Robert Griffin III is the Heisman Frontrunner?

RG3 owes McCoy a case of Dr. Pepper for crapping the bed.

Heisman is nice and all, but is he TEXAS GOOD?

Ah yes, good point bonecrush. I had forgotten that McCoy plays offense AND defense! Playing in the secondary when RG3 lit us up for 2 TDs to start the game. And he was playing linebacker when they went 90 yards from their own 12 in about 3 minutes to blow the game open in the 3rd quarter.

I told a buddy that if we could stop Baylor five times we would have a chance. We stopped them three, which amounted to a 28 point difference.

My assumption also assumed that we would be able to drive and score on Baylor’s woeful defense (which we could not, Longhorn NY…thanks to McCoy’s interceptionitis).

Vince Young > Robert Griffin III

And let’s not forget Goodwin’s dropitis. Yes McCoy stunk it up 2nd half, but I am a bit sick of jumping the guy.

RG3 had a pretty well-executed game on national TV, some nice stat padding courtesy of the O, and a D that looked flat and a bit confused at all the wrong times. Maybe it was a post-Aggie letdown, maybe RG3 and his crew are “that good”, I don’t know.

I did read that Baylor had more big plays +25 yrds against Texas than any other game this year, so I would think the D for whatever reason just didn’t have a great game, and they needed to.

But its not all on McCoy, or even most of it IMO. He was told to press, Baylor was ready for it.

Glad we could help out with that final voter impression!

Yes, especially after our DBs were talking smack about not letting him have his Heisman moment against them.

Eh. Good for him. Rather him than whomever from the S. E. C. we have to blow this week.

Still, Art Briles is a douche. No two ways about it.

Not Texas good. No room here for All Big XII performers on that side of the ball.

He prolly would’ve been lost in the shuffle at receiver under Bobby Kennedy had he come to Texas. Sad but true.

Only if you can be considered the frontrunner while taking the lead in the homestretch.

The talking heads I saw generally put him at third or worse for much of the season as they talked up Richardson as top two. If Texas had to lose last week, at least I can view this result as something of a silver lining.

Congratulations to Robert Griffin III.

Would RGIII have beaten out Gideon?

Hope he wins the Heisman.

What’s with the “f Art Briles” stuff? What did he do?

I agree about the Case stuff. I mean, defenses never get worn out when they are trotted out over and over again after a spaghetti arm QB keeps lobbing balls into DB’s hands. There is probably no psychological effect of having to constantly trot back out there either. Let’s not put this all on Case.

^ his nipples protruded through his Baylor shirt last saturday, and were visible on camera on many occasions.

@Phenomenal Smith

Art Briles fucked Texas over in the whole 2008 BCS tie-breaker deal by voting us significantly lower than the consensus and by voting Oklahoma above us. Basically, his vote was the marginal difference in Texas being left out of the Big XII championship game that year.

He has also de-pantsed the Avuncular Nincompoop “CEO-ing” on our sideline two years running now.

The AAS said that Griffin has their full support. The same guys didn’t support home town hero Vince Young. Pretty disgusting.

Redfoot, come on. After the Aggy game and all the short fields they defended? They quit? Look, the D got driven. 1st two drives, which had nothing to do with the offense, and then every drive in the 2nd half.

Put yourself in Harsin’s shoes. You are watching the D quite literally collapse in the 1st half. But for an ill-advised RG3 throw, they are scoring at will, with drives of 1-3 minutes. They are stopped only twice except for the pic., and on the second drive they still gain 35 yards.

Now you have no running backs, but you need to score. So you throw. And CM did ok until Baylor figured out his speed and distance, and that was that. Harsin had no choice, and McCoy ran the plays he was given. I am not defending the guy, I am just saying he is not the reason the D couldn’t stop Baylor. The game was TIED early in the 3rd quarter. Maybe if the D had forced a punt early in the second half, we wouldn’t have been throwing as much.

He does. He plays for the Texas offense, and the opponent’s defense.

Guys. Cool it with the bitching. Celebrate the greatness of RG III and apparently the alertness of Art Briles nipples.

Doesn’t matter how you spin the game, Texas loses because of 6 turnovers. Cost Texas 14 points on 2 turnovers inside the 15 and gave Baylor 17 points on short fields. Texas offense actually outgained the Baylor offense. Texas defense actually held the Baylor offense under its per game total offense numbers. Take away the turnovers and Texas wins. But turnovers are a part of the game that must be eliminated if Texas intends to regain their national prominence.

Texas couldn’t beat Kansas if they turned the ball over 6 times and neither would LSU.

So before anyone crowns the Baylor Bears the greatest, Texas did more to lose this game than Baylor did to win it.

As stated before the game, Griffin and Baylor would get their long strike plays and 500 yds of offense, but if Texas did not turn the ball over they would win.

@Drew-You must be a handsome man. Someone came up to me at the game in Waco Saturday, began a conversation and the stopped, looked at me and said “Sorry, man. I thought you were Drew Dunlevie.”
@ Felonious-Just another reason coaches shouldn’t vote.

Did Mack Brown try to recruit RG3 or did he think his nursing QB system was enough???
Gilbert and now McCoy QB system seems similiar.

Case aside, the point is, it’s a very bad idea to give RG III six extra possessions against any defense. We’ve got to find a QB who doesn’t morph into a turnover machine. This year we’ve gone strike one, two, three as Gilbert, then Ash, and finally McCoy had a turnover meltdown. The difference in Case’s game vs. aggy/baylor should be an instructive data point. He made one really good play in the aggy game, but otherwise his contribution was to simply not turn the ball over or do anything stupid. Check and check and FTW. Get better on that alone next year and it could be worth a couple more wins.

He has also de-pantsed the Avuncular Nincompoop "CEO-ing" on our sideline two years running now.

Plenty of coaches have done that lately, and only 1 person deserves the blame for that, and it isn’t the opposing coaches.

AAS “supports” Griffin for the Heisman? That’s nice. Particularly given the VY bullshit. RG3 deserves it, IMHO. And if he gets it, great. That’d make about twice in the last 7 years it’s been right. But it doesn’t remove the stain from the BCS shitting the bed again.

I don’t think it’s salt in the wound. RGIII played like a Heisman candidate against us. Our D is good, but it was foolish to think they would “shut RGIII down.” Limiting him was what they needed to do, and they actually did that well enough so that, if the offense hadn’t shat the bed, we could have been in position to win the game. It was all the extra, easy opportunities he got that killed us.

He’s a great player and by far the most deserving Heisman candidate this year.
I hope to hell he wins the damn trophy.

What’s done is done. Better RGIII than another SEC player.

And if he wins, I honestly hope RGIII fares better after college than the last two guys a Longhorn defense handed the Heisman (Jason White/2003, Rashaan Salaam/1994).

I’m sorry guys, but there is no way RG III is the frontrunner for the Heisman.

Plays QB or running back? Check

Plays for a nationally recognized team, that is on TV all the time? Sorry, no.

Plays for a team that is going to play for the MNC? Sorry, no effin’ way.

Is probably the best player of the year? Yes, but this does not count in the voting, sorry again. Who told you this was about the best player?

Could he win? Maybe, but the voters would have to go completely against recent history. I hope they do, but I also hope to win the lottery.

Not really the “best” player of the year. He should win it because of his long term accomplishments on and off the field, and because he’s one of the 5 best players in the country, and because Baylor sucks (for god’s sake he plays for BAYLOR and he’s beaten Texas and Oklahoma in the same season, maybe 8 teams have ever done that). When RGIII leaves and the Bears come home to 100,000 screaming Texas fans, it’s going to be like talking to your dad when he gets home after you’ve had a long time to think about what you’ve done. And I think Oklahoma will post up 120 on them… (actually I wouldn’t be surprised, all kidding aside)

Player who deserves the Heisman: RG3

Player who should win the Heisman: Tyrann Matthieu, but as you said it doesn’t go to the best player…

Player who will probably win the Heisman: T Rich or the Luckster

RG III wins this award no question.

Could he win? Maybe, but the voters would have to go completely against recent history. I hope they do, but I also hope to win the lottery.

Heisman voters are like any other group of fans of the game. If they see a good player play well against good teams, it changes their opinion. Andrew Luck played relatively poorly (and got a couple of bad breaks) in a big, nationally televised loss to Oregon.

RGIII’s highlights against OU, including an 80-yard game-winning drive in less than 45 seconds, were everywhere. He backed it up with some great throws against a Texas D that made no secret of wanting to stop him. Again, nationally televised.

You can’t knock out the leader if the leader has been consistently good, but once Luck showed flaws, people were looking around. RGIII was known because of his first game, put up the stats, and followed through at the end against Texas and OU. People with no reason to vote for him in other parts of the country have said they are voting for him.

If he had put up a losing effort on Saturday, he probably wouldn’t have been able to jump to the front.

Man, I really hope he gets it. He’s been a pleasure to watch (except when he has been pounding us) and he’s the real deal, a complete QB. I like Andrew Luck, and I would draft Luck over RGIII in the NFL, but if there was a college QB draft tomorrow I would take RGIII first, hands down. Hell, he would be the first offensive player off the board for me in a College Draft. To me, that should be the test.

It’s been a long time, but the Heisman has gone to the best player – or the most ballyhooed one, anyway – on a losing team. Paul Hornung says “Hi.”

Maybe it’s only for fish eaters, and foot washers need not apply?

Finebaum’s Heisman ballot:

1. that running back that Texas wouldn’t outbid Bama for
2. Luck
3. Honey Badger

@finebaum Finebaum Network
Much heat leaving RG3 off my Heisman ballot. Nice player- but SEC defenses would have eaten him alive. Haters get a clue

Can we just nuke that whole region of the country?

Bigdukesix, they desperately need a major dose of humility in the form of a BCS championship rout. Texas would have provided that had McCoy not gotten hurt a few years back, but it looks like we will have to wait until at least early 2013 before the SEC braying stops.

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Much heat leaving RG3 off my Heisman ballot. Nice player- but SEC defenses would have eaten him alive. Haters get a clue

Like how the SEC defenses did Cam?

Bigdukesix, they desperately need a major dose of humility in the form of a BCS championship rout. Texas would have provided that had McCoy not gotten hurt a few years back, but it looks like we will have to wait until at least early 2013 before the SEC braying stops.

I hate to be a sore loser and play pretend scenarios. Injuries are part of the game, after all, and need to be accounted for in the results. But, anyone outside the SEC watching that game KNOWS how that would have turned out had Colt not gotten injured. Texas would have been up a couple scores and, lets be honest, Alabama was NOT going to be throwing the ball that night. They could ‘Mark Ingram’ Texas all they wanted, they weren’t going to catch up that way. I like Texas chances, a lot, if that played out.

The previous year Florida beats the pretender to the throne OU. Then last year Auburn barely beats Oregon.

If conferences were bought and sold on the stock exchange, I’m selling the SEC right now, they are the 1999 internet bubble, or probably more like today’s gold prices. By all means a valuable entity, but entirely over valued.

Team Dirty, I’ll give you this figure:

Black Population of Texas = 2.4 Million
Black Population of Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana = 8.5 Million

It’s approximately the same geographical size. The SEC isn’t going anywhere. Ever. They are at the top of the Dow Jones, metaphorically speaking.

That’s also the explanation as to how a team that recruits as well as UT in Texas ends up with Blake Gideon starting in the secondary. That kind of shit doesn’t even become an option at LSU, Bama, Georgia or Florida.

But, they’ll still have to come out here to get their QBs.

Texas would have [won] provided that had McCoy not gotten hurt a few years back

I’ve used this myself, beginning as I watched GG handing off, throwing occasionally to Shipley, but mostly (it seemed) to the ground. I even halfway – no, more than half – believe it… but…

The fact is that SEC teams DO play hard-nosed – no. make that FUCKING hard-nosed – Defense, and the fact is that they hit hard and often. Colt has had problems with that right side neck-and-shoulder area going all the way back to his freshman year, and ‘Bama exploited it perfectly. Was the location of the hit by Dareus intentional? Probably not… but ’Bama had a defensive plan to punish Colt for running. It worked, and it wasn’t completely a fluke.

What happened was not strictly that McCoy’s shoulder/neck got hurt (again), what happened is that there was no plan whatsoever by Mack and his li’l buddy Greg to have an experienced, working backup at quarterback.

Without the McCoy injury, would we have won? I think probably we would have, but that ain’t what happened. As Saint Darrell said, “Don’t talk to me about woulda-shoulda-coulda. What shoulda happened DID happen.”

Example: Bama beat out everyone in the country for their DB class. They beat out North Texas and Wake Forest for their future QB.

Look, Ded, I’m not saying the SEC doesn’t deserve it top dog status, I’m saying it isn’t a foregone conclusion that it’s best team is always, by default, the best in the country simply for no other reason than it’s the SEC, SEC, SEC. A notion lazy sports journalist (and know-nothing fans) seem to have adopted. This year LSU is clearly the best team. They have the schedule to prove it. But is Alabama clearly the second best? Absolutely not.

Tex Long< I don't like playing that "what if" too much myself because it encroaching into "loser's mantra" territory. But I can dream, I can believe what my eyes told me up till that hit.

Team Dirty, I’ll give you this figure:

Black Population of Texas = 2.4 Million
Black Population of Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana = 8.5 Million

It’s approximately the same geographical size. The SEC isn’t going anywhere. Ever. They are at the top of the Dow Jones, metaphorically speaking.

Oy vey! I thought those sorts of crude racial stereotypes went out in the 1960s.

That’s also the explanation as to how a team that recruits as well as UT in Texas ends up with Blake Gideon starting in the secondary. That kind of shit doesn’t even become an option at LSU, Bama, Georgia or Florida.

First the “era of recruiting parity”, now this. You have some fanciful theories to explain why Texas has struggled the last few years, but they simply don’t hold water.

I’ll explain. The SEC recruiting base is divided up amongst Alabama, Louisiana, Florida, Auburn, Georgia, and Florida State. There’s more talent there, but there’s a hell of a lot more competition than what Texas faces. Texas’ recruiting is absolutely better than what anyone in the SEC has, hence the reason it’s almost unanimously considered to be the best head coaching job in the country. Texas ended up with Blake Gideon starting because of poor evaluation, pure and simple.

Black Population of New York state: 3.05 million

I don’t think its worth bitching about Colt getting injured, obviously Alabama won that game. But, I think if Colt plays there’s enough of an indication to show that Texas was a better team. 2010 Oregon was probably a better team than Auburn, I don’t really count 2006-2007 Ohio State losses considering how embarrasing that team is, and Oklahoma in 2008 didn’t get blown out by any stretch of the imagination. 2005 Texas or USC would have straight up murdered any SEC team, 2004 USC would have, 2003 was controversial, and before that it’s Big 10, ACC, Big 12, ACC, SEC.

SEC bandwagon is just ridiculous, if Trent Richardson wins I will have lost faith in America.

bigdukesix, we have a black President now, so it’s not considered a racial stereotype any more to go ahead and admit that black guys are generally better athletes than white guys. Don’t try to spin that as a racist comment. Maybe New York’s black population explains why the Big East is considered powerhouse in basketball? I’ve been to New York and haven’t seen a lot of football fields around town. I would be curious how much of that population was concentrated in the City. The demographics seem to change a bit by the time you get to Albany and Jamestown.

When I refer to recruiting parity, I’m referring to the state of Texas. Although, Texas enjoys a distinct advantage in the order of selection, there are a ton of guys they pass on who are good enough to beat them now. The SEC has already reached that point years ago and your argument only strengthens my case. Until this year, only UT or OU had won a Big 12 title in the last decade. Over that same period, I can think of LSU, Bama, Florida, Auburn and Georgia all winning SEC titles.

The stiffarmtrophy.com website called it for RG3 this morning, which means it is almost an absolute certainty he will win (they’ve gotten it correct every year since 2002 — 9 in a row). And they aren’t just guessing — they collect all of the votes that voters make public via Twitter, blogs, newspaper columns, etc., and then they do a statistical projection.

So RG3 is gonna win. Which is awesome for him, Baylor, and the Big 12.

Dedfisher, what is your point in injecting race into the discourse? Blake Gideon is a poor safety because he’s white? Texas is doomed because the pool of specifically black athletes in its home state is too small?

The second point seems laughable on its face. Texas has done just fine recruiting the Texas athletes, black or white, it wanted. It has unfortunately done much less fine in evaluating and selecting the right personnel in recent years.

Re Gideon: Not for nothing, but judging by phenotype at least, the best offensive weapons on the Texas team in most of the last five years arguably have been white dudes. So that means . . . what precisely? I don’t know. Trying to understand your point here.

I don’t think anyone has argued the SEC is “going somewhere.” It has major programs and will remain competitive. I think some are just saying that there’s nothing structurally to suggest SEC has some irreversible, indomitable structural advantage over every other conference now and forever. I’m in that camp. The college landscape changes with remarkable speed. Who ten years ago would have expected to see Boise State called a “football power” in a newspaper today? Who would have predicted the ACC would be as irrelevant as it’s been for the past several years?

I think Blake Gideon is a poor safety because he’s stiff in the hips and doesn’t possess top end spend. Kind of reminds me of myself and Cody Davis. And, who ever said Texas was doomed? I would suggest that the SEC is a defense dominated conference because it’s much easier for all the programs across the board to fill out their roster with speed.

I’ve got to move on now, so I’ll just give up. You’re right and I’m way off base on this win. I’ll check back in at the 100 meter dash in the Summer Olympics.

“one” not “win”.

I’m really happy if RG3 wins the Heisman, helluva QB. I guess his performance vs Texas put him over the top.

I don’t understand why people are giving Ded grief because he pointed out that the fastest black guys tend to be faster than the fastest white guys. No matter what the reason is, it is a fact.

If Griffin wins it, he should be very thankful for the following things:

1. Nebraska and Colorado leaving the conference, eliminating the conference championship game;

2. Texas agreeing to move the Baylor game to that weekend;

3. LSU beating Bama earlier in the year, meaning Richardson not playing last weekend;

4. Stanford/Luck not playing last weekend;

5. Texas’ top 3 RB’s being injured and last 6 QB’s not panning out.

If any of those events don’t fall into place, it is very likely that Griffin isn’t the winner.

Having said all of that, I think he deserves it this year. Almost as much as VY deserved it in 2005 when Reggie had his “monster” game when USC’s defense couldn’t stop Fresno State – and then the voters turned in their ballots before the 70-3 Big 12 championship game.

“I don’t understand why people are giving Ded grief because he pointed out that the fastest black guys tend to be faster than the fastest white guys. No matter what the reason is, it is a fact.”

Because that isn’t what he said.

Major Major
“Dedfisher, what is your point in injecting race into the discourse? "

Ded’s implied point is obviously that the fastest black guys tend to be faster than the fastest white guys and that the SEC states have a structural recruiting advantage because they have such a large number of blacks living there.

“Texas is doomed because the pool of specifically black athletes in its home state is too small?”

Ded never claimed that Texas is doomed.

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