How The Coaches Voted

I’m sorry, but if you think Arkansas is a top-5 team you are a retard. Air Force is coached by a retard. It is known.

Know what would be funny? If Missouri can’t move to the SEC in 2012, and has to wait a year. That would be hilarious. Just another reason for the league to play hardball on exit fees.

I have actually met with AF head coach and he seemed like a really nice guy and so was his family BUT after seeing this, I have no professional respect left for him. Still a nice guy though.

TTR: You still think there’s a chance? People are making schedules like they’re gone… so they say.

Oops. I thought Paul Rhodes voted OSU number 3. My bad.

Calhoun’s brother married a friend of mine. Strange family to say the least.

Conference unity in voting absolutely has to be addressed as long as the coaches’ poll has a say in bowl destinations. That is something that a conference commissioner absolutely has to stress to the league’s athletic directors and the ADs in turn to the staffs.

The Big 12 was a better conference top to bottom than the SEC this year but nobody will believe it. And the fact that the Big 12’s own coaches won’t vote that way is just another talking point in the arsenal. If I had a vote as a Big 12 coach in this final poll it would have been

1. LSU
2. Oklahoma State
3. Oregon
4. Wisconsin
5. Stanford
6. Alabama

And if asked about it I would have simply discussed the merits of being the champion of a major conference. Is that ranking in the order of how good I think the teams are? No, but I know that the conference has to present a unified front if I expect the benefit of the doubt in the future.

Good call Huckleberry. I hadn’t thought of that angle.

If Missouri had to stay and extra year, what’s to keep the Big 12-2+2 from scheduling all their games away?

Neinas is pushing for a +1 per an ESPN article today. You remember, that’s the one Slive and the ACC Commish wanted, but Dan BeebeeBrain voted against it at the request of his buddy Jim Delaney shortly before Delaney prison raped him on the Nebraska deal. What a tool!

Whoever our new Commish is, he should have to sign a pact that he’d vote for any playoff syatem over what we have if it ever comes up again.

When you’re Gary Pinkel, it’s never too early to let everyone know whose bitch you are.

Voters who put OSU at 4th:
David Cutliffe – Current Duke HC, ex SEC HC
Doug Marrone – Syracuse HC. WTF? He did coach OL at Ga and TE at Tenn
Gary Pinkel – soon to be SEC coach
Nick Saban – duh
David Shaw – Stanford HC. Also understandable

“Big 12” voters who put Bama at 4:
none

And that is the biggest problem.

Gary Pinkel is a punk and a tool. If Mizzou does make it to the SEC I hope they get absolutely crushed, he gets fired and has to go coach WRs in Idaho. Also note that he voted Mizzou #25. Stay classy Gary

There is no accountability. Just get rid of the coaches poll or significantly reduce its influence. Whats wrong with having the old Alliance bowl system and doing a plus one? You take teams number 1 and two and play in a championship game. Location can be rotated based from east to west as it is now such as Rose, Fiesta, (add in Cotton), Sugar and Orange. Or have top 4 participate in a playoff (almost same thing) and rotate it the same way. Every major bowl gets its turn as it is now.

The non-biased polls are computer generated and all but two have Okie State and #2. And, as I noted in the other thread, the Sagarin poll has Okie St. #3 but its number are screwy. Every calculation shows the Big 12 as a stronger conference, Okie St. have a stronger SOS, Okie St. having a stronger record against Top 10 (2-1 to 1-1), having a stronger record against Top 30 (6-1 to 2-1), etc… but somehow have Bama #2.

Was Pinkel drunk when he voted?

Saban, Pinkel (disgraceful) and Calhoun: so it’s prison rules, eh?

If I was a Big 12 coach, I would have “forgotten” to vote for Alabama in my Top 25 poll. This 24 point advantage for OSU would equal out eight Troy Calhoun screw jobs…

If people (and I use that term loosly where Saban and PInkel are involved) already are voting strategically in a region-biased fashion, it’s not much more of a step to play ultiimate hardball.

MP, it’d have to be without the Rose, since that’s the excuse Delaney and his old Pac 10 buttboy used when they voted against it, but you could just throw Jerry World into the mix and fix that so your point is still well taken.

I think the other BCS heads should offer up a plan that would conditionally include the Rose Bowl, with the condition being that if the Rose Bowl AQ conferences don’t vote for it, their conferences don’t get to play in the +1. Screw ’em!

Cutcliffe is a ’Bama grad, so that explains that one.

I am a huge fan of the way the SBNation poll does things. The Harris and Coaches poll have to be released to the public on a weekly basis so that the voters can be held accountable. Perhaps some enterprising coaches/SIDs and Harris poll voters will provide weekly commentary to defend their positions. If a coach doesn’t want to deal with the hassle of a stupid vote, he shouldn’t vote stupidly.

Then each major website has a writer do the Andy Hutchins routine on the Harris and Coaches poll, pointing out sketchy biases, etc. I’m for it. More procrastination at work.

One of the biggest travesty in all of this, in my mind is that the results aren’t released on a weekly basis.

David Bailiff!!! That’s our boy!!!

While we’re getting angry, why not burn a barn over the number of Harris poll voters who had OSU at 6?

Saban obviously promised Pinkel he wouldn’t beat him by more than 40 points whenever they meet.

I should probably know this, but does Mack not vote? Why not?

Man, I long for the days of the AP poll and the UPI poll.
The bowls were fun then.
The arguments were even funner.

Coaches poll should not be part of the BCS team ranking algorithm. The coaches don’t follow college ball closely because they are too busy during the season and they are completely politicized, agenda driven voters.

Ditch the BCS this year for old bowl affiliations and you’ve got:

Sugar: LSU vs Stanford
Rose: Oregon vs Wisconsin
Orange: Okie St vs ’Bama
Fiesta: Any 2 of Kansas St./Michigan/Boise St./Arkansas
Citrus: Clemson vs. who cares…

Not a bad New Year’s day…. LSU rolls, and no one argues with the final outcome.

I will, however, always be thankful that the BCS matched up Texas vs. USC in the 2006 Rose Bowl. Without the BCS, USC would have destroyed the Big 10 Champ and we would have watched them repeat as champs.

A good point, uthookem.
Even a blind squirrel…

A-Tex: Question would be how soon the Sugar would have made its deal. By the time we went to full tie-ins, bowl deals were being made 2-3 weeks in advance.

I like the BCS for the most part but having college coaches vote on their own teams is absurd. The conflicts of interest are preposterous.

I like A-Tex’s system and then just add a Plus+1 game on Jan 8 between 1 and 2 after the bowl games, though I think it would look more like this:

Rose — Oregon vs. Wisconsin
Fiesta — Oklahoma State vs. Alabama
Sugar — LSU vs. Stanford
Orange — Clemson vs. West VA

Kanga , Mack quit voting a few years ago because of headaches like this. I still remember Art Briles screwing us.

Harris poll was even more ridiculous…one voter had OSU at #6 behind Houston! After they lost to Southern Miss!! System is stupid!

Simple fix:

Step 1, admit the whole sorry mess is for money – should be easy enough to do

Step 2: Sell votes.

Problem solved.

WHY in the WORLD did anybody ever think having interested parties vote was a good idea? Before polls determined match ups? Ok, fine. But the minute the BCS was conceived, the coaches poll should have gone up in smoke. Absolutely ridiculous.

Calhoun is a joke who barely won the CINC trophy this year over a garbage Navy squad and Army at home. He also submitted annual losses against SDSU and Wyoming amongst atrocious performances against TCU and Notre Dame, all with the most talented squad since 2002/2003. I hope the donkey finally lands one of the ACC or SEC cellar dweller jobs he keeps interviewing for so that Air Force can find a guy who actually knows college football, is excited to be there, and is willing to recruit more than just military brats.

FWIW, Pinkel and Saban were college teammates at Kent State.

“80-year-old George Wine, a former SID at Iowa, voted Oklahoma State at No. 6 in the Harris Poll, behind Houston at No. 5.” per Sports Illustrated article.

FUBAR … Houston! We have a problem!

Sic ’em, T. Boone.

Anybody know how many of OSU’s 4, 5 and 6 (!) place votes needed to be 3’s for OSU to be going to the title game?

Sorry Cowboys, you got rode hard and put away wet.

Remember how Bohls reported that KSU, KU, and Baylor are responsible for negotiating the exit fee with TAMU? OSU definitely needs to be one of those negotiating with Mizzou.

Brad Edwards asserts something today I’ve been wondering about – that a conference championship game for the B12 would likely have flipped Sagarin and Wolfe, making OSU unanimous in the computers. I’m interested in that because I maintained from the get-go that the extra win helps you far more often than the upset kills you, whereas most have argued that losing the conference championship game helps the BCS cause. Not this year, it seems.

An OSU with unanimous support in the ’puters would have made those votes crucial. But with 2 PCs in their hand, Oklahoma State needed at least half the voters to vote them #2, plus a few more, to overtake Alabama, and they got nowhere close to that. If they had all the PCs, I think they needed something like 1 in 5.

should read “2 PCs in Alabama’s hand”

John Embree (CU coach) left Baylor completely off his ballot.

Looks like the Buffs stick it to the Bears one more time

Alabama didn’t play in a conference championship game and it didn’t seem to hurt them.

I humbly submit that this thread should be closed down because this site has a “No Politics Allowed” policy.

Clearly, the BCS is rife with the stuff.

Blameing the dumba$$ coaches for the way they voted is like blameing the field goal kicker when he misses the game winning kick. You never put the game in the kickers had(foot) and OSU shud have never put their fate in the hands of the like’s of saban, cutcliff , the stanford coach or that total moron from air force. You have to take care of ISU and you didnt your bad. Those idiot coaches did what you knew they wood!

I think the vote that sticks out to me is the stanford coach voteing his team ahead of OKS. I’m sorry but I never heard 1 coach or football analyist say that stanford was the best team even before they lost. I think they would get their a$$ kicked by any of the other 9 teams in the top 10.

Jake,

The B12 hasn’t won 7 BCS titles, either. The math people say a conference championship game would have put OSU over the top. I tend to believe them.

Calhoun is a joke who barely won the CINC trophy this year over a garbage Navy squad and Army at home. He also submitted annual losses against SDSU and Wyoming amongst atrocious performances against TCU and Notre Dame, all with the most talented squad since 2002/2003.

Whoa, damn you must be a West Point alum. Wyoming was actually much improved this year. They have a very good freshman quarterback—Texas would have killed to have a guy like him, 8-4 is not bad at all for Wyoming. I hope they can keep their coach a few more years.

Who the hell was Air Force supposed to play for the CINC trophy other than Army at home and a garbage Navy squad? Do you think Aggie qualifies?

I don’t get the vitriol for Calhoun, unlike the SEC coaches who clearly had a dog in the hunt, as far as I know, Calhoun gets nothing from either hurting or helping OSU or Alabama. So, if he thinks OSU is number 5 because they lost to a 6-6 team while Bama lost to the clear #1 I think that’s justifiable.

I personally don’t care to watch LSU play Bama again, it proves nothing, and its probably going to be a really boring football game. Unless you happen to like punting.

What I like about college football is that all the games matter. So I have two observations:

1. If OSU beats Iowa State, then there is no argument. So beat Iowa State. If Gideon catches the interception….

2. Would it really be fair to LSU to make them win two or three playoff games to be crowned National Champs? Dominate all year just to make the playoffs?

Chris Petersen, the classless clown of the MWC, exposed himself with his retribution vote ( #18 ) against TCU. After the MWC attempted to give Boise State a big step up by moving the BSU vs. TCU game from Ft.Worth to Boise in effort to aide the team remaining in the MWC, TCU ruined Petersen’s efforts toward an undefeated season, 36-35. Wanting to place a barrier between TCU and a BCS Bowl appearance, Petersen voted TCU at #18. TCU needed a BCS rank of at least #16 to make a BCS at-large bid. Only 6 HCs voted TCU lower than Petersen’s #18.

This guy is “supposed” to be a replacement for Mack Brown? I don’t think so. We don’t need one of those representing our program.

HornChamps: So let me get this straight. The BCS has tried to screw Boise (and every other non-AQ program) at every turn — including this year by lobbying to have the Sugar Bowl take Virginia Tech — and Petersen is supposed to be above all this and go ahead and not act like every other coach and follow his self-interest.?

Screw that.

Hell I appreciate Petersen for standing up for his team.

2. Would it really be fair to LSU to make them win two or three playoff games to be crowned National Champs? Dominate all year just to make the playoffs?

YES.

This guy is "supposed" to be a replacement for Mack Brown? I don’t think so. We don’t need one of those representing our program.

So, you don’t want a coach who is trying to get his team in a BCS bowl by playing within the rules as they are written? A task that is much much harder for a non-BCS school?

Essentially you are asking Boise’s coach to vote TCU into a BCS bowl instead of HIS OWN TEAM.

“Alan said: December 6th, 2011 at 10:16 am

What I like about college football is that all the games matter."

That’s not really true. Alabama and LSU played a game a few weeks ago that didn’t matter one iota. Didn’t matter who won or lost, nor in what manner. It had no effect on the season, other than conference champion impact. If you don’t care who the SEC champ is, you could have ignored the whole thing.

srr50 ~ “Hell I appreciate Petersen for standing up for his team.”

How does voting TCU down help Petersen’s Boise State team? He had already voted his own BSU team #5. Sorry, but your argument is a total fail.

I’m no TCU fan, but I recognize retribution when I see it. Petersen was pitchin’ a fit for having his undefeated season yanked out from under him. If not, then why not vote like the other FIFTY coaches who voted TCU higher than his own vote?

If Bob Stoops had pulled such a move, I’m confident you’d be labeling him some of the same. Petersen was using his vote as a weapon and we all know it. If Mack were a voting coach and pulled this, you wouldn’t be proud.

How does voting TCU down help Petersen’s Boise State team? He had already voted his own BSU team #5. Sorry, but your argument is a total fail.

You seem to be operating under the misguided idea that both Boise and TCU had a chance to get in a BCS game? No way in hell. Boise’s only shot was if they were the only non-BCS school ranked high enough to make it in particularly from the MWC.

And you’re damn right I’d be proud if Mack voted so that Texas got into a BCS bowl and OU did not. He would be a fool to do it any other way.

I may be wrong, but I bet the Sugar Bowl took Va Tech with ZERO lobbying from the BCS. The BCS wants TV ratings, which better games, including Boise St., would pull. The Sugar Bowl wants feet on the ground in N.O., which VaTech would pull, although I’m not sure of the logic of VaTech bringing more fans than a fired up K-State fanbase.

I don’t get the vitriol for Calhoun, unlike the SEC coaches who clearly had a dog in the hunt, as far as I know, Calhoun gets nothing from either hurting or helping OSU or Alabama. So, if he thinks OSU is number 5 because they lost to a 6-6 team while Bama lost to the clear #1 I think that’s justifiable.

A crappy voter is a crappy voter. Doesn’t matter if the coach votes that way out of self-interest or just because he has no clue how to rank teams. The integrity of the process is fucked either way. Because Arkansas over OSU is the exact opposite of justifiable. Anyone who has looked at Arkansas’ body of work statistically, or even with any degree of objectivity, realizes that they are nowhere near the 4th in the country. Football Outsider’s FEI has Arkansas 16th, Sagarin has them 14th, and Huck’s Power Rankings have them 12th.

If Bob Stoops had pulled such a move, I’m confident you’d be labeling him some of the same. Petersen was using his vote as a weapon and we all know it. If Mack were a voting coach and pulled this, you wouldn’t be proud.

Oh please, as has been mentioned, he was fighting TCU for the lone (possible) BCS spot — one that Jim Delany fought very hard to make sure didn’t happen.

BTW you do know that the last vote in the coaches poll was made public in 2005 thanks in large part to Mack lobbying loudly and publicly in 2004 to get into the Rose Bowl over Cal.

That didn’t bother me one bit, and neither does Petersen working for his team.

Bigdukesix:

Did you really just use the word “integrity” in a paragraph about the BCS?

Roach,
         Wyoming=Mountain Aggy…more than CSU could ever even dream to be. Losing to them seemingly every year is infuriating. Calhoun’s team half-assed the service games this year and squeaked out wins. Inexcusable lack of focus against rivals. What does Calhoun benefit with his ranking? He interviews for the worst jobs in the ACC/SEC every winter (e.g. ATM).

KB,

Ah I see—you’re a CSU fan—you guys picked a great year to fire your coach. Good luck with that search. Thanks for canning the one coach you’ve ever had that made you worth a shit. If Lubbick was still around (with Larry Kerr) CSU would probably be in the BIG 12 right now.

For the record, I never called CSU aggie, I was making a reference to fake army at ATM playing for the commander in chief trophy. But since CSU actually was the aggies for many years, I really don’t see your point. I happen to like CSU (as much as any kid who grew up in Wyoming can).

Neither Wyoming or CSU have any of the freaky cult like characteristics that make ATM actual Aggie so you can back away from your keyboard and put down your righteous indignation.