Perry Wants Hot SEC Action

Cheerleaders Bush and Perry prove that Democrats will never re-take the Governor’s mansion until they run their own cheerleader candidate. It worked for Kay Bailey, too.

Kay fell a litttttttttle short in her quest for the governors mansion

Meh. You put your money in one hole and words come out of another hole. It’s not like we’re talking about a human being.

Hmmm, I didn’t actually see anything in that article that indicated that Perry wants the SEC.

I thought it was kind of an open secret that he has a heavy hand in all A & M policy decisions. But you’re right, it’s not explicit in this article.

Kay fell a litttttttttle short in her quest for the governors mansion

Did she? Didn’t know she even quested that. Heard she was a Seniletress, though. Sorta counts for political successability, yeah?

Insert standard “poly-ticks” definition, substitute “cock” for “blood” and “cheerleader” for “insect”.

Fixed it.

This is so humorous. Aggies are in a great position right now - top 10 directors cup athletic department, preseason top 10 football team in a conference where they shouldn’t lose more than twice this year -- a conference where they got special financial treatment upon its formation!!

And they want to leave because the LHN is an “unfair advantage?” To go to a conference where cheating, or attempted cheating, has been the norm for some time?sss Add that to the fact that Florida has the same deal Texas has with Sun Sports (no it’s not ESPN, but everyone in Florida has that channel), and that unless CBS/ESPN renegotiates, which they’ve said they would not do barring massive realignment, A&M makes less money, it’s even more mind boggling.

That chart Scip tracked down a few weeks ago really does say it all. This is an F Texas move more than it is good for A&M’s program.

Of course the network is an unfair advantage! I mean, how can you compete with a 3D UT Tower commercial for the Longhorn Networ?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgB8fqZ64U4&feature=digest_wed

In all seriousness, that is pretty cool.

This is a good time for aggie to make a move. Their program is better off now than they have been since, what? 1996? And the SEC is a better cultural fit for them, considering that they’ve compromised their already laughable academics by knuckling under to Perry’s “productivity” metrics and evaluation. At this rate, they’ll be on a level with Tech before the end of the decade.

Who will miss aggie? We’ll still play them on Thanksgiving, I imagine. The only downside is that the SEC will have an ‘in’ in Texas. OK, that’s a huge downside. I need a drink.

The move makes no sense for Aggie. They will not be a powerhouse in the SEC — they will struggle every year, against better competition than they have faced in the Big 12. In addition, I think they have run a clean program since Sherril left, which means they will struggle recruiting. And it will give the SEC powerhouses a serious inroads into Texas that is bad for the state.

rick really brings it and looks light on his feet cheering but why does he need a halter top/sash thing? Most male nipple is allowed almost anywhere food isn’t present so go bare or go home. I can see how his enthusiasm won him the governorship but now he’s playing for the hearts of Nick Sabin and Co. and it’s going to take more than a short skirt and pompoms to pull some sway. Plus Nick is pretty butch so he probably prefers a more natural look so Rick would do well to not shave (not homo).

how sure are we that the ags to sec means serious inroads into texas for the sec powerhouses beyond what they already have? convince me.

also, is it conceivable that the ags to sec move frees us from our encumbrances? i would need some convincing there, too, but if so, i can see us looking at the ags moving and saying, ‘oh, please, please.’

It’s not a secret at all. Recently he yanked their chancellor and stuck in another more to his liking.

This, really, is all a Texas governor ever does: appoint people to non-legislative positions. That and fail to pardon prisoners who seek reprieve. They are largely powerless in the area of actually creating law, and it’s amazing to me that the media is oblivious to this.

When Perry enters the race, he will be all about the so-called Texas miracle of job creation… which he, divorced from any sort of real policy-making, did not create in any way. But the media will ignore that truth, and instead concentrate on the related and more debatable subject of whether there actually was a Texas miracle.

There is always the false presumption that as governor, he is running the state (when in fact the lt. governor is running the state). If someone nicknamed Perry “The Queen” as an acknowledgement of his figurehead status, it would be, let’s just say, appropriate.

yeh,

i am thinking along the same lines in terms of recruiting. will a&m perhaps be able to improve recruiting by selling the conference strength? maybe. will other sec schools all of a sudden be snapping up top tier recruits in TX? i am not so sure. they are already recruiting here, their games are already on cbs – so A&M will not all of a sudden put them on more tv sets, and they will still focus on talent in their own states.

and don’t tell me how many kids mizzou, nebraska etc. started pulling from the state once they moved into the Big 12. those schools load up on kids that we do not offer – still good players, but it is not as if there are a ton of head to head battles.

I thought it was kind of an open secret that he has a heavy hand in all A & M policy decisions.

I need things to be explicitly spelled out. I’m slow like that.

@ LLJ – Don’t forget, the media has also ignored the fact that TX leads the U.S. in minimum-wage jobs.

Now fellas, I’ll say this gently because everyone has been pretty good so far, we can (and should!) freely mock the man for male-cheerleading and clumsy academic meddling, but we need to steer clear of actual politics. Leave that for boring people. Let’s stick with ad hominem attacks and lightly veiled homo-phobia.

Proceed.

@ Big Ern – There are at least 2 major differences b/t Mizzou, Neb., etc. & the SEC:

1. The SEC lacks scruples in terms of recruiting & other off-the-field issues; and

2. Bama, LSU, et al. are bigger draws to potential FB recruits than most of the old Big 8.

True, the SEC is already on TV sets across the nation thanks to CBS, but don’t count out how much of an influence being able to stay in state yet play against the SEC would have on recruits & their families.

@ Toadvine – Ok, you’re an asshole who secretly views gay S&M porn. :)

Perry. PeRRY? PEERRYY!!!

Slowly I turned. Inch by inch, step by step…

Someone explain to me how A&M moving to the SEC gives them an “in” into Texas recruiting, is it a rules thing? I find it hard to believe that elite Texas high school athletes are unaware that there is good football being played in the SEC, or that the SEC will be made more attractive to them by A&M being a member.

I only care about 3 things with regard to UT football.
1) UT continues to play A&M and OU every year at their usual time and venue
2) The rest of the schedule is difficult enough to make a national championship a possibility, or at least there are 1 or 2 more games to get me really amped up in anticipation.
3) I get all the games on my TV.

Beyond that, I don’t care what conference anybody is in, or how much money anybody is making. So far, for all the hype the only thing I can tell the LHN has done is make it less likely I am going to get to watch football games on my TV. As of last week, Time Warner says they are only carrying LHN in Austin and surrounding areas (not including Dallas), and AT&T Uverse not at all. I’ll be pissed if that doesn’t change before Rice.

Politics? I thought we were talking about corruption.

Oh, right.

Texas construction sites aren’t raining Mexicans because of some boring ideological bullshit that could derail this thread, you know. Somebody paid good money for those mojados muertos.

joetx, the sec already lacks scruples. a&m wouldn’t teach them any new tricks. why is it playing in c-station occasionally is expected to supercharge their texas efforts?

i know why the ags are so hot to go east. the only success they’ve ever enjoyed has come while they cheated furiously, and they believe they can regain their mantle in a setting where cheating is a way of life. i just can’t see the for sure benefit to the sec.

The only thing that bothers me about a possible ag move to the SEC is the recruiting. I think that if they do move, Texas should look for better OOC games to play. I could care less about that “rivalry.”

Realistically, if the ags do move, what does that look like for Texas? Independent? Join the Pac 12 with a few other schools? Would Texas be stuck with Tech, & Baylor? I know there was discussion of this last summer, but I’ve only seen it in terms of “the legislature won’t let Texas and a&m move without taking care of the other schools.” Can anyone trace out for me what happens with all the other Big 12 schools if the collies go away?

This might be a good financial move for the Aggies, but there’s a 1.3% chance it will be a good football move. The new SEC-14 will be a meat-grinder.

The “SEC effect” in recruiting is marginal when not accompanied by big bags of cash. Recruits care far more about winning than they care about conference prestige. If Texas returns to its 10+ win per season ways, A&M will not not win those recruiting battles without a similar level of success in the SEC. And how likely is that to happen?

In the Aggies new divisional home, the SEC West, Alabama, LSU, and Auburn are all stronger programs. Arkansas has historically been a stronger program than A&M and has a winning record against the Aggies, but we’ll be generous and say that the move to the SEC has exposed the Hogs’ lack of a recruiting base, and the Aggies are now stronger. So the Aggies will be the fourth strongest team in their division.

In the SEC East, Florida, Tennessee, and Georgia are all stronger than A&M already. They’ll need to bring in another team to avoid having an unlucky 13 teams. If that team is FSU or possibly Va Tech, Texas A&M will be the eighth strongest program in a 14 team conference.

Compare that to the Big 12, where the Aggies are probably the third strongest program. You’re much better off in the current BCS system as a big fish in small pond than as a relatively smaller fish in a bigger pond. It will especially hilarious if the Aggies win 10+ games this year and make a BCS bowl or even win the conference before bolting for the SEC, where such success is likely to consistently elude them.

I’m not sure what the TV deal with LHN will be. I wish you could buy it on-line — I assure you it won’t be part of any subscription package where I live. We need SRR on this one.

I think that practically, having SEC games in College Station will make recruiting Texas players an easier sell in terms of homesickness (not to be discounted when you’re talking about 18-year olds), ease of family travel, and sideline access for recruits. This stuff does matter. Texas’ traditional recruiting bases (at least recently) may not be the most effected, but if I were OU or OSU I’d be pretty nervous about some of the Houston kids those programs have been steadily pulling.

The long of it is that it would be terrible for A&M in football, and terrible for A&M because (and I’m not calling them equals, just saying) other than Vanderbilt, A&M is academically in a different class from the other SEC schools. That matters for non-revenue sports, in particular.

Someone explain to me how A&M moving to the SEC gives them an "in" into Texas recruiting, is it a rules thing?

I’m highly skeptical of this as well. It’s not like you can’t watch every major SEC game in Texas as it is.

As of last week, Time Warner says they are only carrying LHN in Austin and surrounding areas

I did not know that. That’s good news for me.

But all this hoopla about LHN, pro and con, seems pretty clueless to me. UT is getting a big piece of a dying medium. Nearly 200,000 people dropped cable in the last quarter alone, replacing it with online streaming media. aggie will look pretty stupid in ten years if they leave over this.

OK, they were going to look stupid anyway, but you see what I mean.

“Let’s stick with ad hominem attacks and lightly veiled homo-phobia.”

So did his wife walk in on him playing butt darts, or not?"

"Perry was asked by reporters from the paper on Wednesday about recent swirling speculation surrounding the move.

“I’ll be real honest with you. I just read about it the same time as y’all did. … As far as I know, conversations are being had. That’s frankly all I know. I just refer you to the university and the decision makers over there.”

There’s less to see here than a man in a milk suit. But getting the Governor on record saying nothing counts for something to Aggies who are desperate to add legitimacy to the imminence of their threat.

The end of August will pass in a few weeks, the LHN will launch, and football season will be underway. It’ll be interesting to see what happens when Aggie crisis fatigue sets in. If they insist on maintaining this fever pitch for months on end, any generalized sympathy they enjoy will dull and the risk will grow for a broader backlash.

Even with established ties to coaches and players in the state, exactly how many Texas kids has Will Muschamp been able (or tried) to pull to Florida? These schools are not going to magically raid Texas talent because aggy moves over there and receives annual gang raping.

Someone correct me if I miss anything, here.

A&M was offered the opportunity to join with us as 50-50 partners in a network. They turned it down on the belief that it wouldn’t work and because their athletic department had borrowed $16 million from the school they couldn’t pay back because their brand and management sucks. They didn’t want to invest money they didn’t have on network infrastructure betting on the come.

The Big 12 conference has voted that any school owns its own Tier 3 rights and may start their own network if they choose. Texas chose, A&M didn’t. Texas makes a monumental deal with ESPN.

Fast forward to today, where they whine about us televising high school games of kids who have already committed to us and we agree not to for a year, pending a ruling from the NCAA.

So, we’ve yielded to their whining and they got what they wanted. It’s still so unbearable that we had the vision and the brand to put together a lucrative deal with ESPN and they didn’t. A&M is so butt-hurt over all this that they’re willing to go get ass-raped in the SEC and open up Texas to the cheaters in the SEC so they can make a point. That point being that A&M is fucking stupid and their penis envy knows no bounds.

If they’re that stupid, let them go.

I assume everyone has already seen this?

Just a little over a year ago:

http://spenceparksoapbox.fantake.com/2010/08/02/texas-am-to-begin-sec-play-in-2013/

AAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! You cannot unsee! YOU CAN NOT UN-SEE!!!

I take these rumors seriously. The aggie president could have easily squelched them and instead has chosen to be noncommittal.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, my friends in aggieland. Frankly, many of us who are UT alums would like a little more distance between the schools.

Spider, the whole professor profitabiltiy thing is a UT alum brainchild – he’s Clipper Cooper with an MBA I haven’t heard that we’re going ahead with any of that crap, but who knows.

Totally agree with Blueshorn’s sentiments. Their opportunity to join us on a network and turning it down is reminiscent of what happened with the Permanent Endowment Fund. That’s like refusing to invest in Coca Cola or Apple early on and then being so mad that you only drink Pepsi or use HP’s, all the while screaming how unfair it is and villanizing Asa Griggs Candler and Steve Jobs.

Just prepare yourself. If the Aggies happen to beat Arkansas this year on October 1, the screams from the Aggie faithful will be deafening. It does not take long for the delusions to begin. If I am an Aggie fan, I would be concerned about the long culture in the SEC for cheating and the poor academics in the SEC west.

KT: Yeah, it’s his “Seven Meaningless Buzzwords that Belong on the Shopping Network,” but Perry installed the regents who would let him push it, then pushed it, then installed a shadow chancellor to punish those opposed to it, but he got ambushed on his own bad “research” and was shown the door.

The Pres has co-opted their rhetoric (see his last speech) without actually doing anything, which is the best way to handle these assholes.

don’t know how many here recall the post last year from a northwestern fan with big ten connections that started the huge brouhaha. anyway, he posted this yestiddy:

Today was a very busy day in Park Ridge. For the Big Ten, the writing has been on the wall: we’re going to 16-team super-conferences.

Invitations to join the conference remain in the hands of the appropriate parties at Notre Dame and Texas. The Big Ten believes that Notre Dame will join once Texas joins the conference. Texas wishes to join the Big Ten with its Longhorn Network, as a non-participant in the Big Ten Network. This scenario remains feasible.

The Big Ten is now operating under the presumption that A&M currently plans to leave the Big XII for the SEC. However, there is haste to consider an invitation to A&M immediately. The message to A&M has not yet been met with adequate response by the relevant parties at A&M. Though an invitation has not been settled upon, one likely will soon be forthcoming to Texas A&M. The Chancellors and Presidents have a conference scheduled to give provisional approval to invite A&M to the conference. It is expected that the Big Ten Chancellors and Presidents will find that A&M would add a unique level of tradition and academic prestige to the conference.

Separately, A&M stands to benefit the most from joining the Big Ten conference. In particular, A&M would reap the benefits from the Big Ten Network – which Park Ridge thinks would vastly outweigh the benefits that A&M would receive from the SEC. In particular, the Big Ten Network’s reach is and likely always will capture a vastly wider audience than the Longhorn Network, and with A&M’s addition to the Big Ten, will include the geographic footprint of the entire state of Texas.

With regard to the benefits A&M stands to gain from Big Ten membership, the Big Ten feels that the Big Ten Network would obviously more than offset the competition for eyeballs of recruits in the state of Texas from the Longhorn Network. The terms of the offer given to Texas include the right for Texas to maintain and independently operate the Longhorn Network, and thus not share in the financial benefit of the BTN. (Texas would receive equal voting rights and treatment in all other operations and activities of the conference aside from participation in the BTN.)

If A&M left the Big XII for the SEC, the Big Ten believes that the resulting political circumstances in the state of Texas would enable the University of Texas to leave the Big XII to join the Big Ten conference, regardless of the decisions made by the other Texas universities (with regard to the Big XII conference).

The Big Ten is actively pursuing the relevant parties at A&M and expanding discussions. This week, for the first time since the conference explored expansion possibilities, the notion that Texas and Texas A&M could join the Big Ten instead of Texas and Notre Dame as members 13 and 14 were openly considered. In such circumstances, the Big Ten believes that once Texas and Texas A&M join the conference, Notre Dame almost certainly would immediately follow, and several universities are in consideration for the sixteenth member, as I mentioned on the Rock. Should Texas and Texas A&M commit simultaneously to the Big Ten, the Big Ten expects to jointly announce the addition of four teams total to create a 16 team conference shortly thereafter.

We’re currently in a period of acceleration of activity much like that which came before the invitation extended to Nebraska. The Big Ten seems poised to act immediately if A&M responds to certain overtures.

http://northwestern.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=57&tid=161240718&mid=161240718&sid=901&style=2

make of it what you will.

AiT —

Do you think the LHN was the impetus for the legal argument that your sources predicted? This just seems suicidally dumb to me, for A&M.

didn’t mean to just bold the two paragraphs. wanted the whole quote to stand out as such.

heir opportunity to join us on a network and turning it down

Source for this rumor?

spider- hilarious Thujone installation. And to think Bob Stoops has a goiter. I always assumed it was a botched chin implant.

Invitations to join the [Big Ten] conference remain in the hands of the appropriate parties at Notre Dame and Texas.

OK, there is one reason why this needs to happen: because Nebraska will plotz. Then explode. Then immolate itself like a Buddhist monk. Then hang itself with its own entrails. Then spontaneously burst back into flame out of sheer rage. Then attack a cameraman. Quick break for a runza, then wail at the moon, why oh why. Then kill a drifter behind the Casey’s. More burning. Then settle down to watch their team lose to Texas again. Maybe kick the dog later, depending on beer consumption.

Toadvine,

No. I believe that the LHN is, to some extent, an example of the type of thing that is encouraging A&M to switch conferences. But it is not the end all reason. Let me explain.

The belief at the highest levels of the administration is that A&M should be in a fair athletic conference. A fair conference is one that is defined as a confederation of equals working together to the financial benefits of the conference.

Now, we know that all schools are not equal. But, in a healthy conference (in our Admins eyes), the schools share revenue equally and promote the conference as a whole.

This gets us to what the base problem with being in the Big XII is. First, revenue is not shared equally. Indeed, we are guilty of taking part in that. We regret that, but were somewhat forced into a corner over it last summer when we were NOT ready to leave for the SEC. Now, what about Tier III rights? Look to the nascent reformulated conference to see one of two paths – either an SEC netowrk (not very likely) or the whole conference working to help members build their own networks.

Secondly, a conference should focus on building up the image and visibility of the conference – creating the brand. It is believed Texas is 100% focused on only building their own brand, not that of the Big XII. Over the course of the last year, Texas has focused on developing their LHN brand,. In fact, much of the contract with ESPN specifically marries the branding of Longhorn athletics to the LHN, not the Big XII. This is troubling.

Also, the Texas athletic department has, since last summer, lied to their A&M counterparts on a number of issues. I’m not going to be specific as it would “out” people I know in the A&M AD. But one example I cna share, just LAST WEEK, a high school district athletic director was telling A&M staff that ESPN had contacted them about moving a game THIS SEASON for telecast. When told they heard the LHN wasn’t doing high school games this season, they were told “We’re gonna show ‘em anyway on another channel and load the broadcast down with ads for the LHN. It’ll be just like it was on the LHN”.

And lastly – there is going to be a major shaking out of D1 football coming – we all know that. it should be obvious that one of the last conferences standing will be the SEC. If you have the opportunity to join, one should do so – expecially if you are in a conference that has a 0% chance of being one of the last standing.

All these things wrapped together have led our Admins to believe that the best thing for the future of our atheltic programs is to join the SEC.

Thanks AiT. Unlike a lot of folks, I don’t want to see A&M fall into a gaping hole. I’m thinking that is exactly what it is doing by walking into the SEC. The fit doesn’t make sense to me and I think the football program will rue the day, but everything I am hearing, from a number of places, is that this is a done deal.

Is it just me that finds it amusing that A&M wants to be in a perfectly fair, equal revenue sharing, dare I say – socialistic – conference?

I thought all the hippy, commie bullshit was for us left-leaning, Leslie-sympathizing wimps in Austin?

I think you all will be surprised at the success the football program will see. I think we would do just FINE in the SEC this season.

One should try to avoid looking at present level of success of a given athletic program and extrapolating it years into the future to suggest where a school “falls in the pecking order”. In 2004, A&M has only had one winning basketball season in the previous 11 and had just gone 7-21, including 0-16 in conference. Where does this program fall in the pecking order now?

bingo, spider.

. . . and crowbar. irony is a bitch. like the conservative, indepedent texas legislature deciding that poor baylor can’t make it on their own but must have a sugar daddy.

The belief at the highest levels of the administration is that A&M should be in a fair athletic conference. A fair conference is one that is defined as a confederation of equals working together to the financial benefits of the conference.

Now, we know that all schools are not equal. But, in a healthy conference (in our Admins eyes), the schools share revenue equally and promote the conference as a whole.

I think the farting aggie band would sound fabulous playing this.

“I think we would do just FINE in the SEC this season.”

ag, it’s statements like that that clue the rest of the known universe in on the ag mindset.

16th in B1G is… Mizzou? Not much worse than Golden Gophers or Purdue, right? If agy doesn’t want in, paperclips do, but does B1G want the ’clips?

Florida has its own channel already. The SEC in-fights all the time. I don’t understand this rosy picture that is being painted of the SEC. Sure they share revenue. Kudos to them. I am sure Florida still makes a bit more off of TV than Vanderbilt due to Tier III rights. I am also pretty sure Florida is helping Georgia build infrastructure to help them compete better on the recruiting front. If I am wrong about that, please show me an article or document I can read so that I will no longer be ignorant.

I think the Aggies motivation for leaving is a complete laughable farce. Even the example given about Texas lying sounds untrue. It was ESPN that contacted the high school! Not Texas! We don’t have control over what ESPN does with high school football games and we can’t force them to show LHN commercials. If they are doing it volitionally, be mad at them, not Texas.

If (when) this happens, I hope Texas shuts A&M out completely and does not schedule any games for any sports with them. We should work to build relationships with other schools. Working with A&M for one second would be a waste of resources in that circumstance.

My only recruiting fear is that A&M and the rest of the SEC starts paying players to go East (of Austin). But I am confident that that kind of behavior would be dealt with harshly if Will Lyles outing is any indication.

I meant Florida isn’t helping Georgia

“One should try to avoid looking at present level of success of a given athletic program and extrapolating it years into the future to suggest where a school "falls in the pecking order". In 2004, A&M has only had one winning basketball season in the previous 11 and had just gone 7-21, including 0-16 in conference. Where does this program fall in the pecking order now?”

I think that’s exactly what we AREN’T doing. A&M should be very good this year. They may even beat Arkansas and win the Big XII – and perhaps would be a top 4 SEC team. But long term, based on A&M’s historical success, I think it’s a more than reasonable opinion that life in the SEC would be pretty hard on A&M football in the long run. I’ll point to football revenue as a start. I believe A&M fell somewhere just above the bottom third of the SEC based on last year, if I remember correctly. Will try to pull the link.

"I think we would do just FINE in the SEC this season."

Gotta hand it to agy, they got the attitude in the right gear. Let’s see how it looks on October 2nd. Sitting at 4-0 will look sweet, and OSU / Arky will be wondering what hit ’em.

If we’re 4-0 that day, I’ll be feeling pretty good, too… but I ain’t countin’ on it real hard.

Are all you guys saying A&M will flop in the SEC the same guys who were swearing up and down A&M didn’t have a stand alone invite to the SEC? If so, I was wondering where you went.

Keep in mind that the SEC schools had the benefit of being in the SEC when you calculate the footbal lrevenue.

Also, wouldn’t it be much more prudent to wait another year or so to move to the SEC in 2013 or 2014?

I can’t imagine starting a new QB in your first year in the SEC (and losing Gray and Fuller) ends all that well.

Garry,

Yeah, 2012 is going to have some new guys coming in, that’s for sure. But it is still unknown whether 2012 or 2013 will be the year we move.

I can’t see the big recruiting benefit to the rest of the SEC that has been tossed out there. Homesick kids will now want to play for another SEC team because they will play games in Texas? Really?

If a player signs with another SEC West team, they will spend a grand total of 2 days playing in Texas out of 4 years. If they sign with an SEC East team, it would be either 1 day, or zero.

If A&M thinks they will now be able to cheat their way to greatness, they should think again. (Actually, that would be a great slogan for the SEC, wouldn’t it?) The other SEC teams have long established networks of boosters ready to funnel cash to recruits. The Aggies would end up paying recruits and then watching them sign with another team, anyway. Anybody else remember the maroon Firebird driven around Dallas for years by Eric Dickerson?

Where does this program fall in the pecking order now?

As I said in my previous post: 7th out of 14 if a team like NC State is the 14th team in the SEC, 8th if the 14th team is FSU. And that was taking the long-term view. You’d be lower if we were to heavily weigh the last decade.

Where am I wrong?

You’re wrong, imho, about your perception.

Regardless – we’re both biased.

I love how aggies climb up on their high horse about revenue sharing when they are taking more money than 7 other schools in the Big 12. These are merely justifications. Aggie has a odd sense that everything in life has to be morally justified. This is why they really believe that anything Longhorn is inherently immoral and wrong and every thing aggie does is what right and beautiful in the world. Aggie infallibility, if you will. So they really have a hard on for the SEC because it has dominated college football this decade and they want to dominate college football so they think it will magically happen for them if they move. This by itself isn’t an honorable enough reason to leave so they’ve created this into a morally superior and noble crusade.

TDL,

Great avatar.

Wouldn’t it be great if we get the University of Houston to replace Aggie in the Big 12? Then they’d have to recruit against an up and coming team in the actual city of Houston that has a better shot of 9 win seasons than A&M will in the SEC.

And Aggies, remember that when Arkansas was in the Big 8 they had great recruits and a national contender pedigree. You would allow specifically them an in back into Texas recruiting, and when you two faced head to head they were better then. Texas, OU, and LSU would still get their guys, but if Alabama comes to the Houston/East Texas area and says ‘If you play for us you’ll get to come home to Texas a couple times in your career AND win national titles" who do you think they will choose? A&M will just be giving itself more big brothers by joining the SEC.

spider said: August 11th, 2011 at 9:52 am

“OK, there is one reason why this needs to happen: because Nebraska will plotz. Then explode. Then immolate itself like a Buddhist monk. Then hang itself with its own entrails. Then spontaneously burst back into flame out of sheer rage. Then attack a cameraman. Quick break for a runza, then wail at the moon, why oh why. Then kill a drifter behind the Casey’s. More burning. Then settle down to watch their team lose to Texas again. Maybe kick the dog later, depending on beer consumption.”

Spider – One of the funniest things I’ve read on this board.

Monahorns – Great points above but especially agree with this
“If (when) this happens, I hope Texas shuts A&M out completely and does not schedule any games for any sports with them.”

Sigh Scratch Big 8, meant SWC. That’s what I get for posting when late to a meeting…

“The belief at the highest levels of the administration is that A&M should be in a fair athletic conference. A fair conference is one that is defined as a confederation of equals working together to the financial benefits of the conference.

Now, we know that all schools are not equal. But, in a healthy conference (in our Admins eyes), the schools share revenue equally and promote the conference as a whole.

This gets us to what the base problem with being in the Big XII is. First, revenue is not shared equally. Indeed, we are guilty of taking part in that."

Oh so aggy, and yet so funny

Ag_in_TX said:

August 11th, 2011 at 10:09 am

The belief at the highest levels of the administration is that A&M should be in a fair athletic conference. A fair conference is one that is defined as a confederation of equals working together to the financial benefits of the conference.

Now, we know that all schools are not equal. But, in a healthy conference (in our Admins eyes), the schools share revenue equally and promote the conference as a whole.

Way to REdefine what a “fair” conference is!

I’m gonna define what a “fair” day for me is: I get to kick a different gomer in the balls at the top of every hour.

Seriously, gomer, after A&M (1) decided to accept a greater share of the NU & CU buyout money when both UT & OU refused; and (2) insisted on having a $20 million annual guarantee from the Big 12-2, you’re gonna pontificate about fairness, equality, & working together? Go sell that bull shit somewhere else.

Also, the Texas athletic department has, since last summer, lied to their A&M counterparts on a number of issues. I’m not going to be specific as it would "out" people I know in the A&M AD. But one example I cna share, just LAST WEEK, a high school district athletic director was telling A&M staff that ESPN had contacted them about moving a game THIS SEASON for telecast. When told they heard the LHN wasn’t doing high school games this season, they were told "We’re gonna show ‘em anyway on another channel and load the broadcast down with ads for the LHN. It’ll be just like it was on the LHN".

Aggy paranoia is getting old.

Wow. Name calling like that brings a new level of maturity to this discussion. Way to go, Idaho! I was simply trying to give you guys the party line that’ll be handed down.

You keep saying “just leave”. Nothing would make us happier.

Go on then. It’s bad for y’all and not great for us. I, for one, don’t wish ill on you. But I don’t think this is going to turn out too well for the school or its football program.

Excuse me, but I don’t see what all the fuss is about. Perry simply said “…they’re having conversations over there…” or something similar. I took that to mean aggies are having conversations amongst themselves – NOT aggies are having conversations with the SEC. Who gives a shit what aggies talk about?

I know they want to glom onto the SEC and look back at us as they ride off on Alabama/Florida/LSU/Georgia/Auburn’s coattails, laughing all the way to the slaughterhouse (after a quick stop at the bank) – but anyone who thinks aggie’s situation is going to improve when they get over there is delusional. The aggies are, what, 0-3 vs. the SEC in their last three attempts? So their recruiting offer is going to sound something like this: “Hey, look, Texas high school football stud – you should come to aggieland. We play in the toughest conference on earth. Why, just last year we lost nearly half of our conference games – but we STILL got to play in the GalleryFurniture.com bowl.”

And Alabama’s pitch is going to sound like this: “The aggies are out bitch. If you want to be our bitch, then you should join them. The only way you’ll ever play a bowl game in Houston if you play for us is if Reliant gets added to the BCS. The bus for Tuscaloosa leaves in a half-hour. Here’s your ticket. And a Rolex.”

I’m just tired enough of the aggie-to-SEC ranting that I would support a secret plan by UT and OU to wrangle their own invites, then accept them out of the blue and leave aggie to run the Big XII. That would be awesome. Plus we’d regularly get to play OU, Arky, LSU, ’Bama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, etc. – all of whom we have a better chance of competing against than do the aggies.

…Alabama’s pitch is going to sound like this: “The aggies are OUR bitch…”

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