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Tuesday Practice Report From The Asset

Let’s begin with the position that has most Longhorn fans choosing sides like Capulet vs. Montague or Hatfield and McCoy, no pun intended. The Asset tells us that Garret Gilbert had a solid day tossing the rock against the Longhorns’ young secondary. The real news however, shines an uncomfortable light on the second slot of the QB depth chart. The Asset tells us that David Ash had a fantastic day in both drill and team work.

In drill work, Harsin asks his charges to literally throw to a bull’s eye and Ash was stellar compared to the other two.

In team work, Ash was clearly better than McCoy and at least as good as Garrett Gilbert. When I asked The Asset to be more specific he said the following, "Based on every measurable-- arm strength, pre-snap calls, accuracy, plays with his feet, he was superior to McCoy and has been for the most part this month. In fact, if Gilbert falters or goes down with an injury, it’s hard to envision Ash not getting the starter’s nod if this camp and especially this practice is any indication. I can’t see him redshirting barring injury. He’s that good."

What’s wrong with McCoy?

"McCoy can check into the right play, but if it’s a question of execution, he either needs to guess right and catch the defense, or he has to have the receiver make a superior play to bail him out. If not, he’s throwing bad interceptions or throwing it into the turf."

Let's just say it wasn't a good day for the current backup QB.

As for the running backs, Whitaker, Brown, and Bergeron split carries with the ones today. Brown and Bergeron are the bruisers who move piles and find hidden yards. Fozzy seems to be the change of pace back who can get behind the big OL and get lost right before he pops out of nowhere for yards. Quentin Griffin comes to mind. But the real story is Bergeron and Brown as hammers running behind this revamped Oline. We haven’t seen a pair like this on the 40 acres for a while.

Cody Johnson had a great day at fullback as a threat catching the ball out of the backfield. Harsinwhite loves his hands and he’ll be used to keep defenses honest. They hit him on a nice wheel route down the field today which should give opposing teams nightmares. Johnson has also done yeoman’s work to become a credible lead blocker. He knows where his NFL bread is buttered that's for sure--it's obvious Cody's in a contract year. Jamison Berryhill knocked some heads today as well and did some nice things in the running game.

At wide receiver, Mike Davis and Jaxson Shipley put on a show in team work today. Harris, White, and Onyegbule got some ancillary run, but today it was all about Ship and Davis.

It was a quiet day at TE. Actually it was an ugly day, as The Asset tells us the group didn’t do much in the passing game, but struggled executing their assignments in the run game. Harsin was pissed, and rightfully so. The tight end position in Harsin's scheme that includes so much motion has to be good or the jig is up before it can get started. Credit some great individual efforts by Brown, Bergeron and Fozzy to find some running room or make something out of nothing at times, but the tight ends have to be better.

On the Oline the star of the day was, who else, Trey Hopkins. He held his own battling Okafor, who Manny Diaz thinks is a Sunday-type of defensive end. Hopkins is the only OT that can hang with Okafor at this point. The disappointment of the day was Dom Espinosa. He struggled with Randall a bit, and Desmond Jackson gave him fits in pass pro. More on that later. Allen, Snow, and Walters round out the starting Oline group. When Allen was left on an island with Jeffcoat and especially Reggie Wilson, he was beaten more times than not.

On the defensive line, Randall remains the most important player on the team. He’s unblockable one on one. He frees up so much along the Dline as long as his motor is running. Getting him some rest will be key in September and October. The other DT Calvin Howell made some plays in the backfield today but he is not as consistent as he needs to be. Desmond Jackson had a giant day in pass rush, getting a few clean escapes that would have been easy sacks in team situations. The kid has found his niche to be sure.

At linebacker The Asset says ho-hum. The top four linebackers Hicks, Acho, Robinson, and Cobbs had rock solid performances individually and as a unit. In fact we ran mostly base 4-3 today. This will be a tough group to slow down once the lights come on. Their talent is on display virtually every practice.

In the secondary, it was Vaccaro and Gideon deep, with Byndom and Diggs at the corner. Phillips got most of the snaps, however, because he played in all the nickel looks and subbed in liberally with Diggs and Byndom in base. Phillips may be the best player in the secondary because he’s versatile, great in coverage, and a physical force in the run game. Texas can go nickel and is still able to compete in the box with Vaccaro, Gideon, and Phillips out there.

Overall, The Asset tells us the team is upbeat and ready to go to battle against Rice. Chemistry is markedly better than it was this time last year, and the boys have a little swagger based on a desire to prove all of the pundits wrong. To say this team has a chip on its shoulder as compared to last season would be an understatement. Hopefully we can keep that going throughout the week and into game day.

Stay tuned for tomorrow’s report. Hook ‘Em!

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by leovilla on Aug 30, 2011 11:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Praise Jesus, from whom all Asset’s reports flow!
Great stuff, thanks!

by sinless1 on Aug 30, 2011 11:34 PM CDT reply actions  

How in the world is Ash not the starter or backup? Someone’s credibility is at stake here. Or the plan all along has been to let Ash split time with the starter, running his custom set of plays, while “the others” duke it out for #1 and #2.

It’s killing me hearing all these glowing reports about DA while the (admittedly dynamic) depth/ORg chart has him as the backup to the backup….

by sinless1 on Aug 30, 2011 11:41 PM CDT reply actions  

To quote that comedy character (Artie Johnson, IIRC, on “Laugh In” — VERRRRRY Eenteresting.

Thanks for the report. I noticed the Statesman’s hacks whining with every response today on their Q&A about not knowing anything about the team because they aren’t allowed to watch practice. Those of us on BC need to remember how good we got it. Thanks, JS, and Asset, and Senor Cigar, and all others who are part of the information-gathering process!!!!!!!

by edsp on Aug 30, 2011 11:48 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks for the update!! OL and DB need a bit more polish!

Confused by the QB order. Play the best player Mack, Fr or Sr!!!

by thecontractor on Aug 30, 2011 11:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks, JS.

“In drill work, Harsin asks his charges to literally throw to a bull’s eye and Ash was stellar compared to the other two.”

Just to clarify… “the other two” being McCoy and Wood, or McCoy and Gilbert? I thought Wood has been away visiting other campuses?

by PoofyBevo on Aug 30, 2011 11:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Poofy, yeah, sorry Wood’s gone man. That’s been the case for a while despite what you might have read in other places. No accuracy for some reason. I’m talking about McCoy and Gilbert. Ash has dominated the accuracy drill throughout fall camp, and we weren’t allowed to post that until today.

by Jesus Shuttlesworth on Aug 31, 2011 12:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks again JS and Jessica Biel

has there been anything invented that could kind of fuse all 3 QBs together into one super qb. mccoy’s brain, ash’s feet and accuracy and confidence, and gilbert’s…….eyes? no…….people skills? no……..eff it. start Ash (wearing #7 to make Gilbert think he’s finally got “it” and “it” happens to be an out of body experience) and have mccoy tell him what plays to check into through a secret earpiece. there. QB issue resolved.

by Pitt on Aug 31, 2011 12:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Really appreciate all of the effort in getting this info. for us.

Excited to get to see all of these new guys on the field on Saturday. Really hope to see Ash.

by Horncasting on Aug 31, 2011 12:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks so much, JS. I’ve miseed these the past several days!

All due respect to everyone involved, I think we just need to chill out about who starts against Rice. And Brad McCoy and Gale Gilbert showing their asses is not doing their sons any good if Harsin is like any football coach I ever knew. Major endured it with Larry so I’m sure he isn’t too thrilled either. In spite of Colt’s success, this program doesn’t owe the McCoy family a goddamned thing—-and certainly not the Gilbert family. That’s high school shit!

Rice isn’t going to beat us so the end game is to win while finding out who can do what and, OBTW, fuck the final score. Frankly, there is no reason to throw Ash out there until after the game has started, which it looks like is what they are going to do anyway. Cream will rise to the top and tactically, putting GG out there with the idea that he has to play well to stay out there is best for the program, IMO. If he succeeds, no harm done. If he falters, that closes the chapter on the “Latest Great UT QB Controversy” for good so we can move on to the next one.

by Jake Lonergan on Aug 31, 2011 12:41 AM CDT reply actions  

“OL and DB need a bit more polish”

lets keep pollacks out of the secondary.

by PVogel on Aug 31, 2011 12:43 AM CDT reply actions  

What in the world are we doing with TE recruiting nowadays? McFarland hasn’t got much pub. Is Bluiett the only guy who can play that position out of the ‘12 class? What’s ’13 look like for TEs?

by Frozen Horn on Aug 31, 2011 12:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for the report. This is much more information than I would have expected considering this is game week. I agree with Jake Lonergan about the QB’s.

by Nevets on Aug 31, 2011 12:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Frozen horn,

There are a couple of outstanding TE prospects in the state for ‘13. However, one is related to UT hater eric dickerson and the other may decide to pursue basketball. Theyre both like 6’6 from what i’ve read/seen. Hopefully the magic that is the harsinwhite offense will persuade one or both to join the fold. But who knows, im sure there will be a few sleepers and late bloomers as well. Its a LONG ways away

by Pitt on Aug 31, 2011 12:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Awesomesauce. Thanks for the report!!!! Sounds like we’re gonna see a LOT of ash.

by thujone on Aug 31, 2011 1:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Jamison Berryhill finally gets a mention that isn’t some kind of play-on-words. BFLT said the kid looked good in the spring. Nice to think he could earn his schollie this year.

by Dagga Roosta on Aug 31, 2011 1:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks Jesus, appreciate the report.

Almost there…what a long weird off season. If I can make it through tomorrow….everything will be ok. Gonna watch Camrhon Hughes and Darius James on Thursday night, hometown guys on Friday and finally the Horns on Saturday!

by Hookem Up on Aug 31, 2011 1:54 AM CDT reply actions  

puts on tinfoil hat

Ash is actually your starter, but the coaches need to wait until the season is underway to make that change. Like everyone has said. If Ash is the starter against Rice, 3 QBs transfer and that would be a disaster. I think there’s a good chance Ash is starting if/when GG plays like the GG of 2010.

by burrito on Aug 31, 2011 2:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Good stuff JS….
I think the boys are begging for some “live fire” action. Memorial Stadium is gonna be rockin Saturday nite.

by JET on Aug 31, 2011 2:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Case McCoy’s mechanics are simply frightening. I really don’t want to dog him because by all accounts he’s a good kid, but if either he or his father thinks he should be starting, they’re being inattentive to the obvious.

And pops (Gilbert or McCoy) can take a hike if he’s pressuring the staff to start his boy. Those guys should know better than to start slinging that crap around.

by TKO on Aug 31, 2011 3:02 AM CDT reply actions  

http://mudvillemusings.blogspot.com/2011/08/texas-wants-you-anyway.html
Great video on this dude’s blog. I think this is a better kick off video than the Bongo dude’s speech.

by ethorn on Aug 31, 2011 4:56 AM CDT reply actions  

This probably wasn’t the right place to post that, but wanted to get it out there for everyone.

by ethorn on Aug 31, 2011 4:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Burrito wins the quarter cigar. Sorry, burrito, but somebody already smoked the other 3/4ths.

Ash can’t be handed the keys until the car has already been pushed out of the driveway. He revs the engine too much, and we don’t want the Germans to know we’re leaving Austria too soon, or it will give the fat nun another chance for a solo, and nobody wants that.

Am I referencing too many different movies? Or mixing too many metaphors? Who knows. This close to the opening kickoff, it’s always a witch hunt for silver linings.

by Walden Ponderer on Aug 31, 2011 5:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Great stuff, JS.

What would be your guess on percentage of run plays vs. pass in the Rice game?

by Sploop Ba Doop on Aug 31, 2011 6:29 AM CDT reply actions  

sinless, Ash can’t start or even be the bonafide backup right off the bat because it guarantees two if not three transfers. Wood is gone, and Case McCoy is rumored to be looking at schools already. Ash will play, as will McCoy if Gilbert struggles in any given game. Ash’s position on the depth chart doesn’t reflect reality if you ask the Asset, however. Thanks for the words, btw.

edsp, we’re just fortunate to have some sources that get to watch these things, like to drink beer with us on Saturdays, and enjoy Scipio’s and/or Tipsy’s reports. Thanks for reading, man.

the contractor, I think the OL will be surprising strength on this team if we can avoid the injury bug. DB’s will get better with a little seasoning and unfortunately some grilling.

Pitt, that would be nice but I think Ash is the closest thing to having all of the tools. He just needs to see lotsa game action to get ready. I trust that Harsin realizes that.

Horncasting, thanks.

Jake, I agree 100%. Ash could never be the starters.

PVogel, I laughed heartily at that for some reason.

Frozen Horn, Ricky Seals-Jones is the next Jermichael Finley and he loves us. But yeah, right now it looks like blueitt is your guy for 2012.

Nevets, you’re dead on. Our sources are taking some risks but we’ll continue to trudge along as long as they’re okay with it.
 
thujone, thanks bro. I have to say that I’ve been enjoying your “coverage” of events the last few months.

Dagga, he knocked some dicks in the dirt today as a lead blocker yesterday. He’ll play.

Hook ‘Em Up, thanks dude. Give us a full report over on the Cosm’s Friday Night Light Q&A.

burrito, I like how you think but I don’t know if I’d go that far. The coaches are waiting for the lights to come before they get to that point.

JET, I believe you’re right.

TKO, I believe Mack asked for some of that by failing to pull GG in games last season. As for McCoy’s arm, he just simply can’t make certain throws and defenses will adjust to that.

ethorn, thanks for posting. I’ll check that out.

Walden Ponderer, I think your metaphors hit the mark.

Sploop, I’m going to say 60/40 in favor of the run, just because I think we’ll play with a lead for most of the game. I do think Harsin will keep his foot on the gas to get these guys as many live reps as possible. At least that was his MO at Boise. I hope Mack gives him the liberty to continue that trend.

by Jesus Shuttlesworth on Aug 31, 2011 7:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Doesn’t hurt to make Ash earn it. Got a feeling some others are mixed into the depth chart but will rise soon enough. Make sure they can handle the bright lights. I’ll bet Ash is even more of a gamer when they come on.

You’d think a coach would respect another coach enough to not be bugging him to play his son.

We haven’t even had a TE body much less player in camp since Finley left. I guess Whaley just ate himself right out of that possibility.

by lonesome devil on Aug 31, 2011 7:20 AM CDT reply actions  

its encouraging to hear that Ash dominated accuracy drills throughout. Wasn’t that one of the pre-requisites for Harsin’s offense? A QB with outstanding accuracy? The whole McCoy thing makes me sick. Let’s hope its just another “case” of coach speak. Politics politics politics.

HOOK EM

by godzillatron on Aug 31, 2011 7:21 AM CDT reply actions  

In 2008 I was playing golf in Mesquite, NV. I followed our game by watching the ESPN scroll in the sports book. 13-1.

In 2009 I was stuck at a wedding in Dallas checking out the stats on a borrowed iPhone. 13-1.

In 2010 I showed up in person to see the opener. 5-7.

This weekend, assuming Dish/DirecTV don’t get their shit together with ESPN, then I’ll be watching the scroll bar again. 10+ wins, homey.

by uthookem on Aug 31, 2011 7:28 AM CDT reply actions  

That’s kinda a pre-requisite in any offense.

by Bobby_Batronic on Aug 31, 2011 7:32 AM CDT reply actions  

So by open competition we mean “can’t hurt GG or Case feelings”? Grow a pair Mack and tell daddy ball to leave that crap in lake Travis

by Mysterious Package on Aug 31, 2011 7:32 AM CDT reply actions  

JS,
A little off topic but Scipio noted in his Longhorn SOTU that Bible asked to move to OL…is this true? I am generally pretty good at sussing out the truth from the humor and sarcasm, but since he didn’t even make the DT depth chart I wondered if this might be true. Since you haven’t mentioned it, I am guessing it isn’t. Scipio has always had a thing for taking D-line men and switching them to the O-line, so perhaps he was doing some wishful or prescient thinking.

by Ricky on Aug 31, 2011 7:33 AM CDT reply actions  

JS – you guys prepared me so well, nothing recent surprises at all. The depth chart was pretty damn close to everything you and Scip and all the other guys have been telling us through your sources, including that Ash would be behind these other’s despite the play to avoid transfers. For everyone bitching about GG starting, you have not been paying attention to these guys. Don’t get so frustrated.

I don’t recall us having two RBs like the rookie Bs in Mack’s time. Its like having Cedric Benson and his twin brother (not sure which one is the more elusive vs the hammer though).

I am stoked about the OL. I wanna see some downhill pounding. I wanna see us do to them what they did to us. Injuries are our biggest competition this year due to the depth, but it sounds like even some of the newbies are showing earlier promise than we could have hoped for.

by ethorn on Aug 31, 2011 7:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh, and Mack can’t really run a family-oriented program if he tells anyone’s parent to back off…but he can list the depth chart just like he did, pay homage to “redshirting” the 3rd string QB, and then see what happens with QB1, QB2, and QBspecial-package. When QBspecial-package starts expanding the package, and digs the team out of the tiniest of holes, it will be his job.

by uthookem on Aug 31, 2011 7:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh, and he can also put the onus of the decision on his new offensive coordinator, who did not recruit either of the incumbents…

by uthookem on Aug 31, 2011 7:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Actually – it’s like having Benson as a fresh (Brown) and as a senior (Bergeron).

by ethorn on Aug 31, 2011 7:43 AM CDT reply actions  

terrific report. very unexpected and very much appreciated.

great to hear of the accuracy david is displaying. from all we’ve read, when he’s seasoned he’s going to be special. i fully support how harsin is handling his qbs. i’m all for bringing david along at whatever pace seems right for him.

regarding this talk about tricking the other two qbs into staying, we’re sure they and their families don’t read this site, right? wouldn’t want to show our hand on that.

really excited about the o-line and rb developments. also wr. but bummed to hear that te is not looking sharp. such a key position. hope it was just a one-day slump.

many young horn fans don’t know the name or remember much about rosie leaks, but had he stayed healthy, we would have had a seasoned roosevelt leaks and a young earl campbell in the same backfield. royal talked about that for years afterward.

thanks, again. you guys bring it.

by yeh on Aug 31, 2011 8:09 AM CDT reply actions  

We recruited case as a back up.

by Mysterious Package on Aug 31, 2011 8:13 AM CDT reply actions  

“But the real story is Bergeron and Brown as hammers running behind this revamped Oline. We haven’t seen a pair like this on the 40 acres for a while.”

Dare I say Campbell and Leaks?

by Ralph the Wonder Llama on Aug 31, 2011 8:26 AM CDT reply actions  

"I believe Mack asked for some of that by failing to pull GG in games last season."

Agreed. And Brad McCoy had a valid gripe…last year. But not this year. His kid simply got outplayed in a fair position battle that stretched over seven months. Brad’s a coach. He should recognize that.

by TKO on Aug 31, 2011 8:30 AM CDT reply actions  

another thing regarding the rbs. this season — cross them ol’ fingers for fozzy to stay upright — these two behemoths will get used to wreaking havoc along with a complementary threat. as good as the foz is, how about starting next year out with young mr gray in that role? and i assume dj will be back as a senior in his role as chief scorcher?

hoo, baby.

by yeh on Aug 31, 2011 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Nuggets of gold, again. And you know what that’s worth these days.

Glad to hear Cody Johnson is doing well in the FB role. It seems that he has always done whatever was asked of him. Now that he is working with coaches who understand his abilities and can train him properly, the idea that he has a potential career on Sundays leaves me all warm and fuzzy.

When push comes to shove and a game is on the line because GG is having a bad day, we will then see what Harsin REALLY thinks about his QB pecking order.

by lurkerinthedark on Aug 31, 2011 8:59 AM CDT reply actions  

that Ash would be behind these other’s despite the play to avoid transfers. For everyone bitching about GG starting, you have not been paying attention to these guys.

Well, I certainly have.

But it remains to be seen which strategy would result in a better outcome of these two:

(a) Giving the best players the starting jobs and letting the chips fall where they may.

Sure, the not-best players may take a hike. But all? Really?

Let’s walk through this. It’s spring 2012. Do you leave Texas for, perhaps, a Missouri or similar, hoping desperately you will excel at that not-as-well-known program, in only one year, enough to get the pro career on which you have based your hopes and dreams?

I doubt it. Second-best at Texas trumps that dubious alternative, because you might, in the next year, improve enough to get the starting job back, and with it, ten years of playing on Sundays.

And if you do leave, well, there is new talent coming into Texas that same year. So it’s not like Texas is left with one guy who can throw the ball and a crowd of wannabe walk-ons.

(b) Giving the not-best players the starting jobs.

This strategy lowers the odds of winning any given game and raises the odds of another lame season… while also fostering in the best players a growing sense that they are getting screwed.

The world as a whole does not read sites such as this one and does not know they are best — it only knows they were officially second or third string on a team that underperformed.

So, in sum, I’m not sure transfers are really the overwhelming factor they may at first appear.

by Louis L'am Jones on Aug 31, 2011 9:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Mostly sounds as expected.

Case has the brain but not the body. Seems like his recruitment was purely as a combination of legacy and a hat-tip to his dad… We may yet regret not extending the same legacy selection to Gilbert’s brother, but, man, it’s going to be hard to recruit any TE for the next 17 years, until the current crew actually gets out of school.

by Tex Long on Aug 31, 2011 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Ricky, I took Scipio’s remark about Bible to be purely a joke because there were “chips” available on offense.

I think it is waayyyyyy too early to even contemplate Brown and Bergeron being Campbell and Leaks. Snot has not even been threatened yet, let alone flown. If these fine new prospects are 80% of what Earl and Roosevelt were, we’ll be doing just fine.

I don’t fault the plan of starting GG. He’s played well in practice and you’d rather introduce Ash to the college game gradually rather than all at once. Frankly, McCoy with his year of experience makes sense as the backup to a short leashed starter. Why pressure the freshman on play 1 game 1?

Great reports throughout the summer and they are much appreciated, Jesus. And thanks for the complimentary BBQ groupon in the last secret email!

by RomaVicta on Aug 31, 2011 9:35 AM CDT reply actions  

roma, we were distinctly asked to not mention that, you know. you jeopardize the whole dancing girl thing, you know.

nobody said bergeron and brown are going to make us forget about leaks and campbell. the question was asked if we have ever had so much talent in one backfield.

i absolutely concur with your take at qb, roma. to the letter. nobody says that whoever starts the first game is set for the whole year. if that individual performs extremely well then he might start the rest of the year. if so, that would be great. also, this whole idea of ‘starter’ is getting extremely passé, you know. better to view a position as a cloud of probability these days not an engraved tombstone. get with the new century with us young oldsters.

by yeh on Aug 31, 2011 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

also, memo to scip: don’t kid around. ricky can’t follow.

by yeh is 'hey' if you're kind of backwards on Aug 31, 2011 9:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Why say we have an open competition when it clearly is not? Same BS different year from Mack. What Mack does not have is enough goodwill to fall flat on his ass again. He wants to hang is coaching career on GG, fine. But he has burned up all of the goodwill the fans had for him. On top of that, he has a losing record against OU and will likely retire with a losing record. His legacy will likely be WTF were we doing in the 2000’s? How did we only win 2 conference titles under his watch?

by Mysterious Package on Aug 31, 2011 10:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Really GOOD stuff! The whole QB situation is intriguing to say the least. It seems like everything has been said that can be said at the moment. But one thing I have not seen is whether anyone has a bead on whether Bryan will have the final say on the QB change (if necessary) or if Mack will make the final decision. We know what we read in the press but what is reality?

If Gilbert falters and Ash is as good as advertised then it would seem like Bryan (if he had the final say) would give Ash a shot at the backup spot. But if politics rule and Mack has the final say then it would seem that Ash does not have a legitimate shot and Case is the preordained backup.

I guess the bottom line question is, if Gilbert falters, will Ash have a legitimate shot at the backup position?

by jag on Aug 31, 2011 10:07 AM CDT reply actions  

jag, if i give you the real answer and it’s not what you wanted to hear, does it become whitewash?

by yeh on Aug 31, 2011 10:15 AM CDT reply actions  

“roma, we were distinctly asked to not mention that”

They knew my maverick, rebel ways when they included me, yeh. The stallion must run free. Especially to free BBQ. I’ll pop by practice and pick up some chips from the offense to go with the ribs if Bible has left any to be had. Mmmmm.

by RomaVicta on Aug 31, 2011 10:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Jesus…does your asset have any insight as to what Harsin thinks about Chambers ability as a TE coach? I ask this as I was surprised that Chambers was retained last year. You could make an argument that he hasn’t had much talent to work with, but I also haven’t seen anyone really improve under his tutelage even if the improvement is relative. Given this role is so key for Harsin’s offense, I wonder if Chambers is up to the task. Would be curious to know if Harsin wonders also.

by ropeburn on Aug 31, 2011 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

I had the chance to speak with my friend last night and this is his take on the QBs:

1. Harsin thinks Gilbert is the best QB on campus period. Its not a matter of protecting against transfers or anything else. As it stands right now, Gilbert is the best QB in terms of the total package: accuracy, making his reads, making all the throws and moving the offense down the field. Harsin believes Gilbert just needs to have a little success to regain his full confidence and turn it on. Harsin believes Gilbert will blossom this year and have a great, great year. He is truly expecting big things out of Gilbert. He has staked his reputation on him. And, Applewhite concurs wholeheartedly. Major loves Gilbert and believes he is ready to be the QB he always believed he could be.

And as for Gilbert’s leadership, every player to a man who has spoken to the media has talked openly about how much Gilbert has grown as a leader. He has matured in a big way and taken control of the offense. He is not a get in your face kind of guy. But there are plenty of examples of All-Pro guys who led by example rather than with their mouth. Whenever a good play is made in practice, Gilbert is the first one running down the field, high-fiving his O-line and picking up his receivers and celebrating with them. If mistakes are made, he is the first one going over the mistake with the o-line, back or receiver. He is very supportive and very demonstrative this year. I think you will be happy with what you see out of Gilbert in this department this year.

2. Case is the backup because he is the safest choice behind Gilbert. He knows the offense. He goes through his progressions. He checks down more often than not and he knows how to manage the game. Yes, he has a bit of a gunslinger mentality but he is a gamer and Harsin believes the offense will be safe in Case’s hands if Gilbert doesnt perform up to expectations. Case also requires the least amount of change to the offensive gameplan. Case is not going anywhere.

3. Ash is very talented. He has a nice arm. And he has better than average feet. He is definitely the best dual threat QB we have. The biggest worry or concern about Ash is he is a bit skittish in the pocket. He hurries his progressions and then bails. If his first read is there, he will make a great, beautiful OMG throw. If not, he panics a bit, tucks the ball and takes off. While this works in practice wearing a black jersey, it might not go over so well in games. It also scares Harsin and Major. And it is one of the reasons why Ash has a limited package at this point. This is the major reason why Ash is #3 not because of transfer concerns. He is simply not ready to run the full offense. This is normal and not a unexpected for a freshman QB. Harsin and Major think he has a chance to be special. But it is by no means ordained or a given. Ash has a nice skill set but nothing that is off the charts in any one area. In other words, Vince was HUGE, fast, elusive, etc… Colt was unbelievably accurate. Ash is not out of this world in any one area but when you put together his nice arm, his accuracy, his athleticism and his moxy, he looks like he could be a really good QB for the Horns in the future. It is for this reason that Harsin and Major also dont want to rush him and risk ruining him. They dont want to make the same mistakes that were made with Gilbert.

Also, I thought I would point out that all 4 of the QBs are good friends. Gilbert and Case are very close friends and hang out quite a bit. They compete with each other but all like each other and are not at war. There are no hard feelings about Gilbert starting. Everyone on the team expected it because, quite frankly, Gilbert had by far the best summer and fall camp. The team is behind him and so are the other QBs.

As for the Dads, I know Gale Gilbert is an extremely reserved and man of few words kind of guy. He is not in anyone’s ear griping or pushing an agenda. I dont know Coach McCoy but I have always heard he is a good guy. I dont think either Dad has crossed any line or upset any Coach.

Another point on leadership, Gilbert is the cerebral and supportive leader on offense but the enforcer is none other than Mason Walters. I have been told that Walters is the scariest guy on the team. NO ONE will mess with him. Apparently, Trey Allen got beat pretty bad the other day on two consecutive plays and Walters was in Trey’s face swearing and cussing him up and down. Trey hardly said a word back. They ran the same play again. Trey performed. Gilbert and Walters both gave Trey big high fives and Trey let out a big sigh of relief… Walters is helping provide that in your face leadership from the line that we had in 05 from Studdard.

The team is sharp, focused and angry. They are ready to show the world how good they are. This team is not short on talent, just experience. I would take Fozzy, Joe B and Malcolm over any other stable of backs in the B12. I would do the same for Davis, Shipley and White/Harris. The right side of the o-line (Walters and Hopkins) is probably the best right side in the B12. And the front 7 might just be the best in the B12! I would take Okafor and Jeffcoat over anyone. I would take Randall over any other DT. I would take Hicks, Robinson and Acho over any other LB corp in the B12. The secondary is a bit green but I have heard that Diggs is going to be amazing, perhaps Def newcomer of the year. This team and its coaches are ready to show the world just how much talent they have and how good they are. It should be a fun season!

Thats all I have for now.

by LTAlum on Aug 31, 2011 10:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks Roma. Scipio will mix in his jokes while still making a truthful statement. So while I got the joke about Bible eating his way off the depth chart at DT, that didn’t preclude him reporting that Bible has eaten his way on to the O-line. Seems like there isn’t much reason to mention someone who didn’t make the depth chart unless there was a change in his status.

by Ricky on Aug 31, 2011 10:36 AM CDT reply actions  

“I would do the same for Davis, Shipley and White/Harris.”

What do they have 30 catches between them?

by Eskimohorn on Aug 31, 2011 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Ash should RS. It is best for Ash to redshirt and it is best for the team for him to RS.

by SeventyTwo on Aug 31, 2011 11:03 AM CDT reply actions  

“And as for Gilbert’s leadership, every player to a man who has spoken to the media has talked openly about how much Gilbert has grown as a leader.”

Jeez, I thought it was normal, when teams provide media access to players, and when asked about their starting QB, to toss him under the bus and denounce him, while making twittering rolleyes and shooting one or both middle fingers.

by Arriviste on Aug 31, 2011 11:03 AM CDT reply actions  

“Ash should RS. It is best for Ash to redshirt and it is best for the team for him to RS.”

This is only true if Gilbert is playing well as the #1 and McCoy is doing well as the backup (or vice versa). Otherwise it is in everyone’s best interest for Ash to play.

by Horncasting on Aug 31, 2011 11:37 AM CDT reply actions  

LTAlum

Your posts always smack of bullshit.

They don’t want to make the same mistakes and ruin Ash like they did with Gilbert, but yet they are rolling with the “ruined” QB?

Ash skittish in the pocket? Not from what The Jesus’ sources have said. Ash only making one read and then running? Again, not what I’ve read.

Why does it always seem like your posts attempt to diminish Ash’s attributes and prop up Gilberts?

Oh yeah, that’s right. You are either Gilbert, or one of his Lake Travis fanboys.

by poo on Aug 31, 2011 11:41 AM CDT reply actions  

LTAlum,

Thanks for posting. It is nice to see a different perspective.

Just win, baby!

by uthookem on Aug 31, 2011 11:49 AM CDT reply actions  

yes, alum. thanks for sharing.

this is an amazing place. the people who pop in and share what they know and what they hear add immeasurably to a very rich main course.

best board i’ve ever come across.

by yeh on Aug 31, 2011 11:55 AM CDT reply actions  

by ‘board’ i mean the amalgam of bc and the ’cosm, of course.

by yeh on Aug 31, 2011 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

wow, and when you realize bon is another wing of the group, this really is amazing. it’s what i always imagined could happen. that it has done it is beyond words.

by yeh on Aug 31, 2011 11:57 AM CDT reply actions  

“I would do the same for Davis, Shipley and White/Harris.”

A bit too much sunshine there for my taste. I would not take them over Fuller/Swope/Nwachakawhuhuaku or Broyles/Stills/Whoever’s third. I might pick them over Blackmon/Whoever else, but I would not rate our receiving corps any better than 3rd in the conference given the unnerving inexperience at the position.

Our linebacking corps may be tops in the Big 12 with the tragic death of Austin Box and the injury to Travis Lewis, but again inexperience rears its head. It depends on how a lot of young guys play (true freshman Steve Edmond, true sophomore Jordan Hicks, true sophomore Corey Nelson, etc.) OU may still have us in that department. Other than that, I agree that we do have a lot of talent and could surprise some people this year.

by Andrew Wiggin on Aug 31, 2011 12:00 PM CDT reply actions  

AW: i will readily admit that I have deeply, deeply tinted Burnt Orange glasses but just the fact that we can have that conversation about any of our units is a BIG change from last year…

Poo: sorry you dont like my posts.

by LTAlum on Aug 31, 2011 12:25 PM CDT reply actions  

LT Alum -
 
I would do the same for Davis, Shipley and White/Harris.
 
If you wouldn’t take OSU, OU & A&M’s WRs over ours, you’re in need of a Kool-Aid intervention.

by Scipio Tex on Aug 31, 2011 12:37 PM CDT reply actions  

poo, it’s not like LTAlum hides his bias. The name is descriptive of the poster, just like it is for you.

I am curious though, and this might be due to the bias. If GG is the most accurate QB, then either the Asset is lying, or LTAlum needs to cut back on the sunshine-pumping. Given some of the horrendous INTs thrown by GG that have been reported here, I’m pretty sure I know which one is right.

by Daniel on Aug 31, 2011 12:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Who else thinks Barrett Mathews re-emerges as a TE threat this year? Word had been that he blocks well but struggled catching the ball. That sounds like head issues. I think he rebounds back and starts catching the ball.

by Monahorns on Aug 31, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions  

LT alum- you have to be joking. I could copy and paste that bs next to last years. I’m going to save this so we can revisit this soon.

by Mysterious Package on Aug 31, 2011 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

LT Alum,

Thanks for posting and I truly hope you are right because I am pulling for GG – not only because his success will translate to success for the team, but also because he seems like a really good kid who was thrown into a situation of way too high of expectations and a surrounding cast (especially the OC) who did nothing what so ever to help him last year.

But… good lord his media availability the other day did not inspire any confidence in his leadership ability. And some of the quotes from the other players have not said much either – I think Kenny V basically said something to the effect of “Gilbert won the position because we picked him off a little bit less than the other QBs”.

by Big Ern on Aug 31, 2011 1:11 PM CDT reply actions  

poo, the Jesus reports have consistently pointed out Ash has prematurely tucked it and ran as well as looking like a frosh at times with his decision making. Methinks you are not of the good kind of poo, anti Mr. Hanky, imo.

Monahorns, don’t be on BW, he’s currently buried on the DC. I’m more intrigued by Irby rebounding back, I hope the stadium gives him a little something extra after his first reception.

by Erik The Orange on Aug 31, 2011 1:12 PM CDT reply actions  

good points, big ern. you gotta pull for the guy.

regarding the media circus, nobody is saying he doesn’t need some more salting. maybe a lot. dunno.

by yeh on Aug 31, 2011 1:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Well I for one am praying that my football chubby subsides in my suit here in the office after reading LT’s post. In 78 hours we will be halfway through the first quarter and I find my office productivity dwindling accordingly.

What do we know about the Dads’ activism? Neither strikes me as the type that’d do that sort of thing….

by Rex Kramer on Aug 31, 2011 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I’m excited, no doubt about it. I felt good about last year, but not this good.

But… Wake me up after we thrash UCLA and toy with ISU. We sit 4-0 headed to Big D, and you can put me down for 9500 gallons of sunshine.

by Tex Long on Aug 31, 2011 1:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Shock the Nation, Tex Long, Shock the Nation.

by Simms to Gilbert on Aug 31, 2011 1:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Here is my QB depth chart:

Ash
M. Thompson

by Snide Aside on Aug 31, 2011 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Bryan Fucking Harsin isnt staking his reputation on Garrett Fucking Gilbert. His rep is already made by shaping the likes of Kellen Moore [who would probably have the weakest physical skill set of all our QBs] into a legit Heisman contender. Get real.

He is playing him because of a complete lack of game experience by any of the backups. I am more inclined to believe the reports that imply Harsin was shocked at the mediocre talent at QB and TE when he got here. Both are critical to success in the Boise scheme.

I am rooting for the kid because he is getting the nod and I want to Horns to excel but he must have a short leash. I am much more interesting in seeing who is getting snaps in week 3 than who is starting game one.

The strength of this team offensively will be the power running game. Harsin believes in it, knows how to coach it, and actually has the horses to run it. That will help any QB immensely.

The deal with GG is that he was being asked to win races with a 75 Buick held together by bailing wire. Now he probably has a used Lexus. Can win some if you dont crash it, but no top end. Still dont know about the driver because the car was so shitty.

The Lamborghini is being built for 2013 and I hope we arent going to be putting a brand new driver in there for that.

This season is about development and a new mindset, but at QB we have to use 2011 and 2012 as the stepping stone to another 3-4 year run at the elite. Put another way, if Ash continues his progression, we better be ready to sit the “bled for the program” QB without looking back.

I am stoked about the season, but much more interested in the process than the results this year.

by bullzak on Aug 31, 2011 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

bullzak -
 
That was a hell of a post. And your last sentence summed it all up neatly.

by Scipio Tex on Aug 31, 2011 2:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Bohls and Golden in chat just said there is no way that Ash will see the field on Saturday.

by Simms to Gilbert on Aug 31, 2011 2:31 PM CDT reply actions  

STG, if you needed reason to be optimistic about Ash playing Saturday, you just got it.

by Jake Lonergan on Aug 31, 2011 2:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Bohls and Golden are idiots. I can’t stand that drab they post. It’s ridiculous. Don’t be surprised if you see Ash on Saturday. It’s been stated at adneaseum that he has a special package…no pun intended.

by mccoy12 on Aug 31, 2011 2:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Getting really excited about watching the RICE game….never thought I would ever say those words….there are so many unanswered questions….I am looking forward to getting a couple answered hopefully by halftime.

by Z06bandit on Aug 31, 2011 3:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Jesus: "Dagga, he knocked some dicks in the dirt today as a lead blocker yesterday. He’ll play."

That’s some serious blocking ability, my good man. Thanks for the update.

LTAlum: "It also scares Harsin and Major."

Balderdash! Our two-headed coordinator is only afraid if/when it sees its reflection, and has a tendency to lash out at opposing defenses more so than usual in response. That, and hard candies sticking to the roof of his mouth, is why Mack keeps a handy pocket mirror with him at all times.

Simms to Gilbert: "Bohls and Golden in chat just said there is no way that Ash will see the field on Saturday."

Not sure they should be making definitive statements on anything. They don’t seem all that plugged in.

by Saul on Aug 31, 2011 5:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Don’t shoot the messenger. I realize they’ve been very wrong a lot. I’d also be shocked if they don’t read this website and the Cosm. But they have to rely on what their sources tell them. And more than anything, they’re annoyed that they didn’t get to see practices themselves this summer.

by Simms to Gilbert on Aug 31, 2011 5:50 PM CDT reply actions  

No messenger shooting? Okay then, but I was hoping to go ballistic. I hope there’s no restocking fee for this ammunition.

by Saul on Aug 31, 2011 6:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I think as a team you will look much better against Rice than last years game. Since I don’t have the LHN I will have to judge based on highlights, but I think you’ll throttle them pretty well. I won’t go mudhole as that is usually a jinx. I’m curious to see how this new stuff they’ve been cooking up works.

by KilgoreTrout on Aug 31, 2011 6:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Just hoping I can watch it…

by Thanks on Aug 31, 2011 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

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