Texas and NCAA APR

I heard UConn would not have been in the tournament last year if this had been in place.

In theory this is a good idea, but when you consider the amount of money the NCAA makes off the tournament I really, really wonder how much longer the wizard is going to be able to hide behind the curtain.

One of those things is not like the others.

Even the one that’s not “like the others” is still close to 940, if I’m reading this right. Which is pretty high.

How do our peers do?

Easy to see how the NCAA can impose its authoritah on hoops, baseball, Olympic events and so on.

I wish them all the best in trying to apply it to football.

Mack is still carrying dead weight.

When Alabama’s football APR is 963, LSU’s is 966, and ours is 941 – we have a major problem.

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Of all the complaints about Mack, this is something I’m actually angry about.

Perception and reality don’t line up here.

Mack is still carrying dead weight.

Mack is dead weight.

Did you guys hear Longhorn Sportsline last week? The special guest was Brian Davis. Lots of chummy stories between him and Mack. Was pretty clear he is welded to Mack’s ass. Don’t ever expect Mack to get rid of him. Sorry. Only 5-7 was enough to make Mack get rid of one his friends. I’m afraid lagging APR won’t do it.

If the NCAA attaches a minimum APR to bowl eligibility, it sticks in football.

I like the direction here. Next comes stiffer progress requirements and entrance standards.

Who was it last year that allowed those Ohio State players to play in the Sugar Bowl?

Hmmm……..I am sure there was no pressure for the television people.

How much money is the basketball contract?

I am sure CBS will be real happy if a major player in the college basketball landscape isn’t allowed to participate in the tournament because of the APR for a sport where the very best of the kids never plan on finishing school and basically are forced to go to school for one year.

Actually, CBS wants Texas, UNC, Michigan State, UCLA, Kentucky, Kansas, Duke etc. all to make deep runs. The more pressure you put on Partial Qualifier Directional U to recruit real students and make sure they make real academic progress, the more you tilt the playing field towards the haves and away from the have-nots.

CBB’s a cess-pool. Stuff like this drains the swamp.

Bull shit.

The NCAA or CBS care as much about having "real students’ on those teams as the schools themselves. They can say they do, but in reality all the care about is the money they generate.

Kevin Durant was not a partial qualifier, he was one and done all the way, and did more to raise the media profile of UT than how many engineering students?

To penalize a program from recruiting the very best of the best when everyone knows most of these kids are short timers in basketball is a freaking joke.

Have a tournament full of Butlers an Valpo’s and watch the ratings crater. The reason why people like those stories is they are unique and not because they are so damn entertaining. Tell me CBS wants Bulter- Valpo versus KY- UConn final.

Schools are going to have incentive to make the system work. Whether the athletes will benefit is up for grabs.

Have a tournament full of Butlers an Valpo’s and watch the ratings crater. The reason why people like those stories is they are unique and not because they are so damn entertaining. Tell me CBS wants Bulter- Valpo versus KY- UConn final.

I’ve always said that Cinderellas are celebrated for the first two rounds. After that, CBS wants it to be midnight.

Exactly Bob. Someone tell me with a straight face that the NCAA got almost $11 BILLION for George Mason, Valpo, Butler, and Princeton.

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Kevin Durant helped the basketball team’s APR. I don’t see any reason the NCAA won’t stick to this. Even if you view the entire thing as a charade, all the APR does is require schools to keep up that charade.

And UConn is working with two fewer scholarships this year because of APR. So the idea that the NCAA won’t actually enforce a penalty against a big basketball money generator is false.

Huck I don’t disagree and I only used Kevin of his visibility.

If I am not mistaken he actually continued to go to class during the Spring semester even though he knew he was not coming back to Texas which is an exception.

Someone please correct me on this, but the NCAA requirement is to only be enrolled in classes during that second semester, but not attending or passing. Again, someone correct me if I am wrong.

Don’t disagree they won’t penalize a big program, but this again in my mind is all for show.

How much shit has been tied to Calhoun and that program and they never have truly dropped the hammer on it? There has been a persistent stench around Storrs and they could have banned them last Spring for multiple issues and they basically let them play.

Have a tournament full of Butlers an Valpo’s and watch the ratings crater

Fail! UConn, OK St., and A&M wouldn’t qualify, other than that just about everybody in last year’s tournament does. Only a handful score under 940 in basketball.

Fail? The team that won the whole thing? The school who might have been the hottest team in the country and had one of the highest profile players doesn’t make the tournament and that isn’t an issue? You don’t think that wouldn’t have been a topic throughout the tournament had they not made it?

The NCAA had UConn dead to rights on multiple violations, could have easily blocked them from the tourney, and didn’t have the balls. That my friend is a fail, but don’t let the hypocrisy of the NCAA and the concept the Colleges give a damn about anything than the money.

The school who might have been the hottest team in the country and had one of the highest profile players doesn’t make the tournament and that isn’t an issue?

Not a ratings issue of the magnitude you speak of.

A point that can’t be proven either which way can it.

What we do know is that this rule will once again further the illusion that the NCAA and the Colleges care about their athletes when this is all about money.

A wonderful situation where a player like John Wall can’t go directly into the NBA because of a sham of a rule, can’t hold a job during the season, and won’t receive one cent for the use of his image, likeness, or memorabilia during his time in Lexington.

Interesting that while John Wall was not compensated for his time in Kentucky a Division II school like Emporia State benefits from a portion of those dollars even though they do nothing to contribute to the generating of those dollars.

People laud the fact the NCAA is getting tough on academics when if this was in almost any other area of life people would say Emporia doesn’t deserve a damn thing for no work and Wall should be compensated for his efforts. You have to love the hypocrisy.

“To penalize a program from recruiting the very best of the best when everyone knows most of these kids are short timers in basketball is a freaking joke. "

Dumb me I thought colleges were for educating kids.

A point that can’t be proven either which way can it.

You suggested that only the lesser known teams would qualify and thus drive the ratings down. Do you still stand by your statement?

The other points you mentioned are not germaine to your original argument, so please excuse me if I don’t address them.

I guess you missed the fact that the most recent NCAA contract for the tournament was just under $11 BILLION DOLLARS.

More than 95% of the NCAA’s revenue comes from that contract. How many departments cover their operating costs for educating kids.

Please tell dumb me when any network pays 1/10 of that money to broadcast any academic event.

Robert Tilton is envious of the NCAA and the College Presidents.

John Wall can go play in Milan. Plenty of alternatives for the top recruits.

APR is (heavily?) influenced by transfers and early defectees for the draft, right?

So, if Buckner, Wood, Gilbert, etc. transfer after a year or two, then go on to graduate from their new school, they still count against Texas, right?

The non complying schools make up for less than 6% of the field and only ONE elite program, I would say that $11Billion is not in peril. ALL other power schools easily comply with stricter standard and would simply take UConn’s place driving the ratings. The fact that UConn failed to comply when every other elite program had no problem fulfilling the requirement would strongly suggest that the problem is not the rule but the program.

Just curious, but what legitimate reason is there that John Wall would have to travel around the world for one year to fulfill a sham rule, but a non-student athlete can start earning money while they are in school.

What legitimate reason is there that a non-student athlete can have a job during their time in school, but a scholarship athlete can’t?

Tell me how many regular students basically generate the income for MULTIPLE athletic departments with their efforts, but can’t even receive gas money home if there is a family emergency.

Tell me one other situation in life where most of the people on this board would not find something wrong with a group of people benefiting from the efforts of others for no other reason that they are dues paying member of a large, administrative governing body and that the people who truly are the ones responsible for generating the income can’t even receive compensation for their very own image.

I am not crying for the athletes, but the more I read of these rules changes by the NCAA and the tripe about how academics play a part in the decisions in conference realignment, but in the end it is all about money.

Blaze,

The problem is that the NCAA has had a chance to do something about that very program and didn’t have the balls to pull the trigger on it. I wonder why?

I wonder why those kids from Ohio State played in the Sugar Bowl?

I wonder why there are no more television bans as part of the penalties levied for violations. Hell, OU went one year ranked number one and was never seen on television.

Maybe I am too old and cynical to realize that this the NCAA really does care more about the academic progress of the student athletes over making money.

Maybe I am just screwed up. I always could tolerate Barry Switzer over Grant Teaff because while Barry was a piece of crap he knew and admitted. He damn sure wasn’t telling you how great the sermon was on Sunday while trying to stab you in the back and cheat the rest of the time.

DB — Bob Huggins at Cincy had a 0.0% graduation rate. Schools like Texas will be helped by this rule. I thought I was clear on that.

The NCAA tournament is not primarily a talent showcase. It’s all about familiar brands after the first weekend. CBS wants an Elite Eight of Texas, Kansas, Michigan State, Indiana, UNC, Duke, UCLA, and Kentucky. If a school is at risk to miss a post-season, that’s a significant recruiting disadvantage. Schools like Texas do not run afoul of those sorts of issues. One-and-dones are not an APR problem – unless they don’t go to class during the one. I think the NCAA is also in the process of stiffening progress requirements.

The “pay them” argument is a separate one. Kids can go pro any time they want. They just lose their eligibility for an athletic scholarship. Same deal in tennis, water polo, swimming, baseball, football…. Kids do it in Europe all the time, and a couple of US teen-agers have headed overseas to liberate themselves from NCAA “oppression.” More power to them. It’s easy to take a college education for granted until you’re working with kids who can’t afford it. John Wall spent a year getting ridiculous amounts of free publicity, top medical care, and coaching. He was a multimillionaire from endorsements less than a year after graduating from high school and went #1 in the draft. But you know what? College basketball would have done just as well that season if he had pulled a Brandon Jennings and spent the year in Rome. Both did pretty well in the exchange.

Yes, the NCAA is all about the money, which is why they’re changing the rules of the game to make it more difficult for the San Diego States and Boise States of the world. Personally, I have no problem with that.

Ah yeah, wow, look at that nearly every school has essentially improved enough to pass the required score.. do you supose that’s because all of a sudden the academics improved or that schools are more “resourceful” in finding ways to meet the requirements

we have a cross country team?

“I thought Mack said ‘good kids who don’t graduate’”

— Brian Davis

The APR calculation has been adjusted—as long as a student-afolete leaves the university in good academic standing, there’s no APR hit. So if Gilbert remains in good academic standing for this fall semester, when he transfers, there’s no hit.

The hit comes when the student-athlete gets hit with academic ineligibility while on the team (see: Christian Scott / Brandon Collins), or leaves the program without meeting APR eligibility.

Kentucky suffered this during the John Wall year when Wall (an outstanding student, BTW), Eric Bledsoe, Patrick Patterson, and DeMarcus Cousins all declared for the draft early but finished out their spring semesters on good academic standing. However, Daniel Orton decided to just drop out of school and never finished his spring semester (getting only total one semester of “schooling” under his belt—great system!), so Kentucky took an APR hit on him.

Our basketball program’s 1000 APR score is impressive. While you have to keep track of only 12 or so athletes, just one academic casualty causes a lot more damage. By the way, Kevin Durant absolutely was an APR positive. And not only did he finish out his spring semester classes, he came back and took summer classes in the off-season and hung out with Justin Mason, Damion James, etc. So he was a basketball positive as well.

In basketball, for “one and dones”, it’s actually not hard to meet APR standards. All you basically have to do is take basket-weaving 101 classes for a year (if you so choose) and pass. Football is actually harder, because you have to start showing progress towards degree requirements as you become a soph, junior, etc.

Pretty good correlation on Dr. Ryan taking over in Jan 2005 vs the APR performance since then. I’d like to see Davis’ charts explaining the football team’s score. Maybe his y-axis is only 925 to 950.

Dr. Randa Ryan begins her fourth full season as the student services supervisor for the men’s basketball program and her 25th year of association with The University of Texas. She was promoted in January 2005 to oversee the academic support staff and student services of all sports at UT with the exception of football

There has been a persistent stench around Storrs and they could have banned them last Spring for multiple issues and they basically let them play.

Then there was swoop-and-sign of DeAndre Daniels this spring, and the reclassification of Andre Drummond, and the subsequent need to strip a scholarship.

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So a cynic might say, well lets say you attend a school that doesn’t typically have any academically ineligible athletes, (OU). Now that might be because you’re counseling and academic support are top notch, or it might mean that your academics are complete crap and any moron (who starts on the football team) will remain eligible.

What’s to prevent schools from raising their APR by lowering their academic standards?

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