Vince Young dreams of being Tim Tebow

Mr. Johnson still can’t explain to me why we needed the riding crop, saddle and chloroform for the photo shoot, which he did personally, although he didn’t know to take the lens cap off the camera.

Never really been on the Tebow bandwagon. I think he’s one of the Heisman ‘winners’ in the sense that they had to give it to someone that year.

The kid can’t hold VY’s jock. Anyone who says otherwise is either a homer (Meyer) or a hom - er, severely misguided - (Johnson).

In other news, Andre Jones dreams of being Ronnie Wilson.

This is ridiculous. I can’t fucking handle shit like this . . . anym . . . I can’t do it. He’s just too dreamy.

Tim Teabag can swim in my pool any time! Tell that guy Huckleberry he can come too.

Vince couldn’t even win the Heisman in college period.

You’ve sold me.

VoiceOfReason posted that? This is the greatest case of false advertising I’ve seen since I sued the movie The Never Ending Story.

Let’s put it this way.. if Tebow had had as poor a game against as weak a team as Texas A&M last season he wouldn’t have won the Heisman.

Tebow had more people gunning for him than anyone in the history of college football. Not only was he being hyped like crazy last season but he was accounting for 70% of his teams entire offense for the season. Something Vince Young had never done. Something no one has ever done.

Yet never did Tebow have as poor a running game as Vince Young in that Texas A&M game. In that game Vince Young’s teammates carried him. That’s why Tebow has a Heisman and Vince doesn’t.

And that’s why VY isn’t in Tebow’s league. Tebow’s ability to function as a true runningback and his superior passing ability put him on a completely different level than VY.

Yep Vince always disappeared in the big games, that’s how he’ll always be remembered. Like that -15 yards rushing he had in the loss to Georgia last year.

One other thing, Tebow did all this with Meyer calling the plays, VY did it with Greg freaking Davis as his OC. That is like breaking the 100m world record wearing ankle weights.

Seriously are you messing with us and I was dumb enough to take the bait? I picture CA typing away while cackling at my responses as his dog sits on his lap growing more nervous with each reply.

Vince had 8 carries for 52 yards (6.5 ypc) in the A&M game plus 3 sacks with 32 yards lost. Statistical total of 11 carries for 19 yards.

Against Georgia last year Tim Tebow had 7 carries for 25 yards (3.6 ypc) plus 6 sacks with 40 yards lost. Statistical total of 13 carries for -15 yards.

And your “carried by his team” argument is so full of shit it’s funny. As though Vince Young didn’t carry his team to multiple victories including two BCS bowl wins.

Finally, the argument that teams geared themselves to stop Tebow is just plain dumb when you’re using it to argue against Vince Young in college. Seriously? Your 70% figure is obviously based on the fact that Florida gained 5943 yards of total offense last year while Tebow threw for 3286 and ran for 895. 70.35% of the team yardage.

In 2005, Texas had 6657 total yards (what a shock, a better offense) while Vince ran for 1050 and threw for 3036. A piddly 61.38% of the team yardage.

Meanwhile, Tim Tebow was responsible for 66.04% of Florida’s plays last year. Vince was responsible for 51.01% of Texas’ plays in 2005.

So, brainiac, in 2005 Vince Young either ran or threw the ball on 51.01% of our team’s plays and was responsible for 66.04% of our team’s yardage.

In 2007, Tim Tebow either ran or threw the ball on 66.04% of the team’s plays and was responsible for 70.35% of their yardage.

Plays in 2005 where Vince was responsible resulted in 8.51 yards per play. Plays where Vince was not responsible resulted in 5.58 yards per play. Vince being responsible for the play resulted in 52.64% more yards per play than when he wasn’t. And this doesn’t even take into account the huge holes he opened for Charles and Young on the zone read.

Tebow plays resulted in 7.47 yards per play. Non-Tebow plays resulted in 6.12 yards per play. So Tebow’s involvement increased the average yards gained per play by 22.03% compared to other UF players.

Looks to me like 2005 Young was 2.39 times better than 2007 Tebow. Are you sure stupid stats like 70% of the team’s offense are where you want to go with this? Anyone can be all of their team’s offense if the team’s offense is only about the one guy running or passing.

“”"Yep Vince always disappeared in the big games, that’s how he’ll always be remembered. Like that -15 yards rushing he had in the loss to Georgia last year.”"”

Are you drunk? Te bow had a poor runnign game while severely injured against arguably the best defens ein the league.. with no defense of his own. Vince Young had a terrible running game and 2 turnovers against arguably the worst defense in the league.Not only was he dominated that weekened by Reggie Bush.. causing him to lose the Heisman.. he wasn’t even the best Qb on the field that day against 5 and 6 texas A&M that year….

“”"One other thing, Tebow did all this with Meyer calling the plays, VY did it with Greg freaking Davis as his OC. That is like breaking the 100m world record wearing ankle weights.”"”

When Vince was playing just a few seasons ago running Qbs and the spread offenses were nowhere near as well prepared for as they are today. All of college football is running their QBs. If you really think about it that says more about the strategy of running your Qb than it doies about how good vicne Young was. It actually shows how Vince was helped by simply using that strategy.. more so then than now because teams are much more prepared for it.

Vince also had a much more well balanced running game and a light years better defense.. and he was facing weaker competition on a regular basis.. and still didn’t perform as well.

“”"Seriously are you messing with us and I was dumb enough to take the bait? I picture CA typing away while cackling at my responses as his dog sits on his lap growing more nervous with each reply.”"”

Are you messing with me? Have you seen Vince Young play outside of college?

Vince Young is turning out to be the first Alex Smith.. rather than the first Tim Tebow..

“When Vince was playing just a few seasons ago running Qbs and the spread offenses were nowhere near as well prepared for as they are today.”

Yep, Vince running really took DC’s by surprise- it was like they had no idea what he was up to. Only the most well scouted programs were ready for it. I’m also amazed at the sea change in defensive personnel and philosophy that has occurred between 05 and 07. It is a credit to the defenses that they were able to recruit for, devise and install this defense during that time.

“Are you messing with me? Have you seen Vince Young play outside of college?”

I kind of assumed this whole discussion was about college, since, well, Tebow is still in college and the Heisman seems to be one of the main criteria you are citing. We could bring in pro and high school if you like.

And I love it when people post stats that suppport the opposing persons argument and then act like it refutes their argument.. as if you are going to blind someone with numbers.

“”"You gonna addresss Huck’s post there, champ…? I’m kinda doubting it because he tore you three new assholes.”"”

“”"I kind of assumed this whole discussion was about college, since, well, Tebow is still in college and the Heisman seems to be one of the main criteria you are citing. We could bring in pro and high school if you like.”"”

If you are only going to include Tebow’s college performance to date and Vince Young’s performance to the same age then there is no contest whatsover. Vince Young was nowhere near Tebow’s level at the same age.

Tebow had no decent running game to suport him or take pressur eof him.

Tebow was both the rpimary running back runnign between the tackles as well as filling the role of an elite caliber QB. Tebow had the second highest passer efficiency..

Tebow was filling 2 of the toughest and most valuable roles on his tema by himself.

Vince Young had a very solid running group to take pressure off him to allow him to run outside the tackels. This is why Young had bigger runs and why Tebow had shorter runs per posession.. as well as Tebow being focused on more because he accounted for so much of the offense.

Not only didn’t Vince Young fill the same role for his team.. he couldn’t if he wanted tp. He’s not durable enough. which is why he wa sunable to run on such a poor defense at Texas A&M.

And I like how you try to pretend a 44th ranked run defense is an excuse for such a poor running performance. LOL Now that’s desperation. You don’t have a leg to stand on in this debate.

Are you arguing against VY being an elite running QB?

That game also shows how one dimensional Vince was.. put him against a slightly better than horrible run defense and even with one of the poorest pass defenses in the league he still couldn’t pass at a very high level.

Tebow would have ran and passed better against that team.. which shows why Tebow is so special.. legendary really.

Being better at both those aspects of the game combined makes Tebow exponentially better as a QB. It also shows how soft VY was compared to Tebow. Which is why Tebow will translate to the pros so much better than VY and why VY is struggling in the pro game so much.

Tebow had no decent running game to suport him or take pressur eof him.

Tebow was both the rpimary running back runnign between the tackles as well as filling the role of an elite caliber QB. Tebow had the second highest passer efficiency..

This is fucking hilarious.

If I thought this was real I would wonder if any human being could be so stupid as to not understand that arguing that Tebow was the only good weapon Florida had actually devalues the fact that he accounted for a high percentage of the offense. If Troy Smith had played with 10 peewee players at Ohio State he would have been 100% of the team’s offense. Same with any decent player.

By the way, Vince Young was #3 in passing efficiency in 2005. And he averaged two-and-a-half more yards per rush than Tebow.

And you know what happened when Vince faced the #1 rushing defense in the nation in 2005? He ran for 76 yards, threw for 270, and we won.

You know what happened when we faced the #4 rushing defense that year? He ran for 45, threw for 241, and we won.

You know what happened when we faced the #11 rushing defense twice that year? He ran for 58 and 57, threw for 336 and 193, and we won twice.

For the record, Georgia had the #16 rushing defense last year. They held Tebow to -15 rushing yards. In case you forgot.

So in 4 games against Top 20 rushing defenses, Vince averaged 59 yards rushing, 260 yards passing, and the offense averaged 45.5 points in FOUR WINS.

In 2 games (that’s right, only two) against Top 20 rushing defenses, Tebow averaged 26 yards rushing, 197 yards passing, and the offense averaged 27 points in TWO LOSSES.

Average rushing defense faced by Vince in 2005: 47.4

Average rushing defense rank faced by Tebow in 2007: 59.8 (and I didn’t even count D-1AA Western Kentucky)

Yep, that schedule was much tougher on a running quarterback.

“”"This is fucking hilarious.

If I thought this was real I would wonder if any human being could be so stupid as to not understand that arguing that Tebow was the only good weapon Florida had actually devalues the fact that he accounted for a high percentage of the offense. If Troy Smith had played with 10 peewee players at Ohio State he would have been 100% of the team’s offense. Same with any decent player.”"”

But he would have the top ranked offens ein the league genius.. lol

Seriously.. this is the poorest use of logic I have ever seen.. then to pretend to be condescending on top of it? It’s beyond sad.. You have lost all credibility..

“”"By the way, Vince Young was #3 in passing efficiency in 2005. And he averaged two-and-a-half more yards per rush than Tebow.”"”

hahahahaha So you are comparing VY redshirt Junior years to Tebow’s true sophomore year… keep losing credibiltiy.. I didn’t think it was possible to lose more credibility..

VY only passed for 100 yards his first year as a true sophomore. VY was nowhere near Tebow’s league as a passer…

“”"And you know what happened when Vince faced the #1 rushing defense in the nation in 2005? He ran for 76 yards, threw for 270, and we won.

You know what happened when we faced the #4 rushing defense that year? He ran for 45, threw for 241, and we won.

You know what happened when we faced the #11 rushing defense twice that year? He ran for 58 and 57, threw for 336 and 193, and we won twice.

For the record, Georgia had the #16 rushing defense last year. They held Tebow to -15 rushing yards. In case you forgot.”"”

And yet he couldn’t run more than 19 yards on the 126th ranked defense in CFB..

Those good gasmes you point to just show you how a good team can raise the level of a player and make them overrated. But there is absolutely no excuse for the performance VY had against such a poor team in Texas A&M.

That they won that game even with VY poor performance shows how that team was carrying them.

VY didn’t deserve the Heisman over Reggie Bush for the same reason that he isn’t on Tebow’s level right now.

But of course.. you will now tout his Longhorns team successes and ignore his current teams failures..

Hey Huckleberry.. are you still comparing Tebow’s sophomore season to VY Redshirt Junior seaosn? LMFAO

My god this is sad..

Wow.. talk about self deluding statistics.. LOL

VOR makes a valid point- Tebow won the Heisman, VY didn’t.

VoiceOfReason, sit down… You have been taken to the woodshed and beaten.