Gene Chizik Says The NCAA Is Hurting Auburn's Recruiting

A good example of why PE majors shouldn’t try to go all Boston Legal on someone.

The only people surprised by the acknowledgment of the continuing investigation are Auburn fans. The news is that Chizik picked a fight with an enforcement officer and looked foolish as a result. My guess is that Yahoo’s Charles Robinson has an investigative piece on Auburn coming in August.

Chizik is right that the NCAA investigations are taking too long, but I don’t think he wants these results to arrive sooner.

I love that SEC basketball coaches threw a rival football program under the bus. I doubt that’s coincidental and I’m sure Mike Slive made some angry telephone calls to ADs and hoops staffs today.

You people don’t have any right looking in at our program before the investigation is over. The NCAA knows it will be real controversal when they clear Auburn and Cam and Cecil of ALL wrongdoing so they going to make sure all the is are dotted and the ts are crossed before releasing the results to the world. And when it happens y’all better have the cowurtesy to let out a GO TIGERS and a Big WAR DAMN EAGLE agian!!!!!!!

Someone huffed the tree poison . . .

Maybe the NCAA is waiting for the next Yahoo piece so they have more ammunition to use in the Auburn investigation?

I think the Auburn investigation will go on for as long as the Bush-USC investigation.

As to the rest of them, the NCAA will probably drop the hammer on Ohio State but go easy on Tennessee.

Willie, though, could break Hart Lee Dyke’s record for landing schools on probation.

Rebuttal:

The NCAA says Gene Chizik is hurting amateurism’s credibility.

Is an agian like an Asian Aggie?

I’m assuming that cowurtesy refers to either:

A) Courtesy that is directed towards cows, or

B) The act of a cow attempting to perform a curtsy.

“agian” is actually a wonderful use of dialect.

Is Tennessee in any trouble from Kiffin?

Here’s an area that could stand some Enforcement Behavior Modification…

When will they start penalizing Coaches and Administrators instead of “the school”? I understand it would be iffy to get in the way of equal employment opportunities and all that, but there should be something that could be done to make other schools (even if they are USC) cautious about being Kiffinized and to keep schools (and their players) from being punished for the acts of a departed Coach or staffers, provided that the various admins haven’t been shown to be complicit in allowing the cheating.

Or, fuck it, let the NCAA / BCS spread their billions equally among the players whose performances bring in the jack, or parcel it out based on whatever criteria make as much nonsense as the current ones.

“When will they start penalizing Coaches and Administrators instead of "the school"? I understand it would be iffy to get in the way of equal employment opportunities and all that, but there should be something that could be done to make other schools (even if they are USC) cautious about being Kiffinized and to keep schools (and their players) from being punished for the acts of a departed Coach or staffers, provided that the various admins haven’t been shown to be complicit in allowing the cheating.”

Don’t they have penalties for coaches that prevents other schools from hiring them without exceptional circumstances. Isn’t that what happened with Tennessee’s bball coach?

Most enjoyable rumor is that the NCAA is hot on the trail of not just Auburn but 3-4 additional SEC schools.

Rambling Wrecked: From The Rumble Seat

Wild guess here . . . the Newton investigation put the NCAA on some secondary trails ref. Auburn recruiting and/or program management/administration. Or, Chizik is hoping to chase them away BEFORE they stumble onto those trails.

Sailor-

Well the NCAA has to beat somebody. A middling ACC team with anachronistic offense will do nicely. That’s the real source of corruption in today’s college sports.

Not if Paul Johnson has anything to say about it.

Paul: And I’d like you to eat a sack lunch off my taint, son.

Get your Pauls straight, son.

Hasn’t the GTech investigation been going on for a long time, well before the CamScam appeared? Might be a spin off of the NC investigation, but I think it predated that one, too.

Yeah, fixed. Thx, BiH.

@ Timelines – Nobody is saying anything about chronology. I am just trying to catalog the programs under investigation.

It was Dooley that complained about recruiting. Thamel left that part out.

Looks like Chizik got what he wanted. Within 30 days of that exchange, he and Mcglynn were able to go on record about the investigation, meaning it’s no longer ongoing.

Seems like chizik would want to drag that investigation out as long as possible. The longer Auburn actually holds on to a MNC the more legitimacy they gain. That way when the NCAA rips the crystal ball away they already have a few years worth of media guides printed up etc to reference.

Plus as soon as the cheating is revealed, Chizik will be the fall guy.

Dictionary, you must be an Auburn fan, I’ve certainly never heard the investigation was closed. Link?

It I am not mistaken a certain trial is underway in Alabama. Once the Justice Dept. is done with the small issue of Colonial some additional evidence might find its way to the NCAA.

Roach,

Can’t find the link on the phone. McGlynn, AU’s compliance guy, gave an interview to Auburn undercover around July 1st. Dont know if he said “it was over,” but if it weren’t, he wouldn’t be allowed to talk about it.

Davey,

The FBI stuff was started by 2 Alabama message b

The FBI stuff was started by 2 Alabama message board posters. All the particulars that can be falsified have been.

Dictionary,

Auburn has a pretty powerful reason to convey the impression that the investigation is closed. Sending out some low level compliance guy to talk about the situation would do just that. Until I see an NCAA source say the investigation is over, I’m going to be skeptical.

Auburn has no incentive to commit a violation by improperly discussing an ongoing investigation, or to tell what the NCAA would know is an obviously lie. And Rich Mcglynn isn’t a “low level compliance guy.” He’s an Assistant AD who serves as head of compliance.

There’s a reason you have to invent factual and logical impossibilities for your story to make sense. Painful though it may be, face the fact that Alabama message boards can be wrong.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2009329876_apuscncaainvestigations.html

Dictionary, you keep posting that the NCAA doesn’t allow the investigated schools to comment on investigations, and I don’t think that’s true. See the above link where USC releases a video message about their ongoing (at the time) NCAA investigation.

Taylor,

Read the link. They were silent for 3 years, and even in that discussion wouldn’t discuss the substance of the investigation. They thought the NCAA was screwing them procedurally, and decided to speak out.

They also weren’t cited as a model of compliance. No one at USC, and no one in the business, is as respected as Rich Mcglynn. If he’s talking, he’s got reason to believe it’s over. He’s also telling alum groups he’s got reason to believe it’s over. Again, this was a month after the kerfuffle in Destin

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wosu/news.newsmain/article/0/1/1819914/WOSU.News/OSU.Leaders.Speak.About.Football.Investigation

And here’s another one. I can believe that a schoolw ould instruct its employees not to speak about an ongoing investigation. That’s probably smart lawyering. I just don’t know that the NCAA makes such instructions. So far, I’ve checked three recent investigations, and found two where campus officials actually commented publicly on the investigations, and a third (Oregon) where they said they weren’t allowed to comment by their school.

Also, I did find that the NCAA’s policy is to not comment, themselves, during an investigation. It doesn’t seem smart to not allow the investigated to comment. Maybe they’ll say something, like when Chip Kelly said he really didn’t know Will Lyles, that turns out to be untrue, or a new avenue of investigation.

Auburn has no incentive to commit a violation by improperly discussing an ongoing investigation,

Is there a violation for discussing an ongoing investigation? I don’t think so. If so please provide a source.

There is plenty of incentive for the party being investigated not to discuss it, but why the hell would the NCAA care what Auburn says?

Show us a link, other than a Auburn source trying to protect recruiting, that indicates the investigation is closed. (Even if they’re done with the investigation, that doesn’t mean punishment is not forthcoming).

If you don’t have any actual proof of your statements, you’re doing the exact same thing the Bama folks were doing, but at least they were entertaining! You’re just boring me now.

Taylor,

They’re not taking about anything substantive, at least not with any hint of specificity. There were Plenty of statements by Auburn in the fall that “Cam is eligible,” “we’ve done nothing wrong, etc.” The pivot from that to full blown silence came after the 11/11 meeting with the NCAA, Cam,’Cecil, and AU officials.

Mcglynn is on record, talking about specifics, clarifying that Rogers was the only one who
committed a violation, disagreeing with the enforcement recommendation, etc. He’s also clear that he wouldn’t have talked about those things during an ongoing investigation.

If he’s saying that, either 1) the investigation is over, or 2) he is telling an obvious lie, and antagonizing the NCAA enforcement committee to boot. Which seems more likely?

I seem to recall Dictionary that the Ohio State faithful were just as resolute just a few weeks back.

Auburn officials said on a few occasions they would not talk about it while on going. I cannot find one thing that even suggests that they cannot. I can find no precedence for such a claim, and can find no NCAA penalties or reprimands for such a thing.

As the process unfolded, Auburn officials went for weeks without public comment. McGlynn, who has a law degree, says it was the way it had to be.

"It is the standard criminal law theory," McGlynn said. "Anything you say can and will be used against you. We felt like the loudest statement we could make would be having Cam run out of the tunnel and play while eligible every Saturday. Every week he played solidified our strategy.

McGlynn’s own words. I believe Dictionary is stretching the truth a bit.

Did he say the NCAA told him the investigation was over? Seems easy enough.

There’s always a lag from the end of the investigation until the findings are produced.

He has told alumni groups to which he’s spoken that the all clear letter would arrive “soon.” that was around the time of that interview. Obviously no link. In an incomplete info game, a key piece of info that we do have is who has the info, and how they are acting.

This website continues to insist that insider trading is illegal to protect the insiders from the superior knowledge of the average Joe. I disagree.

If they stonewalled, they may get off. That strategy can work as long as the feds don’t get involved.

They “got off” bc there’s no evidence. Of course the Feds aren’t involved. But let them get involved. If there were something to be found,’it would have been found already.