhorn. As someone with some insight into another top athletic department where none of this egregious NCAA violation BS was going on, I caught myself sometimes wondering about Texas…but this sounds like the definitive word, and I’m glad to hear it.

Actually, it wasn’t Otis Redding or Otis Day. The dude who asked the question and ripped out the table was one of the patrons at the joint listenting to Otis Day and The Nights. These sort of factual tidbits during a discussion like this got to be dezackly accurate.

Oh, and first rate article. God bless and keep you safe, young man.

Fuck yeah. That’s what I’m talking about — more “Texas swagger” in one sentence than I saw on the playing field all last year.

Ignorant horn is ignorant horn.

It’s easy for Texas not to cheat — we’re Texas! We’re the flagship school of the most football-crazy state in the country, and we’re located in Austin and not … wherever the hell Auburn is.

It’s kind of like the old saying that “the law treats everyone equal — it forbids both rich and poor from sleeping under a bridge.”

Of course most schools don’t give a shit about compliance … why should they? What great moral wrong is being committed here? Kids who sacrifice their bodies for the benefit of their school are getting some monetary compensation? Of all the moral inequities in college athletics, that’s got to be right near the bottom.

As for the idea that a college scholarship is enough compensation … the kids at Michigan got the same scholarships that the kids at OSU got. Obviously the Buckeyes were better, why shouldn’t they be rewarded for that?

To the poster, I will run my head through a wall for you right now. Good god I am pumped after reading that!

same comment that i posted on the cosm
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great great read. I am so proud to be a fan of this program. And if Mack did what Tressel did i wouldve been calling for his head at the first sign. I think most of us would.

Excellent post—it makes me proud of MB. Even though he isn’t perfect as a coach, he tries to win the right way.

It also enrages me that our academic progress department fucks things up when other parts are so well-run.

Nice write up.

Could someone thus explain the new Lincoln Navigator Vince Young drove while he was at Texas?

wbt5845- Got anything more? Time and place? Seen firsthand? License #? How you know it was his ride, and not borrowed from Nordgren, for example?

Or are you just throwing crap at the wall?

The NCAA system’s pretty simple. Have a staff and a set of procedures that represent a good faith effort to make sure rules get followed, and you’re going to be o.k., even if a kid or two wanders off the reservation.

UNC and OSU both had that staff and set of procedures in place. Somehow, they thought that made them “good guys” and invulnerable to this sort of thing. Which of course made this sort of thing inevitable.

Credit to Brown, for sure, but this begins and ends with the AD. Baddour and Smith are business guys who played but never coached and spent more time reviewing balance sheets than operating procedures. Dodds, however, knows what happens you relax a little on that front.

Well said, well written.

Could someone thus explain the new Lincoln Navigator Vince Young drove while he was at Texas?

Obviously, that woulda been on accounta Vince is a FoMoCo kinda guy. You got a problem with that? I don’t, even though I told Ford back in 19 and 78 that I’d never buy another of their cars if they refused to make things right with my F250 – got a letter from FoMoCo saying it would be fixed if I brought it to a dealer before September 30, and the letter was postmarked October 8… I’ve never set foot in a Ford dealer’s place since then, so Vince is welcome to my share of Lincolns, too.

wbt5845 -

Can you explain the Maserati Jarrod Johnson was driving around campus last year?

Actually, the problem with UNC and tOSU was not that they thought they were OK. The problem was with how their process was managed. Here is what everybody has to understand- every university is different. This is not the NFL where every team has the identical management structure. At UT, the university administration runs the Athletic Department. What you typically see at outlaw schools are autonomous ADs where the university administration acitly ignores their operations, telling themselves that the AD is not their job, and hoping it doesn’t embarrass them too much.

When the scandal hits, schools go one of two ways- clean up and restructure, or manage the damage and proceed on. You saw SMU, the first time, tell the NCAA to f’ off. After the death penalty they cleaned up. I absolutely believe that the 1980s UT penalties were the impetus for the noted processes, and not in spite of them. The Ags made huge institutional changes after Sherrill was booted.

Has UNC cleaned up? Is Davis still the coach? I think the Buckeyes intend to clean up, if they can overcome the inertial forces of AD autonomy. Same with USC. At Auburn and Oregon, I think the boosters have no intention of ceding AD control, nor are there signs the schools intend to force it.

Thanks for your service.

A Texas style compliance program would not have gone over well in this environment.

Exactly. If the SEC wants to go on being the SEC, they need a legit compliance program about as much as Sasha Grey needs a thesaurus.

I am very proud of the efforts that Texas takes to stay above board in dealing with the NCAA- I think we have integrity throughout the athletic department. If I ever heard about shenanigans like tOSU and some of the other rogue programs out there, I would want Mack Brown’s head on a pike and deal with whatever fallout might come.

I have no doubt that guys get meals comped all over town, and that this happens everywhere. I also wouldn’t be shocked if friends of the program gave small change money to players in an attempt to ingratiate themselves. I’m not saying it happens, but I’d be shocked if it didn’t (hell when we were in college everyone had a hook up with a friend, sweet mate etc where we’d get an occasional meal- or we knew we could drink without bein carded etc), I’d be shocked if this didn’t happen for our afoletes.

The difference in kind is huge, however. I don’t think that you can stop every last little vioation, and neither does the NCAA. I’d venture to say that if tOSU would have come clean they would have had some athletes lose some games, and nothing else would happen. When the cheating is done at an institutional level, however, it is easy to see (and stop). You might not be able to stop every guy from getting a meal comped at the Hula Hut, or able to drink on 6th before they turn 21, but you damn sure can make sure they aren’t driving rides outside of their financial situtaion. To not figure that out is willful blindness and should result in getting a program hammered. It’s a competititve disadvantage to all the institutions trying to do it right, and should not be tolerated.

I’m shocked that the Pac 10 turned such a blind eye to USC’s shenanigans, and that the big 10 did not try to reel in tOSU. Washington got hammered by the Pac 10 for nickel and dime stuff compared to USC, and the confernece did nothing to USC. Washington was big time when they got crushed, too, so that rationale should be out the window.

WUlaw, I am convinced that the new PAC-12 is nothing like the old PAC-10. The UW situation was 20 years ago. Recently, USC had its scandal and the PAC-12 conference office seemed unconcerned. The PAC-12 doesn’t seem to worry about Lyles clients Oregon and Cal, either.

I’m not so sure that the Big 10 turned a blind eye to the Buckeyes. I think their response is very telling, and unlike what many similarly shady programs do in such a situation.

Hopefully, Mack will metnion this in the Foreword to Chizik’s book, and praise Chizik’s remarkable efforts to replicate this at Auburn. It will be an exaggeration, of course, b/c McGlynn was at Auburn before Chizik was HC, but it would be a nice gesture. Guess we’ll have to wait another month until “All In” by Gene Chizik, Foreword by Mack Brown, comes out.

Taylor, agreed completely and that is my point. The Pac 10, as a conference, used to have integrity and lost that somewhere along the line. That’s surprising to me b/c the member instituitons there seem like the kind of institutions that would/should have integrity- they aren’t (for the most part) pissant land colleges in backwoods locations, but rather big time schools in big time areas. I’m surprised they lost there way somewhere between hammering UW and allowing rogue programs to operate in USC and Eugene.

Cal Berkley, Stanford, UCLA, Washington etc are all fantastic shools with sterling academic reputations. I’m surprised that the powers that be at these places allowed other member schools to slip into the sleeze of the college football world in general. The same goes for most of the Big 10. I’d be interested to see if that conference has anything to say about what is going on in C-Bus.

Why the surprise at the Pac-10/12? Long been the dirtiest conference.

Wulaw, you know Cal Berkeley is a Lyles client, right? UCLA hired Neuheisel. I suspect the PAC-12 administrations have washed their hands of sports.

All 4 of Lache Seastrunk’s official visits were to Pac-10 schools. And USC’s going to be death eligible within 12 months.

If the author of this is who I think it is, then he was a little more well-known as a player than he gives himself credit for, particularly as a special teams contributor…

Names have evidently been changed to protect the innocent. We didn’t play Kansas in either 2002 or 2003, his would be senior or red-shirt senior year.

Taylor-

Completely true, and my only question is why? Why the sea change over the last 20 years out there. I don’t see why Berkley goes the Lyles route. I don’t see why UCLA hires that weasel Rick N. Those schools should be better than that, they used to be better than that, and now they aren’t.

I would think if any conference decided not to let the tail wag the dog it’d be the Pac 10. It used to be that way, but no longer is and I’m curious as to why. They don’t even care enough about football at UC Berkley or UCLA to cheat I wouldn’t think. They certainly don’t from a historical perspective, so what the hell changed.

I used to live out in Cali until 90 or so, and was a big Stanford fan. I was there (albeit very young) when Washington was really good (my dad was born in Bremerton Washington and a big Husky fan) so I don’t get it. Culturally they are not like the SEC or the Rust Belt tOSU (or at least they weren’t). Why are they now?

Scip- any ideas from someone living out there? Football just isn’t life and death out there, so I don’t get why they compromise the integrity of their institution for gridiron success. Hell, California doesn’t even do a full on state playoff, but the members of the Public Ivy (and their administrators) are going to allow rogue programs? Does not compute.

“Cal Berkley, Stanford, UCLA, Washington etc are all fantastic shools with sterling academic reputations. I’m surprised that the powers that be at these places allowed other member schools to slip into the sleeze of the college football world in general. The same goes for most of the Big 10”

Wulaw, I’m surprised your advancing this line of reasoning. The power structure of the Pac 10 was pretty clear and it didn’t run through Stanford, or Berkley. Washington aided and abetted the two Southern California schools in just about every financial vote though.

The Pac 12 on the other hand is an interesting split between the revenue sharing which the small schools appear to have won, and the scheduling, which the So Cal schools appear to have won.

epic douche. Sure Texas keeps the reins tight on the scrubs and your diatribe is exhibit a. I live in Austin, I know what Vince Young drove while in school. I also know, there is no way in hell he stayed elible at UT. Shit, his subject-verb agreement is worse than my 2nd grader.

@ triplehorn If the NCAA used its manpower to verify that universities have operational Compliance Offices instead of trying to police the social webs of thousands of athletes, it might have a meaningful impact it could deservedly be proud of.

The NCAA doesn’t even “police the social webs of thousands of athletes.” It merely rides on the coattails of the media when a new “scandal” develops.

LOL! Mick lived in Round Rock and had no idea what VY looked like.

I would think if any conference decided not to let the tail wag the dog it’d be the Pac 10. It used to be that way, but no longer is and I’m curious as to why.

Basic mathematics Wulaw. Take a look at the media rights deal they just negotiated.

As a diehard Michigan fan, I’ve never forgiven Texas for beating us by 2pts in the Rose Bowl a few years ago. And I can’t say that I was sad about Texas’s less than stellar year last season…lol. But I’ve always respected them as a team and school. And after reading this, I respect them even more. I can only hope that Michigan is running as clean a program, and I think it’s about time the NCAA did something about the SEC as well. Perhaps all this mess at OSU will trigger a domino efffect at other schools.

I also know, [sic] there is no way in hell he stayed elible [sic] at UT.

I’m not sure your post proved what you hoped it would.

What do you know, a former Horn explains how Texas’s poop doesn’t stink, and the Longhorn faithful eat it up hook, line, and sinker. Hmm…conflict of interest? Tressell and OSU dished out the same load of crap and the folks in Columbus believed it too, until the truth was exposed. Anyone who believes that any perennially successful NCAA football program is doing it by 100% playing within the rules is a drooling idiot.

Well, if there’s anyone who knows what a drooling idiot would believe, it’s you.

PatronSaint — you forgot to correct his last sentence too.

“Shit, his subject-verb agreement is worse than my 2nd grader.”

Shit[!] [H]is subject-verb agreement is worse than my 2nd grader[’s].

I love irony.

LIkely- quit being a moron- I don’t think anyone on this site thinks texas is playing 100% within the rules, nor do I think anyone believes that this is even a possibility.

What we are saying is that at Texas (and unlike at other schools) the institution acts with itegrity, polices it’s student athletes as best as it possilby can, and reports itself when it is made aware of any failures.

The free lunch, dinner, $50.00 handshake (hell $500.00 handshake) is almost impossible to police. Establishing a culture of rule following and being diligent in doing so is not, and that is the charge that the institution should have.

Develop critical thinking skills or go troll on another board somewhere. This is the deep end of the pool when it comes to discussing sports and issues that affect the NCAA. Leave the asshatery to the sites that cater to that.

Until we get a true handle/registration system on this site, I guess we’ll have to settle for appreciating the articles as standalone essays and then letting our baser selves be amused as the comments section turns into an episode of Bait Car, where the most bumbling and bewildered bumpkins publicly flail and epically fail for our amusement.

Whether it’s another Ag frothing at mouth to fire off hilarious accusations or a misplaced Auburnite making increasingly desperate pleas for attention, in your own way you perform a function very similar to that of the articles themselves – making the rest of us very happy to be Longhorns. Please continue!

Excellent read—thanks for writing this up.

“Could someone thus explain the new Lincoln Navigator Vince Young drove while he was at Texas?”

VY drove and older model Dodge SUV at Texas and it may have been worth $7,000.

I’m fairly certain Texas’ shit does in fact stink, sometimes greatly so, after a night of, say, Ramonce Taylor-style enchiladas backed up by Andre Jones-style mix of dollar margaritas and a case of Natty Light. It’s rare, but it happens.

Then again, I’m fairly certain Texas doesn’t suffer from the chronic levels of IBS and Crohn’s that we see at places like Auburn, Ohio State and USC.

I hereby submit this as my entry in the Most Disgusting Analogy of the Year contest, with a concurrent entry in The Worst Pun Within the Most Disgusting Analogy of the Year contest.

TTR, enlighten me on Lyles’ connection with Cal. I hadn’t heard that. I know they have a Houston kid or two, but nobody worth cheating to get. If it’s Steve Williams you’re talking about, I don’t think that was Lyles.

The free lunch, dinner, $50.00 handshake (hell $500.00 handshake) is almost impossible to police. Establishing a culture of rule following and being diligent in doing so is not, and that is the charge that the institution should have.

This man summed up the whole deal in two sentences.

Bravo, sir. Bravo.

Thanks Ag. I like reading your stuff most of the time over on the ‘Cosm and Spence occasionally. I often times don’t agree, and your perspective is always very Aggie, but you can join in the conversation at the adult table anytime you want. I hate the dumbing down of this site that happens at times when the subject of cheating comes up. This is the smartest site on the web, with the most quality writing, and the few times where things go off the rails reminds me that even BC isn’t safe from buffonery, jackassery and general schmucktitude.

http://www.oneclicksportsnow.com/ncaa/california-bears/261709/Sports-By-Brooks-Cal-Paid-Willie-Lyles-5000-Big-Deal-Probably-Not/

That link doesn’t do much for me. $5,000 could be for a legit, albeit way over priced service. It’s nowhere near as curious as the Seastrunk for 25K allegations.

Cal shouldn’t be included in any discussions regarding USC or Oregon improprieties.

TTR – UNC can’t fire Butch until the NCAA’s process runs the course. OSU had the emails, which clearly show a breach of contract. UNC has nothing similar for Davis. If the NCAA determines major violations on his watch, that’s a breach, whether he knew about them or not.

Supposedly, all of UNC’s football coaches have hired private attorneys. Writing’s on the wall on that one, IMO — just waiting for the official NCAA shoe to drop.

I can only speculate about OSU, but I know UNC’s internal workings well. They take their reputation seriously. A lot of people were raising red flags, but the attitude always seemed to be, “That can’t happen here, because we’re UNC.” Now they know it can.

Davis won’t leave until his contract clearly allows it. He’ll be done as a major coach after this, and he’s going to get paid if he can. Baddour will step down when the dirty work has been done, clearing the decks for a replacement. He’s worked for UNC on the academic or athletic side all his life. Total company man.

I was surprised when UNC hired Davis. That was their first mistake.

It caught me off guard when I discovered that UT had been doing more sophisticated EKG’s than required to play NCAA sports for years, and I made that discovery over five years ago. Now, nothing surprises me.

Hook ’em!

Sure, UNC can fire Davis before the NCAA investigation is done. Schools do it all the time. Ohio State just did it. UT did it with Penders. Basically, you tell them they are in contract violation, and you’re firing them. They negotiate a buyout that ranges from the cost of the school fighting a nuisance lawsuit from the former coach on the low end (Penders’ case) to an amount ncessary to keep them quiet on the high end (my guess for the Buckeyes).

This post reinforced what I have gathered (and hoped for) from our athletic and compliance departments. As others have noted, there are some things (involving anonymous cash) that probably go on everywhere and are impossible to regulate. However, a compliance department’s job is vigilance and doing whatever it can do to ensure “institutional control.” Keeping tabs on housing, auto, and summer job details falls under that category and isn’t rocket science as the OP points out. All it takes is commitment throughout the program from the top down.

I have attended a number of local Longhorn Club events and have observed compliance office presentations several times as a part of them. It would be naive to think that those presentations on what constitutes a violation of NCAA rules would disuade a booster intent on breaking them from doing so. However, it is an example of a compliance department demonstrating that it is serious and doing what it can. I left those events wondering how many alumni/booster events at SEC schools featured similar content from their respective compliance departments.

Cal’s boosters are pretty disgusted with the mismanagement of the Cal athletic department budget vis-a-vis the Memorial Stadium seismic renovation and their SAHPRC (student-athlete high-performance resource center). Both are financial boondoggles; the latter is for student-athlete use only despite costing a lot of money. The Cal athletic department is going to bleed dry a lot of booster goodwill if it doesn’t right the ship soon. Oh, and Jeff Tedford has to start winning against the big names with a quarterback, any quarterback. He’s not so much now the QB guru that most Bear fans thought he was…

Anyway, that’s why I don’t think Cal’s got a culture of booster-enabled NCAA rule violation.

I have a lot of respect for Cal as an academic institution, but I don’t think they are aadministered quite like Stanford. Stanford is keenly aware that athletics is one of their faces to the world, and the university manages that. Cal seems to think of athletics as a separate entrprise, out there because it contributes to student life and keeps some boosters happy, and I fear they are willing to let it operate itself. Cal football brings in a lot of JC recruits, and they aren’t all smart California JC kids. A lot are guys UT, for example, could never consider for admissions.

I’m not saying Cal is dirty. I’m saying that by working with Will Lyles, they are skirting the edge, and I don’t see any active forces pulling them back- not their conference, not their administration, not their local media. They are waiting for the scandal to shock them.

Summer jobs are a great way to funnel cash to players. Just be sure the firm is small, well heeled, exclusively staffed by alums, and the player’s office is not easily accessible by the general public. There is apparently very little the NCAA can find out or do about how much a player is paid per hour.

One disadvantage is that most programs encourage their teams to spend their summers in town in order to participate extensively in “voluntary” work-outs and practices. That tends to concentrate the jobs and increases risk of pay-for-no-work being exposed.

TTR – You can’t just tell someone they are in violation. OSU lost a multi-million dollar lawsuit on that issue with its last basketball coach. Right now, UNC would have to negotiate a significant buy-out to rid itself of Davis. After the NCAA confirms its findings, all the leverage shifts to UNC. OSU does not have that issue. The emails provide them that leverage.

The UNC system faces a budget crisis right now. Paying Davis to walk makes no sense financially. They can’t hire anyone anyway until the NCAA releases its findings. Baddour will fire Davis as soon as the lawyers give him the green light, and then he will resign.

Summer jobs are a great way to funnel cash to players. Just be sure the firm is small, well heeled, exclusively staffed by alums, and the player’s office is not easily accessible by the general public. There is apparently very little the NCAA can find out or do about how much a player is paid per hour.

Meet the author of Boosters for Dummies! Excellent. Let’s condone sliding cash to players through summer internships at law firms on West Ave. Or was yours on Nueces?

Turn to page 54 for the coup de grace: a mahogany rail slide into a kiddie pool of cash!

Sanctimony- whatever gets you through the night. What will UNC do if Davis doesn’t cooperate with the NCAA, and the NCAA can’t reach a conclusion? If a budget crunch is keeping UNC from doing the right thing now, why would they do it later, if the cost doesn’t go down?

In other words, budget crush aside- how much is UNC’s good name worth to UNC?

i think we are seeing the pac-xx devolve in the way it was headed when the infamous six were invited to join them. as some here note, the old pac-8 was a very different breed of cat from what we see these days. on a conference level and on an intra-scholastic level we are seeing some notably athletic demonstration of the dexterity required to hold one’s nose while looking the other way.

some speculate that the offer last year to the dirty six was an attempt to establish a trash heap for the conference where the newbies would be relegated along with the pac-8 disposing of the arizona schools that the stanfords didn’t want in the first place. now, on the individual school level, we see evidence that numerous staid and proper old organizations have adopted that philosophy interdepartmentally.

that was how smu went wrong. smu allowed downtown businessmen to take over the athletic department and run it free of university involvement. the methodists quickly mastered the skill set necessary to enjoy the perks of the high heat without glancing in the direction of the fire to see what was burning.

with the recent troubles in the big ten, its admission of a very dubious nebraska, evidence as put forth by frankthetank posters of the big ten dropping its goal for an all-aau membership (except notre dame had they come aboard), together with what we can clearly see happening in the pac-xx and the historic sludge of the sec, i am thanking our lucky stars that we stayed where we are. my disappointment over how the realignment saga fizzled out was obviously misplaced.

You guys do realize there’s two schools in major football that have never had a major NCAA violation and neither one of them is Texas, right?

You guys do realize there’s two schools in major football that have never had a major NCAA violation and neither one of them is Texas, right?</em.

You do realize that this isn't about perfect — it's about having a system in place to ensure a culture of compliance, right?

M1EK- I will bite- who are the two? I think Michigan fit that category until Rich Rod (we are only talking football- right?)

Stanford and Penn State. And it’s violations in any sports – but the pool of candidates restricted to BCS schools I think, hence “major football”.

Great work guys.

So the NCAA put in place the strategy and the tactics, but leave the schools to deliver and only step in when something goes wrong?

Incredible – with all the money that college sports make – a properly funded NCAA compliance department (with the power to spot check schools) shouldn’t be that difficult to achieve.

Obviously it is impossible to pick up on the every rogue element, but a school should have adequate records covering the basics and a pretty good idea of the bad eggs that hang around the program (just in case something goes wrong).

TTR — UNC doesn’t even have a NOI from the NCAA yet. Until they do, they’re stuck in a holding pattern. Forcing out Butch now means they have to pay him the maximum possible price and communicates to future coaches that they won’t wait until all the relevant information has been gathered prior to making a decision. If that course of actions makes the most sense to you, then so be it.

If UNC is serious about compliance, their compliance department can do its own investigation. Happens all the time.

They have done their own investigation, assisted by the NC Sec. of State and the NC SBI, a level of inquiry I cannot recall any other university or state embracing. That enabled them to get Blake out immediately.

Proceeding on Butch prior to the NOI and the NCAA hearing exposes the University to significant legal liability. Period. The reputation’s not going to be rebuilt by one dismissal. Look at OSU.

Wow, sounds like someone’s butthurt their team got beat in the BCSNCG by an SEC team. Good article, but you’re full of shit about Florida. We may have had a lot of players getting in trouble because Meyer had this insane idea he could actually trust his players to act like responsible young men (in retrospect, nope), but we’ve never had any major compliance issues. UF got hit bad for cheating in the 80’s and I guarantee you ever since then they’ve run a tight ship. Foley doesn’t fuck around.

Ah, butthurt. If there’s a current phrase whose usage more neatly divides the two-digit IQs from the three-digit IQs, I have yet to hear it. I tried the handy ‘Ctrl-F’ function and the only place on the whole page that Florida turned up was in your post, so perhaps you should pop by CVS and grab a pack of Tucks Medicated for yourself. Our trolls tend to be about 90% Aggie, although it’s always a pleasure to get one from the SEC – we’ve got one from Auburn that drops in occasionally who appears to suffer from borderline personality disorder.

We tend to be frequented by folks with fully formed frontal cortexes, which explains both our paucity of SEC commenters and the fact that most everyone reading this snapped to the fact that it was primarily aimed at tOSU (to the extent that it was ‘aimed’ anywhere other than illuminating Texas’ internal practices). If you’ve been deeply offended by hearing the SEC mentioned in the same breath as a casual attitude towards compliance issues, I’m afraid this blog is hardly a lone voice in the wilderness in that regard. If you patroll the internet avenging every allusion to SEC impropriety, you must get up very early in the morning.

Will I appreciate the information and tone of the writers work, he knows little if he’s blaming the SEC for having “problems” with compliance. He should know that Texas HAS been cited before and that the BIG 12 has JUST AS MANY hits as the SEC and that no school got hit harder than Texas’ running buddy SMU in the 70’s…. So while you’re intent was great, you lost a lot of credibility in pointing fingers so broadly…

Texas was cited on Nov. 6, 2005 with 3 major violations…. Glass houses…… Stones…. Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle…

Great piece. As University of Michigan alumnus, it gives me no pleasure to see what is happening at Ohio State, happen at any NCAA program, even one that is our most hated rival. It seems evident now that OSU is either complicit, or willfully ignorant. Winning and loosing seasons come and go, reputations take a lifetime to build, but an instant to destroy. This hurts not only OSU, but the conference, and NCAA football as a whole. More importantly, it hurts the players. I can tell you from first hand experience (I have family in Columbus, OH) that many people simply feel that the players and coaches can do no wrong and should have a pass on any behavior (as long as they beat Michigan). What people forget, is that these are young men, still finding themselves and developing their moral compasses. It is the coaches and schools moral responsibility to give them education, structure, and discipline. If they don’t provide this, or worse, intentionally turn a blind eye, it only hurts the players.

Thank you for showing that one of the best programs in the country does take this seriously. Despite all the other people rationalizing their own programs’ bad behavior, UT continues to run an excellent program on the field. It’s good to know that extends off the field.

Larry -
 
Perhaps you could prepare a slideshow for us detailing them?
 
We’re always happy to take moral instruction from a Bama fan.

Find it amusing you incorporate the entire SEC. Arkansas played in the very dirty SWC when SMU, Texas and A&M was involved in major paid for play. ESPN 30/30 example. Arkansas and Rice was the only two clean schools. How hard was that to stay clean when competing and recruiting for those very same players. Then we get included with the other cheaters in the SEC. Then, become the scapegoat in the Sugar Bowl. Glad to see Texas has cleaned up their act but quite including us in your very true and interesting article.

The SWC doesn’t exist anymore, Hoggette. Perhaps you missed the whole “under Mack Brown” proviso.
 
And Texas wasn’t involved in pay-for-play in the SWC. Basically, Texas was wrist slapped for self-reported minor infractions and suffered no penalties. And we’re talking 1980s.
 
30 for 30 documented SMU. A&M and TCU were the other prominent cheaters of that time period that received major penalties.
 
BTW, Arkansas was put on three year sanctions for football in 2003 where you actually lost scholarships. Ignorance is bliss.

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