AM OU To SEC if LHN Issues Not Resolved, According to Sporting News

yes, i read that. slive was quoted as saying it would take a ‘paradigm shift’ for the sec to consider adding anyone. it was hayes who said ou and a&m represent a paradigm shift, not slive. so we dunno.

if none of the other b-12 schools has the oomph to create a channel, why not the sum of them?

Right. We dunno. But Slive isn’t going to answer a reporter’s question by saying, “Yes, we’ll take them immediately. Have them call me.”
 
The sum of them is called a conference TV contract. They can’t do anything beyond that because no one has any interest in them broadly, they have no tv markets, and an Iowa State fan has no interest in watching A&M women’s volleyball.

Me thinks this is our backdoor to the Pac-14

Could be.
 
And we’re taking Baylor.

We switch little brothers with OU. They go SEC, we go PAC.

I have no problem hoodwinking OU with that deal.

Agreed its a bluff to force some changes to the existing plans for the LHN. And if it does happen, yeah we’re fucked in the short term but I think superconferences are inevitable. And nobody outdraws Deloss Dodds on the river if those talks come about.

Slive’s arms wide open verbiage from SECMD is an interesting shift in tone. Sounds like he’s willing to listen if OU comes along. It was a nice joke when it was just A&M knocking on doors.

Still not sure if the sources (or the writers) behind these stories actually know what the fuck they’re talking about.

If a&m and ou want to leave for another conference, then they should go. This incessant whining and bitching is getting tired. Start your own networks, give up on academics and join the SEC, or do whatever you need to do. Just do it. The argument that Texas needs to be reigned in for starting LHN crap. Create your own brand, market your own brand reap the rewards. Just quit your damned whining. Its getting tiring.

bingo, vash. you said what i meant. hayes makes bold statement that nobody knows whether is correct or not. previously the sea change event for the sec was the formation of superconferences. no idea right now whether that is still true or no longer true.

also, you guys need a story covering the finebaum show today when it was revealed that the ncaa thinks it has fingered the bag man in the newton to auburn story.

by the way, slive wants more hurdles? cheaters always want more hurdles they can circumvent. so yawn.

Let’s say OU and A&M go to the SEC and Texas goes to the PAC-X. Seems like a massive blow to Texas to me. We’d lose massive mindshare with recruits. They’d live in the epicenter of the SEC while the center of gravity for the PAC-X would be two time zones away.

This move would wind up emphasizing the weaknesses of both schools instead of their strengths.

If I’m an alumnus, I think it’s a bad deal.

Fuck them. If they want to cut their own throats then let them. In fact I would call their bluff and propose a move to the SEC with them and see what their response would be. Bottom line is those pussies don’t want to go to the SEC any more than we do but feel they have no other card to play but the SEC card. Throw it in their face.

yes, why not a conference (less one) tv contract? it could host hs games, too, as long as it is careful how it does it.

agree we are stuck with baylor. i think that nixes the pac for us. and the big ten is obviously out. i’ve seen it suggested that if ou and a&m try to move to the sec that we and our baggage head to the sec provided they refuse ou and a&m. that may be our best move, given our towheaded warts.

As of this morning “Mr. College Football” AKA Tony Barnhardt, was on ESPN Austin and said what we knew to be true last summer when all the talk of conference claim jumping reached its zenith.

He said, (paraphrasing) “The SEC was not and is not interested in expanding. However, if the game gets fully underway, while the SEC is not interested in starting that game, they are more than willing to finish it.”

Looks like Dodds is backing off now:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/texas-longhorns/20110720-longhorn-network_s-plans-to-televise-high-school-games-now-on-hold.ece

Had a feeling that this Dave Brown character running his mouth too much wasn’t going to help the PR situation from a Longhorn standpoint. Could this be the first fired ESPN employee by UT? I hope they provide coverage of all the lawsuits in this relationship.

Definitely not a PR masterstroke by the LHN. If Brown didn’t promote the fact they’ll be featuring UT commits/recruits and it just happened transparently this fall when there’s a lot more relevant CFB news happening, this wouldn’t have become the College Station Missile Crisis.

You buried the lead ded.

Texas (and ESPN) has also agreed to put on hold the idea of a Texas Big 12 game showing up on the LHN.

Commissioner Dan Beebe announced a temporary compromise Wednesday. Telecasts of high school football games on the Longhorn Network are now on hold, pending decisions by the NCAA and the Big 12 about how to handle single-school and conference networks. The Big 12 also delayed the possibility of a conference game on the Longhorn Network, announced earlier this month as part of a side deal with Fox

So no HS games, no 2nd game live on the LHN.

It’s been one helluva interesting off-season.

dave brown’s comments were unfortunate and fly in the face of what deloss says he asked for:
 ‘Dodds said he requested that the Longhorn Network not focus on Texas recruits or televise out-of-state high school games.’

beebe says, "It’s fair to say what he said publicly is why we’re having conversations about this new world and what the parameters are,"

brown is toast.

The plot is definitely thickening. Given all the recent debate here and on the Cosm about whether or not the LHN violates that NCAA statutes – it really seems to be boiling down to a fight in the court of public opinion. Given the back tracking seen today it seems the meter is swinging away from the LHN for high school games. I don’t think the SEC wants or needs A&M or OU right now, but the more times the subject is brought up – the more it might actually happen.

vash is right re: dudes probably not knowing what the hell they’re on about.

hayes or his source probably hasn’t even considered the state leges in texas or in oklahoma and how it all might fit into having to pull okie lite/baylor/tech etc in the same direction as a bigger brother. or that oklahoma/texas would really want to split up from each other… let alone the sort of pissing matches that might ensure over cash splitting etc.

barnhart saying the “sec is more than willing to finish it” is hysterical. that sort of backwater threat might sound good to tim brando listeners (FERK YERR…DIS RRRRRRR FOOBAWZ) but if he thinks it strikes fear into anyone in austin he doesn’t know ass from elbow.

the yahoo report on this has a gem:
“Even if the NCAA doesn’t find any wrongdoing with the network, both A&M and OU aren’t happy and fear that Texas’ monopoly over the airwaves could ultimately become a monopoly over the conference and create an unfair advantage all around.”

uhh..bruh? we already have that monopoly?

for people fretting over us going to the pac whatever and it giving ou/a&m some sort of ridiculous advantage:

do we have a forcefield setup along the sabine river that comes down if a&m joins a conference with teams east of it?

is there a forcefield like it built in california that prevents us from recruiting there even if we join their conference?

how tough is selling “hey do you want to beat the shit out of every team you play except for usc on an upswing/oregon without recruiting violations or get your brains beat to crap every week by a bunch of mouthbreathing bumpkins? you want some tread left on the tires by the time you get to the league, right son?”

I hope Florida gets their own TV channel really soon. Then A&M will be trapped. Maybe they’ll threaten to go to the Big East. Hehe.

Why are we stuck w Baylor? A&M sure as hell isn’t. Let’s go to the SEC before these assholes take the last remaining spots.

Florida already has a network

Then why is the LHN such a NUCLEAR BLAST?

“Why are we stuck w Baylor?”

the legislature doesn’t think baylor can survive on its own. must have nanny at all times.

how hard is tcu laughing?

Texas should drop football.

To A&M and OU -……go ahead ….get the fu fu out of here

@mattdubya wins the thread for me.

barnhart saying the "sec is more than willing to finish it" is hysterical. that sort of backwater threat might sound good to tim brando listeners (FERK YERR…DIS RRRRRRR FOOBAWZ) but if he thinks it strikes fear into anyone in austin he doesn’t know ass from elbow.

@parlinhall – I am emailing you right now to get your perspective and to force you to write another post. Also, I just fixed up an Alaskan Polar Bear Heater. I’ll report back.

If Mack or Coach Next gets his shit together, very few teams will be able to trot out a squad as talented top to bottom as Texas. This to me seems to be true if we’re Indie or part of any other conference.

Why are we stuck w Baylor if A&M is not bound to the same obligation?

If there were to surface a campaign to send boxes to the administration of OU and A&M filled with diapers in crimson and cream and maroon and white, respectively, I could be persuaded to contribute upwards of $5 to said campaign.

Being in a conference with Texas is kind of like having a rich friend in college that no one really likes because when he gets drunk he talks about how much money he has and how much pussy he gets. However, you keep hanging out with him because he keeps picking up the tab and you never know when he’ll convince dad to charter a plane to Cancun and don’t want to miss out.

I don’t doubt that a significant faction of agricultural fans, and some okie fans too, want to jump to the SEC, allegedly because UT isn’t playing fair by having its’ own network and becoming even more popular.

Wanting something, and getting it, are two different things. If UT, Tech, and Baylor want agricultural to stay in the Big Less Than Twelve, so will the legislature, and the agricultural college could find it’s losing many millions in state funding if it tries to make the jump.

Zero-U? They’re just as joined at the hip to okie lite in the eyes of the Oklahoma legislature. Hell will freeze over up north of the muddy Red if the paper clips try to make a move without taking the fightin’ T-Boones.

Here’s the thing about the Longhorn Network. It’s sexy enough to make the Horns some more fans, or at least spread the Longhorn gospel, much like a 24 hour infomercial. It will mean little or nothing in recruiting, no matter how many high school games are televised. UT’s already got a big in with most Texas high schools, and the 85-25 scholarship limit is still in place. That means the network won’t help UT sign one more player than they’d normally sign, and Mack’s done a great job for over a decade of getting most of the players he wants, WITHOUT the existence of a Longhorn Network. The network’s a “recruiting nuke???” Sorry, it’s not even a recruiting cherry bomb. All it is is a convenient excuse for agricultural to hide behind so they don’t have to come right out and say they’re tongue-kissing the SEC and trying to get an invite.

You never say never, but the SEC only tire-kicked aggy last year when it looked like the PAC and Big Ten might expand and become super conferences. That idea is dead for the time being, and I figure aggy’s invite to the SEC probably is too.

I don’t want to see UT deliberately rub aggy, or okie’s face in it…but I also don’t want to see UT cave to an aggy bluff. The agricultural college will be much more competitive, and make a whole lot more money, by staying where they are. I think it’s time to call their bluff on this SEC jive.

“Why are we stuck w Baylor if A&M is not bound to the same obligation?”

if that’s true (aggy may be stuck, too), it’s because texas is strong and valuable and a&m only sort of. glue the weak to the strongest available support(s).

Well that’s not logical. Texas cannot be told who to take by the legislature if A&M is not bound by the same principle. Texas would win that lawsuit and someone would go to jail.

Most of my Texas friends don’t brag about how much money they have (or women) but I will take that over some of the people I know from west Texas who stand in my front yard and peek through the windows.

Can I have your watch when you are dead?

Are we hinting that Texas would be losing out? That they couldn’t find opponents? Do you realize the size of the gates at a game with UT? Whoever you are? For most it is the biggest crowd they play in front of all year.

“Being in a conference with Texas is kind of like having a rich friend in college that no one really likes because when he gets drunk he talks about how much money he has and how much pussy he gets. However, you keep hanging out with him because he keeps picking up the tab and you never know when he’ll convince dad to charter a plane to Cancun and don’t want to miss out.”

So Texas is Clipper Cooper?

I wonder what the financial penalty is these days for leaving the Big 12-2. You know there’s a hefty f*cking fee.

It’s all bullsh*t and bluster, by the way. UT will do exactly what the NCAA will allow it to do, no more, no less. OU and A&M won’t jump the Big 12 without leaving Okie State, TTU, and Baylor in good hands. T. Boone and the Texas Lege will make sure of that. Which means either a Pac-16 deal would have to go down simultaneously (which ain’t happening due to the Pac-12 network) or nothing.

Bottom line: it’s all just empty threats meant to put pressure on the NCAA to rule against the LHN playing high school games. Which they likely won’t do, because the NCAA isn’t a commie organization. They think competitive advantages are good for college football; that’s why Norte Dame gets its own contract on a network that also broadcasts high school All-American games.

Remember the leaks last year saying that A&M was definitely, surely leaving? This is that.

Being Texas in the Big 12 is kind of like being that one rich kid nobody really liked because he knew how to read.

And by the way – A&M in the SEC? Pantsed. Without a Sherrill-type in the fold and greasing palms, the Aggies will become an undesirable backwater school in that conference. See: Arkansas.

Someone should ask SEC commish Mike Slive what he thinks about this, btw.

There’s a reason it was Matt Hayes who reported this.

I’ve mentioned it in other posts, but this league is fucked. Y’all looked out for yourselves with your network, and I could never fault you for that. There is just far less in common top to bottom in this league when compared to the SEC and the Big 10. Pretty standard arrogance to think OU and A&M would stand idly by while this unfolds.

If there is zero conference continuity (and there is none), and y’all are going to take your hacks with a network, why wouldn’t the next two schools in line look out for themselves.

Also, Arkansas played in the Sugar last year. The SEC ain’t the NFL. The “Aggy can’t compete in the SEC” is low hanging fruit and kind of insulting to a league that you have won three times in 15 years.

Bring on the super conferences. And thank you for not threatening to cut good añejo with Triple Sec.

The "Aggy can’t compete in the SEC" is low hanging fruit and kind of insulting to a league that you have won three times in 15 years.
 
This Aggie, he speaks some truth. And I resent him for it.

ColoAg – And how many times have you won anything, ever in my lifetime?

Big XII history is clear: OU’s been #1, then a gap, UT #2, then a gap, and then there’s a whole mess of you in a tight conga line, a gap, then Baylor and Iowa State. This isn’t about the “top-to-bottom differences” UT’s conference partners always cry about. It’s over whether high school games will be put together by a professional third party on a regional cable channel that us schmoes would watch but won’t bust the top 200 in cable ratings.

That’s what would make you move to the SEC, if Dagga gets to actually watch Johnathan Gray on TV and there’s a little cow logo on the screen? And you’d move to the SEC in violation of the will of the Texas Lege at the exact moment you’re about to lose the Aggie Governor? What lying bullsh*t. This is just OU and A&M combining empty threats to create media pressure on the NCAA, which is sadly looking effective, thereby depriving me of the main value I’d get out of LHN. You Aggie fans will get absolutely nothing from this, because Texas will cave on the high school issue, and you will never be in the SEC. And I think smart money says such a small network never would have made a real difference in recruiting in the first place.

LHN is nothing like, yaknow, Notre Dame on f*cking NBC every single football weekend for two decades. You know that, right? And we all know how much that helps Notre Dame recruit.

But those high school games would have been fun to watch. Sh*t. I’m pissed at you guys right now. And a little drunk (hic)

Also, I don’t think you understand what “low hanging fruit” means.

And backing into the 2011 Sugar Bowl notwithstanding, Arkansas has been awful since they joined the SEC. Three, count ‘em, bowl wins in twenty years, and no championships of any kind. That’s what happens when you start losing lots of games to teams your fan base doesn’t feel strongly about a thousand miles away, on the vague hope you might manage to win a division once every eight years or so. You may call it “looking out for yourself” but I call it “betting the farm”.

Colorado,

It may be insulting, but it doesn’t make it any less true.

If you want to apply the transitive property from A&M to Arkansas, remember it goes both ways. That 24-17 loss Arkie is “nice”, but those Razorbacks the Ags played in early October would get plastered by the Razorbacks of late November and January.

Also, remember that A&M lost 24-17 to an Arkansas team earlier in the season that defeated LSU 31-23 later in the season who plastered A&M 41-24 at the end of the season. It’s a wonderfully subjective science.

I don’t necessarily think A&M couldn’t succeed in the SEC (eventually), but the SEC West would be murderers row. Yes, even Ole Miss and MSU. Hell, good ole’ Bama finished 4th in that division last year. Add in OU and the cards turn up 7 or 8 for A&M (assuming a 16-team SEC with Clemson and FSU in the East).

The Houston Chronicle reports this morning that Dodds blinked. Plans to televise LH and HS football games are both on hold. Seems like Dodds is more involved in progamming than some believed.

And another thing. Shouldn’t the bloggers give the gomers a little credit sometimes? I call BS on aggy not being able to compete in the SEC. After all, they are 13-12 against us in the past quarter century and 3-2 against us in the past 5 years and about to make it worse this year. Better them in the SEC than us. We are not exactly a conference winning machine ourselves.

Uh, what’s going to happen when aggie reads this quote from SEC Commish Mike Slive:

“It’s time to push the reset button on the regulatory rules on recruiting in order to move away from the idea that recruiting rules are designed to create a level playing field. There are significant differences between institutions in resources, climate, tradition, history, stadiums and fan interest and many other things that make the idea of a level playing field an illusion. Rules limiting text messaging and phone calls won’t alter that.”

Where are they going to threaten to go next? Because clearly the SEC plays by the same rules the Big 12 does – namely, that he who has the gold, makes the rules. It’s not about a level playing field – it’s about making an advantage for yourself and then using that advantage to pummel the shit out of your opponents.

Colorado Ag, our arrogance is far from standard thank you very much.

50 Years Watching -

You didn’t go back far enough. They’re 3-8 against us over the last 11.

During that same period, we’re 3-2 vs. the SEC. No idea what aggie’s record vs. SEC is over that time frame because I don’t care, but I know of at least 3 losses (2 vs. arky and 1 vs. LSU) in the last two years alone.

aggie gets bent in the SEC, in return for which they open the door to Texas recruits to the eastern hordes. Bad move.

kind of insulting to a league that you have won three times in 15 years.

..and what does Texas A&M’s record of winning it zero times in the last 13 years portend for its entry into a tougher league….?

Interesting back peddling by Dodds and Beebe – however, they’ve left themselves a lot of wiggle room in those statements.

However, the 600 lbs gorilla here is ESPN – who continues ot havea hard time selling this network. Without conference games and high school games, ESPN will have an even harder time selling this network.

I say we show cartoons on Saturday morning.

“Seems like Dodds is more involved in progamming than some believed”

quite the opposite. from the dmn article:

"ESPN knows we don’t want to violate any NCAA rules. They don’t want us to," Dodds said, indicating a willingness to work through the process on televising high school games.
"That would not be a way we want a recruiting advantage. This will be a service to high school football. We don’t want it tied to Texas."

apparently we have voiced what we would like the network to do, but it is up to the network to make the decisions. the problem with what programming geek dave brown said was that he delineated an inflammatory approach. it inflamed our conference mates and others and probably inflamed us, since we knew that approach would cause trouble.

one problem this illustrates IS that deloss is not involved in programming. deloss may have a lot better sense than the espn/lhn people, and that is going to be trouble if they can’t get everybody on the same page.

brown created a firestorm with his foolhardy or cunning remarks, depending on whether he wanted this blow-up or not. regardless, i think he has shown he can’t work with us, and i think he will soon be looking for work.

as distressing as this situation is, i am pleased that it got deloss to express our interest in showing the hs games. it is almost exactly what i envisioned and is the right approach, i believe. i guess i would be thunderstruck if we didn’t take the right approach because of who we are.

“LHN is nothing like, yaknow, Notre Dame on f*cking NBC every single football weekend for two decades. You know that, right? And we all know how much that helps Notre Dame recruit.

But those high school games would have been fun to watch. Sh*t. I’m pissed at you guys right now. And a little drunk (hic)

Also, I don’t think you understand what "low hanging fruit" means."

Dagga, you’re officially now my favorite poster on this site. Sailor, parlin, and Scipio, back-of-the-bus with you!!!!

coolhorn FTW.

The "Aggy can’t compete in the SEC" is low hanging fruit and kind of insulting to a league that you have won three times in 15 years.

Thanks, Mack, for leaving us w/o a smart retort other than “Yeah, well, that’s 3 times more than you.”

“After last year, and the way in which it unfolded, prompted me to say we’re really comfortable [with 12 teams] unless there’s a paradigm shift,” Slive said. “Now things have settled down. At the same time, one of my responsibilities is to do what’s in the long-term best interests of the SEC.”

slive’s comments suggest to me that they are exactly where they were last year when all the realignment fuss hit. at that time the sec was perfectly comfortable with its 12 members until the pac threatened to go 16, whereupon the knee-jerk sec reaction was to make some tentative offers. slive said then it was in response to the ramping up of the pac and that given their own initiative they wouldn’t be expanding. i don’t see anything in the situation here or the wording of comments that suggests that right now is any different than before the pac action last year.

boren even commented last year that the proposed move to the pac had been planned and thoroughly considered but that his opinion was the offer from the sec was strictly reactionary.

two years ago, three years ago, four years ago, the sec could have made a run at ou and a&m and would have had a very good chance at snaring them, but no attempt or even consideration, to my knowledge, was put forth. my guess is the ‘paradigm shift’ that slive speaks of would be precipitated — like last year — by the behavior of another conference.

the only thing that might change the complexion of the moment from that of last year is the renewed vigor of an embarrassed ncaa enforcement division. whether that would suggest a need to bring in two more members is questionable in my mind unless the two were texas and notre dame, say. two prominent programs with very little infraction history might help with the perceived direction of the sec, but neither the sooners nor the ags would help even a little with that.

the funny thing about this discussion is how wrapped up in hypotheticals people are getting on both sides. The A&M to the SEC is nothing but a bluff. The biggest impediment to them moving is their own administration. They stood up against the overwhelming majority of it’s alumni base by accepting Beebe’s IOU written on a napkin. Any discussion about A&M leaving is moot because their leadership is determined to preserve the status quo. They will take Beebe’s compromise as a way to sell to their unbelieving fanbase that a compromise has been reached and then let Texas sneak in what they want when they think no one is watching. Texas is being smart to call their bluff because every Aggie knows they have leadership that folds like a lawn chair. Their mistake was to push the HS games and the conference game at the same time, because the network is still fresh in people’s minds and it was going to get a lot of scrutiny it might have avoided if it spaced it out. The SEC won’t add A&M or OU unless they have ACC teams to add to the East because then they would be forced to split up Alabama-Auburn which isn’t happening.

this is what will happen. Beebe offers a ‘peace’ settlement that appeases A&M and OU until the coast is clear, and then give Texas what it wanted ‘for being supportive’ for the best interests of the conference. Then you will get phony protests from A&M and OU so they can pretend to be offended and act like they are listening to their fanbases. This pattern will go on for the next decade spurned on by something like ESPN moving the Thanksgiving game to LHN to boost ratings because they have the rights to the game-they just have to honor the financial obligations of the contract.

I am not at all interested in the LHN. I suspect that any additional revenue we derive from it will be used to add more assisitant athletic director positions, car allowances, and country club memberships, and perhaps a small fleet of private jets. Maybe the athletic department will buy its own private island in the Caribbean so that coaches and administrators can have a nice place to visit if we go to an unsatisfactory bowl, or no bowl at all. Remember, these are the folks who raised ticket prices after a losing season (without a peep of protest). Their goose is laying platinum eggs, and they are feasting on them.

I don’t think the LHN translates into a single win on the field.

The Big 12(10) is a house of cards. When it collapses, I hope Texas goes independent, which would allow us to play OU and A&M every year without the additional burden of a conference death march.

The LHN really is the first nuclear weapon, we don’t have the delivery system in place quite yet. Once we do, we’ll be able to go all North Korea fuck you we’re doing whatever crazy ass thing we want.

Basically the DFW article is saying that OU and ATM have some limited ability to restrain the LHN as long as we are in a conference together, mainly because UT wants to play nice, but if they do leave for the SEC, the LHN would be free to televise whatever we want.

I don’t think either of them would gain more than they would lose if that happens.

it’s all just a big mess. ESPN might be the ones choosing the HS games, but they are not stupid, they have their own recruiting analysts who can tel them who Texas is targeting. Do we really think having Brenham was just a coincidence? ESPN is an independent 3rd party the same way Moveon.org or Karl Rove’s PAc are. They might be separate but they share the same agenda. ESPN is financially invested to make sure 5-7 never happens because the only way this deal is profitable is if Texas is playing nor a national title or in the top 5. That provides the motive to do whatever it can to help them win. If you are a Texas fan, it’s a great thing because the most important player in college sports is going to subsidize the risk and allow you to collect on your winnings. If you are not a burnt orange fan, you can see a stacked deck and know something must be done. I’m sure when they originally heard of the LHN they didn’t associate it being run by ESPN, that was being shortsighted, and they have to deal with it. I do think it’s in the best interests of both A&M and Texas to split. Let the Aggies join the SEC and see if they can survive and let Texas go independent. If they want to keep the Thanksgiving game then so be it, but if they dont-just move on.

“I don’t think either of them would gain more than they would lose if that happens.”

Roach, that’s pretty much the crux of it. Well, that and OU and A&M won’t be allowed to leave. Oh, and also, have they even been invited to the SEC party this year. That kinda needs to happen first, no?

Why are we waiting on what OU and A&M do? Let’s bolt to the SEC first and leave them in the dust

Last I looked, the SEC had quite a large contract with ESPN themselves (I believe 15 years 2.25 billion). Would the SEC then really agree to be used by two non-conference schools to hurt the profitability of a new ESPN channel?

Another reason to see and treat this as an empty threat. The “put on hold” release is hopefully just another way of saying we’ll do it (the right way) as soon as the NCAA rules, but don’t need to hear all the bellyachin’ between now and then.

Mysterious Package,
This angle has crossed my mind. When, I should say IF-and that’s a big IF- the SEC should begin to express interest in the OU/A&M package, Texas should just say, “OK, let me propose a deal. How about we come over and we’ll bring a date.” SEC would much prefer Texas and anyone over OU and A&M, BOOK IT, MoFo!

It’s very likely that the SEC would accept UT with open arms and if they want us to choose a partner to bring we can and should do that too. Someone will be the odd man out either OU or A&M.

I’ve been saying for months that even though the SEC is the option Texas likes least, it may well turn out to be their best.

I would prefer to not see Texas associated with the SEC, but Aggie and sooner need to understand Texas can steal their SEC girlfriend anytime it wants.

MP –
or they could just take us and dump Vandy. Which would put the SEC championships in debate and internal medicine totally up for grabs.

I gotta say, the talk about showing OOS HS games and using that as recruiting leverage did strike me as a little unseemly. I know it’s frustrating to be such a powerhouse relying almost exclusively on in-staters and doing it (mostly) clean, and then watch Auburn and Oregon play for a NC while dripping with sewage. But I think we (and by we I mean the Texas Exes running LHN) take this as a challenge to use the network in other ways to make it appealing viewing. Give Beanie Wylie a show where he details his workouts and gives advice to h.s. kids on how to use their workouts to develop their bodies safely while they’re still growing. Even get a little nerdy with it and have biochem professors do short spots where they talk about how hormones change while you’re a teenager, and natural levels of HGH and testosterone spiking when you do compund lifts. Do a show with Coach Akina where he brags about DBU and shows clips of the Griffins, Mike Huff and Earl Thomas go from raw hs talent to clueless freshman to dominant upperclassmen to studs in the pros. And show tons of hot Texas co-eds. Like every 30 seconds between cuts just flash another shot of a smoking hot girl on campus walking to class. This network shouldn’t be “what BC and the cosm readers want to see;” it should be what the kids we want to sell on the 40 acres would want to see.

Some of you have been sniffin Texas jock straps too long…The SEC has already invited OU to join them and have left the door open. OU could still beat your butt once a year if they leave for the SEC. Don’t worry and enjoy your Cow Channel.

 
h/t to Cowboys Ride For Free

What the fuck. Texas to the SEC. I see panic has settled in with some of you limp dicks.

Wow. Just wow. Love all the speculation.

Its interesting to see the true colors of each schools fans when it all comes down to it….in public, its “Oh we dont want to give up a 100+ year rivalry!!” and, “Oh we love our state rival schools!!”…and, “Oh we want to stick to together and keep this conference alive and not go suck on the genitals of the older conferences so we can perhaps get a prime seat in the conference realignment game of musical chairs!”…..LOL!!!

But then when it all comes down to it that’s exactly what all this is. Musical chairs. Who will end up hangin out in one of the basically 3 large conferences left and fight for their recruits while playing in stadiums 5-700 miles away, or who will end up making the leap into a “conference USA” and trying to surround themselves with the last few remaining schools that have anything close to a notable tradition and a well known mascot….or maybe one that could be palatable with a enough ESPN salad dressing. And then hope like hell that the other conferences beat each other into submission so that when you go 11-0 or 12-0 you can make it to the title game…

Thats what its all coming down to..nothing more nothing less. You can make networks, go independent, pretend you don’t care, act like just because you are Texas it will all work out..etc, etc…doesn’t matter. The Big 12 could have been a fantastic conference for years but apparently there was simply not enough love given to a few folks. How the Pac 10 has been solid and the Big 12 cratered is beyond me.

If the Big 12 is to survive then there needs to be a paradigm shift like someone said earlier. The partners in the Big 12 need to stop playing poker with each other behind each others backs while grinning and start talking about going forward…open up to adding other teams…AND HAVING A NETWORK THAT IS WORTH A DAMN FOR THE WHOLE CONFERENCE. Honestly, what is the fear in bringing in say…TCU? Or…whats wrong with inviting ND? If we are to get invited to a conference 1000 miles away why can’t ND, who has expressed interest in being in a conference over the years, join the Big 12? If you laugh, you are just falling back into the same mind trap that has doomed us into the current problems the Big 12 has fallen into….

On a side note…if all this talk about norman wanting to run off to the SEC is true then it wouldn’t surprise me one bit. But tex needs to stop looking down its nose at all the other schools (since it got it bloodied last year anyway ;)) and start working to keep a conference alive that may be its only ticket to having another shot at a title game in the years to come. And that mainly is a note to the fans…I see some posts that are laced with pompous bs…so pipe down and get in line.

The super conferences are already in place. Too bad we aren’t in one of them.

We can go to the SEC if we stop playing grab ass

For a “backwater school” Arkansas sure has Dagga ’Roosta’s attention – unfortunately, detail is not her strong suit – I’ll give her the dismal bowl record – in the back of our minds, even though we are always excited about going bowling, we cringe a bit because traditionally we just have not done well in our bowl games – but this goes way beyond our 20 SEC history – we just have never been a good bowl program – having said that, while we struggle in bowls, that doesn’t mean we lay down during the regular season – we usually beat who we are “supposed to” and win some that we are not – as they say on Wall Street, past performance is not a good predictor of future success, but since joining the SEC, we have become more than competitive and on any given weekend can topple the big dogs (LSU, Bama, Auburn) especially in our own division – we have had a little success with the Vols and Georgia – Florida has had our number, however – it is not true that we have not won anything – 3 SEC West Championships do count for something -‘there are several “original” SEC schools that have never even made it to Atlanta much less won there – as for “backing in to the Sugar Bowl,” we’ll we didn’t win it, but were situated in the polls more or less where we should have been and I would imagine the committee took into account that our only losses were to the previous NCAA champs (Alabama) and the undefeated and eventual National Champs Auburn – if you had watched that game, Auburn was absolutely given two touchdowns to “win” it – as for the Sugar Bowl itself, we “lost” to the infamous Buckeyes whose top 5 players who prior to the Bowl were “suspended” for the next season – they were allowed to play in the bowl however and “beat us” by less than a TD – since then, all heck has broken loose there and they have “vacated” all their wins from last year – the “backing in” comment" is not appropriate

Roosta forgot to mention other sports – we have won multiple SEC championships in pretty much everything else (baseball, basketball and dare we mention track and field?) – we also have had National Championships in all of the above except baseball…..we have been to the CWS several times)

Anyway, we likely will never have the success in football that UT and OU have had – we’ll almost always be competitive, however – same with UT in baseball, don’t think we could ever pull even – as much success as UT has had against us in those sports, however, we have had the same advantage in Track and Field and to a lesser degree in basketball

In any event, I realize the discussion is not centered on Arkansas, but you know how it is with some fans, they need to be educated a bit

Lastly, I would love to have the Aggies join the SEC – their football program is on the rise and as you all know, they have won 3 track and field championships in a row (both men and women), women’s basketball and went to the CWS – hopefully all this realignment talk is not just smoke and mirrors

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