Championship Saturday Open Thread
by Vasherized on Dec 3, 2011 10:53 AM CST
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PrintFact: A bulldog cannot outrun a honeybadger, but he can roll over and lick his own balls while LSU drops 40 on Georgia. Mark Richt might as well do the same. Look for a UCLA / Oregon beatdown redux.
Can Montee Pinball Sparty for hail mary redemption?
Bedlam! Will Brandon Weeden announce his retirement after the game? f stoops in every language, every day.
And that game in Waco ... will RG3's Heisman campaign pass one final test against Manny's D? How does one exactly prepare for Santeria? Will fourth string walk on running back Brett Lee Cloud become the next Longhorn legend?
If we can stop Grant Teaff from swallowing worms before the game, we have a chance.
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I’m an old white man with poor vision, no style, but I know how to post on Facetwitter. Can I walk on today as a UT RB?
by Texoz on Dec 3, 2011 11:04 AM CST reply actions
I really want us to win….come on boys do what few think you can/will!
Hook’em
by NorthCoastHorn on Dec 3, 2011 11:17 AM CST reply actions
What is the over/under on three and outs from the Texas offense with all of the injuries? I am setting it now at 7.
by Newy25 on Dec 3, 2011 11:24 AM CST reply actions
A round of “Big O’s” at Georges for everyone if the Horns win.
by Art Vandelay on Dec 3, 2011 11:40 AM CST reply actions
I love Manny’s demeanor on the sideline, in addition to his defense.
Hook ’em, men!
by java on Dec 3, 2011 11:41 AM CST reply actions
Where’s the UofH love, you elitist prick (happy birthday, btw)?
by Tipsy Gypsie on Dec 3, 2011 11:53 AM CST reply actions
The 1st quarter of the Houston – Southern Miss game took just about an hour to play. Wonder what ABC will do with the start of the Texas-Baylor game since this game will probably still be in the 3rd quarter at this rate.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 12:05 PM CST reply actions
Houston looks like crap. Iowa State upset #2 is delayed. UT replay on FS Houston. Sunny and balmy weather here in Houston. Here’s to kickin’ some cubs ass today!
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 12:14 PM CST reply actions
Yeah I’m watching the Houston game. Actually, they finally just scored as I’m typing this. Before that it was a complete implosion.
Kinda feel bad for Keenum. A few huge drops by his receivers. He could be at 200 yds 2 td easily right now.
God I hope we can avoid drops this game. Unfortunately my shift starts right as the game does….so we’ll see how that goes…maybe I can sneak off and watch some.
Hook ’em \\m//
by e1kabong on Dec 3, 2011 12:26 PM CST reply actions
Lol. Well that was quick. All I had to so was talk shit apparently. Tie ball game.
note to self Talk shit if UT gets off to slow start.
by e1kabong on Dec 3, 2011 12:33 PM CST reply actions
Sunny and balmy in Houston? Wow, doesn’t look that way on TV. Looks kind of windy and overcast.
by Gman on Dec 3, 2011 12:34 PM CST reply actions
Happy b-day vash-man
I need a deal on some Dell stuff…. know who I can call?
Injury update :
Joe B. Out
Malcolm Brown should be ready to go knee brace &the all
Weather up date: windy, rainy, and generally shitty weather unless you’re duck
hunting.
If you’re attending the game be glad it’s not tomorrow when its gonna get CHILLY.
http://m.accuweather.com/en/us/waco-tx/76708/weather-forecast/331132
by jet on Dec 3, 2011 1:13 PM CST reply actions
Magnus,
Southern Miss is giving the Coogs all the love they deserve.
by Vasherized on Dec 3, 2011 1:17 PM CST reply actions
KSU v ISU cheerleaders = battle of the farmer’s daughters! ksu in the lead
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 1:19 PM CST reply actions
Why do they call it “Bedlam” when OU has a huge lead in the series over Okie State?
Go Horns! Beat Baptist Aggie!
by Joetx on Dec 3, 2011 1:19 PM CST reply actions
Thanks Jet. All I ask for is a Texas victory.
by Vasherized on Dec 3, 2011 1:20 PM CST reply actions
Joetx: Remember Rashaun Woods? Games like that.
by Vasherized on Dec 3, 2011 1:21 PM CST reply actions
Blocked punt by USM for the score. 28-14.
by Bob in Houston on Dec 3, 2011 1:27 PM CST reply actions
Keenum picked off in the endzone. Houston having major issues today
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 1:34 PM CST reply actions
Collin Klein just threw a perfect in stride strike for a TD pass on single coverage Been a while since someone in burnt orange made that throw. Sheesh.
by All The Pretty Longhorns on Dec 3, 2011 1:36 PM CST reply actions
The best part about going to grad school at UofH? Owning a red “Ruck Fice” shirt. That, and hot Asian coeds. Mostly the hot Asian coeds.
by Grateful Horn on Dec 3, 2011 1:41 PM CST reply actions
Best part about going to law school in Houston is I don’t live in Houston thank God! Oh and getting to go watch recruits play
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 1:43 PM CST reply actions
I think we might see Houston’s first loss today…defense looks horrible. O is average at best today
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 1:48 PM CST reply actions
Whew, the Aggie shit continues to contaminate everything it touches. The mere mention of UH’s Sumlin as a candidate for the aTm job has screwed the Coogs.
Texas A&M has some seriously bad mojo working.
by AKHorn on Dec 3, 2011 1:58 PM CST reply actions
At the end of the day, they’re still just Cougar High….
Maybe Aggy should look into hiring Fedora instead.
by marqroid on Dec 3, 2011 2:05 PM CST reply actions
Cold front back on the move after stalling out west a bit. Looks to make it around Waco during the first half or shortly after. BRING ON THE WIND!
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 2:05 PM CST reply actions
Re: Houston
This is the best example in recent memory of not dealing with success. Everyone telling you how great you are, looking ahead to a BCS game, asking about if undefeated you would deserve a Nat’l Championship….. You come out flat and complacent.
Carrier dropping balls he NEVER drops. O-line not exploding in the run game. Half speed complacency.
Crying shame, IMO. I am in Law School there, so campus has been a buzz about it, and UH could use the excitement of a BCS game.
Maybe a 4th quarter explosion.
by SwimTexas on Dec 3, 2011 2:07 PM CST reply actions
If this freaking Cougar High game cuts into our game, I’m going to shit a brick.
by UT07 on Dec 3, 2011 2:11 PM CST reply actions
Anyone expecting an internet stream for the UT game? Not at a TV right now.
by ut-06 on Dec 3, 2011 2:11 PM CST reply actions
Swim, I thought Aggy’s season was a pretty good example of how to not deal with success (of last season)
by Cult McCoy on Dec 3, 2011 2:25 PM CST reply actions
Brown officially out says Chip Brown. Asset must be blind or not notice knee braces. FUCK!
by Savage Henry on Dec 3, 2011 2:27 PM CST reply actions
Wow…UH is toasted. Didn’t see this one coming at all. MB out for baylor is NOT cool at all. Hopefully CJ and Hills can just make something happen
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 2:27 PM CST reply actions
I said it last night but why was Brown doing any contact drills when he is our LAST healthy running back?
by Savage Henry on Dec 3, 2011 2:29 PM CST reply actions
Beer? Check. Bowl of chili? Check. Longhorn football game? Um, still need that.
by Descartes on Dec 3, 2011 2:30 PM CST reply actions
Remember Rashaun Woods? Games like that.
Not only is the series very lopsided, but after a cursory look, the majority of the games haven’t been close.
On another note, Houston is living up to its Choke City moniker.
by Joetx on Dec 3, 2011 2:31 PM CST reply actions
Beer? Check. Another beer? Check. Running backs? …
Bueller?
by Cult McCoy on Dec 3, 2011 2:32 PM CST reply actions
Game should be on ESPN News in just a minute since Houston can’t complete a pass to keep the clock moving….
by Pounds on Dec 3, 2011 2:35 PM CST reply actions
HIlls, Cody, DJ get their shot again. I just needs shots to watch it.
Hoping for A&M – UH bowl game, if UH continues to flail.
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 2:35 PM CST reply actions
Did they just say Patterson should be candidate for the A&M job?! I know on paper it looks like a promotion….but it’s not!
by Pounds on Dec 3, 2011 2:41 PM CST reply actions
The nation finally gets to see the fraud that is the UH Cougars. I can’t wait to hear the cries about how A&M and ASU cost the Cougs their shot at a BCS game because they couldn’t wait to talk to Sumlin.
Here is a quick clue that UH was WAY overrated.
The #6 team in the country does not:
-struggle to come from behind and beat UCLA by 4 when every one of the Bruins’ SIX other losses were by 18 or more and their average margin of loss was 25+.
- trail UNT at halftime unless they played the first half with 8 guys on offense and defense for the first half.
- beats La. Tech by 1.
- beats UTEP by 7.
AND
- gets their asses pounded at home in the conference championship game.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 2:44 PM CST reply actions
RJ 111 padding his Heisman stats…
This other abomination of a game, UH getting destroyed by Southern Miss, needs to be turned off.
HOOK’EM! GO Horns!
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 2:44 PM CST reply actions
Usually Gideon drops his head when he gives up TDs like that. Wonder what’s up.
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 2:45 PM CST reply actions
Patterson would be a damn foul to leave Ft. Worth. Even with the step up in conference he has an easier road to a bowl in the Big 12 and doesn’t have a board of regents who are freaking idiots.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 2:45 PM CST reply actions
What’s with hurry up??? Slow the fuck down!
by Savage Henry on Dec 3, 2011 2:47 PM CST reply actions
Cody has 29 carries on the season? He might have 29 by half today
by Cult McCoy on Dec 3, 2011 2:48 PM CST reply actions
Goodwin wearing the #2 today…love the unity on this team despite the hardships of this season
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 2:49 PM CST reply actions
CJ getting stuffed. Makes sense…baylor totally offsides.
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 2:49 PM CST reply actions
How soon before the talk on TexAgs switches from Sumlin to Fedora?
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 2:52 PM CST reply actions
Wow, a holding call. Hope to see those on the Baylor o-line in pass protection
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 2:52 PM CST reply actions
Damn…maybe a little PI on Shipley…ball may not have been catchable…I love the announcer telling defenders to hold people low so that they don’t get caught…
Ahhh….missed FG. Damn!
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 2:54 PM CST reply actions
Good God, we’re playing the OU defense. Our safeties may have just had their worst 7 minutes ever.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 2:57 PM CST reply actions
Still a three field-goal deficit.
Wow, how does our worst safety on the field keep getting isolated on Kendall Wright.
Now a five field-goal deficit. We sure are asking Tucker to do a lot.
by spit and tears on Dec 3, 2011 2:57 PM CST reply actions
Nice soft try on the tackle, Blake. We wouldn’t want to, say, knock him down, would we?
by Descartes on Dec 3, 2011 2:57 PM CST reply actions
7 more quarters and Gideon is gone can’t wait.
by Dallashorn on Dec 3, 2011 2:58 PM CST reply actions
Um, Poehlman cannot hold there.
Also, Diaz is likely to be around next year thanks to our safeties.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 2:58 PM CST reply actions
someone mind do a quick summation of wtf has happened so far i had to watch the end of the uh/s. miss crap fest.
by mattdubya on Dec 3, 2011 2:58 PM CST reply actions
The Big Chigger conversations saying we achieved 8 wins was a fucking joke.
by My name is nobody on Dec 3, 2011 2:58 PM CST reply actions
I’m only slightly comforted by the fact that Diaz’s group nearly always shows up in the 2nd quarter. Unfortunately, we could end up down 21-0 at that point.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 2:59 PM CST reply actions
Also, the people who were saying that we were as good defensively as LSU — we’re not.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 2:59 PM CST reply actions
Fuck sumlin for taking those timeouts. Prick
by craigbiggiosdirtyuniform on Dec 3, 2011 2:59 PM CST reply actions
Great. I just get the feed, we’re down 14-0, and I’ve got to listen to Matt Fricken Millen.
Think I’ll go skiing.
by AKHorn on Dec 3, 2011 3:00 PM CST reply actions
Big Cigar must have been counting the bowl game for that 8th win.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 3:00 PM CST reply actions
Well, we were actually down 13-0 in Kyle Field and rallied against a better defense.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 3:01 PM CST reply actions
At the start of the year when RGIII and Wright destroyed the TCU secondary I was told Baylor only had one receiver and the Horns could handle him with ease.
Wright can run his ass off and play.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 3:01 PM CST reply actions
They need a flag for that late hit out of bounds.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 3:01 PM CST reply actions
wow…did not see this kind of stuff coming from our safeties today. still getting stupid penalties on O
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 3:02 PM CST reply actions
The refs are in the bag. Terrible no-call and then a bullshit hold.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:02 PM CST reply actions
Wright is really good. Our zone coverage sucks out loud.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:02 PM CST reply actions
So we’re somehow back to the Mizzou offense shit-show? No Brown and Bergeron doesn’t travel, Shipley looks 40%. TROUBLE>
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:03 PM CST reply actions
RGIII is the truth. You know, he has abused safeties of every team he has played this year. They have a lot of talented recievers and their OC forces you into mismatches that RGIII can take advantage of.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 3:04 PM CST reply actions
More unsportsmanlike conduct not called on Baylor.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 3:04 PM CST reply actions
Zone coverage, the only way we insure that Wright can match up with Gideon and Scott, our only coverage weakness. Nice.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 3:05 PM CST reply actions
Case cannot throw that ball and I have no idea why we would try it. That’s just fucking stupid.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:05 PM CST reply actions
In other news, does anyone know why Ndamukong Suh drives a 1970 Chevy Coupe? Or used to, anyway.
by Descartes on Dec 3, 2011 3:05 PM CST reply actions
Vash my boy, it’s time to break out the single Malt &-start the binge early as this game is gonna be a tough one to watch and of course it’s your special day you ole fart. Heh heh heh
by jet on Dec 3, 2011 3:05 PM CST reply actions
Yikes. Case’s streak of throwing what normally would be interceptions…dropped again by defenders. He is into devilry…just kidding.
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 3:05 PM CST reply actions
It is really hard to believe we could ever lose to Baylor two years in a row. To a QB we passed over for a whole bunch of not so successful others. Jeepers, it hurts.
by Flash on Dec 3, 2011 3:06 PM CST reply actions
When the Horns get some healthy backs and a consistent quarterback to go with that line they are going to tough in this offense.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 3:06 PM CST reply actions
Scott was actually deep enough and it wasn’t a great throw, his adjustment while it was in there was just awful.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:06 PM CST reply actions
Briles certainly located Scott and Gideon in his pre-game planning.
That’s the danger of playing non-athletes in your secondary.
Case McCoy’s deep balls are…interesting.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 3:06 PM CST reply actions
The Big Chigger conversations saying we achieved 8 wins was a fucking joke.
We have 7 with our offense decimated by injuries. Some joke.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 3:06 PM CST reply actions
I hate that reverse, but hope it sets up a better play later.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 3:07 PM CST reply actions
McCoy will do OK if we can convince him not to ever try anything longer than a 15-yard throw. We are so fucked at RB.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:07 PM CST reply actions
Nice lateral! Good job on that play…could have been a loss. First Down!
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 3:08 PM CST reply actions
I will say this for Case — kid has a lot of try in him.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:08 PM CST reply actions
Jesus should have redacted the assets and the cigars this week. But then again, ND might join the Big 12 any day now.
by Flash on Dec 3, 2011 3:08 PM CST reply actions
Our safeties suck and Akina has never been known for coaching zone worth a fuck. Brilliant game plan.
by Blueshorn on Dec 3, 2011 3:08 PM CST reply actions
Not a McCoy fan but he’s got more of something than Ash at this point.
by maninblack on Dec 3, 2011 3:08 PM CST reply actions
Toadvine,
Texas has 3 very good defensive backs which in most cases would work if they other guys had average coverage skills.
Briles did the same thing to TCU. Attacked the juco corner early and made him pay for being over anxious and when the Frogs flopped McCoy on Wright they burned him because he can’t find the damn ball in the air.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 3:09 PM CST reply actions
Those reverse trick plays need to have an option to throw it away
by UT07 on Dec 3, 2011 3:09 PM CST reply actions
Johnson is very direct, but I think he runs better fat than he did last year skinny.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:10 PM CST reply actions
That bad spot actually gives us an extra down to smash the ball
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 3:10 PM CST reply actions
I think Texas O looks (relatively) great. Enjoying them moving ball.
by Longhorn NY on Dec 3, 2011 3:10 PM CST reply actions
Boy howdy, we’re gamin the ole “sandlot” schemes today.
a few more plays like that last improv and we won’t have to worry bout Mack retiring cause he’s gonna need a paramedic before this ones over.
by jet on Dec 3, 2011 3:10 PM CST reply actions
I don’t like that play in a goal line set. Too compressed.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 3:11 PM CST reply actions
Did he really say Baylor had excellent safeties?
by Descartes on Dec 3, 2011 3:11 PM CST reply actions
Davey,
Yep — we screwed our zone up on that first throw, and our safety (Scott) didn’t read the throw on the second long one. He should have.
Nice catch by Irby there. Not a very accurate throw. Really hope they turn this one our way.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:12 PM CST reply actions
These refs fucking suck. I called that live.
by Savage Henry on Dec 3, 2011 3:12 PM CST reply actions
A great play call. Irby was wide open. A better throw and he doesn’t have to make that awesome effort.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 3:13 PM CST reply actions
Great catch by Irby. One of those careers you look at and wonder what if the DB had him hit in the middle of the thigh instead of on the knee.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 3:13 PM CST reply actions
Fucking Mccoy almost blew the easiest pass hes ever had. He owes Irby a steak dinner
by craigbiggiosdirtyuniform on Dec 3, 2011 3:13 PM CST reply actions
I will drive to Waco and fucking hunt some refs if that’s not a TD.
by JMR on Dec 3, 2011 3:14 PM CST reply actions
The refs are worse than those ladies intent on screwing over Santa.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 3:15 PM CST reply actions
Okay they won’t screw us. Shutout avoided!
Real happy for Blaine. What might have been…
by spit and tears on Dec 3, 2011 3:16 PM CST reply actions
Cover-5 and Cover-1, rest of the game except for Fire Zones. We should never ask Gideon to catch these guys at the 2nd level.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 3:16 PM CST reply actions
It was a beautiful pass—spirally ’n all, with touch—just not to the receiver.
by parlin on Dec 3, 2011 3:16 PM CST reply actions
Can Irby apply for a medical redshirt after the season?
by TXPride on Dec 3, 2011 3:17 PM CST reply actions
This is 90% Baylor’s defense being miserably awful. Diaz needs to dial up some sorcery on the quick. I don’t know that Big Cody won’t wear down faster than the Baylor D-Line. Can Cobbs still play some RB? Traylon would have gotten his chance.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:17 PM CST reply actions
Okay, Scipio. You’re Manny. What do you do now?
by Descartes on Dec 3, 2011 3:18 PM CST reply actions
Nickel,
Spot on…we have the ability to rough them up at the line and get them off their game. Just play man from here on out
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 3:18 PM CST reply actions
Replacing Irby’s production this season should really not be that difficult.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 3:18 PM CST reply actions
It still astonsihes me that Blake Gideon has been the “best” safety on our roster for 4 years.
by The Wood Shed on Dec 3, 2011 3:19 PM CST reply actions
Irby Should have been able to steal one of Gideon’s years of eligibility
by craigbiggiosdirtyuniform on Dec 3, 2011 3:19 PM CST reply actions
So what other tight end on the Texas roster is capable of making that catch?
His production is a byproduct of the quarterbacks.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 3:21 PM CST reply actions
Descartes -
You can’t have Scott and Gideon on the field at the same time, for starters.
I play man underneath with Byndom, Diggs, Vaccaro (slot), put Phillips as center field and let Blake stand 20 yards from the LOS.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 3:21 PM CST reply actions
Okay, Scipio. You’re Manny. What do you do now?
Hope that RGIII pulls a hammy.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 3:21 PM CST reply actions
Baylor not the only team struggling with tackles today.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 3:21 PM CST reply actions
Tackle dammit. Looks like we are more interested in stripping the ball.
Did we actually hit RGIII?
by spit and tears on Dec 3, 2011 3:22 PM CST reply actions
Blake is better adjusting at a ball in the air than Scott. He just has a tendency to get suck in. Roll the dice. Play MT.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:23 PM CST reply actions
Texas offensive line is whipping the Bear defensive front. If the Horns can just win half the time against the Baylor o-line they have a great chance.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 3:23 PM CST reply actions
Just flipped the channel and saw Georgia recover an onside kick against Ellesue
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 3:24 PM CST reply actions
Is this a record for TV commercials in a 30 minute span? Holy shit.
by Texoz on Dec 3, 2011 3:24 PM CST reply actions
Flipped over to the KState game, and am consistently amazed that Paul Rhodes isn’t getting more run for an HC upgrade.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 3:24 PM CST reply actions
Ganaway wears Paterno style glasses (according to the announcer off the field, and contacts on the field). So essentially, he is blind…ran for 246 yards last weekend and he isn’t on the sideline hobbled?
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 3:24 PM CST reply actions
Wait a minute — Southern Miss gang raped UH??? How did I miss that?
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:24 PM CST reply actions
I think we’ve watched more commercials than game
by craigbiggiosdirtyuniform on Dec 3, 2011 3:24 PM CST reply actions
I don’t even get commercials — just silence. Thanks ESPN Player! Is this an ABC game?
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:26 PM CST reply actions
We could use some defense today. Any sign of defense at all
by RS on Dec 3, 2011 3:26 PM CST reply actions
Holy crap. This is like watching highlights of the game, not the game itself. WTF with the commercials?
by Jabba T. Hug on Dec 3, 2011 3:27 PM CST reply actions
In other news, Baylor had a drive and did not score.
So there’s that.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 3:27 PM CST reply actions
Nice stop, finally. Even Acho cannot tackle RGIII.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:27 PM CST reply actions
Scipio, why not Gideon deep and Phillips within 20 yards?
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 3:27 PM CST reply actions
Toadvine,
Best part was the USM players talking shit to the Coug fans and the spirit organization on the sideline.
Absolutely loved it.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 3:28 PM CST reply actions
The Baylor punter just kicked one 64 yards. Mack didn’t offer.
by Blueshorn on Dec 3, 2011 3:28 PM CST reply actions
Mack’s energy level looks good today. Bloodied, but unbowed.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 3:28 PM CST reply actions
Stupid fucking penalty and then a dumb ass false start. That stadium ain’t that loud.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:29 PM CST reply actions
These god damned officials are trying to ruin this game.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 3:29 PM CST reply actions
The sight of Art Briles erect nipples bothers me.
He looks like a guy who should be directing/producing late 70’s pornography
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 3:30 PM CST reply actions
Why would we ever send everyone deep with Colt at QB? He is so limited. At least Davis looks alive today. Shipley looks very slow.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:30 PM CST reply actions
You have a centerfielder and a deep player? Or is Gideon like a cover-1 rat in the hole?
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 3:31 PM CST reply actions
I’m kinda liking Hills. Would like to see us throw him the ball
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 3:32 PM CST reply actions
Refs want to play the game…instead of letting the players do it. Mr Exciting wide open in the middle of the field. Sometimes I feel like some of our WR’s need to be threatened with a rubber-hose.
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 3:32 PM CST reply actions
RS — Davis made a nice play to come back on a wounded duck.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:32 PM CST reply actions
When Jeremy Hills gets 5 yards a pop you know you are moving the DL.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 3:32 PM CST reply actions
Toad, it does have the effect of clearing out the underneath routes.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 3:32 PM CST reply actions
Holding penalties are kryptonite to this offense.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 3:33 PM CST reply actions
Boy may be hobbled, but that was a great catch and run!
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:34 PM CST reply actions
Nice play but shipley looked to be visibly “limprunning”
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 3:34 PM CST reply actions
I don’t know how they do it, but McCoy to Shipley is gold.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 3:34 PM CST reply actions
Win the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball and the rest really doesn’t fucking matter.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 3:34 PM CST reply actions
Blake Gideon might be the second best safety playing in this game.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:35 PM CST reply actions
Gorgeous playcall, I love the pass on 2nd & short on the goalline
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 3:35 PM CST reply actions
There’s the Luke P play we all anticipated.
Sweet.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 3:35 PM CST reply actions
Baylor doesn’t seem to realize that TEs actually count as eligible receivers.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 3:35 PM CST reply actions
Thank god that dude was in the end zone…if he had 20 yards to hoof it…that might have been hilarious. TD! Hook’em!
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 3:36 PM CST reply actions
Well, Harsin is at least keeping if fun.
Fun is good.
by AKHorn on Dec 3, 2011 3:36 PM CST reply actions
and that was the wrinkle the Asset talked about! Thata boy LUKE!
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 3:36 PM CST reply actions
Roger, open up the personal stash for Gideon. I loved the fake to Cochran.
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 3:36 PM CST reply actions
This Baylor defense might be worse than Kansas’s.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:36 PM CST reply actions
Toadvine, that’s a good point. Safety play was pretty down in the conference this year. Nothing that exciting from OU or Texas unless you count jefferson and Vaccaro.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 3:36 PM CST reply actions
shipley healthy and that goes for a TD, but great play call on 2nd n short
by UT2010 on Dec 3, 2011 3:36 PM CST reply actions
Case’s throws have measurably improved from earlier this year.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 3:37 PM CST reply actions
That touchdown catch is a pat on the back for fat guys everywhere. Outstanding.
by Cult McCoy on Dec 3, 2011 3:38 PM CST reply actions
God bless JS. The asset report and redacted plays!
by Raekwon on Dec 3, 2011 3:38 PM CST reply actions
Case is fine as long as the ball doesn’t have to travel more than 15 yards and he doesn’t receive a hint of pressure initiating his bail instincts.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 3:39 PM CST reply actions
If the refs stop fucking us we can do this.
by Savage Henry on Dec 3, 2011 3:39 PM CST reply actions
Look at that time of possession! 16 and change to 2 and a half!
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 3:39 PM CST reply actions
UT07,
Two touchdown passes to two different tight ends.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 3:40 PM CST reply actions
If case can hit guys in stride and on the move it will open il the O
by craigbiggiosdirtyuniform on Dec 3, 2011 3:40 PM CST reply actions
Nice time of possession…16:33 for Texas/ 2:34 for Baylor. This could help us later on.
I think Baylor’s D just sort of looks at RGIII and goes, “Whazzup?”
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 3:40 PM CST reply actions
Yippee !
I am slowly beginning to look forward to next season !
by Flash on Dec 3, 2011 3:40 PM CST reply actions
We have to at least touch him when the pocket collapses like that. RGIII is so good.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:41 PM CST reply actions
Man, RGIII has amazing pocket radar. Wilson had a sack there against any other QB.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 3:41 PM CST reply actions
honestly, our QB situation won’t be ideal next year, but if Diaz stays and we don’t lose 3 RBs again we should have a serviceable offense with Case and Ash.
by Texoz on Dec 3, 2011 3:41 PM CST reply actions
Missed a holding call those fucks
by craigbiggiosdirtyuniform on Dec 3, 2011 3:42 PM CST reply actions
How are they running the ball? Too much emphasis on RG?
by UT07 on Dec 3, 2011 3:42 PM CST reply actions
As good as Keenan looked last week is exactly as lost as he looks this week.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:42 PM CST reply actions
Oh no, Baylor fans upset that refs aren’t helping them anymore
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 3:43 PM CST reply actions
We using Cobbs or Hicks as the dime or Scott?
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 3:44 PM CST reply actions
Matt Millen seems exceptionally more incomptent since the PSU scandal broke. Perhaps he has some unfriendly memories about Sandusky that have resurfaced.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 3:44 PM CST reply actions
D-line is getting mugged. Lot’s of grabbing around the waist.
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 3:45 PM CST reply actions
Collin Klein already has 25 carries for 87 yards with 10:00 to go in the 4th Quarter against Iowa State. He ain’t RG III, but I kind of love that dude.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:45 PM CST reply actions
You know exactly what we’re doing in that empty set. I don’t like it from a risk-reward standpoint. Maybe Harsin sees something I don’t.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 3:47 PM CST reply actions
Goodwin with the speed!!! TD! 3 TD’s holy shit. Three??? Passing TD’s?
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 3:48 PM CST reply actions
Does it matter though, if Baylor knows what we are doing? I hate empty too but it makes it easy to isolate their safeties.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 3:48 PM CST reply actions
Jesus Christ Goddwin is fast…wow that just put it in perspective
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 3:48 PM CST reply actions
A good 15-18 feet on the skip in the end zone. Love the faux high jump after the score.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 3:49 PM CST reply actions
This is the “who has the worst white safety” game.
by Merhorn on Dec 3, 2011 3:49 PM CST reply actions
And Harsin reminds me why he’s smarter than I am.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 3:49 PM CST reply actions
Baylor is god awful. Worst D-1 defense I have ever seen, at least in the secondary. Looks like they pulled the safety out of the Fiji low-hoops tourney.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:49 PM CST reply actions
You like any score, but I wish we’d given our D more rest.
They’ll need some luck to shut Griffin down here.
by parlin on Dec 3, 2011 3:49 PM CST reply actions
Is it too late to get Case into the Heisman discussion?
by Durant Durant on Dec 3, 2011 3:49 PM CST reply actions
God bless Even if McCoy doesn’t put much touch on the ball. And Goodwin is not a pretty route runner. But I’m happy.
by Post Mortimer on Dec 3, 2011 3:49 PM CST reply actions
You are right Law, Goodwin straight line speed without being touched is elite.
by Merhorn on Dec 3, 2011 3:50 PM CST reply actions
Was that the first long jump as the celebration ever?
by topwater on Dec 3, 2011 3:50 PM CST reply actions
Harsin is isolating the safety on middle crossing routes…goodwin just ran the same route as shipley did before. Harsin smells blood there me thinks
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 3:50 PM CST reply actions
Long jumped for a TD.
Nice timing on that pitch and cut.
by triplehorn on Dec 3, 2011 3:50 PM CST reply actions
Scipio is fallible after all, Goodwin brings the speed!
by Blaze Pascal on Dec 3, 2011 3:50 PM CST reply actions
Missed the start. Is Goodwin wearing Fozzy’s number? I appreciate the respect they show to my nine year old daughter’s all time favorite player.
by flipteach on Dec 3, 2011 3:51 PM CST reply actions
I’m glad Goodwin long-jumped AFTER he ran into the end zone. He does that too early and he lands out the back of it and we lose the score. ;-)
by Sasha is a Longhorn Dog on Dec 3, 2011 3:51 PM CST reply actions
When the pocket’s not collapsing on him, Case makes good decisions. I love seeing receivers hit in stride. Not much of that in recent years. Also nice to see some downfield action. Hopefully will open up the running game.
by Post Mortimer on Dec 3, 2011 3:51 PM CST reply actions
Has Jeffcoat played? Only noticed Wilson so far.
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 3:51 PM CST reply actions
Baylor v Houston would be an awesome offensive display in a bowl game. Set the o/u at 112.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 3:51 PM CST reply actions
Yeah, Harsin knows his shit. Not a bad throw either, although that white safety is a HILARIOUS.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:51 PM CST reply actions
I said in my preview that Baylor’s safeties suck out loud. Right now they’re deafening.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 3:51 PM CST reply actions
Matt Millen, after his truly forgettable years as the CEO of the Detroit Lions, assessed the job he did as “beyond awful.” He’s pretty much summed up his career as a sportscaster . . .
. . . and the Baylor defensive secondary.
by AKHorn on Dec 3, 2011 3:51 PM CST reply actions
Whomever wears Fozzy’s Number 2 scores a TD in a game! Sweet.
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 3:52 PM CST reply actions
I think coupled with UH’s loss, we’re seeing a real changing of the guard in terms of QB’s namd Case.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 3:52 PM CST reply actions
One of the Baylor DB or safety looked like he was gimpy at the end of the Goodwin run.
by Texoz on Dec 3, 2011 3:52 PM CST reply actions
FUCK YOU BLAKE GIDEON! ok i’m finished screaming now
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 3:52 PM CST reply actions
My critique of Goodwin is more about stop-start. Hit that dude in stride, and it’s 6.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 3:53 PM CST reply actions
LMFAO – Gideon providing some comedy in his second-to-last game in white.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 3:53 PM CST reply actions
Ha ha. Announcer, “You wonder is something is wrong with Gideon?”
by Texoz on Dec 3, 2011 3:53 PM CST reply actions
Gideon can’t tackle for shit in the open field.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 3:53 PM CST reply actions
it’s amazing that blake has started every single game since he’s stepped on campus
by wtf242 on Dec 3, 2011 3:54 PM CST reply actions
Agreed on Goodwin Scipio. He hasn’t learned how to to use the track speed on the football field.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 3:55 PM CST reply actions
Can we stop with the death wishes against our OWN players. Some of you guys are pathetic. Criticize the play, fine. But stop with the personal attacks.
by Sasha is a Longhorn Dog on Dec 3, 2011 3:55 PM CST reply actions
Our LBs are having a tough day. Trying to watch RGIII and then break to a big RB makes for a long day.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 3:55 PM CST reply actions
Why is Gideon still on the field? It is infuriating that the coaching staff won’t pull him and put someone else out there.
by Draper on Dec 3, 2011 3:56 PM CST reply actions
Based on the Tucker comments in last game thread, Gideon is due for an interception.
by goldenbohls on Dec 3, 2011 3:56 PM CST reply actions
Did I hear that right about bone out of the skin in the Missouri game???
by Cult McCoy on Dec 3, 2011 3:57 PM CST reply actions
@goldenbohls I hope we don’t let Gideon throw.
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 3:57 PM CST reply actions
Looks like Baylor was going to run again. We stacked the line and RGIII called a smart TO.
by Monahorns on Dec 3, 2011 3:57 PM CST reply actions
Maybe the most damning stat against Mack is that Gideon has startded 569 games straight.
by craigbiggiosdirtyuniform on Dec 3, 2011 3:57 PM CST reply actions
Somebody please give Gideon a #2 jersey…he needs it
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 3:57 PM CST reply actions
I never thought I’d miss anyone less than Bobino, but I’m going to throw a fucking coke party when Gideon leaves.
by JMR on Dec 3, 2011 3:58 PM CST reply actions
Briles just stared into Diaz’s soul. And blicked.
by Monahorns on Dec 3, 2011 3:59 PM CST reply actions
Monroe almost got to his top gear there. Nice return.
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 4:00 PM CST reply actions
So we finally have an answer to what might us look competent offensively. Baylor.
by Draper on Dec 3, 2011 4:01 PM CST reply actions
you have got to be kidding me…all momentum just went back to baylor
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 4:02 PM CST reply actions
Hopkins just isn’t a tackle and Texas must land that Juco tackle.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 4:02 PM CST reply actions
That’s the mental farts Case brings along with his immaturity.
by Merhorn on Dec 3, 2011 4:02 PM CST reply actions
First Walters with an incredibly incompetent cut block, then that crap. We look disjointed as hell.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 4:02 PM CST reply actions
What the fuck just happened? Seriously. What the fuck just happened?
by Draper on Dec 3, 2011 4:03 PM CST reply actions
That sack was on Walters as much or more than Hopkins.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 4:03 PM CST reply actions
Okay, Gideon haters. Whatcha got?
BTW, at least 3 holding calls there not made
by RS on Dec 3, 2011 4:04 PM CST reply actions
Who’d have thunk that RGIII would emulate Case McCoy today?
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 4:05 PM CST reply actions
Damn our D line is playing sooooo much better in the 2nd half of the season.
RGIII just lost 10 votes there.
by Art Vandelay on Dec 3, 2011 4:05 PM CST reply actions
Hillis had one man to beat and a blocker on that screen.. Damn.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 4:06 PM CST reply actions
Ok then. Apparently shitting all over a player in a game day thread will make him play better.
by Draper on Dec 3, 2011 4:06 PM CST reply actions
Misdirected hostility. Christian Scott is the S you should guys should be ragging on.
by MaxATX on Dec 3, 2011 4:06 PM CST reply actions
RS,
As long as he doesn’t have to tackle in the open field or cover a receiver the guy man up can play.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 4:06 PM CST reply actions
Well he had been living dangerously for weeks. They are jumping his routes now. It almost happened on the screen.
We should be running it here. Got greedy.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 4:06 PM CST reply actions
Dumbest call of the year — Case cannot throw that pass
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 4:06 PM CST reply actions
AND that’s why McCoy scares me…could see it coming a mile away. horrid decision
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 4:06 PM CST reply actions
That’s a game – losing quality play right there.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 4:07 PM CST reply actions
“Good luck, Jim. This offense will self-destruct in five seconds.”
by Descartes on Dec 3, 2011 4:07 PM CST reply actions
That was not a screen…that was freakish. Can no one see in the fog?
Nice momentum shift there. Bad snap…Fumble…Int…Int…for a pick 6.
Baylor’s D packing up now. I think that number 8 for Baylor is likely their best Defensive player. He looks like Predator.
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 4:07 PM CST reply actions
He had Shipley deeper, didn’t even look. Terrible play by Case.
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 4:07 PM CST reply actions
Penalties, int’s, fumbles. Not close to being ready to play today. Why?
by RS on Dec 3, 2011 4:08 PM CST reply actions
What kind of FUCKING play calling is that? RUN THE GODDAMN BALL
by lonesome devil on Dec 3, 2011 4:08 PM CST reply actions
Two awful turnovers on short fields. Cannot do that shit against a great offense.
Is Cody already on oxygen, or what? And why are we throwing the ball so much? We need to settle down and get back to grinding it.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 4:09 PM CST reply actions
Agree with Toadvine. No way we should have been throwing on that possession. Run, run out the clock, and take the lead into halftime.
by AKHorn on Dec 3, 2011 4:09 PM CST reply actions
That’s all on fucking Harsin. WTF? Since when was Case throwing it 30+ times per game in the game plan. What a fucking disaster the last 2 series were on Offense. Harsin should fucking apologize to the Defense when he gets in the lockerroom. Asshole.
by Mr. Orange on Dec 3, 2011 4:09 PM CST reply actions
Corner gambled on the play and won. But that’s too many turnovers by the offense. And too much throwing in general.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 4:09 PM CST reply actions
Harsin is not as good as we all wish. And not nearly as bright either.
by Flash on Dec 3, 2011 4:09 PM CST reply actions
When we go into throw every down mode we can’t function and we are totally vulnerable.
by lonesome devil on Dec 3, 2011 4:09 PM CST reply actions
We have 232 passing yards in the first half, that’s why we are calling passing plays. Not Harsin’s fault if we can’t execute.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 4:09 PM CST reply actions
We’re down by a missed fg at half, I hope we can make more/better adjustments than them
by Cult McCoy on Dec 3, 2011 4:10 PM CST reply actions
What was Harsin thinking, throwing on that down in that situation?
by lsb286 on Dec 3, 2011 4:10 PM CST reply actions
Wow what a first half collapse. Penalities and turnovers. What’s wrong with this team? Besides our terrible white safety
by craigbiggiosdirtyuniform on Dec 3, 2011 4:11 PM CST reply actions
Another mindless penalty. What’s that, 15 or so?
by 53 Veer Pass on Dec 3, 2011 4:11 PM CST reply actions
The ref seems to be having too much fun calling penalties against Texas. He can go fuck himself.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 4:11 PM CST reply actions
As poorly prepared as Mack has the team today, we should be behind by 30 points
by RS on Dec 3, 2011 4:11 PM CST reply actions
God damn. Can somebody chew out special teams? These penalties are ridiculous.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 4:11 PM CST reply actions
The french have a word for this kind of stuff.
Shitfuck
by Draper on Dec 3, 2011 4:11 PM CST reply actions
@ SavageHenry, that’s not as bad as when Gideon’s INT cost of 30 yds of field position vs. Bama.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 4:12 PM CST reply actions
Is it just me, or does Mack look a little…like Jack Nicholson in the Shining?
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 4:12 PM CST reply actions
No one was complaining about Harsin’s touchdown calls
by parlin on Dec 3, 2011 4:12 PM CST reply actions
Yeah, we’re in good shape though. We just need to get back to the running that opened up the passing.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 4:12 PM CST reply actions
232 passing yards is in now way indicative of our crappy passing offense. 2/3 came on 2 plays. RUN THE FUCKING BALL. Baylor D cannot stop the run consistently and we’re going to win this game by pounding the ball and converting short 3rd downs. Period.
by Mr. Orange on Dec 3, 2011 4:12 PM CST reply actions
Since when was Case throwing it 30+ times per game in the game plan.
Since we have lost our 3 best running backs and since Baylor sucks in the defensive backfield. That being said, that series was not the time to be throwing.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 4:12 PM CST reply actions
Seriously. I’ve never seen a player called for doing upside down horns. Isn’t that the definition?
ABC with no replay of either PF.
by Savage Henry on Dec 3, 2011 4:13 PM CST reply actions
Brûlée is going to use his timeouts to get the ball back. Unbelievable.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 4:13 PM CST reply actions
158 yards came on two throws down the field
81 yards came on the 10 other catches.
Throw it down the field, but Texas isn’t throwing outs deep in their end of the field with less than 2 minutes to go because Case has a career day passing.
it was a bad call and a bad read.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 4:13 PM CST reply actions
Did anyone ever hear how Brown injured his knee? Some stupid overwork in practice?
by RS on Dec 3, 2011 4:13 PM CST reply actions
You guys understand that receivers run routes to set up the actual play call, correct?
Shipley was wide open. McCoy decided he was throwing the out to Davis before the ball was even snapped to him.
Harsin likely prefers he throw it to the open guy.
Any bad play result doesn’t mean it’s a bad play call.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 4:13 PM CST reply actions
And anyway, it’s pretty obvious that Baylor is going to be jumping those underneath routes. That is going to open up some stop and go plays.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 4:13 PM CST reply actions
BTW the fact that Kansas Freakin State – who kind of suck – is going to a BCS bowl game is a sign of wasted opportunity.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 4:13 PM CST reply actions
That set of play calls leading to the interception reminded me of that stupid shovel pass at the end of the first half against Alabama. Kill the clock and go to locker room…
by Bob in Houston on Dec 3, 2011 4:14 PM CST reply actions
Sam Steele works for ESPN so she should be wearing burnt orange during these games. Anything but maroon.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 4:15 PM CST reply actions
Yeah, I don’t get the griping on Harsin here. Case made a horrible decision and throw. It’s on him.
by A-Tex Devil on Dec 3, 2011 4:15 PM CST reply actions
According to Mack, both offenses are trying to scrote. Interesting observation.
by BrickHorn on Dec 3, 2011 4:15 PM CST reply actions
That’s a weird half, as a whole. But I’ve got more confidence that if we can knock out the stupid shit, we’ll be ok.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 4:16 PM CST reply actions
Sometimes I wonder what exactly people expect from Case. (Or Ash for that matter), and what those expectations are based on. Do you have some film of him from high school that I haven’t seen? Or perhaps inside knowledge of his true origins from the Planet Krypton?
He’s a C+ quarterback, that can occasionally play up to a B- based on his (inexplicable) sandlot abilities.
I’m actually pretty satisfied with his play so far. I was expecting a little worse than this.
by Jabba T. Hug on Dec 3, 2011 4:16 PM CST reply actions
Grant Teaff must be in the house.
What did Matt Millen score on the Wonderlic?
That pic 6 reminded me of the MNC game against Bama. Bad play call choice at the end of the 1st half given the game and QB situation.
by Art Vandelay on Dec 3, 2011 4:17 PM CST reply actions
Mack’s political mode is grating. I should just turn off the sound.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 4:17 PM CST reply actions
Go Georgia! Because who cares. Since we can’t affect the outcome of the BCS business…I want a total upheaval
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 4:18 PM CST reply actions
Mack’s political mode is grating. I should just turn off the sound.
He buried a not-so-subtle jab at the refs in all that coachspeak.
by BrickHorn on Dec 3, 2011 4:18 PM CST reply actions
The good news is that our DL is getting some pressure with only 4 and our corners are playing quite well. it’s really about the safeties giving us anything at all.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 4:19 PM CST reply actions
@BrickHorn: “Baylor got some breaks there at the end….”
Translation: “The refs are fucking us hard.”
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 4:19 PM CST reply actions
Agreed Art. You can go into halftime in good shape and land a couple more body punches. Maybe even set up a play action shot over the middle deep again. Having said that, Case does show a disturbing inability to accurately gauge his own arm strength. The ball sometimes gets there, but never in a hurry.
Hey, over all my takeaways are: (1) we can run even without a RB; (2) Baylor’s secondary is awful; (3) a very slowed Jaxon is much faster than the Baylor safeties; and (4) if DJ Monroe could catch he would be awesome.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 4:21 PM CST reply actions
Scipio,
Calls are indeed made to set up other plays just like some routes are run to set up others.
It was a bad call to me because it required a young quarterback who has made some very bad judgements this year to make the right decision deep in the Texas end of the field with little time before half.
There is a time to be aggressive and a time to take the lead into half and get the kick to start the second half.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 4:21 PM CST reply actions
He didn’t just say “Baylor got some breaks…” He said “Baylor got some advantages…” Huge difference in implication, imo.
by BrickHorn on Dec 3, 2011 4:21 PM CST reply actions
Bad play call. Ship was open for a easy 15 yards on the corner route. We can’t make Case read a cover 2 defense and understand where the holes are. Where the holes always are.
by Bobby_Batronic on Dec 3, 2011 4:22 PM CST reply actions
I’m hoping for something south of 10 penalties in the 2nd half. Maybe a holding call on Baylor to kill a drive of theirs.
Need better play from Reggie Wilson. Keep being aggressive on offense and wear them out.
Sam Steele could has asked Mack what his favorite color was and he would have had the same answer. He’s good at hiding his anger.
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 4:23 PM CST reply actions
@BrickHorn, I concur. I misremembered the word thanks in part to Wild Turkey.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 4:23 PM CST reply actions
Can 3 teams from same conf go to the BCS ?
If two non-championship teams from the same conference make the BCS Championship game, then yes 3 teams can go - otherwise no.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 4:23 PM CST reply actions
Georgia came to play.
What happens if they win?
by goldenbohls on Dec 3, 2011 4:24 PM CST reply actions
Georgia has been improving each week on offense. They do have some weapons. I want there to be a giant clusterfuck of upsets.
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 4:28 PM CST reply actions
I hate people’s inability to process history even with moments of it happening.
Guys, it was 3rd and 4 on our 26 with 1:30 on the clock. Process that.
The notion that we run the ball there and punt is comedy. Seriously. Stop embarrassing yourselves with the hindsight shit. You’d be whining your ass off if we’d punted there after a three yard run and given RGIII the ball on their 40 with plenty of time. You’d be citing Case’s stat line as a reason that we should have thrown it.
We called a legit play. It’s a two man read and one man is wide fucking open. What else do you want?
The QB made a bad read and has the arm of a fourteen year old. It’s not real complicated.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 4:29 PM CST reply actions
Harsin has got to realize what he’s working with there at the half. We can move the fucking ball at the field position running. Pound it a few times and then pull the play action out.
I don’t care if we have 7000 yards passing at the half, it’s called game management.
by lonesome devil on Dec 3, 2011 4:29 PM CST reply actions
Davey said it better than me. I don’t doubt that Case made the wrong read and a crappy throw, but he should never have been placed in that situation by the play call. Run the ball, do what you can and go into halftime up 21-17.
And btw, the honey badger just had a sick punt return for a TD.
by Mr. Orange on Dec 3, 2011 4:30 PM CST reply actions
By the way, this is a sore spot for me. The ahistorical nature of the commentariat where all things are judged solely on outcome irrespective of process is incredibly irritating to me.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 4:30 PM CST reply actions
God…Georgia’s special teams just went full retard on that punt return…
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 4:31 PM CST reply actions
Scipio, no disrespect, but you have to realize he called a screen pass the play before and it killed the clock as well.
by lonesome devil on Dec 3, 2011 4:31 PM CST reply actions
True scip, our fans are slightly crazy right now. We don’t have Greg Davis to blame anymore so our fellows who can’t understand past the surface are freaking out across the interwebs. Case just predetermines too much still, like our other 2 QBs this year. Bad throw with a slight arm.
by Balltastic Motivization on Dec 3, 2011 4:31 PM CST reply actions
Wow . CUSA just lost $13MM withthe UH loss. Uh couldve used that $2MM.
by RIVALWEAR on Dec 3, 2011 4:32 PM CST reply actions
Scipio,
I think the beef had more to do with the throw on second down too. Indicative of the approach o the possession generally. I would have played it more conservative and eaten clock. I’m with you on the fourteen year old arm though.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 4:32 PM CST reply actions
Yes. Because screens are notorious for being incomplete.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 4:32 PM CST reply actions
There was a big time block in the back on that LSU runback.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 4:33 PM CST reply actions
“Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it.”
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 4:34 PM CST reply actions
Well, if Harsin calls any more plays with open receivers and the QB turfs it when that QB’s previous stat line was 11 of 17 for 232 and 3 TDs, I hope he learns from that folly.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 4:34 PM CST reply actions
Texas down 6 to UCLA at the half in LA. Power is only semi-functioning in the substitute venue for Pauly Pavilion.
by hoyahorn on Dec 3, 2011 4:35 PM CST reply actions
Screen call was good too. Ball was behind Hills and Grant didn’t pick up the DB coming through.
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 4:35 PM CST reply actions
So risking a turnover is better than a 35 yard punt? Oh-kay
by RS on Dec 3, 2011 4:36 PM CST reply actions
Mack’s political mode is grating. I should just turn off the sound.
Everything about Mack is grating to me. I should just turn off the TV.
by Blueshorn on Dec 3, 2011 4:36 PM CST reply actions
Sustaining a drive for points here is going to be key.
Keep Griffin off the field and out of his rhythm, or this one goes away quick.
by parlin on Dec 3, 2011 4:37 PM CST reply actions
Keeping the ball away from RGIII is better than a 35-yard punt.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 4:37 PM CST reply actions
My point is not hindsight. It is simply, you have to know what you have to work with. If you have a noodle armed QB, don’t try to work a Dan Marino game plan.
i agree a screen is relatively safe, but hindsight proved the point. So did AL in the MNC.
by lonesome devil on Dec 3, 2011 4:38 PM CST reply actions
Case isn’t super accurate, but at least he can’t throw it very hard.
by hoyahorn on Dec 3, 2011 4:40 PM CST reply actions
Hoping the weather continues to deteriorate, but looks like that front is stalling….
by Cult McCoy on Dec 3, 2011 4:40 PM CST reply actions
At the end of the half I was hoping Mack would go with some safe plays and see if Texas got lucky rather than be aggressive. While the Texas offense performed well, Mack has been overly aggressive in these end of half situations this season.
Thought the fumble recovery attempt by Case was weak.
10 flags in one half is horrendous, really, really sloppy.
Nice plays by Goodwin and Ship to take short passes and turn them into huge plays.
Hate to see Harsin call for Case to throw long sideways passes to the sideline. Case’s passes are very slow going through the air and if the horn WR is not very aggressive in preventing the interception, it is a likely pick.
These screen plays that are right in the middle of a mass of players near the LOS are not likely to succeed and are prone to being turnovers.
Agree that listening to Mack is grating. I turn off the sound.
by Kafka on Dec 3, 2011 4:40 PM CST reply actions
Was that a bad call too?
Because it didn’t work even though it was wide open.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 4:41 PM CST reply actions
There is the DJ and Cody backfield I was asking for last year!!!
by Balltastic Motivization on Dec 3, 2011 4:41 PM CST reply actions
We didn’t eat up much of the clock on that one. Not a bad drive. At least it netted three.
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 4:42 PM CST reply actions
Scipio,
Stop being so freaking condescending. People should be able to disagree with you without essentially being called idiots. Lots of us can process just fine thank you. I’m pretty sure Harsin regrets the call. You think he is a wizard (and I think he is great as well) and the wizard is well aware that he has an in inexperienced QB with a 14 year old arm.
by Art Vandelay on Dec 3, 2011 4:44 PM CST reply actions
We need to plug that coverage hole there. Wright has found it and loves it.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 4:45 PM CST reply actions
If a tree shits in the woods, does a bear hear it? I guess it was a good call to protect the field goal attempt.
by lonesome devil on Dec 3, 2011 4:45 PM CST reply actions
How come it works when RG3 throws it to the water coolers?
by Flash on Dec 3, 2011 4:46 PM CST reply actions
That drive was all RGIII. Great reads, great throws. Hat tipped. Let’s go, offense.
by hoyahorn on Dec 3, 2011 4:47 PM CST reply actions
So their drive was 1:30…with a few run plays. Ours was around the same time wise. They get 7 we get 3. Shit.
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 4:47 PM CST reply actions
Those sideline routes were just damn effective.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 4:47 PM CST reply actions
If we have to play Zone we should at least still play man on Wright.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 4:48 PM CST reply actions
We can’t zone for shit. It still calls for your safeties to have the ability to make a play laterally.
That was just a series of easy stop routes. Terrible series by Diaz. You can’t just allow a walk down the field.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 4:48 PM CST reply actions
Millen with some insight – “Why no man to man? RGIII.”
by goldenbohls on Dec 3, 2011 4:48 PM CST reply actions
That drive was not so much RGIII as it was our secondary 10 to 15 yards off the receivers.
by Texoz on Dec 3, 2011 4:48 PM CST reply actions
Prayers please, for one of my neighbors, the Sheriff of Jeff Davis County, Rick McIvor, in hospital in Lubbock after heart attack.
by Tex Long on Dec 3, 2011 4:50 PM CST reply actions
Bull shit and stop being a freaking prima donna about this issue. We all know you have a vocabulary none of us can touch, write better than us, and I know you are sure as hell smarter than me but that doesn’t make you right on this matter.
Texas got hit early for two scores, got settled, took the lead, dodged a bullet on a deep turnover, and had a chance to go in the half with the lead and get the opening kick.
It wasn’t if the call worked or not, it was the fact success was dependent on the decision making process of a quarterback who hasn’t exactly this year and this game made the best decisions.
Baylor hadn’t done shit that quarter on offense and there was nothing wrong with punting and trusting Manny’s guys.
Tell you what. You tell us when to agree and when to disagree with you.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 4:51 PM CST reply actions
Harsin knows what he has a QB. He knew it before he arrived on campus. Genius is showing how to win with what he has to play with today.
by Flash on Dec 3, 2011 4:51 PM CST reply actions
Cody doesn’t give a flip about pad level. He will still roll you.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 4:53 PM CST reply actions
Prayers please, for one of my neighbors, the Sheriff of Jeff Davis County, Rick McIvor, in hospital in Lubbock after heart attack.
Sorry to hear that, Rick is a good guy and was a helluva athlete here.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 4:54 PM CST reply actions
Pretty rich for Matt Millen to criticize poor coaching.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 4:54 PM CST reply actions
I never thought I’d be saying this, but, Great tackle by Irby.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 4:55 PM CST reply actions
Fucking penalties are fucking taking them out of the fucking game plan. Fuck.
by lonesome devil on Dec 3, 2011 4:55 PM CST reply actions
If you’re going to miss high, don’t miss high over the middle. Revenge of the slow white safety there.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 4:55 PM CST reply actions
Fuck! That white dude from Baylor just knocking our shit down. INT…
Tex Long, praying for your uncle. I lost my dad to a heart attack…hopefully your uncle will be okay.
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 4:56 PM CST reply actions
I guess I should seriously hate me some Case? What the heck. He is what he is.
by Flash on Dec 3, 2011 4:56 PM CST reply actions
All of you pussies saying ball game need to turn off your computers and go suck your thumbs. We ain’t dead yet. Too many fucking penalties on the OL.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 4:56 PM CST reply actions
I hate Baylor fans almost as much as I hate aggie fans.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 4:56 PM CST reply actions
Our football team is so fucking terrible. I just want to puke. Fuck.
by DeepEddy on Dec 3, 2011 4:56 PM CST reply actions
they have RG3, we have two guys who couldn’t start for Westlake’s jv
by RS on Dec 3, 2011 4:57 PM CST reply actions
Case doesn’t throw ints, he simply runs out of completions!
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 4:57 PM CST reply actions
We can still win this ballgame, though we’ll need a little luck.
C’mon Horns.
by parlin on Dec 3, 2011 4:57 PM CST reply actions
I wonder when the hell Mack will start imposing some kind of discipline on his teams. We have a knack for untimely penalties that boggles the mind.
by 53 Veer Pass on Dec 3, 2011 4:57 PM CST reply actions
I feel like we’re ahead in this game without moronic procedure penalties.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 4:57 PM CST reply actions
@Toadvine, No way this shit is over. It wasn’t over when Baylor started off 14-0, and it ain’t over now.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 4:57 PM CST reply actions
Ummm…Horns were down 14 in first half and took lead. It’s not “game over” by a long shot.
by BillyParham on Dec 3, 2011 4:58 PM CST reply actions
It’s really not whether it is on Harsin or Case. The main thing is that Major is free of all blemishes and still the anointed successor to the thrown.
by Flash on Dec 3, 2011 4:58 PM CST reply actions
I will say that we went to the well one too many times on that play. That is the same play Jaxon and Marquise did well on, but good coordinators take options away. That one seems gone at least on 3rd and long.
by Monahorns on Dec 3, 2011 4:58 PM CST reply actions
Fuck this shit. Terrible showing in all phases. Thanks for everything, but please get your poor, tired, 5-million-dollar corn pone ass the fuck out of here, Mack Brown.
by JMR on Dec 3, 2011 4:58 PM CST reply actions
If there’s anything positive about this game, it’s that Mack couldn’t possibly believe that Case is the answer at QB. How can a player start for Texas when he has no arm, very little accuracy, and almost no pocket presence? I even think he’s the best option this year: but…how?!?!
by Mark on Dec 3, 2011 4:59 PM CST reply actions
Scipio,
I truly feel sorry for you if you are so intolerant of people questioning a call by a coach that you can’t let it go. Your site your world, but fuck it.
by Davey O'Brien on Dec 3, 2011 4:59 PM CST reply actions
Arriviste -
That was awesome.
We’re not out of this. Baylor’s D gives you hope.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 4:59 PM CST reply actions
The number of penalties against Texas in this game is astonishing. Other than the 2 kick return personal foul calls that the network mysteriously isn’t showing, I think they were all legitimate calls. Just terrible discipline by the team today.
by DeepEddy on Dec 3, 2011 5:00 PM CST reply actions
Scip – That throw sucked balls and you’re right it’s on Case.
That particular call, though…isn’t there another way to isolate the safeties than that same play for a 3rd time? Already got ’em twice with Ship and Goodwin on the right side…Harsin just called the same play from the other side of the field.
by BillyParham on Dec 3, 2011 5:00 PM CST reply actions
We can easily hate on Case but I say damn you GG. You ran off some talent and have decided to leave and not face the music. The guys we have left want to be Longhorns.
by Cousin It on Dec 3, 2011 5:00 PM CST reply actions
Gotta keep being aggressive. Case must progress. Hey DJ can catch.
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 5:01 PM CST reply actions
Alright. Score a ficking touchdown. Let’s win this thing
by Randy Marsh on Dec 3, 2011 5:01 PM CST reply actions
Our game manager just threw his second pick. I thought he was starting because he didn’t throw interceptions. He’s back out there, so I guess it doesn’t matter.
by Blueshorn on Dec 3, 2011 5:01 PM CST reply actions
The “answer at QB” probably isn’t on campus yet, and I believe Mack knew that well before this game.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 5:01 PM CST reply actions
Case is having his best/worst game as Longhorn. Cut out some of the motion penalties by OL and the three TOs by Case and we’re winning this game.
Also, with a healthy Bergeron, or Brown, or Fozzy we have more control of this game. Hills has made some nice runs, but also been brought down on a few runs that the other 3 might run through.
by Texoz on Dec 3, 2011 5:01 PM CST reply actions
Will someone let me know when I can have an opinion other than the one Scipio frames?
by AKHorn on Dec 3, 2011 5:01 PM CST reply actions
How many holding penalties does UT have vs how many for Baylor?
by Texoz on Dec 3, 2011 5:02 PM CST reply actions
Davey -
People can question anything they want. I laid out the scenario and the context. No one will actually debate those facts. It’s all generalities. If that hurts your feelings, tough.
We were killing them throwing the ball. We called a pass on 3rd and 4 with 1:30 on the clock. It’s a two man route. One guy is wide open. The QB turfs it. And our staff is insane? Pure hindsight.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 5:02 PM CST reply actions
12 penaltes and 3 gamekilling TO’s = epic fail.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 5:02 PM CST reply actions
Just remember RGIII wanted to play here. We said no…“we got GG…you can be WR!”
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 5:02 PM CST reply actions
Chick just won 100K in football throwing halftime contest at SEC game and is having emotional meltdown on national tv
by RS on Dec 3, 2011 5:03 PM CST reply actions
Our linemen look lost in space on those pulling plays today.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 5:03 PM CST reply actions
The Baylor D really sucks. But not as much as our injury depleted O.
by Flash on Dec 3, 2011 5:03 PM CST reply actions
Prayers please, for one of my neighbors, the Sheriff of Jeff Davis County, Rick McIvor, in hospital in Lubbock after heart attack.
Sorry to hear that. Will do.
by Dmitri Kissov on Dec 3, 2011 5:04 PM CST reply actions
And Baylor’s Gideon is now being made to look like an all american. Fuck all.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 5:04 PM CST reply actions
Haven’t lost back to back Baylor since ’91 and ’92
Fan-fucking -tastic
by maninblack on Dec 3, 2011 5:04 PM CST reply actions
God, the Ash package is telegraphed. 3rd and 19, right on schedule.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 5:04 PM CST reply actions
FUCK. If McCoy throws that well we have TD. Instead an INT.
by Texoz on Dec 3, 2011 5:04 PM CST reply actions
So Case is reverting to the mean as far as ints go.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 5:04 PM CST reply actions
Wow, Case. When will we see Mykkele Thompson out there under center?
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 5:04 PM CST reply actions
Damnit to hell. It is that damn Predator looking fucker…again. INT.
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 5:04 PM CST reply actions
Criticism last week for being critical of this program…. 7-5 with the only one signature win over 6-6 aggie. isn’t much improvement over last year.
All this young talent and we should be improved next year, but there is no answer for QB. As much as I hate to admit it, we have now achieved the mediocrity of the Mackovic era
Who the hell is gonna play QB for this team?
by CD on Dec 3, 2011 5:05 PM CST reply actions
How exactly am I preventing anyone from stating their opinion? Are your comments being erased? No.
I’m clearly in the minority.
You’re welcome to disagree. If the quality of your disagreement doesn’t look too good when it’s laid bare, then that’s on you.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 5:05 PM CST reply actions
Third pick. Didn’t set his feet. Under-threw Davis.
by Blueshorn on Dec 3, 2011 5:05 PM CST reply actions
The drive-killing penalty and the de rigeuer interception. Sit your ass down, Case.
by 53 Veer Pass on Dec 3, 2011 5:05 PM CST reply actions
Well, shit. Case is just shitting the bed now.
Here you go Scipio —
You have a shaky QB with some false confidence because of some bad coverage. You just saved momentum, despite a bad turnover. You can go into halftime with a lead. Instead, you put the game into the hands of your shaky QB. And he fucks up. There’s your context.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 5:05 PM CST reply actions
Our D can NOT be as bad as they look right now.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 5:05 PM CST reply actions
Edit — we don’t need that kind of personal slam of one of our players —SRR50
by Randy Marsh on Dec 3, 2011 5:05 PM CST reply actions
I agree with Davey. Your IQ is probably high Scip, but your EQ needs a little work my friend.
by Art Vandelay on Dec 3, 2011 5:05 PM CST reply actions
That was on the QB. AND I never said they have to run the ball every play. The stupid ass penalties are forcing the game plan. A run was intended on the play n which Cochran jumped and made it a 3rd and long.
It’s the game management aspect of right before the end of the half in which I was addressing and it was clearly a fuck up and you know it.
by lonesome devil on Dec 3, 2011 5:06 PM CST reply actions
The difference between Ash and Case is apparently that Ash had the opportunity before today to get enough snaps to display for the whole world that he isn’t qualified to start at QB for Texas. This should just about stick a fork in Case. What next? Does Ash get to play now? Total meltdown for the entire team now.
by DeepEddy on Dec 3, 2011 5:06 PM CST reply actions
….and when Matt Millen is able to surgically identify your weaknesses,it’s a prettty bad sign.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 5:06 PM CST reply actions
are these penalties on the OL legit? i am in Africa and unable to stream the game. btw, yall pussies who say its over, fuck off, go be a fan somewhere else, we dont need you
by eloy on Dec 3, 2011 5:06 PM CST reply actions
Looks like we have no real QBs on campus. Of course we already knew that. And we can’t run either.
by Monahorns on Dec 3, 2011 5:06 PM CST reply actions
Yeah, the idea that that play call was anything other than completely braindead is laughable.
by RS on Dec 3, 2011 5:06 PM CST reply actions
Chick just won 100K in football throwing halftime contest at SEC game and is having emotional meltdown on national tv
Does she have any eligibility left?
by parlin on Dec 3, 2011 5:07 PM CST reply actions
Yeah, we don’t have any QBs.
The best plan in the offseason is to try to rehab Ash’s psyche.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 5:07 PM CST reply actions
We can’t defend any more either. I’m ready for the end of the year.
by Monahorns on Dec 3, 2011 5:07 PM CST reply actions
Well, at least this game will kill any notion that Case is a “heady” player. Our defense has gone into 2010 mode.
by A-Tex Devil on Dec 3, 2011 5:07 PM CST reply actions
Davey, you have a pretty thin skin for rebuttals.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 5:07 PM CST reply actions
Case looks terrible…as usual. He needs to get his head on straight and pay attention to his mechanics.
The defense has pretty much said screw it. They are playing zone again too and getting burned. I don’t even know if I can watch anymore. This is sad.
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 5:07 PM CST reply actions
It took a lot this year to make the defense quit. Starting McCoy and leaving him in when he clearly sucks seems to have done it.
by redfoot on Dec 3, 2011 5:07 PM CST reply actions
Our QB is in Arizona and our running backs are injured. I’m not shocked at our offense’s ineptitude.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 5:08 PM CST reply actions
Thanks, Toad. I will not repeat the argument for fear of the quality of my disagreement being laid bare.
by AKHorn on Dec 3, 2011 5:08 PM CST reply actions
D given up 38 with 18 mins left. Chew on that
Actually the D has given up 21, the offense gave them 17.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 5:09 PM CST reply actions
Our D stopped playing, I guess.
One of the biggest recruiting errors ever made by UT…turning down RGIII for GG…
Neither of our two QB’s are the future. But I root for them to succeed nonetheless. We, I guess, going into next year have to go to juco…
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 5:09 PM CST reply actions
^Make it 20. Though to be fair that was an actual drive.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 5:09 PM CST reply actions
Fuck rgiii. At this point let’s just fuck him over with the Heisman
by UT07 on Dec 3, 2011 5:10 PM CST reply actions
Scip, you realize that it can be on both, right?
Harsin is in prime position to know the weaknesses of his QB, and all of us know that Case can’t get the ball downfield. Calling plays that require him to is just an invitation for the defense to pick McCoy.
by redfoot on Dec 3, 2011 5:10 PM CST reply actions
Well, at least we held them to a FG. These OL penalties are creating the situations in which Case has to try to do things he cannot, leading to TOs. He is a very flawed QB, sure, and sticking him in 3rd and long is asking for it.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 5:10 PM CST reply actions
David Ash wil be the guy – as Case trots out onto the field
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 5:11 PM CST reply actions
D given up 38 with 18 mins left. Chew on that
Are you actually watching the game? And do you understand CONTEXT?
Case has 4 TOS and three of them ended up in UT territory.
by Texoz on Dec 3, 2011 5:11 PM CST reply actions
Ha! Steele explains how Ash is going to be the new player and is fired up about it as McCoy lead the offense onto the field.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 5:11 PM CST reply actions
Samantha Steele now reporting:
DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 5:11 PM CST reply actions
He can’t make that throw, I wish Harsin would realize this.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 5:13 PM CST reply actions
Scipio told us over and over for 9 months before the season began that HarsinWhite would fully utilize all the talents of all his players with all kinds of mind boggling packages and wizardry. What happened? Only Mack Brown knows for sure.
by Flash on Dec 3, 2011 5:13 PM CST reply actions
Did anyone hear anything specific about Brown? I expected him to play.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 5:13 PM CST reply actions
“Huh…no injuries and we got 9 wins”
easily, maybe 10
by Texoz on Dec 3, 2011 5:14 PM CST reply actions
Quick Outs & Case McCoy – Requiem for a Playcall
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 5:14 PM CST reply actions
If your optimism is based on a Arizona high school senior, then we got issues
by CD on Dec 3, 2011 5:15 PM CST reply actions
It’s unfair to pile on Case – everyone knows he aint the guy and never will be. The sad thing is, it appears our coaches don’t think anyone is better.
by Snide Aside on Dec 3, 2011 5:16 PM CST reply actions
The ball . . . takes . . . a . . . long . . . time . . . to . . . get . . . there.
by AKHorn on Dec 3, 2011 5:16 PM CST reply actions
Shot our defensive wad on Thanksgiving. But we are not out with a turnover or two.
by lonesome devil on Dec 3, 2011 5:16 PM CST reply actions
Flash said: December 3rd, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Scipio told us over and over for 9 months before the season began that HarsinWhite would fully utilize all the talents of all his players with all kinds of mind boggling packages and wizardry. What happened? Only Mack Brown knows for sure.
I don’t know. Why don’t you ask our three injured RBs, our injured #1 WR and the QB that was supposed to lead this team that left team after 2 games. You might find your answer there. Moron.
by Texoz on Dec 3, 2011 5:16 PM CST reply actions
@CD, I don’t know if you’re watching the same game that I am, but we’ve already got issues.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 5:16 PM CST reply actions
Pretty awesome highlight from the Cincy – Uconn game — Cincy DE just grabs the cocked back ball from the QB’s hand in the endzone for a defensive touchdown.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 5:16 PM CST reply actions
And, what is even sadder is there probably ISN’T anyone better.
by Snide Aside on Dec 3, 2011 5:17 PM CST reply actions
I can’t believe y’all are debating play calling. Its been spectacular, given the personnel. McCoy just doesn’t have an arm that can make all those throws, but they had to give him a shot. And Baylor has adjusted after he came out throwing.
I do agree that the last series before the half was aggressive, but they felt like they were moving the ball and the kid made one bad throw. It is NOT why we are getting beat.
The D has just mailed it in the whole game.
by Longhorn NY on Dec 3, 2011 5:17 PM CST reply actions
This Juco talk isn’t going to do much good. Assuming we get a transfer, he’s eligible to play, and he beats out sophomore Ash and junior Case. Is he going to be that much better?
The answer is the running game and health. Vince Young isn’t walking through that door, Colt McCoy isn’t walking through that door…and if they do they won’t have any eligibility left.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 5:17 PM CST reply actions
We have one QB that is a best a back up.
The other, a total badass…in High School.. with flashes of GG, apparently needs his “psyche rebuilt” for next year.
Both are on scholarship.
Hmmm…meanwhile the QB we didn’t want, with a team we have routinely beaten throughout history, is picking us apart.
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 5:17 PM CST reply actions
Great, we just hurt another RB. What’s next, stigmata?
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 5:18 PM CST reply actions
Toadvine -
Thank you for that. Now describe our passing offense in this game and what you’d seen from Baylor’s secondary up until that one play. And on the play itself, did you see an open receiver? And is it pretty clear that Case had his mind made up before the snap? That’s my point. The generalities aren’t doing it for me. I guess our contention is that Harsin should know at that specific moment – after seeing 11 of 17 for 237 – Case was going to go apeshit?
Am I crazy for calling that hindsight?
For those with hurt feelings…
You know, guys – with all due respect, I’m just disagreeing with you. I’m not your father or Moses from the mountain. The thin skins are odd.
Case’s play on the field is rendering all of our debate a moot point, anyway. Regression to the mean. It’s hard for Harsin to know when a kid is going to start his collapse.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 5:18 PM CST reply actions
At the moment, not only do we not have a QB on campus that can make plays, we don’t have a QB who can’t negatively impact the rest of the team through brain farts, gumby-esque agility (watching McCoy move in the pocket makes me think that it should be accompanied at all times by Bennie Hill music or maybe Wagner depending on my mood), and general suck.
Can McCoy actually throw a pass on schedule? If Gilbert had poor vision due to squinting, then McCoy must have god damn cataracts. Some chuckie is going to get on here and try to defend him with his first half performance. I would refute you by saying he has yet to throw a ball with anything other than a sidearm, but I do not have the patience. Instead I challenge you to an internet fight.
SO MUCH HATE! SO MUCH ANGER! This team has improved in all facets of the game except the one that completely dictates the team’s ability to remain competitive against decent teams. I hate ripping on players, but McCoy’s cocky smily after he kills a drive by grounding a screen into the dirt makes my blood pressure go to Mangino levels.
I hope Mack keeps him in all game so he can throw 7 picks and we never have to argue about McCoy’s potential again. It doesn’t exist, he maximized his physical ability at Graham high school.
by Rex Interneti on Dec 3, 2011 5:18 PM CST reply actions
Losing sucks, but I propose a friendly moratorium on personal attacks—both the players and the posters here.
by parlin on Dec 3, 2011 5:19 PM CST reply actions
The D has just mailed it in the whole game.
The D is playing the best offense they have seen all year.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 5:20 PM CST reply actions
@Scip
I think people are just pissed in general because of the way the game is going.
by bHero on Dec 3, 2011 5:20 PM CST reply actions
Texas: Doing less with more since 1998….hahahahahahaha
by Wow on Dec 3, 2011 5:20 PM CST reply actions
Ash’s best throw of the year and Goodwin boots it. Ugh.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 5:20 PM CST reply actions
The power of the #2 has worn off.
Nice fail Marquise.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 5:21 PM CST reply actions
Mack has succeeded in doing something at Texas that hasn’t been accomplished since 19-mothfucking-35
Consecutive losing seasons in conference. Congrats Mack, way to go you’re a hall of famer.
by maninblack on Dec 3, 2011 5:21 PM CST reply actions
CJ drops the ball. At least McCoy got the guy down. Doesn’t appear to be a fumble to me though…
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 5:23 PM CST reply actions
Is it 1978? I hear the Bee Gees and see Grant Teaff eating a worm.
by 53 Veer Pass on Dec 3, 2011 5:23 PM CST reply actions
@rawaustin agree and that ’s been obvious since the OU game
by CD on Dec 3, 2011 5:25 PM CST reply actions
Refs won’t overturn that. Not these idiots.
by Savage Henry on Dec 3, 2011 5:25 PM CST reply actions
Dixon’s (and his handler’s) price was too high.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 5:25 PM CST reply actions
Well, like you said, kind of a moot point now, but I had seen us effectively split their safeties twice, both times for long gains, once to Jaxon and once more to Goodwin. Then we had thrown some short passes, steady ones, for completions. Look, it just a time/field position/personnel thing and Harsin has been right more than wrong this year, at least in my opinion. Just not here.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 5:25 PM CST reply actions
Srrr50,
Ugh, what? Better than OSU and a healthy OU? Hey, they are good, no doubt. But I don’t know if they are 40 point good against our D on a different day.
by Longhorn NY on Dec 3, 2011 5:26 PM CST reply actions
I expect we’ll get a makeup holding call now.
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 5:26 PM CST reply actions
Hard to swallow that we have less overall talent than Baylor. Just, wow
by RS on Dec 3, 2011 5:26 PM CST reply actions
5 TOs = stupid loss.
I want to watch every one of these OL penalties. If we deserved them all then this was the single most needlessly destructive game our OL has ever played. Because Baylor sucks.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 5:26 PM CST reply actions
10 yards a play now, srr50. They are just flat, I don’t know how else to say it.
by Longhorn NY on Dec 3, 2011 5:28 PM CST reply actions
Never thought I could look at Baylor’s athletes across the board, and feel jealousy.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 5:28 PM CST reply actions
Not a fumble.
Parlin, I apologize for the personal attack on a player, but I have been burying a ton of frustration all season and the happy feet make me vomit.
Referring back to the internet hissy fit that got some panties in a wad around halftime regarding the playcall and the ensuing interception, the route was a simple Smash combo route, which is probably the simplest read a QB can make. You read ONE man. The CB bails, you hit the hitch, he sticks, you hit Shipley for 25. I know eighth graders that never screw that play up.
I still want to fight everyone!
by Rex Interneti on Dec 3, 2011 5:28 PM CST reply actions
RGIII is the best offensive player we have seen this year. Wright is a stud too. If they had a defense that was even average they would be beasting.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 5:29 PM CST reply actions
6-6. Glad to see improvement over that 5-7 abomination.
by Roy Hobbs on Dec 3, 2011 5:29 PM CST reply actions
RS: There is no way that’s true. But poor or excellent performance at QB covers for a lot.
OU has a more talented defense than OSU but the latter has good safeties and they will roll over the Sooners later.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 5:29 PM CST reply actions
Ugh, what? Better than OSU and a healthy OU? Hey, they are good, no doubt. But I don’t know if they are 40 point good against our D on a different day.
Hell yes, especially at home. They have big play weapons at RB and WR and RGIII is the difference.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 5:30 PM CST reply actions
Just don’t give up fucking 50+ for the 2nd time this year, the 4th time in Mack’s career, and the 12th time in our history.
by JMR on Dec 3, 2011 5:30 PM CST reply actions
I am so fucking happy I didn’t go to this game. One of the worst Defenses in the nation has lit us up like a fucking pinball machine.
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 5:30 PM CST reply actions
Baylor has a badass offense with a badass QB. RGIII is just taking what’s there — late developing crossing patters across the middle then . . . BOOM.
by AKHorn on Dec 3, 2011 5:30 PM CST reply actions
I think OSU and OU actually have better weapons and OL’s than Baylor, though by a far smaller margin than normal, but dual-threat QB is the difference.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 5:31 PM CST reply actions
just saw HORRIBLE holding call not called on that TD throw by RGIII
by Texoz on Dec 3, 2011 5:31 PM CST reply actions
Those job offers should be getting less and less for Manny.
by Savage Henry on Dec 3, 2011 5:31 PM CST reply actions
watch the left side of the line and tell me that’s not holding.
by Texoz on Dec 3, 2011 5:32 PM CST reply actions
We run zone, and get walked down the field, we run man and get gutted over the top.
by bHero on Dec 3, 2011 5:32 PM CST reply actions
Complete implosion of our team. Very poor officiating. Lack of skills QB in the whole game making dumb mistakes. Defense that has all but given up. Are we still in 2010 Baylor game??? never saw this crap coming.
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 5:32 PM CST reply actions
Perfect throw by RGIII. The guy is just sick.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 5:32 PM CST reply actions
Ass kicking from Baylor, yeah they are much improved…..but just think about that for a moment
by CD on Dec 3, 2011 5:33 PM CST reply actions
The Texans need to call RGIII yesterday! As a fervent Papist, there is nothing I hate more than losing to the Baptists.
On another note, with the return of “Planet of the Apes” movies and the Spider-Man Musical, I feel we are gradually moving towards the realization of my dreams since 4th grade, the Planet of the Apes Musical. Too bad Phil Hartman’s cokehead wife had to ruin the casting potential.
by Rex Interneti on Dec 3, 2011 5:34 PM CST reply actions
Nickel -
I totally agree. Griffin is the best college QB in the country. Not even close, IMO. Some other guys project more cleanly to the NFL, obviously, but this ain’t the NFL.
Give Baylor an average defense and they’re last years Auburn.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 5:34 PM CST reply actions
Question – would RG III at Texas have camouflaged the rot? Or cured the rot?
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 5:34 PM CST reply actions
I’m caring less about which coach stays or goes.
by RenoHorn on Dec 3, 2011 5:34 PM CST reply actions
Chicago — ya, we could have used him. But he’s a traitor, and the kind who would gloat about it, so screw him.
by slaw on Dec 3, 2011 5:34 PM CST reply actions
Baylor’s offense is very good and our offense is not even merely below average. There’s your difference.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 5:34 PM CST reply actions
This game turned into a perfect storm of Case over-hype, defense overhype and a ton of bone- headed penalties. we can make excuses all day….. I’ll settle for just one more score to save some face.
by bHero on Dec 3, 2011 5:35 PM CST reply actions
Ucla fans now booing their team. Horns by 9 with 1:40 left
by RS on Dec 3, 2011 5:35 PM CST reply actions
Well srr50, if you say so. But so what. So now they just drove down 90 yards or so in about 3 minutes, I think its kinda hard to say our D isn’t majorly sucking tonight.
Unless you are saying that because their O is so good you totally expected that they would score at least 4 legitimate full field drive TDs on us.
I think the D has played pretty well most of the season, but not tonight.
by Longhorn NY on Dec 3, 2011 5:35 PM CST reply actions
Basketball:
J’Covan has 22. Kabongo has 8 assists. Texas up by 11 at UCLA.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 5:36 PM CST reply actions
RG3 won’t win the heisman, which further tarnishes the meaning of that award.
by Savage Henry on Dec 3, 2011 5:37 PM CST reply actions
Normally, I would try and look at positives to build on from today…but mostly, I just covet their QB. How in the holy fucking hell does baylor get that guy and we turn him down? Fuck.
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 5:37 PM CST reply actions
Wow, hey American Telephone and Telegraph co – thanks for that random interlude of Mark May lending insight into how Ryan Tannehill throwing badly into double coverage is a pick from the meaningless OU-A&M game last month.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 5:37 PM CST reply actions
Diaz just make RG3 look giant better than Cam Newton.
by Flash on Dec 3, 2011 5:39 PM CST reply actions
I would rather lose with Ash than lose with MCCoy next year. Which is basically how i felt this year. But that’s just me. All pessimism aside, make a play for Katz or Crist in the offseason, let ten compete and unless he is CLEARLY the answer, redshirt Brewer. Just my opinion.
by A-Tex Devil on Dec 3, 2011 5:39 PM CST reply actions
Scipio Tex said: December 3rd, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Basketball:
J’Covan has 22. Kabongo has 8 assists. Texas up by 11 at UCLA.
lol thx for that
by maninblack on Dec 3, 2011 5:39 PM CST reply actions
Lord, that throw was just horrid, again missing a receiver who was loose.
by redfoot on Dec 3, 2011 5:39 PM CST reply actions
@Toadvine
Absolutely bad throw…. but the effort was horrendous….
by bHero on Dec 3, 2011 5:40 PM CST reply actions
We are reaping what Mack’s laziness in recruiting has sown. We are a mediocre team, getting blown out by our biggest rival and now by Baylor. We can beat Rice and BYU though. I don’t think we should recruit just two qb’s. We should bring in about 5 and then have an open tryout on campus. Ash and McCoy are not the answer, and will never be the answer.
by RS on Dec 3, 2011 5:40 PM CST reply actions
Nice to see Mike Davis actually trying, today. Either that or he’s just able to play well against a shitty secondary.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 5:41 PM CST reply actions
I have fervently defended Mack in the past…..I can’t do it anymore
by CD on Dec 3, 2011 5:41 PM CST reply actions
This is all you can expect from Case. It works against one of the worst defenses in the country while it’s running a prevent. Only just.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 5:41 PM CST reply actions
For the long-term health of the program. it’s a god send that our staff saw RGIII as a safety. Actually, it would have probably had no effect as even if he stayed at WB, we would have encouraged him to gain 40Lbs and change his throwing motion “Robert, your ability to hit receivers in stride is going to be a problem here. You see, we don’t encourage giving our playmakers the ball in space at pace. Too much chaos, It’s better that everyone have their heels on the grounds when they receive the ball.”
by Rex Interneti on Dec 3, 2011 5:41 PM CST reply actions
Baylor’s DB’s have left about 4-5 pick 6’s on the out pattern on the table.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 5:42 PM CST reply actions
Even the announcers are commenting about the throws…
by bHero on Dec 3, 2011 5:42 PM CST reply actions
These guys are morons re: rg3 vs luck. It’s not an nfl award morons.
by Savage Henry on Dec 3, 2011 5:42 PM CST reply actions
Hey- helmet to helmet? No? Thanks a bunch guys.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 5:43 PM CST reply actions
I’m not surprised that they didn’t throw a flag.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 5:43 PM CST reply actions
announcer, “I’m surprised they didn’t throw a flag on Dixon (for head to head blow on Shipley).”
I’m not.
by Texoz on Dec 3, 2011 5:44 PM CST reply actions
Well srr50, if you say so. But so what. So now they just drove down 90 yards or so in about 3 minutes, I think its kinda hard to say our D isn’t majorly sucking tonight.
I am proud of this site, the posters are a cut above from most, but shit, on gameday we just turn into the average foaming-at-the-mouth poster. Yes our defense did not play as well as in the past this year, but we are like every other fan base in that we refuse to give opposing players any kind of credit.
We have a hole at safety. Baylor was smart enough to see it and had a brilliant QB along with first class receivers who could take advantage of it.
As for Manny’s (supposed) job offers taking a hit becuase of today, that is ridiculous. It is the body of work, and the fact that we didn/couldn’t put pressure on the best dual threat QB in the country won’t stop other programs from taking a look at Manny.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 5:44 PM CST reply actions
Savage -
Matt Millen is an elite talent evaluator. His 0-16 Lions are proof of that.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 5:44 PM CST reply actions
That’s targetting or helmet-to-helmet in some games. Whatever.
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 5:45 PM CST reply actions
@ Savage Henry, They’re morons about more things than just awards…
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 5:45 PM CST reply actions
Positives:
(a) Case, welcome to reality. He has been given what he was pouting for – his chance – and hopefully now he has a better understanding of what he really brings to the program. Perhaps he won’t transfer and will be content to play backup at a great program, go to some bowl games, get a degree from a good school, and enjoy an awesome city and some sweet athletic facilities.
(b) Diaz will no longer be seen as Mighty Zeus of Mount Defense, throwing his thunderbolts with impunity. Instead, he is merely Hephaestus, strong and mighty but more of a craftsman than supreme deity. Perhaps his stock goes down a bit? Maybe? (Please?)
© My little sister, who is a Baylor alum, is actually being pretty cool about this so far. We’ll see if that holds up over Christmas when our family gets together.
by Jabba T. Hug on Dec 3, 2011 5:45 PM CST reply actions
Cam Newton to RGIII is a tough comparison but I’d probably take RGIII for his downfield passing which provides a slight advantage over the fact that a QB that can run Power makes you unstoppable in short yardage.
Vince Young is the golden standard. Arm, speed, and power. We may never see another like him. He could have run the belldozer package if it had been implemented by another school that Davis had visited but whatever, we didn’t need it.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 5:45 PM CST reply actions
Targeting is only called on slow white safeties where you could watch their thought process and then take a mental picture of the subsequent hit. Dixon is too athletic and moves too quickly for the ump to make that call.
by Rex Interneti on Dec 3, 2011 5:45 PM CST reply actions
Everybody but Mike D still playing hard. Love Hills’ effort.
by BillyParham on Dec 3, 2011 5:45 PM CST reply actions
I don’t think that there was any more fitting way for this game to end. But I delude myself. Because Baylor is going to come out and go for another touchdown.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 5:46 PM CST reply actions
I’m packing my bags for the Allsup’s Burrito Bowl @ Shotwell Stadium.
by bHero on Dec 3, 2011 5:47 PM CST reply actions
I was actually rooting for the Baylor Gideon on that play.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 5:47 PM CST reply actions
MANIACAL LAUGHTER, MANIACAL LAUGHTER!
RG III better watch it, there ain’t no dancin’ in Waco. Want to dance? Keep driving!
by Rex Interneti on Dec 3, 2011 5:47 PM CST reply actions
God, we are making that dude look like a football player. Riddle me this: Ash cannot get a snap when Colt sucks but Colt plays when Ash does?
I cannot remember as dire a QB situation as this. But hell, this was one embarrassing and undisciplined OL display too.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 5:47 PM CST reply actions
Mack will blame this loss on the defense not getting enough TOs.
by Texoz on Dec 3, 2011 5:47 PM CST reply actions
No, the defense sucked today. Overall, Diaz earned his money this year but we got outcoached and outplayed today.
by RS on Dec 3, 2011 5:47 PM CST reply actions
Manny Diaz’s reputation and chances at getting hired somewhere were already burned when his defense didn’t play lights out against Arkansas last year. So, no worries.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 5:47 PM CST reply actions
Ok honest question:
If you’re Deloss Dodds and you meet with Mack Brown after this season what do you do?
by maninblack on Dec 3, 2011 5:47 PM CST reply actions
hopefully case throws a couple more so he won’t ever play again
by wtf242 on Dec 3, 2011 5:48 PM CST reply actions
Really don’t think we should count out Ash. In the system he was running — i.e. with an actual running game — he was developing into a serviceable QB. The injuries sabotaged that. Case ain’t the answer so (another INT as I post) so . . .
With a healthy backfield next year, Ash could be the placeholder.
by AKHorn on Dec 3, 2011 5:48 PM CST reply actions
Really cute to see all the small dicks doing the horns down. Given how seldom they win, and the insignificant little school they attend, this has to be a major moment of definition in their puny little lives!
by ut1978 on Dec 3, 2011 5:48 PM CST reply actions
He could have taken that to the house. God damn it Robert! Don’t make me like you!
by Rex Interneti on Dec 3, 2011 5:49 PM CST reply actions
Briles is stupid at this point. If RGIII runs, then he is stupid.
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 5:49 PM CST reply actions
On the bright side, Aggies are watching this and it’s killing them even more that they lost to this? team.
by Texoz on Dec 3, 2011 5:50 PM CST reply actions
Up till now, Case has been throwing against Zero Coverage and loaded boxes. Baylor plays 2 deep all the time and they don’t care if you gash them in the running game.
Inaccurate QB’s who make poor reads and stare down targets throw picks against 2-deep coverage. Hence, your flood of interceptions.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 5:50 PM CST reply actions
Nickel, you are absolutely right. The only luck he had were on very short throws and two seam routes.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 5:51 PM CST reply actions
Goddammit…buy, steal, clone, borrow, imaginate another QUARTERBACK from some the hell f’n place, MACK!
Put out a last-minute press for Matt Davis????
He sure beats the hell out of what we have. I’ve never seen UT have such pathetic QBs. NEVER.
To hell with redshirting Brewer…if Mack does that , he is f’n insane. Change gears and give it a stab, staff…or next year is suckage as well. Screw the bowl game.
by Spaceghost on Dec 3, 2011 5:52 PM CST reply actions
3 second half points against 113rd ranked D.
by Savage Henry on Dec 3, 2011 5:52 PM CST reply actions
Toadvine,
I firmly believe Mack is letting Case finish the game to shut up the Case apologists once and for all, so we can focus on making Ash into an actual QB during bowl workouts, etc. No splitting reps, no packages. We are going to put all our cards in one basket once again, so everybody better get on board the Ash train because there aren’t any other options. (Yes, I see you Brewer conspiracists plotting over there with your coloring books, shut up.)
As to the Deloss question, he sits Mack down and says “thanks for making me insanely rich, that was really cool of you.”
by Rex Interneti on Dec 3, 2011 5:53 PM CST reply actions
Whoever mentioned Mossakowski as a potential target for transfer had a great idea. He was damn good in HS.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 5:53 PM CST reply actions
Not that it matters, but I think Garrett GIlbert would have had a chance of tore’d upping Baylor’s D in that game. Case actually almost did it until he became a TO machine.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 5:53 PM CST reply actions
Heisman = crap award ever since they denied VY. But still, if anyone deserves it, for ability, character, mental intelligence (already has a masters degree), plays on a historically shitty team, turned down by Texas for no apparent reason other than we were smoking crack when evaluating QB talent, RGIII deserves it. He won’t win, hence, the award = crap.
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 5:53 PM CST reply actions
You people praising rgiii need to remember he was talking shit about Texas the whole week and has been throwing the hook em down all game long.
by UT07 on Dec 3, 2011 5:54 PM CST reply actions
I pretty much kept my cool throughout last season’s meltdown and during the offseason I bought into the idea that our program had learned from its mistakes and they would do what it took to get the ship turned around. I entered this season with very modest expectations, hoping to see improvement as the year went on, and full effort in every game, as opposed to last year when we clearly gave up both within games and over the course of the season.
I don’t think it is too early to start thinking about post-mortem analysis of another disappointing season. I don’t think anything can happen in the bowl game that would change very much. I am an optimist by nature, but I think there is way too much sunshine given our current reality. This is a terrible football team, and at this point it is bordering on being a terrible program overall. We are in the middle of several reinforcing vicious cycles. Everybody talks about the QB position, but we have the exact same problem at other positions. We engage in what-if scenarios about winning 9 or 10 games if our offense stays healthy, but this is fucking football, you will never keep the whole team healthy. We could just as easily talk about scenarios where we don’t get the last-minute scramble from Case, or eek out a win at home against a very mediocre BYU team, and we are 5 and 7. Where is the improvement?
I know that you can’t expect everything to turn around immediately, and that our program had sunk to a much lower level than some of us wanted to admit. I also feel like our team has not quit at any point this season, and their attitude seems much better. But, we still really fucking suck as a football team. We are in the middle of getting blown out by Baylor. We suffered one of our worst losses ever to a good, but not great, OU team. Most of the time our offense looks every bit as helpless as last year’s team.
I also feel a lot of sunshine around this site about our new coaches. Sometimes I feel like there is something there, but I just can’t buy in at this point. Maybe time will prove me wrong, but for the first time I am completely convinced that Mack Brown’s days as the coach of a successful program are over. I find myself really seeing the genius of Sick Boy’s theory from the movie Trainspotting:
Sick Boy: It’s certainly a phenomenon in all walks of life.
Renton: What do you mean?
Sick Boy: Well, at one time, you’ve got it, and then you lose it, and it’s gone forever. All walks of life: George Best, for example. Had it, lost it. Or David Bowie, or Lou Reed.
Renton: Lou Reed, some of his solo stuff’s not bad.
Sick Boy: No, it’s not bad. But it’s not great either, is it? And in your heart you kind of know that although it sounds all right, it’s actually just…shite.
Renton: So who else?
Sick Boy: Charlie Nicholas, David Niven, Malcolm McLaren, Elvis Presley…
Renton: OK, OK, so what’s the point you’re trying to make?
Sick Boy: All I’m trying to do, Mark, is help you understand that The Name of the Rose is merely a blip on an otherwise uninterrupted downward trajectory.
Renton: What about The Untouchables?
Sick Boy: I don’t rate that at all.
Renton: Despite the Academy Award?
Sick Boy: That means fuck all. It’s a sympathy vote.
Renton: Right. So we all get old and then we can’t hack it anymore. Is that it?
Sick Boy: Yeah.
Sorry for rambling on so long, when I guess I could have summarized my point with a few simple words: Stick a fork in Mack, he’s done.
by DeepEddy on Dec 3, 2011 5:54 PM CST reply actions
Rex -
I totally agree.
UT07 -
RGIII wanted to be a Longhorn. We shrugged. I don’t blame him.
raw -
Mossakowski couldn’t win the job at UK and their QB is awful. Not sure if he’s the answer.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 5:57 PM CST reply actions
The awkward pause on the Domino’s cheesy bread commercial was pure lulz!
by Rex Interneti on Dec 3, 2011 5:57 PM CST reply actions
Hey everyone, what was one of the major problems that got us here? What’s that? Yes, player development on offense.
Our best bet at having solid QB play next season is developing Ash. We sound like Aggies discussing coaching hires when we want to just throw another player at the problem and hope that works.
It takes time to develop good quarterbacks. The position is responsible for vast amounts of information and mistakes there can burn the whole team.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 5:58 PM CST reply actions
Jabba said: “(a) Case, welcome to reality. He has been given what he was pouting for – his chance – and hopefully now he has a better understanding of what he really brings to the program. Perhaps he won’t transfer and will be content to play backup at a great program, go to some bowl games, get a degree from a good school, and enjoy an awesome city and some sweet athletic facilities.”
This, this, a million times this. Rex is on the right track too.
by A-Tex Devil on Dec 3, 2011 5:58 PM CST reply actions
Rex, my coloring book has pictures of Matthew Stafford, Peyton Manning, John Elway, and several other guys who started as true freshman in college.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 5:59 PM CST reply actions
Mack may not be the guy of the future but he needs to stick around long enough to see ALL the LOI from this recruiting class. Then he can go if he wants to.
by UT07 on Dec 3, 2011 5:59 PM CST reply actions
You people praising rgiii need to remember he was talking shit about Texas the whole week and has been throwing the hook em down all game long.
I saw several Baylor players throw the hook em down, but RGIII wasn’t one of them.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 6:00 PM CST reply actions
Nickel -
Agreed. If there’s any blessing in this game, it’s that the Case faction has more or less had its legs cut out from under it. That doesn’t mean Ash is the answer, but a mental rehab happens more often than a guy growing three inches, gaining 20 pounds, and developing a strong arm between his soph and junior years.
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 6:00 PM CST reply actions
Well, lets see…
we had more first downs
more total yards
More time of possession
annnnnd oh yeh …we had more penalties. With more turnovers.
But hey, it could be worst. Georgia has 3 times the first downs and yardage but is losing.
go figure.
Hook’Em boys!
by jet on Dec 3, 2011 6:01 PM CST reply actions
The reality is for all that Mack has accomplished, he would have been gone 5 years ago if VY never shows up in campus
by CD on Dec 3, 2011 6:02 PM CST reply actions
srr50 – “Texas has lost its luster” Was that not him either??
by UT07 on Dec 3, 2011 6:02 PM CST reply actions
It took Mack more than 2 years of laziness to ruin the program. It will take more than two years to fix it. I hope we aren’t becoming Michigan, Fsu, Miami, etc. It’s hard to get to the top and you can’t go on a complete vacation when you get there, as Mack did.
by RS on Dec 3, 2011 6:02 PM CST reply actions
Case faction had its legs cut out from under it? I’d say the entire program … coaches, players and fans are without legs at this point.
by RenoHorn on Dec 3, 2011 6:03 PM CST reply actions
Robert Griffin talked shit about Texas D all week – and then backed it up and put up 14 points in about 2 minutes, as he is the best QB in the land. U mad?
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 6:03 PM CST reply actions
Looks like there is a lot of work left to make this a successful program again. I love Mack. But if he doesn’t have the energy to do it then we need to “let” him retire and get someone in there that is going to work his butt off to get back on top.
by Monahorns on Dec 3, 2011 6:04 PM CST reply actions
UT07 -
We’re 12-12 over the last two years. That’s lustrous?
by Scipio Tex on Dec 3, 2011 6:05 PM CST reply actions
The real question this week: Is Nikki team Case or team Ash now???
by UT07 on Dec 3, 2011 6:05 PM CST reply actions
Rawaustin, I like your style, but I would advise you to refer to my earlier posts. I will internet-fight your ass into the ground so watch yo’ face.
If you can guarantee me that Brewer is one of either HP frat-star, Fetushead or Horseface, I will 100% endorse him starting. But my massive gut from drinking 100 beers and nailing 50 hot chicks today tells me that he isn’t so I would rather push our chips over into the Ash corner.
New Year’s Eve is to 2011’s Christmas Movie Season what Whitney was to the Fall NBC schedule, PURE GOLD!
by Rex Interneti on Dec 3, 2011 6:05 PM CST reply actions
Dayne Crist. Take a flyer on this great athlete. Our quarterbacks fucking suck. It will be glorious day when I can turn on the tv and not be subjected to watch both Gideon and McCoy.
The performance today was horrendous. Hey but we were close to being a 10 win season as someone pointed out last week! We will continue to pay for sins of our laziness. It’s pathetic that Mack can cash his checks with a straight face.
by Groundhog Day on Dec 3, 2011 6:06 PM CST reply actions
Good thing I have an 11-month-old daughter to amaze and delight me—she’s been distracting me throughout this game, otherwise I would be a lot more pissed.
I really hope Mack is done—soon. Our miserable QB situation is his making. I no longer trust his ability to evaluate talent at that position, so I am not putting a lot of hope in Connor Brewer. Every career has a downward arc, and I think Mack is on his.
Our defense got a very inflated reputation largely because it stands out in an offense-first conference, we had about 3 really good defensive games (KU, MU, KSU), and they were instrumental in turning the tide against our soon-to-be-former archrival (which has plenty of issues of its own). But against three really good offenses (OU, OSU, and now Baylor), they have proven to be nothing special.
I do hope we can retain the current coordinators—after one year I won’t render judgment, and certainly they haven’t been dealt the best hands (injuries on offense, a secondary that is very young in some spots and just pretty lousy in others).
But I really hate to see us, for all intents and purposes, falling behind programs like OSU and Baylor (and forget about OU; we ain’t at that level). We are making a lot of mistakes in evaluating and recruiting talent, and I am not so sure about development. Like I said, jury is still out on a lot of the new hires. But the CEO of the operation is slipping. If Texas football is really at heart a business, then it’s time to give that CEO a golden parachute and bring in some new blood at the top.
Just my two cents (though I’m thinking about charging $9.95 for it).
by spit and tears on Dec 3, 2011 6:07 PM CST reply actions
Wow now, Scip. I never said he wasn’t making sense. I merely said that perhaps we shouldn’t be all over his junk if he’s talking smack about us.
by UT07 on Dec 3, 2011 6:07 PM CST reply actions
How much of a game changer is it that Baylor has gone to the dark side in being willing to play the street agent game? Briles will do whatever it takes to get ahead, even sleep with the devil. RGIII will be gone next year, but Baylor will persist as a nuisance that’s won’t feel the need to play by the rules.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 6:08 PM CST reply actions
We weren’t praising OU when they beat our asses. Just because this is Baylor, who we’re used to pistol whipping, doesn’t mean that we should show affection for their QB who has made it known he does not like us.
by UT07 on Dec 3, 2011 6:09 PM CST reply actions
With a healthy Bergeron and Brown we are a different team. The OL sucks, still. Jaxon wil be healthy next year, but we need more from the WRs. We have no TE. We have no QB. Is the rebuilding working? I don’t know.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 6:10 PM CST reply actions
Texas Teams:
1. Baylor
2. Houston
3. TCU
4. Texas
Thanks Mack!
by RS on Dec 3, 2011 6:11 PM CST reply actions
Why is it that after every loss this year the program is a disaster and after every win we are full of unbridled optimism. A shitload of you guys need I take your bipolar meds. This place turns into Texags on game days. QB situation sucks. Yes. Hopefully we all know Case is a backup. Hopefully Ash is more Carson Palmer, or, hell, even Jarrett Lee, than he is Garrett Gilbert.
The bowl practices and bowl game should be telling. All I know after watching our QBs this year is Case isn’t good enough and Ash wasn’t ready, IMO.. I will back Ash until he gets full on Garrett Gilbert offseason reps and fails.
by A-Tex Devil on Dec 3, 2011 6:11 PM CST reply actions
I get the catharsis people need after a loss like that, me too… but these over-reactions are more entertaining than therapy.
by bHero on Dec 3, 2011 6:12 PM CST reply actions
A little late Scipio but I’m with you on the play call at the end of the first half. I can’t even imagine what would be said if Harsin had called a draw and punted to RG3 with a minute left and 2 timeouts rather than going for the first down against a defense that had given up over 200 yards in the 2nd quarter alone.
by Diego on Dec 3, 2011 6:12 PM CST reply actions
RS. I watched houston about 6 times this year unfortunately. We would beat Houston more times than not.
by A-Tex Devil on Dec 3, 2011 6:12 PM CST reply actions
Has the Honey Badger made frosted tips cool?
I love the doom-and-gloom posts about the program losing its luster. We had a net gain of 2 victories y/y. At this rate we will be 15-(3) by 2015. Think about that gentlemen, think about that!
by Rex Interneti on Dec 3, 2011 6:13 PM CST reply actions
The regular season is over. Seven wins, a two win improvement.
Next year has non-con games with Wyoming, New Mexico, and Ol Miss.
The teams that chewed on us this year were OU, OSU, and BU. They will all loose quality personnel, including three of the best QB’s in the nation.
by goldenbohls on Dec 3, 2011 6:14 PM CST reply actions
Most of y’all are falling for the red herring QB debate. The poor QB play is merely a symptom of the bigger disease that’s killing us — Mack Brown’s lazy, tired, sleepy, low T, -ness.
by Zzzizzzy on Dec 3, 2011 6:14 PM CST reply actions
Rex, given your prolific epicurean and coital exploits today, I won’t guarantee anything. Especially about a wannabe Tebow clone who’s not even faced the gauntlet of a Texas high school football season. But I will guarantee that he’s better than Case McCoy. I think that Ash could be a decent game manager provided that he has someone else to do the thinking for him like Fozzy did until he got hurt on Mizzou’s overgrown thicket. So who takes the Fozzy role next year? Is it too much to hope that Gray is up to the task?
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 6:15 PM CST reply actions
Player development was a big problem, but so was talent evaluation. How often do QBs as awful as these two evolve into playmakers in later years? We should go JUCO. But our stubborn HC won’t even consider it, which is another reason he should get his burned-out, 5-million-dollar ass the fuck out of here.
by JMR on Dec 3, 2011 6:16 PM CST reply actions
I am pretty sure that Jaxon Shipley is the answer at QB. the stats don’t lie.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 6:16 PM CST reply actions
Mack is done. I see no redeeming qualities. Pathetic showing today against Baylor. Unnacptable on all levels.
by Mysterious Package on Dec 3, 2011 6:16 PM CST reply actions
Gah. Outcome was foreordained. Maybe not the doubling up and Case and the Baylor d teased us a bit, making it harder to swallow. I am disappoint in the losing conference record.
Meh. I dunno what to think anymore. Has a coach ever fucked himself as hard as Mack?
by 2xHorn on Dec 3, 2011 6:17 PM CST reply actions
Yeah, I know the truth hurts. I try to stay pretty even keeled about our mediocre team. However, when someone doesn’t want to be my friend I’m not going to make a fool of myself by insisting they play with me.
by UT07 on Dec 3, 2011 6:18 PM CST reply actions
We as a fan base don’t take losses well. I like that. But let’s not be aggies about it. Let’s understand where we are and what we need to do to get where we need to be, but stop reliving the past. RGIII won this game. Manny Diaz is still a great coach, but RGIII is just unstoppable. The only way to beat Baylor is to have a high-powered offense and win a shootout. There’s no magical defense that is going to shut down Baylor’s offense.
As to our offense, the injuries and the QB play have been killer. We get Johnathan Gray next year and we have two chances at getting improved QB play: Brewer and mental improvement in Ash’s mental game.
I won’t gloat over the people who wanted to anoint Case while jumping all over the Ash supporters and telling them to go screw themselves getting a dose of reality.
by burntorangejuice on Dec 3, 2011 6:19 PM CST reply actions
Ladies and gentlemen… the word of the day is coital. Adjective form of coitus.
co·i·tus (k-ts, k—)
n.
Sexual union between a male and a female involving insertion of the penis into the vagina.
by bHero on Dec 3, 2011 6:19 PM CST reply actions
The two positives coming out of the Baylor beat down:
Case closed
Gideon gone
by AKHorn on Dec 3, 2011 6:20 PM CST reply actions
It’s worth taking a shot at Crist. I have no idea of he would even be interested and he was benched or a reason, but anything to allow us to get out of this vicious cycle of destroying our QBs before they even have a chance (and I am guilty of that with Case) is a-ok with me. I would really love for Brewer to redshirt next year unless he is CLEARLY the second coming of Kellen Moore.
by A-Tex Devil on Dec 3, 2011 6:21 PM CST reply actions
JMR: Talents like Ash develop into stars later all the time.
Acho couldn’t touch the field as a freshman and is possibly an All-American now and QB is a lot harder than linebacker. Is this really a debate? I can’t believe how many people seem to think you can write off freshman QB’s. Do you have even a modicum of knowledge about the history of the game?
Again, what JUCO is going to come here, be eligible to play in time, and be good enough to make a difference? Maybe people around here wouldn’t get so down after losses if they didn’t put their hope in such uncertain things.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 6:21 PM CST reply actions
Take my analysis with a grain of salt, but to me it looks like Case doesnt grip the ball properly. It looks like he palms the ball and pushes it as opposed to gripping it and snapping his wrist. Because he palms the ball and needs the greatest amount of surface area contact with the ball for grip, he releases the ball sort of sideways and has that side-arm motion elbow-snap to make up for the lack of a powerful wrist snap (hard to snap your wrist when you dont have a good hold on the ball). That would explain why his throws have a weird trajectory and flight path, and it would also explain why his arm looks so weak. It would explain why it doesnt seem to matter whether he has his feet under him or not, and explain why coaches are working on mechanics with him at this stage of his career.
Maybe I’m way off, but that is what it looks like to me. Its hard to believe this kid had the same coaching growing up as Colt did. Either way I hope this game is evidence enough to look elsewhere and keep his dad quiet.
Case made some completions and put up yards, the 3 TDs in the 1st half were nice, but every turnover just looked absolutely putrid. Case putting up those numbers vs. BU begs the question “What would an average college football QB have done?”.
by MaxATX on Dec 3, 2011 6:22 PM CST reply actions
bHero, the readership may need you to explain epicurean, but given how often we use the word “fuck” on here, it’s obvious that we fully appreciate all things coital, post-coital, etc.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 6:23 PM CST reply actions
“Case isn’t good enough and Ash wasn’t ready,…”
I believe the coaches knew this back in August. And I believe they thought they could get the serviceable QB play from Gilbert (which is no stretch of the imagination…he should have been man enough to hang tough, though the shoulder injury and quick transfer was a great coincidence).
Ash should be repairable, and should be given a chance to win an open QB competition between now and the bowl game. He already won the job once, and I am sure that he will win it again. If Case legitimately wins the competition, then our hope for next year is lost, and I hope Mack sets sail after the bowl game.
Hook ’em!
by uthookem on Dec 3, 2011 6:23 PM CST reply actions
Okay, who am I?
“F—-ing fire HC, AD, OC and DC. When you F—-ing recruit like we do you have to win every game single game by 2 TDs. This is unaccepable. Our QBs sucks… blah blah blah life’s not fair”
Yeah, that’s not the TexAgs.. .that’s half of you fools in here.
by bHero on Dec 3, 2011 6:25 PM CST reply actions
TexAgs is way funnier. No one has mentioned how badly we lost halftime yet.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 6:26 PM CST reply actions
UT07,
Will root for both. Not on either team. I go to church with McCoy’s family but that doesn’t mean I think he is the answer. I am concerned about Ash merely because of GG and the whole RGIII thing. Our O-line coach also goes to my church and another member of the coaching staff. I ocassionally will see Colt in church when he is in town. He was there a bunch this summer during “Camp McCoy” for the Browns.
I just worry about what we were evaluating at QB. I don’t know.
But tonite I can’t possibly figure out to jump around naked in the formation of “Texas just got beat by Baylor two years in a row with a QB that we should have picked if we were not high on full retard when picking QB’s” dance. I will pass. I save the good stuff for strip poker.
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 6:27 PM CST reply actions
2-5 after 4-0 start puts another bad taste in my mouth. Don’t think a bowl win over Utah would change that.
by Savage Henry on Dec 3, 2011 6:28 PM CST reply actions
Eight wins is still a possibility this season, especially because we’ll be going to a bowl game where the QB is not named RGIII or Weeden.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 6:28 PM CST reply actions
The OL sucks, still
Toadivine – I thought they played pretty well today – good job opening holes for the run (which the B&B music factory would have run through), and a lot of good clean pockets for Case to showcase his absolute lack of magic.
The only issue was the holdings, insofar as today’s crew decided to atone for the sins of 2008 by calling eleventybillion penalties, most of them on the orange.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 6:29 PM CST reply actions
Yeah, well, the holding and false starts kind of negated whatever good they did, as they contributed in no small part to the 3rd and longs that resulted in INTs. so I cannot say I was happy with what they kind of did against a shitty Baylor defense.
by Toadvine on Dec 3, 2011 6:31 PM CST reply actions
We beat one team with a winning record this year( BYU by 1 point at home).
Essentially won the games we should have and lost the games we probably should have considering the rebuilding and no QB.
by lonesome devil on Dec 3, 2011 6:31 PM CST reply actions
I will say that with the QB play at the level we have now with a healthy Joe, Brown, and J Grey running the wildcat, we can count on at least 2 more wins.
by UT07 on Dec 3, 2011 6:31 PM CST reply actions
2-5 after 4-0 start puts another bad taste in my mouth. Don’t think a bowl win over Utah would change that.
O RLY?
…..wait till you see the TEXAS LONGHORNS: 2011 UTAH STATE CHAMPS t-shirts I’m planning on making to commemorate the dual banishments of the Utes & polygamists in one season..
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 6:32 PM CST reply actions
Why the fuck are you talking about linebackers?
Anyway, all the time? Far more often than not, QBs who show as poorly as our QBs have this year won’t evolve into anything special. The good ones will almost always show you something early. McCoy is obviously inadequate, but Ash has shown jack shit as well as far as promise for competence in the passing game, much less flashes of being a future playmaker or superstar.
by JMR on Dec 3, 2011 6:34 PM CST reply actions
8-5….
Next Year = no RGIII, LJ, Weedon or Tannehill. No Swope, Fuller, Blackmon, Broyles. Our only legit complaint is QB development. Yes we haev some other issues with TE/WR, and to a leeser extent OL, but we look loaded for a less pass happy league next year…., and we have some time to develop a SS after the legendary glass-eyed Gideon leaves.
by bHero on Dec 3, 2011 6:35 PM CST reply actions
Willey needs to focus a lot of time and energy with the OL in the off season. I think they’ll play considerably better next year and will help out whoever the Texas Wheel of QB Destiny spits out.
by UT07 on Dec 3, 2011 6:38 PM CST reply actions
Yes, I had the same interpretation. I was actually rooting for McCoy’s last few interceptions.
Throw in the de facto fumble on the snap, and anyone can see McCoy’s got Apple and Cherry buttons: You just pick the turnover flavor you like.
Ash is a fixer-upper house, but McCoy is a never-buy, will-fall-over-when-wind-blows shanty.
Case (as certain parties sang so joyfully last week) closed.
by Louis L'am Jones on Dec 3, 2011 6:38 PM CST reply actions
Having the QB position this void of talent has been discussed ad nauseam…but it is still mind boggling but what I have also never understood is the match up problems created by the lack of talent at Strong Safety
by CD on Dec 3, 2011 6:39 PM CST reply actions
Johnathan Gray was ejected today for taunting. Maybe that’s how we get our swagger back.
by Savage Henry on Dec 3, 2011 6:40 PM CST reply actions
Isn’t that what we’re doing, arguing about where we are and what we need to do to get back to acceptable levels? This is part of the process. I don’t know exactly what I think, re:Mack, rebuild, QB, etc. I enjoy the board’s input.
I expected better than I’ve seen from this team this year. There was a clear lack of progression at the QB position all year. I thought there was situationally inappropriate play calling from time to time this year. Injuries factor in, for sure, but overall I want to see more from both Harsin and Applewhite.
I also think there’s a few offensive players who simply should not have been seeing the field by year’s end. Mike Davis is my number one candidate. He’s Desean Jackson with less talent, and I’d have rather seen a freshman in there screwing up than waiting for him to underwhelm me on effort over and over.
Defense? Overall a good year. So talent gaps at safety, clearly, but a lot to like about our corners. Manny gets a B+.
Special teams was pretty mediocre all year, and I’d like to at least have a coached tasked with ST responsibility.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 6:40 PM CST reply actions
Rex you are tripping me out, thanks for drinking all the booze, it’s been quite humorous.
Just not sure what to think long term. This game and this season is not too different from what I expected. And I like a lot about where we are heading. But there are two, neigh, three nagging concerns I have. 1. QB, can Ash rebound or can Brewer step up? I love Case as our player but he would have to put on serious weight, learn to read defenses better, and never throw on his back foot again to be our long term answer. Ash can do it if he gets his head straight, and based on his post game comments I mostly believe he could. And I know Brewer is another true fresh coming it, but he could be our best option next year if he can mentally handle the game more than Ash or McCoy.
2. Does Mack have enough in the tank. I think he has shown a lot over the last 11 months. But does he have enough energy to push deep into college football’s elite again?
3. Mack’s team’s can be soft at times. Most of this season we played great, and I think we will mature as our young bucks mature. But I still have a sneaky suspicion there.
And Scip, you were right. We’re just all freaking out right now.
by Balltastic Motivization on Dec 3, 2011 6:41 PM CST reply actions
McCoy is a studio apartment with a murphy bed. If circumstances prior are able to result in a confluence of drunk and willing it does the job, but in teh harsh light of day it can’t really get you off the ground.
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 6:42 PM CST reply actions
bHero – I agree with what you said for the most part but I fear that Blake Bell has a higher upside than LJ…and he’s being brought along like a QB should be. That is, completely opposite of what we’ve done. I think ou will have the upper hand in QB play next year again.
by UT07 on Dec 3, 2011 6:42 PM CST reply actions
JMR: all the time. Great players are rarely great as freshman. Vince didn’t even play and he endured criticism and taunts that he should be moved to WR when he did.
This season Ash has demonstrated scrambling ability, the ability to accurately hit receivers on the run, touch on short and intermediate throws, the ability to hit all or most of the routes on the tree, and physical toughness.
I’d love to hear some facts in your arguments.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 3, 2011 6:43 PM CST reply actions
bHero,
We don’t play a&m next year so who gives a shit what they lose?
Arriviste,
You make those shirts and I’ll buy one and where it to every game next year. Just like I did with my Alamo bowl shirt that said “Two Teams. One Game.”
by Savage Henry on Dec 3, 2011 6:45 PM CST reply actions
On the bright side, the offense we’re setting up should only require a game manager at QB…
by UT07 on Dec 3, 2011 6:49 PM CST reply actions
On a positive note, this game was the best thing that could happen to help David Ash shake his mental shell shock. He had to be telling himself on the sideline “I can do better than this.” Wouldn’t be surprised to hear of great improvement in his game going in to our bowl game.
by Mike Honcho on Dec 3, 2011 6:51 PM CST reply actions
It must be nice to be a LSU fan this year. You get to cheer a team that enjoys kicking the dog shit out of some pretty good opponents.
by LHDoc on Dec 3, 2011 6:52 PM CST reply actions
Could not agree more with Nickel. Until a yet-to-be-arriving QB is ready to assume the reigns AFTER a redshirt season, Ash is our QB, a Juco recruit notwithstanding.
If Case is our starting QB next year, we’ll have seen all we need to see in order to answer the question of whether or not Mack can right this Longhorn ship.
by AKHorn on Dec 3, 2011 6:56 PM CST reply actions
I’m not going to waste additional time arguing about future events. Ash hasn’t shown me anything. I feel safe in thinking that he will not amount to shit as a QB. Please feel free to rub it in my face if I’m wrong.
by JMR on Dec 3, 2011 6:59 PM CST reply actions
I’m thinking that LSU or Alabama doesn’t give a rat’s ass about who their quarterback will be next year. They’ll kick ass regardless, which says a lot about Miles and Saban.
by LHDoc on Dec 3, 2011 6:59 PM CST reply actions
“RGIII is unstoppable’? Really? Tell that to K State, a$m and Osu. Hell, tell it to Kansas who held BU to less points than Manny did—way less.
by RS on Dec 3, 2011 7:01 PM CST reply actions
With all of the qb’s in Texas and we’ve had three in the last two years that can do nothing but throw int’s. We let G.J. Kinne get away. GG and Chiles were bombs.
Let’s just hope that either Brewer or Overstreet can improve the quality at that position. I have no hope for Case and only a little for Ash to improve next year.
Maybe invest in a good qb coach.
by staylucky on Dec 3, 2011 7:04 PM CST reply actions
Next Year = no RGIII, LJ, Weedon or Tannehill. No Swope, Fuller, Blackmon, Broyles.
Ah yes, the ultimate solution is for our opponents to be devoid of talent. That’s the attitude of championship level programs. Heck why don’t we move to the Sunbelt conference and everything will be rosy.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Dec 3, 2011 7:06 PM CST reply actions
A down or rebuilding year for Texas should be 3 losses max. This b.s. of losing 7 then 5 or 6 the next year doesn’t cut it.
If everything is clicking, we should challenge for the national title. If we’ve got holes at positions or massive injuries, we should never lose more than 3 games in a regular season. We should beat OU over 50% of the time. We should NEVER lose to crap teams like Iowa St.
by Ty on Dec 3, 2011 7:07 PM CST reply actions
NYB+1.
I disagree with those that seem to retain hope that Ash can recover, but I hope I’m wrong. I thought Case showed improvement over the course of the year, while with the exception of the one throw he got today (Thanks, Goodwin), Ash appeared to regress. That doesn’t give me much confidence that an offseason with this staff will fix the issues, based on what they were able to do with GG last offseason.
Did we show appreciable improvement over the course of the season? Yes in some areas, no in others. Are we markedly better than last year? Not as much as I’d hoped.
Is the rebuild on track? Taking injuries into account, I guess.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 7:14 PM CST reply actions
As bad as the offense was, the defense wasnt any better.
by 55f100tx on Dec 3, 2011 7:17 PM CST reply actions
As bad as the offense was, the defense wasnt any better.
The offense gave up what were for all intents and purposes two pick-6s. One of them taken back to the 2 yard line and the other near the five. That’s 14 points our offense gave them, and 34 points the defense legitimately gave up. Still not great, but well under Baylor’s average and comparable with their worst performances.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Dec 3, 2011 7:22 PM CST reply actions
Can’t wait to here about how good our line looks during bowl practices and the buildup to the spring game, only to have it thrown in my face for the third consecutive year by bill little.
by Mysterious Package on Dec 3, 2011 7:26 PM CST reply actions
As this is the Championship Saturday Open Thread, it’s worth noting that the Pokes are hitting the shit out of Landry Jones.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 7:29 PM CST reply actions
All this talk of “repairing” Ash suggests that he was ever legitimately functioning. I still haven’t quite seen that he has the ability to make proper reads and survey the field with any authority. Maybe that’s not giving him enough leeway for being a freshman, but until I see him display those “heady” qualities, I’m not going to be willing to anoint him.
by Post Mortimer on Dec 3, 2011 7:30 PM CST reply actions
The defense got served a big ole shit sandwich by our offense all year. If the offense wasn’t giving our opponents points (ala OU and Baylor) they were an endless punting machine (MU, KSU).
And for my money, Case is clearly not the answer (all the “at least Case doesn’t throw ints” crowd STFU once and for all). Ash had bad moments but also showed the physical ability to make all the throws, not to mention being able to run. Playing Brewer as a Frosh next year is a recipe for another 7-5 record. I guess I’m in the camp hoping that the mental part of the game will improve for Ash with experience and he can at least be a viable game manager. Being a true Freshman I’m willing to give him some slack for the mistakes he has made.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Dec 3, 2011 7:31 PM CST reply actions
Practice Reports have been misleading all year. But I can’t blame Jesus, he can only report what he’s told. 1st half, the Asset looked like a prophet. Not so much, later. If you’re betting money based on practice reports, you should probably stop.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 7:31 PM CST reply actions
We’re going to blow out our opponent in the bowl game. Just saying.
by UT07 on Dec 3, 2011 7:33 PM CST reply actions
Due to his remarkable reporting and absolute prescience with respect to the coach hiring process last year, I put 100% faith in JS’s reports. The Asset, I take with a major grain of salt. But even the play “wrinkles” and “redactions” have been correct. I’m puzzled by the whiffs on big things, like Malcolm Brown playing today.
by rawaustin on Dec 3, 2011 7:35 PM CST reply actions
"RGIII is unstoppable’? Really? Tell that to K State, a$m and Osu
This fistingly ignorant, even by your moronically low standards, RS.
He passed for 346, 425, and 430 yards in all 3 of those games, and 3, 5, and 3 TD’s – all more than he did today,
by Arriviste on Dec 3, 2011 7:40 PM CST reply actions
Seriously, where do we go from here? Another season filled with excuses and ass kickings.
by Mysterious Package on Dec 3, 2011 7:41 PM CST reply actions
I’m too pissed off to even analyze anything. Poor performance all around. Refs didn’t help but ultimately we were winning even with the bad calls and just collapsed. If they shirt Brewer and don’t either stick with Ash or bring in another QB, I’m going to lose it.
If Ash isn’t playing by the bowl game…I’m going to lose it even more. How is it fair that Ash throws 2 picks and has some struggles so they pull him for Case, but when Case shits himself they don’t put Ash in there. Imagine what Ash has to be thinking!
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 7:41 PM CST reply actions
Raw+1
You can’t really argue with the accuracy of the info. It’s the general “Player X had his best practice doing Y” statements that seem to bug people, but hey, good practice doesn’t tell you what happens on game day.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 7:43 PM CST reply actions
Can we get rid of our field turf? Leave it to Tech, okie state, Kansas, ole miss.
by Mysterious Package on Dec 3, 2011 7:43 PM CST reply actions
STLaw:
Maybe because they’ve already seen Ash shit himself. Maybe Ash didn’t want to go in. Maybe the coaches wanted to make a point (i.e. Case is not the answer).
I am not even sure I care. Both QBs are really bad. Hard for me to believe either will be serviceable next year. I honestly wish we’d find an “Athlete” to put at QB and start running zone-read option, lead option, freeze option, midline option, hell I don’t care what type of option. We will be stacked at RB, might as well utilize as much of that talent as possible. Pass as little as possible and let’s pretend it’s 2004 again.
by spit and tears on Dec 3, 2011 7:48 PM CST reply actions
STLaw, I respect your point, but it’s not like “Ash threw two picks” is a complete synopsis of his play in those games. He was awful, start to finish, after B&B went down. Case was playing the best game we’ve had at the QB position in TWO YEARS prior to the half. Ash hasn’t even had a half like that all year. Unfortunately, he sucked balls after.
Case is physically underwhelming, and Ash is a psyche reclamation project. And we don’t have a credible wildcat option. The cupboard is bare, and we all know why. We gain nothing by declaring them both FINISHED at this point, because we’re probably going to need at least one of them next year.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 7:50 PM CST reply actions
Agreed JS has been accurate. I’m just annoyed when I reflect on the pre season reports of Ash making all the throws in practice and how Gilbert is becoming the team leader. Let’s not forget the H-Back role, that doesn’t exist and never has. I remember hearing positive reports about Greg freaking Smith. Generally I do dismiss and take it with a grain of salt but it would be nice I we just admitted we sucked sometimes. I think we all need to hear it so we can move on in a new direction.
by Mysterious Package on Dec 3, 2011 7:52 PM CST reply actions
They just called OU for holding against Oklahoma State — Hell must have frozen over.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 7:53 PM CST reply actions
Spit and Tears/TexanNick,
Yes Ash was horrible during the Mizzou game. He also was put in the worst position so far with regards to QB because our last good RB (and leader) went down. Ash has the arm and not a single person on here, or anywhere else, can argue against that. I think they pulled him too early in the KSU game…I was there and trust me he wasn’t getting any help. Once it went downhill with Case today, no increase in the “Ash Package” or anything even close to giving him a chance. I’m sorry but keeping someone in there for 4 INTs is like saying it was okay to keep GG in during that horrid KSU game. Sit the QB down a series, put Ash in for a few more plays just to try and stop the snowball at the least.
Ash wanted to go in…he was in that huddle when Case came running back in. Ash was trying to get the OL fired up and he was ready to go. Obviously neither one has shown they are the “answer” but it IS unfair to Ash to pull him like that and then let him see Case throw half our game away while not even getting an increase in snaps. I’m a no BS kinda guy, and if it isn’t working, then mix it up or make a change but don’t keep doing the same crap. Hell, at least Ash plants his damn feet before he throws unlike “hoops” McCoy making jump throws.
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 8:08 PM CST reply actions
Oh and no hard feelings…everyone is entitled to their own opinion on here. Sometimes people forget that. No worries
by STLaw on Dec 3, 2011 8:12 PM CST reply actions
STLaw, that’s well said. I agree with you, think it would have been absolutely understandable to put him in. I offered what I said more as a possible explanation for why it DIDN’T happen. I think the coaches made a determination that being down as much as they were, they’d have to throw, and Case gave them the best chance to do that effectively. If it had been a one score game like KSU or Mizzou, maybe they’d have felt differently. But if you look at the season as a whole, I think an argument can be made that the coaches have NEVER developed confidence in Ash’s ability to throw. Given my viewing ofnthe games, it’s at least a rational explanation.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 8:17 PM CST reply actions
One of the best plays I have ever seen in MSU/Wiscy game to tie at 21. Anybody else see that one?
by DeepEddy on Dec 3, 2011 8:21 PM CST reply actions
I think it is entirely possible that Harsin told Ash to warm up — and Mack told him to sit down.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 8:24 PM CST reply actions
It’s the first week of December, do you know where your team is?
Well, Mack is sleepy and Stoops is playing for another conference championship.
Yep. Nothing’s changed.
by Zzzizzzy on Dec 3, 2011 8:26 PM CST reply actions
On another note, please God, let OSU continue to kick Sooner ass, and please let poll voters be watching. I don’t want rematches in MNC games.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 8:27 PM CST reply actions
TN, you have to catch this one on the highlights later. MSU has the ball around the 10 yard line, they throw to the right sideline to a WR, he is getting pushed out of bounds by the corner, tries to stop his momentum, and is able to turn his body around just before falling out of bounds, where he notices his teammate right behind him, so he pitches the ball. This is around the 5 yard line. Then, the other WR starts running to the goal line, but 2 or 3 defenders are converging on him, so he dives at the goal line and clears all of them for the TD. Really fantastic play.
Then, MSU goes for the fake on the PAT to get 2 points.
by DeepEddy on Dec 3, 2011 8:27 PM CST reply actions
Arriveste, why the constant personal attacks? If you disagree, say so. But don’t show your small dick by calling names. Unless of course you’re 4 years old.
by RS on Dec 3, 2011 8:29 PM CST reply actions
srr50 said: December 3rd, 2011 at 7:24 pm
I think it is entirely possible that Harsin told Ash to warm up — and Mack told him to sit down.
If true, that’s f’ing ridiculous. Beginning to think someone has a sadistic streak for QB failure. Don’t know what else to think after that K State game last year.
by Texoz on Dec 3, 2011 8:29 PM CST reply actions
ssr50, do you have a source on that? Or just your feeling, based on the Steele Hottie’s report?
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 8:29 PM CST reply actions
Case vs Ash – They both suck but Ash seems like the best option to be servicible next year.
With Gray, Brown and Bergeron we should load up on wildcat and hope we never have to throw the ball more than 10 times a game.
by Savage Henry on Dec 3, 2011 8:32 PM CST reply actions
@Savage Henry….
That’s the point, they are leaving, we don’t have to play them. Whether or not they are senior doesn’t matter, they are off our schedule, that is what I am happy about. All of them. All the “elite” Big-12 QB’s are gone next year along with their WR’s. Not matter who replaces them, we will benefit… at first anyways.
by bHero on Dec 3, 2011 8:34 PM CST reply actions
No source, but it was obvious watching that Ash was told by someone to get ready, and then he was not put in.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 8:37 PM CST reply actions
Is it just me, or does Mike Gundy look like he’s aged about 15 years in the last 2?
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 8:38 PM CST reply actions
Agreed, Ash clearly was told something. Just not sure what, or by who.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 8:40 PM CST reply actions
Arriviste has been trying to compensate all year.
by Orangeblood79 on Dec 3, 2011 8:44 PM CST reply actions
“Is it just me, or does Mike Gundy look like he’s aged about 15 years in the last 2?”
He’s a grown man.
by Zzzizzzy on Dec 3, 2011 8:47 PM CST reply actions
I’m wondering if that question was asked of the coaches in the presser, Nick? What changed that put McCoy back in and Ash back to the sideline?
I’m really hoping “Rex” nailed it earlier: I firmly believe Mack is letting Case finish the game to shut up the Case apologists once and for all, so we can focus on making Ash into an actual QB during bowl workouts, etc.
If he didn’t and instead sent Case back out there over Harsin’s call, we’re in deep kim chee.
by AKHorn on Dec 3, 2011 8:56 PM CST reply actions
TexLong, please keep us updated on Rick McIvor. My brother lives close to Rick (same town), and the families are very good friends.
For those of you that went nuclear during the game, you did sound like the guys on TexAgs. I would think you would learn from their misery. I absolutely guarantee that everyone participating in our program is thinking much more clearly that most of you when the Horns are not validating you. Can’t you think for even a moment before you hit, ‘Submit’?
Can’t wait to read one of your post-game analysis, Scip.
Sheesh!
by java on Dec 3, 2011 8:58 PM CST reply actions
RS,
I was using a tad of hyperbole when I said RGIII was unstoppable, but you do realize that we outgained Baylor by 46 yards and they still outscored us by 24. They a lot of points off turnovers by our offense. Our offense was not a good friend to our defense in this game. I’m not going to pretend that our defense had nearly as good of a performance in this game as they did against A&M, but they were repeatedly put in a tough spot by blown holding calls and other non calls, turnovers, and the fact that Baylor just has a lot of speed and firepower on offense.
by burntorangejuice on Dec 3, 2011 9:03 PM CST reply actions
Nickel Rover,
Re: a junior QB transferring in and immediately contributing, Texas Tech backup quarterback Jacob Karam might be an option.
LubbockOnLine said:
“Karam said he expects to become immediately eligible at his next school because he will have finished his undergraduate degree. Transfer rules typically require a player to sit out one season before being eligible.”
by Kafka on Dec 3, 2011 9:04 PM CST reply actions
“They just called OU for holding against Oklahoma State — Hell must have frozen over.”
That made this thread worth reading. That crew in Waco was not going to spoil RG IIIs day with a holding call…
From where I sat Ash warmed up all game long. I didnt make too much of that.
by Juice on Dec 3, 2011 9:04 PM CST reply actions
I am not a regular poster but I cant see the upside in baby mccoy. he is scared to be on the field. I dont think Ash is the savior but mccoy is a joke out there. He was scared to try to recover the bad snap and then just quit like he did against blow u. I am a little drunk but I am also discusted by the effort put out today…
by sofa king on Dec 3, 2011 9:06 PM CST reply actions
As to the question on Case being sent back in to continue the black hole implosion, I’m guessing Mack was just hoping that he could pull some late game comeback out of his ass like he did at A&M. Guess that was just A&M being the ultimate black hole more so than Case possessing some sort of magic.
by burntorangejuice on Dec 3, 2011 9:07 PM CST reply actions
Case is done. Forget Ash. Let’s have a look at the walk-ons and the guys wearing black socks.
by Major Cult on Dec 3, 2011 9:09 PM CST reply actions
AKHorn: I’m waiting to hear about the post game comments too.
As for Rex, while I find him funny as he’ll, his premise assumes that Mack gives a damn what the fans think of his QB. Case apologists? You think Mack (or Harsin, or Applewhite) care what the fans think? He’s going to go with whoever he thinks gives him the best chance to win, and he may be wrong, and he may reach a different conclusion than Harsin.
Remember, he could decide Ash is the guy at any time. He doesn’t need Case to throw 4 picks to decide that he’s going to use the bowl practices to try to get Ash to be the guy.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 9:11 PM CST reply actions
UT had 5 holding penalties. Baylor did not have a penalty called on their Offense.
Season offensive holding calls for UT:
1 – OU
3 – Kansas
1- Mizzou
Same crew worked KU and Baylor games.
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 9:16 PM CST reply actions
OU vs. T. Boone U. becoming a laugher. Is there any final score that would convince the voters to move OSU to #2?
by DeepEddy on Dec 3, 2011 9:18 PM CST reply actions
6 turnovers, 12 penalties, game over.
The idiocy of those ragging on the defense is amazing. Give Baylor’s offense some credit. They have moved the ball and scored on people all season. You can’t give them extra possessions and we gave them several.
JoePa once said that a good gauge for how many games you will lose is how many freshmen you start. It worked out about like that for us with 5 of each (Ash, Brown/Bergeron. Cochran, Shipley, Diggs). It is even more telling that most of those 5 are among our better players, particularly on offense. Add starting two second year players in the OL (Espinosa and Hopkins) and another at QB (Case) and we were asking young players to do things they are not yet ready to do consistently.
No cure for it but reps and time in a top-tier S&C program which we now hopefully have. Suck it up—our day in the barrel.
by hopefulhorn on Dec 3, 2011 9:19 PM CST reply actions
Jones goes Garo Yepremian and OSU is up by 30
by goldenbohls on Dec 3, 2011 9:19 PM CST reply actions
. . . his premise assumes that Mack gives a damn what the fans think of his QB. Case apologists? You think Mack (or Harsin, or Applewhite) care what the fans think?
No, I don’t. Just groping for some explanation for Ash standing with the offense, the talking heads saying Ash was coming in “for the last quarter” and then watching the continued clusterf****, not that it would have made much difference.
by AKHorn on Dec 3, 2011 9:19 PM CST reply actions
Landry Jones whiffs a pass and OSU gets a TD. The sooners look worse than Texas.
by Major Cult on Dec 3, 2011 9:20 PM CST reply actions
Golden boils. I can’t believe I missed the Garo ya premium analogy. I thought that motion looked familiar.
by Major Cult on Dec 3, 2011 9:23 PM CST reply actions
Most likely explanation is that coming out of that timeout, they were going to run an Ash package play, but for whatever reason changed to another call. I just don’t think coaches spend a lot of time trying to send messages to fans during games.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 9:23 PM CST reply actions
bHero,
I got you on a&m. My bad. Not sure we’re downgrading much in that respect with TCU and wvu though.
Mack wasn’t trying to submarine case. That’s stupid. He’s been talking him up for ten days saing he’s starting to look like his brother.
by Savage Henry on Dec 3, 2011 9:23 PM CST reply actions
Demote McCoy to Sallies kitchen helper. It’s holiday season and she will likely be baking those treats away and could use some help!
by Mysterious Package on Dec 3, 2011 9:25 PM CST reply actions
OU fumbles again. Wow Stoops is gonna need (more) psychotherapy.
by Major Cult on Dec 3, 2011 9:28 PM CST reply actions
I just love watching OU lose. Especially in demoralizing fashion.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 9:32 PM CST reply actions
Case and Ash are basically playing with the same level of experience in D-1 football. We don’t need to go into the story of how is redshirt was burned. From everything I’ve seen so far this season, he gave us the best chance to win. Ash showed very few flashes of anything. He is going to show a whole hell of a lot to prove he should start next season. Same goes for Case with his attitude (allegedly).
We’ll see what kind of work ethic is shown between now and the bowl game and during the off season. I hope that one of these two has what it takes to lead this team.
by Secret Squirrel on Dec 3, 2011 9:34 PM CST reply actions
Quandre got Stromiled today. Big first down runs by Ganaway were much less forgivable though.
by Juice on Dec 3, 2011 9:35 PM CST reply actions
@Major
You are right, the land thieves are exceeding the Horns on the bad-o-meter. Hope OSU hangs half a hundred on them. Only nine more to go.
by goldenbohls on Dec 3, 2011 9:36 PM CST reply actions
You know what really sucks? Oklahoma State could score 3 more times and hold OU to just 3 points…and we are still stuck watching Bama vs. LSU…
Wait they just scored one more!
40-3…how much of a statement do they need to make damnit?
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 9:37 PM CST reply actions
Ok St will not let up tonight. They want to play for all the marbles.
by Major Cult on Dec 3, 2011 9:38 PM CST reply actions
I hope Ash can recover and it’s not terminal confidence loss – ala Gilbert.
The only coach I could call out as a constant in the coaching of mentally fucked up QB’s is Major Applewhite.
by Snide Aside on Dec 3, 2011 9:40 PM CST reply actions
Nikki, if this doesn’t do it, nothing will. Thanks for reminding me why you’re my BC e-crush. Well, that and the naked trampolining.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 9:40 PM CST reply actions
I’m hoping OSU hits the 60s. They shouldn’t let up. see OU in 2008.
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 9:42 PM CST reply actions
Don’t buy the “Ash is the same as Case in experience” argument. Standing on a college sideline and college practice reps is worth more than being the high school hero, at least as far as quarterbacks go.
And Case is going to need more than an attitude (allegedly) improvement. Stronger arm, less happy feet, etc., etc. If he can manage all that in the offseason, great.
by AKHorn on Dec 3, 2011 9:42 PM CST reply actions
Stoops is going to murder someone tonight while Mack sleep claps and murmers, “Proud of the kids. Fought hard.”
by burntorangejuice on Dec 3, 2011 9:43 PM CST reply actions
TexanNick,
:) Thanks! OSU needs more TD’s. More. This is an epic collapse of OU. I know they have injuries…I am guessing their DC is out the door.
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 9:46 PM CST reply actions
Only Texas made the case for Landry being the number one pick in the draft.
Simple reasons why we are where we are:
Gideon is a four year starter and there will be 3 QB’s who played high school football in Texas and we recruited none of them. That’s all that needs to be said. Systemic problems that may have been cured with a new staff. I’m excited as hell about restocking the talent. What I’m not excited about is our QB play. Save the David Ash bullshit. What did he show anyone that makes you think he is the answer?
by Groundhog Day on Dec 3, 2011 9:49 PM CST reply actions
Baylor scored on 8 of it’s 11 possessions before taking a knee. Blame the QB play all you want, but Baylor scored at will. And they were not short fields, Baylor started every drive except one at it’s own 35 or much worse.
I thought our D play was pretty good all season – with the Aggie game being one of the best D performances I have ever seen, given the repeated 3 and outs and very short fields. It was like one long extended overtime, given the starting Aggie field position.
But today I think the D lost the game. Or if you prefer, the Baylor offense was much better than our “Top 3” defense. It was 24-20 going into the half, and Baylor proceeded to score every single drive in the second half. Every one. There is no way almost any other offense, and especially ours, wins that track meet.
And yes, OSU should definitely be going to the title game.
by Longhorn NY on Dec 3, 2011 9:50 PM CST reply actions
Actually it appears that the only reason they didn’t put up even more yards and points is that they didn’t have the ball enough. TX held the ball for almost 40 minutes.
by Longhorn NY on Dec 3, 2011 9:53 PM CST reply actions
Sooners getting rolled softens the day a bit
by Savage Henry on Dec 3, 2011 9:54 PM CST reply actions
Big key was quick Baylor drive after we tied game at 24 at beginning of second half. They shrugged us right off.
by Juice on Dec 3, 2011 9:56 PM CST reply actions
Oklahoma State needs to continue to pour it on. They look incredible right now.
by Mysterious Package on Dec 3, 2011 9:58 PM CST reply actions
AKHorn-
They both have the same time learning Harsin’s offense. Case had how many game reps under Greg Davis’ system? Let’s not equate Case backing up GG for a season to Aaron Rodgers carrying a clipboard in Green Bay for a few years Because that’s how your coming across.
by Secret Squirrel on Dec 3, 2011 9:58 PM CST reply actions
Nikki asks how much of a statement does OSU have to make.
They have made enough of a statement. The real question is who do the voters want to see play LSU? If they want to see a rematch they will vote Bama second. If they want to see someone else they will vote OSU second. Simple as that because the computers will have OSU ahead of Bama.
Just a matter of competing agendas – is the SEC all that and an ice cream cone? Is the SEC so great that no other team is good enough to even play for the MNC?
by goldenbohls on Dec 3, 2011 9:58 PM CST reply actions
Baylor had drives that started at the
UT 2
UT 11
UT 35
Bay 41
by ultralight on Dec 3, 2011 9:58 PM CST reply actions
Dammit, guys, let me have my rationalizations. I need this.
by burntorangejuice on Dec 3, 2011 9:59 PM CST reply actions
I think you’ve got to break the “Ash v. McCoy at QB” debate into two parts:
before Brown-Bergeron-Fozzy injuries; an
after BBF
I think HarsinWhite was bringing Ash along to be the caretaker/complement to an offense built on the run with occasional deep throws. When those three went down, we were essentially left without horses to ride and a “tweaked” offensive scheme had to be installed.
My opinion: it got into Ash’s head — asked to read/react too much, too soon. Regardless of the snaps McCoy got last year (and that’s a whole ’nother issue) he was nonetheless a better fit into our post-injuries offense than the true freshman QB that was developing under a very structured game plan.
I had/have no problem with the decision to go with McCoy. I’m just saying — as countless others here have offered — that Ash has a greater upside as a DI quarterback than McCoy.
by AKHorn on Dec 3, 2011 10:00 PM CST reply actions
goldenbohls,
True that. I would rather see how OSU would stack up vs. LSU than I would another rematch of…field goals. Though their second game could be more exciting. maybe a TD or Alabama’s kicker makes more FG’s than last time.
I don’t know if OSU could win vs. LSU. But I would laugh my little ass off if they did beat them.
SEC is not everything the media pumps it up to be. JMO.
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 10:06 PM CST reply actions
But today I think the D lost the game. Or if you prefer, the Baylor offense was much better than our "Top 3″ defense.
So how many of our six turnovers were on the defense?
It was a team effort today.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 10:07 PM CST reply actions
Not just yours, I agree.
CBS and ESPN have gone way overboard on them. LSU has already beaten Bama on Bama’s turf. That issue was settled in that epic “Game of the Century.”
So what would if mean if LSU loses to them this time?
by goldenbohls on Dec 3, 2011 10:11 PM CST reply actions
AKHorn: If by upside you’re talking about physical ability, I don’t think anybody’s arguing with you. But Gilbert had and STILL has more upside than both of them, and what did we learn from that? We learned that upside isn’t enough, sooner or later you have to show you have it. Ash had multiple games to show he was progressing as a passer, and unequivocally failed to do so.
Does this mean I’m throwing him on the scrap heap? No. He’ll have a chance to start and be successful here again, if for no other reason than a lack of other options. He’s redeemable.
And make no mistake, I’m not 100% happy with the coaching that he’s gotten to this point. The Kansas and Tech games proved to me that the coaches didn’t WANT to give him any meaningful passing experience in-game. They apparently thought our game was so strong, we’d never get into a game where we might NEED a QB to throw more than 15 times in the game.
by TexanNick on Dec 3, 2011 10:13 PM CST reply actions
A tie? The game of the century was laughable at best. All of the hype…and then nada.
Crap…a fumble. I wanted them to get over 50…crap…
I think the real reason the voters (people) won’t let OSU in the door (same reason why all of the reporters everywhere lost their shit the first Rose Bowl we got in…saying we didn’t deserve to be there) is because, say someone from the Big12 just smashed them in the mouth…they can’t go on and on…about the SEC. Main reason to keep us out…is so they can continue to run the table. But shutting down others…and keeping them out. Stupid voters.
by nikki32 on Dec 3, 2011 10:16 PM CST reply actions
LSU would beat Oklahoma State like a rented mule. The have more NFL quality DB’s than anyone else, could man up and rush the hell out of the QB.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 10:16 PM CST reply actions
Major – Applewhite is the co-offensive coordinator
by Snide Aside on Dec 3, 2011 10:16 PM CST reply actions
Srr50, obviously. My point is that Texas had no real offense going into the game, just some make-shift herky jerky contraption. And this offense, the one that couldn’t buy a first down in Kyle Field, scored a lot of points. And should have scored more, but for a dropped TD. And kept us in the game until mid 3rd quarter when the trick bag was used up and we started pressing.
The D could not stop them once after the 1st quarter and a brain freeze by RG3 when he threw the pick into our end zone. So yes, I blame the D.
And yes I f’up on starting field position due to turnovers. It’s late. It doesn’t change my point.
by Longhorn NY on Dec 3, 2011 10:19 PM CST reply actions
srr – right.
Just like the best team in the history of college football beat that poor little B12 team from Austin a few years ago, at least until they actually played the game.
by goldenbohls on Dec 3, 2011 10:21 PM CST reply actions
Major Applewhite is the “co” for pay purposes only. Mack Brown never talks about the O being anyone else’s but Harsin’s. Major could not cut it at OC at Bama and has not been on anyone’s short list for that position since.
by Flash on Dec 3, 2011 10:22 PM CST reply actions
The problem with judging based on upside is that he may not ever play to that potential. I hope that he can, but to be completely honest, I haven’t seen what the fuss is all about.
My hope is that the starter for the bowl game and next season is chosen because he is the best leader and not just the guy with the greater upside.
by Secret Squirrel on Dec 3, 2011 10:25 PM CST reply actions
Why are we rebuilding anyway? It’s insane to let the person who is responsible for our demise continue to cash checks while we get blown out by rivals. This has to be a first. At least Royal was beating OU and (gasp) Baylor consistanly.
by Mysterious Package on Dec 3, 2011 10:27 PM CST reply actions
One of these days Gus Johnson’s head is actually gonna explode. I really hope I am watching the game when it happens.
by DeepEddy on Dec 3, 2011 10:31 PM CST reply actions
So which bowl we going to, and who we play?
by Longhorn NY on Dec 3, 2011 10:32 PM CST reply actions
Nick: I would disagree with nothing you’ve said. Gilbert is a red herring. He’s no longer a part of the discussion, which at this point is McCoy and Ash. Although I submit it would have been real interesting to see what part Gilbert could have played this season — and how the coaches would have handled it — had he chose to stay and compete (sans injury?)
Yes, once the injuries occurred, Ash was clearly not ready to “show he had it.” Putting him in that position, which had to be done, is/was asking an awful lot of the youngster.
You’re observation on Ash and the Kansas/Tech scenario of “no meaningful snaps” is spot on: Ash was never given the luxury of developing his “live” game passing/reads in games already won. And that’s on the coaches. I’d love to know, if that was a conscious decision, if all three — Harsin, Applewhite, and Mack — were in agreement.
by AKHorn on Dec 3, 2011 10:33 PM CST reply actions
Congrats to okie state. You deserve the conference crown and a title shot.
by Mysterious Package on Dec 3, 2011 10:33 PM CST reply actions
Just like the best team in the history of college football beat that poor little B12 team from Austin a few years ago, at least until they actually played the game.
That "poor little B12 team had the player of the decade and about 12 other NFL players.
Oklahoma State has no one close to that. The LSU defense if full of future NFL players, including a handful of DB’s who would man up and then the best D-line in the game today would pressure Weeden all night long.
This is a freaking team that lost to Iowa State.
LSU has already taken apart two teams with uptempo offenses — Oregon and West Virginia, and with a month to prepare for Oklahoma State they would be ready.
by srr50 on Dec 3, 2011 10:34 PM CST reply actions
I think Bama would roll the Pokes but in this current fucked up BCS system we have there shouldn’t be re-matches. Bama had their shot. At HOME. Give the Pkes a shot. Anything can happen after 5 weeks off.
by Savage Henry on Dec 3, 2011 10:42 PM CST reply actions
@srr
So let them prove it on the field is my point, exactly like Texas did in the real game of the century. If LSU is that good let them beat OSU like a rented mule – on the field. They already beat Bama.
Done.
Settled.
Scoreboard.
by goldenbohls on Dec 3, 2011 10:42 PM CST reply actions
srr50, how is it that we stopped recruiting future NFL starters?
The last time we crashed from the kind of heights we were at 5 years ago was when we refused to pay the going rate back in the 1980s. Why do I think it is happening again?
by Flash on Dec 3, 2011 10:47 PM CST reply actions
Besides, could you imagine Saban and those fans if they didn’t get another bite of the apple?
by goldenbohls on Dec 3, 2011 10:49 PM CST reply actions
Congrats to the Pokes on winning their first Big 12 championship in dominating fashion. The Cowboys absolutely stomped the Sooners tonight (would be great to see the Longhorns do that also before Mack retires). Coach Gundy definitely showed he’s a man.
by PoofyBevo on Dec 3, 2011 10:51 PM CST reply actions
That "poor little B12 team had the player of the decade and about 12 other NFL players.
Actually srr, you shortchanged your own argument. That “poor little B12 team” had way more than 12 NFL players. Just from memory here:
VY
J Charles
Selvin Young
Ramonce Taylor
Blalock
Studdard
Sendlein
Scott
Sweed
D Thomas
Q Cosby
Orakpo
R Wright
Robison
M Griffin
C Griffin
A Ross
M Huff
T Brown
That’s 19 and I’m sure I’m forgetting some others that played in that game.
by t1climb1 on Dec 3, 2011 10:52 PM CST reply actions
I remember when we used to bitch about being 9-3. The fact that we are 6-11 in conference play over the last two years is embarrassing. Spin those stats coach Brown
by CD on Dec 3, 2011 10:56 PM CST reply actions
If LSU ends up with half the starters suspended (actually possible), then OSU would have a shot. I have no problem with OSU making the game, but they are going to get drilled. LSU’s their worst match-up nightmare.
Congrats to RGIII. I think he won the Heisman today. I really thought Manny would have an answer for him.
Weird season. Had its moments. Looking forward to next year.
by G.O.F. on Dec 3, 2011 11:22 PM CST reply actions
The fact that we are 6-11 in conference play over the last two years is embarrassing. Spin those stats coach Brown
He doesn’t have to. There are plenty of people on here who willingly spin that this is just part of the rebuilding process, and this is what we expected from this year, so we’re right on track to greatness again around the corner.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Dec 3, 2011 11:29 PM CST reply actions
Congrats to RGIII. I think he won the Heisman today.
I wish, but pretty sure you’re wrong. They showed straw poll results of Heisman voters from this week during the game that had Richardson and Luck both with a commanding lead over RGIII. He would have had to have a record setting day to impress the voters enough to catch those guys. He had a nice day, but not spectacular. He didn’t even hit his averages.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Dec 3, 2011 11:35 PM CST reply actions
With regard to Ash, I didn’t care for a lot of what I saw, but he also got the shit end of the injury breaks much moreso than McCoy.
Ash was the starter when we lost all 3 RBs, while McCoy had some help from B & B against A&M. On top of having no RBs, Ash was asked to win the MU and KSU games without our only legitimate recieving threat with Shipley injured. The only games Shipley missed were ones Ash started.
How bad would McCoy have been against A&M and today if he hadn’t had Shipley either. How much better might Ash have been against MU and KSU if he had Shipley and not just Davis dropping and shortarming passes.
Ash made some mistakes, but he had no one at RB or WR to make plays and help him out in even the slightest. It was literally Ash (a true Freshman) being asked to win singlehandedly with a bunch of guys that never would have seen the field on past Texas teams.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Dec 3, 2011 11:53 PM CST reply actions
t1climb1, off the top of my head, I think you left J. Finley and A. Hall off your list. I am sure there are a couple more I can’t think of this late at night. And if we include redshirt (Colt) and bench players, not to mention an injured Shipley, I think you might get to 30.
by DeepEddy on Dec 4, 2011 12:12 AM CST reply actions
I think that Nunna Yo Bizness makes fair points about Ash. I am going to liken this to my collegiate experience. I played baseball in a high profile conference in high school and then made the jump as a freshman in college to shortstop. It’s insane how much faster the game becomes even in a game like baseball. Big name guys came from this conference, like Ryan Howard and David Freese. Still, in college Guys get down the line faster, balls in the gap become triples, pitchers fucking throw HEAT, and all of this has nothing to do with how incredibly fast a Division 1 football game becomes. In football its magnified by at least 100×.
Ash, literally had no time to develop. The kid lost his only legitimate receiving option, was being barely being protected when he was asked to throw and rarely got the chance to throw when we needed to catch up. Its incredibly unfair and unrealistic to place so much on him with the injuries to our running backs. We are expecting a ridiculous transition in a heartbeat. While I was not a hindrance to our team as a young player, I didn’t really feel comfortable until early in my sophomore year and I didn’t have 6.5 million fans beating off to every practice and breath I took. Give the kid some time to learn, give him a chance to throw, a running game to lean on and fucking receivers who realize its their job to CATCH the balls thrown to them and I think we could someday be pleased with Ash leading the team. He isn’t fucking Aaron Rodgers, he isn’t Vince, but holy shit, the kid can at least be Chris Leak.
by nmckenzie1 on Dec 4, 2011 1:16 AM CST reply actions
In other news… Landry Jones IS Uncle Rico.
Just one more game till we lose our “on field coach”. How in the world will Carrington and Quandre know how to line up? Will Big 12 receivers now jog to the end zone knowing that Blake’s not there to chase them? Who’ll be our run supporting bullfighter in center field?CScott? Nope, next spring he’ll join Blake as an eighth round draft pick.
And for all of you Case apologists (Caseologists) – go kill yourselves, your families will thank me. I kid, I kid. You guys are right. Case has “it”. And by “it” I assume you mean no arm, no pocket presence, (oh no you dinnit!! Oh yes I did!) and little athletic ability. It’s almost as if he won the Make a Wish for goofy looking kids in the greater Possum Kingdom area. ( Did I just go scorched Earth? Too soon. Sorry).
And yes, I realize David Ash has done little since his acting/banjo picking career ended after Deliverance. But he’s still a 6’ 4", 225 lbs TRUE FROSH athlete with a big arm. With him at least there is a potential high ceiling..
by Clint Longley on Dec 4, 2011 6:52 AM CST reply actions
RS,
You are truly a dumbass. I seriously doubt you are a Texas fan and probably just another internet punk here to talk smack.
RG3 had 346 yards passing and 5 TDs against KSU.
He had 430 yards and 3 TDs against Aggy
He had 425 yards against OSU.
Baylor’s problem is they have a lousy defense and it showed in the games you mentioned. It definitely wasn’t Griffin getting stopped by any of those guys.
by My name is nobody on Dec 4, 2011 8:29 AM CST reply actions
Clint Longley,
I like the way Roger Staubach beat the shit out of you back in the day.
by My name is nobody on Dec 4, 2011 8:34 AM CST reply actions
I like LSU to win against OSU but I don’t think it’s wise to totally write off the OSU offense and what they could do to LSU. This is a really good OL and Blackmon is better than anything LSU has seen yet.
I’ll take Weeden over D. Thomas or the WVU guy, also. I definitely think the Pokes could give them a fight.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 4, 2011 9:04 AM CST reply actions
Word is that one of Texas’ top commits might start looking around. Speculation centers around Jonathan Gray. Also, another rumor is one of our DL recruits will look around. I’m assuming it’s Ridgeway since he has been rumored to be looking around for awhile.
by Groundhog Day on Dec 4, 2011 9:13 AM CST reply actions
Let’s see… what was it we needed to do to win?
1. Decent running game-no check
2. Protect the ball-no check
3. No stupid penalties-no check
Shades of 2010 KSU, did we just watch Mack overrule his OC and keep a QB on the field against all odds? Was Ash not warmed up? Looked like he alternated between warming up and watching glumly, so maybe he just wasn’t able to get warm. I dunno, but my rule of thumb is based on two points: change a losing game, and “how much worse can it get?”… but WTF do I know – I’m not a football coach.
Pöhlmann for the TD, exactly the way my inner LHS diagrammed it – one of the very few bright spots.
Oh – haven’t heard anything else on Sheriff Rick McIvor. Talked to a couple of our (Brewster County) deputies, with mixed messages – one said it was relatively minor and the other the opposite. I’ll let you know when and if I hear anything more.
by Tex Long on Dec 4, 2011 9:17 AM CST reply actions
Gotta say, for a team that year in and year out brings in a shit-ton of that nation’s highest-rated recruits, UT is showing me next to nothing. Either these highly-touted recruits are vastly overrated(partially true, as I think is the case with many TX players), or the coaching flat out stinks (again, maybe partially true). UT should be dominating nationally every year, based on the alleged quality of its recruiting classes, but against Baylor and even Aggy they looked like a mid-level BCS underdog.
A team that pulls in the talent of UT should be no worse than 9-3 EVER. That is, unless the quality of their recruits is greatly exaggerated.
by goodonyaa on Dec 4, 2011 9:17 AM CST reply actions
Maybe the worst thing about after loss bitching is all the ‘these recruits are looking around’ rumors.
Why would Jonathon Gray now be looking around when he has been one of our biggest recruiters and cheerleaders?
by My name is nobody on Dec 4, 2011 9:28 AM CST reply actions
Word is that one of Texas’ top commits might start looking around. Speculation centers around Jonathan Gray.
No. Skyline WR Thomas Johnson is still getting rushed by Oregon.
by srr50 on Dec 4, 2011 9:28 AM CST reply actions
Groundhog Day,
J Gray is probably the least likely commit to waver, next to Connor Brewer. Either you are intentionally trying to make despondent Texas fans completely lose the will to live because you are a desperate Aggie, or you heard these rumors from such Aggies. I’ll hand it to you, my heart skipped a beat before the logical side of my brain took over. You got me for a millisecond.
by burntorangejuice on Dec 4, 2011 9:58 AM CST reply actions
Recruits and/or coaches overrated? Both, either, neither?
Maybe what’s his name at Wisonsin – Chryst – was right to spurn Mack’s offer to be our OC. Was it the lack of player talent or rot at the top, or something else entirely… too many cigar butts?
7-5 is the lower end of acceptable, for a rebuilding year, and the lower end of my expectations for the year – I saw from 7-5 up to 9-3 as being reasonable this season, but with the proviso that we see progress. After such a disappointing ending, I’m not ready to evaluate progress, other than to categorize it as “some” but perhaps “not as much as we wanted”, not because of the injuries, because you can never rule them out, but rather because of the stupid mistakes we were still making at the end of twelve games… and the fact that we were 0 for 4 in QB development.
by Tex Long on Dec 4, 2011 9:59 AM CST reply actions
2 years ago, Tex long, you wouldn’t be saying we were not good at QB development considering the success we had with Colt.
Wood transferred and then Gilbert right behind him. We were left with 2 and one of them just wasn’t ready as a true freshman to take over for a big school like Texas.
Seriously? You guys are doubting our QB development skills based on a 19 year old kid not being ready to play against OU type of schools?
Obviously, we all know what happened with the QB situation so why are we rehashing that over and over again knowing fully well already what happened.
This may take a year or two to correct but in the meantime we have 3 excellent young RBs coming up and will take the pressure off of a young QB next year. What are the chances that all 3 of them get injured again next year? Pretty slim, probably, but it’s football and one never knows about injuries and that sort of thing.
by My name is nobody on Dec 4, 2011 10:08 AM CST reply actions
What a complete fucking disaster the Garrett Gilbert era has been. In deference to this kid and his father: we recruit RGIII as a WR; do not recruit Luck; allow Kinne to transfer; completely give up on Sherrod Harris; anything else?
I call BS on his “shoulder” injury and the transfer to SMU is a pussy move if there ever was one considering how the coaching staff bent over backwards for him. I don’t mean to absolve Mack of the blame here – but the transfer was just icing on the cake.
by trkhorn on Dec 4, 2011 10:16 AM CST reply actions
There are no Gray looking around rumors and the DT rumors were Malcom Brown and they were addressed weeks ago as being bogus.
Nice try, though, Groundhog day.
Why would somebody even post this kind of nonsense knowing fully well it’s not true?
by My name is nobody on Dec 4, 2011 10:19 AM CST reply actions
Thomas Johnson is well known to be looking around. There is another name out there who is a big time recruit. Speculation is Gray or it might be Estelle who has been shaky all along. Brown isn’t going anywhere as long as Cole is coming to Austin, but Ridgeway might be looking around.
by Groundhog Day on Dec 4, 2011 10:26 AM CST reply actions
Case came into the KSU game and made some plays, almost enough to win. The same situation with regards to injuries. The only difference was that he came into the game with 20 percent of the practice snaps instead of the 80 percent that Ash had.
You’re being a bunch of hypocritical bastards if you’re going to use that “Ash had to deal with more injuries” excuse, we all know deep down that it’s bullshit.
by Secret Squirrel on Dec 4, 2011 10:28 AM CST reply actions
Secret Squirrel, what does it matter? Case isn’t a good quarterback right now and lacks many of the tools that would enable him to ever become one.
The meltdown after a loss around here can be pretty amusing. “What if we lose one of our 4* recruits!!!!” We still have more than most anyone else. We find someone else and we develop guys. Objective expectations could go a long way towards cooling some of y’alls heart rates.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 4, 2011 10:32 AM CST reply actions
Enough with the pointless crotch rubbing this morning. The game is over and we lost. For whatever reason, our QB play was inconsistent this year. Despite Groundhog Day’s manbearpig overstatements about recruiting, we’ll have one of the best recruiting classes ever coming in next year. A lot of them will be enrolling early. Let’s see how we play in the bowl game and then how the pieces fit together in the spring. The amount of freshmen that played this year will pay huge dividends next fall.
Today we find out if the BCS can get it right and we find out who we play at our bowl game in 3 1/2 weeks.
by rawaustin on Dec 4, 2011 10:35 AM CST reply actions
BOJ, I’m not aggie. Pull your head out.
Clint, that’s pretty funny stuff. BG leaving the 40 will be a blessing but CS isn’t much better at the other safety spot. Thank goodness we told Ahmad Dixon to take a hike when he wanted to come back in the fold at the last minute. “No thanks, Ahmad, we get to have another coach on the field. Kendall Wright will stop his route at the 50 to look at BG’s chalkboard”.
The failure to run clock at the end of the half was a disastrous coaching error and that corner almost jumped the same exact play a couple of series earlier. McCoy is not the long term solution, we lack game breakers at the WR position and we are limited regarding our TE situation. The oline is still a work in progress, but I’ve seen drastic improvement.
Need to find a QB next year who can run our offense and keep the current class in place. It’s filthy.
by Groundhog Day on Dec 4, 2011 10:39 AM CST reply actions
We develop, guys? That’s a laugh. Mack needs the bluest of the blues to win. Not your average 4 stars. I’m talking USA Today All Americans. I could give two shits if they lose a Thomas Johnson it’s someone like Gray or Estelle or Jones that would piss me off. Now it’s possible that the new staff can develop.
We also must, I repeat must find a QB solution for next season. However, we do it I don’t care. we will be better defensively next year. I see a significant upgrade in the secondary and don’t think we will see a dropoff at LB as I think Hicks will step up along with other talented players.
These last two years are not acceptable at Texas. The first back to back losing seasons in conference play since 1938. Not even McWilliams and Mackovic accomplished that feat. Remember we used to bitch about seasons like 2003 when we went 10-3 but we always pointed to next year because of talent? This does not mean I’m not calling for Mack’s head, but he needs to get this together quickly.
by Groundhog Day on Dec 4, 2011 10:51 AM CST reply actions
The possible short term answer to let other QB’s on the roster mature.
http://espn.go.com/blog/notre-dame-football/post/_/id/3041/staying-or-going-dayne-crist
by Groundhog Day on Dec 4, 2011 10:59 AM CST reply actions
You are right Groundhog day, we’ve never developed any 3* guys and our players leave more or less as good as they were before they came. You have no idea what you are talking about.
And we might tap the brakes a little on believing next years’ defense is better. Losing Vaccaro, Acho, Robinson, and Randall is going to sting a little.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 4, 2011 11:10 AM CST reply actions
Is this the same Crist that was benched for being a turnover machine?
Better get right on that.
by goldenbohls on Dec 4, 2011 11:16 AM CST reply actions
Nickel-
I was just trying to get the point across that NEITHER QB has all the tools. I am just surprised by how Ash is absolved of any and all criticism for what he’s not bringing to the table. Some posters here make it seem like Ash hasn’t made the same mental mistakes, same throwing off his back foot, and same problems with accuracy.
by Secret Squirrel on Dec 4, 2011 11:29 AM CST reply actions
Colt McCoy. For every 3 star you point to I can point to others who were disappointments either because of the scheme they were placed in or they didn’t maximize their potential in college because they weren’t forced to. And I’m not talking about guys who were highly ranked who were not properly evaluated? Do you remember Jermichael Finley? I remember one half of football he played at Texas. How about Marcus Wilkins? Reed Boyd says hi.
Golden,
I’m not saying he is the answer, but it’s worth a shot for a year. He wasn’t given much of a chance this year, but he has fought through injuries, is very talented, and can sling the ball around. He had some weird things happen to him in his brief playing time this year. It’s possible he and Kelly didn’t get along and a change is best for everyone.
by Groundhog Day on Dec 4, 2011 11:34 AM CST reply actions
The Estelle looking around myth has been busted, too, douche.
I’ll give you the Thomas Johnson looking rumors, but everything else you posted is bullshit and you know it. Gray is one of our better recruiters so why again is he looking elsewhere?
Not sure what your gain is from posting these empty rumors if you are not a fucking aggy.
by My name is nobody on Dec 4, 2011 11:36 AM CST reply actions
name calling is not necessary nobody you fucking asshole. You’re a real big man! I’m not saying its gray, but I’m saying there is a big time recruit who has been encouraged to look around on the offensive side of the ball and it’s not Jones or Brewer as I’ve been told. Speculation abounds on who it is and no its not Thomas Johnson. It’s a new development. The coaches think they keep everyone in the fold, but its something to watch. Look at my posting history, fuckface, before calling me an aggy.
by Groundhog Day on Dec 4, 2011 11:57 AM CST reply actions
Please stop using the we developed 3*s before excuse. I think we all know Colt is the exception that proves the rule in player development aroun here.
We will absolutely be better on D with Gideon gone next year. I don’t think that’s even in question. However, QB is and remains a blackhole. I did not see improvement from this team against Baylor and that I’d a major cause for concern. We have not gotten better.
by Mysterious Package on Dec 4, 2011 12:02 PM CST reply actions
“We develop, guys? That’s a laugh. Mack needs the bluest of the blues to win. Not your average 4 stars. I’m talking USA Today All Americans.”
That’s what you said, Groundhog day. You were, easily, called out for being full of it. Then you say,
“For every 3 star you point to I can point to others who were disappointments either because of the scheme they were placed in or they didn’t maximize their potential in college because they weren’t forced to. And I’m not talking about guys who were highly ranked who were not properly evaluated? Do you remember Jermichael Finley? I remember one half of football he played at Texas. How about Marcus Wilkins? Reed Boyd says hi.”
The point concerned the question, do we develop players? The answer is obviously yes. You are pretending as though the question was, “does every player recruited to UT become as good as was though possible.” Which is a stupid question to ask.
Your intellectual dishonesty is impressive. Bait and switch, we aren’t falling for it.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 4, 2011 12:05 PM CST reply actions
Ground hog,
Actually, you are being the asshole here and I really am a real big man.
I love being called fuckface by fuckfaces starting nonsense rumors on bulletin boards.
Marcus Johnson may have just committed so there goes your sky is falling bs.
So, really, what is the point of your posting recruits are looking around?
by My name is nobody on Dec 4, 2011 12:08 PM CST reply actions
Namecalling stops now or this thread gets shut down.
by srr50 on Dec 4, 2011 12:17 PM CST reply actions
Groundhog Day,
I don’t know if you scanned my post too quickly to register the “, or …” part of my statement, or (here’s another one) if you took it too seriously. Either way, my head is not in any place from which it needs removing. Thanks, anyway.
by burntorangejuice on Dec 4, 2011 12:18 PM CST reply actions
srr50,
Probably for the best. Losses seem to bring out the inner 14-year-old-that-doesn’t-know-how-to-handle-the-sudden-surge-of-testosterone in some those among us.
by burntorangejuice on Dec 4, 2011 12:21 PM CST reply actions
I like where the D is headed, and I feel like we made some real progress under Manny. The only flaming bag of shit was right where we all thought it would be when the season started, and it was personnel rather than coaching. Better things ahead there, imo.
My main question right now is whether Mack is (still?) meddling with the O’s tactical implementations. It kinda looks like it, and if it’s true, then we have to wonder how we get him to switch completely to hands-off mode. Maybe we get Jobu to slip a little sumpen into his pregame Dr. Pepper.
QB problems are there for all to see – interpretations vary. The overriding problem is a history of shitty recruiting. The apparent main cause of that is still in charge, although he may have mended his ways.
RB suffered from the same stupid recruiting, but we look to have that ship righted and headed for sunnier climes.
We have serious problems in the outside receiving corps, still. That may be a talent issue, but it may also be a coaching issue. I dunno, but I’d like to see some discussion. The TE portion of the problem is obvious, and I’m having a hard time believing it isn’t on the position coach.
The OL… still a problem, but appears to be getting better. All the penalties hurt, but the false starts are the ones to worry about. The holding penalties… what can you say? Someone pointed out that we got ten holding calls all year, and eight of those came in two games (KU and BU), and those two games were called by the same officiating crew. Coincidence?
Granted, as most seem to believe, without the injuries, we’re likely at least two more wins to the good… but, as many have pointed out, football is a violent game, and planning to have no injuries is beyond stupid and into insanity.
by Tex Long on Dec 4, 2011 12:22 PM CST reply actions
I happen to disagree, Nickel. We had trouble running the ball with back to back top 5 picks in the NFL win Leonard Davis and Mike Williams. I will give you that we found diamonds in the rough the Achos (also recruited by USC), Ogbonnaya, and Brian Robison, but it’s tough to find anymore diamonds in the rough than that. And for every one we have found we have had many more Taylor Bibles and John Chiles’. However, it’s all subjective. Not to mention all the talent and diamonds in the rough we have missed on since the staff got fat and happy post 2006.
Nobody, there is no need to engage you. The rumor is real. I don’t know if its Gray, but its somebody of significance on the offensive side of the ball. Whether its something that actually happens is a whole other matter.
by Groundhog Day on Dec 4, 2011 12:27 PM CST reply actions
Srr50,
Sorry for the name calling on my end. I just don’t like people posting this kind of stuff and not sure their motives.
I know better than to come here after a loss.
by My name is nobody on Dec 4, 2011 12:28 PM CST reply actions
Groundhog said “its worth a shot.”
I agree its worth a shot. Bring in a transfer, especially one that is eligible this fall. Beat the jc bushes for a winner with talent. Find a greyshirt here in Texas who would give the old left nut to be a longhorn. Work McAsh hard during bowl pract
by goldenbohls on Dec 4, 2011 12:31 PM CST reply actions
I know better than to come here after a loss.
Do you? Apparently not.
by Tex Long on Dec 4, 2011 12:31 PM CST reply actions
I apologize, Srr. No more namecalling here. I like to have nice dialogue without the name calling. Proceed.
I also apologize to BOJ although I didn’t name call and to Nobody as he knows not what he says.
by Groundhog Day on Dec 4, 2011 12:31 PM CST reply actions
continued-
during bowl practices and give them plenty of homework over the semester break. Get Brewer in here in January, Overstreet if he has that chance.
Make everyone work and compete. Find the guy and coach him.
by goldenbohls on Dec 4, 2011 12:34 PM CST reply actions
We didn’t struggle to run the ball because Williams and Davis weren’t talented.
Hard to find more diamonds in the rough? You ever seen the classes OSU, Missouri, OU, Texas A&M, TCU, SMU, LSU, Notre Dame, and Nebraska pull from Texas?
There are a lot of 3 and 4 star guys Texas misses or can’t sign who become All-conference or NFL players somewhere else. My point is that if we lose a top recruit, there are a lot of other guys out there that could be more than serviceable if we are willing to look for them and recruit.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 4, 2011 12:35 PM CST reply actions
Actually, Groundhog, I know more than you give me credit for and you are still insulting even if you are not calling names.
There are rumors every year. Always has been always will be. You still haven’t answered my question as to what your point is.
And, yes, Tex Long, apparently I don’t know any better.
by My name is nobody on Dec 4, 2011 12:37 PM CST reply actions
Bringing in a Juco with everyone else is fine but the most likely player to be the answer at QB next year is Ash unless Brewer is supremely cerebral and mature. Possible. I haven’t even watched the kid.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 4, 2011 12:41 PM CST reply actions
Bring in a transfer, especially one that is eligible this fall.
Dunno about the JuCo QBs, but there looks to be several possibilities as far as the Graduates who still have a year left but don’t want to stay where they are, either because they’re not welcome or the team suscks, or they’re not NFL prospects or want/need another year to get NFL-ready. Some to choose from Notre Dame, Oregon State, even… Baylor (yeah, he could xfer to The University and play next season – not that Briles would okay it, even if G3 wanted to, but it’s an entertaining prospect, yeah?).
Sure, graduate transfer is a stretch – Oregon’s jailhouse QB went to Ole Miss and flopped – but it’s a possibility (worked for Wiscy pretty good, dinnit?), and we’re in enough trouble at QB that we probably don’t want to overlook any possibilities.
by Tex Long on Dec 4, 2011 12:50 PM CST reply actions
I have no motives, nobody, other than for the Longhorns to be a truly dominant football program and 2 CC in 14 years with all the talent we have had roll through Austin isn’t good enough. Don’t take this as a fire Mack thread because I really like his new assistants and the new class coming in looks filthy with instant playmakers. That being said, the rumor is worth watching.
Name a true frosh QB who has excelled. I can’t think of one which means we should all give ash some more time, but I don’t know if he is the answer. I know McCoy isn’t so that’s why I think we take a flyer on someone who is talented who had some weird things happen to him and was given a quick hook by a coach who didn’t recruit him and who raised some eyebrows when he degraded the other coach’s recruits.
by Groundhog Day on Dec 4, 2011 12:54 PM CST reply actions
And, yes, Tex Long, apparently I don’t know any better.
Masochism, imo. Some people are gruntled by pounding nails into their [REDACTED].
by Tex Long on Dec 4, 2011 12:55 PM CST reply actions
So who’s going to address the fact that Twitter is a’ Tweetin’ with rumors of Mack getting pushed out. Sports by Brooks is at it again.
by UT07 on Dec 4, 2011 12:57 PM CST reply actions
I’d love to believe Brewer is Texas’ football messiah and he along with the new freshman talent coming in at WR that our passing game woes will vanish and our offense will be all world again. There’s a whole list of equally asinine hopes that I would also like to believe that logic kicks squarely in the nuts and brings me back to reality.
I live in AZ. College football here doesn’t begin to approach the intensity of high school football in Texas. Brewer may have all the tangibles and intangibles, but he’s going to need time to adjust to the speed and intensity of the college game. And it’s not like he’s playing for Arizona or ASU, QBing at the University of Texas is in a whole other world of expectation and pressure, just reference some of the idiotic comments on game day threads. If he doesn’t get a redshirt year then our coaching staff needs a collective kick in the nuts, and there’s a really good chance our QB problems are going to continue for a while.
by AZHorn on Dec 4, 2011 1:00 PM CST reply actions
AZHorn,
I agree 1000% that we need to redshirt Brewer, but if Case/Ash dont improve then I think he will play if he shows he has the ability.
IMO they should have redshirted McCoy last year and Ash this year with all of the QB’s we had on the roster, how can you have 4 and not have any is beyond me.
by VA Horn on Dec 4, 2011 1:10 PM CST reply actions
It would be tricky to redshirt Brewer. We would need Ash to win the job outright and have confidence that the drop off to Case wouldn’t be season-ruining if Ash got hurt.
It’s possible, since we should have 3 really good RB’s on campus, but I’m betting we give Brewer a chance to crack the depth chart first before we try and redshirt. Unless Ash becomes Montana over the summer.
by Nickel Rover on Dec 4, 2011 1:15 PM CST reply actions
Unless Ash becomes Montana over the summer.
He doesn’t need to become Montana… McElroy would prolly be good enough.
by Tex Long on Dec 4, 2011 1:26 PM CST reply actions
UT,
I’m responsible for those Mack Brown rumors!
by Groundhog Day on Dec 4, 2011 1:31 PM CST reply actions
Assuming everyone signs as expected, this will be a run-dominant team next year. At least 3 quality running backs, an OL that will have a full year under the new system — and it has already shown dramatic improvement in run blocking compared to the past few years.
Combine that with a defense that is nails — and a decidedly easier schedule then I can see us trying to run a “mini-Bama” offense. Run, run, run, play action, and have a QB that stays out of the way most of the time.
Therefore I believe we might try to establish a starter (preferably Ash) have the other as a backup who gets game snaps to stay involved, redshirt Brewer and play Overstreet (Wildcat with a real passing option IMO).
Brewer is the first QB that has been selected by Harsin for his system. Harsin has been making do with what he was left with, and for the long term future of the program it is vitally important that Brewer get a redshirt year to assimilate into the system and to college ball.
You also put a year between Overstreet and Brewer.
by srr50 on Dec 4, 2011 1:43 PM CST reply actions
srr50, that’s what I’m talkin’ about. While I’d really really like to see Brewer ‘shirt, if it turns out he’s the only guy that can make the pre-snap reads AND throw an accurate ball, then we gotta do what we gotta do. If ’shirting Brewer is a very major goal, then yes, indeed, we do have to look earnestly for a transfer (JuCo, Grad, or in-house).
by Tex Long on Dec 4, 2011 1:48 PM CST reply actions
IIRC, last year’s spring game was pretty indicative of what the QB situation ended up being. GG = still frustrated. Case = flashes of talent with plenty of WTF? moments. I don’t remember they others. Perhaps we’ll get to see what Brewer can do this spring vs. the other guys. Is Overstreet going to enroll early also?
by rawaustin on Dec 4, 2011 1:54 PM CST reply actions
It appears we have the pieces in place to be a very sound team with the exception of the most F-ing important piece. Grad transfers, Juco’s and Scott Bakula are all welcome. As much as I hate to admit it, the gooners over turned a juco stone and found a Heupel. And a MNC, much to my amazement and chagrin.
Leave no stone unturned and all lanes on the talent acquisition highway must remain open.
by Clint Longley on Dec 4, 2011 1:54 PM CST reply actions
How many games will the boo birds give DAsh to develop next year?
by Flash on Dec 4, 2011 2:26 PM CST reply actions
Dayne Crist is getting a release from ND. Just sayin’.
by Blaze Pascal on Dec 4, 2011 2:32 PM CST reply actions
Dayne Crist is getting a release from ND. Just sayin’.
People should go look at his stats. They’re not bad. Someone above mentioned a lot of turnovers, but that’s not true. In 17 games as a starter he had 16 TDs and 9 INTs. I’d take that over what we’ve had. All we need is a game manager and he seems capable.
BTW what I read is that Notre Dame has given him permission to talk to other schools, but he has yet to request or recieve his release. It’s a formality I’m sure.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Dec 4, 2011 3:36 PM CST reply actions
@Mysterious…. he’s gone! Turner and Evans both have more speed and depth perception. We win over the good ol’ boy club on that one.
‘Whats the word on Mack and UT addressing all the talk about him leaving? Someone told me there would be a presser about it?
by bHero on Dec 4, 2011 4:33 PM CST reply actions
The Ash experiment is over! You guys with mancrushes on him need to stop dreaming. If they aren’t using him now they never will. He is flat terrible. It is obvious that the coaches cannot trust him.
by pete on Dec 4, 2011 4:49 PM CST reply actions
It would be much better to redshirt Brewer next year. Ash would have benefited tremendously from a redshirt year and got hurt by having to play this year before he had a chance to get acclimated. Very, very few true frosh QBs are ready to play Big 12 QB. Most QBs are not ready to play Big 12 QB until their junior or senior year. Texas has gotten into a vicious cycle of playing QAs before they are ready. This cycle has to be broken.
There are transfer possibilities. For example, Jacob Karam, the 2nd string QB for Tech this year, is transferring. He is a dual purpose QB with two years of eligibility left. He has been in the Tech QB system (an outstanding training program for QBs) for 3 years. He knows how to find receivers rapidly. He can buy time with his feet (4.55 40). He is well beyond Ash and Case. He can buy time for the program to permit the younger QB prospects to grow And mature.
Unless Case somehow improves his arm strength a bunch it will be quite difficult to call plays for him because there are so many throws he cannot make.
Ash has the physical tools but it is far from certain that he will be ready for prime time next year.
by Kafka on Dec 4, 2011 5:16 PM CST reply actions
Writing off a true freshman thrown into play before he was ready is beyond stupid.
by srr50 on Dec 4, 2011 7:40 PM CST reply actions
There are transfer possibilities. For example, Jacob Karam, the 2nd string QB for Tech this year, is transferring.
My understanding is he will be a graduate and meet the NCAA exception that allows him to transfer without sitting out a year. However, the Big12 also has a restriction that requires losing another year of eligibility if transferring within the conference. Is he exempt from that also? I remember a reciever transferring from Colorado in the Mackovic days and he lost 2 years as a result (I think one of them may have been his redshirt).
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Dec 4, 2011 8:12 PM CST reply actions
Ash is our furture QB, Case will transfer – Brewer will be our backup.
Ou QB position won’t be steller but will be pedestrian. This will be good enough because we will run the football like no one has seen in years.
by Snide Aside on Dec 4, 2011 8:20 PM CST reply actions
NYB, that was Ryan Nunez, a Westlake RB/WR that we’d have been better off having stay in Boulder. Nunez single-handedly led to 8-10 turnover from balls that he tried to catch but missed, but that he still punched up in the air for an opponent to intercept.
by rawaustin on Dec 4, 2011 8:32 PM CST reply actions
Pete,
C’mon man. You might as well pop up and just write, “I have nothing worthwile to add here, so just ignore any future posts I write.”
by burntorangejuice on Dec 4, 2011 8:44 PM CST reply actions
NYB, that was Ryan Nunez, a Westlake RB/WR that we’d have been better off having stay in Boulder. Nunez single-handedly led to 8-10 turnover from balls that he tried to catch but missed, but that he still punched up in the air for an opponent to intercept.
Yeah, Ryan Nunez is who I was thinking of, though I didn’t remember specifics of his on field performance.
I still wonder though if Big12 intratransfer restrictions would still apply to someone like Karam and cost him a year. If so I can’t see him coming here over going somewhere OOC.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Dec 4, 2011 8:47 PM CST reply actions
rawaustin,
You are clueless. Ryan Nunez was a solid, better than average WR for us. That’s common knowledge for any Texas fan over the age of 20. Cite specific examples or better yet, since Nunez has nothing to do with this thread, STFU.
SRR please lock this thread now.
by trkhorn on Dec 4, 2011 10:13 PM CST reply actions
NYB,
I think you are right (or at least that was the rule and is still the rule as far as I know). The player can appeal the one year sit out period but is not guaranteed to win the appeal. It seems strange that the Big 12 would have a rule that encourages Big 12 players to leave the conference. How does that make sense?
by Kafka on Dec 4, 2011 11:26 PM CST reply actions
well… I’ve had a little time to reflect on Saturday’s game, and since I desire to always be a “glass half-full” kind of guy, here’s what I’ve settled on:
This really, really, really had to hurt for the aggies. They had to watch McCoy vs. Baylor and think – “that guy beat us!!!”
Let’s hope a bunch of bowl practices and another year helps make things slow down a little for Ash, and let’s reload for next year. To me, at least, this year was all about process rather than record, and on the whole I’m pleased. We have some huge holes, for sure (has any bust hurt us as much on peripheral decisions as Gilbert? And that’s not a slam on him, btw, I still hope the best for him, and I hate that things turned out so badly.). But we also have some really bright spots, and good things to look forward to. I’m much more optimistic than I was a year ago.
by The Bobs on Dec 4, 2011 11:58 PM CST reply actions
Goodness, seems like a lot of you do not recognize that it is not me that has given up on Ash, but the coaches. Hard to imagine that some of you have ever been laid since you cannot pick up on major signals. Sorry, Ash is never going to be what you try to imagine. He has never done diddly and never will.
You cannot send a duck to eagle school.
by pete on Dec 5, 2011 9:23 AM CST reply actions
Dayne Crist. I’ll be disappointed if we do not talk to him. Apparently others think he’s good enough to warrant a conversation. He is not a turnover machine like some alluded to. He’s a kid who oozes talent who happened to have some bad luck during his career. We should be talking to him. He’s big, athletic, great arm, and is experienced. It is worth the conversation.
by Groundhog Day on Dec 6, 2011 8:22 AM CST reply actions
I am actually eager of viewing humorous video clips at youtube, and this video clip is in fact so humorous, hehehhe.
by poker on Dec 10, 2011 11:42 PM CST reply actions
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