Texas-KSU Football Open Thread
by Scipio Tex on Nov 19, 2011 5:33 PM CST
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by brett on Nov 19, 2011 5:34 PM CST reply actions
Good news guys: I’m healthy and ready to play tonight.
by UT07 on Nov 19, 2011 5:39 PM CST reply actions
Anyone know when dgb got to Austin and when he is leaving?
by thebigE on Nov 19, 2011 5:40 PM CST reply actions
I don’t know BigE. Personally, I’m hoping someone takes him to the Yellow Rose prior to departure.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 5:44 PM CST reply actions
I hope they take him the the Rose during the game instead of watching Snyder give Mack his medicine.
by The General on Nov 19, 2011 5:50 PM CST reply actions
If we can avoid choking on any of Snyder’s Werther’s Originals we’ve got a chance.
by Wyatt on Nov 19, 2011 5:51 PM CST reply actions
Brown and Bergeron can both play. Game time decision.
Shipley is out.
by Scipio Tex on Nov 19, 2011 5:51 PM CST reply actions
Good thing we’re not playing in Pullman today.
by mookiepatookis on Nov 19, 2011 5:57 PM CST reply actions
“Brown and Bergeron can both play. Game time decision.
Shipley is out."
So same as last week?
by UT07 on Nov 19, 2011 5:58 PM CST reply actions
Notre Dame plays rock music over the stadium loud speakers while the opposing team is calling out offensive signals. They also had the band Chicago play at halftime with their band, and Bon Jovi is honorary band leader tonight? Huh?
by Art Vandelay on Nov 19, 2011 6:02 PM CST reply actions
poster on OB saying DGB is sitting with J Gray…delightful news
by brett on Nov 19, 2011 6:27 PM CST reply actions
Watch out for the Paladins next year. Any team that can put up over 30 points on an SEC D must be on their way up.
by bHero on Nov 19, 2011 6:27 PM CST reply actions
I don’t think MB will be totein the rock tonite … maybe mighty Joe B.
Expect lots of passing & QB draws as ksu pass D sucks beeg time. Some play action &the bubble screens.
Should be a big game for tight ends…. time for Irby’s resurrection.
Hook’Em Texas
by jet on Nov 19, 2011 6:33 PM CST reply actions
Statement game for the freshman QB, IMO. Need to see something that indicates he can get the job done.
by AKHorn on Nov 19, 2011 6:38 PM CST reply actions
LSU has committed 6 turnovers the entire season. unreal.
is Mal Brown at 100% or close to it?
by Beaumont Slim on Nov 19, 2011 6:39 PM CST reply actions
Best site for injury updates +trick other neat trivial sh#*.
Enjoy.
T minus 201 minutes &the counting
Hook’Em
by jet on Nov 19, 2011 6:39 PM CST reply actions
Link to game stream:
hxxp://www.justin.tv/watchweeds#/w/2098857376
Currently (1849 CST) showing LSU torturing the Nutts
by Fong the Merciless on Nov 19, 2011 6:42 PM CST reply actions
I’ll be shocked to see M Brown play…
Downgraded to “probably won’t play”
by jet on Nov 19, 2011 6:43 PM CST reply actions
they have bergeron as doubtful too. time to start drinking heavily.
by brett on Nov 19, 2011 6:54 PM CST reply actions
yeah, i figured earlier that neither would play. But had a little hope when flipping through the Dell Children’s visit photos on texassports.com. Brown wasn’t wearing a boot on his foot and Bergeron was lifting kids up on his shoulders. Game still falls on Ash regardless.
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 6:56 PM CST reply actions
put together Fozzy’s 2011 highlights in honor of Senior Night. . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHaLxn04r6A
Enjoy. . . .
by alpahydro on Nov 19, 2011 6:57 PM CST reply actions
Never seen a point spread this out of touch with reality. I find it hard to see a scenario where we win this game. I see it as KSU by 14+ points. Sure hope I’m wrong.
by Art Vandelay on Nov 19, 2011 6:58 PM CST reply actions
I told my Vegas friends to bet their homes. I can’t bet against the Horns, but others should take advantage of this casino error.
by allweatherHorn on Nov 19, 2011 7:02 PM CST reply actions
i want vaccaro to unleash hell on that farmboy tebow.
by mattdubya on Nov 19, 2011 7:03 PM CST reply actions
Every sharp i read is on the horns guys- sucker line vegas put out and hence why public is so big on kstate. Vegas clearly on texas.
by Keith on Nov 19, 2011 7:06 PM CST reply actions
I am optimistic tonight. Or maybe I’m already drunk.
by craigbiggiosdirtyuniform on Nov 19, 2011 7:07 PM CST reply actions
please oh please win by less than 9. This spread is so very odd- even full strength I don’t see us winning by 10- as a walking mash unit it just is bizarre.
by wulaw horn on Nov 19, 2011 7:07 PM CST reply actions
keith, any rationale from any of the sharps you have read?
by brett on Nov 19, 2011 7:09 PM CST reply actions
This is a great game to figure out what Ash is made of.
by allweatherHorn on Nov 19, 2011 7:11 PM CST reply actions
Well, it seems there was a successful adjustment available.
by 2xHorn on Nov 19, 2011 7:15 PM CST reply actions
Great to see MB out there. Loved seeing the quick pass on 1st down.
by hoyahorn on Nov 19, 2011 7:15 PM CST reply actions
Two straight throws behind open receivers. Not good.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 7:16 PM CST reply actions
Still looking for some sign that the light has gone on for Ash. Still not seeing it.
Quandre Diggs is nasty.
by spit and tears on Nov 19, 2011 7:17 PM CST reply actions
Diggs setting the tone. Macho Man Randy Savage, IMO.
by Garry Crowbar on Nov 19, 2011 7:18 PM CST reply actions
Wow defense is wrecking shit. Way to set the tone, guys.
by spit and tears on Nov 19, 2011 7:19 PM CST reply actions
Good rush, great coverage. Love to see that from Whaley.
by nobis60 on Nov 19, 2011 7:19 PM CST reply actions
Shitty kicking game costs us 20 yards of field on the exchange.
by Tex Long on Nov 19, 2011 7:20 PM CST reply actions
Tonight will be defining for Ash. Let’s see what he does once he settles down.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 7:20 PM CST reply actions
If Ash practiced like he played that first series, I understand why Harsin was getting on him.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 7:20 PM CST reply actions
Looks like Mack was playing the long con on that Whaley recruitment – turning into a star DT juuuuuuust like he planned.
by nobis60 on Nov 19, 2011 7:22 PM CST reply actions
3rd straight pass behind. Missing easy throws. Not happy.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 7:23 PM CST reply actions
Um, like I said, still looking for some sign Ash is turning the corner. THAT was not the sign.
How did our QB position turn into this???
by spit and tears on Nov 19, 2011 7:23 PM CST reply actions
Man each throw is getting worse than the one before it.
by nobis60 on Nov 19, 2011 7:23 PM CST reply actions
Now Klein is “Honey Badger” too? Is this now a blanket nickname?
by Garry Crowbar on Nov 19, 2011 7:24 PM CST reply actions
another game where the opposing teams offense is based on Longhorn turnovers. This makes me sick.
by kemit on Nov 19, 2011 7:24 PM CST reply actions
Welp, we keep turning the ball over and we have NO shot. Cannot give these guys easy points or short fields.
by spit and tears on Nov 19, 2011 7:24 PM CST reply actions
I just can’t understand the regression. He’s actually gotten worse.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 7:24 PM CST reply actions
Three bad passes in a row, third time is int. WTF, Ash?
by Tex Long on Nov 19, 2011 7:25 PM CST reply actions
Can someone tell me what radio station this is on? Need to listen online.
by Post Mortimer on Nov 19, 2011 7:25 PM CST reply actions
Those were 3 easy throws too. Those are warm up types of throws.
by Monahorns on Nov 19, 2011 7:26 PM CST reply actions
Huge play by Jeffcoat – he is really coming on.
by nobis60 on Nov 19, 2011 7:26 PM CST reply actions
just got three texts saying he’s regressed. those are pretty simple throws.
by brett on Nov 19, 2011 7:26 PM CST reply actions
Our D is good at cleaning up shit. How about some freakin help, offense?
by Wyatt on Nov 19, 2011 7:27 PM CST reply actions
The defense is playing pissed off.
Win for the defense.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 7:27 PM CST reply actions
those last three throws were worse than anything we saw last week
by brett on Nov 19, 2011 7:28 PM CST reply actions
Hope Ash’s been throwing on the sidelines. Would be great if he could complete a post or anything short.
by kemit on Nov 19, 2011 7:29 PM CST reply actions
How does Iowa fucking State have a better QB than us??
by UT07 on Nov 19, 2011 7:29 PM CST reply actions
Nah, he looked awful last week. This has been atrocious.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 7:29 PM CST reply actions
Cab Case make those short throws?
I’m serious at this point.
Use whatever will work.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 7:29 PM CST reply actions
How does he do that? Kick it deep into the EZ, or through?
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 7:31 PM CST reply actions
UT07 said: November 19th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
How does Iowa fucking State have a better QB than us??
Mack let the position get to this point.
by maninblack on Nov 19, 2011 7:31 PM CST reply actions
Nikki was right last week … Ash won’t be doing any back flips in the near future.
by RenoHorn on Nov 19, 2011 7:31 PM CST reply actions
Didn’t KSU beat us last year without throwing a pass? Can we give that a try?
by hoyahorn on Nov 19, 2011 7:31 PM CST reply actions
I guess they won’t be letting us return kickoffs tonight…
by UT07 on Nov 19, 2011 7:31 PM CST reply actions
Ash is going to get our wr’s killed with that horrible touch of his
by RS on Nov 19, 2011 7:31 PM CST reply actions
If guys can get the ball, they show they can do something with it.
by kemit on Nov 19, 2011 7:32 PM CST reply actions
I’m still amazed Monroe doesn’t touch the ball more often.
by maninblack on Nov 19, 2011 7:32 PM CST reply actions
Case may be a whiny tit who can’t take a hit and has a helicopter dad…. but I think he’s a better passer than Ash. Execution is not pretty but I think he at least has some clue what to do. Ash just looks lost.
by spit and tears on Nov 19, 2011 7:32 PM CST reply actions
can we quit blaming mack for letting this position get to where it is. nobody predicted the GG mess.
by brett on Nov 19, 2011 7:33 PM CST reply actions
Bergeron is going to play. Fuck yeah we’re playing for the Cotton Bowl!
by maninblack on Nov 19, 2011 7:33 PM CST reply actions
That play was eerily similar to the one that got Irby’s knee blown up a few years ago.
by maninblack on Nov 19, 2011 7:34 PM CST reply actions
Bergeron isn’t just a decoy! Glad to see both of the B’s running OK.
by hoyahorn on Nov 19, 2011 7:35 PM CST reply actions
Their undersized MLB is gonna get reeaaalll tired of JB tonight.
by nobis60 on Nov 19, 2011 7:35 PM CST reply actions
Crap. We are behind the chains. Might as well punt now.
by spit and tears on Nov 19, 2011 7:37 PM CST reply actions
A little TOO much variety on that pooper.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 7:37 PM CST reply actions
Ash just flings the ball in the general direction of where he hopes the wr might be
by RS on Nov 19, 2011 7:37 PM CST reply actions
that rugby kicking scares the hell out of me everytime he slowly rolls out with it.
by kemit on Nov 19, 2011 7:38 PM CST reply actions
% chance that the offense actually scores tonight: I’m gonna say 75%, simply because I think we might need turnovers and I am not convinced we can sustain any long drives.
by spit and tears on Nov 19, 2011 7:39 PM CST reply actions
CJ in the wildcat is only a foreshadowing of our real secret weapon: Poehlman in the wildcat. Or, the mulletcat, if you will.
by hoyahorn on Nov 19, 2011 7:39 PM CST reply actions
In spite of the hiccup, we got something going and changed the field podition. Our defense has been excellent so far, so that drive was effective to that extent.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 7:39 PM CST reply actions
All front 4 standing on that last play….crazy.
by Regulator20 on Nov 19, 2011 7:43 PM CST reply actions
Better question would be % chance defense outscores the offense. Damn near happened last week.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 7:43 PM CST reply actions
Our offense has scored 3 points in the last 5 quarters of football
by RS on Nov 19, 2011 7:43 PM CST reply actions
Team with the least number of turnovers wins this game. Not a great situation to be in versus Bill S.
by Art Vandelay on Nov 19, 2011 7:44 PM CST reply actions
Ash seems like he sucks. Brett Smith is also a true freshman and does not suck. In Fact he is awesome for a true freshman. Period. End of sentence. I eagerly await the “practice reports” where Ash appears to be checking off his jock strap. Not good. He. is. Not. Good. At. All. He is the best option we have? this is criminal.
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 7:46 PM CST reply actions
if we can get ash’s head and arm in the game, i think we’ve got it.
by old texas fan on Nov 19, 2011 7:46 PM CST reply actions
It’s painful to hope the offense can score maybe 10 points to at least give us a chance.
by allweatherHorn on Nov 19, 2011 7:46 PM CST reply actions
anyone gto a stream? Slingplayer just went down
by HorninHK on Nov 19, 2011 7:47 PM CST reply actions
Need some points with this field position.
by Garry Crowbar on Nov 19, 2011 7:48 PM CST reply actions
Maybe Ash is one of those guys that needs to take some hits to wake himself up to the game.
by maninblack on Nov 19, 2011 7:48 PM CST reply actions
I have yet to see the Ash that has been advertised.
by Secret Squirrel on Nov 19, 2011 7:50 PM CST reply actions
Holding is a win on that play. [flustered icon]
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 7:51 PM CST reply actions
Wow – you mean kicking it high gives you a better chance of putting it inside the 20 than a damn line drive rugby punt?
by nobis60 on Nov 19, 2011 7:52 PM CST reply actions
Nice kick. Defense and special teams are frigging outstanding so far. And it looks like we’re gonna completely waste those efforts.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 7:52 PM CST reply actions
You almost get the feeling that Ash does not want the job. I mean, fumbling the snap and then heaving it toward the heavens is pretty useless. I thought he was better than that.
by allweatherHorn on Nov 19, 2011 7:53 PM CST reply actions
jeesus. the wife fixed spaghetti tonight. the sofa, carpet, walls, ruined. i’m sending mack brown the bill.
by old texas fan on Nov 19, 2011 7:54 PM CST reply actions
Bill Snyder is one exceptionally well-coiffed senior. Odds are, his pre-game ablutions include one or more of the following:
1. High Karate
2. Old Spice
3. Clubman
4. Vitalis
5. Brylcreem
by parlin on Nov 19, 2011 7:55 PM CST reply actions
Defense is playing great. If the offense can settle down a bit, I think we can grind this out.
by Fritz on Nov 19, 2011 7:55 PM CST reply actions
Klein looked positively Ash-like on that play.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 7:55 PM CST reply actions
maybe cooper can get a holding call in the end zone.
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 7:55 PM CST reply actions
Jeez. Klein looked worse than Ash on that throw.
I’m surprised we’re throwing it as much as we are. It’s almost like Harsin is trying to force Ash into figuring it out.
by hoyahorn on Nov 19, 2011 7:55 PM CST reply actions
Klien looks injured. He is throwing like a girl. A 10 year old girl.
by Art Vandelay on Nov 19, 2011 7:57 PM CST reply actions
Again, it astounds me what a complete dumpster fire our QB position has become. And it further astound me that our offensive coordinator goes away from the only facet of the offense that works.
by spit and tears on Nov 19, 2011 7:57 PM CST reply actions
Not sure we will win this game… but for you gamblers I’d go big on UT in the 2nd half.
by Art Vandelay on Nov 19, 2011 7:58 PM CST reply actions
I think the Offense in general has looked okay. But we are a playmaker at QB away.
Remember Ash was a Greg Davis special.
by Monahorns on Nov 19, 2011 7:58 PM CST reply actions
Box score observations: Klein has attempted more passes already this year than last year. He has 7 carries.
OU in the first quarter has 5 penalties for 64 yards. Man.
by Fritz on Nov 19, 2011 7:58 PM CST reply actions
Say what you will about GD, but we had a pretty good run with QBs under his coordination.
by hoyahorn on Nov 19, 2011 7:59 PM CST reply actions
On offense, this is paraplegic football.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 8:00 PM CST reply actions
Our offensive staff and Mack were completely asleep after 2005
by maninblack on Nov 19, 2011 8:00 PM CST reply actions
this is the first time I will have said this, but I think we have to go with McCoy on this drive.
by Noonan on Nov 19, 2011 8:00 PM CST reply actions
Brett Smith = awesome true freshman QB. David Ash has not scored a TD pass since October 8th. Good thing he is checking his WRs in practice. Can’t wait to see him actually perform. If Case and Ash are the best we have, we didn’t recruit very well/
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 8:00 PM CST reply actions
Nice return by Diggs. The punter’s pants are ill-fitting to say the least.
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 8:00 PM CST reply actions
Klein’s hurting.
Thought his motion looked funky warming up, but didn’t know if that’s just how he threw it.
Now I/we do.
Good PR, Quandre.
by Palmettohorn on Nov 19, 2011 8:00 PM CST reply actions
Great Field position! Let’s run this rock in the end zone
by Regulator20 on Nov 19, 2011 8:00 PM CST reply actions
I would like to see Case get a series. I have very little confidence in our ability to move the sticks with Ash under center.
by Secret Squirrel on Nov 19, 2011 8:01 PM CST reply actions
They were looking for that wildcat handoff.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 8:02 PM CST reply actions
this is just a complete clusterfuck. what a bunch of shit
by Noonan on Nov 19, 2011 8:02 PM CST reply actions
Christ, on 3rd and 3 we run ten yards behind the line of scrimmage. Just awesome.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 8:03 PM CST reply actions
Yes! 3 points. We’re going to miss Tucker next year.
by Fritz on Nov 19, 2011 8:03 PM CST reply actions
Tucker may be a scary punter, but he’s a fine FG kicker.
This game might compete with LSU-Alabama in sheer drama.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 8:03 PM CST reply actions
I heart Diaz. I think we got the best of the coaching carousel, and I love our defense!
by java on Nov 19, 2011 8:03 PM CST reply actions
we can’t line up and throw AT ALL. not short, not long, not at all. who else in the country can’t throw the fucking ball at all? are we like the worst passing offense in the country? what the fuck?
by Noonan on Nov 19, 2011 8:04 PM CST reply actions
Tucker’s punting and kickoffs have been hit or miss this year, but as a placekicker he is one of the best in the conference. Maybe the guy at OK ST is better.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 8:04 PM CST reply actions
Well at least Tucker got us somewhere.
Put me in the “give Case a shot camp.” How could our QB play get worse. Really? How could it get worse? Maybe if Case fumbles when he gets hit.
This anemic shitty offense will not be able to hang with Baylor or aggy.
by spit and tears on Nov 19, 2011 8:04 PM CST reply actions
I thought pro-Case comments were banned on this board?
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 8:04 PM CST reply actions
Anyone have a stream link anywhere?! Justin TV went down… This sucks.
by Shookfoil on Nov 19, 2011 8:04 PM CST reply actions
Ash sucks. We have no QB that is decent. That is why we are losing. Ash sucks. If he manages to throw a TD pass, I will jump around on my trampoline naked and post it on the internet. He SUCKS.
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 8:05 PM CST reply actions
For those of you upset with ou game, the Baylor/OU score is 3-3.
by java on Nov 19, 2011 8:06 PM CST reply actions
Klein hurt. Thank God. Don’t know if we’ll cover though. Lol.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 8:06 PM CST reply actions
Got a feelin’ KSU’s fixin’ to cough it up.
by Palmettohorn on Nov 19, 2011 8:07 PM CST reply actions
gonna have to win the special teams battle and not turn the ball over anymore to win tonight
by Noonan on Nov 19, 2011 8:08 PM CST reply actions
Diaz’s looks have Kstate completely bamboozled. Brilliant.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 8:08 PM CST reply actions
Our passing game has been miserable ever since Colt left. Since then we have tried 3 different QBs, and our passing game has been consistently terrible. Now it is certainly possible that all three QBs just aren’t very good, and I have seen plenty of evidence to suggest that.
However, it is also possible that the problems in the passing game are more than just the QB.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 8:08 PM CST reply actions
Why do we have to give up such yardage on kicking?
by allweatherHorn on Nov 19, 2011 8:08 PM CST reply actions
Manny, you bastard! He didn’t read your book!
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 8:10 PM CST reply actions
That deep throw by Klein looked terrible. Maybe Vegas knew that his arm is hurt.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 8:10 PM CST reply actions
i just don’t get it. how can isu start a red shirt freshman and throw for over 350 yards and we got squat. It’s just incredible. we better hope brewer is the answer and that he can do it as a true freshman
by Noonan on Nov 19, 2011 8:10 PM CST reply actions
Our defense really, really, HATES football teams from Kansas.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 8:11 PM CST reply actions
I would like to see us go a little less for blocks to set up returns. With blocking, we might have some room to run.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 8:11 PM CST reply actions
Damn, Klein looks like one of those cartoon characters with bandages all over him!
by HookEmLA on Nov 19, 2011 8:12 PM CST reply actions
All the momentum that the defense is giving us is lost when Ash comes back on the field. I have held my tongue on Ash since the OU game and can’t do it anymore. Can’t continue to give this kid the benefit of the doubt after the past couple of weeks.
by Secret Squirrel on Nov 19, 2011 8:14 PM CST reply actions
TexanNick,
Right back at yah. Ash is not the long term answer. I think this stretch of four/five games of no TD passes might be a record…even for a “true” freshman QB. Either throw a GD TD or get off the GD field.
And yes…sincerely thinking about the naked trampoline deal….
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 8:14 PM CST reply actions
Props to Ash to get that ball out. Props to davis to get something.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 8:15 PM CST reply actions
Oooooh – talking smack on the punter when he tackles you. Impressive.
by Fritz on Nov 19, 2011 8:16 PM CST reply actions
Do you really have the right to talk trash if you stiff-arm the punter?
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 8:16 PM CST reply actions
Terrible punt. yeesh. might as well kick it out of bounds.
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 8:16 PM CST reply actions
Nikki, you’re probably right. Has to be a record.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 8:16 PM CST reply actions
Klein is held together with duct tape and bubble gum.
by Descartes on Nov 19, 2011 8:17 PM CST reply actions
Can our Defense play both ways? Offense and Defense?
by Regulator20 on Nov 19, 2011 8:17 PM CST reply actions
It finally dawned on the game commentators that Klein is hurt.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 8:18 PM CST reply actions
How long can the defense sustain this effort? Not getting much rest on 3 and outs.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 8:18 PM CST reply actions
if ash comes out again I’m turning the channel. he just doesn’t have it tonight
by Noonan on Nov 19, 2011 8:18 PM CST reply actions
As usual, I like the opposition punter way better than what we have
by RS on Nov 19, 2011 8:18 PM CST reply actions
Keenan will be drafted in the top 3 rounds and play 10 years in the NFL.
by Art Vandelay on Nov 19, 2011 8:19 PM CST reply actions
Klein isn’t right, but if the Vegas books were trying to set a trap line they might not have realized how much Ash would struggle. I stayed away from that line despite the temptation to jump on KSU, but the under is gonna get me a bottle of Johnnie Walker Blue. They set that thing ten points too high.
by nobis60 on Nov 19, 2011 8:19 PM CST reply actions
KSU knew where that one was going and it still got 13.
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 8:19 PM CST reply actions
TexanNick, I have the feeling this is D’ s wet dream. They are just teeing off at this point…..
by Longhorn NY on Nov 19, 2011 8:19 PM CST reply actions
That was actually a nice tackle—one more step and Brown is gone.
by parlin on Nov 19, 2011 8:19 PM CST reply actions
Ash put that in a pretty good spot but the DB got away with one.
by nobis60 on Nov 19, 2011 8:20 PM CST reply actions
Folks – give Ash a break. He should be our third team QB, and you fault him for winning the starting job that consists of a bunch of bad options? You are essentially giving him shit for being a competitor.
by Art Vandelay on Nov 19, 2011 8:20 PM CST reply actions
Maybe Greg and Mack were telling the truth about Donald’s inability to learn the playbook. Ash clearly expected him to be on his left side on that play. Still, he should have checked before the snap.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 8:22 PM CST reply actions
Baylor scored. Oops.. Scratch that. Baylor ahead.
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 8:23 PM CST reply actions
Have to give him 3 yards or something like that.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 8:23 PM CST reply actions
Wow. didn’t get a spot on the 3rd. And that’s a shitty interference call.
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 8:23 PM CST reply actions
God what a terrible call. Our guy CLEARLY tried to get out of the way. Have you ever seen Major so PISSED OFF?
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 8:24 PM CST reply actions
Terrible fucking call twice in 5 minutes. Fuck this.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 8:24 PM CST reply actions
Keenan, you can’t arm tackle #7. You have to get your body on him.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 8:25 PM CST reply actions
It sounds on TV like the crowd is really into it. I have heard major cheering when MB and JB first showed up on the field and they are going nuts on the bad calls. Can anybody at the game confirm how lively it is in there?
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 8:26 PM CST reply actions
Loves me some Diaz – HATES me our safety blitzes.
by nobis60 on Nov 19, 2011 8:27 PM CST reply actions
they won’t overturn. Crowd about to go ballistic.
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 8:28 PM CST reply actions
I don’t think there is enough on the video to overturn the call.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 8:28 PM CST reply actions
Art, completely agree with you, it’s not Ash’s fault. he’s a 3 star QB and he is what he is.
I’m not for bashing the kid. I just think he looks like a deer in the headlights tonight and I think a change of pace is necessary. maybe case folds too, IDK.
by Noonan on Nov 19, 2011 8:29 PM CST reply actions
If you are going to call a timeout anyway, why in the hell wouldn’t you challenge it?
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 8:29 PM CST reply actions
Nikki, time to start warming up that trampoline.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 8:29 PM CST reply actions
Every single one of our DL is whipping the man across from him.
by nobis60 on Nov 19, 2011 8:30 PM CST reply actions
It’s OK to say BOOM! – Florida was able to come back against Furman to become bowl-eligible.
by Fritz on Nov 19, 2011 8:31 PM CST reply actions
‘A Tebow-esque drive?’
Shoot me in the damn face.
by nobis60 on Nov 19, 2011 8:31 PM CST reply actions
I haven’t been vocally upset at a game all season. This last drive has changed all of that.
by Garry Crowbar on Nov 19, 2011 8:31 PM CST reply actions
What a completely fucking TERRIBLE defensive alignment on that play. It is THIRD DOWN, they are definitely going to throw the ball into the END ZONE. And our defense crowds the line of scrimmage, leaving the receivers in man coverage. What am I missing?
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 8:32 PM CST reply actions
Gotta love how a 7point lead feels in-fucking-surmountable.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 8:32 PM CST reply actions
I hate to be that guy but has anyone found a stream? Sometimes living abroad sucks
by HorninHK on Nov 19, 2011 8:32 PM CST reply actions
FGs won’t do it. We need some fucking offense in the second half.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 8:32 PM CST reply actions
I have to say, Gus Johnson’s overuse of “Honey Badger” has me hating him now.
by Garry Crowbar on Nov 19, 2011 8:32 PM CST reply actions
I’m gonna fucking kill someone I I hear Tim tebow’s name one more time. We need to do something offensively
by Randy Marsh on Nov 19, 2011 8:33 PM CST reply actions
This offense is every bit as helpless as the one last year. You can argue who’s fault that is but that is impossible to argue that reality.
The game is effectively over now. The only question now is by how much we lose by.
by Newy25 on Nov 19, 2011 8:34 PM CST reply actions
TexanNick said: November 19th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Gotta love how a 7point lead feels in-fucking-surmountable.
Feel the same way.
by maninblack on Nov 19, 2011 8:34 PM CST reply actions
every time we play these purple fucks they get the calls. Bill S. must date the 80 year old purple hair admin in the Big 12 office who knows where all the bones are buried.
by Art Vandelay on Nov 19, 2011 8:35 PM CST reply actions
Just curious about the feeling out there? Anybody else done with Ash for this game?
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 8:35 PM CST reply actions
So who thinks having Brown and Bergeron last week would have made a difference? Not me.
by Monahorns on Nov 19, 2011 8:35 PM CST reply actions
We’ve held them to 56 yards of offense and we are down 10-3?
My stomach hurts.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 8:35 PM CST reply actions
At the game…wtf happened on the out of bounds catch? It looked like a clear call that the refs flubbed. Why didn’t we challenge? Was that off pi in the end zone too? Crowd is bloodthirsty
by gardzilla on Nov 19, 2011 8:36 PM CST reply actions
More fucking bad luck with atrocious calls. When will the ball bounce our way??
by UT07 on Nov 19, 2011 8:36 PM CST reply actions
I honestly would give Case a shot in the second half.
We ran off Connor Wood why? Placing all your eggs in the baskets of just two QBs doesn’t seem very wise. We don’t have a viable third option—hell we don’t have a viable first option.
by spit and tears on Nov 19, 2011 8:36 PM CST reply actions
Mona, do you really feel like we “have” Brown and Bergeron for this game, in any meaningful sense? I don’t know how many carries they have, but the game plan makes it pretty obvious the coaches don’t think they are 100%.
Still, I agree with the general point you are trying to make. Offense is just so HARD.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 8:37 PM CST reply actions
Art-
Like I said, I have held back on piling on Ash. The kid is not showing he’s ready. He still hasn’t adjusted to the blitzes, he’s throwing off his back foot, and throwing behind receivers. Let’s see if Case can do better.
by Secret Squirrel on Nov 19, 2011 8:38 PM CST reply actions
I’m with you, Spit. He simply CAN’T be worse than Ash has been the past two weeks.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 8:39 PM CST reply actions
I have seen intramural flag football qbs that have a better feel for what is going on than Ash. Better to just run some sort of triple option package than have him attempt passes.
by Major Cult on Nov 19, 2011 8:40 PM CST reply actions
HorninHK
Google FirstRowSports, go to Am. Football. This is the most reliable stream I’ve found, though the quality of the picture ain’t great. If it breaks up a bit, just wait and it always comes back.
by TKO on Nov 19, 2011 8:40 PM CST reply actions
At the game, this place is fucking living. Anyone watching in TV know exactly now the bad calls went?
by slaw on Nov 19, 2011 8:41 PM CST reply actions
i really don’t think marcus allen’s tie works with that shirt/sport coat combo. i think he needs to go back to men’s warehouse.
by old texas fan on Nov 19, 2011 8:42 PM CST reply actions
DE, I don’t know if B&B are 100% or not. I don’t see them limping around, but who knows. It looks to me like they are trying to keep them from reinjuring themselves, which I agree with.
But my point is when the OL can’t block consistently and the QB is struggling like this, the RBs will make little difference. Sure we may have 15-20 yards from broken tackles but it’s not enough. 6 points the last 6 quarters.
by Monahorns on Nov 19, 2011 8:42 PM CST reply actions
I knew better than to click on here.
Case got a shot last week. Didn’t look so good then either.
We didn’t run off Connor Wood either, dumbasses.
by My name is nobody on Nov 19, 2011 8:42 PM CST reply actions
my god, we can’t catch a break. If Ash can’t play like a man instead of a scared boy, I don’t see us winning this thing.
by allweatherHorn on Nov 19, 2011 8:42 PM CST reply actions
Terrible timeout call by Mack right after Collin Klein was sacked by Kheeston Randall and Jackson Jeffcoat for a loss of 7 yards to the Texas 47. After the sack, it was 3rd and 14 at TEX 47, Texas had the momentum and the timeout by Mack with 1:05 was absolutely brain dead. It gave KSU a chance to regroup and also gave KSU an extra 30 seconds to score in. WTF was Mack thinking, that his offensive juggernaut was go the length of the field to score in less than a minute? Absolutely moronic timeout.
by Kafka on Nov 19, 2011 8:43 PM CST reply actions
Nobody: If both QB’s suck, what’s your suggestion?
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 8:44 PM CST reply actions
Texan Nick…
About to jump on it. Seriously. I would bet my ass tonite that Baylor wins and we lose. We didn’t recruit well at QB. We did not. Ash is not good.
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 8:44 PM CST reply actions
Our fans need to stop fixating on red herrings like bad turf or calls. This offense fucking sucks and Harsin/Applewhite have done a shit job this year. Start with that.
by Newy25 on Nov 19, 2011 8:44 PM CST reply actions
as has been pointed out on this site numerous times, the problem is clearly more than the QB. young receivers, young linemen, complete disaster last year. but ash looks lost tonight. I have been behind ash all year and for all I know mccoy may implode, but I don’t think we have a choice here
by Noonan on Nov 19, 2011 8:44 PM CST reply actions
slaw – refs missed the PI call on Davis; the PR interference call was pure fabrication. I feel like I’m in a customized version of hell watching these calls.
by Fritz on Nov 19, 2011 8:45 PM CST reply actions
And Stoops goes psychopathically ballistic on one of his db’s on national tv. Freak
by RS on Nov 19, 2011 8:45 PM CST reply actions
slaw- the non-PI call on the Davis deep ball was pretty bad but I could see how a ref could miss it in live action. The interference call on the punt call was atrocious.
by stuckinmn on Nov 19, 2011 8:45 PM CST reply actions
I hoped that Ash had a fire in him. That he wants to kick some ass. Not seeing that so far.
by allweatherHorn on Nov 19, 2011 8:46 PM CST reply actions
I went fishing last week, and again in this game thread, asking the commenters here whether they are really convinced that the problem has definitely been the three different QBs we have played this year and last year, or if the offense is so bad that the QB is not the problem. Maybe it is somewhere in between.
Does anybody feel that they can confidently say that Ash is really the problem?
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 8:48 PM CST reply actions
The defense cannot possibly play better than they have.
The special teams have at least held serve.
The offense is punchless and is losing us the game.
Our passing “attack” must be functionally the worst in the NCAA.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 8:48 PM CST reply actions
Maybe we should hire someone whose only job is to recruit and coach QBs. I nominate Greg Davis! :-D
by Sasha is a Longhorn Dog on Nov 19, 2011 8:48 PM CST reply actions
Nikki: let’s wait till after the video posts online to bet. Then I can see if the ass I’m betting on is as good as it is in my head. ;-)
I’m heading to the bar, anybody need anything?
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 8:48 PM CST reply actions
Basketball team up 50 to 45 at the half. We’ve played some 2-3 zone again, which I assume Barnes is really trying to emphasize. We’re shooting really well.
by hoyahorn on Nov 19, 2011 8:48 PM CST reply actions
This thread is slow and locks up. Much like Ash’s brain. Does BC need to upgrade its format or servers?
by Major Cult on Nov 19, 2011 8:49 PM CST reply actions
Newy25 – yes, this offense sucks. I’m not going to lay the blame on this year’s staff, though. True freshman QB with one effective WR, a bunch of injured RBs, a very young OL. Lets give this staff a chance to assemble some talent and coach them for more than a few months, eh?
by Fritz on Nov 19, 2011 8:49 PM CST reply actions
So much talent everywhere but at the most important position, our future at QB might be a Sr. at a Arizona high school
by CD on Nov 19, 2011 8:49 PM CST reply actions
It’s pretty amazing how incompetent we are on offense. You would not think the Horns could be so useless.
by allweatherHorn on Nov 19, 2011 8:49 PM CST reply actions
God, stupid people are everywhere… there aren’t many people around here with a clue either…. same people talking about how dominating our offense was when we played KU and crying about fire mack /harsing / ash again….
by bHero on Nov 19, 2011 8:49 PM CST reply actions
I need a reposada margarita with a shot of grand marnier. also a shot of patron might deaden the pain.
by Major Cult on Nov 19, 2011 8:50 PM CST reply actions
It is small consolation that Baylor is leading OU 17-10.
Not NO consolation, but small nonetheless.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 8:50 PM CST reply actions
Snyder is playing the Diaz style of D and trying to force our freshmen to not shoot themselves in the foot and execute to get a score… working, we are shooting ourselves pretty regularly…
by bHero on Nov 19, 2011 8:51 PM CST reply actions
DeepEddy: Ash’s first three throws tell me he just isn’t progressing. All CLEARLY behind his intended target. Two weeks in a row, his throws aren’t within spitting distance of where they are supposed to be. Thats not a young receivers problem.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 8:51 PM CST reply actions
Major….
I have some very fine Azteca Tequila being poured right now… think i paid 10 bucks for a half gallon.
by bHero on Nov 19, 2011 8:52 PM CST reply actions
I understand that McCoy isn’t the answer, but Jesus Christ, you cannot go back for the second half with David Ash under center. The kid doesn’t have a clue at this point. McCoy might be just as bad, but you have to try something else.
by CS on Nov 19, 2011 8:52 PM CST reply actions
sold on Harsin and Diaz…give em time…but Ash is just nof progressing…I don’t expect him to be lights out…just show some improvement
by CD on Nov 19, 2011 8:53 PM CST reply actions
Exactly. Snyder is convinced from watching film of Ash that there is no way he can make enough plays to beat the Cats. He is playing not to lose, knowing we average 1 point per quarter.
by RS on Nov 19, 2011 8:53 PM CST reply actions
Harsin made the throws as simple as is possible in the first half (very short) but Ash still missed several. There is a limit to what an OC can do. It appears that Ash has a confidence problem.
by Kafka on Nov 19, 2011 8:55 PM CST reply actions
Ash = unproven. All of the fans of Ash have said, “he is a true freshman” as a catch all excuse for why he is not very good. So I guess, proven OC’s like Harsin and Applewhite are to blame for why that dipshit hasn’t thrown a TD pass since October 8th? Really? How many Ash fucking relatives are on this site? He sucks. Your kid can’t throw TDs. He is wasting someone else’s scholarship money. Period. If you can’t throw. Get off the field.
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 8:55 PM CST reply actions
Damn. I really want this game.
I know the players and coaches want it more, but I’m me and they’re them.
I am drinking Kroger generic cola with Canadian Black Velvet.
I didn’t want good. I wanted cheap. I got cheap.
At this rate, I might not be conscious for the end of the game.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 8:55 PM CST reply actions
Our D is going to have to score for us to win this one.
by parlin on Nov 19, 2011 8:56 PM CST reply actions
Newy25 said: November 19th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
“Our fans need to stop fixating on red herrings like bad turf or calls. This offense fucking sucks and Harsin/Applewhite have done a shit job this year. Start with that.”
I usually agree with you Newy, but I don’t here. It’s a 7-5 season before the season starts. Injuries and bad calls swing it to 6-6 or 8-4.
by Art Vandelay on Nov 19, 2011 8:56 PM CST reply actions
Argh – another Tebow reference.
Over/under on how many more times we’ll be subjected to that?
by Fritz on Nov 19, 2011 8:56 PM CST reply actions
Crowd wants a flag for kick catch interference, and who can blame them?
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 8:58 PM CST reply actions
I understand our practical player limitations. However with the coaching salaries we dish out I expect better than New Mexico results.
I am not asking for 2005 output. Just to not fucking embarrass our program. DGB is supposedly at this game and if he scratched us off his list I do not blame him.
by Newy25 on Nov 19, 2011 8:58 PM CST reply actions
WHY NO FUCKING FLAG??
Be consistent, fuckers.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 8:58 PM CST reply actions
They are completely disregarding our passing game.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 8:59 PM CST reply actions
Cats stacking the box, knowing Ash can’t throw it two yards
by RS on Nov 19, 2011 8:59 PM CST reply actions
God damn. He made a play. Fuck me sideways.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 9:00 PM CST reply actions
Run blocking seems to have regressed a bit too.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 9:00 PM CST reply actions
RS, I don’t understand the comment that they are stacking the box. They are just playing straight-up on this drive and stopping the run with 7.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 9:01 PM CST reply actions
And THERE’S the Ash we know and love. Case… NOW.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 9:01 PM CST reply actions
OK, I have defended Ash, but that was a really terrible throw.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 9:01 PM CST reply actions
That was about as bad an interception as ive ever seen. Shit.
by 2xHorn on Nov 19, 2011 9:01 PM CST reply actions
How bad is it when I openly wonder if Greg Davis might put a better product on the field?
by Newy25 on Nov 19, 2011 9:02 PM CST reply actions
Ash must be done. He is playing like polished shit.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 9:02 PM CST reply actions
D is going to give up at some point, knowing we have nothing at qb
by RS on Nov 19, 2011 9:02 PM CST reply actions
Nice INT. Ash sucks. Period. We need another QB.
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 9:02 PM CST reply actions
IF ASH COMES OUT FOR THE NEXT SERIES, I AM SENDING MY KIDS TO A&M!!!!
by Major Cult on Nov 19, 2011 9:02 PM CST reply actions
Case is coming in. I hope he has something. I haven’t seen very much from him the last few times he played.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 9:03 PM CST reply actions
Things that are not as good as advertised:
1. Madame Tussaud’s Wax Museum
2. David Ash
by Arriviste on Nov 19, 2011 9:04 PM CST reply actions
We don’t need “a spark” from Case McCoy, as the announcers said, we just need some basic competence.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 9:04 PM CST reply actions
This sucks, man. I need the cowboys to win tomorrow. UT football is depressing to watch again this year.
Ok, I hate those guys that just post this repeatedly on this site… but… do we get rid of Mack Brown?
by Rand Marsh on Nov 19, 2011 9:04 PM CST reply actions
Fuck, they are going to score a TD. I have no confidence that we can score 2 touchdowns, even if the defense pitches a shutout the rest of the way.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 9:04 PM CST reply actions
Really hate to say it, but Ash is looking downright Gilbertian.
by 2xHorn on Nov 19, 2011 9:04 PM CST reply actions
Ash should not start again this season.
Then again, Case should not start again this season.
Uh…. shit.
by spit and tears on Nov 19, 2011 9:05 PM CST reply actions
RS,
I would normally agree. But I don’t see our D collapsing. I just wish that some people who post on this damn site would figure out that Ash can’t throw. No TD’s since October the 8th. Brett Smith is a way better true freshman QB. No TD passes since October the 8th. None. Not a one. Ash sucks.
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 9:05 PM CST reply actions
This is Harsins fault, should have run Ash more.
by 55f100tx on Nov 19, 2011 9:06 PM CST reply actions
I say go back to the Ash package. You know the same offense that worked until we blew it up against OU?
Ash runs option and McCoy comes in to run a little.
This game is over anyway, but what the hell. 17-3.
by Monahorns on Nov 19, 2011 9:07 PM CST reply actions
16-3. We are done. D held on as long as they could, but the offensive ineptitude is too much.
Ash turnovers have given KSU 10 points.
Somebody try to defend that guy.
by spit and tears on Nov 19, 2011 9:07 PM CST reply actions
Game over. Thanks Ash. And a special thanks to Mack for his laziness and incompetence in qb recruiting
by RS on Nov 19, 2011 9:07 PM CST reply actions
That’s 10 points Ash has scored for K-State. He’s gotten us 3.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 9:07 PM CST reply actions
We’re done.Even if Case works a miracle, I won’t be here to see it.
I’m gonna play some Oblivion (don’t have the system for Skyrim).
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 9:07 PM CST reply actions
OK, I realize that everybody is piling on Ash, and I am not even disagreeing. He has played very poorly. However, do you think our offense has done anything well? They are completely dominating our run game with 7. Our receivers don’t appear to be getting open. It looks like a complete failure out there. Anybody have anything to cheer us up?
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 9:08 PM CST reply actions
All Case has going for him is his last name. And a crowd that will irrationally love him.
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 9:09 PM CST reply actions
Spit, you just watch. There are some serious assholes with deep investment in the Ash personality cult. They defended him quite a bit last week, after that sterling 3 point effort. It WILL happen again. Mortal fucking lock.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 9:10 PM CST reply actions
I just figured out Brett Smith plays for Wyoming. I think.
by mookiepatookis on Nov 19, 2011 9:10 PM CST reply actions
Anyone have a linkie for those of us stuck in a desert hellhole — Grassyass
by GoHornsGo on Nov 19, 2011 9:10 PM CST reply actions
time to take some tequila shots and beat my wife.
by bHero on Nov 19, 2011 9:11 PM CST reply actions
Ultralight, all Ash has going for him is… Turnovers.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 9:11 PM CST reply actions
before anyone freaks out, I’m a nerd… she could probably take me.
by bHero on Nov 19, 2011 9:11 PM CST reply actions
I’m on board with McCoy coming in, don’t misread me. Ash is overwhelmed.
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 9:13 PM CST reply actions
Now that Case is in the game, KSU is really loading up the box.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 9:13 PM CST reply actions
spit, how bad to you have to be to go to fucking CU?
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 9:14 PM CST reply actions
Case hasnt had a real shot this year, not from playing time or barkers. They both hooked up to Ash and here we are. Harsin doesnt have a friggin clue with Ash. Have to run that dude.
by 55f100tx on Nov 19, 2011 9:14 PM CST reply actions
two problems where Ash is concerned: first, he didn’t listen to his daddy when he was told that opportunities are fleeting; second, he should have taken that scholarship to Stephen F. Austin
by RenoHorn on Nov 19, 2011 9:15 PM CST reply actions
Ultralight, it’s all good. If GG was backup I’d be calling for him to come in after Ash’s performance.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 9:15 PM CST reply actions
Listen up, nikki, RS, and every other wanna be out there, which receiver
who is NOT open do you think he should throw it to. Go bitch at another team.
May I suggest the Ags. You can yell SEC. SEC.
by java on Nov 19, 2011 9:16 PM CST reply actions
Case hasn’t shown much the last few weeks? He hasn’t had enough snaps to show anything really. He doesn’t throw picks. Ash has thrown two terrible ones today. I’ll take Case and moving down the field.
by Secret Squirrel on Nov 19, 2011 9:17 PM CST reply actions
Case may not throw as many picks… but he will fumble faster than mike davis.
by bHero on Nov 19, 2011 9:18 PM CST reply actions
It’s a shame Mike Davis doesn’t, like, lift weights and stuff, cuz if he did, he might have been able to hold onto that pass.
by spit and tears on Nov 19, 2011 9:18 PM CST reply actions
Here we go. If they overturn this, we should light the ref’s van on fire.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 9:18 PM CST reply actions
If they overturn this call, I might have to burn my house down.
by Fritz on Nov 19, 2011 9:19 PM CST reply actions
Finally, the pinstripes get something right!!!
by HookEmLA on Nov 19, 2011 9:19 PM CST reply actions
WTF??? is our offense allowed to score like that?
by Regulator20 on Nov 19, 2011 9:20 PM CST reply actions
Hey, we can throw to TEs? Shit can’t be legal.
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 9:20 PM CST reply actions
No fucking way. Forward passing? What is this 2011 or something?
by Rand Marsh on Nov 19, 2011 9:20 PM CST reply actions
Couldn’t have happened to a better guy on Senior Night.
by Garry Crowbar on Nov 19, 2011 9:20 PM CST reply actions
I have zero confidence that ash would have completed that pass
by jinx on Nov 19, 2011 9:21 PM CST reply actions
Terrible throw, but nice playcall and catch by Irby.
by 2xHorn on Nov 19, 2011 9:21 PM CST reply actions
Couldn’t be happier for Irby. What a great moment for him. Hope we can top it off with a comeback win.
by hoyahorn on Nov 19, 2011 9:22 PM CST reply actions
Really happy for Irby. Great eyes from McCoy to see that downfield with pressure in his face.
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 9:22 PM CST reply actions
Meanwhile, chaos in the bcs as USC is killing the ducks
by Longhorn NY on Nov 19, 2011 9:22 PM CST reply actions
Wow. A TD pass. Wow. Ash = doesn’t have it. An actually fucking TD pass. Not saying Case has “it” either but at least he can throw TDs. A QB’s job….duh…
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 9:23 PM CST reply actions
2xHorn: I don’t know about you, but my standards for a “good throw” have changed appreciably since 2010. If it’s completed for a TD, it’s a great fucking throw.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 9:23 PM CST reply actions
Hey Nikki… If we somehow pull this game out, can we still get the naked trampoline show?!?
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 9:25 PM CST reply actions
Is this a record for number of posts and no complaints about Gideon?
by mookiepatookis on Nov 19, 2011 9:25 PM CST reply actions
Jesus, the defense might kill somebody. Love it.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 9:26 PM CST reply actions
Good for Irby.
Maybe the Asset can tell us again next week how great Ash looks in practice and how “the light is really coming on for him”
by RS on Nov 19, 2011 9:27 PM CST reply actions
Announcers were painting that as a roughing the kicker penalty. Replay shows he didn’t even fall down. JFC.
by Fritz on Nov 19, 2011 9:27 PM CST reply actions
and how Brown is playing and Bergeron isn’t… getting the feeling we might be getting played…
by bHero on Nov 19, 2011 9:28 PM CST reply actions
TexanNick,
I will fully jump around hot smoking naked on my trampoline if Ash throws a TD. He won’t. Therefore, henceforth, my nakedness is not being seen by anyone.
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 9:28 PM CST reply actions
Why do we think Mike D. can take a WR screen with no blockers and make a play? Has he ever made good yardage on that play?
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 9:29 PM CST reply actions
I don’t like the sneak call with McCoy, but it looks like it worked.
by Fritz on Nov 19, 2011 9:29 PM CST reply actions
Got a good spot on 4th down. Ref was afraid of his 3rd down call at the weekly officials mtg.
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 9:30 PM CST reply actions
now that we are moving the ball and scoring. I can go have a real good time, real good time.
by Secret Squirrel on Nov 19, 2011 9:31 PM CST reply actions
I’m pitching my tent (no homo) in Camp McCoy. At least I have the feeling that something MIGHT happen when he is in. I understand that Ash looks the part. But Shuttlesworth he makes some shitty decisions.
by jinx on Nov 19, 2011 9:32 PM CST reply actions
Henceforth, he shall be dubbed the “Ashette”.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 9:32 PM CST reply actions
I have defended Ash, but, good lord, he has done nothing tonight. Now the question is whether we have ANYONE who can throw the ball to a WR.
by allweatherHorn on Nov 19, 2011 9:32 PM CST reply actions
Has anyone else been reading the exchanges between Nikki and TexanNick as if Nikki was just TexanNick’s female alter-ego?
by hoyahorn on Nov 19, 2011 9:33 PM CST reply actions
Through 3 quarters, 87 yards of offense for KState.
by Fritz on Nov 19, 2011 9:33 PM CST reply actions
Spark is lit…… now finish this boys!
Hook’Em Good & then Hook’Em again for the hell of it!
by jet on Nov 19, 2011 9:33 PM CST reply actions
hoya it didn’t occur to me but as soon as you said it, it seems so obviously true.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 9:34 PM CST reply actions
still not springing our backs into the 2nd level.
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 9:35 PM CST reply actions
Female alter ego, or multiple personality? You decide.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 9:35 PM CST reply actions
Me too…Texan Nick…Me too. On the Asset thing. Ash throws a TD though…and you get all the pics.
But that isn’t going to happen. But I guess…he is “Progressing” HE FLAT OUT FUCKING SUCKS.
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 9:35 PM CST reply actions
Our run blocking has been really poor tonight.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 9:36 PM CST reply actions
KState D still betting we can’t throw the ball. We won’t.
by Monahorns on Nov 19, 2011 9:36 PM CST reply actions
Oh would you two shut the fuck already. We get the fucking idea. Move along. He is out of the game.
by Wyatt on Nov 19, 2011 9:36 PM CST reply actions
Henceforth, he shall be dubbed the "Ashette"
TexanNick I will personally ban your ass if you follow through with that shit. We are pulling for the same team, some people need to start acting like it.
by srr50 on Nov 19, 2011 9:37 PM CST reply actions
Is our defense that good? OR is KSU that bad at offense? 87 yards?
by bHero on Nov 19, 2011 9:38 PM CST reply actions
Who does Texas have to blow to get a break with these refs
by Team Dirty Leg on Nov 19, 2011 9:40 PM CST reply actions
Spark is lit…… now finish this boys!
Hook’Em Good & then Hook’Em again for the hell of it!
Time for the D to score some points.
by jet on Nov 19, 2011 9:41 PM CST reply actions
arghh! we let him have the first down!! good effort by hubert, though.
by mpayne on Nov 19, 2011 9:41 PM CST reply actions
everybody goes to the ball. inexusable. he wanted it more
by Noonan on Nov 19, 2011 9:41 PM CST reply actions
No I will not chill out.
You may not have noticed by we strive to keep this site a notch above some of the juvenile junk on others. Bitch about the coaching — bitch about the players, but we will not put up with anything that even smells of a “chrissy” kind of joke.
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by srr50 on Nov 19, 2011 9:43 PM CST reply actions
Ummm, tackling DE from behind is ok now? We need to start using that.
by Arriviste on Nov 19, 2011 9:45 PM CST reply actions
Thank you srr50. A lot of dumb shit has found its way here lately.
by Wyatt on Nov 19, 2011 9:45 PM CST reply actions
Srr50, if you were actually following the thread, you’d see that I was following up on my joke that Asset= Ash. Hence, “Ashette”. Not commenting on his gender or sexuality.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 9:45 PM CST reply actions
Klein running the ball on 3rd and short is Greg Davis level of predictability.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 9:47 PM CST reply actions
And btw, you stupid ref, if their qb keeps his feet moving he doesn’t get the beneift of forward motion
by RS on Nov 19, 2011 9:47 PM CST reply actions
Dared them to throw there. Hope Okafor is ok.
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 9:47 PM CST reply actions
I have been actually following the thread and I was making the point as clearly as I could before anyone else decided to take “Ashette” and run with it.
by srr50 on Nov 19, 2011 9:48 PM CST reply actions
The KSU punter has been very good tonight. Lots of yardage in the punting game that is very important when neither offense is moving the ball well.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 9:48 PM CST reply actions
Wow, it’s such a great joke now. Thanks for clarifying.
by Wyatt on Nov 19, 2011 9:48 PM CST reply actions
Are we gonna run it on 3-medium again? Or maybe that way for pa later….. the tequila is making everything okay…. I know that the boys in Vegas are going to lose a lot of money if the line is still 97% on KSU.
by bHero on Nov 19, 2011 9:49 PM CST reply actions
Not to pile on, because it seems that srr50 has it well under control, but Nick, I understood you were punning on the combination of Ash and Asset, and I still thought it was tasteless. You should have known better, and your defensiveness suggests to me that you did.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 9:49 PM CST reply actions
The “Ashette” reference was not immediately obvious…
by UT07 on Nov 19, 2011 9:50 PM CST reply actions
Alright everybody….
Lets get on the same end of the rope here and pull hard for dem Horns…….
Hook’Em Texas
by jet on Nov 19, 2011 9:50 PM CST reply actions
We have two, maybe thee possessions left in the game. I think we need to try something. Might as well let Case take some shots.
by Fritz on Nov 19, 2011 9:51 PM CST reply actions
Some people that root for this team need to recognize that Ash is horrible. We have no QB. Wake the fuck up. I am not a shitty fan…however, I don’t have my head firmly and squarely up ash’s ass. He is not good. We will not get a win with him in the lineup. He can’t throw a TD and has not thrown one since October 8th. This is NOT the fault of the coordinators. Ash sucks ass.
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 9:51 PM CST reply actions
Gus Johnson: “Case McCoy with an INTENSITY in his EYES!”
WTF?
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 9:52 PM CST reply actions
Big run baby. Needs another gear but that was a man on a mission.
by Secret Squirrel on Nov 19, 2011 9:52 PM CST reply actions
Srr50, I commend you for your diligence. But you might want to go check out the “Joe Paterno has Lung cancer” thread. If you’re really that concerned, there’s a few more people you might want to ban.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 9:52 PM CST reply actions
I can’t believe they left Cody in for the next play after the big run.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 9:52 PM CST reply actions
I know I’m late to the party but neither Bergeron or Brown seem to be hitting the holes with the same intensity as before their injuries. Did they play out of necessity or have they lost a slight mental edge?
by Closet Horn on Nov 19, 2011 9:53 PM CST reply actions
Overtime in this game would be gutwrenchingly horrible. Lots of FG’s.
by Arriviste on Nov 19, 2011 9:53 PM CST reply actions
dang, thought we were going play action on 2nd down.
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 9:54 PM CST reply actions
I think DJ ran the wrong route. It didn’t look like Case made a bad throw, I just think DJ decided to go around the defender instead of in front.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 9:56 PM CST reply actions
I would have gone for it. you still have to score 7 either way. Worst case scenario if you don’t get it, they start it on the 10. Now we have to stop them on the 20+.
by Arriviste on Nov 19, 2011 9:57 PM CST reply actions
RGIII = a Qb. And we didn’t want him. We wanted him to be a WR and wasted our picks on GG, Ash, and McCoy’s brother. Nice. Nice.
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 9:57 PM CST reply actions
Yeah this whole thing about ash is tiresome. As the 3rd down play showed, our receivers are pretty wretched more often than not. Ash makes plenty of bad decisions, but I have no way to really know if a lot of the misthrows are all his fault, or bad routes/timing on part of receivers. Whatver , he isn’t playing now so prefer to focus on what is a very winnable game if we can get one break
by Longhorn NY on Nov 19, 2011 9:57 PM CST reply actions
eh… they can’t move the ball to save their lives.
by bHero on Nov 19, 2011 9:58 PM CST reply actions
DJ Grant looked like he was just jogging. Maybe he didn’t think the ball was coming his way on that play.
Onside kick?
by Kafka on Nov 19, 2011 9:58 PM CST reply actions
Doesn’t make sense
Should have gone for it cause you still need a TD to win…
would have left wildcats with their backs to the wall even had we not made it.
by jet on Nov 19, 2011 9:58 PM CST reply actions
^ I’ve been in Ash’s corner, but his 2 picks tonight were on him, not the WR.
by Arriviste on Nov 19, 2011 9:58 PM CST reply actions
We seem to be consistently vulnerable on the sidelines when kicking.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 9:59 PM CST reply actions
Our defense has stopped Klein completely tonight. Has any other team they played shut him down as well? OU?
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 10:01 PM CST reply actions
And it was: run, run, screen (sacked).
I win internet.
by Arriviste on Nov 19, 2011 10:01 PM CST reply actions
E. Acho read that screen play the whole way. Great play.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 10:02 PM CST reply actions
Arriviste, second one yes. First one I don’t know. Goodiwn’s angle looked very flat on tye cross to me.
And see…. A break!!
We are going to fucking win.
by Longhorn NY on Nov 19, 2011 10:03 PM CST reply actions
Great time for a return. Need just a little bit of luck here.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 10:03 PM CST reply actions
I think they are gonna take 8-10 yards away from Quandre.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 10:04 PM CST reply actions
I am not certain that you can conclusively say from the video that he touched out of bounds.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 10:05 PM CST reply actions
I love Diggs. I loved his brother too. Boy has “it”.
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 10:05 PM CST reply actions
Win or lose, Mack needs to send some friggin videos to the league office on this crew.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 10:06 PM CST reply actions
I don’t like that play call on first down. If you are going to run 4 yard stop routes, may as well run it.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 10:07 PM CST reply actions
J’Covan J’lazys the ball away at the end of regulation and the Horns go to ot
by RS on Nov 19, 2011 10:07 PM CST reply actions
can we get a double tip touchdown please? make up for the bad calls
by Noonan on Nov 19, 2011 10:07 PM CST reply actions
I don’t get this. Why are we throwing every down now??? We have a short field 2 timeouts
by Longhorn NY on Nov 19, 2011 10:07 PM CST reply actions
Our offense just fucking sucks. Every aspect of it except bnb.
by 2xHorn on Nov 19, 2011 10:09 PM CST reply actions
So we put the ball in the hands of McCoy to win it for us? Seriously Harsin?
by RS on Nov 19, 2011 10:09 PM CST reply actions
Announcer observes that with the way KState is running the ball, Texas might not get the ball back. What game is he watching? They are getting less than a yard a carry.
by Fritz on Nov 19, 2011 10:09 PM CST reply actions
They left ash in for too long. Should have put in case earlier.
by Secret Squirrel on Nov 19, 2011 10:09 PM CST reply actions
Oh well. I put this one on a couple of bad plays by ash and harsin’s play calls last few drives. Totally bemused.
by Longhorn NY on Nov 19, 2011 10:09 PM CST reply actions
O line got blown off the ball the entire series.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 10:09 PM CST reply actions
Well, now we don’t have any QB’s. Case has a chance to be a hero and misses a throw, tosses another right to to the safety’s LB, then self-sacks himself twice.
Fucking horrible. Just punt it on first down.
by Arriviste on Nov 19, 2011 10:09 PM CST reply actions
That sums it up right there. Four straight pass play calls with a short field, two time outs and plenty of time.
by Newy25 on Nov 19, 2011 10:09 PM CST reply actions
Was wondering if we’d get around to using those two timeouts. Jesus.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 10:10 PM CST reply actions
Would have loved to see a scraw, screen or WR screen with DJ on that last drive.
by Monahorns on Nov 19, 2011 10:11 PM CST reply actions
There are 50,000 students on campus. If we held open tryouts, could we find a better QB?
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 10:11 PM CST reply actions
Announcer now praising Klein for using all of the play clock before calling time out. Em, why exactly? The game clock wasn’t moving.
by Fritz on Nov 19, 2011 10:12 PM CST reply actions
The deficiency at QB is shocking. Both cannot do shit in a time of need. Ridiculous.
by allweatherHorn on Nov 19, 2011 10:12 PM CST reply actions
“How smart was that from Colin Klein?” I love Gus, but his color man sucks.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 10:12 PM CST reply actions
What are the odds that Klein runs the ball on 3rd and short? I am going with 150%
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 10:12 PM CST reply actions
agreed. short field with plenty of time. could have run the ball a bit. you’d like to get a pass at least close to the receiver there
by Noonan on Nov 19, 2011 10:12 PM CST reply actions
I am still shocked at last series. They are playing soft on D, why wouldn’t we run first or second down? Short sticks for McCoy. Crap
by Longhorn NY on Nov 19, 2011 10:13 PM CST reply actions
I have nothing else to say but…Baylor beating OU. This is not normal. Or close to normal. Have they ever beaten them? OU holds so much on every play it is hard for me to say they have won all of their games.
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 10:13 PM CST reply actions
Baylor win would be nice. All that talk about competing for titles in 12 or 13 needs to be shelved until we find a QB. We don’t appear to have one on campus.
by jinx on Nov 19, 2011 10:14 PM CST reply actions
No timeouts 1 23, Hey Harsin, its ok to throw 4 straight passes now.
by 55f100tx on Nov 19, 2011 10:15 PM CST reply actions
Our offensive line has been really terrible tonight. I think they have to bring Ash in if we have a hail mary situation.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 10:16 PM CST reply actions
does shipley really make this big of a difference?
by Noonan on Nov 19, 2011 10:16 PM CST reply actions
While you are wishing for a QB you might also want to put in a request for some receivers who can create separation and actually catch the ball.
by srr50 on Nov 19, 2011 10:16 PM CST reply actions
Gus really calls a great game. almost makes up for the other guy
by Noonan on Nov 19, 2011 10:17 PM CST reply actions
And Davis’s lack of anything resembling football speed keeps him from catching the hail
by RS on Nov 19, 2011 10:18 PM CST reply actions
Another display of complete offensive ineptitude. We lose out.
by 2xHorn on Nov 19, 2011 10:19 PM CST reply actions
I have no words. Thanks Mack. 2005 seems like a lifetime ago.
by jinx on Nov 19, 2011 10:19 PM CST reply actions
WTF? Really? A 5 yard pass attempt with the clock at :00????
by Regulator20 on Nov 19, 2011 10:20 PM CST reply actions
KSU was the last team on the schedule we realistically had a chance to beat. Looks like those of us who predicted 6-6, and were ridiculed on here for it, were exactly right.
by RS on Nov 19, 2011 10:20 PM CST reply actions
if we were not so pathetic on offense it would actually be quite funny. I am sitting here watching all of these other games filled with quality Texas players and our offense might not score on Austin High School consistently.
Just really sad.
by Newy25 on Nov 19, 2011 10:20 PM CST reply actions
I’m so sick of this offensive shitiness. For fuck’s sake, do we not have anyone who can get the ball to a reciever? Pathetic.
by allweatherHorn on Nov 19, 2011 10:21 PM CST reply actions
Two straight games our defense holds the other team to 17, and our offense just shits the bed. Jinx is right, shelve the overblown expectations.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 10:21 PM CST reply actions
srr50-
I would take a complete offense transplant right now.
by jinx on Nov 19, 2011 10:21 PM CST reply actions
Wow. Case had his chance and blew it.
He throws the ball to Davis towards the outside, it’s a touchdown.
Then he chooses to run instead of throw it.
Then instead of at least giving a WR a play in the endzone he underthrows a 10 yard pass.
What a crappy year.
by Monahorns on Nov 19, 2011 10:21 PM CST reply actions
That final play was our season, offensively, in a nutshell.
I just feel so bad for this D, who played one fucking hell of a game.
by Garry Crowbar on Nov 19, 2011 10:22 PM CST reply actions
I hope Brewer & Overstreet were sittin on each side of DG-B
by jet on Nov 19, 2011 10:22 PM CST reply actions
Case can play if he had some receivers.
Harsin blew it in the next to last series. Reminds me of aggy oc.
by 55f100tx on Nov 19, 2011 10:22 PM CST reply actions
Case is utterly incapable of dropping back in the pocket for more than 2 mississippi without turning into a psychotic ferret attempting to interpretive dance chubby checker’s life story. My god what a train wreck of an abortion of a horrorshow at QB this year.
by Arriviste on Nov 19, 2011 10:23 PM CST reply actions
Having Ship would have made a world of difference there at the end.
by Sasha is a Longhorn Dog on Nov 19, 2011 10:23 PM CST reply actions
Oh well, at least I don’t have to send my kids to a&m. I wonder where Ash will transfer to? This game is on Ash.
by Major Cult on Nov 19, 2011 10:23 PM CST reply actions
just turned off the TV and have no idea what has been posted on this thread but I have to say our offense just completely sucks, just sucks, how in the fuck did it get this bad, I thought Ash may have had a little bit, but no he just sucks, and we know Case McCoy sucks, the Aggies will beat our ass by 30 if we cant score points. Just fucking embarrassing!!!!
by VA Horn on Nov 19, 2011 10:24 PM CST reply actions
I’m drunk but I can still read a box score.
I feel for the D who put their hearts on the field tonight.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 10:24 PM CST reply actions
Why didn’t we slide DGB an orange jersey? No reason to sell him on being a contributor next year. He would be the best WR on this team.
by jinx on Nov 19, 2011 10:25 PM CST reply actions
We have no QB’s. We did not recruit well. We have no quarterbacks. I know Case did his best. I also know that Ash is not a very good passer. He is not. And it would not matter if we had the best OC on the planet. Ash sucks. And the people who think he doesn’t need to start licking it.
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 10:25 PM CST reply actions
Ash and McCoy probably won’t be wearing burnt orange this time next year.
by Garry Crowbar on Nov 19, 2011 10:25 PM CST reply actions
Whatever Arriviste, His brother didnt like hanging around the pocket either.
by 55f100tx on Nov 19, 2011 10:26 PM CST reply actions
Yeah, I can’t put too much of this on Case. He did provide a spark, and he put some points on the board. And I think he’s thrown more TD’s in November than Ash has all year. We just have shitty Oline play, and our best receiver is down, and the situational play calling is suspect. First they handcuffed McCoy, then had him throw on 4 straight downs. Weird.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 10:26 PM CST reply actions
Well, I am thoroughly disappointed in our coaches. Our offense last year was unbelievably terrible. Not just bad for a superpower like Texas, but one of the worst I have ever seen in college football. I thought during the course of this season that we had improved on that, but now I am not sure anymore. During the last two games, it looked exactly the same as last year. I know everybody wants to talk about the QB, but our offensive line has been really awful in pass blocking all along, and during the last two games the run blocking was almost as bad. How long does Mack have to start scoring points? And for most of the season, I was willing to cut Harsin and Major some slack, but that is starting to wear a little thin. I know they have inherited a lot of problems, but there are a lot of teams with less talent that have far better offenses than us. Texas Tech scored consistently on KSU and Mizzou. How long do the new coaches have to start scoring points?
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 10:27 PM CST reply actions
I agree Nick. The playcalling was schizophrenic.
Is Mack interferring?
by Monahorns on Nov 19, 2011 10:27 PM CST reply actions
I can’t believe Case overthrew Davis on a deep ball.
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 10:27 PM CST reply actions
Where is Scipio now? We need some wisdom on the board. This game was very winnable.
Unfortunately 6-6 truly looks like the most likely scenario. Who is madder at their coach now, us or A&M? Mack got us into this mess and Sherman underachieved with a talent-laden team.
by Cousin It on Nov 19, 2011 10:27 PM CST reply actions
Technically, receivers are supposed to catch anything they can touch. Regardless of where the ball went, the receiver had a play on it. Saying he needed the ball over the shoulder to the outside would be great. But it wouldn’t hurt if receivers could come up big or make an exceptional play too.
by kemit on Nov 19, 2011 10:28 PM CST reply actions
I thnk the problem with Case in the pocket is obviously his fear that the defender will pull his flag belt and the referee will whistle the play over, hence the absurd hip gyrations that occur whenever a defender breathes on him.
by Arriviste on Nov 19, 2011 10:28 PM CST reply actions
It’s the friggin ineptitude I just can’t stand. Bad plays happen, but how could we be this bad 10 games in?
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 10:30 PM CST reply actions
kemit, the play I was talking about was the one to Davis where he has to run outside the CB then around to the middle of the field.
I am not asking for a perfect ball. I am asking that McCoy gives Davis a chance to make a play. He clearly didn’t on that play. He threw it where the CB was not where the WR was.
by Monahorns on Nov 19, 2011 10:30 PM CST reply actions
It’s really weird how Fozzy Whitaker turns out to have been the spark that made everything work.
Without him, we are dog poo.
A supreme defensive effort wasted.
Now I’m glad the season is almost over.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 10:30 PM CST reply actions
Can’t say I am impressed with Mack’s choice of QBs. None seem to have any competence and swagger. Why is that the situation? I have no idea. But is sucks. There are kids who can play without fear, but they are attending another university.
by allweatherHorn on Nov 19, 2011 10:30 PM CST reply actions
We are a decent QB away from being a very good football team. We need to scout minor league baseball for the next Wheeden for any chance in 2012.
by uthookem on Nov 19, 2011 10:30 PM CST reply actions
TexanNick: Tyelnol won’t help unless you are planning to take the entire bottle. Burt you won’t want to do that cause you can watch VY start tomorrow for Philly.
by Major Cult on Nov 19, 2011 10:31 PM CST reply actions
This isn’t Ash’s fault, Case’s fault, or anyone else on the team’s fault. This is squarely on Mack’s shoulders for falling asleep at the wheel the last 3-4 years. He is not a good coach. He’s a figurehead, nothing more, nothing less. Time for him to move on his merry way.
by HorninHouston on Nov 19, 2011 10:32 PM CST reply actions
I think his fear in the pocket is knowing that he’s got about 1.5 seconds before Trey Allen shits himself, and there’s no way Davis will separate by then.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 10:32 PM CST reply actions
UT07, no he is not. My ex.
No…I prefer Mark Schlereth types…He is hot. NOOOOOOOOO!…..I hate OU…..how do they get away with the holding….? hate them Hate.
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 10:33 PM CST reply actions
uthookem – i like the way you think. hell we should just do that every year and try out like 10 of them every offseason.
by Major Cult on Nov 19, 2011 10:33 PM CST reply actions
No excuse. None. This program is in a mess right now. Mack Brown’s fault. One touchdown in two games against teams from Missouri and Kansas!! Unacceptable and there is NO EXCUSE. Tired of this!
by TexMan in Ga on Nov 19, 2011 10:34 PM CST reply actions
If Case starts the second half, maybe we don’t throw a HORRIBLE pick to give KState the winning score. I pit that on the coaches.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 10:35 PM CST reply actions
On the bright ( relatively speaking with an albedo of around 0.05), Oregon lost,
and ByGod Baylor is near to beating OU. OSU fell to Iowa State yesterday.
Three of the top 5 BCS losing at once.
What a weekend.
We are looking at an LSU-Alabama rematch, folks.
ooo, I can’t wait.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 10:35 PM CST reply actions
When was the last time a team gave up 121 yards of offense and lost? 1923? The cancer is deeper than I thought.
by jinx on Nov 19, 2011 10:35 PM CST reply actions
This was a game the Horns had multiple shots at and just didn’t get it done. I love the defense god bless them but I have absolutely no faith in getting a turnover. And the returners gave the offense great field position to work from but the offense couldn’t get anything done. The defense got the opposing offense to punt but didn’t seem to matter. It’s frustrating. But, I actually had hope by the end of this game.
by kemit on Nov 19, 2011 10:36 PM CST reply actions
So, when Ash has bad numbers he sucks. Going into the last drive, if you take out the busted coverage TD pass that I could have thrown, they have similar numbers, but his numbers were bad because of the WRs. Some of you crack me up. I am not sure either is the long term answer, but I have to laugh at the bias.
by Huntsville Horn on Nov 19, 2011 10:36 PM CST reply actions
Speaking of schizophrenic, what the hell is going on with OU?
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 10:37 PM CST reply actions
Well, I may have misspoke too soon. OU is not going down whimpering (they have this thing called offense, you see; defense is their problem).
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 10:37 PM CST reply actions
I would love to hear what the redacted plays were because I didn’t see any. The 3rd to last and 2nd to last drive would have been a perfect time for them.
by Monahorns on Nov 19, 2011 10:37 PM CST reply actions
I can’t help but feel if Baylor can get another score, they’ve got the game.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 10:38 PM CST reply actions
Mona, Ha Ha Ha Ha!
I can’t imagine anybody gives a shit about redacted plays at this point. Jesus could probably send them via email directly to the opposing team and it wouldn’t make much difference.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 10:40 PM CST reply actions
Huntsville, I just don’t think you can have watched this game objectively, and not believe McCoy is a better QB at this point. Ash’s throws were BAD, two weeks running. Neither IS the long term answer, but if we DON’T want to lose out, I think McCoy gives us the best chance.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 10:40 PM CST reply actions
It doesn’t matter who coaches K-State, the $5 million dollar man can’t beat him. Thanks again, Mack.
by Blueshorn on Nov 19, 2011 10:40 PM CST reply actions
McCoy is not the answer.
Glad to see him get us a score (even happier to see it go to Irby), but that last drive gave me gray hairs. im too young for gray hairs.
He has no pocket presence and a weak arm. Ash was off tonight but hes still the future.
Happy with our D. It woulda been nice to have a stop after that BS kick catch interference call but they consistently play good enough to win games.
by PVogel on Nov 19, 2011 10:40 PM CST reply actions
Who gets the most snaps at QB vs ag, Case or Ash? Case, right? Having said that, Case appeared to have zero concept of clock management at the end of the game. It is hard to believe that he is a coach’s son, his ball security is terrible. At least Case somehow still has his confidence and can make some throws. Ash’s confidence seems to be shot.
It is hard to win with a poor QB and there seems to be a decent chance that Texas will still be weak at QB next season.
by Kafka on Nov 19, 2011 10:41 PM CST reply actions
With Fozzy running instead of Cody that big run goes for 6.
by Blaze Pascal on Nov 19, 2011 10:41 PM CST reply actions
Good Lord, Nikki. Were you even watching?
Yes, Ash is a kid with a lot of learning to do and potential to develop, but that is exactly why he trumps McCoy; there is no potential to develop in McCoy, and not much of an arm even at middle distances.
Had Gilbert or Ash been in the game on the last play, there might at least have been an attempt at a Flutie gamewinner to Monroe or Goodwin deep. With McCoy dropping back from a 50-yard-line scrimmage line, you are guaranteed the ball falls 15 yards short.
Let’s be diplomatic, and just call McCoy’s last play a Fail Mary.
As for your hallucinogenic comparisons between high-school cheerleading and quarterbacking FBS ball, let’s keep this in mind:
FBS quarterback: Your opponents consist of eleven grown men, some of whom weigh 300 pounds or more and all of whom will cheerfully slam you to the ground. These eleven men are led by a defensive coordinator who specializes in creating exactly that outcome.
High-school Cheerleader: There is no opponent of any kind.
(Unless, of course, you count bulimia, stupidity, and the nagging insecurity that you are surrounded with prettier, sexier girls who, one day, will lead cheers in college.)
by Louis L'am Jones on Nov 19, 2011 10:43 PM CST reply actions
Great defensive performance. If we had a quarterback, we would be a force to be reckoned with. Not sure what can be done for next year. Neither quarterback on the roster seems to be the answer, and I hate to go through another freshman quarterback’s growing pains.
Really pleased that this team has competed in every minute of every game. The games where we gave up last year were the most disappointing part of last year.
by HoustonHorn on Nov 19, 2011 10:43 PM CST reply actions
PVogel, it’s kind of hard to have pocket presence when said pocket collapses with such frightening regularity.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 10:44 PM CST reply actions
Seems to me its time to scour the JUCO route for a qb rather than placing all our hope on yet another freshman qb next year. Hell, bring in three of them. It’s clear we need some talent.
As puzzling as some of the playcalls were, its hard to get too down on Harsin. He has nothing at o-line, wr, qb and tight end, and nothing but injuries at rb.
by RS on Nov 19, 2011 10:45 PM CST reply actions
I’d bet the redacted play was coming on the play where the centerhiked it to ash’s feet. I’m guessing the center got a little too excited and flubbed it.
by RIVALWEAR on Nov 19, 2011 10:45 PM CST reply actions
If Harsin isnt going to run the qb, Case needs to start.
by 55f100tx on Nov 19, 2011 10:45 PM CST reply actions
Beenie weenies about to pull some s00ner magic. Landry will vault up in the Heisman voting.
by UT07 on Nov 19, 2011 10:46 PM CST reply actions
Ransom, really???? I know that the cupboard is bare compared to what we expect, but out of 120 or so FBS teams, where do you think the talent level at Texas ranks? I just cannot believe that the talent level is really commensurate with an offense that is not one of the 100 best in the country. Maybe I’m wrong.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 10:47 PM CST reply actions
Nick,
That’s your opinion. You’re entitled to it.
Do understand, though, you are firmly planted in the minority.
by Palmettohorn on Nov 19, 2011 10:47 PM CST reply actions
It seemed that the freshmen RBs were still banged up. They give us the only shot to win (although wins against Tech and Kansas are really a joke). Without them we are fucked. That said, I think Case gives us the best shot to win on Tday. Ash is completely fucking lost. At least Case looks like he is trying.
by jinx on Nov 19, 2011 10:49 PM CST reply actions
Palmetto, just so I’m clear, you’re saying that over the next two games, Ash gives us the best chance to win?
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 10:49 PM CST reply actions
For clarification- when Case and DJ couldnt connect in the end zone, that was on Case. It was a snag concept (2 hitches and a corner). The cornerback came up on the snag. He shouldve DJ in the …corner. that ball was about 4 yds into the end zone.
by PVogel on Nov 19, 2011 10:49 PM CST reply actions
Baylor seems like they could line up on this Blake Bell play 100 times and never stop it. I hope Harsin puts that in the playbook when we go to Waco. Might keep the score a little more respectable.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 10:49 PM CST reply actions
I am not married to either QB. I think the question is still open. It was great to get the TD, but it was a great play call and there wasn’t a defender within 10 yards. Great conversion, but I am not all that impressed by it. I did watch the game, but look objectively. Take out the one play, and Case was 4-8 for 19 yards going into the last drive. Ash was 7/16. Case was 8/16 for the game. Neither has established themselves as even average. And the last two drives were just awful in terms of decision-making and execution. I would have played Ash there—if for no other reason that his arm is significantly stronger.
Bottom line, is that I agreed with taking Ash out and giving McCoy the chance. But I would have put Ash back in for the final drive. And Connor Brewer better come in ready to compete for the job. I hope that after extra practice and bowl preparation, spring drills, etc, one of the two will emerge as a competent QB, but I am not holding my breathe. Although I also remember the UT fan base whining about a redshirt freshman from Madison who ended up with a pretty good run. They are young. They will struggle. And we can hope that one of them will end up being “the man” but it is not looking all that bright right now!
by Huntsville Horn on Nov 19, 2011 10:49 PM CST reply actions
I think the long break between aggie and baylor will get us some guys back healthy and we’ll have a decent shot to beat them. our defense will keep us in all three games we have left. we’ll have a good shot against whoever’s the Alamo Bowl opponent. We could still go 8-5, which would be a hell of a year, QB play not withstanding. or we could go 6-7, which would be a total disaster. If I had to pick I would say it’s more likely we win 8.
by Noonan on Nov 19, 2011 10:50 PM CST reply actions
Well, DE, name a player on the o-line you would like to keep if you had the choice. How about wr? How about tight end? Qb?
by RS on Nov 19, 2011 10:50 PM CST reply actions
PVogel, I think you are directly responding to my previous post; thanks for the clarification. My reply would be that if you are right, then it is on Harsin, not Case. Everybody knows by now that Case can’t make that throw.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 10:51 PM CST reply actions
I don’t know who the hell should start at QB against A&M.
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 10:51 PM CST reply actions
It’s not the coaching that is schizophrenic, it’s the execution of the plays that are called. O-line had some great blocking, and also some bad blocking. Receivers couldn’t make plays to help the QBs. QBs couldn’t make throws.
I hope somebody gets suspended for that bullcrap kick-catch interference call. I understand that, given the complex interplay of variables involved in a football game, one can’t simply say “no bullcrap call, Texas wins . . .” but I think it is fair to say that it severely affected the momentum. And, obviously, if the correct call is made, we most likely score (at least a field goal), gain the lead, and momentum shifts our way.
Our defense is awesome. Seriously. They almost single-handedly won the game for us. The one series they really let us down was a series whose catalyst was a bullcrap call. (If it isn’t clear, I really think that, bottom-line, that kick-catch interference call cost us the game). This loss has gotta be especially tough for them.
Meanwhile, things suck for Harsin. Vis-a-vis his options in play calling, he’s gotta feel like a paralyzed man wearing lead armor. He is severely limited in his play calling, regardless of which QB is in the game. Ash can make things happen with his athleticism, but apparently somebody told him that a kitten dies every time he leads his receiver with his throw. Case can mostly hit quick short routes with accuracy, but he has the pocket presence of a threatened possum and absolutely no ability to do anything with his feet (c.f. Texas’ last offensive series).
Personally, I’m taking solace in the fact that, if you described a team with a good defense and a terrible offense, I wouldn’t expect them to win many games. Well, that team is us, and it’s helped me lower my expectations for what we can accomplish. Which is this: (a) we can play good defense, (b) hope for fluke offensive points, © cross our fingers that (a) and (b) keep things close, and (d) pray that there are no major referee screw ups which may disturb whatever fragile edge we might have.
by Jabba T. Hug on Nov 19, 2011 10:54 PM CST reply actions
RIVALWEAR, redacted play. You believe that stuff? Me thinks its for entertainment purposes only.
RS, Hard to get down on Harsin? who ran our backs into the ground? Who came up with the last two game plans? I think his name is Harsin.
by 55f100tx on Nov 19, 2011 10:54 PM CST reply actions
Juco QBs are NOT the answer. Thats absolutely ridiculous.
And Ash had the same pocket as McCoy and he stands tall.
McCoy was tucking WAY too soon. Before there was pressure and before there was even time to make any kind of read. It was especially killer on the last drive
by PVogel on Nov 19, 2011 10:55 PM CST reply actions
We’re looking squarely at 6-6 unless James Street discovers he has another game of eligibility.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 10:56 PM CST reply actions
Ransom, I am not saying they are great, I am just saying they should at least be average. And I am not really saying that it is all Harsin’s fault, but the man has to have some ownership of this shitshow by now. He is an adult, he knew what he was getting into, and he is getting paid a hell of a lot of money. I expect more. The same goes double for Major. He has been here for a while, and I know he has been trying to improve the situation, but he still owns it.
And lest you think I am taking it easy on Mack, I was openly advocating last year that we should do whatever it takes to get Jim Harbaugh.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 10:56 PM CST reply actions
Does Harsin have any eligibility left? I think he could probably pass better than either QB we have left. Double sigh
by Spaceghost on Nov 19, 2011 10:57 PM CST reply actions
Stoops just trumped Mack for “bad timeout of the night”
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 10:58 PM CST reply actions
Well, yes and no on the pocket. I mean, the pocket held up ok when there was still time enough to run the ball, and the D had to be aware of it. But the last two drives, not so much. So it looks like the Oline can block against an “honest” defense, but not one selling out to rush the passer.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 10:58 PM CST reply actions
Hunstville Horn:
Did you really just cite Vince Young’s career to defend David Ash and Case McCoy?
Really?
by Jabba T. Hug on Nov 19, 2011 10:58 PM CST reply actions
Baylor just went 80 yards in 43 seconds to lead OU 45-38 with 8 seconds left.
by srr50 on Nov 19, 2011 10:58 PM CST reply actions
Deep Eddy- if case cant make that throw, he’s not the answer. He is not a Texas Qb. Its a Corner route from what, the 10? If he cant hit that throw and you argue that the play shouldnt even be called, then I want you to draw up a playbook suitable for colt. it would suck.
And Jabba- good response. Im with you 100%
by PVogel on Nov 19, 2011 10:58 PM CST reply actions
Louis L’am Jones ,
Yes I watched our game. I just wondered if you could ask Kobe how is Ash tastes? I just watched Baylor, with zero players other than RGIII and one running back take out OU.. How does Ash taste? He sucks.
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 10:59 PM CST reply actions
Go back to the rotating QBs at the beginning of the year like we did in the first few games. Agree that if Ash is in, he needs to run more. He seems to make mistakes when people are in his face. Most of his picks are when a defender is in front of him and he just randomly throws it up in the air. Play Ash in running situations that allows for the play action passes down the field. Put Case in on 3rd and 5 when his short passing game is beneficial.
by Huntsville Horn on Nov 19, 2011 10:59 PM CST reply actions
So we improve last years record by one win. Great.
by 2xHorn on Nov 19, 2011 10:59 PM CST reply actions
Setting aside (with difficulty) our woes for a second, this has been an interesting late season in college football.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 10:59 PM CST reply actions
I think the big difference between Case and David is that one has way more INTs than the other. Neither is good so I would go with the one who throws less INTs.
by Monahorns on Nov 19, 2011 11:01 PM CST reply actions
Did you ever think that Baylor could possibly have a better team than ours, two years running?
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 11:01 PM CST reply actions
I wish we had won so that I could properly savor the sweetness that is Baylor 45 OU 38.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 11:02 PM CST reply actions
Until we get consistent quarterback play we’re screwed! Maybe DGB sees the opportunity to be the savior and.brewer can come in and make it the dynamic duo! Just think of the possibilities along with Shipley and and our rb’s. MNC baby!!!
by Nedfan on Nov 19, 2011 11:03 PM CST reply actions
Monahorns: I’m with you, up to a point. But it’s not that one has less than the other guy… He has NONE.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 11:03 PM CST reply actions
RGIIi is a boss. Seems like a great guy too. Big fucking miss there.
by 2xHorn on Nov 19, 2011 11:04 PM CST reply actions
Quoting PVogel so people don’t have to scroll back up the page:
“Deep Eddy- if case cant make that throw, he’s not the answer. He is not a Texas Qb. Its a Corner route from what, the 10? If he cant hit that throw and you argue that the play shouldnt even be called, then I want you to draw up a playbook suitable for colt. it would suck.”
I agree with every single thing you said there, which is why our offense can’t score. I was sort of being tongue-in-cheek saying it was Harsin’s fault for the play call.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 11:04 PM CST reply actions
That timeout by stoops was very questionable. So glad to see him get burned for it.
by RIVALWEAR on Nov 19, 2011 11:06 PM CST reply actions
unfortunately, I don’t think it matters who plays QB on Thursday. don’t see it turning out good. I do think our D is playing at such a high level that they will keep it respectible. our only chance is to control time of possession and not turn the ball over. I shudder to consider losing to agroid in our last game for a long time.
by Noonan on Nov 19, 2011 11:07 PM CST reply actions
Good God!
ARKANSAS controls their own destiny with respect to a berth in the BCS Bullshit NC game!!
I think I want to see it happen.
Where’s that LSD? I know it’s here somewhere!
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 11:07 PM CST reply actions
Jabba -
We should be friends. Great post. I won’t blame the refs for a loss ever, but I need my blood pressure medicine after bad calls in back to back weeks kill momentum and lead to scores for the other team. I liked the old days when the guys on the field got to play football.
by jinx on Nov 19, 2011 11:09 PM CST reply actions
Stoops ego just took a big bitch slapping tonight. LOLOLOLOLOLZ
by UT07 on Nov 19, 2011 11:10 PM CST reply actions
I have no words to describe how depressingly bad our team is, and the reality that, at BEST, we are looking at starting at true freshman quarterback again next year.
Those of you still thinking Ash is the future can go fuck yourselves.
And I’ve had enough with the fucking REDACTED bullshit in the Asset’s practice reports. Nor do I buy for a second that Shipley was going to start, then had a “setback” which might now keep him out of the rest of the season.
Fucking practice reports aren’t worth shit.
Redact that.
by Orangeblood79 on Nov 19, 2011 11:10 PM CST reply actions
I thought T Boone said we ran this league. Why can’t we get a call?
by jinx on Nov 19, 2011 11:13 PM CST reply actions
Nick, I have agreed with most of what you have said tonight. I don’t necessarily think we win the next 2 with Case, but I am for starting him to finish the year.
He’ll fumble if you hit him hard enough but he throws a more catchable ball, doesn’t have any INTs yet, and … I can’t think of another reason.
But I like the idea of going back to 2 different offenses. McCoy can hand off and throw a little. Ash can run option and throw a little off of a play action. Why did we ever go away from that?
by Monahorns on Nov 19, 2011 11:13 PM CST reply actions
Orangeblood, you just made me laugh my ass off. Thank you!
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 11:13 PM CST reply actions
Orangeblood79,
I love you!
Stealing this quote because it bears repeating: Those of you still thinking Ash is the future can go fuck yourselves.
Please go and fuck yourselves. Please go fuck yourselves. And take the Asset or asshat and whatever else you are clinging to with you. Ash sucks. And so do his fans. Not that I am a Case fan either.
by nikki32 on Nov 19, 2011 11:14 PM CST reply actions
OK, you Heisman fuckers, take note:
RGIII tonight: 21-34 478 NO Ints 4 TDs; rushed 18-84.
Put THAT in your Heisman pipe and smoke it!
Unfortunately, though he is BY FAR the most deserving candidate, he will barely get a sniff for the trophy.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 19, 2011 11:16 PM CST reply actions
Monahorns, I have no problem with that, if it’s an attempt to utilize the things that Ash does well, which are… Well, whatever, I’ll spot you the point.
And we may not get wins either way, but Ash just has the look of a turnover machine. Take away one of the two turnovers tonight, and give me one healthy back of either Brown or Bergeron, and a defensive effort like we saw tonight, and I’ll take my chances.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 11:16 PM CST reply actions
Ash played horribly tonight, but I laugh at everyone for getting on Case’s jock for that one play to Irby. When the primary receiver is open by 10 yards its kind of hard to miss that. As my wife said to me after that play “why didn’t harsin call that play when Ash was in?” Other than than one play, Case looked awful too tonight.
Bottom line, we can choose between a guy with a strong arm and good legs who makes terrible decisions that turn into interceptions and a guy with a weak arm who panics in the pocket.
We are basically screwed. I say we run nothing but wildcat next 2 games- could we do any worse?
by stuckinmn on Nov 19, 2011 11:19 PM CST reply actions
OK, totally off-topic, but I have been wondering about this lately. Rank from best to worst the future NFL careers of Luck, Barkley, RGIII, and Landry Jones.
by DeepEddy on Nov 19, 2011 11:20 PM CST reply actions
I will have to go back and dig through old emails, but I kept some with friends and family of mine calling for Vince’s head both his freshman and sophmore years. Funny how winning will make you forget his struggles. I would not put money on Ash or Case getting us back to where we need to be, and I am as frustrated as anyone else, but I guess I am just more hopeful than most that we can develop one of these guys into a successful QB with more time, experience and a full offseason with starters snaps.
I am not sure you can find many successful true freshmen QBs of teams coming off a 5-7 season who got 3rd string snaps until several games into the season.
Again, I am not an Ash homer, and yes he sucked tonight. But I don’t want to bury him before the staff has a chance to mold him with a full offseason (that Vince and Colt both had-along with a year on the bench to watch and learn).
by Huntsville Horn on Nov 19, 2011 11:22 PM CST reply actions
There were two things I was proud to see tonight.
One was the defense. Damn, what a performance.
The second was major lighting up the referee after the blown call on the punt. First time I’ve ever seen a Texas coach lay in to a referee like that.
Mack smacked his gums and threw his hands up.
Major threw a tantrum.
I’m going to say this and get killed for it, but I’m still going to say it.
I would replace Mack with Major tomorrow.
by Orangeblood79 on Nov 19, 2011 11:24 PM CST reply actions
Stuckinmn, I’ll take the weak armed guy who doesn’t turn it over, and whose thrown for more TD’s this month while taking about 15% of the snaps then the ostensible starter has thrown in the past 2 months.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 11:24 PM CST reply actions
Orangeblood79, I am impressed by your astute, detailed analysis of our team. Why are you not writing articles for BC?
by Jabba T. Hug on Nov 19, 2011 11:26 PM CST reply actions
The good news against the ags is that the dl could pressure tannehill into some bad throws,mleading to pick sixes. Gray is nicked and Michael gone. We have a glimmer of hope on D.
by 2xHorn on Nov 19, 2011 11:27 PM CST reply actions
Is Brewer going to be here for spring practice? Can’t wait.
by bam on Nov 19, 2011 11:28 PM CST reply actions
DeepEddy: I’ll go Barkley, Luck, RG3, Jones.
I think Barkley has a better chance to go to a decent team. The Colts are atrocious at a LOT of positions, are poorly coached, and have a shitty front office. So Luck could be awesome and still get screwed. Jones could succeed by that logic too, but I just don’t think he’s that good. Wouldn’t sleep on RG3 though.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 11:29 PM CST reply actions
Jabba,
Providing you with detailed analysis of our offense would be like providing you detailed analysis of my stool.
Regardless of the outcome, you’re still looking at shit.
by Orangeblood79 on Nov 19, 2011 11:31 PM CST reply actions
To all you saying that the TD pass was a gimme. Would Ash have made the play? Case hit him in stride and allowed Irby to make a play. If the last 2 games are any indication, Ash would have thrown it out of bounds or tried to thread the needle to another receiver.
No one is saying Case is awesome, but he made the play so give it a rest.
by Monahorns on Nov 19, 2011 11:32 PM CST reply actions
Mack to AD for Sales & Marketing
Major to HC
Replace Chambers/Major with Brewster TE/RB
Add ST Coach
by Tex Long on Nov 19, 2011 11:33 PM CST reply actions
A&M blitzes so much it seems Ash should get the start b/c of his better legs and marginally better pocket awareness.
But I could see Case, b/c he hasn’t thrown it to the other team and our running game might be good enough to where we don’t need a strong armed QB. It’s not like we are asking our QB to do much in the passing game.
Basically, I’ll just go with screwed.
by ultralight on Nov 19, 2011 11:34 PM CST reply actions
nikki,
“Stealing this quote because it bears repeating: Those of you still thinking Ash is the future can go fuck yourselves.”
The fact that you think that is a clever quote tells me all I need to know about you. When did this turn into hornfans or the ESPN big12 board. Can we please, please go back to the way BC was when the AVG commentor IQ was triple digits?
by burntorangejuice on Nov 19, 2011 11:34 PM CST reply actions
“I will have to go back and dig through old emails, but I kept some with friends and family of mine calling for Vince’s head both his freshman and sophmore years.”
There’s a HUCK freaking difference with a struggling QB on a 10-3 team than a struggling QB on a 6-6 team. Just saying.
by UT07 on Nov 19, 2011 11:34 PM CST reply actions
and by “HUCK” i mean “HUGE”. Not sure how that happened.
by UT07 on Nov 19, 2011 11:35 PM CST reply actions
Really tough to see the guys fight so hard and still end up short. God I hate KSU. We’ll get ‘em next year. I’ll keep repeating that after ever loss until it comes true. Just a stellar effort by the defense. I’m really impressed with this group of guys and to think we return most of them next year. With Johnathan Gray coming in and some more experience at the quarterback position, including a bowl season worth of practices to develop the passing game, we have to be able to get a halfway competent offense to match our amazing defense.
I can’t imagine how excruciating it must have been for Fozzy to stand there on the sidelines and watch this game play out. Damn the luck. I will go to my grave believing we would have won this game with Fozzy playing. Hopefully Shipley is ready to go by Turkey Day. We absolutely cannot lose to the ags, otherwise I might lose the will to live.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 19, 2011 11:39 PM CST reply actions
Burntorangejuice, I think Nikki was responding to the fact that some of us that frequent this site feel like we’ve had a “Ash is progressing” party line shoved down our throats, despite plenty of recent evidence to the contrary.
Look, I’m in favor of the idea that this is a highbrow board a cut above its competition. But seriously, it’s a free site. If you want an exclusive club and to only hear yourself and select other’s opinions, well, just start your own board.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 11:40 PM CST reply actions
Want to die. Wife is K-State alum. She had her purple on tonight as we sat in our season tickets. She didn’t rub it in after the game because her QB ran like crap (Diaz, you’re a genius).
Sigh. At least the next QB from AZ can look at the game and figure he has a decent shot at the job next year.
Next year.
Sigh.
by Thor's Brother on Nov 19, 2011 11:41 PM CST reply actions
Great D tonite.
Mack got $1 million per win last year and will get almost $900,000 per win this year.
Seriously? We’re 2-3 years away from competing for the conference title, and maybe longer. MNC nowhere in foreseeable future.
by 1776 on Nov 19, 2011 11:42 PM CST reply actions
I just prefer not to hear the opinions of functioning retards, but there is a lot of that going around here these days, sad to say.
by Wyatt on Nov 19, 2011 11:44 PM CST reply actions
burntorangejuice said:
When did this turn into hornfans or the ESPN big12 board.
About the time BC decided to use a fake Scipio?
by Close to pooping on Nov 19, 2011 11:44 PM CST reply actions
UT07. I think the win loss total might also have something to do with the surrounding cast. I have a Vince poster on my office wall. You will not find a bigger VY fan and homer than me. But his Freshman year, he had Ced, the big 3 at WR and a loaded OL and D. Not sure it is fair to compare the win loss of that team and Vince’s freshmen team and attribute the difference to the QB. Vince struggled as a Freshmen. He only through for more than 140 yards twice. And the fever pitch for a new QB would have been at this same level if not for the fact that they were still winning. Vince is THE reason we have a MNC, but Vince’s freshmen year they won in spite of the QB play even after he had a chance to watch and learn for a year. This year we don’t have that luxury.
by Huntsville Horn on Nov 19, 2011 11:45 PM CST reply actions
Well Wyatt, you might try reasoned disagreement rather than personal attacks. But you get to post whatever you want, so have at it.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 11:47 PM CST reply actions
You mean like your personal attacks on David Ash, you hypocrite?
by Wyatt on Nov 19, 2011 11:48 PM CST reply actions
Or your friend Nikki’s posts of the same tired, asinine variety? Keep digging that hole jackass.
by Wyatt on Nov 19, 2011 11:49 PM CST reply actions
5-7, now likely 6-6, how can Mack Brown continue to be the head coach of The University of Texas? He would be over paid at 1/10th his salary. Have we allowed Mack become as untouchable as JoePa? What has Mack ever given back to UT to deserve this teflon standing? The Big Cigar and those like him need to persuade Mack to retire at the end of this season. He’s done, come up with a health excuse if you must, but get him out.
by alphahorn on Nov 19, 2011 11:50 PM CST reply actions
Name one personal attack I’ve made on Ash, and I’ll spot you the win. Is calling hima turnover machine a personal attack, or a comment on his play, or both?
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 11:50 PM CST reply actions
Seriously man, the board’s right there. You find me a personal attack, and I’ll label myself a hypocrite right here on the board.
by TexanNick on Nov 19, 2011 11:52 PM CST reply actions
Even in his frosh season, VY had a WOW play with his legs for every couple of dip shit plays. I see no glimmer of hope from the two stooges we have now.
Before this game I was rooting for Ash and mentioned his high ceiling a couple of times. Right now I’m 50/50 as to whether I want him starting next year.
Furthermore, I take no solace in knowing that even if he does beat out Brewer in fall camp, he may very well not be our best option (ala GG this year). I fear that Mack may again put too much weight on experience…
by UT07 on Nov 19, 2011 11:55 PM CST reply actions
Well you named one yourself, so one point for you. “Ashette” counts in my book, whatever the unfunny context of it, and the continual circle jerk of “Ash sucks” you’ve condoned and applauded for the better part of this thread pretty much seals the deal.
Yeah, nothing at all remotely personal there. Kid played like shit. No argument. Deserved to be pulled. But prancing around and dumping on him like an assclown with your troupe of merry trollers isn’t anything to crow about here or anywhere else. Sorry that some of us weren’t impressed by the show.
by Wyatt on Nov 19, 2011 11:56 PM CST reply actions
Huntsville Horn, Ash has played enough games now, he needs no apologist.
by 55f100tx on Nov 19, 2011 11:56 PM CST reply actions
Texan Nick,
“Look, I’m in favor of the idea that this is a highbrow board a cut above its competition. But seriously, it’s a free site. If you want an exclusive club and to only hear yourself and select other’s opinions, well, just start your own board.”
I don’t think it’s being unreasonable to hope that people wouldn’t tell fans of the their own team pulling for their quarterback despite his struggles to “go fuck themselves.” Is it more reasonable to expect to be able to say things like that and not get called out or to expect people to display enough social intelligence to know better than that?
by burntorangejuice on Nov 19, 2011 11:56 PM CST reply actions
Our receivers are not very good. Mike Davis is afraid to get grass stains on his dress. McCoy has an amazing ability of scrambling right into a defender, even if there is only one around him. Ash needs work, but he also needs recievers who will catch a ball that hits them in the hands, even if it is thrown behind them. I cant wait for Trey Allen to graduate. Manny Diaz might make a good HC. My opinions from a sober viewing of our team.
by Leonidas on Nov 19, 2011 11:59 PM CST reply actions
Goddammit our defense is so good, but we can’t get any turnovers! We have only 5 takeaways in the past 6 games. I am hardly (not at all) blaming them for the past two losses, but WTF? With the O struggling we need a break/explosion play here and there from the D.
by TypeO on Nov 19, 2011 11:59 PM CST reply actions
Wyatt let me get this straight….
You got in on this thread to chastise someone about personal attacks, then called him an jackass?
What a fucking piece of work you are.
by Orangeblood79 on Nov 20, 2011 12:00 AM CST reply actions
When did this turn into hornfans or the ESPN big12 board.
About the time BC decided to use a fake Scipio?
Um, what? Is there a backstory I’m missing?
by burntorangejuice on Nov 20, 2011 12:01 AM CST reply actions
Would be kind of funny if Jalen Overstreet comes in and takes the Qb spot.
by 55f100tx on Nov 20, 2011 12:01 AM CST reply actions
The fact that you think that is a clever quote tells me all I need to know about you. When did this turn into hornfans or the ESPN big12 board. Can we please, please go back to the way BC was when the AVG commentor IQ was triple digits?
Hopefully all you’re referring to is the way the message is delivered and not the stance of the message.
The worst thing for the Texas program is for no one to point out the ugly facts and just keep pumping sunshine. Ignoring cracks when things seem to be going well that will cause a stumble at the most inopportune time (like the absence of a running game for years that ends up getting our QB killed in the NC game and costing us a shot at the NC the year before).
Or when things are going poorly telling us how everything has been addressed and prosperity is just around the corner when it’s becoming more and more apparent to everyone that the QB to lead us back to success doesn’t seem to be on campus yet (and thus we’re years away from prosperity since no one is going to step on campus and win big without a year or two of experience.
Sunshine pumping and ignoring the signs that there are fatal flaws are how you allow a pathetic entity like GDGD to steal a paycheck for years beyond when he should have been out on his ass.
I’ve been an Ash defender and proponent all year, but with having been here early for Spring, then Fall practice, and now playing almost an entire season, inexpeience just doesn’t fly as an excuse for putting up a total of 6 points in two games.
And if you think things are bad on here now it’s gonna get downright ugly after we lose our last two and go 6-6, because I don’t even see that we can beat Baylor now much less A&M.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 20, 2011 12:03 AM CST reply actions
Just got back from the game. Mack, Harsin and Major should return 1/12 of their salaries for that awful performance.
Folks, we do not a serviceable qb. I would run the wildcat with brown, bergeron, cody and either ogbunyeaksdfklf or y2k the entire game against a&m. If ash or case play at all we will lose badly.
Not sticking with the wildcat on first and 10 at the 11 was a crime against humanity.
by Bartoncreek on Nov 20, 2011 12:04 AM CST reply actions
Burntorangejuice, I’ve re-thought my position, and you’re right. I apologize.
Wyatt, that was not intended to be a personal attack on anyone, but a simple play on words. Sorry it got you so upset, but someone saying “Ash sucks” doesn’t strike me as a personal attack when:
A). The comment appears to be directed at his play, not him personally, and
B). It’s an accurate description of what’s happening on the field.
by TexanNick on Nov 20, 2011 12:05 AM CST reply actions
Oh and for all you GG haters, if we had him at qb we win that game by 2 touchdowns and probably win at Mizzou. He is lightyears better than Ash and McCoy.
by Bartoncreek on Nov 20, 2011 12:06 AM CST reply actions
TexanNick,
Thanks. Hopefully we’ll all be celebrating rather than commiserating in 5 days. These tough losses put us all a little on edge.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 20, 2011 12:09 AM CST reply actions
Here, let me deliver it better for you nancies:
Any of you who thinks Ash is the future should take a real hard look in the mirror, because at the end of the day, he is not the answer.
There you go. Maybe we can all feel better about ourselves, our team, and humanity now.
by Orangeblood79 on Nov 20, 2011 12:10 AM CST reply actions
Bartoncreek, Im not sure why GG left the team then. Competition is supposed to hone the leadership skills, not run you off.
by 55f100tx on Nov 20, 2011 12:11 AM CST reply actions
ash’s 2 turnovers were the difference in the game. he spotted them 10 points. the offense has let the defense down 2 weeks in a row.
by Galactus on Nov 20, 2011 12:12 AM CST reply actions
ash looks somewhat timid during the game. almost scared. case has a little swagger, but he is to loosey goosey with the football for me in the pocket. I always feel like he’s about to fumble.
by Galactus on Nov 20, 2011 12:15 AM CST reply actions
“Would be kind of funny if Jalen Overstreet comes in and takes the Qb spot”
It would be real funny if Harsin/Major put up flyers and held an open tryout at QB. There has got to be a HS starter on campus that can complete quick passes and screens with some degree of regularity… Right?
by MaxATX on Nov 20, 2011 12:15 AM CST reply actions
On a campus of 50,000 plus, you’d hope so, wouldn’t you?
by TexanNick on Nov 20, 2011 12:16 AM CST reply actions
Oh and for all you GG haters, if we had him at qb we win that game by 2 touchdowns and probably win at Mizzou. He is lightyears better than Ash and McCoy.
God help us that things have gotten so bad I’m starting to believe this would be true.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 20, 2011 12:17 AM CST reply actions
Legit question. I’m sure a lot had to do with our fans, but he always took the high road on that. It’s just that our fans refused to believe our qbs were all worse than GG. But, the fact of the matter is that they are. I fear the two best qbs transfered and we were left with the rest. Not that any of the four are Texas good. At least not currently. What a debacle. Thanks Mack and Greg.
Overstreet and Brewer would have to be pretty bad not to be 1st and 2nd string come next year.
by Bartoncreek on Nov 20, 2011 12:18 AM CST reply actions
Any confidence I might have had in Case was lost when he allowed himself to get sacked over and over again on the last two possessions instead of throwing the f***ing ball away.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 20, 2011 12:19 AM CST reply actions
“Oh and for all you GG haters, if we had him at qb we win that game by 2 touchdowns and probably win at Mizzou. He is lightyears better than Ash and McCoy.”
I don’t know if I can disagree with this. Shit, if future me was to tell beginning-of-season me this after we gave GG the boot, I’d have cried.
by UT07 on Nov 20, 2011 12:21 AM CST reply actions
There are threads on Soonerfans that are calling for Stoops’ head. Wow, let that settle in.
by UT07 on Nov 20, 2011 12:23 AM CST reply actions
Moving on to the wide receivers, Has Davis ever been seen running through a pass. What i mean is he will catch a ball stop and do a loop and then get tackled. Sometimes its better just to keep running in the direction you were going, especially when no ones there to tackle you. Seems like he makes that move every catch.
by 55f100tx on Nov 20, 2011 12:24 AM CST reply actions
case taking a sack on 4th down is terrible…….you have to throw the ball up for grabs….at least give someone a chance to make a play. maybe he thought he had a 5th down. o_O
by Galactus on Nov 20, 2011 12:25 AM CST reply actions
“Any of you who thinks Ash is the future should take a real hard look in the mirror, because at the end of the day, he is not the answer.”
That just doesn’t make an iota of sense. I’m not Ash. I can look at myself in the mirror all I want, and at the end of the day I will have been a guy who looked at myself real hard in the mirror. I’ll probably conclude that I need to up the mileage on my runs to compensate for the extra beer I’ve been drinking on gameday lately, but none of that will have any bearing on whether or not Ash develops into a winning quarterback.
You win non sequitur of the week.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 20, 2011 12:28 AM CST reply actions
I don’t know anymore. For what this offense is capable of, I think Case could be a game manager. He didn’t play well the last two series, but I really felt like the play calling was suspect there. He’s not a 3 or 4 year starter, CLEARLY, but until there’s a QB on campus who can legitimately outplay him, he seems like a decent option.
by TexanNick on Nov 20, 2011 12:28 AM CST reply actions
Legit question. I’m sure a lot had to do with our fans, but he always took the high road on that. It’s just that our fans refused to believe our qbs were all worse than GG. But, the fact of the matter is that they are. I fear the two best qbs transfered and we were left with the rest. Not that any of the four are Texas good. At least not currently. What a debacle. Thanks Mack and Greg.
Yeah I have to admit I wonder now if things with GG might have gone differently this year if we had the running game early in the year that we had after putting Cochran and Poehlman in. Still not sure though he was good enough to be the real answer. No question though that for all the shit GG took he always took the high road and acted with class.
Overstreet and Brewer would have to be pretty bad not to be 1st and 2nd string come next year.
This is why I feel so hopeless though. Because I’m now starting to believe that QBs not yet on campus are going to be the ones to lead us back, but they won’t be able to do it either without growing pains and getting a couple years experience. That means we’re still years away from Conference Championships much less National Championships.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 20, 2011 12:28 AM CST reply actions
Regarding Davis – The WRs in his recruiting class are all a bust including him. If you shit the bed with both the QB and all the WRs in a class then you get the kind of passing game we’re fielding today. It’s sad that a #2 recruiting class in the nation can underwhelm this much.
by UT07 on Nov 20, 2011 12:30 AM CST reply actions
“Oh and for all you GG haters, if we had him at qb we win that game by 2 touchdowns and probably win at Mizzou. He is lightyears better than Ash and McCoy.
God help us that things have gotten so bad I’m starting to believe this would be true."
You guys can’t do that to yourselves. You’ll go mad. Dammit, now you have me doing it. I keep visualizing Garrett slinging the ball all over the place and trucking people to pick up first downs.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 20, 2011 12:30 AM CST reply actions
The Ash bashing on this thread (and last week’s too) is pretty fucking weak. He isn’t playing well, and he may not be the long-term answer, but he’s also a true freshman who got the reins officially at the OSU game. You know, game fucking 6. He got to campus later than most, his receivers are NOT good, nor is the offensive line, and the offensive weapons that matter most have been dinged up. Here’s what I think alot of you dumb shits don’t get….in practice, against the 1st team D (a pretty fn food unit), he looks better than McCoy. Im not saying that based on Asset reports, its the way organized sports generally work. The best guys show out and they get the reps and mins when it counts.
Don’t get me twisted though, he had a terrible couple of games and im not saying he’s destined for greatness. Im just saying the repeated bashing from a few posters here really needs to stop. It makes you look like uninformed cheerleaders who know jack shit about football.
by gardzilla on Nov 20, 2011 12:32 AM CST reply actions
case taking a sack on 4th down is terrible…….you have to throw the ball up for grabs….at least give someone a chance to make a play.
Exactly! You have to have enough presence of mind to know giving someone a chance to make a play is better than no chance with the sack.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 20, 2011 12:32 AM CST reply actions
Exactly NYB, and given the lack of progress Ash has shown, I’m not totally confident in the coaching staff to bring a QB up to his potential. I mean, I’m sure I’ve seen throws as bad as Ash’s tonight (and last week, for that matter)… I just can’t remember them.
by TexanNick on Nov 20, 2011 12:33 AM CST reply actions
The problem with starting Brewer next year is that Joe, Malcolm, Jaxon, Quandre, Cochren, etc. will be throwing up the deuce on their way to the NFL right about the time Brewer starts getting good.
by UT07 on Nov 20, 2011 12:34 AM CST reply actions
They should have put Mykkele at qb at the start of the season. He reminded me of RG3 in high school.
by 55f100tx on Nov 20, 2011 12:36 AM CST reply actions
Gardzilla, I’m sympathetic to your point, but at this point, with 5 games under his belt as a starter, and 10 games in with a spring, has Ash shown you he can be even a competent passer? I’m starting to think there’s a reason he wasn’t allowed to throw a pass until week 4.
by TexanNick on Nov 20, 2011 12:37 AM CST reply actions
“It makes you look like uninformed cheerleaders who know jack shit about football.”
Agreed, no uninformed shit talking from cheerleaders unless Rule #1 is obeyed.
by UT07 on Nov 20, 2011 12:38 AM CST reply actions
Cant figure out why they quit running Ash, thats the best part of his game. He also seemed more comfortable in the passing game when he had a few runs under his belt.
by 55f100tx on Nov 20, 2011 12:41 AM CST reply actions
He got to campus later than most,
Quite the opposite I thought. He was an early enrollee and had the benefit of being here through the Spring which most incoming Freshmen wouldn’t have.
Don’t get me twisted though, he had a terrible couple of games and im not saying he’s destined for greatness. Im just saying the repeated bashing from a few posters here really needs to stop. It makes you look like uninformed cheerleaders who know jack shit about football.
I’m not sure who all you are specifically referring to, but I can tell you I’ve been an Ash apologist for the most part this season, but these last two games are just too much to keep it up. I understand he’s young, so I’m not saying I doubt him now because we lost. It’s because in two games he’s led us to a grand total of 6 points. And these aren’t against Bama/LSU type defenses either. Inexperience alone can’t justify that level of ineptitude.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 20, 2011 12:42 AM CST reply actions
Does anyone else think Chet Moss needs to do a little less talking and a little more doing?? Understand he’s not playing but his latest Twitter nugget is the following:
“Can’t wait to get that BCS ring next year”
by UT07 on Nov 20, 2011 12:56 AM CST reply actions
2 catches would have made a big difference. Grant dives in endzone and davis at the ten. The line blocking is way too high on run and p block. Saw it live. OLine collapses when they are blocking high. They get knocked off balance and hence the hurries stops at the line with 2 yard runs. Ash miscued at least 4 plays I saw along with a mystery invisible man hand off. I think aggies smell blood. They need more irby score type plays.
by Longonhorns on Nov 20, 2011 12:58 AM CST reply actions
NYB, I wasnt referring to you, fwiw. I may have gotten my wires crossed on Ash’s early enrollee status, but it doesn’t change the other factors that are working against all UT qbs this year
Maybe we all got our hopes up after reading Cigar/Asset reports when we should have realized that talent evaluation issues have another year or two to bear fruit, rotten as it may be
by gardzilla on Nov 20, 2011 12:59 AM CST reply actions
Five million fucking dollars per year for this shit. Just get the fuck out of town already, Mack, you washed-out fraud.
by JMR on Nov 20, 2011 1:23 AM CST reply actions
In the first half it seemed as though every 3rd down the UT offense faced Harsin tried to call a play that took Ash out of the game, like the wild cody. That doesn’t show trust in your QB. Ash’s confidence has to be gone, as well as the Harsin’s confidence in him. I think McCoy should get the start the next 2 games. Lets see what he can do for a whole game. I’m tired of this musical quarterbacks B.S.
I was at the game and have to say there were two turning points in the game. The kick catch interference penalty and Mack kicking the field goal when we’re on the 11. Mack conceded the game at that point, because a fg does us no good. It just gives Mack talking points about how hard this team fought. I don’t think the corner route on 3rd down from the 11 was catchable by Grant, but I hated his effort this game. I think we all know our QB’s aren’t the best but at least get your jersey dirty and dive. He had a similar effort on an Ash pass in the first half.
by sportsanthem on Nov 20, 2011 1:26 AM CST reply actions
Why are ya’ll so intent on starting a freshman QB in the first place. Ash (and Brewer next year) wasn’t gonna come in and save the entire program as a frosh, that just doesn’t happen but once a decade.
Ride Case (as a game manger) as long as our stable of running backs and amazing defense will let us IMO.
by DT on Nov 20, 2011 1:29 AM CST reply actions
Anyone notice all the people getting kicked out tonight? The only thing the guy in front of me kept screaming was Fire Mack and Mack you suck. They had that place on lockdown.
by Shocked on Nov 20, 2011 1:37 AM CST reply actions
After wading through 899 posts, I got nothin’ for you save for this:
Mack
Gotta
Go
by AKHorn on Nov 20, 2011 2:20 AM CST reply actions
From a fan’s perspective at the game, I’m going to be the first to say that we have no QB. Neither one could do anything. Throws were off target, poor decision making, no good audibles. (He next person that I hear say Case should start is going to get smacked. He was just as bad as Ash and has ZERO arm strength at all. Our guys can’t seem to lead anyone which is a fatal flaw for a QB. Noticed it during warmups too. Brewer shows some serious talent on tv so please God let him be the real deal.
Our running game seemed very lackluster. Power right way too much. Their weak side was screaming to be run at but was never really challenged. In all honesty, I like Harsin, but another year of these kind of calls and not at least trying to take advantage of a weakness means he should go. Hopefully he gets things together for gaggie…luckily Gray is out now too.
Kudos to the defense…lights out football. Acho has really turned it up and JJ is rollin’ now. Our defense is top notch and I would put them against the best of them the way they are playing after BlowU. Diaz has earned his paycheck in my opinion. If the D picks up next year where this one leaves off…top 3 in the country easily. Diggs and Byndom are salty corners and not to be messed with now. We will miss Kenny V.
Now to the shitty part. This has to be one of the worst officiated games I have seen in a LONG time. The muffed punt interference call was complete bs. The refs didn’t even confer to talk about it. The lack of reviews against ksu amazed me (ie that incomplete pass bc his foot touched out of bounds before he drug his other foot). The PI call on Byndom was the last straw…it was right in front of me and was a clean battle for an uncatchable ball anyway so there is no way in hell that is PI. The non-call 3 delay of games that ksu got away with and the mystery 10seconds they got back…wtf? Really? Are we playing in rec football now? Unbelievable how bad these officials were and I never use that as an excuse. So bad that even I joined in on the booing because I couldn’t stomach it anymore.
Overall, poor poor offensive showing with little glimmer of hope at QB. NO case isn’t the answer at all. Ash took a big step back. The D can play with anyone, period. With Gray out…we have a good shot at aggie if we can get a run game going but who knows because now they see our QBs can’t play for shit.
by STLaw on Nov 20, 2011 3:00 AM CST reply actions
gotta commend texannick and nikki for bringing this shit down to drool cup level. honestly… bra-fucking-vo.
by mattdubya on Nov 20, 2011 3:04 AM CST reply actions
A lot of people posting on this site will have headaches this morning.
Please tell me you were drunk when you wrote this stupid shit.
Thanks for confirming I did the right thing by giving up booze.
by My name is nobody on Nov 20, 2011 4:49 AM CST reply actions
I particularly like the post calling out Chet Moss.
I hate losing on so many levels.
by My name is nobody on Nov 20, 2011 5:05 AM CST reply actions
Here is what I was thinking of during the game (while my hands were over my face in frustration – my 6 year old son kept asking, “Daddy, why do you cover your face?”)
I was thinking, “This is what I expect to read from The Asset this next week”
Early in the week, [insert QB name here] initially had an okay practice. The following day, [insert CQ name here] had a poor practice. But on the third day, [insert QB name here], the light bulb finally seemed to go off in his head.
And then, two redacted plays, were practiced. It should be interesting.
The QB report is almost always the same. And, if we’re behind and their defense doesn’t fear our QBs, what’s the point of having [redacted] plays?
by Thor's Brother on Nov 20, 2011 6:42 AM CST reply actions
For perspective:
1965
1966
1967
Think about it.
by lurkerinthedark on Nov 20, 2011 6:45 AM CST reply actions
Really glad I slept through last night’s game. It isn’t that hard to find a QB, really. Other schools do it all the time. I guess it’s a combination of system (we are running an offense that differs considerably from the spread every one plays in high school) and the unbelievably awful receivers (seriously, we have no one that ever gets open and little Shipley doesn’t change that — it’s outrageous that we have a receiving corp without a single playmaker in it). On top of that, though, it’s hard to believe we cannot find a QB better than what we have, freshman or not. I thought Ash would show flashes coupled with youthful mistakes. We get the latter, but not the former. McCoy is just too limited.
How is it that we have the worst QB play in the Big 12? That Chuckie Keeton, from Cy-Fair, is a better 2-star freshman QB for Utah State than anyone we have on campus? That we miss on recruiting at the positions that the state of Texas is SUPPOSED to produce talent at (WR, QB)? Defense is fine, but it mostly has been. Granted, we finally found RBs. But what about the rest of the damn offense?
by Toadvine on Nov 20, 2011 6:55 AM CST reply actions
Bartoncreek said: November 19th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
Oh and for all you GG haters, if we had him at qb we win that game by 2 touchdowns and probably win at Mizzou. He is lightyears better than Ash and McCoy.
No doubt. I think we all remember how great Gilbert was against KSU last year.
by Loftin's Bowtie on Nov 20, 2011 7:30 AM CST reply actions
I like Case’s play SLIGHTLY better than Ash’s right now (Ash has hit the wall and the game just won’t slow down for him without another full offseason of experience), but damn that kid has a noodle arm. Just lacking in God-given physical ability at the QB position in every regard. He needs to start against A&M but after that he’s a career emergency back-up.
by HelmetBoy on Nov 20, 2011 7:44 AM CST reply actions
Ash will be a lot further along than Brewer come next season – can’t imagine that a true freshman can make up the difference – even if he is physically good to go and has spring ball. Ash has a big headstart – last summer, a full season and bowl practice is a lot of reps.
by EnglishAg on Nov 20, 2011 7:47 AM CST reply actions
The best this offense has looked was when we were rotating QB’s. Think UCLA and the 2nd half of BYU. Might as well go back to that. Neither of these guys alone is the answer.
by Savage Henry on Nov 20, 2011 8:15 AM CST reply actions
The Asset = one of the waterboys/girls
Big Cigar = Newbie life member, Texas Exes, who just got his bumper sticker
by hornsaplenty on Nov 20, 2011 8:43 AM CST reply actions
Loftin—-maybe so, but then again GG’s the same guy who was 2 for 8 for 8 yards with two INT’s against BYU after already having a lot more starts than Ash or Case. He was hardly looking like even a decent QB
by SlickStreet on Nov 20, 2011 8:45 AM CST reply actions
I gave up my season tickets after last year because they’re so overpriced. Went to the last 3 this year and paid $40 to get into each. That tells you how overpriced these tickets are.
I think last night will be my last trip to the worlds largest ad for awhile. They’ve just totally ruined the gameday experience. The loudest the crowd got last night was when the got the wave going. The fucking wave! I’d rather tailgate and watch it on TV. Plus Bill Littles voice gives me heartburn.
by Savage Henry on Nov 20, 2011 8:54 AM CST reply actions
Insofar as our receiving corps, I don’t blame the kids. I blame the coaches, and primarily Bobby Kennedy.
My own example is Ty Montgomery. As a senior at St. Marks in Dallas, he was all about Texas. He wanted to be a Longhorn so bad he could taste it. Bobby Kennedy strung him along thru the Acho brothers, but it was very clear to Montgomery that Darius White was Texas’ choice (at one point I thought that not recruiting Ty might cost Texas a shot at Jackson Jeffcoat, because the two kids’ moms had become such good friends).
Flash forward. Montgomery is starting for Top Ten Stanford and scored on a reverse to open Stanford’s game with Cal tonight. All summer long the Stanford seniors raved about his work ethic and talent. The kid is nails on the football field, and fits every additional and exasperating quality that Mack says he is looking for in a recruit.
Bottom line. We recruited the wrong kids, which should be the mantra for the 2011 Texas Longhorns.
by il cattivo on Nov 20, 2011 8:59 AM CST reply actions
I’m going to second Savage Henry. I think that both of the QBs have trouble with the pressure more than anything. By having both of them get time on the bench between plays and know that they won’t be counted on for everything I think helps with that.
by Fritz on Nov 20, 2011 9:13 AM CST reply actions
I am with il cattivo.
Maybe it’s time to stop just relying on recruiting services and to actually do some scouting of our own?
by Toadvine on Nov 20, 2011 9:29 AM CST reply actions
Only fitting that somebody invoke swagger in this thread. That’s the answer, btw.
by Arriviste on Nov 20, 2011 9:29 AM CST reply actions
Kirk Bohls article about Ash and McCoy today hit the spot. Have not seen Bohls this animated in quite a while. He even thew in a nice little shot on Harsins play calling.
by 55f100tx on Nov 20, 2011 9:46 AM CST reply actions
Scip-
Well a couple of weeks ago you thought you had put me in my place by saying Landry Jones was not good as a freshman and I proved you wrong.
Landry Jones as freshman 26 tds 14 int.
David Ash as freshman 3tds 7int. Can you see yet?
Cannot send a duck to eagle school!
Sorry those that have a mancrush!
by MikeyD on Nov 20, 2011 10:43 AM CST reply actions
Elsewhere I see some theorizing that Mack is meddling with the O. Regardless, i am disappoint with the playcalling and the coping with our limitations at skill positions that seems apparent. I would love not to be able to blame HarsinWhite.
by 2xHorn on Nov 20, 2011 10:51 AM CST reply actions
It’s like the McWilliams teams of my childhood. Good defense and shitty offense.
I’m really pissed that Mack let this happen here. If we go 6-7 he shouldn’t have any defenders left. What does he do anyway?
by Savage Henry on Nov 20, 2011 10:53 AM CST reply actions
Let’s just hope Brewer beats these guys out. I would hate to be stuck with them as the starter. I think it is coming boys and girls. I do see some growth from the fans…many less excuses why Ash had a bad game…last week stopped counting at 49!
Neither of these guys were good in HS, so give them a break…they just are not good.
Good call Greg Davis on Ash!
by MikeyD on Nov 20, 2011 10:59 AM CST reply actions
I love UT.. I always will love UT.. but anyone that honestly thinks we are going to take this team into college station and win on thanksgiving night is in complete denial. A&M is the most talented bust of a team in college football this season. They are top ten talent and have emploded in the second half of almost all their games. The only game they werent in was the Oklahoma game.. every other game they should have won.
I hate the aggies and I’m so glad they are going to the SEC!! That place is going to be rockin- the aggies play us like its their superbowl every year and this being the final game against us for who knows how long.. They will be more fired up than any other time this year .. those farmers will be whooping and kissing each other all night long.
If we can keep this game within a touchdown I will be surprised and thats only because of our defense ( which is playing like a top ten defense hands down!!) I hate to sound negative or like I’m trolling or being an aggie, I just hate how completely out of touch with reality some of our fanbase is over at burnt orange nation. The majority of them are saying we will go on the road and beat the aggies and baylor… I just watched baylor last night and we aren’t gonna beat that team either.
I pray that I’m wrong and that we finish 8-4 with wins over two very talented teams in a&m and baylor and that I will gladly eat crow and say I’m a re-tard
by Travis on Nov 20, 2011 11:07 AM CST reply actions
I would much rather have a good Freshman QB that has no experience than a terrible Soph QB that has experience. So all that complain about another Freshman taking over better think.
by MikeyD on Nov 20, 2011 11:07 AM CST reply actions
Talk about recruiting misses – let’s see what happens with Johnny Manziel. This kid was an absolute gamer in both his Jr. and Sr. seasons playing on probably the 3rd or 4th best 4A team in the state(who unfortunately got paired against Lake Travis in the 2nd round last year). He put up ridiculous numbers for the world to see, and was ours for the taking(grew up a Texas fan). That Oregon wanted him should tell you something. Of course, he wanted to stay close to home so wound up at A&M. Meanwhile we had Ash signed from the start, who has all the “measurables” but compared to Manziel ON THE FIELD, well, there was no comparison. Malcom Brown called him the “best football player he’s ever seen”(Tivy beat Steele who was the 5A champs).
I am still rooting for him to do well – but as a Longhorn I will throw up if he has a stellar carreer for A&M. Anybody who missed this kid simply wasn’t paying attention.
by trkhorn on Nov 20, 2011 11:20 AM CST reply actions
Travis,
Wtf are you talking about??? Nobody on here is saying that. Nobody with a brain at least. This team will need a bowl win (guessing in Yankee stadium) to finish above .500.
by Savage Henry on Nov 20, 2011 11:21 AM CST reply actions
I share the dislike for how the offense is executing as much as anyone, but glad to see the defense playing at a high level once more. Congrats to Irby for scoring a touchdown on senior night. Every time the opposing team punts, I wonder if Texas will be called for making contact with the punter. Similarly, every time Tucker rugby punts I worry it might be blocked. However, Tucker’s ability to provide his own coverage on kickoffs and punts has been a blessing to the special teams unit. While I’m thinking of it, thank you to all the seniors for choosing Texas and may God bless you going forward.
old texas fan,
I found your posts hilarious. Thanks for that.
Sasha,
Bazinga?
Major Cult,
Surely you’d give your offspring up for adoption rather than torture them.
Nikki,
I hope you own the BrettSmith.com address, though I don’t know what he has to do with Texas. You can’t plug and play any freshman QB into any offense. Each situation and the individuals involved come with their own variables.
lurker,
Unfortunately, it is looking like that LSU v. Alabama rematch will occur. I won’t even tune into the game that night if those are the competitors. The first game was bad enough. Just makes me wish for an eight team playoff more. More exciting matchups somewhere along the way, and a lot easier to stomach that mess if they had to go through a gauntlet before a potential rematch.
Anyone seriously interested in JUCO QBs:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/jcgridiron/football/recruiting/rankings/2012
There’s pro style and "duel-threat" quarterback links near the top of the page. Aaron Rodgers was a great JUCO QB, but should we be looking for an Aaron Burr impersonator? I’d be surprised if anyone posting here has the pull to get these guys evaluated and recruited, but have at it.
by Saul on Nov 20, 2011 11:28 AM CST reply actions
Saul,
You can’t plug a freshman into any offense? Have you watched football this year? There’s freshman QB’s all over the place making plays.
by Savage Henry on Nov 20, 2011 11:43 AM CST reply actions
As the SEC fortifies it position at the top in the national championship race, and the Big 12 fades, would you say that it is due to a talent differential, or would you say that Big 12 coaches are inferior? If injuries are the issue, why is the Big 12 more prone than other conferences?
by RenoHorn on Nov 20, 2011 11:49 AM CST reply actions
Perhaps, next year’s freshman or sophomore quarterback doesn’t even begin to cure what actually ails Texas Football. I wonder, who does Mack Brown wish to see win it all now?
by RenoHorn on Nov 20, 2011 11:56 AM CST reply actions
Thanks for the JuCo link, Saul. It seems absolutely clear to me that we should go that route, despite never even considering it before.
It takes a certain set of circumstances to require it, and we’ve got them all: A) a bunch of QBs who can’t get the job done; B) need to build a bridge to incoming talent; C) a supporting cast that is not an overall rebuilding lineup but may in fact have every other piece in place for a serious run. This is us in ’12, to a T.
Now, whether there’s a player who fits the bill is another matter. But we owe it to everyone else on the team to look hard for that guy over the next couple of months. Fair chance that he’s out there. The stakes are far too high here to dismiss the notion.
by Editionshield on Nov 20, 2011 12:08 PM CST reply actions
I see no downside to bringing in a juco QB.
Savage Henry, I could not agree with you more about the game day experience. I can still hear Bob Cole shouting about something in my head. And nothing says “college football” like “Sweet Child of Mine.”
by Juice on Nov 20, 2011 12:24 PM CST reply actions
I’m really pissed that Mack let this happen here. If we go 6-7 he shouldn’t have any defenders left. What does he do anyway?
He’s a $5 million dollar cheerleader. If you need someone to stand on the sideline and motivate by clapping his hands, he’s the guy. If you need someone to tell an opponent that just kicked your ass how much he’s rooting for him, he’s the guy. If you need someone to hug an injured opponent kiss him on the cheek and feed him some warm soup while his own team is trying to figure out how to stop floundering, he’s the guy.
If you need someone for innovative Xs and Os or strategic decisions, he’s not the guy. If you need someone to hold his coaches accountable for their decisions in talent evaluation inability to implement schemes (like running the football) or bad playcalling, he’s not the guy. If you need someone to make smart decisions about who to play instead of basing it on seniority, he’s not the guy.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 20, 2011 12:38 PM CST reply actions
I see no downside to bringing in a juco QB.
This is a pipe dream. This is first time in Mack’s 14 year career at Texas that he’s even been willing to consider a JUCO for ANY position on the team. There is absolutely no way he will ever consider putting the QB position in the hands of a JUCO.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 20, 2011 12:41 PM CST reply actions
Let me remind everyone that Harsin’s offense requires a QB with a very specific skillset for his offense to hum. He has stated exactly what he looks for in a QB. Accurate, good decision maker, does not turn the ball over, can stretch the field. Keep in mind that Harsin’s first opportunity to hand select his QB recruits came with Connor Brewer. That being said, it is too soon to give up on Ash. Absolutely, Ash has had poor showings this year and has demonstrated accuracy issues, as well as poor decision making. Ash may pan out, he may not. However, Harsin is trying to make his offense work with QB’s that were Greg Davis recruits. (Ash might actually be pretty good in a zone read style offense. I sometimes wonder if Greg would have gotten us more points on the board running the old VY/Colt offense with Ash. I digress.) If Harsin can develop those required skills into Ash during the bowl practice season and during the offseason, with the addition of Johnathan Gray next year and an improved David Ash, we will be rewarded for our patience this year. All I’m saying is stop banging your heads against the wall, take a step back, a deep breath, and evaluate the process without blowing up over every single loss while the process lays out. Instant gratification just isn’t happening and you never should have expected it.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 20, 2011 12:42 PM CST reply actions
^^ that should be “while the process plays out.”
by burntorangejuice on Nov 20, 2011 12:43 PM CST reply actions
Jesus,
At this point, for those of us who wish to have an intelligent conversation with rational (or relatively sober) people, I’d suggest setting up a secret, by invitation only, thread. I know that’s probably not BC’s style to be that way, but this shit is getting exasperating and desperate times call for desperate measures.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 20, 2011 12:47 PM CST reply actions
by all means, start your own secret, all-knowing, elitist thread … you smart guys could instantly gratify each other all night long!
by RenoHorn on Nov 20, 2011 12:53 PM CST reply actions
First Time Poster here – it’s long, but indicative of the Program issues and frustration we all have:
The issues surrounding the Football program have been well documented and debated ad nauseum for the last year. I just read the note from Savage Henry regarding season tickets and earlier post about the stadium being on “lock down”. I agree: the game day experience has been on decline for a long time. I am in the same camp, Savage, and I too believe my own “story” is endemic of the problems that surround the Program.
Yes, Mack Inc. got fat. We have underachieved in the weight room, talent selection, recruiting, blah blah blah…all true. However, the issues run so much deeper. The University and the Athletic Department are fat, arrogant and no matter what they say or do flat out don’t give two-shits about the fan base – that is the fan base that has helped develop Longhorn athletics into a powerful brand. Deloss and Company deserve great credit, but they have also fucked the guy and family that bleeds burnt orange. The little guy that buys tickets, shirts, gear, etc.. the guy that travels great distances with family and chooses to spend discretionary income on all things Horns. They cater to the “stay in the Club room and drink margaritas fans”. Hey, I like a like a cold beverage too, but shit, at least I sit outside and support the team. “Wine and Cheese” could not be any more true today.
From 2003 to 2010, we had season tickets. My kids were 3 and 5 when we started. We traveled 420 miles from our home to Austin 6-7 times per year for games. We attended all RRR each year. We traveled to bowl games, including all three Rose Bowls. We traveled nearly every Spring for the Orange-White game. Each year the ticket prices climbed, the donation levels rose, but I kept pouring my heart, soul and dollars into the program. It was our choice – we loved it, we wouldn’t take it back for anything.
Flash forward to last year.
My seat location – along with my considerable donation level – continued to improve. I couldn’t justify the cost and time for a full season this past year; kids getting older, busier and dollars getting slightly tighter. I figured out that in Longhorn Foundation dues over the years, we gave close to $30k total plus the high cost of season tickets. When I asked if I could lower my dues for a year, but keep my same seats – the Foundation didn’t even respond to my request. They simply released the tickets. They didn’t even say thanks for the business or come back or let’s put you in different seats….fucking nothing. Simply put, they got their ESPN money and said “we don’t need you any longer.” “Take your $10k donation..(yes, $10k in 2010) and your four season tickets, your money spent each weekend at the Co-Op, and we’ll sit on them and keep the prices up. We don’t give a shit about the past, we only want to keep the price level up.”
Flash forward to this season. I’m watching PAC12 games with my kid because we can’t get the Longhorn Network. I bought tickets for the Rice game on stub hub…at over face value…you know who the seller was….Texas Box Office. They were upper level West side, end zone seats..that they sold at $5 over face value per ticket. Guess what.? Some dude shows up in 2nd Q with the same seats! He got free from a “big wig” on UT board or some shit….. They sold me the same tickets they gave out free. The funny part too is that my old season ticket seats remained empty along with several others around them the entire game. I sent a note to Texas Box as a courtesy to just let them know about the snafu on the duplicate tickets they sold me….guess what response I got…NOTHING! I sent the same to Stub Hub; they gave me my fee back and apologized profusely.
That’s it in a nutshell for me. Texas will remain strong, no doubt. I just honestly believe the arrogance and commercial focus will undermine the passion of the fan base over the long term. I mean shit the student section sucks for the most part. The fans are weak in the stands. The gameday experience has been on decline. My kid who is all-things Longhorn, can’t watch some of the games on TV anymore.
The coaching and team play is often a reflection of the uber-commercial, arrogant, and dispassionate University. I sincerely hope we can find it again.
Hook ’em
by Wounded_Hornfan on Nov 20, 2011 12:54 PM CST reply actions
Burnt
The juice has gotten to your head. Ash is not going to “pan out” as you hope. Enjoy your dreaming but you need a dose of reality as a new sheriff must come.
by MikeyD on Nov 20, 2011 12:55 PM CST reply actions
Geez. Talk about a manic-depressive fan base right now. Way up, way down.
On Mack — Mack had UNC this close to undefeated seasons – plural. Look at that train wreck since. Maybe that’s who he was, not who he is, but his ability to wring potential from organizations that others could not (and have not since) got him the Texas job. Maybe he’s become too much an insider at this point to recognize where the opportunities and obstacles are to be found. If so, that’s a common disease in the aftermath of success – people lose their ability to recognize their own crap, and people around them won’t tell them. We immediately recognize the virus in artists (such as musicians and authors), but for some reason we like to pretend that it doesn’t happen in a corporate setting. Bull****. Maybe last season was Mack’s “U2” moment (if you don’t know the reference, google “reapplying for best band in the world”), but only if that recognition started as self-recognition. This is his band. It’s not a new bass player’s or drummer’s job to put Texas back on top.
On LSU-Bama: If both get there (and I think Auburn will pull the upset), then I will definitely watch. I loved the first game. Loved the hitting, loved the decisions Saban had to make about field goals or punts, loved watching the defenses make play after play. Offense may be chocolate, but after nearly a decade in Willy Wonka’s College Football Chocolate factory, vanilla tastes pretty damned good right now. How many more games are we going to see lost because the defense on top-freaking-10 teams cannot make a stop to save their lives? How many receivers are we going to see get loose deep with 30 seconds to go for a game-winning touchdown. It may be entertaining, but we used to call it incompetent football.
Long story short – I consider an LSU-Alabama rematch a plea from the football gods. How else can you explain the last two weeks?
by G.O.F. on Nov 20, 2011 12:58 PM CST reply actions
Here’s the best news: in a couple of weeks my weekends will be freed up to do whatever the fudge I please! I need to get back to some fly fishing.
by UT07 on Nov 20, 2011 1:05 PM CST reply actions
Bohls: He must be the worst practice player in the history of college football because he lights up during games and demonstrates a poise and presence on game day that Ash never seems to convey. Neither has an iota of experience. Ash has had five starts and lost three of them. McCoy started three games and beat two of his opponents, both UCLA and Iowa State on the road, before losing against Oklahoma. OK, so he’s not Robert Griffin III yet. But who is?
This, right friggin here.
by TexanNick on Nov 20, 2011 1:06 PM CST reply actions
RenoHorn,
I’m not talking about something tantamount to the gifted and talented school program here. I’m talking about having precal and letting those still struggling to solve single variable equations stay in remedial algebra.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 20, 2011 1:08 PM CST reply actions
Burnt said
“I’m not talking about something tantamount to the gifted and talented school program here. "
You finally got 1 right!
by MikeyD on Nov 20, 2011 1:11 PM CST reply actions
A thought about the receiving threat next year: Grey is a legitimate pass catcher. Better than Fozzy. I watched him in 7 on 7s at The Opening with Brewer and he looked better than the average receiver at that camp. I think we’ll have a serviceable receiving corps next year with Ship, Davis, Grey, and Goodwin.
by UT07 on Nov 20, 2011 1:15 PM CST reply actions
Edition,
No problem. I narrowed that list to about seven guys as of last week that I thought looked interesting, but I don’t make those calls.
Savage,
Perhaps I should reword my sentiments in light of your interpretation. I am not saying freshmen can not make a positive contribution. I’m saying just because a given player is deemed a success at School A, it doesn’t necessarily follow that he would make the same impact at School B because the rest of the situation (teammates, coaches, play calls, competition, injuries, etc.) would not be fixed. You can’t know these things absolutely. Just have to evaluate recruits as best you can, coach them, and hope for the best.
I’m not saying there aren’t issues with aspects of the current roster, just that plug and play is too simple a thought process. Obviously, the staff of the past few years hasn’t fared as well in these areas as we would prefer, which is why many are no longer on the payroll. We’re going to have to wait to see how the current staff is able to address the problems to judge their skill level. No overnight fix possible.
G.O.F.,
I don’t believe in football gods, but I’m sure many would enjoy that game. Not my football style preference and I saw enough the first time around.
by Saul on Nov 20, 2011 1:17 PM CST reply actions
BoJ … it’s quite funny that you talk and have attitude as if you’re the professor, but I’m not seeing the proof of your particular intellect in your posts.
by RenoHorn on Nov 20, 2011 1:17 PM CST reply actions
BOJ
Are you serious? I have seen you post several times and have yet to see the first intelligent comment. You seem to just be a circle jerker for David Ash that operates without a brain.
by Duke on Nov 20, 2011 1:24 PM CST reply actions
Burntorangejuice-
Go ahead and start that thread. That way you and the insiders can all talk about how great Ash is coming along and how awesome Harsin is. It will just make the cognitive dissonance that much stringer for you on game day.
by Newy25 on Nov 20, 2011 1:25 PM CST reply actions
I also wonder what value Mack provides at this point outside of locking up a few recruits
I don’t understand the endgame for the Brown era. Does he just want to get back to respectability and quit? Wouldn’t it be better for the long-term health of the program to allow the new HC to conduct the rebuilding process?
I wonder if Mack will bail now that it is becoming clear that we aren’t going to have a legit QB who can challenge for CCs much less MNCs until 2013 at the earliest.
by Oreo on Nov 20, 2011 1:41 PM CST reply actions
Mikey
Your stats on Ash are wrong…it is 3 TDs and 8 INTs.
Do you realize how bad that is????
If you cannot then maybe you need to watch another sport because that is as bad as I have seen.
by Duke on Nov 20, 2011 1:42 PM CST reply actions
I can’t believe Brown is not getting more heat for not going for it on 4th down inside the 10 with 4 minutes to play. It’s not as if we had been moving the ball and worst case is we pin KSU deep.
I have seen considerable improvement from Diaz’s unit this year. Kudos to him. It will be nice to see a full defensive backfield next season to compliment our returning players. Thanks to Robinson, Acho, and Randall for your 4-5 years.
We have no talent on offense except for true frosh. It’s pathetic what happened to this program. Good job recruiting Griffin, Mack. You figured it was too easy with VY. Good job on all the other misses like Luck, Wright, James, Shepard, etc.
by Groundhog Day on Nov 20, 2011 1:50 PM CST reply actions
You who are so up in arms about my half-serious suggestion to start a secret thread (like the mysterious secret emails) should take a moment and consider why you assume that you are among those who I would want to be left out of the secret thread if I were serious about taking such a measure.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 20, 2011 1:57 PM CST reply actions
I can’t believe Brown is not getting more heat for not going for it on 4th down inside the 10 with 4 minutes to play. It’s not as if we had been moving the ball and worst case is we pin KSU deep.
That pissed me off. I’m not a yeller while watching games and I was cursing at the TV screen. That move had Mack written all over it, and is why I wish he would step back and let the assistants make the game time decisions. Who knows what Major and Harsin would have decided to do- they may have been on board with that decision – but I’d love to see some aggressiveness in our decision making in such situations.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 20, 2011 2:02 PM CST reply actions
burnt
Leave me out!!! Please!!! Leave me out!!!
I just do not know who would want to join your club.
Maybe you are a troll, because I cannot fathom anyone still in love with Ash if they have watched him play this year.
by MikeyD on Nov 20, 2011 2:03 PM CST reply actions
I’ve slept on it. It’s not Ash or McCoy’s fault that they aren’t capable of playing the qb position. Ash shouldn’t be playing, he should be redshirting this year and sitting and watching the two years after that. McCoy shouldn’t really even be here. We should have two qbs that are redshirt sophomores-seniors at 1st and 2nd string.
It is all on Mack. Sure, Greg had a lot to do with it, but ultimately this is ALL Mack’s fault. It’s not the QBs fault they can’t play. It’s not Harsin’s fault, although his play calling/gameplan the last two weeks has been on the level of Greg Davis bad. It is all Mack’s fault.
The QB, WR and TE evaluation the last 5 years has been so bad that honestly any coach that had anything whatsoever to do with it needs to be removed. That includes Mack and Chambers and Major (I hope Major wasn’t involved). It is time for Mack to hang it up. It never should have gotten this bad.
Vince bought him 5 years. It is up and there is no Vince to overcome Mack this time around. Please don’t let it get worse, retire now and maintain some amount of dignity. The national title makes up for the lack of conference championships and history will remember Mack well. If he hangs on…………………
by Bartoncreek on Nov 20, 2011 2:06 PM CST reply actions
From my view in the stands, McCoy is a difference maker. The team plays different when he is in the game. I swear the defense looked ready to quit after that last Ash series, but when McCoy came in they played well and hard until the end. I don’t know what is going on with this team – Searles was yelling at the O-line after the first series. Ash came out flat and the team was flat. Harsin needs to find out what McCoy can do and do that. Even when they were alternating QBs, they both did better than the “stick with one QB” plan has worked since. And I won’t even say a word about the referees, ball spots, or why they needed police escort off the field….
by SaltWaterCroc on Nov 20, 2011 2:17 PM CST reply actions
Briefly:
Mack Brown is the problem with the football team.
On Ash: To paraphrase DKR, “If a QB is going to suck ass, he’ll suck ass as a freshman.”
by J.R.69 on Nov 20, 2011 2:18 PM CST reply actions
If watching the last two games doesn’t open Mack’s mind to a junior college QB, nothing will.
As for game day, the worst thing about it is I am pretty sure we are paying someone to “produce” it. No way so many schools play the same classic rock tracks to “excite” the fans without it being part of a package they bought. I’m alone on this, but to me it speaks to the laziness and entitlement that run through the program. I’m not much for tilting at windmills, so I won’t pretend to believe we can turn back the clock and kill the ads and jock rock (although some schools have never gone down the path in the first place), but if we’re going to be aikir league hockey arena, can we at least get creative? Play something unique, something different from what they’re playing at MAC games? I’d hire that kid who got fired by Alabama for playing “Take the Money and Run” when Cam Newton came to town.
by Juice on Nov 20, 2011 2:18 PM CST reply actions
MikeyD,
Please, go find a single post where I have stated that I’m in love with Ash. The most positive thing I’ve said about Ash in this whole thread was “we’ll see if Harsin can develop him with a bowl season of practices and the offseason.” If you tranlsate that to, “Ash is the answer and I’m in love with him,” then the problem is with your comprehension skills.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 20, 2011 2:25 PM CST reply actions
And I won’t even say a word about the referees, ball spots, or why they needed police escort off the field….
This is something we just have to live with this year and maybe beyond. If anyone thinks all the outcries of “evil Texas is driving schools away from the Big12 and killing the conference” isn’t heard by referees as well you’re kidding yourself.
I’m not going to bitch about it because we can’t do anything about it. This is something I was expecting this year and maybe for the next few years depending on what else happens to the conference. The silence from Belmont all these months that everyone has been publicly labelling us as the villains has only reinforced this perspective in the minds of those already inclined to believe it.
What it really comes down to is that we have to play good enough to not leave it in the referees hands. Instead we’ve done just the opposite; played so poorly that we can’t win without the refs calling everything just right.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 20, 2011 2:31 PM CST reply actions
If watching the last two games doesn’t open Mack’s mind to a junior college QB, nothing will.
Unfortunately I think that’s the case. “Nothing will.” Mack’s middle name is Stubborn.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 20, 2011 2:34 PM CST reply actions
if you dont see the downside in getting a juco qb- spend time around a juco team.
Juco players are there for a reason. Usually those are off the field reasons and reasons you may not see on saturday nights. We dont want that and dont need it. Especially at QB.
by PVogel on Nov 20, 2011 2:34 PM CST reply actions
I haven’t read every post, but surely someone has questioned Harsin’s ability. Ten games in, we have NO QB development, regardless of potential. Game calling is obviously suspect, but more importantly, neither Ash or McCoy looks like they have a clue.
I watch lots of games and ours stand out in their ineptness. The gratitude on GDGD’s departure seems to have given Harsin a pass that, imo, he doesn’t deserve.
by OldBullhorn on Nov 20, 2011 2:37 PM CST reply actions
burnt
You said Ash’s upside was that of Oliver Luck. Hello!
by MikeyD on Nov 20, 2011 2:39 PM CST reply actions
I believe that was last week but it could have been week before. 1 of your Einstein like statements. I do think your insider group is a good idea for you.
by MikeyD on Nov 20, 2011 2:42 PM CST reply actions
MikeyD,
Do you know what upside means? Did you read the part where I said it was yet to be determined whether he could reach that potential and the mental aspect of the game would determine that. You read what I say and insert your own meaning. Again, your mistranlsations are due to your poor comprehension of what I am saying.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 20, 2011 2:47 PM CST reply actions
BartonCreek,
You are right about the redshirt thing. Both Case and Ash would have benefited from redshirting this year. Case could have focused on building up his body and arm strength, improving his pocket awareness and ball security and Ash could have learned the new system and gotten acclimated to college ball and reading defenses. Gilbert and Wood would not have transferred (assuming Gilbert’s surgery was elective). Gilbert and Wood might or might not have been better than Case and Ash but at least Case and Ash would have been better prepared to play QB next year. QBs really benefit from a redshirt year.
by Kafka on Nov 20, 2011 3:21 PM CST reply actions
burnt
You are just too smart for the rest of us. We just do not understand upside. Today a dud, tomorrow the Heisman. Got It!
by MikeyD on Nov 20, 2011 3:24 PM CST reply actions
You don’t have to have a Andrew luck or Robert Griffin III type of qb….you just cant turn the ball over…The best two teams in college football are LSU and Alabama …two teams that have horrible qbs but their qbs manage the game and don’t turn the ball over…Texas defense isn’t LSU or Alabama good but we have without question the best defense in the BIG 12 if they can get a qb that just manages the game and doesn’t throw interceptions; they wouldve won the last two games.The frustrating part is when you look around college football all the “good” qbs are from the state of Texas and you think UT cant recruit one? Even Iowa state has a redshirt freshman qb better than Texas that should never happen!!! Texas went “all in” on Garret Gilbert and lost…they didn’t even recruit another qb in 09 they should’ve recruited someone to push him…competition makes you better that’s part of the reason Colt was good because Jevan Snead pushed him and made him earn the position…The bottom liine is this with all the high school qb talent in the state of Texas we should always have at least two on our roster…Ash has been horrible and I mean really horrible; but its hard to ask a qb to come straight out of high school and start…Ash should’ve been redshirted and ……was Conner Wood really that bad?
by FireRickBarnes on Nov 20, 2011 3:29 PM CST reply actions
MikeyD,
There is no challenge in this for me and I’m getting bored of it. If you think that “Today a dud, tomorrow the Heisman.” is a remotely accurate synopsis of my previous statements, then there is no point in continuing this discussion. I knew pretty early on in the exchange – actually, before it started I knew from having read your previous posts that I was relegating myself to Sisyphean fate if I engaged you in a debate – that arguing with you would be a waste of time and would go nowhere, but I was bored. You either refuse or lack the capacity to respond to reason with reason, therefore I’m tapping out. You can go ahead and count this as a win if you like, but doing so would only serve as another demonstration of your cognitive deficiencies.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 20, 2011 3:31 PM CST reply actions
Oh, by the way, I never said that Ash’s upside was comparable to Oliver Luck.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 20, 2011 3:33 PM CST reply actions
FireRB
You are right, we only need a qb that does not make mistakes. Unfortunately, that has been Ash’s problem in HS and now here. I do not think experience changes that a whole lot when you are turnover prone.
by MikeyD on Nov 20, 2011 3:35 PM CST reply actions
was Conner Wood really that bad???
Don’t know, but I do know that for him the competition level for him was like going from Class A minor leagues to the majors. He played at Houston Second Baptist, and threw for a lot of yards and touchdowns, but wasn’t the most accurate passer around.
Even in practice the speed of the game was nothing he had seen and he (reportedly) was the least accurate passer in practice.
by srr50 on Nov 20, 2011 3:41 PM CST reply actions
burnt
By the way, he is no Oliver Luck either. I would be thrilled if he could carry either of those QBs luggage.
by MikeyD on Nov 20, 2011 3:46 PM CST reply actions
Upside is a figment of your own imaginations. Ash upside is huge because he isnt worth a flip right now. Screw upside. I will take Case, he has some fight in him. Screw harsin too. He came up with a gameplan to show a WR recruit we would throw the ball, instead of one to win the game. I figure he lost both.
by 55f100tx on Nov 20, 2011 3:47 PM CST reply actions
Juco players are there for a reason. Usually those are off the field reasons and reasons you may not see on saturday nights. We dont want that and dont need it. Especially at QB.
+1
The juco route isn’t a magic bullet for any of Texas’s problems. Vince could have the supporting cast Ash/McCoy have now & not be able to get much done either.
Neither Ash nor McCoy can lead the O on their own. Therefore, I echo those who advocate going back to the 2 QB system Texas had earlier. At least it worked fairly well. Otherwise, it’s plain insane to continue on the same path as these past 2 weeks.
Harsin was my choice as OC, but his play calling since the OU game has been poor. I don’t know why Ash has stopped running. Harsin is trying to force Ash into becoming a type of QB that doesn’t fit his skill set.
At this point in the season, there are no excuses for why the OL & WR corps are as bad as they are.
by Joetx on Nov 20, 2011 3:54 PM CST reply actions
I blame our QB problems on GJ Kinne. Should have stuck around, son.
by Savage Henry on Nov 20, 2011 3:55 PM CST reply actions
McCoy started three games and beat two of his opponents, both UCLA and Iowa State on the road, before losing against Oklahoma
Colt McCoy beat Iowa state about as much as Big Bertha, Bevo, and Bill Little. Jesus fucking christ.
by Arriviste on Nov 20, 2011 4:01 PM CST reply actions
“Upside is a figment of your own imaginations.” True.
Raw materials:
Andrew Luck: 6’4" 235 lbs.
4.7 40 yard dash
Strong arm
Physical runner
David Ash: 6’3" 222 lbs.
4.6 40 yard dash
Strong arm
Physical runner
As you can see above, from a brick and morter, raw athletic ability standpoint, Andrew Luck and David Ash are very similar. The difference in their abilities, to date, as a quarterback is rooted in the mental aspects of the game. Decision making, accuracy, game management, etc. Based on raw skills and an assumption that there is a possibility (however remote) that with training and experience Ash could improve his mental game to something approaching that of Andrew Luck, then Andrew Luck is a measuring stick of what Ash could develop into based on raw athletic ability alone. That is why I say Andrew Luck is Ash’s upside. Clearly as of now, they are as different as night and day.
Was any of that objectively wrong?
by burntorangejuice on Nov 20, 2011 4:06 PM CST reply actions
Once again I come in here to see a lot of infighting. I tried to warn everyone not to get too high on our quarterback situation because we had just played Kansas and a very depleted and worn out Tech defense. I warned of the peaks and valleys with these guys.
As much as I know that we do not have the quarterbacks here that can get us where we need to be, we must be supportive of both. Maybe one of them can reach caretaker status. If so, we can win out.
As I said last week, the good news is that the recruits know Brewer is coming. A lot of you do not want a freshman because of what we are experiencing this year. Folks, this guy is a “different breed of cat”. Brewer has the tools that these guys will never get and I think we win right away with him.
We are playing the Aggies this week and they need your support. Do not make this personal because you like one or the other of them.
HOOKEM’
by DKR on Nov 20, 2011 4:12 PM CST reply actions
I agree with wounded horn… arrogance is our disease and it ultimately affects productivity on the field. As for the gameday experience/cost and the LHN, there are lots of customers simply walking out of the restaurant right now. I wonder if Bellmont is factoring that into their latest $ equation.
How ironic is it that we are now 2-6 against KSU since 1998. They are the anti-UT, the little engine that could. They’re lucky to get 3-star recruits, and 4-stars are a pipe dream for them. In terms of D-1 programs, they’re the epitome of rinky-dink, yet they own us.
Mack needs to nut up and pull a win out of his ass this Thursday. Looking at this game objectively, it doesn’t seem possible. It’s a miserable week to be a Horn.
by trkhorn on Nov 20, 2011 4:22 PM CST reply actions
BoJ said, “… that with training and experience Ash could improve his mental game to something approaching that of Andrew Luck”
Please get specific … what sort of training, and what’s the duration of training necessary to achieve adequate results? I’m not trying to argue, but you make it sound so simple. Why aren’t their 20 other Andrew Lucks, rather than a couple? To counter your statement on mental upside, maybe Ash is an example of the Peter Principle and this is the best that we’ll see from him. I hope Harsin makes the right call on which ever of the two best describes Texas Longhorn Ash.
I just wish the guy would stop throwing the ball off his back foot and approach the position with gusto (maybe he is, and I’m missing it).
by RenoHorn on Nov 20, 2011 4:29 PM CST reply actions
Srr50, Rover, Scipio, Jesus, Nickel, and Vasher, roundtable this shit already.
by kemit on Nov 20, 2011 4:30 PM CST reply actions
what exactly is meant by “roundtable this shit already”?
by RenoHorn on Nov 20, 2011 4:35 PM CST reply actions
kemit said:
November 20th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Srr50, Rover, Scipio, Jesus, Nickel, and Vasher, roundtable this shit already.
What, are they FB geniuses?
by Joetx on Nov 20, 2011 4:45 PM CST reply actions
If you are obligated to quote Bohls to make a point you’ve lost the argument. It’s an internet rule or something.
by Black Scholes on Nov 20, 2011 5:03 PM CST reply actions
Ash was recruited to be a backup to GG, McCoy was given an offer as a favor to Colt and no one thought he would take it. More importantly, Harsin had nothing to do with either one. I have issues with Harsin’s playcalling at times this year but honestly, he has had virtually nothing to work with. To truly install what he wants to do, we are looking at 3 years at least of recruiting.
by RS on Nov 20, 2011 5:06 PM CST reply actions
RenoHorn,
If I knew all of that I’d be QB coach somewhere making a lot of cash. Generally, when people use the term upside they mean the best the player could be given raw abilities and that attaining that level depends upon successful development. Usually one can speak about something as nebulous as upside without being asked to procure a detailed training plan for how it should be achieved.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 20, 2011 5:36 PM CST reply actions
BO,
That is generally not what people are talking about when they refer to upside. You will learn.
How is the club progressing? Great idea!
by Duke on Nov 20, 2011 5:43 PM CST reply actions
Allright, Duke, enligthen me. If you want to prove me wrong, then provide the correct definition as a counter argument. That’s usually how these things work.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 20, 2011 5:56 PM CST reply actions
@ burntorangejuice
I agree we can’t give up on Ash this year. He will likely be a stop-gap for Brewer honestly because, and I agree, that Brewer fits the intangibles and measurables that Harsin likes. Watched Brewer play and the kid will be a good one…he is a surgeon on the field. The only thing I think Harsin needs to do is throw in some plays that fit more of Ash’s style…ie the Ash package plus some. It wouldn’t cause regression in the installed system now just because it is only adding to it. However, whether that is possible is for the coaches to decide. Either way, Ash needs something. McCoy just isn’t going to get it done…maybe he has the IQ but he lacks in the measurables/intangibles department. Thoughts?
by STLaw on Nov 20, 2011 6:17 PM CST reply actions
Too many fans think Brewer, just out of high school, will immediately come in & play well.
Sweet Jesus (not the Shuttlesworth variety).
A crappy OL & WR corps (I’m still waiting for Mike Davis to live up to the Barkers’ compliments) will produce the same results.
by Joetx on Nov 20, 2011 6:22 PM CST reply actions
Unfortunately as some have noted, neither QB seems to be the answer with the team right now. Just try to imagine Harsin’s dilemma in playcalling: Do I risk calling a pass with Ash and getting a turnover; what pass plays can I call that Case won’t sack himself on or underthrow; What can I call that is quick enough that my OL won’t collapse before the play develops…It has to be extremely frustrating for everyone especially when the opposing D knows all this too. You can say K-state didn’t stack the box, but I can bet they were sure leaning in on most plays knowing our teams problems throwing the ball farther than 10 yards.
by Zeithorn on Nov 20, 2011 6:56 PM CST reply actions
The one thing I’ve taken from glancing through this entire thread is that UT has been handing out a shitload of doctorates in vag rubbing. You guys are fucking pathetic. Everybody knows Mack slept on the jobs for 3-4 years. Last year was the inevitable result. If Mack was shit-canned at the end of last season he would have earned it. He wasn’t. He’s made significant staff changes. As a fan I have two choices: give the new coaches, systems, and recruiting time to work; or go full retard every time we’re not “Texas good”. This season hasn’t really been all that surprising to anyone that’s had their head out of their ass.
If you expect the best from this team hold yourself to the same standard as fans. Support this young team that hasn’t quit in a game yet, and the coaches that are developing young players and scheming around deficiencies they had nothing to do with. Or you could just keep acting like a bunch of entitled ass clowns. The one thing I despise the most about Mack Brown is his use of the word “swagger”. Words used to define swagger include defiant, insolent, brag, boast, and bluster. I think he’s created that culture more among our fan base than he ever did with any of his teams. And it fucking sucks to be around, and it’s got to suck being a player with fans like you. I’ll let you figure out who you are, I’m sure you’ll prove my point.
by AZHorn on Nov 20, 2011 7:05 PM CST reply actions
AZ,
I hope the posts stop here. This says what needs to be said!
“If you expect the best from this team hold yourself to the same standard as fans. Support this young team that hasn’t quit in a game yet, and the coaches that are developing young players and scheming around deficiencies they had nothing to do with”
by DKR on Nov 20, 2011 7:17 PM CST reply actions
I am tempted to go into college football hibernation until the 2013 season. Next season doesn’t promise much. Case will never be a D1 QB. Ash seems to be going the GG route, of too much playing time too soon ruining his confidence and development, which is ironic because it was caused by the failure of GG, which in turn was caused by the lack of a credible back-up (see case McCoy). Basically our QB position has been one big hot mess since Colt left. I don’t want to watch us repeat the same thing for the 3rd year in a row with Brewer. So I think its best I hibernate Until September 2013. Hopefully I’ll come out, have a bit of a stretch, eat some berries and find out that Overstreet lead the ‘horns to an at large BCS bowl as an athletic dual threat sensation, that we are ranked as a pre season top 5, and that the asset has a good QB controversy to report as Brewer has started to justify his 5 star recruiting profile with some special play in practice. The QB position is no longer a decision about who’ll create the least damage, but rather how do we give enough playing time to these two superb young talents, with Ash making a reliable 3rd string.
by Pistol on Nov 20, 2011 7:19 PM CST reply actions
Hopefully I’ll come out, have a bit of a stretch, eat some berries and find out that Overstreet lead the ‘horns to an at large BCS bowl as an athletic dual threat sensation, that we are ranked as a pre season top 5, and that the asset has a good QB controversy to report as Brewer has started to justify his 5 star recruiting profile with some special play in practice. The QB position is no longer a decision about who’ll create the least damage, but rather how do we give enough playing time to these two superb young talents, with Ash making a reliable 3rd string.
Ummm, clearly you would have been dreaming during your hibernation if you think you’ve awoken to this.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 20, 2011 7:56 PM CST reply actions
Bohls also said the McCoy could scramble from the pocket when necessary. That’s when I stopped reading the article.
by Colby on Nov 20, 2011 9:31 PM CST reply actions
STLaw,
That is pretty much what I’m thinking at this point. I’m not sure that we stop trying to develop Ash in Harsin’s offense, but perhaps for the Aggies we run some plays that highlight his strengths. I will be interested to see what shakes out after we have an open QB competition between him and Connor Brewer. I think Ash will probably win out through offseason practice, but I want to see how they compare in game situations.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 20, 2011 10:11 PM CST reply actions
Hey Colby, go check out the sack stats on David and Case, matter of fact, go check every stat on David and Case. The stats are real, upside isnt. Numbers matter in football.
by 55f100tx on Nov 20, 2011 10:31 PM CST reply actions
Worst fan base in college football. There’s nobody else even close except maybe Alabama.
Entitled bunch of whiners calling our players entitled last year was hard to deal with.
Internet cowards personally attacking kids like Ash and McCoy are even harder to deal with.
by My name is nobody on Nov 21, 2011 6:53 AM CST reply actions
The sane view of this last weekend is: Our very young up and coming team almost beat BCS #11.
Props to Barton Creek and My Name Is Nobody along with anyone else who has their head screwed on correctly.
by coyote on Nov 21, 2011 7:14 AM CST reply actions
@Duke and MikeyD,
Here are direct quotes of my comments regarding Ash (prior to Mizzou and KSU, mind you). If you have any abilitiy to comprehend nuance and read all of these comments in context, this should be the final nail.
The first is probably the only comment you read…
On Ash, he reminds of Andrew Luck. To me that is his upside, it’s just a matter getting the mental parts of the game down. Whether he reaches that potential will be told in time.
Here I clarify, pay particular attention to the last sentence…
DKR,
I’m just saying he has similar raw physical talents: strong arm, physical running, similar build. I’m projecting him to reach the same ability level. It’s too soon to tell if he can get there, but if we’re just talking brick and morter building blocks, he’s got a similar makeup.
Again, take shit with a grain of salt.
Even further clarification. Pay particular attention to the second to last sentence…
DKR,
All good, man. I knew when I made that comparison there would be a lot of people thinking I’m crazy. I will not be shocked either way if he is merely average and gets us through tough games or if he ends up being a first rounder. I will enjoy watching it all play out, though.
Last comment of the thread. Making it very clear that I wasn’t predicting anything. Just making a comparison on raw athletic abilities…
I should add, for the record, I didn’t actually make a predicition. I made a loose comparison with the caveat that it is too soon to tell whether it will be validated.
So, you can both fuck right off.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 21, 2011 8:05 AM CST reply actions
Coyote,
As much as I appreciate that view, and have considered it myself, I have some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell anyone believing Kansas State is the 11th best program in college football.
by Orangeblood79 on Nov 21, 2011 8:40 AM CST reply actions
BOJ…now you’ve come full circle.
A quote, by you, from a few days ago:
“I don’t think it’s being unreasonable to hope that people wouldn’t tell fans of the their own team pulling for their quarterback despite his struggles to "go fuck themselves." Is it more reasonable to expect to be able to say things like that and not get called out or to expect people to display enough social intelligence to know better than that?”
And then, in your last post, you tell two fans of the same team they can go “fuck right off.”
You should just stop while you’re behind.
by Orangeblood79 on Nov 21, 2011 8:45 AM CST reply actions
High Schools have better QBs than we do. They are just miserable and make baby jesus cry with their lack of good plays whether its is missing every receiver or having no poise in the pocket
by Jake the Flood on Nov 21, 2011 8:59 AM CST reply actions
Orangeblood79,
I don’t consider Duke and MikeyD fans of the same team. They sure don’t seem like fans. Plus, I don’t suffer fools easily. From the quote above, the poster I was calling out told people to “go fuck themselves” for rooting for David Ash. I told these two guys to fuck off for coming at me for being a fan and hoping for the best for David Ash. Do you see the difference? I don’t expect people to not get exasperated with ridiculous behavior. It is a different thing all together to attack people for rooting for their team and it’s players. Capiche?
by burntorangejuice on Nov 21, 2011 9:00 AM CST reply actions
Why are some people bad fans just because they aren’t satisfied at 6-4 and the starting quarterback has played like dogs hit for a month? Can somebody explain that to me? I agree that personal attacks on college players are unseemly, but it seems to me that when commenting on their play, a whole lot can be said, with multiple adjectives, and still be on the right side of the line. So for those of you who think Ash has been unfairly demeaned, can you explain where the line is? Preferably with examples and comparisons? And before you answer, make sure you’re not one of the people that has KILLED Blake Gideon on this board.
by TexanNick on Nov 21, 2011 9:01 AM CST reply actions
I don’t know if anyone is still reading this but I have a few thoughts from attending the game live:
1). We have, statistically and schematically, the most difficult defense to move the ball against in the conference. But we don’t force turnovers very often and we have only started bringing down the QB in the last few weeks. Better safety play (not including Vaccaro) or stickier fingers from Diggs and Byndom (which I expect to materialize next season) would change that. However, having a dominant defense that is nearly impossible to move has not been an ingredient that could lead to major victories this season or last.
Not criticizing the defense, just pointing at facts.
2). Neither of our QB’s is good. I have no idea what Case is capable of with better receivers and time to throw. I do know that his arm sucks and that when he decides to pull the ball down and run he begins by freezing, setting his legs, and holding the ball out as though he were taunting DL to swat it away.
He seems to find receivers more than Ash and he seems to avoid turnovers but I have little faith of the latter holding up if we had a larger sample size. Ultimately, the only we do well on offense is run the ball. We need our passing game to compliment that and Case struggles to make many of the plays that would do so. Except screen passes, at least he executed some of those.
Does he give us the best chance to win the rest of our games? Possibly. But he’s not very good at all and it’s hard to know if he ever will be.
Ash made one of his best throws rolling out of the pocket and then made one of his worst doing the same. He threw one of his best deep balls on the season and it wasn’t completed.
He’s really struggling with the pressure right now of being asked to make things happen without someone like Shipley to help him carry the water. His ceiling is clearly higher than Case and I struggle to understand why that isn’t apparent to everyone.
Right now he’s not good. His accuracy and timing would come and go throughout the night and you could see his confidence rising and falling on the field. Hopefully we don’t break down and ruin another strong-armed talent. He seems to be made of mentally sterner stuff than Gilbert though so perhaps there is hope for the future.
The 2012 season is exceptionally important for what we do to prepare the QB position to lead the 2013 team. Anyone who says that Ash is absolutely incapable of being the QB for that team doesn’t really deserve any attention.
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 9:04 AM CST reply actions
burntorangejuice,
Stop attacking everybody! What kind of an idiot are you? We know you like Ash. That is fine but you do not have to attack everybody that does not. Quit telling people to “f off”, nobody else is. Grow up!
by phil on Nov 21, 2011 9:05 AM CST reply actions
Also:
KSU has a terrible pass-blocking OL and our man coverage and improved Fire-Zone coverage made Klein hold the ball extra long…
but Okafor has gone from being a very good DE to approaching true greatness and Jeffcoat has made that same leap only from “solid”.
Our DE’s, with the time next year’s secondary can buy them, are going to be an abosolute terror. DT pass rush is likely to improve as well. Should be a lot of fun to watch, and a nightmare to practice against. We may have to sit some starters out just to get work done.
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 9:10 AM CST reply actions
Phil, who have I attacked other than Duke and MikeyD, who were quite deserving if you cared to read the ongoign exchange?
I probably shouldn’t have said that, but I was pushed over the edge. I should have ended the exchange, but like I said, I don’t suffer fools easily. I am generally even keel type of person and only get upset at a certain type of person. I have been known to curse at a driver who will go the very end of the entrance ramp and cut off all the people who were patiently waiting in line, and I now I have cursed at two internet bullies who ganged up and twisted my words to try to make me look like an idiot, which you would have seen if you had bothered to read the entire exchange. There is no way to read the full context without realizing they were either intentionally doing so or didn’t bother to try to understand my position and decided to just come at me, anyway. Granted, I shouldn’t care, but again, it was a demonstration of the type of behavior that infuriates me more than anything else.
I apologize for being crass. From henceforth, I will avoid getting into arguments with people who refuse to listen to reason or comprehend my comments in their full context.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 21, 2011 9:13 AM CST reply actions
Nickel:
I think you’re absolutely right about Ash’s ceiling being higher, and I don’t think anybody credible disagrees with that. Unfortunately, I also think most are coming around to the idea that as far as the next few games are concerned, McCoy gives them the best chance to win. Why? Turnovers. You rightly point out that our defense while INCREDIBLE does not force many turnovers. So we can’t afford a QB who turns it over with frightening regularity.
If this were the NFL, there would be every advantage to giving Ash all the time in the world to settle himself in, because the worse we played, the better talent we would acquire in the offseason. Unfortunately, in CFB, the exact opposite is true.
Sooner or later, the fact that we’re down is going to start impacting recruiting. Maybe Typsie or Jesus can assuage our fears on that, but at some point, 5-7 isn’t a stumble.
by TexanNick on Nov 21, 2011 9:16 AM CST reply actions
Nickel,“Anyone who says that Ash is absolutely incapable of being the QB for that team doesn’t really deserve any attention.”
How stupid is that statement? He might, but probably not, guy. I have never seen a player play so poorly and come back to be good. Maybe you have but , if so, they are few and far between.
Stop this bickering, you are not going to convince anybody that you are right. If he becomes better be happy but you and B O need to stop attacking people with different opinions.
by phil on Nov 21, 2011 9:16 AM CST reply actions
NR,
We saw the same game. Dominant game by the defense. Turnovers will come with experience.
Agree on Ash’s upside as bad as he was at times Saturday night. I don’t see what McCoy’s supporters see. Bad mechanics are a luxury a QB with a weak throwing arm can not afford.
by hopefulhorn on Nov 21, 2011 9:19 AM CST reply actions
Phil, I don’t think Nickel is attacking anyone. He rightly points out that Ash still may be the QB of the future. Nothing wrong with saying that as nobody knows what will happen in ’12 or ’13.
by TexanNick on Nov 21, 2011 9:21 AM CST reply actions
burnt orange,
I only see 1 post from Duke and he just questioned your concept of upside means as most here do. Why did you attack him? He said nothing negative. Stop the attacks!
by phil on Nov 21, 2011 9:24 AM CST reply actions
Phil,
Read things contextually and in their entirety. You really think someone who doesn’t allow for the possibility, however remote, that David Ash will improve his play is deserving of credibility? Contrast a fan rooting for the guy with the full realization that he has not demostrated great abilities in the last couple of games out of blind optimism because we don’t have any other proven QB right now with someone who intimates that said person is an idiot for “being in love with him” or other blatant attacks for showing optimism. Which person would you rather sit down and have dinner with?
by burntorangejuice on Nov 21, 2011 9:24 AM CST reply actions
Phil,
I have stopped the attacks and you obviously missed some quotes. I admitted that I went over the line and apologized. If you have read every post in the exchange and don’t see why I would have gotten frustrated, then I have nothing else to say to you.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 21, 2011 9:26 AM CST reply actions
Unfortunately, comparing upsides between Ash and McCoy is like trying to decide whether it is better getting kicked in the dick or in the throat. Basd purely on presence and way he carries himself I have though Ash had the better upside and was slightly better for the immediate future. The problem I have with Ash is that he really has not shown much of anything good. He is not making half good plays and half bad plays. Sometimes he is average; the rest of the time he is a disaster. I have not seen much of anything to make me believe that he will pull it together.
Now, I understand that the ridiculously low ceilings of the people to whom he is supposed to throw that ball have not helped him at all. And that certainly plays a part, as does the obvious struggle of the OL in pass protection. But when I watch other young QBs I see dumb plays mixed in “duck, duck, duck, GOOSE” style. There just haven’t been enough ducks.
by Toadvine on Nov 21, 2011 9:27 AM CST reply actions
If a person acts like an ass, but then owns it, apologizes, and tries to move on, we owe it to them to move on as well. Trust me Phil, there are far worse actors than burntorangejuice. He deals fairly and squarely with you, and he owns it when he goes overboard. We can all learn a lot from him.
by TexanNick on Nov 21, 2011 9:29 AM CST reply actions
As an LSU fan. I have great appreciation for Mack Brown. Who else could command 5 million a year with so little to show for it.? Spare me the 10 wins a year BS. All that matters is titles (national and conference).
I hope the man never leaves. Texas with a great coach would spell doom for other programs in the area (LSU, ou, A&M). Now that we will have a bigger presence in Texas, the last thing we need is Mack to be replaced so please never let him go.
by sam on Nov 21, 2011 9:31 AM CST reply actions
TexanNick: I’m not too worried about recruiting yet. Our staff is energetic and strong on the recruiting trail. HS football players, strangely enough, seem to understand that what we have on the offensive roster shouldn’t be expected to achieve what some Texas fans expect.
I was ready to jump on board with “case gives us the best chance to win now!” when it looked like he might lead a comeback. Then he got a few more snaps and I remembered that he isn’t really any better.
I agree that Turnover avoidance is key, but I’m not at all confident that McCoy won’t cough it up regularly if we give him the opportunity. He threw some balls that easily could have been picked and his self-sacking habits combined with his lack of ball security and our personnel at OT…have you seen A&M rush the passer this year? They may not pick us off much but they could sack/strip Case all day if we have to throw. They lead the conference in sacks.
Phil: Vince Young wasn’t a very good passer in the Davis system as a redshirt freshman. Everyone remember that Vince Young redshirted? Now, he was still effective because he was a god of war who had things fall right in big moments, but he made big leap as a passer over the following seasons.
Freshman Troy Aikman at OU was a terrible player, although that’s not a great analogy. In the NFL he started out 1-15. When Steve Young came to BYU he couldn’t take a snap without tripping over his own feet.
Barkers and Sooners openly questioned whether Landry Jones or Colt McCoy could ever be the QB’s of championship-caliber teams and both had double-digit turnovers as underclassmen.
So yeah, it’s not hard to think of several guys who started out poorly and became great. People like Nikki dig some deep holes when they say that it should be obvious that Ash doesn’t deserve to be a QB at a major college program.
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 9:34 AM CST reply actions
Toad vine, you’re absolutely right, it’s a terrible set of options. That’s why I kept my argument to the one area where stats don’t lie. Turnovers.
I’m not going to try to sell you or anybody else on the other memes here: that McCoy is more of a leader, that the others play better around him, etc. I think the evidence for those is iffy at best, and not worthy of discussion.
The one thing McCoy is inarguably better at is protecting the ball. In a run-based offense, that’s a pretty valuable skill.
by TexanNick on Nov 21, 2011 9:34 AM CST reply actions
burntorange,
I say this with all sincerity, do not let this stuff get under your skin. I know you will have a happier life.
I did read the exchange and that is why I questioned your attack on Duke, Mikey was working you like a puppet and he is a more understandable villain.
by phil on Nov 21, 2011 9:36 AM CST reply actions
“As an LSU fan”. Did you say something after that?
by g'69 on Nov 21, 2011 9:40 AM CST reply actions
Nickel
Troy Aikman- get real…he was good as a freshman! He did not finish the season because of a broken ankle (maybe that is bad)??? Why try such stupid comparisons? #1 pick in draft. please do more research before showing such lack of knowledge.
by phil on Nov 21, 2011 9:42 AM CST reply actions
The case for, uh, case goes like this:
He finds the opportunities when they are there (open receivers).
He’s more consistently accurate.
He doesn’t turn the ball over.
The first point, if it’s true, is the best argument. The 2nd point is fine, except that Case is only accurate on short throws. When he attempts something downfield, especially on the run, it’s anyone’s guess where the ball will end up. The final point is questionable. When you watch Case play you expect turnovers to result from his mechanics and pocket habits. With a larger sample size it’s likely that would occur.
The case for Ash is this: He could be better in the long-term, he can be accurate on throws to all parts of the field, and he’s far more athletic.
We need to find ways to settle him down and help him be more consistent. Injecting more health and more wildcat into the backfield is my only suggestion. I also suspect that Shipley being extremely dependable in getting open past the sticks and bringing down difficult catches had a far greater impact on our offense that we realized.
In big passing situations I don’t think our QBs have any confidence in our receivers without him.
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 9:47 AM CST reply actions
What is sad is that I am an Ash fan. Please quit making such stupid statements defending him because I find myself attacking him.
by phil on Nov 21, 2011 9:49 AM CST reply actions
Phil: Aikman was terrible as a freshman. He played a game in the season before he broke his ankle and was destroyed. By the Kansas Jayhawks. Look it up. Also there was his first NFL season and the other examples which you ignored.
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 9:50 AM CST reply actions
The stats are real, upside isnt. Numbers matter in football.
Except numbers don’t filter out luck or give a whole picture.
The worst pass thrown on Saturday wasn’t either of Ash’s two picks, it was Case’s ball right into the chest of the safety. The numbers didn’t show it, but that was a horrible throw, thrown horribly.
hell, by the numbers, Texas was an unstoppable beast compared to the Wildcat offense on Saturday. Wasn’t true of course, in reality.
by Arriviste on Nov 21, 2011 9:50 AM CST reply actions
Okay, Phil. Thanks for the advice. I realize I should have left the argument alone at a certain point when it was obvious it wasn’t making any progress. And you’re right, I shouldn’t have attacked Duke, even after he said, "BOJ
Are you serious? I have seen you post several times and have yet to see the first intelligent comment. You seem to just be a circle jerker for David Ash that operates without a brain."
Right, Duke was above reproach.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 21, 2011 9:51 AM CST reply actions
Nickel
Troy was the greatest spot passer to ever play the game. There are no comparisons.
by phil on Nov 21, 2011 9:58 AM CST reply actions
Seriously, do some of you not watch the games???
Despite the fairly small sample size, McCoy has thrown NUMEROUS balls which should’ve been intercepted. His no INT stat is therefore very misleading.
Both QBs have their downsides. However, Harsin has exacerbated Ash’s by forcing him to be something he isn’t – a classic drop back passer.
by Joetx on Nov 21, 2011 9:58 AM CST reply actions
Phil, as a freshman he was terrible. Then he grew into one of the greatest passers in the history of the game. Same for a dozen other QB’s in the history of the game. Most of which were not even asked to play as freshmen.
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 10:00 AM CST reply actions
Nickel
I leave it with this, there are no comparisons that can be made between him and Aikman. Aikman was the greatest spot passer in the history of football. Other than the fact that both play qb there is nothing to compare. Please give it a rest.
by phil on Nov 21, 2011 10:04 AM CST reply actions
g’69 said:
November 21st, 2011 at 8:40 am
"As an LSU fan". Did you say something after that?"
I asked if Mack was getting a raise this year.
by sam on Nov 21, 2011 10:04 AM CST reply actions
Phil, I suspect that you may not understand how analogies work. You said, “name someone who was terrible and then great.”
I named some players who played terribly, and then great. Then you said, “those players were great! Ash is not great!”
Right. I’m not saying that Ash is as good as Aikman, the point was sometimes terrible players with potential realize that potential and become great. Are you being intentionally obtuse?
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 10:11 AM CST reply actions
Just get over your lust. Aikman was not terrible as a freshman, but who cares?
discussion over
by phil on Nov 21, 2011 10:15 AM CST reply actions
TexanNick,
Thanks. I just saw your post. Appreciate it.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 21, 2011 10:15 AM CST reply actions
It’s official. This is the most frustrating BC thread ever. Moving on.
by burntorangejuice on Nov 21, 2011 10:16 AM CST reply actions
A few points, plus a couple of questions:
To NR’s point on turnovers, I recall two sack-fumbles by McCoy against OU, one of which went for a TD. So, while it’s perfectly fair to point out no INT’s, it’s not really accurate to say he “doesn’t” turn the ball over.
Both QB’s seem to struggle with throwing to where the receiver is headed (and/or being on the same page as the receiver with which way they’ll turn, which I somehow find more distressing this late in the season), and all currently active receivers seem to struggle with adjusting their routes to an imperfectly thrown ball.
Onyegbule is a big kid. I hope he develops.
I know it’s somewhat petty to complain about the officials when you play poorly, but at the same time when you play poorly bad calls really hurt. This was one of the worst called games I’ve ever seen, including some missed calls that benefited us. The idea that it’s OK to shove a microphone and camera into the face of an 18 year-old after a game but paid professionals are somehow above questioning is idiotic and needs to be changed ASAP. Write or call your congressperson; make it a presidential election issue; whatever. These guys should have to stand in front of people at the end of the game and defend the calls they make.
Questions:
It seems like Byndom was benched after the second TD drive. Was he hurt, or was that purely an on-the-field thing?
Ash took a couple of big hits against Mizzou and another couple Saturday night. At one point, he headed off the field looking like he was cradling his right arm. Any whispers that he might be banged up?
by tx2step on Nov 21, 2011 10:17 AM CST reply actions
Utterly off-topic, but I just remembered:
Tech had 3 players go down with knee injuries on Saturday. Do the Mizzou folks still want to claim that there’s nothing wrong with their field?
by tx2step on Nov 21, 2011 10:23 AM CST reply actions
Thank you, Saul.
Phil, kindly help yourself to a very large bowl of STFU soup.
by tx2step on Nov 21, 2011 10:25 AM CST reply actions
What a joke!
We need a qb! Neither Ash or McCoy are the answer. Maybe 1 of the freshman coming in can play. We certainly have no ALL-Pros quarterbacks on this team and some are just delusional.
We play the Aggie on Thanksgiving. The qbs will work themselves out. Drop it lovers and haters.
by pete on Nov 21, 2011 10:37 AM CST reply actions
Mack is thinking very short term right now, he is wondering who to start vs ags in 3 days. My guess is that he goes back to the situational package approach with Case getting most of the snaps but with Ash playing in likely running downs (and running more). If either guys gets a hot hand, Mack will ride the hot hand.
Mack did the obvious thing last week to restore Ash’s confidence by having Ash mostly throw short and rarely throw long (conventional wisdom, imo) but it didn’t work, Ash still was inaccurate even on short, easy passes. Ash appears to have a confidence problem.
Can Harsin and Mack restore Ash’s confidence in just 3 days? Maybe but not likely. As we know from experimental psychology, psychological stress adversely impacts complex motor skill performance. It is possible to rewire the mind but it isn’t necessarily a super quick process.
Upside or long term potential is most likely a very, very, very small consideration wrt Mack’s decisions for Thursday’s game vs the ags. Whichever QB Mack thinks has the best chance to beat the ags in 3 days is who will start. Ash’s best chance to play a bunch vs the ags is to run effectively on Thursday. That might also be a good way to restore his confidence.
BTW, could a new discussion thread be started? This thread has over 1000 comments.
by Kafka on Nov 21, 2011 10:38 AM CST reply actions
Been awhile since I posted … but What is going on here?
My suggestion to both sides of this stupid argument, just go talk to a sign. Each of you has about as much chance of changing that sign’s opinion as the other guy’s.
It is obvious that nobody thinks our quarterback situation is good. I blame it on lazy recruiting.
by Fourty Acres on Nov 21, 2011 10:51 AM CST reply actions
Fourty acres, most of the arguments are just coming from people who are frustrated with how the team is doing and are looking for anything to lash out at and accuse.
I think almost everyone agrees that neither QB is playing well at all and that we dug this hole with our recruiting in previous seasons and our handling of Gilbert.
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 10:58 AM CST reply actions
I dont think Harsin has been doing Ash or the team any favors with his play calling the past couple of games. Could have won both games had he used Ash’s known running ability to move the chains when needed.
by 55f100tx on Nov 21, 2011 12:47 PM CST reply actions
It’s official. This is the most frustrating BC thread ever. Moving on.
Just wait till the aggy post game thread.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 21, 2011 12:52 PM CST reply actions
Oh man, it’s gonna be like Texags here if Nikki is posting on gameday.
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 12:54 PM CST reply actions
A new thread would be nice.
Shockingly poor play from the QBs Saturday. I think we should play both guys Thursday and maybe start McCoy. Perhaps that will give McCoy a boost and take some of the pressure off of Ash. Maybe one of them will get a…, well, not a hot hand but maybe a tepid hand.
I’ll be pulling for whichever is on the field. Hook ’Em Horns!
by RomaVicta on Nov 21, 2011 12:56 PM CST reply actions
I dont think Harsin has been doing Ash or the team any favors with his play calling the past couple of games. Could have won both games had he used Ash’s known running ability to move the chains when needed.
And rolled him out more, using his mobility to move him away from the pressure, expecially against Mizzou (only one designed rollout I remember). Give him run/pass options on some of those.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 21, 2011 12:56 PM CST reply actions
Mack said in his presser today that who is playing at QB will be determined by which package the coaches are running. Sounds like the circle is being close and Mack will be returning to a package oriented approach (rather than playing Ash almost the whole game).
Given that the ags are number 1 in the country in sacks and 15th in run D, presumably the horns will continue to emphasize short passing again (as they did vs KSU). For some reason before the KSU game Nickel Rover compared more emphasis on short passing to radically changing the horn offense (something about adopting a West Coast offense, IIRC), rather than just increasing the frequency that short pass plays are called vs inside runs and longer passes. Scipio also seemed to be aghast at emphasizing short passing. The reality is that Mack has no choice, he is going to have to mix up more wide running and short passing with less inside running because the Texas OL is not going to efficiently block the ags’ DL if Texas mostly runs inside and throws lots of intermediate and long passes. Texas will use the short passing game to help set up blocks for interior running and play action passes following pump fakes.
I agree that rolling out Ash to set up spring draws, reverses, very short passes, and runs by Ash is a great use of Ash. Force CBs to decide whether they will pass defend or come up to tackle Ash. Continue to use the TEs such as Grant and Irby split out; have them block the OLB on QB rollouts and then roll for the short pass (like a pick and roll in bball). The advantages of rolling out Ash are that it uses his ability to run, it simplifies real time analysis down to reading just the play side CB, and it gives him a very short pass to throw.
by Kafka on Nov 21, 2011 1:52 PM CST reply actions
James Brown beat OU as a redshirt freshman with waggle left and waggle right. I second the motion for moving the pocket when David Ash is in the game.
by Juice on Nov 21, 2011 1:52 PM CST reply actions
Looks like McCoy is getting the starting nod this week. I am cheering for whichever QB is in the game.
The OL has been catching heat in here for not much reason. When they stack the line like everyone is doing because we cannot pass, it becomes almost impossible to block that kind of numbers. They have also gotten a bad rub on pass protection because of hesitation of our QBs.
Please nobody get mad. Cheer for our team. Let’s beat them Ags!
by MikeyD on Nov 21, 2011 2:11 PM CST reply actions
Kafka, what does the short passing game offer us exactly?
We already have a running game that can attack the line of scrimmage from sideline to sideline, what we need from the passing game is something to stretch the defense vertically.
Anyways, for the short passing game you need a QB who can make quick checks and reads at the LOS, and then deliver the ball with perfect timing to shifty receivers who can create space quickly.
We have one such receiver, Davis, who is healthy plus a cast of tall receivers and tight ends.
It wouldn’t be hard to bottle up our attempt at a quick game and it’s almost a certainty that we would throw picks trying to execute it.
Did you watch the game kafka? Did you see what was happening when we were attempting rudimentary short-game throws? It’s not risk-averse to run that stuff and the execution level necessary to get all the way downfield would be outrageous to expect of a team that isn’t designed to do it and hasn’t practiced it.
Will we use some short passes? Yes. Are we going to base our gameplan around them? Not if we want to win.
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 2:13 PM CST reply actions
Good analysis Kafka. If mobile throwing with run/pass option is the goal, Ash probably takes the snap. But if it’s going to be short passes from the pocket, McCoy has shown more ability there. Agree with platooning them to take advantage of divergent skill sets.
by TexanNick on Nov 21, 2011 2:14 PM CST reply actions
I wish it were the case that KSU was “stacking the line” against our offense. They were not. They played the same defenses they’ve played against everyone else in the league and we couldn’t blow their DL off the ball consistently, or break tackles. I don’t believe Brown and Bergeron were totally healthy and they couldn’t get away from, or run through, the back 7.
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 2:17 PM CST reply actions
Truly though, they hardly shut down our running game. It wasn’t amazing but it wasn’t atrocious either. We aren’t going to give up our only identity on offense that quickly in favor of the passing plays that cost us the game. That’s utter foolishness.
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 2:21 PM CST reply actions
If you watched , they were lining up normally and immediately bringing at least 9. I am not in here to argue. We just see things differently.
by MikeyD on Nov 21, 2011 2:21 PM CST reply actions
MikeyD: that’s called Cover-4 and it’s what they’ve done all year, as I said in my preview. It’s not the same as “stacking the box” it just helps the safeties arrive in run support more quickly. Incidentally, you punish it with Play-action, not 3-step drops.
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 2:29 PM CST reply actions
Nickel,
I do appreciate your 2 cents, though. Each of us watches different things.
by MikeyD on Nov 21, 2011 2:29 PM CST reply actions
My point is the OL is playing pretty good these days.
by MikeyD on Nov 21, 2011 2:34 PM CST reply actions
I don’t think the OL is doing badly. We are run-blocking pretty well. Our pass-protection isn’t good but that’s to be expected.
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 2:40 PM CST reply actions
Duly noted!
I guess you are the expert on here. The rest of our opinions do not matter because you are the authority.
You are the best and I am so sorry that I missed your preview. I will put that in my “must reads”.
by MikeyD on Nov 21, 2011 2:44 PM CST reply actions
Nickel,
I think a fair amount of the short passing game Kafka is advocating is based on QB rollouts, some with play action as you advocate, and some with a run/pass option for Ash depending on how the defense is playing it. Another thing i love about rollouts is it gives the QB more time to process what’s happening and to pick out an open reciever. Extra time for decision making can only help when you’re dealing with a Freshman QB.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 21, 2011 2:53 PM CST reply actions
Nickel,
I would also agree that KSU didn’t really shutdown our running game. I was disappointed though with our self-shutting down of using the running game to attack the edges. I feel like we might have really hit some big plays if we’d kept attacking there.
We did it relatively few times (this seemed the case against Mizzou also) and when we did it was relatively successful. I don’t understand the reluctance to do this more often. I know if you do it too much they may shut it down, but at least force them to do so, because in forcing them it helps open up the middle.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 21, 2011 2:59 PM CST reply actions
Pissing in the wind.
As long as you’re standing upwind this can be quite effective.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 21, 2011 3:00 PM CST reply actions
We lost to Eco Cat. Has Mack no shame?
by Mysterious Package on Nov 21, 2011 3:03 PM CST reply actions
phil said:
November 21st, 2011 at 9:15 am
Just get over your lust. Aikman was not terrible as a freshman, but who cares?
yeah, he was. He shit the bed against Kansas in ‘84 when Danny Bradley had the flu. OU’s offensive coordinator (a guy named Mack Brown) didn’t exactly have Aikman ready for prime time. Troy threw at least one pick six that game (maybe two) and knocked OU out of national contention.
The next year, Aikman’s sophomore year, was when he was kicking ass until Jerome Brown broke his ankle in Norman.
Go get your shinebox, numbnuts.
by Facts on Nov 21, 2011 3:06 PM CST reply actions
Facts
Nobody is listening anymore. You are pissing in the wind.
I thought this would stop the nonsense but obviously not.
by pete on Nov 21, 2011 3:11 PM CST reply actions
Nunna: I remember LS predicted that Flex and Inside Zone would be our primary means of attack in this game, although I don’t remember why that was the case. He was right, but I didn’t understand our use of Flex because Cover-4 brings the safeties down the alley quick and so it seems difficult to beat the defense to the edge when you are racing safeties who are already there.
We never got downhill on that play. On our inside runs, which did see some success, it looked like we just weren’t that explosive. I doubt Bergeron or Brown were at full health. Hopefully the lighter workload and next few days will make a difference for one of them.
LS will chime in eventually and clue us all in as to what happened in the running game. From my seats I couldn’t make out a ton except that we weren’t blowing open holes and that their pursuit was preventing explosives.
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 3:12 PM CST reply actions
Roll outs on playaction are fine, so long as we are still basing around the running game. If we intend to use them a lot my vote is for Ash, his horrifyingly bad 2nd INT notwithstanding, because Case looks like he has to wind up his body like an outfielder throwing home when he’s trying to hit a post on the run.
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 3:15 PM CST reply actions
Pete,
If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is there, does it make a noise?
by groundhog day on Nov 21, 2011 3:23 PM CST reply actions
Actually, pete, there are a number of us who continue to read this thread and enjoy the knowledgeable contribution from nunna nickel and a FEW others; we’re just skipping over your jackassery in the process.
by tx2step on Nov 21, 2011 3:24 PM CST reply actions
I am not Pete but the knowledge is lacking.
by groundhog day on Nov 21, 2011 3:26 PM CST reply actions
Thanks groundhog,
They love to stroke each other. I think they must be Aggies. They love to hear themselves talk.
by pete on Nov 21, 2011 3:33 PM CST reply actions
Nickel,
I admit to not knowing the ins and outs of Cover-4 and and defensive schemes. I was just going based on memory that the few times we did run to attack the edge that we seemed to be effective. I may just not be remembering the failed attempts due to selective memory.
I agree that Ash would be my preference if we do a lot of rollouts, however, if I remember correctly the lone touchdown by Case was actually on a rollout with a run fake.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 21, 2011 3:37 PM CST reply actions
Pete,
Not sure I understand you’re problem. To be quite blunt I’m not sure what makes you think we care about your opinion of the worth of this post.
We’re having a perfectly civil conversation about aspects of interest and will continue to do so whether you find it worthy or not.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 21, 2011 3:42 PM CST reply actions
The flex zone, where we pull OL towards the sideline, didn’t seem to be beating KSU to the edge. In the past we’ve struggled with the pin blocks and that’s been why, I don’t know if that was the case against KSU but I know that Cover-4 allows the safeties to attack the edges in the run game pretty easily.
It’s unlikely that LS scrolled down and is reading this thread, but I’m sure he’ll address that in his next post.
We definitely caught them with the sweeps some, which is what you are probably remembering.
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 3:56 PM CST reply actions
Cover-4, if anyone is reading this still with any interest, is a zone defense. The deep field is split into 4 zones. The corners are responsible for the sidelines and the safeties split the middle in half. The safeties may line up closer than in Cover-2, or they may not if they want to disguise. The corners usually give large cushions since they may not get help deep down the sideline.
The linebackers are responsible for the flats so it’s pretty easy to flood the underneath zones against the linebackers and throw short all day. That’s what we were trying to do with our slants and hitches.
Against the run, if the no. 2 receiver isn’t threatening downfield the safeties are free to be pretty aggressive and can often stop plays for no gain or even loss if they are fast/aggressive/smart enough. That’s what gave MikeyD the impression of a 9 man front, and credit to him for noticing that.
KSU, playing this coverage, is pretty content to let you complete short passes and rely on good tackling. If you try and run it can be tough sledding trying to pick up big yards because the safeties are well positioned to arrive fast. You can punish them with playaction or short passes to explosive players whom they cannot wrap-up consistently.
Or down the sideline if you have a Blackmon who can run into a cushion and beat the corner for a fade anyways. You can still run on a team like this but your backs have to be able to beat the safeties and you need to be able to block an honest front.
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 4:07 PM CST reply actions
We definitely caught them with the sweeps some, which is what you are probably remembering.
Yup. That’s what I was remembering.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 21, 2011 4:09 PM CST reply actions
Nickel,
Thanks. Great explanation on the Cover-4.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Nov 21, 2011 4:12 PM CST reply actions
Nunna, I do think your selective memory kicked in on the outside runs. I think we only managed 1 long run off of it with Goodwin, and I think DJ only picked up 1 or 2 yards on most of his carries.
We ran the ball pretty well considering KSU was playing to stop the run. We averaged 5.15 ypc even inlcuding sacks (why the hell is it so difficult for ESPN to inlcude the sack stats, btw?). I’m not sure rolling the QB out is going to help all that much if Ash can’t make them pay for playing a D oriented to stop the run. One of the QBs has to step up enough to pose some threat within their abilities. McCoy needs to be money on the fast 5-15 yard routes without self sacking, or Ash needs to hit some 20+ yard throws w/o turning it over. I don’t care which one it is. We win the previous 2 if one did that, we lose the next 2 if one doesn’t.
by ut-06 on Nov 21, 2011 4:13 PM CST reply actions
I don’t know why we don’t do that more in general, I guess if the defense stays honest they are less effective.
We are still underutilizing the speed of Goodwin and Monroe, IMO. I know their skillsets make their involvement limited but the fact that in every game we have 2 of the fastest guys on the field hasn’t seemed to help us as much as it should.
by Nickel Rover on Nov 21, 2011 4:14 PM CST reply actions
The coaches knew Ash wouldn’t be the answer this year. They wanted Gilbert to be able to manage the game while getting Ash in on a few packages each week to give him a taste. Too bad that didn’t work out. I think he has a shot at being a much better QB next year, that’s our best option at this point.
by Calihorn on Nov 21, 2011 4:33 PM CST reply actions
As long as people maintain reasonable expectations of an 18 year old QB (even Colt was a redshirt Freshman), the things should remain in perspective. Given that, Ash played up to the hype that surrounded his recruiting. Which wasn’t much… he’s an 18 year old 3 star against a Bill Snyder defense.
by bHero on Nov 21, 2011 4:48 PM CST reply actions
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