Texas To The Holiday Bowl

Back in the days of the SWC if you weren’t in a New Years Day bowl you wanted to be in the Sun Bowl because they treated the participating teams (and their traveling party) like Kings.

These days the Holiday Bowl is in that class.

At this rate, we will have played all the original Pac-10 teams in the Holiday Bowl at least once by 2021.

But it beats staying at home for another bowl season. That was dreadful.

Cal hates us for the 2004 Rose Bowl team…please please please no revenge wins!

Hopefully the outcome is not the same as the 2000 Holiday Bowl.

Already got my flight and hotel. My first longhorn bowl game.

How is VTech in a BCS bowl game? Who the hell did they beat this year and they got blown out by Clemson twice?

ACC gets two in BCS and Big 12 gets 1? Great fucking system!

No way. The big 12 got fucked sideways if so!

How is VTech in a BCS bowl game? Who the hell did they beat this year and they got blown out by Clemson twice?

It is about two things: A) finding matchups that please ESPN and B) finding matchups that have a chance of selling tickets and filling up hotel rooms.

I suppose Va. Tech is a better draw than Kanas State for ESPN, and I suppose Va. Tech will sell as many tickets as Kansas State would.

VT getting into a BCS bowl ahead of Kansas State and Baylor is a travesty. I think the Wildcats and especially RGIII & da Bears would carve up the Hokies like turkeys, even more so than Clemson did. Combined with OSU being left out of the championship game means the Big 12 was jobbed and robbed this year. Thank goodness it wasn’t Texas this time around, but that’s small consolation to anyone.

Michigan instead of K-State.

Who the fuck is our commissioner? He has no standing with his peers for this to happen. Fire his ass yesterday.

Cal hates us for the 2004 Rose Bowl team…please please please no revenge wins!

The Cal fans hate us for that. The players were trying to get laid for the first time as Sophomores in high school. I doubt they even know about 2004, or care if someone tells them.

That sugar bowl matchup is a joke. I don’t have as a big a problem with Michigan as I have with VTech. That is a fucking joke.

The commissioner doesn’t have a damn thing to do with this.

The Bowl System is corrupt and as long as they control the post season we will not have a playoff and we will not have the most attractive matchups — in terms of quality of play.

I’ll take the Holiday Bowl…good bowl. Much better for the players than the bowl in Houston or San Antonio in terms of preparing them for a BCS-type atmosphere.

Now, let’s get healthy, let’s get Ash, and let’s go 8-5.

Hook ’em!

What year was it that Akers’ team was utterly destroyed by Iowa in the Holiday Bowl?

And…my take on the rematch.

LSU can have a slow start against the 3rd and 4th best teams in the SEC, and be down 10-0, just as they were in their last two games. They could have a slow start against ’Bama and be down 13-0, 7-0, or 3-0.

If they start slow against a team like OSU, they could be down 21-0. Not saying that they wouldn’t be able to come back (I happen to think LSU is far and away the best team in the nation), but it would be better than a rematch.

Also, if Saban wins a third MNC, I may no longer watch any other college football game except games that Texas plays.

I have lost a lot of faith in college football in the last three years. And imagine how Auburn fans feel!

Hook ’em!

It was independence bowl (55-7)

Cal revenge? Their current players were in junior high then. Cal should remember their own bowl game that year when TT steam rolled their ass.

It was actually the Freedom Bowl after the 1984 season.

Mack’s going nowhere.

Mediocre seasons for the foreseeable future.

Holiday Bowl.

Meh.

What year was it that Akers’ team was utterly destroyed by Iowa in the Holiday Bowl?

Freedom Bowl — Hayden Fry had Chuck Long throwing all night (he was still pissed at Texas from his days at SMU). The Bowl no longer exists.

im excited for the holiday bowl.

Barking carnival tailgate??

also when the hell did they decide not to have bowl games on new years day???

also when the hell did they decide not to have bowl games on new years day???

It’s a Sunday and the last regular week of play in the NFL — no one wanted that slot.

Pete, the calendar may have as much to do with it as anything, as 1/1/12 is a Sunday. And Sunday means NFL. Even if the football is shitty and boring.

The players, if I remember correctly, are allowed a per mile travel reimbursement from their home to the bowl game and back. They prefer the Holiday Bowl due to the distance and amount of reimbursement allowed by the NCAA. Is that still the case?

Get healthy, Horns, and Hook ’em!

We need a 64 team playoff, so that the Longhorns could (maybe) qualify.

If someone told you on Friday that Case McCoy would throw for more yards than RG III and throw more TD passes than RG III and that Texas would have over 200 yds rushing, you would have thought Texas would beat Baylor in a walk. Well they lost by 24, something about 6 turnovers does those kind of things. 38 point difference on saturday.

Thought commissioners were on the board of the BCS

I cannot believe that Texas fans can remain quiet with this coach. The QB situation is terrible and will not get any better in the near future. Ash is average and McCoy is not a Div 1 QB. Cody Hawkins who played for Colorado was terrible but had a better arm. Getting destroyed by Oklahoma should be have been enough. Now Mack has three terrible defeats to Oklahoma. He has won two conference championships. Yawn. Do not tell me about the great assistants we have. Let’s see OSU, Baylor, and OU scored at will against us. We need a head coach who knows how to compete.

BrickHorn -

Your pro-Bowl / anti-Playoff manifesto was supposed to be on my desk a year ago!

Thought commissioners were on the board of the BCS

The BCS is set up to get #1 vs. #2 and then to protect the individual bowl committees to let them pick as they see fit.

The BCS board has no say in who goes where.

Your pro-Bowl / anti-Playoff manifesto was supposed to be on my desk a year ago!

Better late than never:

“Why I like bowl games,” by BrickHorn.

I like bowl games. I don’t like playoffs. Why?, you may ask. The answer is simple. Heredity and environment have conspired to structure my neurons in such a way that, when given the choice between a bowl system and a playoff system, I choose the former.

The end.

“I cannot believe that Texas fans can remain quiet with this coach.”

Nor can I.

We’ve been talking about Mack being tired for years and have Been shouted-down.

Now we have, per JS, Mack admitting as much, and no one even blinks.

Are you folks just resigned to this Groundhog Day crap ad infinitum?

1. Enter season with high hopes due to practice reports.
2. Squeak by a few wins.
3. Lose big to OU and fall out of contention for division championship, much less conference or national championship.
4. Win a few gimmes.
5. Lose a late game we shouldn’t.
6. Dominate a bowl game and get pumped about NEXT season.
7. Repeat.

How many more years of this inemma are you people prepared to take. Being a good fan doesn’t mean we keep swallowing this stuff, aw shucks. Why accept years of mediocrity in the name of great recruiting and revenues? I promise you, mediocrity on the field year after year can not continue to yield either.

You people who are realizing that the emperor has no clothes should say so. Those of you who chose to continue drinking the Kool-aid and being good little fans, fine — just stop complaining when some of us tell it like it is. The truth hurts, but it is the only ing that will save us from years of continued mediocrity.

A few B12 teams have gone bowling at the expense of some better teams over ticket guarantees and ratings history. A bowl is an exhibition with the primary purpose of making money for the host city. Amazing how quickly people forget that fundamental fact. Would Austin host a bowl for any two teams assigned to it by a central committee? Hell no.

Sugar might be doing Big 10 a favor after Delaney made sure OSU players were eligible for last years game. Gave mich a team they could beat. Over va tech I would have rather seen k st., Boise, Baylor, TCU…

Zzzizzy,

Many on here have said and done what we can. I cancelled my season tickets for reasons you listed and some you didn’t.

Savage Henry, that is a very sad thing. There are many others, some staunch past Mack supporters, who have done the same. It is painful to see this happen. I just hope the message is heard before really long-term damage is done to the program.

Doesn’t matter whether players remember games or not…coaches will use it for motivation. You don’t think if we make a title game in say 2015 vs Bama, the coaches don’t use 2009 as motivation? You would be amazed what can be used for motivation. So don’t count it out.

VT must have given somebody a little under the table action, money or otherwise, because they don’t deserve a BCS bid. That, to me, is the biggest shocker. I think both KState and Baylor would roll VT.

“You would be amazed what can be used for motivation.”

The key to Texas’ 2007 Holiday Bowl win over Arizona State was the coaches preaching that Sun Devil QB Rudy Carpenter had a cousin at Wofford.

The Bowl System is corrupt and as long as they control the post season we will not have a playoff and we will not have the most attractive matchups — in terms of quality of play.

Yes, and we’re partners in a network (no one can see) with the most corrupt player in this entire fiasco.

Anyone know what sections are designated for Texas fans?

Yea get rid of Mack. Maybe we will get another Makovic or Akers or ….. any other of the 95% of coachesout there that can’t win and manage a system at a school the size of Texas. And don’t start naming all the great coaches out there now. None of them are changing schools just to come to Texas.

And if you aren’t buying tickets, coming early, staying late, being loud, buying mechandise, and donating – then shut the hell up until you support the team.

I don’t want a playoff (imagine an entire world of Colin Cowherds and Jim Romes, screeching about the guy/team that “can’t get over/win the big one”; imagine even more cheating than we have now), and I preferred the wheeler dealer Hoss Brock model to the structured tie-ins. And ESPN. Fuck ESPN. They put on a bad product. They will spend 75% of bowl air time talking about LSU-Alabama, and that’s just while the clock is running. Halftime will feature the increasingly pitiful choreography between Lou Holtz and Mark May. ESPN was cool when they showed Austrailian Rules Football, now it’s just Disney dreck.

As for the game, we need #8, and I think we get it. Which means bet big on Cal, as I always think we’re going to lose.

Um, Longhorn til Death, just fyi, not everybody out there can afford the ridiculous ticket prices Daddy DeLoss is charging these days, or the $30 T-shirts and $120 jerseys being peddled on the Drag, and not everybody can even make it to Austin for home games. Those of us that fall into that category sure as hell don’t need morons like you telling us to shut up until we “support the team.” UT got a shit-ton of money from me while I was a student, and I’ve been supporting the team since before Earl Campbell was flattening SWC linebackers, so take your high and mighty bullshit on down the road.

Blindly throwing money at the athletic dept. is how you support them? Interesting. I went to every home game this year and bought all my tickets from scalpers. Over the course of the season I saved $450 off what I paid for season tickets last year. There’s something wrong there.

You Mack haters need to chill out. When the on-field performance starts affecting the recruiting, then we’ll talk about ousting Mack. Until then, let the man rebuild in peace.

And if you aren’t buying tickets, coming early, staying late, being loud, buying mechandise, and donating – then shut the hell up until you support the team.

I buy tickets, come early, stay late, yell loud, buy merchandise, and donate. That ends this year and I’ll still have an opinion to which I’m entitled. I would have fired Mack Brown at the end of 2003. We have a politician and snake oil salesman, not a football coach. We’re paying him $5 million a year to kiss ass and shake hands. So fuck him and fuck you.

Just what I figured a bunch of low hards full of hot air.

Anybody know if the Holiday Bowl sells out when we go? I can’t go to CA from Houston but would like to recoup some of my season ticket cost and donation if I can sell them.

You will never resell those tix. The Holiday follows the bowl formula of sticking each team’s fans in the corners of the end zones, while the space between the 20s is sparsely populated by chamber of commerce people and UnderArmour reps and their PhARMA rep girlfriends.

Wow… never thought I’d see “horn” supporters act like a bunch of aggies…
By the way. Since the aggies got rid of RC whom was comparable to Mack in success (from an aggies perspective )& how’d that work out for em so far. We don’t need to go down that road.
I still remember the 70/80’s.

Nuf said
Hook’Em and Support’Em

Blues, you’re on a roll. This is good stuff. I loved your dig at LHN and Texas, but your second comment had me rolling on the floor only because it’s true. I’ve given up calling for Mack’s head. I’m just hoping his hires can coach and he can shake JGray’s hand and get the fuck out of the way.

Quick Question, name some 4 year starters from day 1 to the end of their careers at Texas?

Jet, we had shot at a NC in 77 and 83. The divisiveness in the fanbase and cheating in the stat led to the downfall of Akers followed up by two piss poor hires by Dodds that rivaled the two aggy hires after RC. So yes, I guess its comparable but the difference being they followed our script.

I respect the right of any Texas fan to criticize Mack, including demanding that he get fired. One problem with this is that it tends to hijack a thread. In the interest of thread hygiene, it would probably be a good idea for BC to have a post(s) where the merits of firing Mack could be debated without hijacking other non firing Mack oriented articles.

We still have one Texas game left this year and this is the first thread for that game. One interesting topic is what approach do Mack/Harsin take wrt QB for this game? Stick with Case as the starter with a package for Ash? Maybe play it by ear and see who looks better in practice?

There are 3.5 weeks until the game. Who will be healed up by then and who won’t be? I was really surprised that Malcolm suffered a knee injury in practice the week before the Baylor game. I would have thought that the focus would have been on healing Brown as much as possible.

Looks like Cal matches up well vs Texas in that they have a strong DL and a weak secondary.

“You Mack haters need to chill out. When the on-field performance starts affecting the recruiting, then we’ll talk about ousting Mack. Until then, let the man rebuild in peace.”

Rebuild implies we were “built” during the Mack reign. Sure, VY led us to a NC (and yes I know Mack recruited him), but if you think we’ve arrived under Mack, then you should assess your own expectations. I personally believe we should win the conference title at least as much as OU. If we can’t agree on that, it is no wonder we have different opinions as to the definition of success. I think it means winning, not feeling good about losing.

These days the Holiday Bowl is in that class.

That must be why Mack likes going there so often.

We have a politician and snake oil salesman, not a football coach. We’re paying him $5 million a year to kiss ass and shake hands. So fuck him and fuck you.

Amen, brother.

“Savage Henry said: December 4th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

Zzzizzy,

Many on here have said and done what we can. I cancelled my season tickets for reasons you listed and some you didn’t."

Yeah, that’ll show ’em!

I agree with jet. All of you saying you won’t support the university anymore because of the football coach DO sound like a bunch of aggies – and you’ve either never been students, or you’re shitty alumni, because in case you don’t recall, IT’S NOT ALL ABOUT FOOTBALL. It’s also about academics, research, grants, scholarships, a stellar faculty, etc…all of which are partially funded by alumni and the athletic department. Saying you’d pull your support from the university based on football is insane and immature. Grow up.

Wow, some of you must be bandwagon fans who don’t remember the football desert we suffered through in the late 80s and 90s. I mean SUFFERING every Thanksgiving because the Aggie butt-kicking was inevitable. I remember going to the Kansas game during Mackovick’s last year and the stadium was 40% full and we had the best RB in the country!

Mack revolutionized the football culture at Texas. He was one freak injury to Colt McCoy’s throwing arm away from a second National Championship…just 2 years ago.

I know all of you junior high ‘b’ teamers know how to run a top knotch football program…maybe you can tear yourself away from stalking the sideline of your 10 year old’s little league bball game one Sunday, doing your best Bobby Knight impression, to take a call from Mack and give him some pointers.

Anyone know of a place where I can get info on the next game without wading through the same tired fire Mack Brown debates? Do I really have to go back to shaggybevo for intelligent intercourse?

“IT’S NOT ALL ABOUT FOOTBALL. It’s also about academics, research, grants, scholarships, a stellar faculty, etc…all of which are partially funded by alumni and the athletic department.”

Great! Glad to know you can be happy without winning. I can’t.

“Wow, some of you must be bandwagon fans who don’t remember the football desert we suffered through in the late 80s and 90s”

So, because we exchanged one ass kicker in A&M for another one in OU, this should tickle us pink? This loser mentality among you Mack supporters is sickening.

Again, my definition of success is winning conference championships at least as many times as any other team in the conference. Your definition of success is losing with style a la the 10-win season. Mack DOES NOT win championships even on pace with OU. Therefore, we cannot win conference titles not to mention NC’s. And FYI, it is very likely that the sun has set on your 10-win seasons under Mack.

bevosbackside,

Intelligent intercourse can be expensive, although I have heard rumors about a ring of Columbia undergrads being run out of nice Midtown Mahattan hotels. Email sizzlechest.

I’d like to get back to the BC tailgate in San Diego and the enthusiasm shared by myself and PVogel…
DREW! You and Paul have plans to come down?
This will be my second after our last trip against ASU.

Those of you openly accepting second fiddle to OU should be ashamed and embarrassed. That is all.

If anyone could have won a championship without winning a conference it should have been Mack. We’ve had more chances at this than anyone in the country.

“[Mack] was one freak injury to Colt McCoy’s throwing arm away from a second National Championship…just 2 years ago.”

And a dropped interception in Lubbock from potentially playing in a third.

Mack should have been fired years ago. Yes, he’s a great recruiter, fund-raiser, schmoozer, etc., etc., but his one great failing is…THE MAN CAN’T COACH!! I’m a UT grad and have been a fan since Ed Price days—I’ve seen the good, the bad and the ugly—and I have to say that the Mack Brown regime has been the most disappointing, unsatisfying, and frustrating of them all. I’ve just about lost the Will-To-Watch-Football. And that’s bad.

The fact that the two best teams in the conference are from Oklahoma, and both are heavily stocked with players from Texas, borders on criminal. How the Love Mack fanbase can tolerate the horsefuckings from OU teams is just incomprehensible to me.

And the bozos who suggest that we would go back to Mackovic if Mack gets fired are fucking insane.

Cal? Thank God. This is a winnable game. We need Mack to end the year with a win so there’s no danger of him leaving. I lay awake at night thinking about Mack being replaced with an actual coach.
Luckily Dodds only cares about money. The rest of us are very thankful for that.

It’s awesome that Gideon (holding a football, nonetheless) is the picture of a Longhorn that the Holiday Bowl website decided to put up for advertisment.

My only real problem now about the Holiday Bowl is that it is on a Wednesday night, and I have to work the next day.

To clear this up I didn’t stop buying season tickets because Mack is the coach. I stopped buying season tickets because it’s a ripoff and the prices are double market value. I would urge everyone to stop wasting money by spending $85 for a ticket when they are $25 – $40 on ticket city and outside the stadium.

I’m also not for firing Mack. If we were going to do it we should have done it last year. He hired a really good staff, which allows him to do his clapping, glad handing and LHN duties and leave football to people who can coach it.

I also agree that his record against ou is enough to have gotten him fired years ago. He should call VY and thank him every night.

Thank you to for-profit diploma purveyor Bridgepoint Education – you may know them from “regionally accredited” juggernauts like Ashford University and University of the Rockies – for making this Holiday Bowl possible.

Makes me yearn for the days of Culligan water filters.

We just signed a 300M deal with an organization who is fundamentally opposed to a playoff. Do any of you find it silly to go on about corruption when we are taking their money?

Lot of hate on this thread, I can feel it soaking into my pores, cleansing and exfoliating at the same time. Thank you gentlemen, especially those who are getting mad at people for not upping their donations to the athletic department. Personally, I’m giving all my money to the Lunch Ladies from the Chopped episode this weekend. What a tear jerker!

I really don’t like this Cal match-up. It’s not that I’m particularly worried about them from a football perspective (although they supposedly have the best run defense in the Pac-12, I couldn’t tell you, for some reason watching a Cal game makes my eyes bleed); I am simply terrified of Cal fans having scoreboard on me while living out here in crazy town (SF).

Cal is slowly becoming my new aggy; they are like creepy mirror images. Cal is to crazy left wing what A&M is to evangelical right-wing radicalism. I thought it was all an exaggeration, the whole “hippy sitting in a tree,” “chicks with armpit hair” image. It’s not. A good friend of mine started in one of their Phd programs last year, and his transformation has been terrifying. He went from an upstanding upper-middle class young man with a penchant for cuff-links made with the ivory from the tusks of adolescent elephants to a leftist academic who disparages my affection for baby seal coats. It’s unbearable.

Quick Question, name some 4 year starters from day 1 to the end of their careers at Texas?

GD, the only player I remember off the top of my head who started every game for four years was Colt, and he redshirted.

I should have said “other than Blake Gideon.”

How about Earl Campbell, Steve McMichael, Peter Gardere, Lam Jones, Russell Erxleben

Zizzzzzy (“Sissy” with a lisp?) said -

“Again, my definition of success is winning conference championships at least as many times as any other team in the conference. Your definition of success is losing with style a la the 10-win season. Mack DOES NOT win championships even on pace with OU. Therefore, we cannot win conference titles not to mention NC’s. And FYI, it is very likely that the sun has set on your 10-win seasons under Mack.”

You need to broaden your definition of success. In case you’ve forgotten or didn’t know to begin with, Mack has exactly as many National Championships as OU and OSU combined during his tenure here. He has more conference championships than all but one team in the league. He has more wins than any other team in the league. All of this he does without players shooting off their mouths to the press (“I hate everybody from Texas!”), trading tattoos for merchandise, taking money from boosters, beating up their girlfriends, etc.

Do I wish we dominated OU every single year? Yes. Do I wish Mack would occasionally keep his foot on an opponent’s neck, instead of firing up the prevent offense in the fourth quarter? Yes. Do I wish Mack would occasionally fire off a few smarmy comments a la Bob Stoops during post-game pressers? Yes.

But to say the program – or Mack – is unsuccessful just makes you sound stupid. The man is one of the winningest active coaches in football. He leads the program with class and dignity, and much more often than not he fields a competitive squad. He’s had one losing season in, what, 14 years? And as soon as he did, he cleaned house and started over. What the fuck else do you want? In case your myopic view prevents you from seeing beyond the confines of DKR, I’ll let you in on a little secret: There ain’t a program or a coach out there who wins it all every single year. It’s understandable to WANT to win it all every year, but it isn’t realistic to expect it – no matter how big the institution or its budget.

Rex Interneti -

That last paragraph is awesome.

Sigh.

Good Lord, guys – it’s been a tough couple of days but come on. There’s a lot to be discussed and debated and both strong views and salty language are de rigeur, but we ARE going to do better than ‘fuck him and fuck you’ and the like. We’ll have some posts up today and tomorrow taking a look at this season and the short- and mid-term future of the program from a number of angles so everyone can hold forth on how they’d run this railroad.

adt2,

You have have the “magical” 10 win seasons and a soft coach who "wins with class’. We’ll keep on winning conference titles. Sounds like a fair trade-off eh?
Mack is a joke to everyone outside of Austin. I love the guy, as does Bob Stoops.

The fact that the two best teams in the conference are from Oklahoma, and both are heavily stocked with players from Texas, borders on criminal. How the Love Mack fanbase can tolerate the horsefuckings from OU teams is just incomprehensible to me.

And the bozos who suggest that we would go back to Mackovic if Mack gets fired are fucking insane.

+1

How about Earl Campbell…

Earl played behind Roosevelt Leaks his freshman year. I know because I was there.

Boomer Sooner,

Thanks for pointing out at everyone we play is happy as hell who we have for a coach. It’s worth noting although I wouldn’t trade him for the chinless wonder in Norman.

Pfffffttt…way to go Mack (dripping with sarcasm). Up to the latter half of this season I’ve never considered myself a “Mack Brown is done, we need a coaching change” kind of guy. I’ve got a foot in the door with that camp now.

Those of us in school in the fall of 1984 recall a painful year that began in January against Georgia in the Cottom Bowl: OU tie in the rain, losing to Baylor, and losing to A&M for start it$ run again Texas. It would be 1989 before Texas beat OU and 1990 vs A&M.

The absolute BEST line ever in the Daily Texan before the team left for the Freedom Bowl:

Something about “a famous Texas Ex (Janis Joplin) once sang a line that befits the Texas Longhorns as they prepare for Iowa in Anaheim: ’Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose…’”

Earl played behind Roosevelt Leaks his freshman year. I know because I was there.

C’mon Blues you are being disingenuous at best with that remark. Earl played in every game as a freshman in 1974, (Rosy missed a game with his knee) and he led the team in rushing attempts and rushing yards.

I know because I was there as well.

Steve, the original question was who started from day one for four years. Not even Earl Campbell started every game from day one, but Blake Gideon did.

First off, Mack has (until last year) delivered a NC, a chance for another, what should have been a chance in 2008 and a perrenial 10-win contender. Imo, he has earned the right to try to fix the program. If next year yields the same results as this year (stagnation) and/or recruiting begins to falter then I believe it’s probably time to at least consider other options at HC.

Having said that, we should not automatically assume that we will return to 84’-97’ type of years whenever Mack is gone. UT definitely has the resources to hire a coach that could continue and possibly even improve upon what Mack has done here.

I might further add that Roosevelt Leaks was a consensus All-American and finished third in the Heisman voting in 1973 as a Wishbone fullback. He was a senior and favored to win the Heisman in 1974, before he blew up his knee. Leaks and Campbell played the same position. Campbell would not have started if Leaks was healthy. Yes, he would have still played a lot, but that wasn’t the question.

Campbell would not have started if Leaks was healthy. Yes, he would have still played a lot, but that wasn’t the question.

Actually Blues, Darrell was planning on putting Earl at halfback in the Bone for 1974 — until Rosy got hurt in spring practice. He really envisioned having both on the field at the same time if healthy. When Rosy got hurt, Darrell expected Leaks to redshirt, and he decided on using Earl at what he thought was his natural position (FB) in the wishbone.

Rosy refused to redshirt and worked his tail off to get ready for his senior season. The coaching staff was really skeptical of his being ready, but he was determined not to sit out.

He went on to have a nice career in the NFL, so maybe the redshirt year wouldn’t have helped him all that much.

If you want a good cry, look up LSU’s depth chart.

All you Mack haters, the only thing shorter and of less use to you than your minds and memory is your baby maker. Most of you are nothing but a bunch of frustrated nerds that never put on the pads except for maybe mini-pads.

You are entitled to your opinions about Mack, but you are not entitled to your own set of facts on Mack’s accomplishments over the past 14 seasons.

The bottom line is Mack is not coaching to our standard and he let the program fall off a cliff post Young/McCoy. And the sad reality is our best years of success were more closely correlated to hitting it big with a few recruits than anything Coach Brown ever did. So when I see people get excited about recruiting classes I almost laugh.

And we sit here going into next year with no answer at QB which means another year of this. Bob Stoops would never let his program be bad for three years. Why? Because he is a better football coach than Brown.

Why do we not have Bob Stoops or his equivalent at Texas?

WUT IS THE FUHKIN DEEL HERE?!?! I KINT STAND NO FAYK SOONURS ON NO SHORT-HORNS INTERNET PAGE. “BOOMUR SOONUR” IS RILLY SUM HIPEE FROM AWSTIN.

I NOW UR FAYK BECUS AYNT NO REEL SOONUR GUNNA YOOS NO DAM COMPEWTUR. MY DUMASS CUZIN AT OSU TOLD ME ABOWT THIS AN IT TOOK ME TWELV OWERS TO FIGUR OUT HOW TO GET ON HERE AN CAWL YOO OWT.

DAM HIPEES.

My memory is that Leaks was moved to halfback and Earl replaced him, and started, at FB in ’74 as a freshman.

Rex Interneti sez:

“Cal is slowly becoming my new aggy; they are like creepy mirror images. Cal is to crazy left wing what A&M is to evangelical right-wing radicalism. I thought it was all an exaggeration, the whole "hippy sitting in a tree," "chicks with armpit hair" image. It’s not. A good friend of mine started in one of their Phd programs last year, and his transformation has been terrifying. He went from an upstanding upper-middle class young man with a penchant for cuff-links made with the ivory from the tusks of adolescent elephants to a leftist academic who disparages my affection for baby seal coats. It’s unbearable.”

wow. lots of original thought put into this post. or not.

“Savage Henry said: December 5th, 2011 at 7:02 am

To clear this up I didn’t stop buying season tickets because Mack is the coach. I stopped buying season tickets because it’s a ripoff and the prices are double market value. I would urge everyone to stop wasting money by spending $85 for a ticket when they are $25 – $40 on ticket city and outside the stadium."

I don’t know where you’re getting your numbers from but, for the record, I paid $395 per game for my season tickets, which works out to $65 per game for seats on the 35 yard line (which you aren’t gonna get for $25-40 until after kickoff if at all). I don’t think that is exorbitant nor is it “blindly throwing money at the AD” or a “ripoff”. There were two games I couldn’t attend and I sold those at a nice profit on UT StubHub and to srr 50’s son at face value, which was more than I paid for them (sorry, Steve).

Each to his own, but I’ve had my tickets since 1973, kept them through the lean years of Akers (at the end), McWilliams and Mackovic and I’m god damned sure not going to give them up now. I also prefer spending time with family and friends at a tailgate to patrolling the sidewalks haggling with scalpers prior to a game or searching for a parking spot ten blocks away. But that’s just me.

I’m with Kafka. Is there a fucking thread somewhere that we can discuss the fucking Holiday Bowl game on? I’m as upset as anyone about our QB situation and am ambivalent at best about what Mack decides to do but, Jesus shit a nail, can we give it a rest for a little while guys?

Jake,

I paid that last year X4 for my seats. I had parking across the street from DKR. I got great OU tickets every year because of my $2,600 donation and got tickets for the Bama MNC game. They’ve got plenty of my cash which is why this year I went a different direction. Through friends, ticket city or scalpers I went to every home game, never had a bad seat and never paid more than $40. I also never spent more than 15 minutes securing a seat. It’s not like that place is packed every week.

I know I’m a drop in the bucket for them and I’m not trying to make any point. It’s obvious because I never got a call or email to ask me if I was going to renew.

Gold Jacket… Green Jacket. Who gives a shit?

We continue to get our doors blown off by OU. How is that acceptable? It can not be. 10 win seasons are not our standard. That is an abitrary metric used by someone who cannot win a conference title.

“Does anybody remember laughter?” – Neil Young

Whatever, Henry. Sorry you got ripped of al those years.

That would be off all those years.

…about that Revenge for 2004 Rose Bowl stuff I keep hearing….

hate to tell you all, but these kids don’t care. Many were still in junior high when it happened.

Actually Blues, Darrell was planning on putting Earl at halfback in the Bone for 1974 — until Rosy got hurt in spring practice. He really envisioned having both on the field at the same time if healthy.

I’ll concede the point on Earl. I think Groundhog’s question was asking us to consider how many Horns have started every game of a four-year career, like Blake Gideon. That’s an awfully short list and one that Gideon doesn’t belong on.

I’m with Kafka. Is there a fucking thread somewhere that we can discuss the fucking Holiday Bowl game on? I’m as upset as anyone about our QB situation and am ambivalent at best about what Mack decides to do but, Jesus shit a nail, can we give it a rest for a little while guys?

Sure. Enjoy the Bridgepoint Education Holiday Bowl between a couple of 7-5 juggernauts with no QB. Should be fun.

Newy25 said: “Why do we not have Bob Stoops or his equivalent at Texas?”

Newy25:

Winning at all costs right?

The day Bob Stoops or his equivalent becomes our head coach is the day we cease being The University of Texas.

If you were a Texas grad, you would know that.

Seems like only yesterday I was at the last Texas/Cal game.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/12/05/california-texas-to-play-in-holiday-bowl/

27 hours after my first comment, I return and find I’ve stepped through the looking glass and into Shaggy Bevo. W. T. F. If I wanted to lower my IQ by reading about UT football, I’d log onto Kirk Bohls’ column.

Well, BC had a good run. Unfortunately, this site’s increasing popularity has doomed it to the fate of most other good things—contamination by the hoi polloi and a reduction to the lowest common denominator of “F*** you!” vs. “No, F*** YOU!!” discussions in the com boxes that represent the Internet equivalent of Capuchin monkeys flinging feces at their cage mates.

Perhaps it’s time for the BC cognoscenti to quietly slip off and form another UT blog that will fly under the radar and avoid attracting the Interweb cereal* for another year or two, before the entire cycle repeats itself. Just leave the rest of us a clue, some trail of bread crumbs that only Clipper Cooper could devise, I beg you. (How many of you whiners on this thread remember CC? I thought so. HA HA! HA HA! I am not laughing.)

Time to move on, people.

• = nuts, fruits, and flakes

Should be “I thought not” …

I’m tired of being ranked below TCU and Houston and Baylor.

I’m tired of conference championships coming around less often than the Olympics.

Especially when some of my $ is paying $5 million to a guy who’s giving us the above despite the best (not the second best) recruits, the best (not the second best) facilities, and the highest (not the second highest) assistant coaching salaries.

Mack, we’re thankful for what you did in the past, but please show Longhorn Nation some respect by stepping down. That is THE ONLY mutually beneficial ending. If you don’t, you will be pushed out (read: fired) within 1-2 years, and the post-coaching life will be less rosy. Be the first high-paid coach in memory to step down on decent terms. Don’t follow the Landry/Bowden/Gustafson/Paterno (not talking about the scandal) path.

Please.

Respectfully,
a Longhorn letterman

Oh the bob stoops suckers out there. He won it all this year didnt he? Started off the year ranked what?

cincinnatus,

Perhaps all the homer apologists at HornFans would be more to your liking.

T man,

Thank you.

“Blueshorn said: December 5th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

I’m with Kafka. Is there a fucking thread somewhere that we can discuss the fucking Holiday Bowl game on? I’m as upset as anyone about our QB situation and am ambivalent at best about what Mack decides to do but, Jesus shit a nail, can we give it a rest for a little while guys?

Sure. Enjoy the Bridgepoint Education Holiday Bowl between a couple of 7-5 juggernauts with no QB. Should be fun."

Whether I enjoy it will depend on who wins, but I’ll damned sure be watching it because the Texas Longhorns will be playing plus I’ll be curious to see if I can tell whether we’ve made any improvement since Baylor. Of course, I’d rather be watching us in a higher tier, but that ain’t happening and I’m as upset about it as you are, believe it or not you abrasive Neanderthall! Further, I take it from your eloquent response that you won’t be watching it because it’ll be beneath your dignity and you coudln’t possibly enjoy it no matter what. Good! If nothing else, that’ll significantly elevate any gamethtread and post mortem discourse.

Jake, I always watch the Horns play, as painful as it often is. Call me a glutton for punishment. I got into the habit 48 years ago and just can’t help myself.

I’m not excited about this bowl game and I won’t waste any time dissecting the matchup, which actually IS beneath the dignity of our program. Texas should never lose 5 football games in a season, much less 7. I seem to recall DKR declining to play in a bowl game when we finished 6-4, and 7-5 is worse. So I’ll view the game with about as much excitement as I work up in anticipation of my morning dump. And when you get around to actually talking about the matchup instead of calling me an “abrasive Neanderthall” (sic), I’ll politely ignore you. Hope this helps.

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55f100tx said:

December 5th, 2011 at 10:44 pm

Oh the bob stoops suckers out there. He won it all this year didnt he? Started off the year ranked what?"

Well we can’t win them all (Big 12 titles) but with Mack firmly in place it’s looking more and more likely we win again next year. Thank you Deloss. We should really send a few of our Big 12 trophys to Deloss. Without his support it wouldn’t have been possible.

55f100tx said: December 5th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
“Oh the bob stoops suckers out there. He won it all this year didnt he? Started off the year ranked what?”

I despise Bob Stoops and would NEVER want that classless ass setting a foot in Austin. That said, I really don’t think you want to start comparing Stoops to Mack this year or most any other year for that matter. Because, late most any season his teams are still playing for a championship long after he has retired our hopes of one.

Zzzizzzy, no comparing here. Never mentioned Mack. its been 10 years last time i looked that Stoops won it all. When he does make a BCS bowl he generally gets the dog slapped out of him. I expect another 3 loss season out of him next year.

cincinnatus,
Perhaps all the homer apologists at HornFans would be more to your liking.

Actually, I was banned from HornFans in 2007 for raising the subject of a replacement for Mack. But that’s not important right now, Blueshorn, because you’re missing my point. I’m not complaining about the pro-/anti-Mack debate here, nor am I taking sides. (Read my comment again to verify.)

What I’m complaining about is the depressing lack of wit, snark, sarcasm, creativity, or intelligence behind most of these rants. I come here to be informed AND entertained, but that ain’t happening. I assume BC’s reputation for providing both has brought increased traffic from Orangebloods and Shaggy Bevo, which I’m sure is good for BC’s business model, but this is not them. This is not a message board.

If I want to read asinine, monosyllabic grunts for and against something, I can go to either of those message boards (and get a side order of titties or a gratuitous ass shot more often than not). BC was supposed to be different, and not in a short-bus way, but in a good and enlightened way. Alas, that day may be passing.

But rather than rant, let me throw down this gauntlet instead: STEP IT UP, PEOPLE. Don’t bring weak-ass comments or trite arguments here. If you’re thinking about posting something that just made Jimmy your office copier repairman do a spit-take, then think twice about posting it here (unless you work in Austin and your office copy repairman has a Ph.D.). Raiser your game or don’t play. I want music, not noise. Impress me.

55, would you rather have Mack’s record or Stoop’s record?

Maybe some of their fans haven’t forgotten after all:

“Yeah, we haven’t forgotten, Mack Brown. We’ll never forget how you whined your way to the ‘04 Rose Bowl, depriving one of Cal’s best teams ever, a chance to play in the Granddaddy of them all. And now that we’ve got you in the Holiday Bowl, this is the t-shirt we’re going to greet you with. Go Bears!”

http://www.afropop.co/product/fack-muck-brown

Stay classy, San Diego.

“And when you get around to actually talking about the matchup instead of calling me an "abrasive Neanderthall" (sic), I’ll politely ignore you. Hope this helps.”

It helps some, Blues. For instance, I’m intrigued by the concept of you being able to be polite about anything. But I’ll withhold judgement until I actually see (or read) it.

55, would you rather have Mack’s record or Stoop’s record?

Dunno about 55, but change “record” to “salary” and I’ll definitely take Mack’s.

Boomer Sooner:

Well we can’t win them all (Big 12 titles) but with Mack firmly in place it’s looking more and more likely we win again next year.

Really, you guys are losing a ton of talent this year, Broyles, Landry Jones, Travis Lewis. You didn’t fare to well without Broyles in the line up this year. I’m not sure next year is your year.

I don’t know that it’s ours either given our quarterback situation. Okie State loses a ton of talent too. Next year looks wide open to me.

It helps some, Blues. For instance, I’m intrigued by the concept of you being able to be polite about anything. But I’ll withhold judgement until I actually see (or read) it.

Jake, I’m patiently waiting for you to post something about the bowl game (rather than me) that I can politely ignore. Of course, you won’t be able to read what I don’t write if that ever happens.

You can definitely see your expertise within the paintings you write. The world hopes for even more passionate writers such as you who are not afraid to say how they believe. Always follow your heart.

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