A Practice and a Program Update From The Asset

thanks for the report. sounds like the old sense of entitlement is still alive and well on the 40 acres. shocked that case thinks he deserves more reps, what has he ever done?

Great news about Case — not so much because I like keeping him around after his fit on OU Saturday; but, because we really need him in the back-up position until the new meat arrives.

Glad to hear that the powers-that-be think there is hope for the O-line.

Has there been anything said about our complete inability to get pressure on the QB over the last two weeks. It was like an auditorium meditation zone back there in the oppositions’ pockets.

Thanks.

Good as always. Thanks, JS!

Good young coaches with a vision. They have a long term plan and they’re going to stick with it. It’s all going to pay off in the end.

Agreed that’s great news on case, getting over his disillusionment and coming to grips with this coaching decision. One of the greatest (and scariest) things I’ve learned in life is that people can and do change – their minds, and even their character. The optimist in me sees a redemption story here and hopes that any locker room dissension is quashed.

Thanks for the report, Jesus. Since Sunday, been checking BC hourly (it seems) for actual, honest-to-goodness, Longhorn football content, and you delivered!

Hook ’em!

Pardon me, that should be “Case” with a capital C. No disrespect.

Isn’t Case cutting his “I’m gonna transfer” throat with the bizarre refusal to play when told against
OU? The word is out, I’m sure, and what coach wants a marginal talent with a bad attitude and an interfering father?

He can be counted on to bail if he or his father think things are not going his way. Who would waste a scholarship on this kid now?

Stupid, stupid, stupid, Case. He is very unlike his more talented brother in the character department.

Honestly, why do the coaches care that Case’s Dad thinks he should start? Why risk losing a game just to placate a parent?

So even if Case has changed his demeanor, isnt he still more than likely to transfer? Isnt that why the coaches are looking to add a 2nd QB to the 2012 class? Thanks for the report as always JS

would love to see thompson get some quality action in the Kansas game in place of gideon. it’s time to start preparing for next year, let’s see what the kid can do back there because he definitely has the athleticism to excel at the position.

same goes for edmond, would love to see him replace either robinson or hicks on obvious running downs

It is sad we had schollies available for the Kyle Kriegals and Case Mccoys (two players who clearly were not elite D1 talents) but there was not schollarship avaialbel fro Christine Michael or Andrew Luck.

It sounds to me as if soemthing is rotten and failing in the top down leadership from Mack if Case’s attitude is as it appears. And if our coaches entered the season thinking 8 wins was a “high water mark”.

If they felt the talent was not on campus to win more than 8, we should have acquired talent via JUCO ranks. After all we did have at least 1 schollie left over to give to a walk on. It seems that could have been better spent on a LT or QB. Or a TE, or a MLB, or any number of other hoels.

Kansas and Tech will mask our problems, but the Kst and Missouri games will take this team right down the drain.

We will never win another conference title with Mack and the sooner our fanbase demands a coach willing to compete with Oklahoma for titles, the better. Mack’s plan is not to compete but to luck into compiling enough talent to overwelm OU. It worked before, and its all he knows. Unfortunetely we are long way from an overwelming talent advantage; and I doubt he can put that together again.

The whole ordeal with Case seemed to be completely out of left field, imo. We have seen Brad McCoy for the last several years, and we watched Colt grow into an incredible young man. The attitude from Case and the rumors about his dad were shocking, to say the least, from my point of view. I’m hoping it was just a young man having an immature moment with what was, probably, one of the only setbacks he’s ever faced on the football field, along with a father supporting his son “no matter what.” Though that would fly in the face of the elder McCoy’s “prepare your child for the road, not the road for your child” mantra.

Anyway, hopefully all is right there, and Case sticks it out at The University.

Thanks for the report, JS…

A couple of months ago, I wrote that I didn’t see Case transferring even though I was certain he’d get beaten out of the starting position. If what is being reported is true, it appears I made the mistake of projecting his older brother onto him (no, not the skill set, the personality). Here’s hoping he gets a better grip on reality and cools his jets.

On a peripheral note, Mack has faded a lot of heat in his tenure at UT, much of it probably deserved. But one thing I’m digging about the old man this year, he’s not fucking around with pouters. He’ll help you find the door if you’re gonna pull that crap.

I pretty much agree with Fear the Cow on everything.
But, we did have 4 QBs going into the season and hard to justify signing a 5th at that time. Not sure exactly how we went from 4 to possibly 1 but here we are again.

Can Connor Wood transfer back? :)

We still have 2 Qb’s, Or we may not have any.

I think McCoy gets the start against Kansas. Ash showed nothing in the passing game, McCoys turn.

Lets hope one of the QB’s separates this year, need to get that position settled with positive production or the team will continue to struggle.

JS,
Thanks for the report from the Asset. I’m glad that Case has changed his attitude from the previous week(s).
I was more encouraged to learn that the coaches see that they are ahead of schedule. While I wasn’t on the “ledge”, hopefully this will help the ledge dweller fans come off and stop freaking out.
Again, I really appreciate your reports from the Asset and Big Cigar.
How’s your kid’s football team doing?

This report on the coaches’ thinking jibes with the early reports you shared but I seem to remember the Asset telling us the coaches were feeling like 10 wins was the goal after seeing the team practice leading up to the start of the season. That is still technically possible even with another regular season loss. I suppose that optimism must have been on having GG improve through the season rather than a true freshman, but its still a bit disappointing to see them feel there are at least 2 more losses on the slate for us.

“We will never win another conference title with Mack and the sooner our fanbase demands a coach willing to compete with Oklahoma for titles, the better. Mack’s plan is not to compete but to luck into compiling enough talent to overwelm OU. It worked before, and its all he knows. Unfortunetely we are long way from an overwelming talent advantage; and I doubt he can put that together again.”

Couldn’t agree more. The problem is that Mack still has a lot of support in Austin and I don’t see that changing any time soon. Old timers like myself always point to how bad things were before he got here…and they were bad. I appreciate Mack taking the program to the next level. The problem is that he just can’t compete with Stoops and that’s his downfall.

I’ll never understand those who point to the past as the reason Mack shouldn’t be let go. Just because things were worse before is no reason to put up with this BS now. That’s a loser’s mentality. We should expect to win at least as many conference titles as our rival. Anything less is unacceptable imo.

I designed a Barking Carnival plug-in for my browser that redacts every posting whining about Mack and insinuates there are dozens of coaches out there that could lead the program better.

Case is an interesting situation. You have a guy who would never have been offered a ship if he wasn’t Colt’s brother. If his name is Joe Dokes do you think anyone on the old or new UT staff would have seen his weak arm and poor mechanic’s and said to themselves, “I need that guy”. So he gets to UT and has a crappy spring game (production wise ok, but lots of jump balls and throwing off his back foot) and develops supporters from people who only read his stat line. If I was head coach and someone was pouting about playing time and wouldn’t go in the game when told, he would see the field for a long long time. I bet the Qb’s currently on ACU’s roster all have better arms than Case. What D-1 program would promise him a ship based on what they’ve seen this year? And don’t get me started about that crooked mouth of his. Are your coaches looking for a 2nd Qb in this years class? If not they should be.

Kilgore,

According to the guys over at BON, they are looking at taking two QBs.

http://www.burntorangenation.com/2011/10/20/2503141/the-elusive-2nd-2012-qb

I actually think we would have been better off taking a ‘Joe Dokes’. Case was taken as an insurance policy. He was meant to be the next Sherrod Harris and hold the clip board. He would hopefully be smart enough to be a game manager should the #1 guy go down, but Wood was suppose to be the guy that followed GG. But Since he is Colt’s brother, it looks like he and his father got it in their heads that he was #1 material. I don’t understand how he couldn’t have seen the writing on the wall when the season began. He was ‘annointed’ the back-up, but it was Ash that was getting a special package of plays that all but guaranteed he was going to see the field, while Case, as the back up, might not see a snap if a game ended up being close.

I’ll be curious to see how this potential 2 QB class shakes out. It seems like the coaches didn’t tell Case he was being brought in because they need stability at back up, but can you tell any player that and get their commitment?

“I designed a Barking Carnival plug-in for my browser that redacts every posting whining about Mack and insinuates there are dozens of coaches out there that could lead the program better.”

No kidding, Big Al. For those of you dogging Mack on this thread, tell me something he could have done better since the end of last season. If your beef is with stuff that went down before that, man, that’s been done to death. I’m excited about the direction of the team and am not interested in rehashing old news.

The high water mark is 8 wins this year?

The backup QB who’s shown nothing refuses his coaches’ orders to enter the OU game in the Red River Rivalry, so his OC cusses him out and he threatens to transfer?!?

I saw Case’s daddy on the sideline of the OSU game.

I saw Mad Dog leading the team on the field of the OSU game.

I’m starting to wonder if we’re Ole Miss, not the mighty Texas Longhorns.

 Stoops is loving this.

I am happy with the new staff overall. I still need to see more from Diaz. I do feel that progress is being made that extrapolates to more success in the future. We are OK for the time being and I do not advocate blowing it up whilst progress is afoot. However, the PTB (Powers That Be) need to be greasing Mack’s wheels for a graceful exit just as soon as stability is achieved – hopefully after next year. Don’t let that thin-skinned, ossified and effete “nice guy” take down the whole enterprise again. Yes, the rebuilding seems to be going well overall, but there is still absolutely no excuse that justifies this type of wholesale rebuilding in the 14th year of a head coach’s tenure at a school with all the advantages of Texas. Beat it, Mack!

You can solve a talent issue with jucos if you have a rock solid program culture. If you don’t, they create more problems than they solve. There’s a reason they had to spend a year or two out of FBS.

If – a big if – Mack recognizes the #1 issue is program culture (work ethic, commitment, daily progress), then Mack’s second act could be something special. Texas will always have access to the best talent, both players and coaches. Note I said “access.” We’ve seen what that access can accomplish, both good and bad, without that overriding focus in the past. It’s just a “force multiplier” (yeah, hopeless cliche) in both directions with kids this age, IMO. It’s been the one missing ingredient.

Maybe that’s all wishful thinking on my part.

JS -

What is the story with wr Chris Jones? Being originally from east tx myself I always route for the east tx kids… is he still too small to play big 12 football? I have never even heard his name mentioned in the asset’s reports.

root*

Awesome info J. I love everything I read here. You guys are incredible.
 I saw Case’s antics in Okla game but did not know that it reached that level. I hope that he is back down to earth and is doing the things that got him this far. I believes he comes from an incredible family and certainly has the fiber to handle adversity and learn from it. Istill think that Ash is the guy but team cohesiveness is vital now and going forward for this team.
Keep up the great work!! tnx

Is Brad McCoy an annoying wart on this program or does he just get a bad rap?

Agree with “fear the cow” especially about Mack only hoping to assemble enough talent to be competitive.

In praise of Mack, we too often hear, “do you people realize we played for the MNC 21 months ago ?”

So did Alabama ! Look at their record.

Fear_the_Cow: Get some intervention before it’s too late.

Big Al: Please make your plug-in publicly available. I want it.

10-win talk early on was brought to earth by OU (and reinforced by our lousy passing game vs OkieSt). 8 wins is reasonable and doable considering A&M still must be (even by Thanksgiving) definitely favored to beat us and K St owns us (especially with the Mad Scientist-Warlock-Wizard-Sorcerer-High Priest doing his thing again this year). The result of the rest of the games will be dependent on the improvement curve projected by the coaches, but they are all winnable.

I think you guys are better off shaking hands goodbye with Case. Once you’ve crossed the Diva Rubicon, the behavioural neurons are fixed.

Give him a release to Cleveland.

It is amazingly bad that Case refused to go back into the OU game. Mack and Harsin and the horn players are not going to forget that.

Darius White is a beast and the horns need him. It is so disappointing to hear that he is still not motivated. The horns really need a big, physical receiver who runs well. Bring in his mom and dad, maybe they can smack some sense into him. Don’t give up on this kid.

Great news about using the wild Foz more.

Any word on what Harsin is doing to make it easier on Ash? Some ideas to help Ash:

• Ash should avoid throwing to the middle of the field
• throw more very quick passes
• throw more to backs on flares (including DJ Monroe)
• throw fewer intermediate passes
• throw more long passes but only on play action
• use more wild formations with Ash at WR, even away from the goal line
• throw more on first down, short, quick, safe passes
• reduce the internal clock to about 1 second, if the primary isn’t open by 1 second, dump it to the backup receiver or run
• shift to shotgun and pass if D overloads the box
• roll out more
• call all the plays, including the audibles, from the sideline
• run more hurry up
• run as much as possible
• avoid traditional pocket passing; the longer Ash is in the pocket, the more likely something bad happens

I second the question regarding the lack of pass rush. Of all of the current issues on this team, the lack of pass rush seems to me to be the one that has the least to do with being young or playing in a new scheme. And there appears to be a void of pass rushing DE’s on the current roster and recruiting class.

Ahhh…. I’m loving these reports. What I really need to know is whether Ash is still hungry and working as hard as he was in the spring. I’m looking for him to take a big jump this week against Kansas. When we get a QB that can complement the running game as an equal or greater strength then we will be rollin’. JS any info on Ash’s preparations?

Thanks for the write up Hey-soos! I was starting to shake without my fix.

*throw fewer interceptions
*throw more touchdown passes

If Ash makes as much progress each week as he did between OU and OSU, he’ll be a top notch quarterback by the end of the year.

I think 7-5 is more realistic than 8-4, but time will tell. “The team playing right now isn’t half as good as the team that will be playing in 2012…”, that MUCH improvement, I’m not so sure about that? However, 8-4 does seem plausible for next year. Slight chance, 9-3. No, it won’t be til 2013 or 14 til we see a much better team.

“when we get those reps under our belt we’re going to be a bitch to play against, on both sides of the ball. You better get us while we’re young this season”

Even with reps, we don’t know how fast Ash will progress this season. There is a significant chance that QB play stays less than mediocre all season long. If so, it will be hard to score points, making winning difficult in the high scoring Big 12. Ash has a lot of upside but he is still a raw true frosh QB who has a lot to learn. Harsin will have to be a real wizard both as an OC and as a QB coach to turn this offense into a scoring machine (against a decent defense) before the end of this season. Having said that, KU doesn’t have a decent defense so may the horns score a bunch vs KU.

For those of you dogging Mack on this thread, tell me something he could have done better since the end of last season.

He could have gone out the door with his buddy that he cared more for than the program that has made him rich. I’m not bitching. You asked so I merely answered.

Going into the year the coaches explicitly told our sources that they thought 8 wins was the high water mark

If 8 wins is the ceiling than 7-5 seems more likely. Given that this would entail a 3-3 finish to the season and probably losing 3 of last 4 (Mizzou, KSU, A&M, Baylor) along with having been ass raped on national TV in the RRR, what are the odds that we can even keep the currently committed 2012 class together?

We aren’t getting the pressure on the QB that we hoped, but the absolute statement that we are getting no pressure at all is absurd. Wheeden was rushed in his throw a number of times resulting in incomplete passes.

The absolute statement that Ash has shown nothing is similarly absurd. He improved throughout the OSU game and has a strong arm. If his improvement keeps this pace, he may well be a very good QB for Texas.

If Case refused to go back into a game, that’s a big deal. It sounds like the staff handled it appropriately. I can’t imagine how Brad McCoy has any influence with the coaching staff at all. Could it be that Mack has a tendency to actually befriend some parents and then has trouble detaching himself? Are we magnifying Brad McCoy’s meddling and/or influence?

My guess is that Big Al’s ap is one that detects cut-and-pasted posts from anytime prior to February of this year. Mack has changed things, and it’s apparent on the field and what we read of how the coaching staff has more freedom. To expect more than what we have at this point is naivete cloaked in the hard bitten language of a cold realist. RESULTS!!! There are favorable results, some just refuse to recognize them because it would mean changing the tiresome braying they’ve become accustomed to voicing about the program.

I was a little puckered at the statement that the defense was taking it to the offense. Not that we have a bad defense by any means, but that they haven’t necessarily been big playmakers outside of maybe the secondary. Glad to hear that it has more to do with Davis chapping some ass as opposed to the line still having problems.

It’s funny but this season, with the soft ooc, the two byes, and getting our 2 biggest games out of the way early may turn out to be the perfect way to develop this team. I want great things for this team, but I’d trade it all to give A&M and Mizzou a nice kick in the pants on the way out the door. Pettiness, thy name is Finkle.

Hook Em

For those bashing Mack, I have one question – “What were the goals you established preseason for where the team should be at this point in the season?”

If we don’t set goals and milestones, we can’t chart our relative success. Personally, I am happy with where the team is at this point and, given the situation at the end of last season, I believe Mack and the rest of the team (coaches and players) are doing quite fine. Room for improvement? Hell yes. A 10 year run without a rebuilding year and seemingly back on the right track after a bad season… no complaints so far from me.

*and in what we read…

Damn prepositions.

Big Al, my goals didn’t include getting face raped by OU for three hours. That kind of throws shit out of balance.

+1 on wishing all the whinny bitches on here would move to some other blog. I’m plain sick of reading it. And yes I am trying to skip it but you guys won’t go away.

“the absolute statement that we are getting no pressure at all is absurd. Wheeden was rushed in his throw a number of times resulting in incomplete passes.”

Weeden’s passing numbers were more a function of our DB’s and OSU’s receivers numerous drops than the pressure. If you think the pass rush was anything above terrible for most of the game, you are seeing something completely different from me, and the stats on hurries and sacks on the year back up what I’m seeing with my own eyes.

Remember, this was a defensive gameplan that revolved around hitting the QB on a consistent basis.

Given that this would entail a 3-3 finish to the season and probably losing 3 of last 4 (Mizzou, KSU, A&M, Baylor) along with having been ass raped on national TV in the RRR, what are the odds that we can even keep the currently committed 2012 class together?

As good as keeping last year’s together after that train wreck – for the same reason. “Guys you want playing time right away? Don’t want to redshirt? Step right up and show us your stuff.”

Jesus -

RE: the secondary, who comes out when Thompson goes in? How is Adrian Phillips’s health?

Thanks for all of these.

I’ve got a great idea for a new report! Just like the report from the asset, the report can be name “The Liability” or “La Responsabilidad”, and the inside source can be Blake Gideon! We can get Gideons take on what’s going on and why we’re giving up these huge plays on defense! What do you think?

According to the guys over at BON, they are looking at taking two QBs.

I had a chance to see one of the main contenders, Del Barnes of Henderson, in person a couple weeks ago as they beat up on our woeful team. I’m no talent scout, so I don’t know what all to look for. However, he seemed to have a really nice arm. He threw several beautiful deeps balls (one 50yds, and another 30yds) that were right on target. These were not moonshot hail mary type passes either, they were on a rope. Seems to have nice touch and accuracy on his throws. Also seems to have good mobility as he moved around well to avoid pressure (what little we could get). He only ran with the ball 2 or 3 times that I remember and seemed to have pretty good speed. My biggest concern was his size. Didn’t look much over 6’0". I’m not sure how easily he can see over bigger college lines and whether he can stand up to the beating (this may be why Henderson doesn’t run him more either). One thing I have no ability to judge is his adeptness at reading defenses and finding secondary recievers.

Overall, because of his size I’m not sure I’d want to see him as the QB of the future, but if he’s willing to be mostly a backup and be ready to step in if needed, then he looks like someone worth getting.

I recall saying before y’alls season started that 8-4 would be the high water mark and 7-5 much more probable. I was accused of being a flaming baiter. Are y’all going to accuse The Asset of the same thing now?

I alos recall getting flamed for way the LHN wouldn’t make it to most TVs this season. Danged if I wasn’t the prophetic one around here.

srr50 said:
“As good as keeping last year’s together after that train wreck – for the same reason.”

I don’t know, man. I’d imagine that one shitty season is a lot easier to sell than two. Also, that would be two straight losses to OU, a&m, and baylor.

As good as keeping last year’s together after that train wreck – for the same reason. "Guys you want playing time right away? Don’t want to redshirt? Step right up and show us your stuff."

I hope you’re right srr. In light of the rumors that Malcolm Brown is looking around I just question if that’s enough when you compound last season with this year (OU and a decent chance of losing 3 of last 4). Last year can be dismissed as the perfect storm, but without this year being dramatically better (and I don’t see 7-5 with the OU game and a 1-3 finish as dramatically better) do some kids start to see things as less promising. Part of what we’re basing big things in a year or two on is not only development of the current young talent but more of it coming in.

I only bring this up here because Jesus deals so much with recruiting and I thought maybe he’d have some insights on the Malcolm Brown thing and see if he’s hearing anything from other recruits.

@nordberg -

No one set a goal of getting assraped by the Sooners, but we are working with a freshman QB (alternating with an undersized and weak armed Soph), a freshman left tackle, a freshman BR and freshman WR. How much should we really have expected for the 5th game into the season when we are implementing a new scheme on offense and defense?

Line up a team with legitimate NFL talent at multiple positions on both sides of the ball against a young team still clueless about the schemes they are running and a beat down wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibilities.

If we are 7-4 going into the game at farmville and get assraped on Thanksgiving, thus giving our farm friends the experience of singing “saw varsity’s horns off” until 5 in the morning and offering them one of the greatest moments in the history of their program, I will be MUCH more pissed than I am about what happened at the Cotton Bowl in early Oct.

"He could have gone out the door with his buddy that he cared more for than the program that has made him rich."

He didn’t care more for his buddy than he cared for the program. That’s nonsense. Mack stuck with Davis (and a cadre of other under-performers) because he was afraid to rock a boat that was producing wins. The team went 12-1 and 13-1 in 2008 and 2009 and Mack couldn’t see past the Ws to see that the reason wasn’t his coaching staff, and certainly not Greg Davis, that was responsible for those wins but a core or transcendent players that toughed out win after win. I think you and I will agree those wins came not because of but despite his coaching staff, but to suggest that Mack cut the university’s throat to make sure his buddy got a paycheck is horseshit. When the house of cards came down, Mack cut them loose.

You can fault Mack for being blind (I’d agree with you as regards the bunch he canned at the end of the season, and a couple remaining for that matter), but his highest interest is winning games at the university. You wanna say he’s not great at winning games, okay, we can talk. But to say he knowingly screwed the school because he loves his butt buddy more is foolishness.

“I recall saying before y’alls season started that 8-4 would be the high water mark and 7-5 much more probable. I was accused of being a flaming baiter. Are y’all going to accuse The Asset of the same thing now?

I alos recall getting flamed for way the LHN wouldn’t make it to most TVs this season. Danged if I wasn’t the pathetic one around here".FIFY

And damn, it’s Malcom, not Malcolm. It’s not that difficult.

I dont’ think I’d be complaining if Mack stepped down last year, but he didn’t and instead almost wiped the slate clean with new coaches (still can’t believe Chambers gets a paycheck). Listen, no matter what you and I saw or thought throughout the GDGD years, Mack got winning results. Albeit, not by the way of many championships, but I think I’d trade a few conference championships for a national one any day.

Now, Mack (or maybe its just the staff) is doing what we’ve wanted him to do all along, hold people accountable (for the most part). I realize there are some exceptions to this such as Chambers still doing whatever it is he does, but Mack is trying to reinvent himself late in his coaching career. He’s not going to do it overnight. I imagine in some ways Mack must be baffled at how that 10 win machine suddenly went to crap in a single season. Instead of relying on 10 years of proven results by way of 10 win seasons and saying last year was anomaly, he accepted that last years season wasn’t acceptable and wiped the slate clean.

I’m not a huge fan of Mack, but unless you’re talking about bringing in Urban Meyer or Peterson, cut the guy a little slack. This is a pressure cooker, and unless you want something similar happening to UT that happened to Michigan, I’d give Mack a chance to right this ship. We’re only halfway through the season for Jesus’ sake and we are 4-2. Granted, the reason we are where we are is because of Mack, but no one is perfect. I just wish we had more championships in those glory years. There’s not really any excuse for that besides Mack and Davis.

Fantastic stuff, JS – hopefully the heat dies down in the Humidor soon as well.

I know we have more talent in the front seven than we showed against OSU – hopefully that’s the last we’ll see of freelancing and multiple assignment busts.

Very good news that we’re committed to growing with Cochran, and I’m very interested to see how Flowers shows against Kansas. Hopefully they’ll be leading the way for some exciting redacted plays from here on out.

Also good news on Case, at least with respect to him being a semi-viable backup through the rest of 2011.

ftc, that’s your last substance-free whine about the past post on here, got it?

Hmm… I’m actually pleased with the way the coaches have handled the McCoy situation. Those of you who say he has done “nothing” clearly weren’t watching BYU and UCLA games. The kid has some talent, and while there are deficient physical attributes, he has some nice intangibles that are NOT simply projecting Colt on to him. It’d be nice to see him hang around, because our QB depth chart is obviously problematic going forward without him. And I like redemption stories.

That said, Ash clearly has more upside, and should be the focus of our efforts and hopes going forward. Hopefully, we’ve seen his worst two games as a Longhorn, at least for the forseeable future. I thought that Harsin didn’t give him a lot of help with the playcalling against OSU, and honestly, I don’t know if Aaron Rodgers himself could do much with this Oline, no TE to be seen, and receivers who don’t seem to have grasped the concept yet. I reserve the right to change my mind if he has another 4 turnover performance though.

Good handling of the lockerroom business by the coaching staff, which is something that was missing from last year, so definitely progress on that front.

Jesus, thanks for a great report! Hook ’Em!

I don’t know, man. I’d imagine that one shitty season is a lot easier to sell than two. Also, that would be two straight losses to OU, a&m, and baylor.

Last time I checked we haven’t lost to A&M or Baylor this year. Both teams have come back down to earth a bit and by the time we play them we’ll likely be a better team.

The team playing right now isn’t half as good as the team that will be playing in 2012, and not nearly as good as the squad that will be playing in November this season.

I hope you’re right, but you better hope those words don’t come back to bite you the way “we have the best defensive front 7 in the Big 12” & “this is the best LB corps we’ve had in a long time” have.

We were a Fozzy knee touch away from being down a score with plenty of time left to a legit Top 5 team only a week after getting destroyed by arguably the best team in the country.

I am liking what I see.

Agree, this team just needs reps. When you get those in you play much faster.

I wasnt super excited about our D, but I think that performance is going to stand up pretty well when you see OSU scorch everybody else on their schedule with the possible exception of OU.

Del Barnes is 5’ 10 1/2" and maybe 180 lbs. He is little compared to even Colt is an exception not the rule. OU would never consider taking a QB that small and neither should we. There are just too many options for the University of Texas, we should be able to choose from the best.. In my opinion we should only recruit kids with size and strength that at least approach NFL skill sets. Not all will work out, we all know that, but some will work out and they won’t be exposed against the few really talented teams we play yearly.

Last time I checked we haven’t lost to A&M or Baylor this year. Both teams have come back down to earth a bit and by the time we play them we’ll likely be a better team.

He’s just saying if the ceiling is 8 wins then we have to find at least 2 more losses in the remaining schedule. A&M seems like one of the most likely and Baylor as feasible.

K St worries me more than Baylor. I would like to hold the Big12-2-1+1-1 together long enough to even our record against the fighting Bill Snyders. Does that make me as petty as Finkle?

One question about the 2nd QB recruit for 2012 and the redshirting plan. Ideally we want to redshirt Brewer to get an extra year of separation from Ash. If you bring in a 2nd QB recruit who doesn’t appear to be as good a Brewer to serve as an insurance policy, do you redshirt Brewer next year and play the 2nd (but likely inferior to Brewer) QB as your backup?

This seems like the thing to do, however, how do you justify to the team that the better QB won’t be your backup, and how do you justify to Brewer that the other QB will get to play and have a chance to prove himself.

The other option of redshirting the insurance QB and making Brewer your backup doesn’t seem like it really helps with the big problem of separation from Ash.

Del Barnes is listed at 6’ and looks it in his films but it is so hard to judge from that. That said, I like Jalen Overstreet as the additional QB offer. He can fit several spots.

I recall saying before y’alls season started that 8-4 would be the high water mark and 7-5 much more probable. I was accused of being a flaming baiter. Are y’all going to accuse The Asset of the same thing now?

You’re a flaming something.

In all seriousness, 8-4 was pretty close to the consensus amongst the Texas fans around here before the season started so I’m not gonna dub you Nostradamus for that one.

And as long as we’re keeping score, how’d your prediction of the Ags as BCS title contenders work out?

Good timing TKO.

I know JS spoke of Ash’s running ability quite a bit before and at the beginning of the season, but is anyone else here not impressed? The kid is definitely mobile, but his first step seems awkwardly slow and it isn’t too often he can get away from a DE. Just wondering if anyone else agrees or not. I thought maybe he hangs around the pocket too long and doesn’t give himself a chance by rolling out or taking off a split second too late. Either way, he doesn’t seem to have the mobility Colt did, or at least that first step.

I have seen nothing from Ash but interceptions and 4 yard runs that any quarterback could make. He has not made any great throws or any great runs that would or could justify him starting or playing above Case. I watch ever game multiple times just like much of you and to hear people say that he,Case, is not division 1 talent because of his size and arm strength. Bottom Line he wins games!!!! We don’t ask for much more….he has 2 turnovers on fumbles were even the Florida God himself Tim Tebow would have lost. Our offensive now is derived from team speed and formation mismatches not like individual talent like we are used to in the past.

Ash has raw talent and skills that can be developed. He will perform better the rest of the season. But, next fall is when he will start to look polished. Will prove to be what many had hoped GG was going to be. So, he is definitely on an upward trend and Harsin knows that. With Brewer on his way, this will only push him to work harder now, during the off-season, during spring ball, and through the summer. By the fall, he will be much improved. On the other hand, Case “Pouty” McCoy is on a downward trend and will see less practice snaps and less playing time. He knows it and Harsin does too. And with Brewer coming in next year, he knows his time at UT is short. He will definitely transfer after the season is over. He should have never been brought in. He could have been starting at a less competitive school, like UTEP, Tulsa, New Mexico, New Mexico State, or Texas State. Hope Case, Garrett, and Conner have a better football experience elsewhere. I’m sure they’re good kids.

If the coaches said to anyone that 8-4 is the high water mark, that is deeply troubling. Imagine a Stoops or Saban saying that. Of course , Mack already complained about the big 12 schedule that had him playing OU and OSU back to back. (Of course we were playing OSU at home for the second straight year). The head coach’s mentality seeps into the team.

Not surprised Case was upset about allocation of snaps— he’s a competitor, but expressed himself the wrong way. Ash did nothing on the filed to earn the lion’s share.

Forgot one question, JS: Any chance LHN finds a major provider before KU?

TKO- not to beat a dead horse, but Mack’s actions after the 2003 season (i.e. if you fire Davis then I quit) point to him having more loyalty to a buddy than the program. If there was ever a time that boat rocking made sense it was after a season when we were blown out by OU and looked like absolute crap in our mid-tier bowl game.

In my opinion we should only recruit kids with size and strength that at least approach NFL skill sets

So you would prefer we recruit more Garret Gilberts and fewer Colt McCoy’s?

Del Barns is James Brown, we better get him.

Ash has less running ability than GG. He runs ok when he gets his shoulders lowered, but his lower leg strength causes ankle tackles in the backfield.

0-8 on the deep routes and 3 turnovers is not progress. Ash has got to do better than that.

If i were Harsin, i would install Ash’s high school pass plays, put him in the spread like he played in high school, let him get comfortable, a little confidence goes a long way in developing a Qb.

Case will get plenty of action next game.

Maybe Greg Davis would like to tutor the Qb’s, he isnt doing anything right now is he?

I for one don’t fault Case for being pissed off about losing playing time or getting taken off the field. I’m sure from his perspective he is getting a raw deal. I think his attitude more than anything shows that he is confident and competitive. DKR himself that he preferred player who had their “chests puffed up and their jaws stuck out”. For that I give Case a pass.

However, for refusing to go into a game when called and any influencing of others to sour on the coaches I say SHAME. That I can find a big fault with. I am glad that Harsin dealt with it, and I hope whatever rottenness has been clipped at the bud. There is no place on the team for that.

Going forward I hope to see Case get some snaps and do his best when called.

Well put TKO. When your coaching staff goes 25-2 over a 2 year span, plays for an MNC and should have played for 2 consecutive MNCs, you don’t go wholesale firing of coaches. When those same coaches went 5-7, Mack promptly cleaned house and brought in what was all hope and think is an excellent coaching staff. I hated Greg Davis as much as the next Horn fan, but Mack’s actions have been at least defensible if not completely appropriate.

“Ash has less running ability than GG”

You know Ash isn’t #6, right?

I know i’m gonna look dumb but i’ve seen for sometime now people refer to the National Championship game as ‘MNC’…..WTF is the ‘M’ in ‘MNC’?!

I do not care if Case feels like he is getting a raw deal. If he ever acts like that again he should be tossed from the team immediately. That kind of attitude can be cancerous in the locker room and no one player is important enough for that.

Mythical National Championship?

MNC = Mythical National Championship

I need one of you anonymous hacker types to make that games that are on TLN available online.

Dumb,

It is referred to as “Mythical” because the National Championship Trophy is awarded without the credentials of a traditional championship (not having won a bona-fide system of playoff games).

If people are going to compare Ash to Colt, you have to use freshman Colt.

@55f100tx, I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with just about everything you said. I don’t think we can speak of Del Barnes in the same breath as James Brown, arguably one of the top 5 to 7 QB’s the University of Texas has ever had. I’m assuming that comparison was based on the fact that both guys were around 6 foot tall and black? I do agree with your 0-8 deep route statement. I do not agree that you take a genius offensive scheme and change that to suit a freshman quarterbacks comfort level. I can’t even believe you suggested we bring in Greg Davis to coach our young quarterbacks! Lol. What makes you think that he would be better than two college quarterbacks teaching him? Even more than that, what makes you think he even deserves to cash a check as a college football coach?

If you’re going to run with this “Case wins games” line, please amend it to say:

“Case wins games, but won’t go back in if we’re losing big to our arch-enemy.”

Ass. Bench. Sit. Stay.

What coyote said.

And even then, I’m not sure it would be a fair comparison, given the offensive line Colt was playing behind his freshman year.

Colt’s sophomore year was spent behind a much inferior o-line, and I think that is what really helped him develop his running ability. He spent all of his sophomore year running for his life, learning how to escape and extend plays. We were lucky that we still had enough talent and experience at other spots to keep winning. And OSU and A&M weren’t nearly as good as they are now.

In some ways, we greatly benefited from Colt’s trials his sophomore year because he learned so much from the experiences of his first two years. Comparing Ash to Colt right now isn’t an apples to apples comparison.

Personally, I don’t know if Ash is a true run threat or not, but he does seem to show a bit of slipperiness that Colt had. I, for one, am willing to give him some time before I try to pigeonhole him.

Of course, I realize I’m one of the more rational posters on this blog, too. So there you go

In 06 Colt rushed 68 times for 170 yds (2.5 avg). His passing completion percentage was 68.2, with 29 tds and 7 ints.

In 07 Colt rushed 114 times for 492 yds (4.3 avg) His passing dropped slightly to 65.1% completions with 22 tds and 18 ints.

Then, recall……when he was a Jr. he really hit his stride.

Ash is going to be much more comfortable in the second half of the season and his numbers will reflect that. Sometimes hindsight is the only accurate sight there is. Unless he just melts down I’ll reserve judgement until his complete stats are in.

It is referred to as "Mythical" because the National Championship Trophy is awarded without the credentials of a traditional championship (not having won a bona-fide system of playoff games).

Oh I understand fully the meaning behind the ‘Mythical’ tag….I just never knew thats what the ‘M’ was for. Thanks

If Case actually did refuse to enter the OU game, he’s toast. That isnt’ simply a young mistake. That’s telling you what he’s made of. If (and i say if) he did that, he needs to be removed from the University of Texas. That’s below our standard. If you’re privileged to wear the burnt orange and white uniform with “Texas” blazed across the front, when you’re told to go step on the field against OU or the Aggies, no isn’t an option. The only thing crossing your mind should be “awesome. I’m getting the chance to go kick OU/Aggie ass on this next play.” Kids dream of getting to do that their whole lives. Few actually get the opportunity. Anyone who does who says “no thanks coach” should be off the team. Immediately. That’s poison.

So we have a very average QB on our team that is seen on TV throwing a fit when taken out against ISU and being lectured on the sideline by his head coach. He follows that up the next week by actually refusing to go into a game against OU and some of you are actually saying he deserves to start. WTF people?

What he deserves is to have his ass parked no higher than second place on the depth chart and nothing more.

Instead, this is what our head coach says to the AAS today, according to Cedric Golden:

“When Brown decided last week to shelf the two-quarterback system, he said Ash’s performance against Oklahoma had earned him the chance to be a full-time quarterback against Oklahoma State. As it turns out, last week’s output — 139 passing yards, no touchdowns, three turnovers — wasn’t enough to guarantee another start following the bye week.

After spending an hour with Brown on Tuesday, it’s obvious that McCoy is back in play.

“Our quarterback situation will stay competitive, like all the others,‘’ Brown said. "We will look at it. All we are trying to do is beat Kansas and get better. So when you ask where it is, if we feel like a different combination of both, or a different starter, is going to help us win (against) Kansas, we’ll do that."

Way to send a message, Mack! I’m sure David Ash is encouraged to know his hard work and positive attitude don’t merit any consideration. So it’s all right to be a self-serving, pussy rubbing prima donna at a position that requires more leadership than any other. And from a coach’s son, no less! But hey, he said he was sorry so he’s back in the mix as a potential starter. Why would any of his teammates or the coaching staff trust him now? Entitlement is still alive and well on the 40 Acres, as someone else pointed out. This guy is a cancer, plain and simple. He couldn’t kiss the bottom of his brother’s shoes if he was standing tiptoe on top of Mount Bonnell. If he takes a snap against Kansas in anything other than mop up duty, then we’ll know for sure that Mack is the same old Mack.

All that typed, thanks JS for the report. The news about Thompson and Edmond is welcome and has been a long time coming, IMO. My prediction is still 8-4 with the two losses most likely against KSU, as usual, and probably the Aggroids. Baylor isn’t all that. They are a one man team (although he’s very good) with no defense.

I think people need to step back from the ledge on the QB situation. Both Case and Ash suck right now, plain and simple. Coaches played Ash last week because Case needed an attitude adjustment. That seems logical to me given that they both equally sucked against OU. This whole QB situation is the result of giving Gilbert one last chance to figure it out. If Gilbert transfers during the summer, Ash and McCoy get more snaps and Ash gets more of the playbook early on. That would have at least allowed a fairer comparison. As it stands now, I will reserve my judgment until after the Tech game.

I think we are all going crazy on who is better at this and that, primarily because our QB’s, for the last 7-8 years, have carried this team. I think people need to start realizing that the ability for our QB to carry a team will become less and less important. What will be important is his ability to be versatile; throw the long ball one play, run a statue of liberty play, then hand it off to the RB on the third play. IMO, Harsin’s O requires versatility sprinkled with enough QB mental ability to checkout of plays, audible, and take care of the ball. Right now that is a combination of Ash and McCoy. As Jesus and others have pointed out, Ash has the physical and the upside potential in the mental ability department. Case definitely has the better acumen, but he was not gifted in the physical space. I don’t doubt Ash is spending quality time in the film room and with Harsin developing his mind. Case needs to spend an equal amount of time with Wylie getting stronger and with Harsin on his foot work. His older brother was able to improve, and I think Case is too. And I hope whatever happens, Case stays. He would be one injury away, is a good kid, and is still well liked in the locker room.

That said, the bigger concern for me is the O and D line. We have no pass protection, and our D line is basically getting man handled and not able to pressure. I would give the D Line a pass except that they are all veterans for the most part. No excuses. Hopefully the Asset is right about Corch Davis kicking their ass. As for the O, how the heck is any QB supposed to throw when they whiff coverage and allow no less than 2 DL/LB’s in the back field on every pass play?

Cam Newton
VY
Tebow
Leinart

Yeah, I’d say history shows that people are spot-on to be really focused on who our QB is.

“And I hope whatever happens, Case stays. He would be one injury away, is a good kid, and is still well liked in the locker room.”

Really? Are you sure about that? If so, how? A guy who puts his own feeling s above what his coaching staff feels is best for the team and does so in the most public of ways not once but twice wouldn’t be well liked in any locker room I’ve ever been in.

Oh and JS—-any chance of Scip doing post mortems anythime soon on the OSU game? I’ve missed reading those this week.

55f100tx = brad mccoy

Is this Hornfans??

Oh Crap,

IF Case did indeed refuse to play against OU, and IF (as you say) he remains “well liked in the locker room,” we have a big — BIG — problem on our hands in that locker room. IF those are both true, we have a bunch of girl scouts in that locker room.

So I hope neither of them are true. But if Case did do that, I hope his teammates forcefully administer the proper players-to-player discipline. Leave the coaches out of it.

“"+1 on wishing all the whinny bitches on here would move to some other blog. I’m plain sick of reading it. And yes I am trying to skip it but you guys won’t go away."

i find it ironic that there are as many whiny bitches like you as there are people whining about mack…"

this

1776: Or: Matt Flynn, Greg McElroy, Chris Leak. You can probably add Jarrett Lee or AJ McCarron to that list by the end of this season.

The college QB position is crucial, but as a result the kids probably get far more run than they should. See: Heisman. Tebow, Young and Newton were all three athletic freaks at the position, and Leinart was surrounded by them at USC.

But the thing all 9 names on this list have in common? Top ranked defenses, all of which featured numerous future NFL players. For all of the highlights we remember from the 4 on your list, their real strength was avoiding crucial turnovers and moving chains — same as my five. The fate of Texas football does not ride on Ash’s shoulders.

JaLo: In Mack’s defense, if you’re telling everyone that it’s all about that week’s practice across the board, then you have to be consistent with that message. Also, if you’re trying to fix a Case-like problem at more than one position (and it seems that we are), then there has to be some carrot in there as well. If Ash is getting 80% of the prep reps, but Case is being given a second chance that the coaches feel he’s earned, then the message, to me at least, seems to be appropriate. A price will be paid for bad attitude, but you can earn your way back into the fold if you can admit the mistake and rectify it.

We still don’t know the entire story here. Last week we had just enough data to create a speculative feeding frenzy, and this week we have just enough data to justify last week’s revelation. Perhaps both QBs had some issues, but Case was by far the most egregious. Maybe Case went above and beyond in his apology. Maybe Colt and/or Brad slapped some sense into him. We just don’t know.

I am not defending Case. I am simply pointing out that the information we have, while it doesn’t look good, remains limited, with frustrated speculation filling the gaps. Mack, for all his faults, is not going to surrender a locker room based on a personal affection/animus for a particular player. No one’s that stupid at this level (well, except maybe Leach).

I saw Mad Dog leading the team on the field of the OSU game.

No you didn’t.

Mad Dog was, disappointingly, still at the front of the team as they waited in the tunnel.

But when it was time to enter the field, that Tub-O-Goo was quickly passed by our actual S&C coach, Wylie. It’s hard to lead when you waddle.

Mad Dog may have led the team at the buffet line later, though.

Jake:

I might tap the breaks a bit — my theory is that Harsin/Applewhite suspended McCoy for the game — but didn’t announce it so as to keep the blow up in-house, save him some public embarrasement (and hopefully preserve the one fucking backup QB we have for the rest of the season).

Let’s wait and see who takes the most snaps against Kansas before we assume the worst.

Jesus/Tipsy/Highwayman/Scipo,

In your opinion who is a take between Del Barnes and Jalen Overstreet? I took a look at there numbers from there junior year and this is what I found.

Barnes: 2,539 yards, .664 completion percentage, 26 TD’s, 6 INT’s, 57 rushing yards
Measurables: 5’-11" 170 lbs, 4.6 forty

Overstreet: 1,900 yards, 28 TD’s, 4 INT’s, 60 carries, 700 rushing yards, 16 TD’s
Measurables: 6’-2" 207 lbs, 4.51 forty

We are assuming Ash or Brewer will pan out as a QB, and if McCoy doesn’t transfer, then Barnes or Overstreet will most likely be converted to another position. If McCoy does transfer then Barnes or Overstreet both seem to be adequate insurance policies at QB, but the rushing yards to me say that Overstreet is the better athlete. Also Overstreet looks like a grown ass man, whereas Barnes looks to be pretty slight in stature. Overstreet has the size of a prototypical saftey, and also speed. Barnes appears to have the prototypical size of a corner, but not the speed. Overstreet has a hand full of offers including Michigan and Barnes has none. I only know what I see on film about these guys but to me Barnes isn’t an athlete, but I think he’ll make a good lower level FBS QB, and I think Overstreet has the athleticism to be a big time saftey at Texas, or a running threat at QB.

JS, what’s up with the no Q&A today? I’m not sure who that dchorn person is, but it’s not me. I’m absolutely sure it’s been said before, but there’s no way Case gets a scholly if his last name’s anything other than McCoy. he’s the last one that should be having any type of entitlement mentality.

@Jake Longerhans

Don’t take the Golden article and Mack’s quotes literally. Mack often tells the media and fans what they want to hear.

Kellen Moore will set the all time wins record this year overtaking Colt McCoy by next week.

Here’s something for Case McCoy…..shut your mouth, earn the teams respect, and win your spot. Has anyone who has ever transferred from Texas made it to the pros?

As for Harsin, he developed Kellen Moore. I think he knows what to recognize and how to develop a QB.

Once you are down to 2 QBs, getting rid of one of the QBs in mid season becomes a problem.

Re: QB recruiting, Texas high school football is dominated by the spread and it is common for the best or 2nd best athlete on the team to be the spread QB. For QB, let’s recruit these dual purpose QBs (Mykk, Onyegbule, etc) who can not only play QB but are athletic enough to switch to DB or LB or WR, if need be. They are also great as the wild QB rather than guys who can only play QB. There are a lot of advantages to a QB who can run really well even if he is just an average passer. Having a wild QB who is not only an outstanding runner but can also can throw some is a quantum leap addition to the wild formation, making it much tougher to defend.

It takes little time to get dual purpose QBs ready to play wild QB and you are much less likely to recruit a guy who transfers if he doesn’t win the starting QB job. This means that depth at QB becomes much less of a problem. With a dual purpose QB, it becomes much easier to construct a good running attack that facilitates play action passing. This means that the OL does not have to be a good pass blocking unit to have a solid, run oriented offense. It is easier and takes less time to construct a good run blocking OL than it does to construct a good pass blocking OL.

T Man please don’t refer to playing against A&M in those reverent terms reserved for OU. We are not worthy as that type of hatred needs to be reserved for your rivals.
HTH.
BTW I said the Vegas line of 8 wins was easy money as OU, OSU and A&M were unwinable which meant you had to fade UCLA,ISU (nicely done) along with KSU ,BU, and MU ( unlikely to get 2 of those 3). 7-5 is the way it shapes up.

A couple of questions:

• We’ve played the run pretty well the last 2 games, with the exception of 3 horrible plays. With the talk about Davis getting on the DL about run fits, is it possible that it was the DT and not Hicks that took the wrong gap on the long OSU TDs?

• Was impressed with White’s one catch last week, was hoping that was a sign of good things to come. Nothing to get excited about then?

If Case really did all of that vs ISU and then refused to go in vs OU, if he starts or even gets 50% of the snaps, we’ll know who still calls the shots and I won’t be least bit surprised. Any other coach would have moved him to 3rd string or lower, if even half of that stuff is true.

At least he doesn’t handle the running back recruiting anymore, right? wtf.

Aggie Lurking -

No, we’ll nurture our white-hot hatred of all things aggy for the rest of this year, since you very much remain our rival through 2011. it’s 2012 that we quite giving a shit.

8-4 for both teams, which given pre-season hype will make me happier than just about any other realistic outcome.

So then, Case was officially on “Timeout” after the OU game. That speaks negatively about his character and lack of self-control! Or, maybe he’s just a kid, who doesn’t know how to keep his emotions in check? For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq0Eld6RoYE

Here, let me google that for you …

Jesus, the idiots over on the following site http://texas.247sports.com/Board/21/Latest-Practice-Report-From-Jesus-5004150/1 are bashing you brother. But, they’re just a bunch of @ssholes, who are jealous of your writing skills. Keep up the great work.

Is this Hornfans?

I haven’t had any spyware install attempts from the banner ads and pop-ups on this site, so I’m gonna have to say no. Though the warning on this thread about not dwelling on the past did flash me back some years to the time Mack and Sally broke bread with Hornfans leadership in what turned out to be a highly successful measure to mute the “parrots” on that site.

Wasn’t there a rumor that Case refused to play in Kansas State game last year?

Someone call Harsin right now and tell him to book a flight to Indiana! Check this out:

Columbus (Ind.) East five-star quarterback Gunner Kiel called Indiana coach Kevin Wilson on Thursday night and told him he’s reevaluating his commitment to the Hoosiers program.

The 6-foot-4, 218-pound Kiel committed to Indiana back in July over a national offer list from the likes of Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Michigan, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Stanford, TCU, Tennessee, USC and Wisconsin.

"I’m just reevaluating my decision and plan on taking some future visits to other colleges," Kiel told 247Sports on Friday morning.

A future U.S. Army All-American, Kiel added that he could take all five of his official visits before making a college decision. Whichever school he chooses, he plans to enroll early and begin classes in January.

Ranked as the nation’s top pro-style passer and No. 12 recruit overall, Kiel passed for 2,645 yards and 36 touchdowns as a junior. He threw just six interceptions and also rushed for seven more scores. Through nine games this fall, Kiel is 90-for-160 passing, for 1,710 yards and 20 touchdowns to just two interceptions. Columbus East is 8-1 heading into the state playoffs.

For all of the Mack haters:
I’m pretty sure that all of you would’ve called for the coach’s head at a certain University back in 1992. After all, he had taken a perennial power and finished out of the top 10 for (gulp) 4 years in a row. They’d been blown out in 5 bowls in a row. Their season record had at least 3 losses or ties for 3 years in a row. Clearly he didn’t know what he was doing…..until they won 3 MNC’s (and almost a fourth) in the five years after that. Get a grip people…

Steve, torre, I hear ya. I just didn’t see much upside in what Mack said as far as it relates to the guy who has gone quietly about his business and taken his punishment against OU and then improved the next week against another top 5 team—-not that he doesn’t need to improve more—-as opposed to the one who has done quite the opposite. He could just as easily have said David would start against Kansas and we’d go from there.

It leaves me pretty cold, but I’ll tap the brakes as you suggested and wait and see. It would be a travesty, after the competition Ash has faced the past two weeks, to see Case trotted out there against a clearly inferior opponent in spite of his indefensible behavior. As I posted, if that happens, then we’ll know who is still making the decisions.

I’ll take my solace from The Jesus’ report that Ash is still getting 80% of the practice snaps.

With the Big12 being stronger this year, 7 wins will be a real challenge. We must win Kansas and Tech. Mizzou is on the road and will be a toss up. KSU can beat us and so can Agy. Baylor will be a close one because they can all score points faster than we can at this point. This team has a long way to go the next few weeks.

G.O.F., the information as to OU, along with what I saw with my own eyes against ISU, seems pretty complete to me.

I take no issue with anything alse you posted.

If we are 7-4 going into the game at farmville

If we are, it will be a miracle, since A&M is our 11th game, meaning that we’ll be somewhere between 8-2 and 4-6 at that point. If we have 7 wins, we’ll be 7-3. I look for us to be 5-2 after the KU game, so the likely worst case come T-day is 5-5, but I think we can take Tech and Mizzou, if not KSU, so I’m leaning toward 7-3. If we already knew, there would be no point in playing.

I agree that refusing to go in is an entirely different prospect. And if that is what happened, then he can ride pine or transfer. I’m just not sure that is exactly what went down. I wasn’t there. What gives me pause, and lets me give Case the benefit of the doubt, is that I can see the exact opposite happening as well; Case wanting to go in but the coaches telling him no and him pouting because of it (ala Vince).

1776: Those were all world QB’s who don’t come around very often. We got lucky by getting two back to back. But I think you missed my point. My point is that this Harsinwhite offense does not have to rely on having a super great QB Vince Young or Cam Newton to work. It just needs someone who can deliver the ball where the play needs it to go and to not turn the ball over. If we have another VY or Colt or Cam on campus, then so much the better.

G.O.F.: Well said and I agree completely.

Sorry to skew off topic, but I found this while catching up on my science headlines:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111020145054.htm

In the first paragraph notice the reference to “University of Texas A&M”
It jumped out at me, and I laughed. Boycott?

The story itself is cool, too. We must recognize what Tamu does well. They ARE a fine research institute.

What is there about our football and basketball programs that attract emotional lace doilies?

I find it hard to believe Case is still on the team regardless of the fact that would leave Ash as the only QB. If it were up to me he would have been let go Monday after the game. No way Stoops puts up with that attitude.

Curly, must not be as bad as the rumors have it.

Case was fully involved on the sideline during the OK St game. Mack wanted to see what Ash could do. I dont think there is anymore to it than that.

Kafta, i agree 100% with you on the duel threat Qb’s.

Good people,

If you’re going to persist in referring to our treatment by OU as a form of rape, I think you need to clearer about the specific form that rape took.

Some say “assrape.” Others, “face rape.” Yet assrape is quite a bit different from face rape, even on a football field.

I guess you could make the case that OU assraped and face raped the Longhorns, but even then it’s important to specify the sequence. Assrape followed by face rape is somewhat more disgusting, for reasons I imagine are plain, than face rape followed by assrape.

My own opinion, for what it’s worth, is that OU did not engage in any form of rape, but merely spanked its monkey in humiliating fashion in front of Bevo, concluding in a public human—> animal bukkake unsightly to Texas fans and unseemly to the historic rivalry: a stain on the burnt orange escutcheon and one we’ll need years to scrub away.

You can’t rape the willing. Mack willingly takes OUs punishment.

Shuttlesworth saves the best for last, some of yall might need to re read it.

Fellache Me
Spot on about the new reports from the Liability (Gideon). After watching last weeks game it became obvious to me that the Liability had indeed purchased the pics of Mack with the goat from GD GD. Let’s hope they are not up for sale next year.

stuckinmn –

Sorry for the late reply. This far down the thread you may not even see it. You make a good point about Mack’s actions after the 2003 season, but even there I think it’s more a matter of him having a thin skin and not wanting to have his decisions second-guessed (i.e. no one’s going to tell me what to do with my staff), rather than wanting to protect his friend that he knew was incompetent at the expense of the university. And I think at the time Mack actually believed Greg was a competent OC despite some fairly obvious evidence to the contrary.

TKO, Greg Davis for all his warts put points on the scoreboard. Lots of them. He also was the perfect coach for VY, i cannot name another coach who would have worked with Young the way he did. Way to much ego in other coaches for that job.The proof is in the NFL pudding. Got us a MNC. Honestly we can hope Harsin finds the endzone as many times as Greg Davis Did.

55 – GD had his moments but he also had far too many gaffs to stick around. Proof was definitely in the pudding – Davis’ phone wasn’t exactly ringing off the hook with job offers, he’s still unemployed, and he was the laughing stock of our conference’s OCs (VY MNC excepted). How many DC’s did we go through?

If the Case “tapout” story is close to accurate, and the source has earned enough credibility with me to believe that it is, the kid doesn’t get on the field the rest of the season unless Ash is forced off due to injury or to repair equipment or something. Even then, I’d almost rather we run the wildcat until Ash is ready to go back in rather than see Case take the field with the rest of the TRUE Longhorns.

If you have a problem, there’s a proper way to handle it. That’s in a meeting behind closed doors with any coaches you think you have a problem with.
NOBODY, the QB least of all, is openly and publicly insubordinate. EVER. If there was going to be such a time to do that, which there isn’t, it damn sure wouldn’t be during the OU game.

Case needs to spend the rest of the season making amends and demonstrating he can be a team player if he has any interest in being a Longhorn.
At the end of the season, depending on how well he does that, consideration can then be given as to whether or not he begins next season with a clean slate.

If David Ash hadn’t “…done anything to demonstrate why he deserves the position over Case.” up to that point, he damn sure demonstrated it when he took the field against OU when Case refused. If that was the ONLY way Ash demonstrated it, it was plenty.

This time last year, David Ash was poppin’ zits in the cafeteria and bitchin’ about what they were trying to pass off as burritos for lunch that day.
Life is a bit more complicated for him these days. Is it unreasonable to wait until maybe the kid is at least 19 or 20 before writing him off as a failure.

New coaches, new offense, new defense, and more than a couple of very talented 18 year-olds starting and playing have lost only to what may be the best team in the nation and what may be the best team Oklahoma State has ever had.
The standard of excellence some people want to hold this program to isn’t just unrealistic, it’s impossible. Not this program, or any other program, has ever met that standard, and no program ever will.

Sign me up for that app mentioned earlier, and somebody create one that will keep track of those trying to make a case for firing Mack Brown right now. It will create a handy reference for next season when this team is a year older and add the most prolific RB in the history of Texas High School football to the mix. And again the following year when M. Brown and the rest of this year’s 18 year-olds are Juniors beginning their 3rd year under these coaches and the systems they’re installing now.
Talk to me about “rape” after Brown and Gray get through wearing out the turf in the Cotton Bowl against OU in 2013.
Even money says Stoops decides to “move on to new challenges” rather than coach against that team.

Quite frankly, if you can’t see how much better this team is going to be in the very near future…
Quit posting.

“Quite frankly, if you can’t see how much better this team is going to be in the very near future…
Quit posting.”

Wow does this sound familiar or what? How many times have we heard this from the sunshine pumpers. 14 years later and we have 2 conference titles to show for it ( could have easily been one).
Meanwhile Stoops is raping the conference almost every year. I’m just appalled that this is acceptable to so many Horn fans.
Can’t wait to hear the excuses next year. We going to use the “young” excuse again or are we going to be more creative?

In most families the oldest child tries to be perfect, the second is a rebel, not at all like the first. So Colt sacrifices all for the team and plays without ego. Case is another matter. I think most of us thought Case would be like Colt. No, he is more like we should have expected. The daddy? I think all of us fathers tend to think our children are right but in this case it is not good for the team.

Case will be playing against Kansas.

“Even money says Stoops decides to "move on to new challenges" rather than coach against that team.”

Stoops (much younger than Mack and doing quite well at OU) will most likely be coaching at OU longer than Mack is coaching at UT.

“Quite frankly, if you can’t see how much better this team is going to be in the very near future…
Quit posting.”

I guess it depends on your definition of very near future. This year I think it is very improbable that this team does better than 8 and 4, more likely goes 7 and 5. Given that Harsin and Diaz are both hotshots, there is a real good chance that they get a head coaching gig somewhere if they do well at Texas. So we’ll be starting over to replace those guys pretty soon. That will impact progress. If they don’t do well at Texas, then we’ll see a new head coach sooner rather than later. No matter what, Mack is 60 years old and isn’t going to be coaching too many more years.

Predicting the future is difficult. In any event, just because somebody disagrees with you about the future doesn’t mean they should stop posting.

A scholarship to play football is tantamount to being paid to perform a service for the schollie – which is play football for the school. In the real world, if you refuse to do your job, you will be fired.
Case closed!

Unlike Greg Davis, Harsin and Diaz will be hired by someone else to HC within 3-4 years. Right when we get things going, they’ll be gone.

Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, and Missouri have decided to ditch the Big 12—-and rumors are getting stronger that OU and OSU are much further along that path than anyone realizes.

And even though I live in Travis County, I can’t watch the Horns play Kansas on TV, even if I’m willing to pay for it.

So, gee, Deloss. Are you going to extend offers to Lake Travis and Cibolo Steele to join the Big 12 now? I’m just curious how much fiddling our so-called leaders are willing to do while Rome burns.

How do you think Nick Saban or Bob Stoops would have handled an insubordination from a player?

‘Case closed’

I see what you did there.

Wondering how more revered hardass coaches would have handled Case’s insubordination is a fair question, but I’d imagine there’s a fair bit of realpolitik in play given the fact that our other backup QB options are the Fozzcat or a true freshman safety recruit.

Even money says Stoops decides to "move on to new challenges"

I’d not be hugely surprised to see him move back to his home state, particularly if he ends the $EC stranglehold on the Xtal Ball this season.

Case will be playing against Kansas.

If the story is true, I hope not.

Predicting the future is difficult.

By definition, you can’t “pre-dict” anything BUT the future.

I can’t watch the Horns play Kansas on TV

Depends on what you mean by “TV”. I’ve watched every game so far either in person or on “TV”, and I don’t have cable or satellite, just a DSL internet connection. Someone who does have “TV” has streamed all the games and they were pretty easy to find – some people here or on another Hornsforum posted links, as well. As far as I’ve seen, the image has been pretty damn good, too. If you want to blame someone for your cable service not picking up LHN, blame ESPN and your cable service – DeLoss doesn’t have a whole lot to say about how ESPN handles business. For the record, I’m not too fucking happy with ESPN, either.

Scenarios for Case have been discussed ad nauseum. The arms raised in disgust when he was removed against ISU, were apparent. It was also apparent that he was being publicly insubordinate to Mack on the sideline during that game. That kind of crap cannot be tolerated, under any circumstances.

If he refused to follow instructions (orders) and go in when called upon during OU, that would be ‘it’ for me, if I were the coach. That’s not simple entitlement, but a young man who is self-serving, spoiled, and disrespectful.

Consequences from the coaches from the first incidents should be severe. Following the alleged OU temper tantrum and subsequent reported locker room incidents, his scholarship should be carefully evaluated to see if renewal is in the team’s best interest. If the allegations are true, it should not be.

Brad McCoy, as a head coach, should be the first to understand the issues. I doubt that he would allow it on his own team.

What if the whole damn story about Case is fabricated ? If only some of that stuff that has been thrown out there on Case were true, he would be gone, so obviously most of it isnt true.

 Nothing worse than a bitch who eats her own puppies.

Obviously, Case will get the start against Kansas and will proceed to set a single game record for passing TD’s, after which he will go on to start the rest of the games this year and lead Texas to a 10-2 record while mounting a historic turnaround Heisman campaign. Texas will win the Fiesta Bowl and will convince the nation that they will be 2012 national title contendors for the fifth time with a McCoy at the helm. Anyone who doesn’t see the signs of these inevitable evnts is a damn blind fool. Hook Em, bitches.

While Rome burns, Nero fiddles…

Here’s the line on your coordinators:
I’ll lay 2 to 1 Diaz gets a call from Arizona. I’ll give even money he and Harsin both get contacted (assuming of course if the 1st one contacted accepts the wager would be off).

Bill Byrne’s son will at a minimum try and ruffle a few feathers of his Dad’s friends in Austin.

Can’t you just get Bennie Wylie to lock him in a cupboard?

The problem is, mutiny from one player is insidious. The other team members look to see what the authority figures do and they take note.

I personally think if he plays one single down for the rest of the season, the team moral will go down and respect for the coaches will be diminished.

Nobis60 had a point. Well, what if Ash goes down, who will back him up? Without sounding flippant, I don’t care if you put a defensive tackle at QB, the insurgent cannot ever play again this year and his schollie should be pulled.

Does anyone have any idea — did Flowers, Thompson or Edmond get any snaps at all vs. OSU? I thought the complete omission of Flowers and Edmond was pretty odd. I understand that Thompson has been cross training at QB and S, but still curious that he never saw the field even though Texas rolled with four safeties for a large portion of the game.

Hope they all truly excel in this two week span.

@drslonghorn, thanks for picking up on my “The Liability” humor! It floors me to think Gideon is a 4 year starter in the defensive backfield for the University of Texas! Is there really not one or a hundred guys out there that are better options at safety? He surely purchased the Mack/goat photos from GDGD before his departure!

@Aggie Lurking -

Not surprisingly, much like many or your farmville brethren, you display a lack of knowledge about the business of college sports. Neither Harsin nor Manny Diaz are going to UA.

Texas has the highest paid assistant coaches in college football after overtaking last year’s leader, Alabama. The highest paid assistant at UA made only $230,000 last year, about 1/3 of what Harsin and Diaz get paid. As you have found out (the hard way by paying the average for Big 12 schools and about half of what the top national programs) trying to pay discount prices to field a college football program results in a team that ends up at about 2 games over .500.

Mike Stoops made $1.2 last year and his assistant coaches (who largely drive recruiting) made (on average) just below the midpoint of the Pac 12 average salary. Why would Harsin or Diaz take a step backward to work for a school that has displayed a questionable commitment to providing the resources necessary to build a top tier program? Hell, they wouldn’t have to go to Arizona to take a step back like that. All they would have to do is go to College Station if that was the direction they wanted to take their careers.

Farmville got the Sherminapper and his band of .500 strategy experts simply because they didn’t want to make the commitment to bring in a top level coach. After his last raise, Sherm got bumped from $1.6 to $2.2mil/ yr. Mack makes $5mil/ yr. Gary Patterson at TCU makes $3mil/ yr. Sherm makes less than the coaches at Rutgers, Miss St. and Wake Forest. Kish (Interim Head Coach at Arizona) is making $400k/ yr.

Greg Byrne is going to make the same mistake at Arizona his dad has made in Farmville – don’t pay what it takes to bring in the best and brightest and end up with a .500 football team.

Harsin wont leave for a long while, He will have to get the Offense back on top of its game before a job comes calling he cant turn down. Same with Diaz, the idea is to maximize your worth before moving on.

If a program like Arizona, who will have trouble finding candidates with much more attractive gigs available (UCLA, tOSU, UNC, PSU?), really wanted to think outside the box they would go after Major. Groomed in program building by Mack, and football operations by Saban/Muschamp. Probably the best recruiter in the state of Texas. Would he be able to build a staff?

Arizona will need to cast a wide net. Anyone interested in getting into the SoCal recruiting wars is going to prefer UCLA.

Al – The Pac is a pretty easy place to start out a head coaching career. I don’t think that either will take the job, but they could quite easily get calls from Byrne junior.

I quite regularly see my employer offer other firms’ staff roles to bump their competitors’ fixed costs. To the extent that A+M are / ever were in competition with UT, like Aggie Lurking, I would wager Byrne will do his pops a favour and pick up the phone.

While not on topic, A+M’s staff do pretty well in comparison to both the Big XII and the SEC. It helps having staff that don’t need the money of course – I would have thought that Sherm, Dat and Rossley are pretty happy where they are.

Love that OU loses to a far less talented team. All those Stoops worshipers please explain how that fits into his resume.

Anyone remember Colts freshman game in Lubbock against tech? He was skinny, weak, and didn’t have impressive arm strength BUT the kid showed he was a football player. Just win baby!!

Ash may have the intangibles but CASE is a football player. ((I agree, he was wrong refusing to go in against ou, but id rather give him a chance at redemption than watch ash’s mediocrity))

James Brown, arguably one of the top 5 to 7 QB’s the University of Texas has ever had

Sorry, wasn’t that sold on JB. Top five are VY, Colt, Bobby Layne (all retired jerseys), James Street (20-0, National Championship), and Marty Akins (AA, 10-2 as a senior – and Drew Brees’ uncle). JB is lumped in a shot group of four which includes Alan Lowry, Major, and Chris Simms. All of them were all conference, and besides, JB finished on a sour note, 8-5 as a senior. So, as high as 6, low as 9.

“Predicting the future is difficult.”

Fong the Merciless said:
“By definition, you can’t "pre-dict" anything BUT the future.”

What is your point?

“Harsin wont leave for a long while, He will have to get the Offense back on top of its game before a job comes calling he cant turn down. Same with Diaz, the idea is to maximize your worth before moving on.”

These are young, ambitious guys who want to be head coaches. If they get a good offer, it won’t be surprising if they take it. My guess is that get their respective units performing well sooner rather than later. There is no point waiting around because football is cyclic and if they wait too long, things may go down again.

Mack said this today in his presser:
“…in a time where we have so many selfish players and parents”

You have to think that was a pointed remark.

Mack said this

I would say it spoke of the team, past and present. We have had several transfer over the years due to lack of Playing time or position change. To their credit ,Cody and Fozzy didnt do that.

Houston newspaper reported yesterday Case is now getting 50% of the snaps. The audition for Qb goes on.

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