Boone Pickens Barry Switzer: Having Fun at Texas Expense

Don’t worry, I’m sure Mack laughed when he heard about it. Then told them that his only regret is that they can’t both win the national championship.

Switzer is SUCH a complete a-hole. He embodies all that drives my hatred for Oklahoma.

Would you rather Mack act like these buffoons?

Switzer suggested that Oklahoma State shouldn’t "beat them as bad as the Sooners did because we want to keep Mack Brown as coach — we want somebody that both of us can beat."

No more of Sally’s cookies for Barry… if Mack has a say in it. Hass Barry been in Austin “spying”? Paging Larry Lacewell…

Would you rather Mack act like these buffoons?

No, but the chasm between acting like these buffoons and getting blown out for the third time by your main rival then wishing for them to win the national championship is pretty wide.

I know a little about ole Boone, his money has been great for athletics at OSU but he doesn’t know the difference between a donation and an acquisition. He thinks himself an owner rather than a donor. He will be a pain in their ass until he is incapacitated. The OSU folks understand what they got into, but it was way too much money to pass on.

If I’m not mistaken, Texas has owned Okie St. for the last 12 or 13 years. So that statement is really empty coming from OSU. Horns have come from behind to beat Cowboys so many times it isn’t funny. When is the last time OSU has won anything—conference, or even the south conference??

Pretty stupid for Pickens to relay that conversation publicly if any of it was true.

no limit of douchebaggery and asshattery from north of the border…

Captain Douche Switzer and his Asshat croney Booney…

$165 million for one win. Great deal by Boone’s standards obviously.

F. Boone Pickens

The sad part is that neither of them is kidding. Their biggest fear is Mack leaving Texas.

Pickens and Switzer know more than most, and they’re right. Yeah, they’re a$$holes, and a little too brash for their own good, but the issue isn’t with them. I could care less about what Pickens and Switzer have to say, but it pisses me off that UT is in a position where such comments hit home.

You can buy your way out of a lot of things, but you can’t buy your way out of stupid.

Pretty stupid for Pickens to relay that conversation publicly if any of it was true.

Considering the combination of age and money, he does not care.

Sad but true…Mack is getting soft and his game plan against Ou was horrible. I know it wasn’t the case but it almost felt like the team didn’t even prepare for the land thieves.

OSU, like A&M, is getting a lot of cockiness out of a very short time of accomplishment. A&M will bail before their comeuppance. OSU won’t.

OU has earned their douchebaggery on the field and has been a better program than us over the years, but not by much.

Pickens is an ass for saying this publicly. Some of our fans are asses for agreeing with him.

It’s obvious to everyone but our fans and AD.

Oh, I look forward to being reminded how much Mack makes a year and how a 5-7 record is a poor return. Even better is the attitude that anybody disagrees with this or will be in anyway enlightened by its repetition.

Those guys weren’t joking, it’s the sad truth.

Mack took the year off last year but had no problem with cashing 100K checks weekly from the University. Now our rivals just want him to stay.

Pickens donates more to Texas than most, let that sink in.

Roma,

I usually agree w/ your comments, but come on.

One head coach has a 2-2 record in the conference championship game, while another has a 7-1 record.

Add in the fact that the coach w/ the 2-2 record has been at his position for 1 year longer, he came into a better situation (i.e., 1 year removed from a conference title), AND his position is w/ the flagship university of the state that produces the most talent in the nation.

No one being objective would say the 2-2 coach is better than the 7-1 coach.

The problem w/ Bellmont is that success is mainly defined in terms of how much money a coach can bring in, not in terms of championships.

Roma,

Do you believe that Switzer/Pickens would prefer to face Mack Brown or some other guy Texas deems worthy of $5 million a year?

Sadly, they are only partly joking. That is what makes it so frustrating.

Mack has shown this past year that he made the necessary changes to get us back on track. If we do not show remarkable improvement next year he needs to be retired though….

When the news came out that Mack wished the OU player that they’d go on to win the MNC, I immediately thought of the pic where he’s locked in arms w/ Switzer.

Mack has this weird affection for OU that is unbecoming of a Texas HC. Being classy & respectful is one thing, being wistful is something entirely different.

In contrast, Stoops wants to destroy Texas, which is the correct mentality when facing your biggest rival.

I forgot to add the 2-2 coach has a 5-8 record against his school’s biggest rival.

And need I mention the 2 worst losses to said rival?

Please Bog, can we leave off the Mack bashing in even ONE thread?
Can we skip the cut and paste moaning and bitching about the past, which is IN the past, can’t be undone no matter how much we gnash our teeth and groan?
We are in the NOW. Things aren’t great, but they look better. (They really do.)

Yeah, I should have joined that prof in his geology lab back in ‘70, but I didn’t. It all went downhill from there. Boo-fuckin’-hoo. It’s one thing for me to sit in the dark bemoaning my past failures and mope over lost opportunities. That’s my thing. I’ll just cradle my bottle of Wild Turkey and suck my thumb.
Then I come on here and see the same damn thing from too many of you. With me it’s pathetic enough, but it’s just annoying to watch so many of you keep pissing in the wind about what has been in Texas football.
A sunshine pumper I am not. I’m a world class pessimist. But what has been does not eat me as much as what can be excites me.
Jeesh. Rant finished.

Switzer was probably joking, Boone is a bit of an egomaniac. This is nothing more than the opinions of two men past their prime. Neither speaks officially for OU or OSU (except in their own minds) and it’s a little foolish to get worked up over anything those old spotlight seekers say.

So 55-17 never happened? This is what you get when you go 5-7 and admit to taking a year off while collecting millions.

thank you lurker. well said.

A thread addressing those statements is inevitably going to involve some debate as to their accuracy. The bottom line is that it should make Longhorn fans uncomfortable that our Okie rivals are giddily celebrating the continuation of our HC in his position

JoeTex,

You pretty much define why I said they were the better program than us. A counter of our number of wins per season prior to last year, BCS bowl performance, and consistent high ranking are what lessen the gap with OU, but they surely don’t close it.

Last Week, I don’t spend much time wondering or worrying about what the amusing slimeball Switzer thinks nor about Boone’s response to Switzer’s sychophantic messages. I think Mack deserved a chance to make the changes he made after 2010. Had he held fast to his staff, I would have supported forcing him out.

Newy, I am in the same camp as you. I won’t hang on to Mack until the ship capsizes, but I like to believe the holes have been patched in the hull and the vessel is gathering steam.

I heard that Mack is so pissed off about this that he’s having Sally bake the Switzer and Pickens families only 3 dozen cookies for Christmas instead of their customary 4.

What Lurker said.

Yes, MB’s underperformed/not earned the $5M/hasn’t beat OU/shown the step-on-the-throat mentality/rinse/repeat/rinse/cut/paste. Agreed.

What will happen to this 2011 team over the last half of the season? Can’t wait for it to play out because it’s NOT the same-ol’, same-ol’.

Oh yeah, and T. Boone is a rich old fart with his new plaything and Switzer is still Mayor Douche of Hicksville.

Roma,
If we haven’t capsized by now I would hate to see what one looks like. People are starting to lose interest just look at the capacity in the stadium this weekend should tell you all you need know about the health of the program.

Neat, lets have another 100 posts of self flagellation. Should be interesting reading.

Switzer maybe a douche, that doesn’t make him wrong. You like Pickens when he donates but not if he jokes about Mack?

“I heard that Mack is so pissed off about this that he’s having Sally bake the Switzer and Pickens families only 3 dozen cookies for Christmas instead of their customary 4.”

ha! Ahh, the ol’ Mack Brown “Merry Christmas and go fuck yourself”….don’t cross him…

Pickens is an ass for saying this publicly. Some of our fans are asses for agreeing with him.

Who agreed with Pickens?

I can not argue that Mack’s recent success has made the 5mm a horrible investment. So you can say Texas has wasted about 4-6mm on Mack between this year and last. Now if you look over Mack’s career and the value he has added to the 40 acres does anyone really think the investment in Mack has returned a negative ROI?

Fuck both of them!

lurker -

I fully agree that we are on the right track now. I disagree that Mack shouldn’t be confronted with upset alumni and fans for the current state of the program. The ill effects of his complacency are being felt now. At first it was said that complaining about the coaching, S&C, and recruiting direction was stupid while we were going 25-2 over two years. Now that those things have come home to roost, it’s stupid to complain while things are getting better.

That essentially gives a free pass from criticism for the problems. I spend a lot more time focusing on the positive direction, but ignoring what caused the issues entirely and just saying the past is the past isn’t productive, either, imo.

Lurker, how far in the PAST does it have to be, before it becomes unworthy of discussion? Cause that 55-17 asswhooping was only about 3 weeks ago.

Look, I’m not a Mack-hater. The man deserves a statue outside DKR for bringing us back from the abyss of 1997. And, given that he was willing to sacrifice a few friends last year, he deserves an honest shot to rebuild.

But those are pretty public comments by Pickens, and isn’t the purpose of this board to discuss the merits of opinions about Texas football?

When is the last time OSU has won anything–conference, or even the south conference??

Um, last season? It was a shared title but they were still South champs.

Dont think about the past? That was not what we did in 2007 after we won the whole thing. Dont think about the past are things Baylor/Aggy/ISU says, its what people who suck say.

Thanks for making me laugh, ag96. Of course you defend the glory of a three-way tie for first in a six team race. Great days, indeed! Who cares if you didn’t even go to the championship game to risk the glory of this acheivement?

Huck, I’d say a number of people on this thread seem to agree and some have said, “he’s right.” I addressed my comments to them. I’m done with this subject for the week.

Losing sucks. And so does hearing about it from teams that beat you. Although, I like to hear what people say when they are playing to different audiences or in a private email/conversation. It’s revealing.

Ultimately, winning is what matters. Despite Mack’s irritating tendency to muddle that message, he knows that if he doesn’t win enough, he’ll be replaced.

I’m not so sure what Switzer is so cocky about. He cheated to win in college and then helped fuck up the Cowboys. Didn’t this idiot get busted for having a gun while boarding a plane?

“I heard that Mack is so pissed off about this that he’s having Sally bake the Switzer and Pickens families only 3 dozen cookies for Christmas instead of their customary 4.”

Nordberg perfect as always.

To the rest, don’t have such thin skin. You have to take shit when you’re down.

Trust me. I know it all to well. My teams are A&M and Notre Dame.

I think we should have more conference wins than we do…but, i would not trade Mack for any other coach. Love the guy! but, I also think we don’t have any cut throat players on our team and it hurts us. We need guys with that killer instinct that OU, LSU, Bama, and some of the others have. We need to recruit kids with a bit more edge that take losing seriously.

Roma -

I still don’t get it. Pickens didn’t actually say anything other than that he got an email from Switzer. So what would anyone here be agreeing with him about, that he indeed got an email from the asshole? One guy said “they’re right” about Switzer and Pickens, but he would have to explain what he meant by that comment.

As for the actual comment by Switzer, it’s obviously right. Both Oklahoma and Oklahoma State can beat Brown. Of course, Brown can beat both Oklahoma and Oklahoma State so it was just a funny shit-talking story.

Talkin like these old chaps are doing is cheap. That’s why da Horns have to do their “talkin” on the field, where it really counts. And, I have a feeling da Horns are going to start making a loud statement from day forward.

We need guys that slap other guys hands out of the way when they try to help them up. We need guys that keep their foot on the pedal and don’t let up even if we are winning by 100 points. We need “no mercy” guys who have a bit of hate in them for the other team they are playing. Not slapping guys on the butt after they score a touch down on you.

Brutal if true. It probably is becuase as someone already pointed out, Pickens just doesn’t give a f***.

I’m still reeling from T. Boone’s observation that…

"Just get the same contract for everybody. Everybody’s equal," Pickens said. "If you’d have had that, you wouldn’t have lost the (Texas A&M) Aggies, you wouldn’t have lost Nebraska and Colorado and it looks like Missouri’s going. But it’s because things are not equal is what it is."

I’m sure Pickens constantly lobbies McConnell and other Washingtonians to make sure his competitors in the energy biz remain on an equal paying field. Because T. Boone’s always been such a champion of regulated economic parity, the greater good, and the common man.

What a mind-warping moment.

I heard that Mack is so pissed off about this that he’s having Sally bake the Switzer and Pickens families only 3 dozen cookies for Christmas instead of their customary 4.

A little passive-aggressive but don’t think that Switzer and T Boone won’t get the message loud and clear.

Everything is cyclical.
Both Okie schools are peaking at the moment.

“This too shall change.”

G.O.F. — People who may benefit if TBP opens his wallet are not going to criticize him for being a hypocrite. And as I posted earlier, he doesn’t care.

Personally, I think the classless comments from T. Boone & Barry will serve a useful purpose — to build a relentless resolve inside Mack to respond convincingly on the field, every year until Mack retires.

Otherwise, don’t expect Mack to participate in such a tasteless, public display of buffoonery. It’s not the way we do things at Texas.

Huck,

We’re reading these posts differently. The point people seem to “agree” with is that it’s good for OU and OSU to have Mack around because they can both beat him so easily that they can make public jokes about it. If you don’t see that, then we just read them differently. I’m surprised you even quibble about it, but maybe that just shows how far off I am.

Boone and OSU and A&M are making the most of Texas being down. They sometimes talk like the sun will shine forever and the hay will always be there for the making.

There, I’ve gone from nautical to pastoral imagery. Next, I may try something to do with asteroid orbits and their effect on the hopes of the Lannisters.

Personally, I think the classless comments from T. Boone & Barry will serve a useful purpose — to build a relentless resolve inside Mack to respond convincingly on the field, every year until Mack retires.

I laughed.

Boone and Barry are right. Mack has become the conference pinata

Personally, I think the classless comments from T. Boone & Barry will serve a useful purpose — to build a relentless resolve inside Mack to respond convincingly on the field, every year until Mack retires.

If being humiliated on national TV three times by scores of 63-14, 65-13, and 55-17 haven’t been enought to do it you’re dreaming to think an email is going to suddenly create a steely resolve within Mack to make an example of anyone when we play them.

Nunna, FTW. EXACTLY!

Mack did work for Barry for a season I believe there are some common coaches between Iowa State and Appalachian State.

Wow. No Asset. No Cigar. No Longhorn Scott. Only half a game preview. But my gosh do we have gossip and drama to talk about!! What a terrible week.

Wow, from some of these comments, you would think Mack’s number one ranked team just got beat at home by a 29 point underdog and had to play Connecticut to break a BCS Bowl losing streak.

People say we’re apathetic… but we don’t care.

Mack did work for Barry for a season I believe there are some common coaches between Iowa State and Appalachian State.

That’s true. Which makes it all the more interesting how little respect Barry has for him to have sent the email and then yuck it up when it’s publicly read. Of course this is the guy who slept with the wife of one of his coaches. Seeing as how he didn’t sleep with Sally I guess on a relative basis the email shows a high regard.

Did you ever think that maybe Pickens and Switzer are trying to rile Texas fans so the Texas fans will push to get rid of Mack? Maybe Pickens and Switzer are actually afraid of Mack and are maneuvering to get rid of him.

Or maybe it is just two old football guys who are openly contemptuous of Mack. Actually only TBoone was openly contemptuous, Switzer confined his contempt to a private email.

What is higher priority: giving Mack every chance to succeed in resurrecting the program or doing everything possible to hasten the recovery of the program even if it means retiring Mack sooner rather than later?

BTW, does T Boone remind anybody else of Monty Burns?

The funniest thing about all of this to me is the implication that Brown would somehow be in jeopardy with a blow-out loss to OSU. To which I say HA. We went 5-7 last year with losses to UCLA and Iowa St. The joke’s on you TBoone; your team played like shit for no reason!

OU has never won a national championship that they didn’t purchase. Even the 2000 national championship was won by players that John Blake “recruited.”

Switzer was fired from OU for looking the other way when his players raped coeds and sold cocaine in the dorms.

Pickens is a hypocrite.

Who really cares what these guys think? Texas will be back on top within two years. If OU or OSU can win a national championship in our down years, good for them. The Big 12 needs to boost its national reputation.

Our players help our rival’s players up off the ground.

Our HC congratulates our rival on whipping our a$$ and tells them he hopes they win the MNC (which of course damages our recruiting).

We haven’t won a home conference game in over 700 days.

This is not the Texas Longhorns I used to step on the field for. I don’t recognize them one bit.

T Man-

Are you a die hard Aggie or a former Texas Longhorn player? I am confused.

The question is not “Will Texas come back?”

The question is “Will A.N. ‘Mack’ Brown be able to lead Texas back?”

Is A.N. ‘Mack’ Brown trying? Hell, yes – and so would you, if that paycheck was at stake. As I once pointed out to a competitor in an impromptu road race, it isn’t a matter of whether you CAN drive your car faster than I can drive mine, it’s whether you WILL drive it faster.

As far as I’m concerned, there’s only one game left that should not be left strictly to the rebuilding effort: the one on Turkey Day. If we don’t win that goddam game, there fucking well better be blood on that field, and not all of it ours.

Kafka -

To the degree that we don’t have to choose between your two options, I’m all for it. But to the degree that it comes to a choice, I pick door #2. It’s been a great run with Coach Brown and I sincerely hope that he stays affiliated with the program somehow even after he’s moved on from the HC spot. But, turning around the program has to be the highest priority and transcends any one person.

My agdar tells me that T Man is definitely aggie.

Mack and Switzer giving the horn sign? Mack better have had Sally locked up!

Personally, I think it would have been a lot funnier if he’d also included a joke about Mike Gundy’s record against Bob Stoops, but that’s just me.

Wow once again we were running low on Mack bashing so someone had to start it up again. Unbelievable

“People say we’re apathetic… but we don’t care.”

That’s because 3 out of 2 of us are dyslexic!

“OU has earned their douchebaggery on the field and has been a better program than us over the years, but not by much.”

The delusion is palpable. Stoops has OWNED us. 3 blowouts in 10 years. You think that would happen to Stoops? Hell no. Mack is soft and our team is soft because of it.

You can keep the "nice guys’. Give me asshole that knows how to win. Not the coach that runs over lesser talented teams like we have, but that guy that loves to play against the best and kick their heads in. Someone like Saban. Would give anything to see that guy coach here.

"People say we’re apathetic… but we don’t care."

“That’s because 3 out of 2 of us are dyslexic!”
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and pedagothic.

First Initial People are invariably cunts.

They have a point and it pisses me off and most of us off. The sad thing is its not true, no matter how bad we lose to them it seems Mack is here to stay.

It burns my ass that Mack is getting paid 5 Million a year and has us in a position to be the butt of these two ass wipes jokes.

Hopefully Mack didn’t cry behind closed doors in his wood paneled office. Mack is a people-oriented and thoughtful person who has enjoyed moderate success as the CEO of Texas football (relative to the nation-leading resources available to the program). He is also thin-skinned and stubborn (slow to change) in his ways. Mack has long since passed the point of being able to develop schemes and coach players himself, so all our hopes rest on smart, young assistant coaches like Harsin, Diaz and Wylie. Without these guys, Texas would be toast.

As someone else pointed out, Texas is 2-8 in its last 10 conference games. The record should/will be 3-8 after this Saturday, but the last 5 games of this season will tell us whether the ship has really turned around or whether the ship will get struck by more torpedoes.

Barry may be a bunghole, but he ain’t stupid. He’s never been the most ethical guy but knows the lay of the land, and his words sting because they ring true.

Who do you think OU would rather have as our coach…Mack or Saban?

Galacta -

“I think we should have more conference wins than we do…” Say what? Unless I’m mistaken, we own more Big XII conference wins than anybody else in the Big XII (93-33/74%). OU is 89-35/72%. I’m not doing OSU because they have historically sucked and I’m lazy.

Or did you mean conference titles? Now that I just researched that and did all that math I think I might have mis-interpreted your comments.

After the past couple of years, I think it’s become pretty clear to me that we have the most self-loathing fan base in the whole universe.

Even the people who like our team and our program poke fun at it pretty much incessantly.

We can’t even engage in some good, pure old-fashioned hate without a vocal group popping up and telling us how we deserve everything bad that’s happened to us.

The University of Texas Fighting Nurse Ratcheds.

Who do you think OU would rather have as our coach…Mack or Saban?

That’s really not a viable choice, but here are a couple that are viable, and you tell me which one OU would rather we have.

Mack or Urban Meyer?
Mack or Chris Petersen?

First Initial People are invariably cunts.

Or lawyers. Or all three.

Nunna & TexanNick:

I have never been a fan of Mack Brown because I don’t believe he has great coaching skills or instincts. But, we’re stuck with him for the next few years – unless you want to fire him now; bring in a new HC in February; risk losing all of the quality staff recently acquired; assemble a new staff by late February; jeopardize NSD for recruits; start over from scratch re-tooling and re-schooling players on new O & D schemes – all of which is a giant step backward, prolonging our return to a Top 5 ranking.

I think T. Boone’s direct comments toward Mack were far more humiliating to Mack than past performances by the team because they were direct. You may recall that blame for the 2010 season were deflected by Mack to his coaches and the players. Past lopsided losses to OU weren’t sufficient impetus for Mack to at last throw his aging, complacent staff under the bus. So what brought about the change? 2010 and 2011 visions of a half-full DKR stadium, no bowl appearances and the resulting loss of image and football revenue – perhaps the most serious metrics that caught the attention of Dodds and Powers. If Mack didn’t get the message last November, Dodds and Powers probably helped him get it. The boat had finally been rocked; may as well rock it vigorously.

Witness the changes: A major shake-up in staff; to his credit Mack hires quality staff replacements; Mack relinquishes control of the game planning and play-calling to the OC and DC. When in the past have you heard Mack say, "I’m just a spectator." Against Mack’s past practice, freshmen and sophomores are allowed to start if they’ve earned it. Our football program has taken an abrupt turn in the right direction and I suspect no one wants that progress jeopardized by irrational patience, especially when youth and inexperience hold key positions on the team.

Having gotten the message, Mack has assumed a more subordinate role this season, which is where I prefer he remains. If you believe that piling-on Mack relentlessly about past lopsided losses – which brought about no significant changes – then perhaps you are the ones who are day-dreaming.

“Who do you think OU would rather have as our coach…Mack or Saban?

That’s really not a viable choice, but here are a couple that are viable, and you tell me which one OU would rather we have.

Mack or Urban Meyer?
Mack or Chris Petersen?"

As unlikely as it is, the first person you call is Saban. Offer him a truck load of money. If he says no then move on but the search has to start with him.
unfortunately our AD would never hire a guy like Saban as much as most of us would love it. They will find another “good guy” who runs a country club and kisses the blue blood’s asses and we’ll end up in the same situation.
I guess it could be worse, but I expect us to at least win this conference as much as OU does. That’s not too much to ask considering our resources. Sick of watching Stoops undress Mack most years.

maroon carrots,

You are full of fail. Oklahoma has destroyed UT recently. Mack Brown is 5-7 against Stoops. UT’s “UP” years produced 2 Big 12 championships. Guess who won the other ones in that time? Being a homer is well and good but don’t be a delusional fantasy based homer.

Alabama hired Saban specifically because they knew he was the one guy who could tell certain people to get the hell out of the building and get away with it. If we want to extend the analogy further, Alabama had a coach who won a national championship and a couple of SEC titles while someone else in the conference won the lion’s share of the glory – Gene Stallings. If we want to go the third step, it will be interesting to see whether we go straight to a Saban-type or whether we have to go through a Three Mikes Era first.

The problem is that Mack has underachieved. He has everything, even Two Big 12 titles and a national title but really, he should have had so much more. If Bobby Stoopid has lost a lot of big games, Mack has lost a lot of little games to keep him from getting to the big games. Winning ten games a year at Texas should be common as should winning the Big 12 titles, but Mack cannot really get it done unless he has a great player. Whereas Oklahoma can do it with the Paul Thompson’s of the world.

I would rather have Saben over Mack. To answer a question above.

Mack may have the numbers but in my lifetime, he falls below Fred Akers on the UT list of coaches. To beat Akers, A&M, TCU, and SMU had to destroy the SWC. Mack is a choker, even when he beat OU there were to many years, he failed to get the job done.

Now Boone Pickens is an idiot to quote Barry Switzer.

I can’t remember all the details, but want to say that Mack was brought in by Switzer to help the Sooners move away from the wishbone and into a more traditional offense to take advantage of Troy Aikman’s throwing ability.

Mack left in 1985 to take on a dual role at Tulane, Troy started 4 games that year before getting mangled by Jerome Brown, pre-fur coat wearing Crip Jamelle Holieway stepped in to as the Sooners went back to the wishbone, and Barry won his last national title that year.

maroon carrots,

You also forgot players shooting each other over a cassette tape (must have been a DAMN good mix tape).

There is no doubt that the entire state of Oklahoma has a mad on for Texas and all things UT. Barry is the Elvis of Oklahoma and the goofy fuckers up there worship the man. What he said might have been in jest, but I doubt that you send a personal e-mail just so that it will get leaked to stir up shit. I do believe the he likes Mack, thought he was a damn good position coach, but might not think he truly has it in him to want to absolutely destroy OU each and every year. Mack has an ego no doubt. You don’t get where he did without it, but I just never seen him as a guy so consumed with winning that he has nothing else is his life.

So what would anyone here be agreeing with him about, that he indeed got an email from the asshole?

No way Booner’s wind powered interenet has received that e-mail yet.

Considering that Switzer had Mack on his staff at OU you would think he would be less of a jack ass. I can’t stand that clown.

Nickel,

As pointed out Barry respected the members of his staff so much he sent Lacewell on a recruiting trip to only get caught sleeping with Larry’s wife.

Considering that Switzer had Mack on his staff at OU you would think he would be less of a jack ass. I can’t stand that clown.

Well, as I mentioned earlier at least he didn’t sleep with Sally.

We can’t even engage in some good, pure old-fashioned hate without a vocal group popping up and telling us how we deserve everything bad that’s happened to us.

No one is saying Texas deserves everything bad that’s happened/happening.

People are just so frustrated that 1 of the highest paid coaches in the entire nation allowed this to happen despite having arguably the most resources at his disposal.

And when douchebags like Pickens & Switzer rub our noses in it, people just need to vent.

Mack will be here as long as Darrell Royal is alive or until Mack decides to quit. Truth of the matter is that all the coaches that came after Royal were not supported by Royal because he didn’t pick them — at least not until Mack Brown. Royal did not help other coaches, didn’t take part in their programs including not helping them recruit. Unfortunately, Royal bad mouthed some of the other coaches to alums because they weren’t his picks. Brown got the job by appealing to Royal and by praising him since he has been here. I repeat, Mack will be here as long as Darrell Royal is alive or until Mack decides to quit.

“pedagothic”

lI had to look this up in a dictionary – it was next to Campho Phenique

Jerryw:

that is about as ignorant a post as has been written here in a long time.

Pillow -

Rio Lobo gave a good argument detailing why this would be a terrible time to make a head coaching change.

Since you know so much more than the rest of us, what’s your brilliant solution?

Now THIS is a helluva question.

Who would you rather have as a head coach?

Mack or Urban Meyer?
Mack or Chris Petersen?

How about this one?

Mack or Jim Harbough?

I am tired of hearing about the ‘resources at our disposal’ BS. Even in the pros, the teams with the highest payrolls and highest paid coaches don’t win championships year after year. College is even more of a crap shoot since you have a limited number of scholarships to throw at children who when they become adults may or may develop into great football players. You also have coaches who don’t always pan out or don’t always mesh or just lose their drive and it can take time to clean up all those different messes. The resources can only do so much without breaking all the rules.

That said, Mack doesn’t deserve a pass and his bad qualities and bad decisions over the years have been reiterated time and time again, but our ‘resources’ guarantee jack shit. So we bring in Meyer (or Saban for that matter) and he bails on us after two seasons and we never get his system in place and never see anything for our resources expended. Or we bring in Chris Petersen and he continues to recruit the types of athletes that BSU recruits rather than the cream of the crop or his schemes only consistently work when most of his season is played against teams like New Mexico State. If there were guarantees or everything was based on ‘resources,’ Mack would have been fired years ago and his replacement would have never lost a game so long as we continued to bring in the most revenue.

Personally I think that if Meyer doesn’t go back to coaching next year he will never go back to that life. No different than Gruden or Cowher. These guys burn some damn hot and want to control so much of what goes on with their teams they can get back into the game and this time give up some of that control.

All have won their titles and really don’t have anything left to prove in the game. They get to be around the game without having to put up with the bullshit, get to spend time at home, and make a damn good salary.

Snide -

With the general caveats that this is purely hypothetical and not a near term thing, here are my choices:

a. Brown, by far.
b. Probably Petersen, though I wonder a bit whether he’s ready for Texas bright lights
c. Harbough

It’s a sad day when Shaggybevo is more rational than Barking Carnival.

Mack’s underutilized the advantages that he’s largely responsible for reviving. Fire him! Hire Zombie Vince Lombardi and Zombie Bill Walsh! “Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thiMUST EAT BRAINS.”

Boone Pickens has given UT Southwestern Med School and UT MD Anderson Cancer Center over 100 million dollars. Maybe we can ease up a little on the guy.

Even in the pros, the teams with the highest payrolls and highest paid coaches don’t win championships year after year.

You’ve got a point about the difficulty of evaluating 18 year-olds who aren’t nearly finished developing. But as far as the comparison to the pros goes, college football is considerably more unbalanced than any American professional sport. The best comparison to college football in terms of resource disparity would be the European soccer leagues, where the big clubs do win every year.

Wow! A lot to take in on this thread. It looks like Switzer’s statement hit a nerve. That is typically the case when it is true, which it is.

This whole thing about the past versus the present is a false dichotomy and a pretty shitty strawman argument IMO. The past and the present are one in the same manifested in the fact that ossified and effete Mack Brown still roams the sidelines and is, at the very least, the figurehead and spiritual leader of the program. If you don’t believe that the head coach defines the personality of the team, then you have not been paying attention to what is and has been right in front of your noses. This is not based on X’s and O’s, which it is pretty widely acknowledged that Mack sucks ass at (which is pathetic in it’s own right BTW).

A team headed up by $5M A.N. Brocktoon is going to have a lower ceiling than one led by Bob Stoops, Nick Saban or even favorite Horn whipping boy Les Miles. That is also painfully self-evident. Call it the “Mack Brown Opportunity Cost”.

Now, here is where my current thoughts become more nuanced. Do I believe we are making progress with the new coaches? Yes. Are we at a point in development where we are not currently impacted by the “Mack Brown Opportunity Cost” or MBOC, for short, if you like? Yes, again. Should the new staff be kept intact in order to continue the positive trajectory? Again, yes, for the time being and as long as progress is in evidence week in and week out. But, if and when we get back to $5M A.N. Brocktoon’s halcyon days of 10 wins in a season, we are then bumping right up against the lower ceiling that is the result of the above mentioned MBOC. At that point, it is high time to cut the thin-skinned old fart loose before his inherent and apparently congenial schmucktitude sinks the whole fucking enterprise all over again. And that’s if he manages to work his way back up to the 10 win summit, which is by no means a given at this point.

There absolutely needs to be a movement afoot amongst the Big Cigars and other power brokers right now to prepare for an orderly succession to the next dude in line at the earliest possible juncture.

tx2step – The question of Mack or Urban Myer and Peterson was actually posed by “Tom”.

I believe he did this because these are the two names bandied about lately as Macks eventual replacement.

I agree with you on Meyer – no way I would take him over Mack.
Petersen strikes me as a little too cerebral and perhaps not quite ready for the pit bulldogs of the Big XII.
Habough is an asshole and will stomp your liver and laugh – given the chance. He will be univerally disliked by the UT admins, profs, players parents and every coach in the Big XII.
Perfect!
The players will love him and name their first born after him (as we will when he eviscerates OU)

HarbAugh!

WITH AN “A”!

What about the Mack Brown curse. Let’s see what happens to the two yahoos. {grabbing popcorn}
Remember we’re the good guys. \m/

I don’t mind being the good guys. It is being the “nice guys” that has hosed us, IMO. Most of the big time winning football coaches that come to mind have been assholes to an extent, some more than others. Not to say a nice guy can’t win, but it seems the odds are much longer attempting to go that route.

Harbaugh is not coming to Texas any time soon, if ever.

Peterson would have no problem keeping pace in the Big 12. He is simply a great coach who is smarter, better organized and more demanding of his staff and players than MB could dream of being. He might not be the folksy bullshit artist that Mack Brown is, but the big alums, boosters and HS coaches would accept that when they witnessed his competency and his scorched earth approach to his opponents. He might be cerebral and low key, but he is a coldhearted killer when it comes to winning football games.

"I heard that Mack is so pissed off about this that he’s having Sally bake the Switzer and Pickens families only 3 dozen cookies for Christmas instead of their customary 4."

Depends on what Sally’s putting in them cookies …

Mack: “Sally, double up on the Ex-Lax this year for Boone and Barry, OK?”

As for those who say Meyer or Harbaugh or Saban would make better coaches for Texas, well Saban and Meyer both won TWO National Championships so I guess you are right (didn’t Pete Carrol win a couple as well?). And Harbaugh looks like another miracle worker based on Stanford and now the 49ers so no argument there. But we likely wouldn’t get any of those guys except maybe a chance at Meyer.

For those who mentioned Peterson, I’m not as certain since there were two previous BSU coaches who had undefeated records yada yada yada and were hot tickets … how did those work out when they went to play with the big boys? Dirk Koetter was OK at Arizona State for a couple of years, then mediocre, then run out of town after a couple of player “incidents”, including murder (Loren Wade shot a guy in the head for chatting with his girlfriend) and a former player convicted of two brutal rapes and sentenced to 80 years.

And Dan Hawkins? He was Chris Peterson in 2005. Turned Colorado around didn’t he?

Another couple of mediocre years and yes, Mack has to go, but we could do a lot worse and there aren’t a lot of coaches that we KNOW will do a lot better.

“We could do a lot worse” is pretty thin gruel in support of Brocktoon. I’m not saying there are not risks to be considered, but that’s a shitty basis for making decisions.

Dan Hawkins?

Anyone remember how Dirk Koetter was going to tear it up in the desert for ASU?

Nunna Yo Bizness said: October 27th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Who do you think OU would rather have as our coach…Mack or Saban?

That’s really not a viable choice, but here are a couple that are viable, and you tell me which one OU would rather we have.

Mack or Urban Meyer?
Mack or Chris Petersen?

OU would rather we have Mack over both of them.

bigdukesix,
European soccer is a better analogy than US pro sports leagues, but again you have teams like Chelsea that have gone overboard in throwing money but have less to show in their trophy case for the millions spent that we do having Mack Brown as a coach. Our resources help keep us from being ‘relegated’ but the results on the field can’t be purchased unless you are A&M, OU, or Juventus.

T. Boone just said what we always knew that those guys were thinking — and what most of us were thinking as well.

If this were an episode of “King of the Hill,” T. Boone & Barry would play Dale Gribble & Boomhauer to Mack’s Bill Dauterive.

Bearing the brunt of jokes will always fire up the base. Mack is an easy whipping boy and he deserves it, especially for $5m/year. But the fans are equally to blame for accepting a crappy program and then being happy when a mediocre program (relative to resources) is implemented. Too many of us are willing to accept the mouthful of dung just so we don’t “lose position” with our season tickets. Additionally, I don’t think there necessarily needs to be a dichotomy between kicking your opponents ass and then helping him up off the damn field. I’d argue it’s a much better mind fuck. In fact, it would be even sweeter if your players leaned in, helped up their opponent, and then said “I’m gonna do it again to you all night!”. But that’s where this thread takes us. Mack is just happy to say his players will help the other guy up. What we all want is a coach that recruits/develops/teaches his players to dominate so they can do exactly what I described above. I’m quite sure it’s utopian, but shit it sure would be nice!

except okie st never beat Mack until last year
11 in a row before that
Boone is a big fish in a little pond
but…this might be their year
thanks to the techsters

Ricky said:

October 27th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

I am tired of hearing about the ‘resources at our disposal’ BS.

That’s got to be one of the most ignorant posts I’ve read on BC, excluding those posted by aggies.

No, resources don’t guarantee success, but if you think Texas doesn’t have a HUGE leg up on, say, Ball State, then you’re an idiot.

Fact #1: The State of TX produces the most Division I talent in the nation.

Fact #2: UT is the flagship university of TX. UT is not “The University of Texas” for nothing.

The resources are here to succeed. Even Mack, w/ the fucking dumbest OC ever in American football, has had many wins.

The problem is Mack could’ve done much better, but he himself has been his biggest obstacle via his loyalty to incompetent or lazy assistants.

With all the resources Texas has and all the terrible coaching that Mack has perpetrated and allowed to happen during his time, he’s still managed to be the 2nd most successful (and a few bad breaks/votes from being the most successful) coach in UT history. Smoke and mirrors or transcendent players IMO. I wonder why those players came to Texas.

Hire the wrong coach and you might find that all these “abundant resources” suddenly seem scarce.

Mack is a victim of his strengths. His strength is turning Texas into the super power that it now is. He may have underutilized his advantages, but without Mack or zombie Lombardi, those advantages wouldn’t exist to the degree they currently do.

Dodds hired MacWillians, and Mackovic and was on his way to hiring Barnett. What makes any of you think he will do better this time?

Joe, I was going to reply more specifically to your ignorant response but bevosbackside actually pretty much hit the high spots. The only thing I would add to his first paragraph is that Mack would have had the most successful program in school history if Stoops had left for the NFL back when his stock was at its peak. I hate the man with the heat of a thousand suns but he is pretty much the sole reason we aren’t the best school of the BCS era. I don’t think there is any other coach over the past 15 years who would have been more successful and would have actually remained in that shit hole for as long as he has.

“Ricky said:

October 28th, 2011 at 5:53 am

Joe, I was going to reply more specifically to your ignorant response but bevosbackside actually pretty much hit the high spots. The only thing I would add to his first paragraph is that Mack would have had the most successful program in school history if Stoops had left for the NFL back when his stock was at its peak. I hate the man with the heat of a thousand suns but he is pretty much the sole reason we aren’t the best school of the BCS era. I don’t think there is any other coach over the past 15 years who would have been more successful and would have actually remained in that shit hole for as long as he has."

So Mack can’t be the best because someone’s better? mmmkay

That’s kind of our point. We should strive to obtain the best coach money can buy. We shouldn’t have to sit back and “hope” our rivals can’t keep a good coach to be successful. That’s Aggie mentality. Are we reduced to being Aggies now?

“For those who mentioned Peterson, I’m not as certain since there were two previous BSU coaches who had undefeated records yada yada yada and were hot tickets … how did those work out when they went to play with the big boys?
…
And Dan Hawkins? He was Chris Peterson in 2005. Turned Colorado around didn’t he?”

From what I understand, Boise’s patented offensive recipe is/was Peterson’s, so when Hawkins left for Colorado, he left his 5-star chef back in Idaho. Harsin became the OC and Peterson’s padawan apprentice at Boise, which is why we are now so stoked to have him (Harsin) as our OC. So bringing in Peterson to be our head coach should at least ensure continuity on the offensive side of the ball.

tom, you don’t make any sense. The Aggie mentality is to claim each new hire is the ‘greatest ever,’ then give him a big extension after one successful season only to watch a return to mediocrity which means firing the guy a year into his extension and having to pay his salary for another decade so the next ‘greatest hire’ can be brought in. It doesn’t look like Bob is going anywhere, but I am sure you and Joe won’t have the patience to see if the next guy can actually build a program in his own image. Instant success against an entrenched and successful coach like Stoops isn’t going to happen quickly for Saban or Harbaugh or any of these other saviors you seem to think are just sitting around waiting for a call from Deloss Dodds.

There have been several key moments where I would have been more than happy to see Mack get fired, but I am not going to get Aggie about it and just assume that someone else is going to do better. You and Joe act like finding our version of Bob Stoops is guaranteed by firing Mack. That is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but don’t act like douchebag because some of us have lived long enough to see this program flounder through hires that were deemed as ‘guaranteed’ to return us to glory. I’ll give Mack (well, mostly his assistants) another year or maybe two to turn this around.

Ricky,

I graduated UT In 1986 so I have seen my share of a bad product on the field. My view is, however, that we should not accept mediocrity simply because we could do worse than Mack. Could we? You are absolutely correct we could and there’s no guarantee that Urban Meyer, Saban, or anyone else could be more successful here than Mack.
I’m of the belief we should strive to be the best even with that uncertainty. I think Mack has peaked and he can take us no further and I’m willing to take a chance that someone else can come in and build on what Mack has created.
I don’t have a lack of appreciation for what Mack has created. He get’s paid handsomely for it. I’m just ready for a change at the top.
I don’t necessarily disagree with anything you have said. I guess I’m just willing to take a chance on a new guy where you are more reserved. I can understand that.

Fine tom. I think the timing would be horrific and while you may think it would reap instant rewards I think it would set us back about 3 or 4 years. I was more than ready to see Mack leave after last season, but that opportunity has passed and I like the new faces on the staff and am willing to see if this reinvention has potential. Hell, I think Mack peaked back in 2002 or 2003 and we got lucky with VY and Colt.

I don’t see anything that Mack has done this year, outside of saying too many nice things after getting killed by OU, that would have been any better under another coach (maybe special teams?). We would still have a lack of experienced talent and we would still have only one spring and fall of practice a coaching staff that cared.

Ricky,

You make some good points and I do agree that last year would have been better timing for Mack to step down.
Bottom line is he’s going nowhere so we might as well sit back and see if he can right the ship. If he gets blown out by A&M, however, there will be hell to pay :)

I like Mack but it sucks having a coach others make fun of but as CO Ag said, when your down you have to take your lumps.

Whenever Mack hangs it up I hope we get a coach with a little more edge, I think thats why everyone was excited when Muschamp was coach in waiting.

“You and Joe act like finding our version of Bob Stoops is guaranteed by firing Mack.”

Why do we need a “version” of Bob Stoops? Why not Stoops himself? Isn’t UT football the #1 coaching position in all of America? Don’t we have a damned stadium named after a previous OU coach?

You think Stoops would not be able to recruit as well as Mack if he was here? Really?

DKR played at OU, He never coached there and he wasn’t the previous OU head coach.
We aren’t hiring Bob Stoops even if he would come to Austin which he won’t. Saban isn’t coming either.

Seriously?

“We aren’t hiring Bob Stoops even if he would come to Austin which he won’t. Saban isn’t coming either.
Seriously?”

This thread is not an exercise in how we replace Mack Brown,.
That is not going to happen anytime soon, anyway.

But you are totally wrong about Stoops – ANYONE will go anywhere if the price or conditions are right. Furthermore, I would guess, two years ago, the odds of him coaching UT were about, say, the same as WVU joining the Big XII.

Part of the satisfaction in beating OU is beating Bob Stoops.. The same is true of Alabama now, and when Saban was at LSU.

You should also understand that character, among other things, is a prerequisite for consideration of the Head Coach position at the University. Their Won/Loss record does not trump all. If you were a graduate of the University, you should know that.

Well said, Rio Lobo.

I doubt Stoops ever leaves Norman and if he does he won’t be coming to Austin.

Stoops has had offers much more generous than what he is getting at OU. The pros have come calling more than once and it is all but certain that Florida and OSU got in touch with him and I am sure they didn’t insult him by offering him and his staff something that wasn’t enticing…and yet he has chosen to stay in Oklahoma. Why would he come to Austin if he hasn’t already left Norman for greener pastures?

Saban is probably the more likely one to be bought, but even then I doubt there is a realistic offer that would get him to make what is no better than a lateral move. I wouldn’t trust Urban Meyer unless we were in a desperate situation and would be OK with a guy who might quit after one season. Bringing up Harbaugh is Aggie.

Petersen or Patterson might be great in the long term or they might be Dan Hawkins. After than its pretty much a crap shoot in my opinion and not worth firing Mack after this season. If the staff can’t get it together next year, then I think we have to make a move but I would much rather see Mack leave on his own accord and help facilitate the transition to a new HC.

Rio Lobo – You were doing just fine until this:
“If you were a graduate of the University, you should know that.”

I was raised Austin and hold 2 degrees from UT Austin and 1 from UT Galveston. I also established a scholership fund for UT Austin. There are other things I could list, but this should suffice as to my “knowledge” of what UT does or does not think of character or my loyalty to the school.

If you have detrimental knowlege about Bob Stoops character, I would be interested in hearing about it. Outside of the fact he comes off as an asshole and you hate OU and everything OU, I suspect your knowledge about him end there.
Saban, on the other hand, has an established record as a job hopper and is suspect, by association, in his recruiting policies – as are all in the SEC.

You are mistaken if you think the admins, the fan base and, I suspect, even YOU would not be vigorously defending him should he coach here, own OU and win as much as he does and NEVER has a 5-7 season! I also doubt his “character” would be any issue at all.

As for him leaving for Texas – give me a break! There ain’t a pro job out there as attractive as the head coach for UT – and NORMAN is no bed of roses either and, now, he would get to cherry pick recruits instead of beating his head against UT every year. He wouldn’t come here? Get out of here!

Texas football may be a premier head coaching job, but c’mon, Alabama is certainly a top spot (in the awesome SEC! SEC! SEC! to boot) as well. And Nick Saban is the only HC to make more dough ($5.9 million per year) than Mack Brown ($5.1 million per year).
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/smu-mustangs/20101208-what-coaches-get-paid-nick-saban-is-highest-texas_mack-brown-second.ece

Other than more Benjamins, why would Saban want to leave Bama (where he is already successful and the football program is humming along great) for Texas (whose conference status may be uncertain and where he would have to rebuild the program from scratch)? Conversely, why would DeLoss and the big-money guys want to break the bank to hire a HC to replace Mack who may use questionable methods in recruiting or oversigning? Texas might have the resources to do it (hire Saban) if necessary, but it’s never gonna happen IMO.

PoofyBevo – I was not promoting Saban – far from it. My comments were referring to Stoops not Saban.
Sorry, if you got the wrong impression.

But, that being said – I will give youa few reasons why Saban would leave Alabama for Texas.
1. Like you said – Benjamins
2. Recruiting
3. A report said that UT is not A premier HC job – it is THE premier HC job. Someone else can provide the link.
4. Saban had everything at LSU that you say he has at Bama – he still jumped.
5. Ego – that is the primary reason he job hops anyway.

But, who gives a shit because I think Stoops is a better coach anyway.

Snide,
I guess with all your degrees and your scholarship fund from UT it gives you special insight into Bob Stoops. My single UT degree hasn’t really shed much light on the thinking of OU’s coach. I do know that he has stayed at OU for a long time and has turned down jobs just as good as UT that don’t have any baggage that comes from coaching at UT’s arch rival, but I guess you have direct line to Stoops and know that he would come here if given the chance. I also find it odd that NFL jobs suck so much that college coaches seem to jump at the chance when they get the chance. I know coaches are gluttons for punishing jobs, but you would think they would never leave college ball when the opportunity presents itself.

The funny thing is if Mack’s record had been swapped with Stoops’s, you would be on here after a 28-pt underdog loss at home to Tech telling us how with our resources we shouldn’t have to deal with the likes of ‘Big Game’ Bob and we should go out and get someone better. Others would be flying a plane over the stadium telling us that Venebles is not to our standard.

Ricky –
You mad? Seems like you’re mad.

No all my degrees did nothing more than make me a pretty good pediatrician (retired). But since everything came from UT I think it pretty well qualifies me as a rock solid UT fan. This in response to a remark that as a UT grad I should “known” that the W/L record should not trump the bad character of Bob Stoops. I found that a little condescending. Somewhat like you proclaiming what I would do if Macks record was swapped with Stoops and insinuating I have a direct line to Stoops.
You don’t like Stoops? Good, I don’t either. You don’t like Saban? We both agree on this.
You are in love with the NFL? That’s your opinion and more power to you.
Can you deal with an attempt at objectivity? Doesn’t appear so.
What I HAVE is an opinion – I’m sorry it has offended you to the point of being sarcastic and judgemental.

No, Snide, I was just trying to be snide!

Your statements of opinion sounded more like proclamations so I was just pushing back with a little objectivity. We just got done cleaning house and we didn’t hit our first choices for assistants, so I don’t think we are guaranteed to get any coach when the time comes. We may think Mack has the greatest job in college football, but it might not be the job for Bob Stoops or Nick Saban if we ever came a-calling. That’s objectivity…can you deal with it?

I have no problem with you having an opinion, but don’t take me to task when you post your opinion and then back up with opinion and then get called out for it!

And, hey, its all in good fun…well, at least until we lose another game…

Ricky – It’s all good. We both bleed burnt orange.

Truth is – I despise Bob Stoops AND Nick Saban. And, I love Mack Brown. He, Powers and Dodds have make Texas what it is today. Where can fault actually be found?

Amen, bro!

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