Big 12 ADs to Support Plus One Model

They’ll still find a way to fuck us over at some point (when we get back to that point, that is).

It’s not the best playoff scenario, but It’s at least a start. Once it gets going, everyone will want in and then we’ll have a real playoff system; hopefully one that screws over the greedy bowlsand their minions.

the plus one is a dumb idea. it’s just another little band aid “fix” that doesn’t actually help anything.

sure, this year a plus one looks nice. lsu plays stanford, alabama plays osu. winners play. that doesn’t fix the “didn’t win your conference” thing a lot of people bring up, but works out with 4 teams that look most deserving. how often will it work out like that? about as often as the bcs can pick the top two teams without controversy. and with even more teams involved, we’ll be subjected to even more shady voting which is a big enough problem as is.

Plus one while going back to all bowl games on New Year’s day.

Lsu v bama proves we have 1 game play-off and every game does not count. Why go to a 4 team play-off? Just do it right. Tired of sticky fingers in the cracks of CFB’s dam. Just fix it

It was awesome watching Gundy say with a straight face that the Big 12 and oSu bought into the BCS system so they had to live with the results. He should have manned up (I mean he’s 40) and said there should be a playoff between oSu and Bama to see who should play LSU.

Glad the Big 12 has seen the light. They didn’t care back in 2008 but at least one Big 12 school got to go to the MNC and the other got Fiesta Bowl money. Now that oSu lost out on the MNC and KSU missed out on the Sugar Bowl money, the Big 12 suddenly cares about fairness. Glad it wasn’t Texas that got screwed this time around.

A real NCAA playoff right now means more power in the hands of the WAC, MWC and Big East. No thanks until we have that issue taken care of.

A Plus 1 I support.

Anything less than 8 teams wouldn’t work for me. And winning your conference needs to be a part of the equation as well. With a +1 this year, Oregon (who worked Standford and won the Pac12) is out, but Stanford is in. How is that fair?

I personally would love to see:
 - 12 team playoff; BCS (or some similar rating system) 1 and 2 get byes
- After BCS 1 and 2, the next 6 spots are filled with the highest rated conference champs (sorry Big East – can’t outrank the champ from a nonAQ conference, you don’t deserve a shot)
- For the spots left over, then we go to the at-larges by BCS ranking (this accounts for teams like Boise)
- This year would have been: LSU (bye, SEC), Bama (bye, at-large), OSU (B12), Oregon (P12), TCU (MWC), Wisconsin (B10), Clemson (ACC), Arkansas (at-large), Boise (at-large), KSU (at-large), South Carolina (at-large), VaTech (at-large)
- Use your rating system to set up the bracket, make it happen!

I would also love to ditch the polls. Humans are inherently bias. And the SEC slob-fest is starting to become too much to watch these days. Maybe a computer rating that we can all understand (based on schedule strength, quality wins, bad losses, graduation rates, etc… using the same philosophy as the 5-year rating system they use on CFN.com… http://cfn.scout.com/2/995896.html ).

But it has to be either playoff or straight selection committee for deciding the MNC. The status quo is a joke…

Why does winning the conference matter? It doesn’t in basketball.

Alabama is better than the Sun Belt champion!

It really doesn’t matter what the ADs support. It’s the university presidents that make these decisions.

There have been plenty of ADs that support a playoff to push it through if they had the power. It’s been the university presidents that haven’t been convinced, and this doesn’t tell us anything about whether they have come around.

A real NCAA playoff right now means more power in the hands of the WAC, MWC and Big East. No thanks until we have that issue taken care of.

1. There are more schools in AQ conferences (+ ND), even w/o the Big East, than in non-AQ conferences. Therefore, there’s no danger that the BCS schools won’t be able to have their way.

Plus, if you look at March Madness, the BCS schools get the bulk of the spots. In football, the division b/t the haves & have nots is more pronounced by a factor of a hundred.

2. If the NCAA was involved, all that would mean is that the non-AQ schools would get a share of the NCAA money. Conferences would still have their own TV deals that they would keep to themselves.

3. How the hell do you take care of that issue?

A plus one would have worked this year. Most years we pretty much agree on the top 4, just not necessarily in order. I personally think we should play the bowl games then pick the final 4 teams. The Bowl games would have to be moved up some to do this.

Any playoffs paired from rankings is a fucking joke and not much different than what we have now.

Put everyone in a conference and if you can win it or be the runner up then you don’t belong in the playoff. It is that simple.

Rankings are nothing but opinions……..usually corrupt opinions.

Plus one is really plus nothing. It’s not a playoff, and that’s what major college football needs to get a real champion. Eight’s a good number to start with, and twelve would be even better. I’m not adamant that you have to win your conference to make the playoffs, but more than one loss should knock you out. I also agree that, as much as possible, human and computer rankings need to be taken out of the equation…they turn it into a beauty contest.

NCAA basketball has become a disaster from the perspective of the big program. The top programs generate the interest that drives ALL the value in the tournament rights fees (no one watches Cinderella teams after the first weekend). But a good chunk of that money goes elsewhere. Meanwhile, the proliferation of smaller programs and conferences dilutes the TV product and on-the-court product. Finally, the bottom half of any big conference turns over coaches with buy-outs, trying to compete with the big programs on the one side and the smaller schools with fewer academic restrictions on the other.

Virginia and Missouri used to be glamor jobs. Now they’re coach-killers, and it’s not because of a rabid fan base.

When I say “more power,” I don’t mean “more powerful than the BCS conferences.” But numerically, NCAA basketball programs outside the BCS conferences outnumber the BCS schools by quite a bit. As for CFB, that day is coming. It’s not here yet, but more and more schools are starting football programs, and more of them are jumping into FBS. The D-coordinator at Nebraska just left for a gig at a school in Florida that no one even knew existed 4 years ago.

Playoffs, right now, today, just siphon money from the haves to the have nots, which in turn accelerates the devolution of CFB into CBB.

No thanks. Separate first, then put a structure into play.

It’s a start, that’s all. Just something to get the ball rolling and show people that a playoff (in any form) is not the end of the world. I think this is a situation where we shouldn’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

It also solves the “not winning your conference issue” because it basically treats everyone as a wild-card entry. I can live with that until we get to a real post season tournament. Personally, I favor 16.

Willow/cool – I don’t disagree that it will probably still be based on rankings and so still a corrupt beauty pageant, but a sufficiently large playoff should account for that 99% of the time. Granted, I don’t think a plus-1 would do that, but it’s a step.

It means we’d have 3 games that actually matter at the end of the year instead of 1. That’s progress. Also, old people can’t handle drastic change, we just need to nickle and dime them as their voice creep deeper and deeper into the minority.

“old people cant handle drastic change.”

Your a damn idiot. Old people have seen death through family, friends,war. They have lived through drastic change. Thats what living is.

Football bowl season is a reward for players and fans.

“Why does winning the conference matter? It doesn’t in basketball.”

Without getting into the issues with NCAA basketball, automatic berths for conference winners ensures the integrity of the regular season and a playoff. It removes some elements of luck and provides every team a path to the championship – eliminating the subjective nature and gaming of human polls.

I like the 12 team playoffs too. FIRST 4 get byes. So season is still relevant. First 4 MUST be conference champs. 6 conference champs are automatics. 4 at-large from polls/bcs type poll. 2 Other spots reserved for NON-major conferences.

So in most years #12 or #11 is a Boise type team that has to beat the #5 team in the first round to have a shot at the #1-#4 caliber teams.

First 4 not only get byes… then they HOST second round (their first round) of playoffs. 5-8 host first round of playoffs.

All season long you have jockeying of positions 1-4. 5-8 and then just to get in 9-12. GENIUS..

So in my scenario THIS year.

Seeds are…

1. LSU
   #2. OSU
   #3. Oregon
   #4. Wisconsin
   #5. Bama
   #6. Stanford
   #7. Arkansas
   #8. KState
   #9.Clemson
   #10. West Virginia
   #11. Boise State
2. TCU

First round is TCU @ Bama
Boise @ Stanford
WV @ Arkansas
Clemson @ Kstate

Second round assuming no upsets.
Kstate @ LSU
Arkansas @ Okie State
Stanford @ Oregon
Bama @ Wisconsin.

Third round assuming home teams win…

Wisconsin VS LSU – Sugar Bowl
Oregon Vs Okie State – Orange Bowl.

National Champion game.

LSU vs Okie State – Fiesta Bowl. (Major bowls rotate every year)

Plus one sucks.

This year it would probably result in Alabama playing LSU a third time, with a final combined score from all three games of 18-18.

The best argument for a plus 1 is that it AT LEAST gets the basic structure of a playoff IN PLACE. RIght now its a hop skip & jump to a playoff. With a PLUS 1. Its just a hop to get there.

Good, The camel’s nose will be in the tent.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-delany-move-up-bcs-title-game-20111206,0,3810244.story

(B1G conf commish/dickhead Jim) Delany remains opposed to a Plus-One because he believes it would lead to an eight- or 16-team playoff that would harm college football’s regular season and bowl system.

I assume they’re still talking about a seeded plus one, with four teams. There would still be plenty of corruption to determine the four teams and their placement, but at least those could settle it on the field. Beats the shit out of what we have, now.

I’m for whatever playoff system gets Texas an at large spot. Just because we finished 6th in our conference doesnt mean we don’t deserve a shot at the title (like bama, Arkansas and Boise that didn’t win their conference). In a single elimination tournament you never know. We will channel our inner VCU.

“Beats the shit out of what we have, now.”

By a long shot. And if it gets done, it will take maybe one or two seasons before the next best 4 to 12 teams not in it will start to scream for a real playoff. Jim Delaney, although his motives are selfish, is absolutely right. It will lead to a playoff so I say bring it on!

Also, if there’s a group of folks out there who deserve to be harmed, it’s the bowls. They have been exploiting the schools and fans for too long—-screw ’em.

Yep, plus one amounts to a four-team playoff. We now have a two-team playoff. This would be progress.

It would certainly be a step in the right direction. The BCS is a fucked up farce and the bowls are little more than lucrative rackets. How is the status quo even remotely defensible by anyone except the pigs feeding at the trough?

Plus 1 is progress, a step in the right direction.

G.O.F. makes good points. There are a lot of unexamined consequences of a move to a bigger playoff that would damage the traditional powers with the way things are currently set up. Since I’m a fan of a traditional power, I’m not interested in that development.

But I do like the idea of a Plus-1.

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