Texas / OU Live Game Thread
by Vasherized on Oct 8, 2011 10:39 AM CDT
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YES! I slept in my Longhorn pajamas last night, am wearing a ton of burnt orange (even some that can’t be seen), have on my Longhorn earrings, and am painting my nails burnt orange right now. Even my dog has her little Longhorn ball cap on. We are READY!
by Sasha is a Longhorn Dog on Oct 8, 2011 10:50 AM CDT reply actions
Since when did OU bring out a big Oklahoma flag?
by Bob in Houston on Oct 8, 2011 10:51 AM CDT reply actions
2:54am in Sydney Australia, ready for the game !!!!
by Sydney Longhorn on Oct 8, 2011 10:54 AM CDT reply actions
Shiner in the fridge and LHN on the tube!
Hook ’em!
by LongHornedFrog on Oct 8, 2011 11:03 AM CDT reply actions
This sucks!!! I have to go to work after the game so I can’t drink.
by Kilgorehorn on Oct 8, 2011 11:04 AM CDT reply actions
Before anyone from overseas asks about streaming video, Vettle is carrying this one, and it’s got hands down the best quality transmission: http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4e6fb1ed15d04
by TKO on Oct 8, 2011 11:05 AM CDT reply actions
So in Sydney, it’s always the second Sunday in October?
by Bob in Houston on Oct 8, 2011 11:06 AM CDT reply actions
It’ll be alright Kilgore. Pour one. If you don’t drink for this game, your loyalty might come into question. There are more important things than sobriety. Oh man, can’t wait for this game. At a UT bar in Chicago…. This place is packed!!!!! Hook em!
by Randy Marsh on Oct 8, 2011 11:08 AM CDT reply actions
Sydney,
Thanks, bro. I’m in Taipei and I’m so used to finding games online that I never considered catching on the tube. Saw your post, checked the tube and voila. Cheers.
by TKO on Oct 8, 2011 11:10 AM CDT reply actions
Oh man its gonna be a loong day for the defense
by Sydney Longhorn on Oct 8, 2011 11:11 AM CDT reply actions
we;d like to see every play abc get your damn cameras right
by mattdubya on Oct 8, 2011 11:12 AM CDT reply actions
What the fuck, gideon!!! The play is still alive. Hit him
by Randy Marsh on Oct 8, 2011 11:12 AM CDT reply actions
I think deferring was a mistake in this game. Would have liked to have started with the ball to build some momentum.
by CS on Oct 8, 2011 11:16 AM CDT reply actions
I’ll take a FG on the first defensive drive.
by CartesianDemon on Oct 8, 2011 11:17 AM CDT reply actions
Fucking huge to hold to a field goal. Keep doing that and we’ll win this game.
by CS on Oct 8, 2011 11:18 AM CDT reply actions
when our d looks settled, they can hang with them . i think that continues.
by l24nico on Oct 8, 2011 11:19 AM CDT reply actions
Two things on that third and goal:
Landry looked scared of the pressure, even though it wasn’t that extreme.
And who was that corner on Stills? He did a great job.
by CartesianDemon on Oct 8, 2011 11:20 AM CDT reply actions
Man, I know the book on Landry is that he sucks when he’s pressured….but he really, really sucks when he’s pressured.
by MajorTexasFan on Oct 8, 2011 11:30 AM CDT reply actions
Good hold.
Our offense needs to sustain a drive and score here or we’re going to be gassed on D.
by parlin on Oct 8, 2011 11:30 AM CDT reply actions
Our red zone D is so money. Huge 3rd down stop, obviously.
by CartesianDemon on Oct 8, 2011 11:30 AM CDT reply actions
Very concerned about our offensive line. It’s nice to hear about all these trick plays we want to pull off. But OU can blow all of them up seeing how little time McAsh is getting.
by UT_64 on Oct 8, 2011 11:30 AM CDT reply actions
We’re still OK because of the red zone defense, but the offense needs some field position and hopefully some points on this drive.
by CS on Oct 8, 2011 11:31 AM CDT reply actions
Gotta stop the empty backfield sets. We need the extra protection, cause OU is gonna keep blitzing.
by REA on Oct 8, 2011 11:31 AM CDT reply actions
dline rollin right now, bros. every guy that’s lined up has gotten into the backfield at least once. really, really good so far
by mattdubya on Oct 8, 2011 11:31 AM CDT reply actions
Where’s D.J. Monroe on the kickoffs? Surprised we’re going with a freshman. Is Diggs faster?
by UT_64 on Oct 8, 2011 11:33 AM CDT reply actions
Case’s fumble was pretty bad. He was holding the ball in his outstretched arm in the middle of a lot of rushers. Sometimes you just have to go down or down it (penalty) because there is no time for anything else.
Not a surprise that the OL cannot pass block effectively unless it is a play action pass.
Throwing short on 1st down is a great idea.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 11:34 AM CDT reply actions
If OU is going to focus on containing Brown/Fozzy, I’d like to see McAsh get some carries.
by UT_64 on Oct 8, 2011 11:35 AM CDT reply actions
Harsin’s gonna give a lot of cameramen whiplash.
by MajorTexasFan on Oct 8, 2011 11:35 AM CDT reply actions
Fozzy looks GOOD. I think he’ll be playing on Sundays
by UT_64 on Oct 8, 2011 11:37 AM CDT reply actions
This throwing off the back foot thing is driving me nuts
by ranger on Oct 8, 2011 11:40 AM CDT reply actions
D’s holding, we’ve established the run, and are hanging close. Good start, all things considered.
by MajorTexasFan on Oct 8, 2011 11:40 AM CDT reply actions
I want to punch boren and the whole student body in the mouth
by Really on Oct 8, 2011 11:40 AM CDT reply actions
Gonna have to roll out the QBs some to throw. The OL is giving the QB no time to throw. There were two DL untouched that were in perfect position to block the pass.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 11:41 AM CDT reply actions
Seems like were gonna have to complete a deep ball in here somewhere or the blowu d is gonna camp in the backfield.
by 2xHorn on Oct 8, 2011 11:41 AM CDT reply actions
Just hang around, baby. It’s going OU’s way right now, but they are only up 6-3.
by CS on Oct 8, 2011 11:41 AM CDT reply actions
wow that plea for the lhn was awkward…and embarrassing
by mattdubya on Oct 8, 2011 11:42 AM CDT reply actions
That third down throw was incredibly disappointing because Onyegbule was running free on a mid-depth cross.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 11:42 AM CDT reply actions
Last year this time of game it was 14-zip
We’re looking much better &apples/blueberries the young uns will calm down…
meanwhile we’re STUFFING the run
by jet on Oct 8, 2011 11:43 AM CDT reply actions
That’s 2 flags picked up. Didn’t like the grounding one. This one was ok.
by ultralight on Oct 8, 2011 11:44 AM CDT reply actions
Those short crossing/screen passes are damn near impossible to stop. We’re getting killed between the 20s, but we’re OK if we can keep them out of the end zone. Sooner or later, though, we’re going to need some stops.
by CS on Oct 8, 2011 11:45 AM CDT reply actions
Apples and blueberries means we need some turnovers… sic em D!
by jet on Oct 8, 2011 11:47 AM CDT reply actions
We’re not getting there when we bring pressure from the DBs.
by ultralight on Oct 8, 2011 11:48 AM CDT reply actions
We’ve got the making of a classic folks.
some of the most memorable Longhorn wins were when our D dominated.
by jet on Oct 8, 2011 11:50 AM CDT reply actions
Front 7 holding up well. Impressive. Need a little Diaz magic now!
by Fantom on Oct 8, 2011 11:51 AM CDT reply actions
Got caught peaking. Better to make it a twenty yard TD than an eighty yard TD.
We are in this.
by uthookem on Oct 8, 2011 11:54 AM CDT reply actions
Need Vacarro to step up. Gideon is day dreaming. Maybe the hit?
by Fantom on Oct 8, 2011 11:55 AM CDT reply actions
Gideon took the underneath guy who was already double-teamed.
by Daniel on Oct 8, 2011 11:55 AM CDT reply actions
Gideon is fine. He is due for a play. We are holding their run.
by uthookem on Oct 8, 2011 11:55 AM CDT reply actions
But the D has to hold them to 0 points at some point in the game.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 11:55 AM CDT reply actions
So much for Ash. This is about to get out of hand.
by Blueshorn on Oct 8, 2011 11:58 AM CDT reply actions
You can’t blame that on Ash. Shipley got tangled and fell down.
by REA on Oct 8, 2011 12:00 PM CDT reply actions
Tell me how the receiver falling down was Ash’s fault. Don’t be a tool.
by Daniel on Oct 8, 2011 12:00 PM CDT reply actions
We wont give up but this is gonna be an early 21st century buttfucking.
by 2xHorn on Oct 8, 2011 12:00 PM CDT reply actions
The worst thing about this is that Ransom is going to be right with his prediction.
by bigdukesix on Oct 8, 2011 12:00 PM CDT reply actions
Ash made that same throw twice last week and got lucky and Iowa St. didn’t make the play. Can’t do that in this game.
by lonesome devil on Oct 8, 2011 12:01 PM CDT reply actions
If we are going to allow first downs on 3rd and 25 we won’t have any chance at all.
by lurkerinthedark on Oct 8, 2011 12:03 PM CDT reply actions
Well, goddamnit. 3rd and 25 and they convert.
by Blueshorn on Oct 8, 2011 12:03 PM CDT reply actions
I was hoping for more, but then I did take blowu to cover.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 12:04 PM CDT reply actions
Ha, Stills didn’t care for Byndom’s offer for a hand up. Sooner bitch.
by HelmetBoy on Oct 8, 2011 12:05 PM CDT reply actions
Byndom looking like an eventual Thorpe Award winner.
by TKO on Oct 8, 2011 12:05 PM CDT reply actions
Ha ha, bydom offered th help stiles up & it pissed em off.
Hook’Em hold’Em & Hook’Em again horns
by jet on Oct 8, 2011 12:06 PM CDT reply actions
Diggs is getting an epic butt-fucking in this game.
Ball clearly broke the plane.
by HelmetBoy on Oct 8, 2011 12:08 PM CDT reply actions
They are just better this year. That ok. Let’s play for getting in shape for next year
by Horninhk on Oct 8, 2011 12:10 PM CDT reply actions
Too much youth for Texas this year. Maybe next year.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 12:11 PM CDT reply actions
Youth is getting schooled. Coaching and preparation cannot fully offset inexperience. These guys are getting some tough lessons right now which will do them good later.
Unfortunately, this is now.
Or, maybe, we have them where we want them?
by lurkerinthedark on Oct 8, 2011 12:12 PM CDT reply actions
Was hoping for more from the offense today. Need a couple of good drives
by Scott_tiger on Oct 8, 2011 12:12 PM CDT reply actions
Ain’t done yet. And, quit being a bunch of vagina-rubbing pansies around here. This season is about the process. I guarantee our kids are not going to give up.
Hook ’em!
by uthookem on Oct 8, 2011 12:12 PM CDT reply actions
May be time to try some wild, just to change things up. The horns offense has to hang on to the ball to keep the sooners offense off the field.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 12:13 PM CDT reply actions
Giving up that 3rd and 25 was inexcusable. That’s on Diaz. WTF is he doing calling man coverage on that down and distance??? Just begging to give up a big play! How many DBs did we have on the field. Should’ve been 6.
by Orange90 on Oct 8, 2011 12:13 PM CDT reply actions
Who’d have thunk that special teams would actually be a highlight?
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 12:14 PM CDT reply actions
Chip away, hold the ball, chip away some more
by Sydney Longhorn on Oct 8, 2011 12:14 PM CDT reply actions
OU has had the ball for what feels like the whole game on our side of the field and has scored every time they’ve had the ball.
by Johnnymac on Oct 8, 2011 12:15 PM CDT reply actions
The opening of this game for the Texas offense has gone about as poorly as possible regarding the turnovers.
Still, they can get right back in this game with a touchdown. I’m pretty happy with the progress so far and last year’s team would have already quit on this game.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 12:15 PM CDT reply actions
Stoops will pile it up because he’s a fucking asshole.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 12:16 PM CDT reply actions
if that throw by case doesn’t put you on team ash i don’t know what to think.
by mattdubya on Oct 8, 2011 12:17 PM CDT reply actions
Last time I felt this helpless was when Gilbert took over from Colt in the NC game.
Also, I’ve got a knuckle sandwich for Musburger if I ever see him.
by Dale C on Oct 8, 2011 12:17 PM CDT reply actions
That 3rd and 25 was the backbreaker, btw. You don’t win when you let that shit happen.
by Johnnymac on Oct 8, 2011 12:18 PM CDT reply actions
Bob Stoops has seen this gimmicky offense before. Fool him once,
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 12:18 PM CDT reply actions
A little more defense right now would be welcome.
Those receivers are monsters, though.
by lurkerinthedark on Oct 8, 2011 12:18 PM CDT reply actions
Abandoned the run……
We desperately need long drives….Or it will be another 60 point drubbing…
by Ifpk454 on Oct 8, 2011 12:19 PM CDT reply actions
Now…Case has had his shot. His shot should be over. He does not have “it” or some bullshit. Time to play Ash and roll.
by uthookem on Oct 8, 2011 12:19 PM CDT reply actions
Sometimes the other team has good seniors etc. Next year with experience and j grey and m brown we will be better
Ash as a senior will be great. Damn. Catch that shit
by Horninhk on Oct 8, 2011 12:20 PM CDT reply actions
I’d like to take this opportunity to thank Greg Davis for his stellar QB evaluations that brought us Garrett Gilbert and Colt’s little brother.
by Blueshorn on Oct 8, 2011 12:20 PM CDT reply actions
Like I said all week, it’s going to be a blowout. Our first four opponents have been trash.
Now get Case out. He just doesn’t have it. Roll with Ash to get the experience.
by Orangeblood79 on Oct 8, 2011 12:21 PM CDT reply actions
Of all the stupid taunting and unsportsmanlike penalties, I still don’t see how that dipshit doesn’t get a flag for popping up with the upside down hookem
by Really on Oct 8, 2011 12:21 PM CDT reply actions
It’s hilarious watching all of you lose your shit. Entitlement to the max, yo’!
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 12:22 PM CDT reply actions
No shit Gary. Christ, smells like weeping pussy in here.
by Daniel on Oct 8, 2011 12:24 PM CDT reply actions
didn’t see the personal foul? what happened?
also way to go d-line. working their asses off.
by mattdubya on Oct 8, 2011 12:24 PM CDT reply actions
This may turn into a loss for the ages. The talent differential is impossible to deny.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 12:24 PM CDT reply actions
Horn,
We are down 17. Playing for pride? Get that shit out of here, closet aggy.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 12:24 PM CDT reply actions
Stunning how we give their WRs all the space they need and still don’t cover.
Don’t understand why they’re allowed to roam untouched.
by Palmettohorn on Oct 8, 2011 12:25 PM CDT reply actions
Garry, I agree. Some of you people are fucking retarded.
by Really on Oct 8, 2011 12:25 PM CDT reply actions
There is a lot of game left folks…
This is where the young uns grow up.
by jet on Oct 8, 2011 12:25 PM CDT reply actions
Not sure its wholly talent. Experienced talent yes.
by 2xHorn on Oct 8, 2011 12:26 PM CDT reply actions
Can’t get away from the run right now. Gotta keep pounding away… was working before.
by REA on Oct 8, 2011 12:27 PM CDT reply actions
I don’t think OU has paid enough attention to how bewildered
they are supposed to be by Harsin’s scheming.
by lurkerinthedark on Oct 8, 2011 12:27 PM CDT reply actions
Pocket passing, unless it is very quick (and preferably on first down), isn’t going to work. The OL cannot protect the qb in the pocket. They will have to roll out the qb or he is a sitting duck.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 12:27 PM CDT reply actions
2x: absolutely. just outexecuting the crap out of us. not really shocking. don’t know how guys can defend gideon at all right now though.
by mattdubya on Oct 8, 2011 12:27 PM CDT reply actions
mattdubya
The PF call was late hit, Okafor I think.
by NateHeupel on Oct 8, 2011 12:28 PM CDT reply actions
The only disappointing part to me so far are the terrible penalties on D. Need to clean that stuff up.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 12:28 PM CDT reply actions
It’s hilarious watching all of you lose your shit. Entitlement to the max, yo’!
It’s hardly “entitlement” to be disappointed that the team is getting their shit pushed in on both sides of the ball like they’re Ball St. Of course, comments saying that Stoops has figured out this gimmicky offense are just stupid as hell.
by bigdukesix on Oct 8, 2011 12:29 PM CDT reply actions
You can’t understand pleasure without a little pain, Palmetto.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 12:29 PM CDT reply actions
Our defensive front is kicking their ass. We have GOT to get a TD before half.
by Blueshorn on Oct 8, 2011 12:30 PM CDT reply actions
That was good coverage. Good hold on 4th down.
by ultralight on Oct 8, 2011 12:30 PM CDT reply actions
Fuck Bob Stoops for thinking that would work. Dick.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 12:30 PM CDT reply actions
digduke, OU was beating Ball State 38-6 at the half. Hyperbole plays a big part in this fan meltdown as well.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 12:31 PM CDT reply actions
I think hearing “oh, the staff has so many wrinkles…we gotta redact the shit out of how badass this will be…you ain’t seen this Texas” all week got the “weeping pussies’” hopes unrealistically high – mine included. In a vacuum of “inside information”, I would’ve probably not been as dejected. My fault for buying into the hype.
by Dale C on Oct 8, 2011 12:31 PM CDT reply actions
That zone read is useless, not a good design.
Nice to see Ash on the move when he passes.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 12:33 PM CDT reply actions
And there’s inexperience for you. They’ll learn.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 12:34 PM CDT reply actions
The talent differential is real. Sure there are some young future game day difference makers on the O, but the D has been around awhile. Truth is, guys like Gideon, Whaley and few others really shouldn’t be playing at this level.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 12:34 PM CDT reply actions
Wow. I am disapoint. Not too surprised but very disappoint.
by 2xHorn on Oct 8, 2011 12:34 PM CDT reply actions
You who keep harping about which QB to go with in this one are missing the big picture. There’s too big of a experience differential for the QB to matter. They’re both young and both making lots of mistakes.
by Orange90 on Oct 8, 2011 12:34 PM CDT reply actions
Quick poll, its 4:30 am in sydney, should I just go to bed?
by Sydney Longhorn on Oct 8, 2011 12:34 PM CDT reply actions
Poor recruiting catches up.
No experience at QB
Same OLM from last year.
Not enough DT
by Texas Fight on Oct 8, 2011 12:35 PM CDT reply actions
I’m encouraged for the rest of the season, though. We’re much further along than many people thought we would be.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 12:35 PM CDT reply actions
Sydney,
If you’re a casual Longhorn fan, sure.
AND THERE WE GO FOZZY.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 12:36 PM CDT reply actions
Like I said before, who’d have thunk that special teams would be the highlight?
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 12:36 PM CDT reply actions
fozzy having the game of his life. way to get that shit done, son!
by mattdubya on Oct 8, 2011 12:36 PM CDT reply actions
Fozzy, well that was nice. Terrible tackle attempt by the kicker.
by ultralight on Oct 8, 2011 12:37 PM CDT reply actions
Having grown up in the sixties watching Texas wipe the field with Oklahoma every year, it is despicable to watch how badly Oklahoma outcoaches the Texas staff year after year. The state of Texas should be so humiliated that they should demand cancellation of football forthwith and immediately. What a disgrace that the richest state in the union and one so much more populous than Oklahoma gets their asses wiped by that little dustbowl province to the north. I want the death penalty for Texas football!
by Mike W on Oct 8, 2011 12:38 PM CDT reply actions
Texas may be down 17 going into the half, but you can’t discount our senior leadership on both sides of the ball.
I’m excited for the second half.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 12:39 PM CDT reply actions
i think mike w just gave me some sort of retard virus
by mattdubya on Oct 8, 2011 12:40 PM CDT reply actions
Mike W,
40+ years old and trolling? I’d suggest searching high and low for a new life.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 12:40 PM CDT reply actions
Mike W must not follow BC or the Mothership too often.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 12:40 PM CDT reply actions
Good guys got their bounce back.
Stop here would be very Ginormous.
by Palmettohorn on Oct 8, 2011 12:40 PM CDT reply actions
Oh sorry daniel thought that wasmdirected at Garry.
by 2xHorn on Oct 8, 2011 12:41 PM CDT reply actions
Okafor didn’t come across the line. Ridiculous
by ultralight on Oct 8, 2011 12:41 PM CDT reply actions
We finally hit the shit out of Landry Jones. But they still get a big first down.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 12:42 PM CDT reply actions
ultra,
Okafor was called for baiting Jones to jump.
And that screen call was just a good adjustment. OU sure can score quickly.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 12:43 PM CDT reply actions
Time for Fozzy to go go to work again.
by Spawn of Cthulhu on Oct 8, 2011 12:43 PM CDT reply actions
hey guys we have 3 timeouts we couldve called ya…know…one…to slow them down
by mattdubya on Oct 8, 2011 12:43 PM CDT reply actions
Fozzy is working hard today, and his hard work over the offseason shows.
I’m disappointed with our execution. Our secondary coverage has had some great individual plays, but overall poor execution of coverage.
Our lack of a quality passing game is definitely a huge weakness. Venables clearly feels comfortable blitzing like crazy. Stoops said in pre-game he knew we can’t really pass, so if they stop the run and cause turnovers, they’ll win. I suppose this is what they’re doing.
Must be frustrating for Diaz and Harsin. There’s only so much you can do with play-calling and schemes – the players have to actually execute.
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 12:43 PM CDT reply actions
Mack Brown, I wanted him out 2004 and I still want him out.
by Texas Fight on Oct 8, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions
Good point Matt. No reason to let them do what they feel like when you can break the action.
by Daniel on Oct 8, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions
I dunno who you attribute this more to. The inexperience of our secondary or bad game plan by Manny?
by REA on Oct 8, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions
OU has 34 points in one half. 3 points for our offense and 7 by Texas special teams.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions
This is why laying big hits is stupid. UT gave OU 20 yards on that drive by hitting instead of tackling.
by NateHeupel on Oct 8, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions
Diaz is in way over his head. The secondary looks like they are running around in a dark room. And they aren’t tackling. Not even trying.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions
Our Maginot OL is matched only by our secondary in the battle for ineptitude.
by Spawn of Cthulhu on Oct 8, 2011 12:45 PM CDT reply actions
Texas Fight,
Mack is not what or who you should be taking issue against.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 12:45 PM CDT reply actions
OU’s hurry up takes the DC out of the game because there is no time for him to communicate with his D.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 12:45 PM CDT reply actions
Someone tell me this is youth and Gideon in the secondary and not the defrocking of Diaz.
by 2xHorn on Oct 8, 2011 12:45 PM CDT reply actions
Game over. OU will do their best to put 60 on the board. It doesnt look like we will keep them from it
by jinx on Oct 8, 2011 12:45 PM CDT reply actions
Diaz is over his head? Yeah, he’s never been in big games against elite teams before or anything.
by Daniel on Oct 8, 2011 12:46 PM CDT reply actions
nate: scott thought that dude was trying to take his car away.
monahorns: they’re freshmen and sophs…what did you really expect against broyles and stills?
by mattdubya on Oct 8, 2011 12:46 PM CDT reply actions
What sucks the most is knowing that this OU team will totally shit the bed against LSU/Alabama come January.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 12:46 PM CDT reply actions
Gideon just shouldn’t be playing college football. I know everyone likes to say he’s a coach’s kid and he’s smart, but he just doesn’t have the athleticism. Two touchdowns chalked up (in part) to his getting burned.
This is getting embarrassing. We’re getting our butts handed to us.
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 12:47 PM CDT reply actions
Will be nice when our DBs quit trying to be human projectiles and start….ya, know…. tackling.
by Palmettohorn on Oct 8, 2011 12:47 PM CDT reply actions
I will also say that Diaz didn’t agree with the guys on BC. We aren’t giving anything up in the running game and are not focusing on slowing down the passing game. At least it doesn’t look like it.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 12:47 PM CDT reply actions
Manny Diaz does not take smart risks. There is no safe in Blake Gideon is not a safety…
by Ifpk454 on Oct 8, 2011 12:48 PM CDT reply actions
Big game Bob gets 60 against Mack again? How can that be acceptable?
by Texas Fight on Oct 8, 2011 12:49 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah doesn’t make plays. He runs around behind the play.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 12:49 PM CDT reply actions
You little babies keep crying in your beer. You all are part of the problem. Until Texas football grows some and gets a mean-ass coach like Stoops or Saban, I say DEATH PENALTY to Texas football for lack of balls. Texas has never been a true physical team and, just for your enlightenment, physicality is what football is all about.
by Mike W on Oct 8, 2011 12:50 PM CDT reply actions
Was Case throwing to anyone other than OU DB?
by Palmettohorn on Oct 8, 2011 12:50 PM CDT reply actions
“Diaz is over his head? Yeah, he’s never been in big games against elite teams before or anything.”
Diaz has never faced a hurry up O like OU before. He has much less impact than usual because there is no time for him to get his defense set up before OU hikes the ball.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 12:50 PM CDT reply actions
Line doesn’t block much. Taking a step back this week.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 12:51 PM CDT reply actions
Thank god all of the annoying shitheads in here only come out for gameday. I don’t know if I could stand this site if they were here all week.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 12:51 PM CDT reply actions
Mike W, if you’re not drunk, you’re a certifiable retard.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 12:51 PM CDT reply actions
mike davis should have just gone down immediately
by wtf242 on Oct 8, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions
As a former fb player, I"m still a firm beliver that a team takes on the personality of the head coach.
by Fantom on Oct 8, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions
Not only will the next half be painful, the following two halves are also going to suck.
by Spawn of Cthulhu on Oct 8, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions
We got smoked. We need A LOT of work. But I’ll be here when we get through it.
by BurntOrange Atlanta on Oct 8, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions
I wonder how Mack can answer Erin Andrews’ questions honestly given that he’s seen her naked.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 12:53 PM CDT reply actions
Mike Davis has to get down there for FG attempt.
by Savage Henry on Oct 8, 2011 12:53 PM CDT reply actions
Good point, Kafka.
Little different than lining up against SEC and Billy Jack style football.
by Palmettohorn on Oct 8, 2011 12:54 PM CDT reply actions
Are you people calling for Mack Brown to go serious?
by TKO on Oct 8, 2011 12:54 PM CDT reply actions
Amongst all the negativity, I still believe in Harsin and Diaz to make the adjustments and calm down those talented albeit young players! Hook ’Em!
by Fantom on Oct 8, 2011 12:54 PM CDT reply actions
Totally predictable. Youth at qb and db questions on dl and ol. Really hoped we wouldnt get buttfucked but were getting gaped.
by 2xHorn on Oct 8, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions
This second half is going to say everything about this team and how they are (or aren’t) different from last year’s squad. I want to see some fight out there.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions
Didn’t expect 34-10 at half. Not even for the game.
Diaz has never coached in a OU-TX game. It is a different animal. He coached at Miss St. whom no one gets up to play. Plus LSU, Alabama, and Auburn don’t play like this. Yes Auburn had a great O last year but this game is the pressure cooker of pressure cooker.
When your defense gives up 27 points, makes stupid penalties and gives up a 3rd and 25, you are doing something wrong.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions
I really thought our offense would be our strength today, based on Harsin and strong showings through the season by key guys.
Instead, our defense has actually been our strength today. Started out really strong, but having to clean up the trash from our offense has brought them down.
This is just not acceptable for Texas, regardless of how many young players we have. We look like a MAC or WAC school going up against OU.
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions
You all are a bunch of little pissants, drinking your Kool Aid and wearing your rose-colored glasses. You’re afraid to be honest with yourselves. Time to kill this brand of Texas football!
by Mike W on Oct 8, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions
Texas fight, quit with with the reactive fire Mack rhetoric. It’s 1 half of football against what is, this year, a superior team.
by What it do on Oct 8, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions
Oh, and to the extent it wasnt clear ou is for real.
by 2xHorn on Oct 8, 2011 12:56 PM CDT reply actions
Gary – in a game like this the sun shine pumpers make excuses and the rest of us simply dispair. There has not been much intelligence discourse from either group today.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 12:57 PM CDT reply actions
What it do, EVERY year Oklahoma is a superior team.
by Mike W on Oct 8, 2011 12:57 PM CDT reply actions
UT has rushed 16 times for 19 yards. The absolute key for the horns is to get the rushing attack working. The horns are doing a good job on their short first down passes but then get stuffed on the run. Maybe after they complete a 1st down pass, go wild foz on 2nd and 3rd to pick up the first down.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 12:57 PM CDT reply actions
Mike W is definitely big, green, full of warts, and resides under a quaint bridge waiting for little kids to walk by.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 12:57 PM CDT reply actions
Right Mikey Whhhaaaaa, because we’re 0-100 against OU. Aggy troll much?
by Daniel on Oct 8, 2011 12:59 PM CDT reply actions
I concur about the second half defining this team and this season. Based on prior experience, I should think that we lose 1-2 the rest of the year and squeak by in the Holiday Bowl. Flashes of brilliance mixed with flashes of ineptitude = something that gets you drunk quickly, but tastes like shit. I’d rather enjoy it instead of suffer into it. How about y’all?
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 12:59 PM CDT reply actions
Miles Onyegbule was going to throw it on that reverse. But reverses aren’t the kind of plays that work on OU. The back pursuit has to run down the LOS for that play to work. OU is aggressive but they know how to pursue the backside of a play. That was doomed from the start.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 12:59 PM CDT reply actions
Mike W, stop trolling and get back on your own board.
by REA on Oct 8, 2011 12:59 PM CDT reply actions
What really surprised me the most in the first half is how quickly Harsin abandoned the run. When you think about it, Boise St. was probably never down 10 points in the first half in his tenure there. He’s used to playing from the front. This game will be a learning experience for our team and staff. Diaz is seeing offensive football for the first time in his career. This ain’t the SEC
by alphahorn on Oct 8, 2011 12:59 PM CDT reply actions
We MAY lose this game.
Fozzy came to play. Props to him.
by Scipio Tex on Oct 8, 2011 1:00 PM CDT reply actions
Its 1 o’clock and OU still suvks. We just suck worse.
by Laughing Cow on Oct 8, 2011 1:00 PM CDT reply actions
Simple equation.
Talent + Experience + Solid Coaching > Smoke and Mirrors
by Davey O'Brien on Oct 8, 2011 1:00 PM CDT reply actions
That play would have been fine if Case had blocked. Ash should have been in there instead just to throw that block.
by Daniel on Oct 8, 2011 1:00 PM CDT reply actions
The running game was working early in the first half and we moved the ball well. Gotta get back to that to take the pressure off the QBs. Mixed in a couple of quick passes, but run the ball.
by REA on Oct 8, 2011 1:00 PM CDT reply actions
The OL is getting slaughtered by OU. It all starts up front. We may need to run a lot more of those screens where 3 OL guys are outside to block the screen. That way they get to block DBs instead of DL.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 1:01 PM CDT reply actions
Flash,
The point is that despair gets you absolutely nowhere. Recognize the current limitations of this incredibly young squad and look for week-to-week improvement.
Right now, our interior DL is playing well and towards the end of the first half began to get some good pressure. Diaz has been caught off-guard a couple of times on the screen, but he has come in and done well enough trying to play bend-don’t break.
As Jabba said above, if the offense continues to turn the ball over, the defense is caught in the unfortunate position of playing on short rest against the fastest-paced offense in the nation.
Offensively, the leaders are young. They’ve never been in this position before and don’t know what to do.
I just want to see good second-half adjustments (I wish Harsin would go no-huddle) and fight. I’m going to have something to complain about if these guys quit out there.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:02 PM CDT reply actions
Case block? Hahahahahahaha. Huh? Aaaahahahahaha.
But yeah Fozzy came to play. He is having a great great year. I would actually like to see Fozzy play most of the snaps in the 2nd half. He doesn’t block the blitz well though. Gotta find something else for him to do.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 1:02 PM CDT reply actions
“The OL is getting slaughtered by OU. It all starts up front.”
Agreed. The OL hasn’t had a good outing.
by TKO on Oct 8, 2011 1:03 PM CDT reply actions
gameplan should have been more focused around malcolm brown. run it with him on 1st and 2nd down. he’ll get three even when nothing is there…third and three is a makable down for this offense. they have no shot on 2nd and 13 or 3rd and 8…harsin got too cute…trick plays came back to bite texas today…not saying we would be winning with a different gameplan, but I think the score is could be something like 17-10 at the half instead of what it is…gave the young guys too many opportunities to make mistakes.
by elmer f. on Oct 8, 2011 1:03 PM CDT reply actions
When will we see the vaunted Mykkele Thompson on offense as suggested during the week?
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 1:04 PM CDT reply actions
I think our whole team came to play. I don’t see anyone goofing off. The only thing holding us back is the experience and talent differential is like Rice versus Texas today.
What was the score at half time of the blowu / Ball State game? I thought that was such a telling bit of data someone posted earlier.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 1:04 PM CDT reply actions
I’m really curious to see what adjustments our new coaches make. I didn’t expect or even think we could win. But this is completely unacceptable. Stoops will do his best to make this as ugly as he can. Do we have the balls to stop him?
Some of what mike W says is right. I’m sure he is drunk and pissed ( an may have other problems). But this is the sign of a team that is completely unprepared. The ball St comparison doesn’t look so dumb right now.
by jinx on Oct 8, 2011 1:04 PM CDT reply actions
Mike W,
You are so fucking tough talking shit on an internet site.
by todaystomsawyer on Oct 8, 2011 1:04 PM CDT reply actions
Gideon needs to sign up for a few more accounting classes because he has no career playing football. Brian Harsin has finally been exposed.
by Big Al on Oct 8, 2011 1:04 PM CDT reply actions
The OL has been the worst toward the end of the half. I thought they started out okay. Trey Allen isn’t very smart.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 1:04 PM CDT reply actions
Hey, I’m out because you guys are boring me. You may not like what I say, but the results are always the same. Without a massive change in the way Texas approaches football, you can all wave your little orange pennants all you like, but Texas will never again be a nationally dominant program the way that Alabama, Oklahoma, and USC are. Enjoy the second half!
by Mike W on Oct 8, 2011 1:05 PM CDT reply actions
I want to be positive, and hear the argument that this is a “learning experience.”
There’s a difference between learning from a tough loss, and getting taken out the woodshed, spanked, and put to bed without any supper.
On the other hand, I remember being at the UT-Okie State game back in 2005, and being down by 4 touchdowns at halftime. Everyone in the stadium was pissed, angry, and frustrated. One random middle-aged female Texas fan kept telling everyone, “Just wait. Vince will bring us back. You’ll see.” We all thought she was an idiot . . .
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 1:05 PM CDT reply actions
We did raw, that’s what Mona is moaning over. Case wet-toilet-papered the block that has to be made and Mykkele got tagged for a loss.
by Daniel on Oct 8, 2011 1:05 PM CDT reply actions
Man, this team has some ridiculous fans. Even if this game is over, which it isn’t, doesn’t mean Texas is not a good team. Get some perspective and recognize running into a better team.
by SMUHorn on Oct 8, 2011 1:06 PM CDT reply actions
We will lose the game but if we don’t panic, we can slow down the OU onslaught enough to keep the score from being absolutely humiliating. The new goal is to keep OU under 50. We have to focus on making 1st downs and just keep the ball.
We should have sold out to stop the pass in the first half. Yeah, we did a good job vs the run but that gained nothing.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 1:06 PM CDT reply actions
Are you kidding? We have one bad season in a decade, and because we’re about to fall to 4-1 this year we are suddenly incapable of having a dominant football program? We’re in way better shape than USC is.
by CartesianDemon on Oct 8, 2011 1:06 PM CDT reply actions
It will be a positive 2nd half if Texas keeps OU in the 40s and makes it to the 30s. Otherwise, it’s just OU letting up.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 1:06 PM CDT reply actions
Jabba,
Sometimes a good, old-fashioned ass-kicking is a learning experience unto itself.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:06 PM CDT reply actions
As for giving up the running game, every OC does that when faced with an O they cannot otherwise hope to match score for score. In that respect, Harsin is no different from …..
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 1:07 PM CDT reply actions
I do wanna see how they come out after this. The team has face “adversity” against BYU…. but this will be a much better test of character. We’ve said all week that Harsin is better than Venables in half time adjustments….
by bHero on Oct 8, 2011 1:07 PM CDT reply actions
No huddle… me likey.
Take the game to them for a change.
by Palmettohorn on Oct 8, 2011 1:08 PM CDT reply actions
Jabba, that was in 2004, and everyone in the stadium, but you apparently, knew we were gonna win that game at halftime.
by Daniel on Oct 8, 2011 1:08 PM CDT reply actions
I have the TV on mute because Desmond Howard is a borderline illiterate idiot. Anyone else?
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 1:09 PM CDT reply actions
Mike W,
As a recent graduate of USC, I can only laughing immensely at the thought of our program being considered nationally dominant.
1. It’s quite clear that USCs high-point was the result of blatant cheating and/or massive oversight.
2. The program is currently rudderless and has a head coach that shouldn’t have been promoted beyond position coach. They have been replaced by Oregon and Stanford, just as nice of schools in much more ideal locations with much more intense fanbases.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:10 PM CDT reply actions
Our recruiting of safeties has been a big HUH??
by Orangechipper on Oct 8, 2011 1:11 PM CDT reply actions
Mack isn’t going anywhere but Bob owns him and beats him like a drum when he can. This is not Diaz fault or Harsin. Need more offense but if anyone thinks you can beat OU with this OL is kidding themselves.
by Texas Fight on Oct 8, 2011 1:11 PM CDT reply actions
I don’t think there is any realistic chance the we come back and win… but that doesn’t mean everyone run around an pout and give up and cry. I can’t stand that whiny crap.
by bHero on Oct 8, 2011 1:12 PM CDT reply actions
Does anyone know if Harsin every ran no-huddle at Boise? It’s the one part of his gameplan I’m not so sure exists.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:12 PM CDT reply actions
Texas Fight,
I’m glad you’ve finally made a half-cogent point. Anyone who has been reading about Texas this year should know that the current OL unit is ramshackle and completely patched together.
However, Searels has done a great job maximizing talent out of these guys so far. This is a big part of why 2012 might not be the year either.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:14 PM CDT reply actions
Imagine if Howard would have gone to OSU. haha
by ValleyLonghorn on Oct 8, 2011 1:14 PM CDT reply actions
@Garry: touche.
@Texas Fight: You’re right – we don’t have a Vince. But even at that point, Vince hadn’t really stepped up under adversity, except for the previous Rose Bowl against Michigan. The comeback against OSU was the defining moment of that season, even more than the OU game (which ended up not even being that much of a contest).
Maybe someone will step up.
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 1:14 PM CDT reply actions
Everywhere we have freshmen, we are getting out played… I didn’t really think that it would matter THAT much. What ever happened to Vacarro on Broyle like Duane was saying earlier this week? I’ve seen Diggs getting school against him……
by bHero on Oct 8, 2011 1:15 PM CDT reply actions
man what the hell case just put the ball to your body, BRO
by mattdubya on Oct 8, 2011 1:16 PM CDT reply actions
Disappointed that Brown tried to take the edge against Fleming. Just hammer him!
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:16 PM CDT reply actions
If we can get back to within 2 scores I will consider that a great success.
Nevermind
by jinx on Oct 8, 2011 1:16 PM CDT reply actions
Case one handed it at arms length again. Just go down.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 1:17 PM CDT reply actions
Our QBs look like total shit today…no mental timing, no sense of urgency, no ball protection. You would think when the O-Line isn’t playing well, the QBs would start watching their backs a bit. Jesus….
by STLaw on Oct 8, 2011 1:17 PM CDT reply actions
Both QBs are horrible. Greg Davis gets the last laugh. Fucker.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 1:17 PM CDT reply actions
Case has got to stop holding the ball like he’s Neon Deion otherwise he shouldn’t take another snap. This team cannot afford to have every sack when he’s in become a turnover.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:18 PM CDT reply actions
Our strategy to tire out their kicker on extra points is sure to start paying off after a couple more OU td’s, then its game over!
by Patrick on Oct 8, 2011 1:18 PM CDT reply actions
Poor Case. The more I watch this game, the more I realize how really poorly we have recruited the last few years. Our QBs and OL are an embarassment of ineptitude.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 1:18 PM CDT reply actions
I wonder if Connor Brewer will be able to handle the pressure next October.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 1:19 PM CDT reply actions
Dare I say it?
I shall.
This really puts Garret Gilbert’s career at Texas in perspective.
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 1:19 PM CDT reply actions
Looks like that 11 point spread wasn’t very smart… just not the way I was thinking.
by Johnnymac on Oct 8, 2011 1:19 PM CDT reply actions
OU will have to lay down NOT to score 60, now.
by Blueshorn on Oct 8, 2011 1:19 PM CDT reply actions
Stfu, Texas fight. We get your point. Mack brown sucks. Ahhh!!! Fuck!! Please, let’s get something positive to talk about!
by Randy Marsh on Oct 8, 2011 1:19 PM CDT reply actions
31 points down with 5 seconds gone in the 3rd quarter.
by Johnnymac on Oct 8, 2011 1:20 PM CDT reply actions
We don’t want to run no huddle vs OU. They are super well prepared to defend it because they practice every day against the OU no huddle.
Just grind out first downs methodically. Short quick pass on first down and then run the wild foz on downs 2 and 3.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 1:20 PM CDT reply actions
Vince sucked against OU in 2004. He couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn.
Short memories. Everyone was yelling for him to be benched against Missouri.
When Vince was a freshman which is what Ash is, OU beat the living shit out of us like they are today.
Mike W, you are a pussy. USC already lost to Arizona State. Really dominate there.
by todaystomsawyer on Oct 8, 2011 1:20 PM CDT reply actions
Diggs is not effective as a kick returner. Are we that afraid of DJ’s hands?
by Kilgorehorn on Oct 8, 2011 1:21 PM CDT reply actions
There is much OU penetration, immediately. It blows up and slow developing play.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 1:21 PM CDT reply actions
The negative plays are just killing us. All of these young guys are too confident in their speed.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:21 PM CDT reply actions
Texas is in wayyyyyyyyy over their head in this game.
by Davey O'Brien on Oct 8, 2011 1:21 PM CDT reply actions
Because things are so, Texas will rebound to beat OSU next weekend but lose to somebody we shouldn’t, like A&M or Tech or Baylor.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 1:21 PM CDT reply actions
I never thought I would see the day where Whittaker is our best North-South runner, but that day has come.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:22 PM CDT reply actions
I don’t like whining either, but I define “whining” as disproportionately/irrationally focusing on the negative.
Unfortunately, today, there really aren’t many positives to discuss. Discussing the negatives is fair, because that’s pretty much the only thing we’re seeing today.
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 1:22 PM CDT reply actions
Sure, as long as facts and reason are used when doing so.
by Daniel on Oct 8, 2011 1:24 PM CDT reply actions
Agreed, Garry.
The guys are pushing too hard now. Even Malcolm Brown is forgetting how to run North-South.
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 1:25 PM CDT reply actions
Just curious but "why shouldn’t " this Texas team lose to Baylor in Waco or A&M in College Station?
by Davey O'Brien on Oct 8, 2011 1:25 PM CDT reply actions
Have slow developing plays ever worked on OU? Especially when they are up/have momentum? Get your 2-3 yds and get your butt back to the huddle.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 1:26 PM CDT reply actions
It one thing to talk about the negatives, that makes sense in the absence of positives or reminiscing of 2004 magical comebacks (no offense).
It’s completely another to here this kill mack, diaz sucks, UT is in over there head mess…. It’s not like OU has better athletes. They are just executing better. Dumb and simple.
by bHero on Oct 8, 2011 1:26 PM CDT reply actions
Glad I don’t have LHN this week. I will save myself the suffering of post game. Much beer will be consumed before I pass out tonight.
Anyone else get a stomach cramp everytime the score rolls by all night after a game like this?
by jinx on Oct 8, 2011 1:26 PM CDT reply actions
Lots of kick off return practice. Still not getting it done except for the one that was enabled by a crushing block in the middle. Anyone catch who that was?
by lonesome devil on Oct 8, 2011 1:27 PM CDT reply actions
“Just curious but "why shouldn’t " this Texas team lose to Baylor in Waco or A&M in College Station?”
They are not OU and we should improve as the season progresses?
by Kilgorehorn on Oct 8, 2011 1:27 PM CDT reply actions
All Longhorn fans laughed at the meltdown on TexAgs after the last 2 losses by them and we are just as bad.
I don’t blame anyone whatsoever for being pissed.
by todaystomsawyer on Oct 8, 2011 1:27 PM CDT reply actions
If Malcom Brown were the real deal at RB, he would have at least one giant play for more than 40 yards by this time in the game.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 1:27 PM CDT reply actions
Davey,
I’d like to think Baylor’s piss-poor defense will do them in against Texas. Baylor’s offense seems to be RGIII to Kendall Wright at this point and I think Diaz can shut that down well enough.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:27 PM CDT reply actions
OU might want to take Jones out just to make sure he doesn’t get hurt in a blow out.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 1:28 PM CDT reply actions
Tough to run north and south when there is no north….
by lonesome devil on Oct 8, 2011 1:28 PM CDT reply actions
The Ags were picked to very good. We were not. We played nobody and barely beat two of them. They were winning big at halftime. We were losing big in the middle of the second quarter.
by Texas Fight on Oct 8, 2011 1:29 PM CDT reply actions
@ Flash…Malcolm Brown is still a True Freshman. You can’t expect someone that new and at their first Tx vs. Ou game to have a great game. Especially with the Oline play we have seen thus far.
by ValleyLonghorn on Oct 8, 2011 1:30 PM CDT reply actions
Every year at TX-OU, I get to watch a walking-talking piece of shit. Its name is bob stoops.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 1:30 PM CDT reply actions
Gee whiz, do we ever need the extra reps that come with a bowl game. Any bowl game.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 1:30 PM CDT reply actions
That’s not going to happen Kafka, this is Stoopsie we’re talking about. Think about what he did to Bradford.
by Daniel on Oct 8, 2011 1:30 PM CDT reply actions
Re: Texas-Okie State in 2004: glad to hear you are a psychic genius. not sure what part of the stadium you were sitting in, with all of your psychic genius friends, but in the student section, we were all pissed and not at all just expecting a 28 point halftime deficit to be erased.
Have you thought about applying to Professor Xavier’s academy?
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 1:31 PM CDT reply actions
Disappointed to see so little of Monroe to this point. Another nice run by Whittaker.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:31 PM CDT reply actions
You know, in August I didn’t necessarily expect us to be 4-0 coming into this game, so I’m going to go ahead and admit that my expectations in this game got ahead of reality. This is one of OU’s best and most experienced teams in a while and we’re very young and this kind of game is what often happens when this type of matchup occurs, especially in a rivalry game.
When this game is over we’ll still be 4-1 and ranked in the top 25, and yes, OSU is liable to get ugly, too, but hell – let the young guys get some experience and let them endure the sting of this kind of shit. It will only make us better in the future.
by Johnnymac on Oct 8, 2011 1:31 PM CDT reply actions
Why did we stop running Foz in the first half?
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 1:32 PM CDT reply actions
I have noticed this year that Brown has yet to really get to the second level.
by Texas Fight on Oct 8, 2011 1:32 PM CDT reply actions
@Valley
There are a dozen true freshmen out there….
maybe we a little to naive to think that wouldn’t affect things that much.
by bHero on Oct 8, 2011 1:32 PM CDT reply actions
Not sure that means anything but he has yet to shake one
by Texas Fight on Oct 8, 2011 1:32 PM CDT reply actions
Kilgorehorn, when was the last time a Texas team improved as the season progressed?
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 1:32 PM CDT reply actions
Pfft. Were you even at the game? You first said it was in ’05, then you yet again said it was after the Rose Bowl when we played Michigan. Neither was true.
I was sitting on the first row right behind the defense’s benches. The comeback started before the half, and we just started inflicting our will on them.
by Daniel on Oct 8, 2011 1:33 PM CDT reply actions
Jabba,
It seems pretty clear now that Harsin got away from his own gameplan once the game started to get out of hand. I think this game is as good for Harsin as it is for the kids.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:33 PM CDT reply actions
Past history with GDGD doesn’t affect future performance.
by Kilgorehorn on Oct 8, 2011 1:33 PM CDT reply actions
Ah……..so A&M’s offense isn’t more similar to OU’s offense than same BYU and ISU and Baylor has no talent on offense either.
I am not saying Texas hasn’t or won’t improve, but I just find it curious how somehow Texas has improved to the point they are better than two schools that beat them in Austin when those offenses return the bulk of their play makers.
by Davey O'Brien on Oct 8, 2011 1:34 PM CDT reply actions
the trick plays have all been destroyed. OU seems to just blitz everyone in those formations.
by wtf242 on Oct 8, 2011 1:34 PM CDT reply actions
Our problems are not youth, we are not young at all on the Offensive line and it it PATHETIC.
The Sooner defense is NOT GOOD, the Horn offensive line is THAT BAD.
by Willow01 on Oct 8, 2011 1:35 PM CDT reply actions
@Fight
He hasn’t broke one yet this year. For all of the solid 4-5 yard gains he comes up with, he’s certainly had nothing longer then 30 that I can remember.
by Johnnymac on Oct 8, 2011 1:35 PM CDT reply actions
Davey, since we know where your heart lies, can you tell us if you think Texas would beat TCU?
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 1:36 PM CDT reply actions
Davey,
Jay Finley and Josh Gordon are no longer at Baylor. They made up half of Baylor’s offensive playmakers last year.
Their run game did poor last week in their first defensive test, so I still think that should be a win. Things could change in the coming weeks, though.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:36 PM CDT reply actions
This game is just a painful reminder that we’ve got some work to do.
I agree with the comment on Harsin. This should be good for him as well. This was his first Big Time rivalry game.
by TXPride on Oct 8, 2011 1:36 PM CDT reply actions
WTF? When did I thought Will Muschamp was coaching in Baton Rouge today?!?!
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 1:37 PM CDT reply actions
Their walk-on RB just made us look stupid. Stick a fork in it…
by Blueshorn on Oct 8, 2011 1:37 PM CDT reply actions
Musberger’s commentry is fucking salt in the wound.
by TXPride on Oct 8, 2011 1:37 PM CDT reply actions
Well we are 4-1 after this. Could be worse
by Sydney Longhorn on Oct 8, 2011 1:37 PM CDT reply actions
No linebackers to be found on that one……our strength.
by lonesome devil on Oct 8, 2011 1:38 PM CDT reply actions
Musberger is a drunk teen-whore fucker. His spot in Hell is reserved.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 1:38 PM CDT reply actions
Willow,
Your assertion (highly educated, no doubt) that OU’s “defense is NOT GOOD” is laughable at best.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:38 PM CDT reply actions
Ugh. Really didnt expect this level of epic beatdown. This could easily be the worst yet.
by 2xHorn on Oct 8, 2011 1:39 PM CDT reply actions
Is this the same willow that was on Orangebloods?
by todaystomsawyer on Oct 8, 2011 1:39 PM CDT reply actions
Manny Diaz is not God’s gift to Longhorn football. However, from all accounts he is a real nice guy.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 1:39 PM CDT reply actions
Remember Missouri scored 28 on this team and run the ball very well.
We can’t even keep a walk on from going 70 yds for a TD. This Defense is a pile of crap.
Vaccaro hasn’t done anything. Acho hasn’t done anything. Not sure Robinson has done anything.
Where the hell are all these brilliant half time adjustments from our new space aged coordinators? Not saying I don’t like them but this is the game of the year. And they both have failed miserably.
The reports were saying that everyone was feeling so confident. Why?
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 1:40 PM CDT reply actions
Penalty aside, that was a sweet play by Monroe. Ridiculous speed.
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 1:40 PM CDT reply actions
This OU team had a difficult time with a Seminole team that is about to lose to Wake Forest. What.The.Fuck.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 1:41 PM CDT reply actions
This would be easier to understand if OU were senior-to-senior across the starting roster.
by parlin on Oct 8, 2011 1:41 PM CDT reply actions
The lack of will to fight for yards right now is disheartening.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:41 PM CDT reply actions
This will sound dumb… but it looks like out guys are over-confident in their speed against OU.
by bHero on Oct 8, 2011 1:41 PM CDT reply actions
shipley’s gotta take the yards he had and get that first. frosh.
by mattdubya on Oct 8, 2011 1:41 PM CDT reply actions
Official can’t get over the ball with 10 sec left on the play clock. That’s just weak
by ultralight on Oct 8, 2011 1:42 PM CDT reply actions
The only suspense left is whether we can get 200 yards of offense.
by Savage Henry on Oct 8, 2011 1:42 PM CDT reply actions
Good to see CJ working hard for a few yards.
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 1:42 PM CDT reply actions
rawaustin,
Never use the transitive property regarding matchups. It fails 100% of the time.
parlin,
The biggest difference has been under center. Our QBs have given away too much for anything else to matter.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:42 PM CDT reply actions
Yes Gary, the same OU defense that gave up 500+ yard to the great Mizzouri Tigers you moron.
by Willow01 on Oct 8, 2011 1:43 PM CDT reply actions
Wagers on whether stoops gets a new all time win in this series today? I’m going with yes
by jinx on Oct 8, 2011 1:44 PM CDT reply actions
Kilgorehorn, it is unlikely that a team with such deep talent deficit can be improved much over the next six games even by the greatest coaches to ever walk the sideline at DKR-Memorial. These coaches are special, but until they can show they can recruit no one should bet on them.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 1:44 PM CDT reply actions
We will find out about Texas and TCU next year because anything else is just speculation.
I would defenitely say at this time Texas is the better squad, but this is the first complete team Texas has played and for those who believe that smoke and mirrors alone would cover-up the warts of the past recruiting and off-seasons are finding out that talent does matter and Texas isn’t talented enough in key areas.
If they played today it would be interesting as TCU’s biggest weakness on defense is their secondary and there is no doubt what the weakness is for the Texas offense.
TCU can also play the up tempo offense which prevents Diaz from making adjustments between snaps.
by Davey O'Brien on Oct 8, 2011 1:44 PM CDT reply actions
@ Garry… I know that the transitive effort fails every time, but it makes this particular effort all the more difficult to bear.
The Beam is gone and now we’re on to the hefeweizen. But it strangely adds some perspective to this game.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 1:44 PM CDT reply actions
I think the theme of a lot of this posters on this board come from my grandfather……
“Boy, you got a lot of quit in you.”
by bHero on Oct 8, 2011 1:45 PM CDT reply actions
Willow,
Your “moron” comment aside, as I said before, matchups are matchups are matchups. If you think we run anything close to Mizzou’s wide-open spread, then I have no hope for your ability to recognize the subtlety of this game.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:45 PM CDT reply actions
I had to come back to tell you guys what pissants you really are for criticizing Musberger. He’s a great announcer and he’s just telling it like it is. If you criticize Musberger, it just proves my whole thesis today: you can’t handle the truth!
by Mike W on Oct 8, 2011 1:46 PM CDT reply actions
Nice run by Brown. Ready to get physical there at the end.
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 1:46 PM CDT reply actions
in an ironic development, the folks that took the O/U today are dying a slow death.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 1:47 PM CDT reply actions
Glad to see Brown angry. These guys haven’t given up.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:47 PM CDT reply actions
i’d tell mike to go fuck himself, but he has no more viagra.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 1:48 PM CDT reply actions
Moving the ball now. I wish Harsin had stuck with this in the first half.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:48 PM CDT reply actions
Herbstreit on David Ash: “Make no mistake, between he and Case McCoy, Ash probably has the stronger arm.”
Wow.
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 1:49 PM CDT reply actions
Case looked like Kenny from South Park there…can’t say Ash looked better being whipped around either :P
by Dale C on Oct 8, 2011 1:49 PM CDT reply actions
The “key matchups” in this game looked like freshman composure vs. the opportunistic OU squad. They were all over us any time we made a mistake.
by bHero on Oct 8, 2011 1:49 PM CDT reply actions
Garry it’s called foot off gas. Of which OU just put it on again.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 1:49 PM CDT reply actions
Musberger is definitely not one of our resident sunshine pumpers. Most of which are already gone from the blog thread. They seldom stay for a full game at DKR-Memorial.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 1:50 PM CDT reply actions
Ash needs to realize he does not have elite speed.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 1:50 PM CDT reply actions
Monahorns,
I don’t give a shit what OU does. The real problem is when Texas stop fighting.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:50 PM CDT reply actions
Holy fuck. We didnt even punt for a first down. We shouldnt even take skill players for the next couple of years. Keerist.
by 2xHorn on Oct 8, 2011 1:51 PM CDT reply actions
Garry, the point is that Texas wasn’t moving the ball because of any reason due to Texas. OU took some plays off then decided they didn’t want Texas to score. It’s ugly but it’s the truth.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 1:52 PM CDT reply actions
And the defense is 3 steps to slow on every play. Even when there is a defender standing right next to a Sooner they spin and get 3-4.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 1:53 PM CDT reply actions
Who has a link to PHXHorns post on Orangebloods at the significance of experience and maturity in your lines?
by Davey O'Brien on Oct 8, 2011 1:53 PM CDT reply actions
Not saying you aren’t correct.
It still stands that Harsin stopped the running the gameplan (run to set up the pass) in the first half. I would have liked to see that.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:53 PM CDT reply actions
Vaccaro is stupid. No need to do that. Make a play. Don’t be a twat.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 1:53 PM CDT reply actions
Mike w, Mooseburger is a fag as are you.
His nasally voice is just flat out annoying
by todaystomsawyer on Oct 8, 2011 1:54 PM CDT reply actions
Odd PI call.
Vaccaro barely grabs him, Jones has a deep overthrow and Broyles stops running well before PI would have mattered.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:55 PM CDT reply actions
What are the chances L. Jones graduate’s this year?
by TXPride on Oct 8, 2011 1:55 PM CDT reply actions
Gary: This OU defense will get run over by LSU, Bama or Wisc this season and as you just mentioned, have already shown that they can’t stop a spread offense.
If you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you. Because of their defense, OU will not make it out of the regular season undefeated.
Our Offensive line is THAT BAD.
by Willow01 on Oct 8, 2011 1:55 PM CDT reply actions
Agreed, but the shoulder grab was too obvious to ignore, I suppose.
by Daniel on Oct 8, 2011 1:55 PM CDT reply actions
In terms of awesomeness, the SF reliever certainly has it. of course, SF isn’t even in the postseason.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 1:56 PM CDT reply actions
We may approach -100 yds in negative plays. I doubt I’ve seen that before.
by ultralight on Oct 8, 2011 1:56 PM CDT reply actions
I wish the OL would atleast give the team a chance to be successful and allow Ash to progress
by Vanilla Face on Oct 8, 2011 1:57 PM CDT reply actions
Willow,
Of course our O-Line is bad.
And I don’t think OU’s defense has no chance against those offenses. I think OU’s offense would be destroyed by LSU and Alabama’s defenses, though.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:58 PM CDT reply actions
Kinda surprised Jones is still in. One shot and he’s done and so is OU’s season.
by Palmettohorn on Oct 8, 2011 1:58 PM CDT reply actions
Acho learned from the first A-gap blitz where he came free. Got up in the air to block his vision.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 1:59 PM CDT reply actions
Palmetto,
You’re shocked that OU starters play in the 4th Quarter when up big? I’m not.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 2:00 PM CDT reply actions
“Kinda surprised Jones is still in. One shot and he’s done and so is OU’s season.”
Bob Stoops
by TXPride on Oct 8, 2011 2:00 PM CDT reply actions
Jones is still in because the voters are impressed by blowouts.
by Kilgorehorn on Oct 8, 2011 2:00 PM CDT reply actions
When you look at our talent deficit, you have to know that a bunch of people are wondering why they pay so much to subscribe to so-called recruiting services.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 2:00 PM CDT reply actions
I would LOVE for us to break Landry Jones’ leg
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 2:00 PM CDT reply actions
Texas needs to be hitting Jones every time possible.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 2:01 PM CDT reply actions
Rawaustin,
I hate to say it, but me too.
by todaystomsawyer on Oct 8, 2011 2:01 PM CDT reply actions
Bob Stoops knows how best to say FUCK TEXAS. I wish someday we have a coaching staff like that.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 2:02 PM CDT reply actions
I hope that one of the Horns breaks Landry Jones leg right now still in the game up 48-10.
Stoops running it up is just stupid and could easily cost him the season.
by Willow01 on Oct 8, 2011 2:02 PM CDT reply actions
As long as Broyles and Jones are in the game I’m headhunting these motherfuckers.
by Savage Henry on Oct 8, 2011 2:02 PM CDT reply actions
Irby-esque stress fracture. If Rice can do it, why can’t we?
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 2:03 PM CDT reply actions
If I’m Texas’ D I cheap shot jones every chance I get no matter if it’s a flag with the sole intent of putting him out for the year. If a coach doesn’t get his starter out in the 4th in this situation he’s asking for so eps to break his arm/legs or helmet to helmet him late repeatedly. Texas defense has nothing to lose right now but can end OU’s season with a perfect combination of hits.
by Paulie on Oct 8, 2011 2:03 PM CDT reply actions
Wishing injury on opposing players, rivals notwithstanding, es muy malo.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 2:03 PM CDT reply actions
Forgive the braincramp.
Shouldn’t think logically when it comes to OU.
by Palmettohorn on Oct 8, 2011 2:03 PM CDT reply actions
Going on 4th up 37? Really Bob? Wish i could say i was surprised.
by 2xHorn on Oct 8, 2011 2:04 PM CDT reply actions
I can’t help but think that I am like tasty gravy to a hungry wolf.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 2:04 PM CDT reply actions
Stoopsie doesn’t give a shit about the health of his QB, ever.
by Daniel on Oct 8, 2011 2:05 PM CDT reply actions
I suppose I need someone to tell me how to interpret this disaster of a game.
It’s not totally due to youth: OU doesn’t have 22 seniors across the board.
Is it really just that we have inexperienced QBs?
Is it our coaching staff?
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 2:05 PM CDT reply actions
Commish,
My apologies and I have never said that kind of thing before. Just kind of pisses me off when coaches do that.
Pisses me off when Mack did the same with our starters.
by todaystomsawyer on Oct 8, 2011 2:06 PM CDT reply actions
You’ve got to look at the game as 34-10… 14 pts are due to OU’s D.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 2:06 PM CDT reply actions
OU going for it on 4th and 3, up by 38, w/1st string still in.
I won’t make that mistake again.
Hope Mack never forgets once tables are turned.
by Palmettohorn on Oct 8, 2011 2:06 PM CDT reply actions
Could somebody please explain to me why DJ doesn’t see the field more.
by todaystomsawyer on Oct 8, 2011 2:06 PM CDT reply actions
Inexperienced QB, inexperienced players in general, poor OL talent, first year co-ords on both sides of the ball.
Why does it have to be one thing?
by Daniel on Oct 8, 2011 2:07 PM CDT reply actions
Jabba,
Our QBs are directly responsible for all 4 turnovers and a host of negative plays. It’s 80% on them and 20% on Harsin, IMO.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 2:07 PM CDT reply actions
Offensively, at least. Defense has had a host of issues as well.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 2:07 PM CDT reply actions
Wishing season-ending injuries on young college kids is ridiculous and immature. It’s something A&M or OU fans might do, but I expect more from Texas fans.
Is the on-field embarrassment not enough for y’all? You have to add off-field stupidity as well?
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 2:08 PM CDT reply actions
Oh, come on jabba. we’re just trying to find some reason to keep watching.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 2:09 PM CDT reply actions
This team is sloppy and unaware. It gets you beat when you play a team as talented as you.
They were sloppy against Iowa State too but they’re Iowa State.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 2:10 PM CDT reply actions
People are only wishing injury on Jones because our players aren’t allowed to tackle Bob.
by fw on Oct 8, 2011 2:13 PM CDT reply actions
OU has set two all time school defensive records. Most yards on TFL, and most defensive TDs in a game.
by NateHeupel on Oct 8, 2011 2:14 PM CDT reply actions
This game will be a great learning experience for our football team. It will also benefit so many of our fans by bringing their expectations back to reality and by opening their eyes to how even the finest coaches cannot win without top flight talent. I can only hope that Harsin and Diaz can recruit as well as they coach and that the administration will give them time to do so.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 2:15 PM CDT reply actions
Those are actually good points, Flash. Lots of work and recruiting to do.
by Daniel on Oct 8, 2011 2:16 PM CDT reply actions
Flash,
The incoming class, although not definite yet, certainly shows that recruiting should not be an issue.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 2:16 PM CDT reply actions
All you little turds calling me a troll! My God, man, must you be a troll to see that Texas can’t block, can’t tackle, can’t cover, plays with little intensity, Even a blind man can see it! Your problem, and that which pervades the University today, is that you’re so damned content to beat the conference small frys and get a 10-win season. Screw that! Can you even remember Pride? Texas, since the Royal days, has been the most underachieving college in football, especially given all the riches, the recruiting grounds there, the stupid LHN, etc. Nonsense, NONSENSE. Go for the gold or give it up, but quit rolling in mediocrity. Troll, my ass.
by Mike W on Oct 8, 2011 2:17 PM CDT reply actions
we empty the backfield, they blitz, not that we can do much about it since we cannot block
by Texas Fight on Oct 8, 2011 2:17 PM CDT reply actions
Correction. Three. Most yards on sacks in a game.
by NateHeupel on Oct 8, 2011 2:17 PM CDT reply actions
Mike W,
Yes, yes we are calling you a troll.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 2:18 PM CDT reply actions
hey Nate, do you need lube when you’re fucking your mom?
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 2:18 PM CDT reply actions
As bad as they’ve both played. (Pick 6 – Ash, Fumble 6 – McCoy)
I like Ash better.
by TXPride on Oct 8, 2011 2:19 PM CDT reply actions
It looks to me like Ash is somewhat separatimg himself today.
by 2xHorn on Oct 8, 2011 2:19 PM CDT reply actions
Mike you pussy, go wag your mouth at the players or even the younger coaches and see what happens to your troll ass.
by Daniel on Oct 8, 2011 2:20 PM CDT reply actions
Nate,
That last one is easy when the opposing QBs summon Bob Griese in the 1972 Super Bowl every time they see an ounce of pressure.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 2:20 PM CDT reply actions
Both Ash and McCoy have played horribly. I’m just curious as to why Case is taking the brunt of it?
Neither can hold onto the ball, neither can read the blitz, and both are making bad throws.
by Secret Squirrel on Oct 8, 2011 2:21 PM CDT reply actions
Nate,
I guess the next time OU embarrasses itself (and that probably happens this season), we should jump on your board and act like a classless troll?
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 2:21 PM CDT reply actions
The worst part is that we’re the ones paying Landry’s mother’s (social security) salary.
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 2:22 PM CDT reply actions
I knew playing OU and OSU in consecutive weeks would be tough and likely end 0-2. But at this point getting murdered like this in this game is going to make next week that much more important and could lead to ruining the whole season. Mack’s definitely got his work cut out for him next week.
by Johnnymac on Oct 8, 2011 2:22 PM CDT reply actions
Mike,
If you don’t want to be called a troll – stop acting like one.
That is all.
by Palmettohorn on Oct 8, 2011 2:22 PM CDT reply actions
Gary, the incoming class might not be any better than the last 5 or 6. They were all rated high even by BC. You don’t have to pay to be misled about incoming talent. Only time will tell if the newbies are truly talented enough to play with the big boys. There are no sure things when it comes recruiting at Texas these days.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 2:22 PM CDT reply actions
And Brandon Williams shows you how big of a difference inexperience can make.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 2:22 PM CDT reply actions
Daniel, whatever would happen to my “troll ass” could not possibly be as bad as what Oklahoma has done to Texas’ asses!
by Mike W on Oct 8, 2011 2:24 PM CDT reply actions
Just laughed out loud at the picture of Landry proposing.
How redneck can you get? Cut out letters on a fence in the backyard, and she’s wearing a mu-mu?
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 2:25 PM CDT reply actions
hey flash how good are most talented players when they’re freshman and sophs? especially at important positions? dbs, qbs, wr?
by mattdubya on Oct 8, 2011 2:25 PM CDT reply actions
I remember Jesus telling us we have the best front 7 on d in the conference. I’m ready to go atheist. They are all average at best. We are just not very good.
by HorninHouston on Oct 8, 2011 2:25 PM CDT reply actions
Flash,
I don’t ever look at recruiting rankings. It just seems like we’re focusing on getting more physical players on offense now from watching highlights and such and there’s a real focus on finding the right lineman.
But you’re right, we don’t know until they get here.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 2:25 PM CDT reply actions
How is it that more than half the team is frosh and soph?
by TDiddle on Oct 8, 2011 2:25 PM CDT reply actions
HorninHouston,
Our front 4 have had a solid day. Just seems we spent most of the week in practice focused on trying to stop the run.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 2:27 PM CDT reply actions
I hear what you’re saying, but I think that this game could just as easily be a positive going into next week, depending on our coaching staff. We all know how it would go in the past. Now we get to see if all this “new attitude” talk by our revamped staff is the real deal. I think (hope) it is.
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 2:27 PM CDT reply actions
Just think- we pay Mack Brown millions of dollars a year to get our team humiliated by OU more years than not. They’re working on their 9th conference title. We’ll be lucky to get 3 under Mack.
by Mitchell on Oct 8, 2011 2:27 PM CDT reply actions
Just misread “Chuck Neinas replaced Dan Bebee . . .” as “Chuck Norris replaced Dan Bebee . . .”
Almost got excited about the Big XII.
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 2:28 PM CDT reply actions
Do we stay in the Top 25 after this performance, yes or no?
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 2:28 PM CDT reply actions
Wow Tx really stinking it up today. OSU next week…..
by Longhorn NY on Oct 8, 2011 2:28 PM CDT reply actions
I don’t think recruiting has anything to do with it. Dom Whaley is not more physically talented than any RB at Texas. The problem is coaching and preparation. Especially on the Oline. Maybe the guys at Georgia were right about Searels. They are so lost out there. Picking up blitzes is all about awareness and preparation. Of which the Texas line has shown 0.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 2:29 PM CDT reply actions
Is Espinosa doing the same head-bob thing that Florida’s center got in trouble for a year or two ago?
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 2:30 PM CDT reply actions
At least most folks recognize this as a “young” team
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 2:31 PM CDT reply actions
Monahorns,
Our OLine recruiting has been putrid in the last 4-5 years. As stated a number of times, this current edition is ramshackle at best.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 2:31 PM CDT reply actions
mattdubya, why are we playing freshmen and sophomores? Why are so many of our upper classmen sitting on the bench or laying on their backs?
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 2:33 PM CDT reply actions
Absolutely insane to think that a half-dozen new coaches are going to magically transform the talent that is already on the team when they get there. The coaches can only work with what they have, and what they have on the OL isn’t that great.
by Daniel on Oct 8, 2011 2:34 PM CDT reply actions
I don’t think we can blame Searels for everything: we’ve recruited terribly on O-Line. He’s got nothing to work with.
Does Texas (the state, not the school) generally produce poor o-line prospects? Or do we just go for the poor ones? What happened to guys like Dockery, Scott, and Studdard?
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 2:34 PM CDT reply actions
Yes Garry, but Trey Allen, Mason Walters, David Snow, Trey Hopkins, Paden Kelly are all very talented physically. Their problem is coaching. They don’t play with any sign of awareness or preparedness.
Texas is still playing though. Hats off to Christian Scott and all of them.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 2:35 PM CDT reply actions
Can anyone explain these blowouts? 2000, 2003, and now this nightmare? I understand we are a young team and we are overwhelmed, but I just dont understand how we can be run out of the stadium like this and dominated in-conference by a team that has comparable resources and talent (face it, our resources are better). Is the whole “asshole coach” thing real? OU is going to win the Big 12 again, that’s 8 to 2 for Mack. I find that extraordinary. No seriously, I am actually fascinated by it.
by Catfish Jackson on Oct 8, 2011 2:35 PM CDT reply actions
Brandon W just got his dreads straightened.
by Palmettohorn on Oct 8, 2011 2:35 PM CDT reply actions
that’s not the question, flash. tell me when or where, outside of dudes being total freaks, are frosh and sophs good enough for high end college football at those positions?
and to your other point…i think we can all agree that’s a fair assessment. think the guys who are young right now are going to be much better than what’s ahead of them age wise. that has alot to do with the new staff playing who is best/wants it more/etc
by mattdubya on Oct 8, 2011 2:36 PM CDT reply actions
I could care less about these rivalry games than most fans … they’re toxic. I do like those McCoy and Shipley boys, though.
by seven costanza on Oct 8, 2011 2:36 PM CDT reply actions
I still don’t think recruiting is it. There have been misses like at every position and every school. But the issue isn’t getting physically whipped or lack of movement. The problem is mental mistakes.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 2:37 PM CDT reply actions
Monahorns,
Allen has shown to not be quite worth his billing. Walters, Hopkins, and Kelly are still young. Give them a year before you start complaining.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 2:37 PM CDT reply actions
“very good call” means a lot coming from Musberger with his .16 BAC
by rawaustin on Oct 8, 2011 2:37 PM CDT reply actions
Garry speaks truth. Its gonna take some time to get past our godawful offensive recruiting and coaching on the line.
by 2xHorn on Oct 8, 2011 2:38 PM CDT reply actions
Catfish, don’t you think it has to be coaching? Freshmen is not the answer to 55-17, and to 60is-10ish games. It is some how inherent within the matchup between Mack’s program and Stoop’s program.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 2:40 PM CDT reply actions
Monahorns,
Again, I don’t remember where the list is that someone has posted numerous times here, but our recruiting fails at offensive line in the last half-decade have been nothing short of monumental. McWhorter did a godawful job.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 2:41 PM CDT reply actions
We’ll know we’ve been sent to Hell when we just get settled into an armchair with a t.v. remote and we hear Brent’s voice saying “Pardner, I’ll be calling your afterlife from beautiful Hades. Herbie, how do you like that temperature?!”
by parlin on Oct 8, 2011 2:41 PM CDT reply actions
I really don’t see, at this point, whether Mack Brown’s disposition really matters.
He’s a manager. He relies on his coordinators to do the heavy work. Especially now that he seems to have backed off even more.
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 2:42 PM CDT reply actions
Big part of it is ou is pretty fucking good. OSU has the tools on offense but neither the coaching nor the mojo to buttfuck us like this.
by 2xHorn on Oct 8, 2011 2:42 PM CDT reply actions
Best guess at what Bob Stoops said to Mack Brown at mid-field there.
Go.
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 2:43 PM CDT reply actions
Those who would doubt Garry need only witness our final offensive play.
by Palmettohorn on Oct 8, 2011 2:45 PM CDT reply actions
2x,
So few want to acknowledge the fact that OU might actually be a really good team. +1
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 2:45 PM CDT reply actions
Monahorn,
Without question, coaching. Maybe I shouldnt overthink it. Getting our shit pushed in by OU is just old and stale, really, and watching these tools run around with the upside-down horns wears me thin. I’ve been in Afghanistan since Christmas and this is the ugliest thing I’ve seen since then.
by Catfish Jackson on Oct 8, 2011 2:46 PM CDT reply actions
2x … I suspect OU would get the shit kicked out of them by Alabama or LSU. OU has shot their wad, and will lose in whatever BCS bowl come January.
by seven costanza on Oct 8, 2011 2:46 PM CDT reply actions
QB, OL, DB – the triad of terror for the Horns today. I hope time and better recruiting ameliorates our current ineptitude there.
And Searels as our OL hire last year…dunno, really not feeling comfortable we got the right guy there.
Anyone else feeling that??? I’m just not feeling it…
by Spaceghost on Oct 8, 2011 2:48 PM CDT reply actions
seven constanza,
Your statement says almost nothing. This LSU team may be one of the best teams of this millennium thus far.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 2:48 PM CDT reply actions
I get no pleasure or pain from anything that has to do with the state of oklahoma. Yeah, we got the crap kicked out of us … but I didn’t attend OU … I attended UT and got to live in Austin for 10+ years. Not bad. Texas will get better.
by seven costanza on Oct 8, 2011 2:49 PM CDT reply actions
Not really wishing for on the field injuries of opponents, but wishing that Stoops stupidity because of his envy for the University of Texas resources would get exposed.
All it took was for Jones to get injured up 38pts and put a real damp on their season. Have no issue with backups throwing passes—-we should stop it.
But leaving your starting QB in to just run up the score is DUMB.
by Willow01 on Oct 8, 2011 2:50 PM CDT reply actions
raw … I speak english, and don’t know the first thing about that *izzle shit.
by seven costanza on Oct 8, 2011 2:50 PM CDT reply actions
Takes more than 9 months for S&C to really make a difference at this level. Esp. When there was no S&C.
by lonesome devil on Oct 8, 2011 2:53 PM CDT reply actions
Seven,
Prolly so, both. Bama wins for sure.
Stoops can out coach the hat and has roughly equal talent.
Has neither on Saban.
by Palmettohorn on Oct 8, 2011 2:54 PM CDT reply actions
RT @Bill_Byrne: Someone vandalized our buses in Lubbock. Excrement inside/outside buses plus spray painted vulgarities on outside. Classy.
Good grief Techsters. Wonder if it was bat excrement.
by ultralight on Oct 8, 2011 2:54 PM CDT reply actions
Really, I’m just happy that most of you guys have kept fairly cool heads about this ordeal.
As a diehard Longhorn, this was torturous, but it’s important to see where we can improve, hope the coaches and players recognize it and follow along as the season progresses.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 2:56 PM CDT reply actions
ultralight,
I’ve often joked about Lubbock being a shitty town, but never in my wildest dreams did I think they would take it so literally.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 2:58 PM CDT reply actions
I knew every play that was going to be a pass. Texas Qbs check wrist band every pass play. Think ou cant see this?
by MONTY on Oct 8, 2011 2:59 PM CDT reply actions
Mental? I guess Mack should hire a staff psychiatrist?
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 2:59 PM CDT reply actions
seven costanza:
I bet you suspected this would be a close game, too. Way too early to say stupid shit like “OU has blown their wad.” After OU treks up to K-State, then let’s talk about whether or not OU shot its wad.
by NateHeupel on Oct 8, 2011 3:00 PM CDT reply actions
I am going to be stubborn on this Oline recruiting thing. I don’t think we have great line talent. But I think we have good talent that doesn’t know what in the hell to do. I think a less physically talented line with intelligence, mental toughness, and preparation does much much better. I even believe that Stoops gets the same result today with Texas’ line. He’s just a better coach.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 3:02 PM CDT reply actions
Monahorns,
I take no issue with your opinion. I just wish you’d keep quiet on it until you have at least a full season’s worth of data on the subject.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 3:05 PM CDT reply actions
The only place I see a “talent deficit” is the O-line. The rest of the kids have plenty talent, just no experience. As hard as it was to watch, if these coaches are as good as we hope they are a lot will be learned from this beat down. I hope to god these kids don’t have a fraction of the quit the majority of you pussies on this board have.
by AZHorn on Oct 8, 2011 3:06 PM CDT reply actions
Harsin went GD on us in the red zone a few times, forgot what a run is. those turn overs were more like taking candy from a baby. this group will turn the tables in a year or so.
by MONTY on Oct 8, 2011 3:07 PM CDT reply actions
Well, this was a tough pill to swallow. The team can go one of two directions now, let’s hope it is up. This is actually similar to the KState game from last year.
4th massive blowout in the Stoops vs. Brown era, and we have been on the wrong end of three of them. I just hope this doesn’t break our QBs like we have seen in the past, and that our team can somehow respond next weekend against another Top 10 team.
Coaches? Recruiting? Execution? It’s a mix of all three. This is a very good OU team, but they are not 30+ points better than this Texas team.
We played a good first quarter, but our offense could not hang long enough to make it a game. Turnovers by both QBs led to this disaster, and it’s time to pick a QB. I’ll throw my hat in the ring for Ash.
I’ll be wearing my orange to work on Monday, how about you?
Hook ’em!
by uthookem on Oct 8, 2011 3:11 PM CDT reply actions
Biggest problem with today was that while youth was a problem with turnovers, etc, our biggest issue is with the Offensive line where there is limited youth.
While the young QBs and skill guys made mistakes, they didn’t have a damn chance with Sooners in the backfield on every damn play.
We’ve got big problems up front that aren’t going away.
by Willow01 on Oct 8, 2011 3:11 PM CDT reply actions
Garry, I be quiet about Oline coaching if you will be quiet about Oline recruiting. Deal?
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 3:14 PM CDT reply actions
36 freshman and sophs playing in this game. age and experience make a world of difference. Anybody here think we would go undefeated this year?
by MONTY on Oct 8, 2011 3:16 PM CDT reply actions
Monahorns,
It wasn’t meant to be an insult, however my argument is based on the simple facts of recent history whereas yours is completely nebulous five games into the season and an entirely new staff.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 3:16 PM CDT reply actions
If you knew the play before the ball was snapped you would be in the backfield too.
by MONTY on Oct 8, 2011 3:18 PM CDT reply actions
No one expected to go undefeated, but I don’t think we expected a bloodbath either.
by uthookem on Oct 8, 2011 3:18 PM CDT reply actions
nate, it’s not stupid to rely on past experience … OU shits their pants in BCS games. Spin it like you want, big boy
by seven costanza on Oct 8, 2011 3:21 PM CDT reply actions
seven constanza,
I realize it’s tough to lose with grace, but we’re hardly in a position to talk down to Sooners after today.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 3:23 PM CDT reply actions
also, Nate, thinking this game would be close was best case scenario and wishful thinking … today was a reality check for everyone.
by seven costanza on Oct 8, 2011 3:23 PM CDT reply actions
RS,
I’d take Malcolm Brown over Whaley easily. Imagine if he had been OU’s running back today.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 3:24 PM CDT reply actions
On the bright side LSU might beat UF worse in their game.
by Davey O'Brien on Oct 8, 2011 3:24 PM CDT reply actions
Garry, I never stayed in Oklahoma for more than a couple of days, so yeah, I can talk down to sooner. Football is great, but being a fan is hardly the pinnacle of my life.
by seven costanza on Oct 8, 2011 3:25 PM CDT reply actions
Get a grip, RS. We have great talent. Our kids are the best in the whole nation. If only we had decent coaches we would be world beaters.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 3:25 PM CDT reply actions
seven costanza,
While I can reciprocate the sentiment regarding OU and the state of Oklahoma, your smack is very weak on a day like today.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 3:29 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah, I don’t think any more-than-casual Texas fan expected to go undefeated this year.
But that doesn’t mean that we expected to let OU put up 55 while our offense barely managed 10 points.
by Jabba T. Hug on Oct 8, 2011 3:30 PM CDT reply actions
Texassucksbutt,
Why on earth are you sticking your dick in the fridge? Have the herpes flared up that much?
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 3:32 PM CDT reply actions
We don’t know whether OU is that good or UT is that bad. Recent history is that OU sucks in bcs bowl games. We’ll see how good they turn out to be.
As far as trash talking to sooner trolls, the classy thing is for them to stay on their own boards. Only an asshole goes over to another school’s web site to rub it in after his school wins. No horns are in a mood to hear their shit.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 3:34 PM CDT reply actions
We’re a young team and are youth was served. Our qb’s
‘s and db’s did not play well; that’s the main reason we lost. Credit OU they played to their ranking and we did not. Don’t have anything against Mack, but he kind of a pussy that does not have a killer instinct. What’s the solution? Time, as our young players develop and gain experience.
by rolandv on Oct 8, 2011 3:36 PM CDT reply actions
Yawn. Not surprising given all of the youngsters starting for UT. This team will win 10 games and will likely give OU all they want and more in 2012. The blocking was fine by the way, OU wa forced to run blitz on almost every down and could get away with it with out young QBs. One more year with Harsin and OU will get beat.
by Walker on Oct 8, 2011 3:37 PM CDT reply actions
Again, Garry, it’s not smack. I have a great family and a job that I like … being a fan is not at the top of my list of things that give me true pleasure. Yeah, it sucks to see Texas stink it up worse than one of my little daughter’s pooped-up diaper, but I didn’t play the game. I still like the coaches and kids who DID play the game. If you don’t like my perspective, that’s fine.
by seven costanza on Oct 8, 2011 3:37 PM CDT reply actions
I don’t know what you read Ransom, but what I said was other than the O-line, we have talent. It’s just really, really raw. Lack of experience killed us today, period. That includes our coordinators as well as our freshmen and sophomores. We were out-coached and beaten by a better team. OU recruits the same guys we do, so to claim they have some overwhelming talent advantage is just a dumbass thing to say…not that anyone expects anything different from you.
by AZHorn on Oct 8, 2011 3:38 PM CDT reply actions
seven costanza,
Telling me you “have a great family and a job that you like” leads me to believe that it is probably anything but…
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 3:39 PM CDT reply actions
Bill_Byrne Bill Byrne
@
@DaveNelAgDuck Highway Patrol has pictures and Lubbock police were contacted. Drivers cleaned buses. Bus 3 still reeks.
Maybe they can do DNA testing.
by ultralight on Oct 8, 2011 3:39 PM CDT reply actions
Some perspective: In Vince Young’s freshman season, OU beat Texas 65-13. In Vince Young’s sophomore season, OU shut out Texas 12-0. In Vince Young’s junior year, Texas beat OU 45-10 and won the national championship. This team is going to have growing pains, but things can turn around quickly. Our coaching staff is better than what we had in 2003.
by maroon carrots on Oct 8, 2011 3:40 PM CDT reply actions
ultralight,
How do they intend to arrest all of those bats? WHY IS BILL BYRNE EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT PUBLICLY?!
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 3:41 PM CDT reply actions
you see, Garry, you really don’t know shit, and if you need to throw out a few insults to feel better about yourself, have at it. Don’t worry, you have tomorrow and the NFL to feel good about yourself. :-)
by seven costanza on Oct 8, 2011 3:42 PM CDT reply actions
We were beat fair and square. Experience destroyed youth today. Our O-Line could only hold on so long with schemes to cover up for deficiancy. No pressure by the D-Line allowed Jones to sit back all day and throw. Poor mental mistakes by our QBs cost us a lot as well. It happens with a young team people. We have all the talent in the world that just needs to develop into skill players…relax. Anybody in their right mind did not expect a win or a super close game…too many thin lines with bad outcomes to not cross with mistakes.
What I like about today is it didn’t seem like the whole team gave up. Especially the defense. They kept pushing and fighting. Unlike last year.
by STLaw on Oct 8, 2011 3:43 PM CDT reply actions
OU blew up every trick play we tried. Combine that with the sacks and we had 117 yds in lost rushing yards.
by ultralight on Oct 8, 2011 3:45 PM CDT reply actions
No Ransom, you simple fuck, they don’t. They have an experience advantage. How about you shut the fuck up for a year or two and come back and tell us how horrible our talent is after they’ve had a season or two to learn. I have no idea how you see your computer screen with your head so far up your ass.
by AZHorn on Oct 8, 2011 3:45 PM CDT reply actions
Did not see the wild foz much (at all?) today. It would have been a big help running the ball.
Losing is one thing but losing 55 to 17 is another. Horns fans have a right to be furious and that anger is going to end up being directed at Mack. We were terrible last year so fans are not going to be real tolerant.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 3:46 PM CDT reply actions
That game was an epic disaster. We got our asses kicked. OU played us perfectly. Stack the line and force throws from our QBs. Attack our corners and deep middle on O. We are one dimensional on each side of the ball, and they schooled with better execution and skill.
The coaches have a few days to try and salvage this mess or the season is going to get very ugly.
RS, you are 100% right. OSU can score points. The question is, can we?
by Longhorn NY on Oct 8, 2011 3:53 PM CDT reply actions
seven costanza,
What on earth could you have taken away from what I posted as an insult? Are you that sensitive?
And what is going on tomorrow that I will feel good about? It certainly won’t be the NFL, because I really don’t care about that two-toed foot of a league.
Also, I think I side with Larry David regarding emoticons.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 3:57 PM CDT reply actions
I have the feeling Harsin probably had a few more tricks than he showed but when it got out of hand early, why not save them for further down the line when they might affect winning and losing instead of just making a blowout score more respectable.
And how much of the line’s problems would have been minimized if McCoy/Ash were experienced enough to check out of some bad plays?
Horns bounced back the following week after blowouts to OU in 2000 and 2003 . . . wonder if they can do it again?
by Cirque du Salado on Oct 8, 2011 3:57 PM CDT reply actions
Kafka, I have to agree with you. I will never be happy with a loss, but if we would have played as well as, dare I say it, last year, I would feel much better. 28-20>>>> 55-17. 55-17 is indicative of a coaching staff not having any idea about what they are doing gameplan wise and not knowing their team at all.
The bad thing is I think I started to see this during the 2nd half of the ISU game. We didn’t finish ISU off and pretty much sleep walked into the Cotton Bowl. Before the game, the announcers were saying that OU was excited, pumped, going berserk about playing this game while Texas was… calm. At the time I thought that meant quiet confidence, but I think the announcers were right, naivety.
I think lack of experience loses the game for us today. But I think bad coaching caused 55-17.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 3:58 PM CDT reply actions
AZHorn
OU clearly has more “talent” than UT. It’s not debatable. There was nothing remotely even about that contest from the get-go.
55-17.
And yes, “next year” it will be different.
by Longhorn NY on Oct 8, 2011 4:01 PM CDT reply actions
What irritates me the most is that we have seen this same scene many times over the years: Texas QB standing in the pocket while the OU rush produces a turnover. We know that typically our OL cannot maintain a pocket vs the OU rush. Every now and then but mostly not. Why not roll out the QB much more to present a moving target? Why not get rid of the ball super quickly? Why not run more of those screens with the OL blockers split out by the screen target?
One somewhat bright side is that Ash throws pretty accurately.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 4:05 PM CDT reply actions
Mack brown has zero self respect. He needs to GTFO yesterday
by Mysterious Package on Oct 8, 2011 4:08 PM CDT reply actions
AZHorn,
Sure we have young players on our team. Every team has young players. The damning question is why are we playing young players when blowu is playing older, more talented players?
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 4:27 PM CDT reply actions
Oh dear heavens. I didn’t even read this thread – I just scanned to see if Scip, Vash, Trips, or JS had posted anything.
I don’t think the Texas coaches expected the execution to break down the way it did, but beyond that, some of you guys just need to grow a pair.
We got killed by youth and inexperience, and a lack of talent at some spots where the old staff took a nap in recruiting. This loss sucks, but it wasn’t really all that unexpected. It will go a long way to growing this team up and getting them experience if they respond well next week. I’m not saying we even need to win next week. But they need to execute better and not give up. Just keep improving and don’t let this loss ruin the rest of the season.
We have the talent in the program, it just hasn’t caught up with the expectations yet because it is still so raw. Thankfully, we now have the coaches on hand to properly develop the talent. So calm down, all of you. Stop acting like aggies.
by Sasha is a Longhorn Dog on Oct 8, 2011 4:32 PM CDT reply actions
We got our asses handed to us by the best team in the country, after going 5-7 last year. What did you realistically expect, especially starting McAsh at QB? This team will only get better. It isnt like we were gonna play in the BCS title game, and we were overrated at 11. Now let’s go try and beat OSU next week.
by Sejjr on Oct 8, 2011 4:34 PM CDT reply actions
The damning question is why are we playing young players when blowu is playing older, more talented players?
We already answered that question with the massive changes in the coaching staff — to expect it to be rectified before they have a chance to bring in at least two classes is not reasonable.
by srr50 on Oct 8, 2011 4:34 PM CDT reply actions
Every trick play was blown up in the backfield by a blitz. On one, McCoy failed to block the defender trailing the wr he pitched the ball to.
by Major Applesauce in DC on Oct 8, 2011 4:34 PM CDT reply actions
Sasha is my favorite poster. Well said ma’am.
by BurntOrangeAtlanta on Oct 8, 2011 4:40 PM CDT reply actions
There are too many excuses being made. OU was simply better. We got no pressure on Jones, overplayed screens and got killed, and then adjusted too predictably and left our corners on islands against bigger, talented receivers.
Harsin called a bad game. It happens. We were very predictable on offense and didn’t help ourselves by being sloppy with the ball. The o-line got whipped every down and we never figured out how to change that. If we cannot run the ball then we are dead. Out receivers aren’t that good and neither are out QBs.
This was a tough loss. It’s 85 percent on the offense. There was nothing magical about the play calling and game planning. Again, like every year, we were fundamentally outcoached. I’m tired of that happening every year.
The one MVP was Foswhit, who may be playing himself into the NFL. Otherwise, no one acquitted themselves well today.
I would love to hear some thoughts on this, but to me we were dead once we fell behind by two scores. We simply cannot throw the ball and neither Davis nor Shipley is good enough to get open against good corners. We have got to find a play making receiver to go with our route runners. Maybe next year.
by Toadvine on Oct 8, 2011 4:41 PM CDT reply actions
Completely agree with Sasha. I thought if we could split the 2 Okie games, I would be ecstatic. Losing like this to the irritating sooners is a tough pill to swallow, but come on.
by Sejjr on Oct 8, 2011 4:45 PM CDT reply actions
Monahorns said:
“I think lack of experience loses the game for us today. But I think bad coaching caused 55-17.”
Yes, I could see us losing decisively by two TDs, but to be blown out was surprising. Mizzou hung with OU for a half, and FSU was still even with them in the 4th quarter. If I’m not mistaken Mizzou is starting a new QB this year. The blowout loss was not exactly a random, isolated event – 25% of the time Mack has faced Stoops, the result has been a lopsided loss to the Sooners.
Historically, we’ve played well after losses to OU – even after the routs. It’s as if the coaches start saying: “OK, now we know what we need to fix, so let’s do it.” This seems to be a very empirical approach to coaching. We assume that certain problems don’t exist, or , at least, don’t need to be addressed, until we observe them directly on the field.
by jmanh on Oct 8, 2011 4:45 PM CDT reply actions
All of JS’ Asset and Big Cigar reports had me believing we would at least have a decent chance in this game. Too much kool-aid me thinks?
by Major Applesauce in DC on Oct 8, 2011 4:46 PM CDT reply actions
Well said (barked), Sasha.
The fact that our team was able to enter the RRS 4-0 and that we entertained real thoughts of upsetting OU today is partially a testimony to how far the team has already come, and partially a testimony to how overinflated our expectations can become as Longhorn fans. I hate that we served the Sooners 5 turnovers on platters, giving them quick/cheap touchdowns that blew open what could have been a real battle.
by PoofyBevo on Oct 8, 2011 4:46 PM CDT reply actions
Name a single player on Texas starting team you would take over the same ou position. You cannot, in all honesty. Some of us have been saying that for months now.
M. Brown (yes I know their back had the big run after it was well over but I still like Brown better than gritty walk-on dude); Espinoza over their makeshift C, Vaccaro over Harris (still), Randall, obviously, Keenan Robinson depending on which LB we’re referring too as his true counterpart. Otherwise, that’s it for this year’s edition.
by Arriviste on Oct 8, 2011 4:47 PM CDT reply actions
And in fairness to Harsin, it’s pretty tough to scheme around the problem spots we have. If teams force us to throw then we are going to struggle a lot. I am kind of at a loss – we so not block well and our receivers struggle Physically against athletic secondaries. Couple those issues with young QBs, who are running for their lives while trying to throw in tight windows an you get a lot of turnovers.
We wont play a better defense, though.
by Toadvine on Oct 8, 2011 4:47 PM CDT reply actions
srr50, I agree. And it is nice to see a blogger tell us that the talent is as much a problem as the previous coaches. Will our new coaches be given 2 or 3 years to bring in their own players? I personally doubt it.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 4:49 PM CDT reply actions
Longhorn NY – how will it be different next year if we are so overmatched talent-wise? You’re still confusing talent with experience. The one area I think we were at a talent disadvantage is O-line, new guys coming in next year aren’t going to change that, only experience as a unit will. Get your head out of Ransom’s ass and you might be able to see the difference between the two.
Flash – where the fuck have you been the last 6 years? And what team have you been following?
by AZHorn on Oct 8, 2011 4:52 PM CDT reply actions
quigley said:
October 5th, 2011 at 3:37 am
I’m not sure OU’s defense doesn’t hold a down-to-down advantage on this UT offense. OU will give up points, but they will be off the ~ 4 busted assignments/manufactured plays Harsin generates. I can’t see too many 12 play drives from the Horns.
This is not that unexpected. Computer estimates predicted a ~ 20 OU win. They were off a bit. UT’s OL was really not tested prior to today, we learned, but it comprised largely of underclassmen. At the end of the year, this group will be more organized.
UT will lose to OSU (40-24ish), and go into its season-defining stretch of @ Mizzou, KSU, A&M, Baylor 6-2. Take 2 or 3 of those games and a “bounce-back” season of 8-4 and 9-3 isn’t shabby.
by quigley on Oct 8, 2011 4:52 PM CDT reply actions
“to expect it to be rectified before they have a chance to bring in at least two classes is not reasonable”
Mack is 60 years old, went 5 and 7 last year, makes $5 million/year heading up a program that grosses $100 million/year. Programs can go south fast. It is unlikely that the powers that be are willing to wait for two more recruiting classes to be signed before the program is back on track.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 4:53 PM CDT reply actions
I too read about all the secret redacted plays we would pull out, and probably started to believe it as well. Fact is, our best QB, RB, WR, and CB are true freshmen, and all were absued today. We went 5-7 last year and still have a pretty mediocre O Line. The 2QB system ran out of steam and bit us today, as many people feared might happen. Next up – Okie Lite.
by Sejjr on Oct 8, 2011 4:55 PM CDT reply actions
31 points scored of our turnovers. No way a team wins giving up a pick 6, fumble 6, and short fields.
by Major Applesauce in DC on Oct 8, 2011 4:56 PM CDT reply actions
Baylor’s offensive line is better than UT’s.
All other criticisms must bow before that one.
by MaduroUTMB on Oct 8, 2011 4:59 PM CDT reply actions
+1 to Sasha….it happens people. Time to prepare for OSU. We are still very young with tons of upside. Ease up and move on.
by STLaw on Oct 8, 2011 5:03 PM CDT reply actions
Why do we let wrs run routes untouched? Our wrs are always getting jammed at the LOS.
by Major Applesauce in DC on Oct 8, 2011 5:04 PM CDT reply actions
AZHorn, for the past 6 years I have been following at team that consistently won 10+ games until last year and had not been blown out by blowu in almost a decade. Thanks for asking.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 5:06 PM CDT reply actions
I don’t think Mack has ever had that fire-in-the-belly, win-at-any-cost approach that we see north of the Red River or in Coach Boom for that matter. If losing affects him like it does many of the other top coaches, I don’t see it. That is why 10-win seasons have been so satisfying to him. This lethargic satisfaction coupled with his blind loyalty to Greg Davis is what led us to 5-7. Folks, as much as we would like to revel in 2005, we have never really arrived.
I must say that Macks coaching shuffle is exactly what our program needed. However, it is yet to be seen if it is too little too late. It is still possible that the only way to save the patient is to decapitate it.
We must have a fire in the belly head coach to instill an institutional mindset of swagger and reckless abandon. During the Brown-Stoops era, regardless of the teams’ rankings, I cant remember when OU has not had the mental edge. If Mack doesn’t have it in him to capture and bottle the mental edge juice, he will be remembered along with Phil Fulmer, not the greats.
by Zzzizzzy on Oct 8, 2011 5:12 PM CDT reply actions
Texas fans getting irate when the horns perform horribly is a positive thing. The outraged response to last season helped force necessary coaching changes so it served a purpose. Complacent fans who accept poor performance aren’t doing the program any favors. It was pointed out earlier that OU scored 31 points on turnovers. That is execrable and should not be tolerated.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 5:19 PM CDT reply actions
It is unlikely that the powers that be are willing to wait for two more recruiting classes to be signed before the program is back on track.
Well if this team goes 5-7 of course not, but I that is as unreasonable as expecting everything to be already fixed.
When I say 2 recruiting classes I’m talking about having an elite program year-in-year-out. What we saw today was a team with glaring physicaly deficiencies in some spots, and talented youngsters in other. The incoming recruiting class will compliment this group, and we have emperical evidence that this coaching staff has a plan as to how to maximize that talent.
This team is better than when it took the field against Rice and it will improve from today until they take the field against A&M.
by srr50 on Oct 8, 2011 5:22 PM CDT reply actions
I do think the team is better now than it was against Rice. It is frustating to see the same deficiencies as last year in terms of immediate talent (there is more potential with this year’s group). It’s unreal how bad our OL is. And our WRs and TEs. Shocking, really.
by Toadvine on Oct 8, 2011 5:28 PM CDT reply actions
This was case of mostly boys vs men.
OU will in all likely face LSU or Alabama for the title.
We saw this coming and had a fools hopes against it.
The last two games we were the benificiaries of everything going wrong for the other side.
Today that all shifted.
This team will be great in a year or two.
Today we got schooled….and it no doubt made an impression on them they will never forget.
Next week could be similar, I hope not.
It’s all about the learning curve.
by coyote on Oct 8, 2011 5:40 PM CDT reply actions
We played poorly in every facet of this game. But that being said, it was incredible to see the stark contrast between OU’s perfectly protected pocket and our collapsing pocket on nearly every single play. It all starts and ends with our O-line. We have not had a solid line that could protect the QB or open up holes for the RBs since 2006. When you watch teams like OU, Alabama, Wisconsin, etc you realize how shockingly large the disparity in skill truly is. This is a problem that can’t be fixed short term. We should all adjust our expectations accordingly.
Case looked horrible. Ash, though he didn’t play great, should be getting the starting nod from here on out based on the athleticism gap. Harsin needs to get Goodwin, Brown, Whitaker, and Monroe involved in a lot of slants, screens, option pitches, and outside runs. Anything that is designed to exploit space and move things upfield quickly, because the line sure as hell isn’t creating space in the middle. Maybe the middle even starts to open up if we pound the outside. I’m not sure what the offensive gameplan was for this game, but it was perplexing to say the least. Tricks don’t work when you aren’t creating consistent offense that coaxes the defense into rote pattern matching. We have much work to do on offense.
On defense, our corners and safeties were embarrassed. Guys were giving way too much space, taking bad angles (Gideon should be benched for how often he blew over the top coverage), and tackling poorly. But we have athletes out there and I don’t see how we can play this badly again. I feel the defense is quite fixable and hopefully this is their wake up call.
by 4thn5 on Oct 8, 2011 5:41 PM CDT reply actions
chalk this up to a growing experience and move on. If anything, this showed how valuable an offensive line is to winning period. If it’s not dominant, don’t expect misdirection or smoke and mirrors to compensate. Own the LOS, and you can win the game anywhere against anybody.
by kemit on Oct 8, 2011 5:46 PM CDT reply actions
I am surprised that there is very little chatter about the Case vs Ash debate on here. It’s clear to me that Ash is QB1 and Case should be the back up.
Unfortunately, it took David three and a half quarters to settle down and play solid football.
The most frustrating play of the game today was when I believe Case fumbled and the ball literally stood for 2 seconds between 3 of our O-linemen and not one had the field awareness to see the ball and jump on it.
The only good thing about this game is that we have another game against a top ten opponent next week. Not much time to dwell on the negative.
by ryan on Oct 8, 2011 5:49 PM CDT reply actions
The performance today was terrible. I can accept losses, what is unacceptable is 31 points on turnovers. It is healthy to vigorously criticize the team’s performance when it is terrible, it shows that we care and are paying attention. Historically, UT can get a bit complacent. A fanbase that is loud and clear when the horns look like they are poorly coached is not a bad thing, it is a good thing.
Strategically, I have serious doubts about the bend don’t break philosophy when playing a very competent offense.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 5:49 PM CDT reply actions
The defense really wasn’t the big problem today. We just do not have an offense that can play from behind. And when the offense keeps turning the ball over and directly giving up points then the defense has no chance.
by Toadvine on Oct 8, 2011 5:52 PM CDT reply actions
My problem with Diaz’ approach today was that he never dropped 8 in coverage esp between the 20s. Once OU proved early on that our base defense was not going to get to the QB and that our blitzes weren’t going to get their either, we should have put in an extra DB and gone with 3 down linemen – the same way we used to play Texas Tech.
Gideon totally offset his Iowa St performance with today’s performance
by ryan on Oct 8, 2011 5:56 PM CDT reply actions
srr50, I am underwhelmed by the class of 2011 and I have no idea how the class of 2012 will fare until I see them on game day. Here’s hoping for the best.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 5:58 PM CDT reply actions
Yep, its a rebuilding year. First year qb, first year in this offense, new coaches, 25 freshmen, against a very seasoned, well coached team. Oklahoma is better than Texas at this point. I remember Vince’s first year at qb; we were embarrassed in the Oklahoma game that year. We will definitely be better next year. We will continue to get better as this year progresses.
by staylucky on Oct 8, 2011 5:58 PM CDT reply actions
I was perplexed as well by how unhindered Broyles and Stills seemed the entire game.
I welcome the insight of the more astute but it seems you’d want to keep them honest, jam at the line or some such to throw off an immobile QB who’s bread and butter is timing and a secure pocket – both of which were in ample supply today. Or is it just the nature of the beast that you keep giving them space hoping they don’t run by you?
The best laid schemes of our inventive young coordinators goes by the wayside when the opponent dominates the line of scrimmage. That said, it seems we could’ve done more to keep boomer honest.
But then again, today, that evidently wasn’t a possibility.
by Palmettohorn on Oct 8, 2011 6:01 PM CDT reply actions
“Harsin needs to get Goodwin, Brown, Whitaker, and Monroe involved in a lot of slants, screens, option pitches, and outside runs. Anything that is designed to exploit space and move things upfield quickly, because the line sure as hell isn’t creating space in the middle.”
Agreed.
The horns need a short passing game that gets the ball into the hands of the TBs, H backs, TEs, and FBs. Scipio predicted that the horns WRs would have problems because they are not physically strong and he was right. Given that the horns down field passing game is hopeless with radical OL improvement, putting some bigger guys at WR who can contribute more to the short passing game and as blockers should be considered when playing a real good defense. The good news is that OU is the best defense the horns will play this season.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 6:03 PM CDT reply actions
srr50, I am underwhelmed by the class of 2011 and I have no idea how the class of 2012 will fare until I see them on game day.
Seriously? Based on what?
It had better not be today, because this is a game that breaks the bell curve. I have had the privilege to spend a lot of Saturdays on the floor of the Cotton Bowl and I am here to tell you there is no way for a true freshman to comprend the magnitude of this game — absolutely none. Add that they lined up against a very talented most veteran team and anyone who discounts the talentpool from the 2011 has jumped off a cliff.
by srr50 on Oct 8, 2011 6:08 PM CDT reply actions
The contrasting play of the two teams’ offensive lines is remarkable because there’s no discernible talent gap. UT’s line appears to be healthy. OU is playing (1) its LG at C, (2) its backup LG, and (3) a RT coming off a knee surgery in the spring. Yet, either one of Ronnell Lewis or Frank Alexander was in the backfield on every UT offensive play, while Okafor, Jeffcoat, and Wilson were non-factors.
Your line:
Allen – Snow – Espinosa – Walters – Hopkins (?)
Our line:
Stephenson – Good – Ikard – Evans – J. Jones
by WB Heaven on Oct 8, 2011 6:19 PM CDT reply actions
Harsin is undoubtedly going to spend the next week holding open auditions for a Division I qb, since there is not one currently on the roster.
Bullshit, but if you want to give up on a QB who was lining up to play Temple HS this time last year feel free, although I can’t understand why you are a fan of this team.
by srr50 on Oct 8, 2011 6:20 PM CDT reply actions
“with radical OL improvement” should have been: “without radical OL improvement”
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 6:22 PM CDT reply actions
No way I jumped off a cliff. I posted yesterday on some bbs if not this one that our young O would probably not be able to sleep last night. It showed today.
I honestly have no basis for evaluation other than 5 games so far. I do not go to HS games or review recruiting film like you. I have to wait to see them after they begin play for Texas.
Now you be honest, have you ever criticized our recruiting as it crashed over the past few years?
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 6:25 PM CDT reply actions
Line play. Line play. Line play. Watch the game over again. Ignore all activity and look at the line. Look at the line. That is the 2010 line all over again. You dont have a line that can keep one simple assignment you dont have a passing or running game. Let alone trick plays for a loss. Line play line play line play.
by Longonhorns on Oct 8, 2011 6:25 PM CDT reply actions
Now you be honest, have you ever criticized our recruiting as it crashed over the past few years?
No, but then neither have I praised it. I spent a lot of years following recruiting and from within and outside the program and I never bought into the recruiting services ratings. There are a few players that even my mother could look at and see that they will make it in college, and the rest have potential that may or may not be reached. My point is to dismiss players out of hand after less than half a season makes no sense whatsoever.
I see a bunch of true freshmen contributing right away and I am encouraged. You obviously aren’t. We shall see.
by srr50 on Oct 8, 2011 6:34 PM CDT reply actions
+1 on both of srr50’s last two posts. You’re an idiot Flash. The areas we are thin on talent is a result of lazy recruiting over the last six years. Not surprised you missed my point on that. This years freshman class is far from short on talent. They are short on experience , something you and several others mistake as a lack of talent. Maybe wait a fucking week or two and see what adjustments we make and if we learned anything from this game before you start deriding our players and coaches…unless you like being lumped in with dumbshits like RS.
by AZHorn on Oct 8, 2011 6:47 PM CDT reply actions
“When I say 2 recruiting classes I’m talking about having an elite program year-in-year-out. What we saw today was a team with glaring physicaly deficiencies in some spots, and talented youngsters in other. The incoming recruiting class will compliment this group, and we have emperical evidence that this coaching staff has a plan as to how to maximize that talent.”
What does it say about Mack that we are in the situation after 2005 where we should have to wait 2 years to be elite again? I hope he can change, but people usually can’t change who they are.
by Zzzizzzy on Oct 8, 2011 6:58 PM CDT reply actions
zizzy in case you haven’t been paying attention ( you haven’t, dumbfuck) alot of that was solved with getting rid of davis, kennedy, mcwhorter…who were either lazy, didn’t give a fuck, or just not good at their job esp wrt recruiting.
by mattdubya on Oct 8, 2011 7:01 PM CDT reply actions
Mattdubba, Mack was forced to make that move or lose hs own job moron. Jet because the names have changed doesn’t mean Mack has changed, and Mack must change since he sets the tone of the entire program. Mack may defy the odds and change his own mindset. Until we become the “elite” program that is not satisfied with 10-win seasons, Mack will still be Mack.
Let’s see how long Harsin & Diaz stay. Will Mack give them the reigns to change the environment or will they eventually ge enough Mack and do a Coach Boom. Neither you nor I know yet, but history is not on our side.
by Zzzizzzy on Oct 8, 2011 7:10 PM CDT reply actions
Good news is, it seems RS has found him some friends.
by Dagga Roosta on Oct 8, 2011 7:12 PM CDT reply actions
I can’t believe how many nay sayers and winers are on this thread that say they are fans.
next week at home will be a good measurement.
As a side note Florida State ranked in the preseason top 5 lost again to Wake Forrest no less and highly touted Missouri lost to K-State and last but not least Florida had only………. 7 first downs today..
Hook’Em Horns !!
by jet on Oct 8, 2011 7:17 PM CDT reply actions
srr50, I new that before I asked. I also knew you never said anything much about GD and never about GDGD. I also know you are or have been a professional sports writer. It shows.
5 games in and I cannot be sure this team can/will continue to improve. I hope you are right.
I hate that recruiting had to collapse to shake up the staff and I truly hope the new staff can turn things around quickly. I invest too much in my Longhorns to feel otherwise.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 7:17 PM CDT reply actions
All you insufferebles who are giving up on this team and staff after losing to a top 3 team because you failed to recalibrate their expectations after a couple of solid wins need to go back to Shaggy Bevo. This site used to be a place for intelligent, rational people to talk football. Thank you and good day.
by burntorangejuice on Oct 8, 2011 7:20 PM CDT reply actions
AZHorn, who (besides Jordan S) in the class fo 2011 has shown the potential to be another Cedric Benson, Colt McCoy, Casey Hampton, etc? Name by name, who really looks like they will be the backbone of a team that can beat blowu next year?
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 7:27 PM CDT reply actions
For those of you having “fun” with what happened today better enjoy it while you can cause another string of 10the win seasons is just around the corner
by jet on Oct 8, 2011 7:27 PM CDT reply actions
Calm down people. We’ll lose again next week and the 4-2 start will still be better than anticipated. Let’s hold off on the freaking out ‘til we see how this team does against the squads we’re favored against.
by UT07 on Oct 8, 2011 7:30 PM CDT reply actions
What burnt orangejuice said.
We had a puncher’s chance coming in and didn’t connect with a single haymaker (Fozzy’s return excluded)
by Cult McCoy on Oct 8, 2011 7:30 PM CDT reply actions
Wow, lots of sensitive Mary’s on here today. Bottom line: all rational football fans saw this coming. Texas is not a 10 win team this year, and is exceeding expectations by being 4-1 to date. We will likely get steamrolled again next week as well, and a good Baylor and KSU still await. There are numerous reasons for this, but the primary one is that Mack and his old, fat friends on the staff spent 2006-2009 recruiting off recruiting ‘lists’ so they could get home in time to eat a plateful of Sally’s cookies. The result is on the field now. There is not a Div I qb on the staff now because of this laziness. Will Ash or McCoy eventually become such? Perhaps. But right now they look and play like nervous high school seniors. That’s fine against poor teams like Rice and BYU but will get you killed against the big boys. The poor defense really can’t play the ’we’re young and inexperienced’ card, other than at cornerback. Some of these highly recruited guys, like our DE’s for example, just are not as good as their high school junior year ratings would suggest.
But there is hope. I don’t think Harsin, Searles, Wylie and Diaz like cookies nearly as much as Mack, MacWhorter, Davis and Mad Dog. It will turn around. The question is whether it takes 2 years or, God help us, 10.
by RS on Oct 8, 2011 7:36 PM CDT reply actions
Flash:
Cedric Benson couldn’t get on the fucking field against OU as a freshman. Colt McCoy also had a nice view from the bench as a freshman.
The idea that somehow because players didn’t perform at the level you deem acceptable as 18-year old freshman and therefore are never going to be worth anything is beyond childish.
Did you bother to really watch Malcom Brown today? I saw an 18-year old who had zero blocking, and yet kept churning and moving forward, even if it was for just a yard ( like Cedric Benson did when finally put on the field.)
I hate to say it by RS is right — people who thought we were going to go from 5-7 to 10-2 need to get a grip.
by srr50 on Oct 8, 2011 7:49 PM CDT reply actions
The only thing that people should be upset at is the coaching staff for the last few years. They rode Colts abilities to the end without any real attempt to assure some kind of quality continuity. In terms of giving players experience and quality recruiting they let this program down. That said we still have more talent than at least 80% of div 1 teams. Harsin and Diaz did a spectacular job getting us to 4-0, and this team is going to get better. You just need to show all the support our student athletes deserve. Don’t rail on them for a game they we overmatched for, and trust they will learn. The way Garret Gilbert was treated disgusts me, players need to be developed, and part of that is not getting on there backs when they make mistakes. Even if we get blown out by OSU I would like to this team get clapped off, to let them know we support them. Believe in this team and they could become a national champion, turn on them and you may destroy any hope
by Pistol on Oct 8, 2011 7:52 PM CDT reply actions
“insufferebles, nay sayers and winers, dumbfuck, aggies”
Believe it or not those harsh epithets were aimed at our fellow horn fans at each other. Kind of funny. Probably more constructive and constructive (also more demanding) to focus more on football and less on fan behavior.
Which is more fixable, the UT offense or defense? The OL problem may be limited to OU. In future games the UT OL will not be so overmatched. If the OL can run block then the play action passing will work. For sure everyone who plays us from now on in will jam the box with 8 men and force UT to pass. Surmountable problem or big problem? Everybody agree that increased emphasis on the short passing game will help work around OL inadequacies that may remain? Turnovers should be easy to improve on (two hands when in traffic, Case).
On the defensive side, there are still a few Big 12 teams we have yet to play who have outstanding offenses but not so stellar defenses. These teams have sufficiently competent defenses that the bend don’t break philosophy may not work against those teams. The Big 12 tends to be better at offense than defense. So, does Manny have to change his philosophy versus Ok State, A&M, Baylor, (anybody else?) or is he good to go? Did the defense really play that badly or was it mostly just the offensive turnovers that doomed the defense?
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 7:52 PM CDT reply actions
Dang it, srr50, I was not trying to argue with you. I was aiming for AZHorn. That said, as I recall CB was not allowed to play by MB who in those days did believe in playing freshmen in big games. I guess I should look it up, but I thought Colt beat blowu as a true freshman but lost to kansas aggy and the local aggy?
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 8:03 PM CDT reply actions
“Believe in this team and they could become a national champion, turn on them and you may destroy any hope”
Sounds like magical thinking. Even if we all believe, this team will not be the national champion. The first step in fixing problems is to understand reality. Discussing reality is not turning on the team.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 8:04 PM CDT reply actions
@Bill_Byrne Bill Byrne
Someone vandalized our buses in Lubbock. Excrement inside and outside of buses plus spray painted vulgarities on outside. Classy.
by bigdukesix on Oct 8, 2011 8:05 PM CDT reply actions
Yes, I watched Malcom Brown and I saw a lot of what aggy calls heart, but I have not seen what I saw from Jamal C or Romance T as freshmen. Sorry.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 8:09 PM CDT reply actions
Garry, you’re right. My bad. Wow, that shows you how very far behind Case really is versus Colt at the same age!
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 8:13 PM CDT reply actions
I have to agree with WB Heaven. This was a banged up OU OL. They had to reshuffle their line this week. If any team had an excuse to play like crap it was OU’s OL. But they had no problems.
Wanna know why? Because Bob Stoops requires execution and preparation from his team.
You remember 2009? When OU had a freshmen QB? They lost but it was very close. If I remember correctly, he didn’t play half bad either. Much better than the guys we threw out there today who have had just as much experience as Landry 2 years ago.
This loss wasn’t about recruiting. That’s ridiculous. Texas has players that are as fast and strong and heavy as OU generally speaking. This game was about a program that is still soft and doesn’t require execution out of its players. It pathetic, and I am sick about it. Texas should NEVER give up 55 points to OU, EVER.
I was okay with the game last year. 28-20 isn’t good but it isn’t embarrassing. 55-17 is a travesty of epic proportions and Mack should catch hell for 12 months about until he beats them next year.
No. Damn. Excuses.
by Monahorns on Oct 8, 2011 8:15 PM CDT reply actions
Kafka,
Not this year, next year, or even the year after. But with Ash, Brown, Shipley et al learning the ropes at such a young age, when they are seniors they will have a shot. Assuming that we don’t turn on them for not providing immediate success like we did Gilbert.
by Pistol on Oct 8, 2011 8:19 PM CDT reply actions
Monahorns, that is very Christian of you despite the fact that MB teams have given up 50+ points to blowu 3 times.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 8:29 PM CDT reply actions
Yes, I watched Malcom Brown and I saw a lot of what aggy calls heart, but I have not seen what I saw from Jamal C or Romance T as freshmen. Sorry.
You might want to take a look at the offensive line they ran behind as freshmen and then compare it to this one.
by srr50 on Oct 8, 2011 8:29 PM CDT reply actions
Pistol, do you think there will be a lot of boo birds next Saturday in DKR-Memorial?
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 8:42 PM CDT reply actions
Blocked FG returned for a TD by real aggy when Sand Aggy should’ve been going for it.
by bigdukesix on Oct 8, 2011 8:45 PM CDT reply actions
srr50, it has been so long since we had a top quality O-line that it is difficult to remember when that was. What year did the O-line hit bottom never to recover to this very day?
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 8:46 PM CDT reply actions
Divo-ed it. Checked the results then watched. MUCH less drama that way.
Observation: youngsters got exposed against a very good ou team. I am not shaken or stirred. I am very confident in the future.
The kids are alright!
by dasmithjones on Oct 8, 2011 8:52 PM CDT reply actions
We beat OU when we out-gangsta them. It’s talent + attitude that wins this game more than scheme.
They took us out back and beat the shit out of us today. Knocked us out, took our wallet, and then pissed on us while we were unconscious. Laughing all the way.
They do this to us far more often than we do it to them. 2005 is the only clear example on both sides of the ball for us. ’06, ’08, and ’09 to lesser degrees.
Why? It comes down to the personalities of the programs
Stoops is a ruthless prick. His team plays like it. Mack Brown is a nice guy. Our team plays like it.
Until this dynamic changes, the results won’t.
by CasualObserver on Oct 8, 2011 8:54 PM CDT reply actions
The apogee of the o line was 2004-5. When those guys graduated its been largely downhill since. And i guess while those guys were here McWhorter slid into a recruiting coma from which he has never recovered. Come to think of it Sendlein and Studdard were both legacies. IIRC.
by 2xHorn on Oct 8, 2011 8:54 PM CDT reply actions
When the line that both Ramonce and Jamaal ran behind (the National Championship line) all graduated.
by srr50 on Oct 8, 2011 8:54 PM CDT reply actions
OK lite will be a better game, no way we turn the ball over that many times 2 weeks in a row. 31 points off turn over’s. Lots of teaching to be done this week. We have good coaches , good players. we will learn and improve. Harsin now knows he is coaching in a big boy league, slow developing plays dont always work well, and Oklahoma looked like they knew what the plays were before the snap. He and Applewhite will ajust. The D will improve. Several TD’s were not their problem. The kick return team is a bright spot .
by MONTY on Oct 8, 2011 8:57 PM CDT reply actions
Disgusting hit takes Eric Stephens out for the season. I hope this lights a fire under Tech to beat some Aggy ass.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 8:57 PM CDT reply actions
srr50, that is indeed too long ago. It is scary to think how long it takes to rebuild an O-line at this level. If I were MB, I would seriously consider some JUCOs as stop gap.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 9:00 PM CDT reply actions
Pistol,
This team exists this year. Next year is a different team. If all the horn fans really, really believe in the horns, what will that make happen this year?
I’m actually not oriented toward multi year expectations, seems like nonsense. Not even that interested what people think will be our record this year. I’m much, much more interested in what happened today and what is going to happen this coming week.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 9:00 PM CDT reply actions
This year we have a freshman QB RB and WR as a stars on offense 7-8 wins would be an awesome achievement. We were never in the same class as the OU team today, and there’s point in being upset, we simply couldn’t match their experience. I just hope that the avg UT fan is able to look past this season unlike this tool Kafka who expects a bunch of players out of HS to beat a team full of NFL ready players. Support them, nurture them, show belief. That’s what this team needs. We will get smashed next week too. Probably by 14+ points. I bed you not to boo
by Pistol on Oct 8, 2011 9:20 PM CDT reply actions
Pistol,
I’m just trying to figure out what we can achieve if we really, really believe. Sounds like 7 or 8 wins. How many wins do we get if half of us are not true believers? BTW, what exactly are we believing? Now you are telling me I have to nurture them, too? I’m feeling a bit uneasy about this nurture thing since I don’t really know specifically what that entails.
“I bed you not to boo”
No need to go that far.
“Kafka …expects a bunch of players out of HS to beat a team full of NFL ready players”
Not true, though I did not expect to get slaughtered or give up 31 points on turnovers.
by Kafka on Oct 8, 2011 9:36 PM CDT reply actions
Amen, Monty.
We’ll be back next week.
And, Monahorns, me thinks Mack will catch much flack resembling almuni and media offerings from the infernal region. Goes with the territory when something like this happens at this level and he knows it.
I stil think we win it all in 2013. But that really does seem far away right now.
Just like it did in 2003.
And we all remember what happened two years later then too, now don’t we?
Hookem.
by Palmettohorn on Oct 8, 2011 9:42 PM CDT reply actions
We could actually end up 6-6 or 7-5 this year. Well, better than last year, but next year should be a little better, maybe 8-4 or possibly 9-3?
by Nicer Longhorn Fanatico on Oct 8, 2011 9:46 PM CDT reply actions
This year I really, really want 8-4. I can deal with 7-5, but I really want this team to get at least 8 wins.
by Garry Crowbar on Oct 8, 2011 9:52 PM CDT reply actions
I doubt 8-4 for this year. We already lost to OU, next we WILL lose to O-St, then we will probably lose to K-St, A&M, and maybe lose to either Missouri(road game), TTech(good offense), or Baylor(great QB).
by Nicer Longhorn Fanatico on Oct 8, 2011 10:08 PM CDT reply actions
Palmettohorn, in 2003 we had VY and an O-line. There will be no VY, RW, EC or O-line on this team in 2013.
by Flash on Oct 8, 2011 10:14 PM CDT reply actions
You know what folks, this game unlike last season will have no bearing on next weeks game outcome. This is a young team, its growing in the knowledge of what it takes to compete and win. Unlike last years squad who were upper classmen and for whatever reason packed it in early, this team is young, and have their best days ahead of them. At some point this freshman class will become the leaders on some dominating Longhorn teams. You can take that to the bank. The boo birds can take a hike, this is not the time for it.
by MONTY on Oct 8, 2011 10:16 PM CDT reply actions
Positives—think UT did pretty well against the run for the most part which will come in handy in November and earlier against Tech. But this team absolutely has to get more pressure on opposing qbs.
by kemit on Oct 8, 2011 10:21 PM CDT reply actions
I bet greg davis, garret gilbert and his family had a great laugh today and rightfully so…
by Nicer Longhorn Fanatico on Oct 8, 2011 10:45 PM CDT reply actions
I can’t wait for a certain 4 year starter to graduate. Think about that. That sums up the state of our program in many different ways.
Diaz is no muschamp, that’s obvious. Pick a QB and give him snaps. Not enough touches for Fozzy (hats off to him BTW) and Monroe. Not enamored with our OC today. Vaccarro is overrated, Okafor played ok, where is jeffcoat, Dtackles played well
Does anyone think Greg Davis is laughing his ass off right now? We had one horrible team last year and played much better. I, like many others, don’t believe we should lose like this to anyone ever.
by Groundhog Day on Oct 8, 2011 11:18 PM CDT reply actions
Does anyone think Greg Davis is laughing his ass off right now?
Considering the fact that our offense is completely devoid of upper class talent is in large part due to Davis, I sure hope not.
by bigdukesix on Oct 8, 2011 11:31 PM CDT reply actions
In the second quarter you could sense that OU defensively was not afraid of Texas being able to attack them down the field throwing the ball and Veneables turned his front loose. When OU’s front four started whipping the Horns offensive line the game was over. Didn’t matter what Harsin called, what trick plays-formations-motions, etc……When the defensive line is moving the effective line of scrimmage into the offensive backfield with just their front the offense is in big trouble.
Texas had not seen a front like OU’s yet this year and fortunately they won’t again, but how long will Texas be able to get away with the alternating quarterbacks if it is obvious what Case is capable of running and what the staff feels comfortable allowing Ash to run?
Defense to me is the bigger concern because Texas might not face a defense like OU’s for the rest of the year they are going to face some good offenses that will play the same up tempo style OU played if not faster. OU basically rendered what Diaz wanted to do mute by not allowing the defense time to change personnel or make on the field adjustments. OSU, A&M, and Baylor all play the same pace and TCU’s young defensive backs looked lost and unable to adjust to what OU was throwing at them in that pivotal second quarter when the game slipped away.
This wasn’t a surprise to see young players get overwhelmed, but they will only learn at the pace that they learn. It sounds stupid and like a bad cliche, but it is true. OU’s receiving corp is not that much better than OSU or A&M’s and I still think some here aren’t giving Baylor the credit for the challenge they pose. If Texas can not get consistent pressure from their front four things could be rough against OSU and the last four games of the year.
by Davey O'Brien on Oct 8, 2011 11:50 PM CDT reply actions
That’s fine, Duke, but when are we going to stop using scapegoats and possibly point the finger at the HMIC?
by Groundhog Day on Oct 8, 2011 11:56 PM CDT reply actions
Diaz is no muschamp, that’s obvious.
Based on what? OU’s offense scoring 6 points more this year than last year? Muschamp got whipped by UCLA, Diaz didn’t. Where’s your evidence that supports your assumption?
by Blaze Pascal on Oct 8, 2011 11:57 PM CDT reply actions
Muschamps D got whipped last year??? I thought the defense got tired from the offense going 3 and out. We’re always at war against Big Eastasia
by Kim Kardashian's Big Cigar on Oct 9, 2011 12:26 AM CDT reply actions
Come on, Blaze. Jones passed for 300 yards in the first half alone. That’s outrageous and Jones is no Bradford. Muschamp also played with Freshmen in the secondary in Earl Thomas, Gideon, Aaron Williams along with Senior Ewok Palmer and Sophomore Chykie Brown and Curtis Brown. We were lucky to hold them to FGs on their first two possessions. The game was over at the half. This was a good ole fashion ass kicking in every phase. Muschamp’s D’s at UT were always in the top 10 and he had his troops ranked in the top 3 in 2008 and 2009. Also, remember the transformation in the program from 2007 to 2008 just by his arrival. I didn’t hear the same popping out of our D today that I heard in 2008 when I was at the game. Just another observation.
by Groundhog Day on Oct 9, 2011 12:36 AM CDT reply actions
Just curious which two freshmen defensive backs compare to Thomas and Williams?
Diggs is a player, but he isn’t Earl and who compares to AJ?
Plus, that defensive line consisted of Brian Orakpo, Roy Miller, Lamarr Houston, and Henry Melton. What ever happened to those guys Groundhog?
by Davey O'Brien on Oct 9, 2011 12:55 AM CDT reply actions
Flash said: “AZHorn, who (besides Jordan S) in the class fo 2011 has shown the potential to be another Cedric Benson, Colt McCoy, Casey Hampton, etc? Name by name, who really looks like they will be the backbone of a team that can beat blowu next year?”
srr50 already answered part of the question, and I guess I’d just like to ask you one: how many true freshman can you name on any team that have been able to come in and dominate future pro juniors and seniors in D1? I can’t think of many.
As far as who has potential out of the 2011 class? Shipley, Ash, Brown, M. Thompson, Diggs, Onyegbule, Edmond…lots of guys. Did some of them get lit up by more experienced players on a better team today? Hell yes. Does that mean they won’t amount to shit and they have no talent? Hell no. I have high expectations for Texas football, but they’re grounded in reality, not some fucking pipe dream that because Rivals said we had a top 5 recruiting class that all our froshes should stomp mudholes into anyone and everyone from day one.
It was one fucking game. We got beat down by a much better team. It hurts to say that, but next week we have another game. Hopefully we learned some things and play better. And piss on all of you who are already writing that game off. Go cheer for UCLA, the ‘Horns don’t need you.
by AZHorn on Oct 9, 2011 12:57 AM CDT reply actions
Damn, if I include Muck that means Will in 2008 had a defense with 7 NFL players on it.
by Davey O'Brien on Oct 9, 2011 1:01 AM CDT reply actions
The real barometer will be how these kids handle the loss and how they show up next week. It sucks to lose, especially to Okie, but its time to get mad and focused. Just get better. No more sunshine or excuses. No one is a freshman anymore. Time to grow up or GTFO.
by RedHead on Oct 9, 2011 1:48 AM CDT reply actions
Groundhog,
Even if what you say about Diaz is true, one game is not a large enough sample to compare the two. Please explain how Diaz is incapable of fielding a top 10 unit? How do you know he won’t make the necessary adjustments in the upcoming weeks? You don’t, which is my point. Muschamp’s defenses were real good units, and he is a great coach, but last season was not great by any stretch of the imagination. Besides it’s not the same turning around a team that lost 3 games the season prior than 7. Your comparison hardly seems fair.
by Blaze Pascal on Oct 9, 2011 2:06 AM CDT reply actions
You mean the melton that was a running back the year before he arrived? Fair enough on the DB’s, but then maybe the pups aren’t as talented as everyone thinks. Personally, i think Vaccarro is overrrated which speaks to our recruiting woes past 2005. He can hit but is limited coverage wise. I bet our 3 starting LB’s play in the NFL. I also seem to think that Randall, Dorsey, and Okafor will play in the NFL. What has happened to Jeffcoat? Also remember how Muschamp helped Kindle play to his strengths. Our 09 unit dominated without Orakpo, Miller, and Melton. Yes, he’s a great coach who is not easily replaceable. I just don’t think Diaz is the witch that everyone thinks. I’m not ready to write Diaz off, I’m merely stating that our fanbase will miss Muschamp more than they realize.
Either we lack talent on D and if that’s the case we have a much longer rebuilding period than people think or our coaching isn’t very good. I do know this, we have had 3 major beatdowns by OU during the MB era. I’m tired of the scapegoating when our one true constant has been the head man who never seems to be held accountable. But I’ll give this new staff time as they are 5 games into their tenure, but I think the honeymoon period is over.
Did I expect a W today. No, I hoped, but I didn’t expect one. I expected us to compete better than we did today.
by Groundhog Day on Oct 9, 2011 8:22 AM CDT reply actions
I agree. This is the 3rd time that Mack has taken such a beating in this game that it wasn’t even competetive. Regardless of all the excuses from the apologists, there is simply no reason to get thoroughly dominated in every phase of this game. None.
by RS on Oct 9, 2011 8:37 AM CDT reply actions
How does a state which produces half the QBs in FBS… Never mind.
You tell me what the ceiling for this team is over the next season and a half. Lot of holes right now.
by GOF on Oct 9, 2011 11:37 AM CDT reply actions
I wish people would stop with OU Sucks bit. Has gotten really old and besides the way they beat Texas its obvious they don’t suck. So, enough of that silliness.
by Nicer Longhorn Fanatico on Oct 9, 2011 2:20 PM CDT reply actions
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