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The Future of Offense?

July 24th, 2008 by dedfischer

The A-11 offense designed by a couple of coaches in California to help them be competitive against the big private schools in their division.  I present to you the 11 man version of 6 man football:

A-11 Offense - Shift Happens!

Review and discuss.

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  1. RolloTamasi
    July 24, 2008 at 5:53 am

    This is insane. The quarterback must be really good under pressure but it seems like every other Texas high school has a guy that could run this system.

  2. dedfischer
    July 24, 2008 at 6:24 am

    Maybe this would be the perfect answer for you guys to get Colt McCoy and John Chiles on the field at the same time. Or better yet, Chiles and Garrett Gilbert. I bet this is the direction Mack heads in the future.

  3. Horn Brain
    July 24, 2008 at 6:59 am

    dedfischer, that’s a joke, yes? My sarcasmometer has been on the fritz lately.

  4. RolloTamasi
    July 24, 2008 at 7:06 am

    If we weren’t so good at recruiting and developing 0-lineman I would be tempted by this system. I’m sure some 1AA team will pick this up and later a 1A school will attempt it with some revision.

  5. Horn Brain
    July 24, 2008 at 7:14 am

    So I just read on their blog that the NCAA has an added bit of language saying that “it must be obvious that a kick may be attempted” for the scrimmage kick formation to be legal. How exactly does that work? I’m sure some refs would consider it obvious that we may attempt a kick since Colt is back there and pooch punts occasionally. Would we have to punt out of the formation the first time we use it so that it would be obvious that we “may” attempt a kick? That kind of ruins it, though, since if we had to punt, teams would just line up for a block and ignore the fake, since we HAVE to punt it. I can see disasters and blood.

  6. Ag
    July 24, 2008 at 7:38 am

    At first it is confusing but after a few series you pick up on the keys and know what they are doing just two steps after the play starts. If those wide recivers (glorified tackles) that are covered up don’t take off across the line of scrimage it is a pass and they are out of possition to pass protect. If they do cross the line of scrimage it is a run or screen. In this case you don’t need to cover any of the recivers that went down field beacuse they would have illeagle blockers down field so your entire secondary needs to haul a** towards the line of scrimage and find the ball. Again most of your players can’t make an open field block because they are out of position or not athletic enough. You favorite Coach Bob ran this against us his first year at OU and they killed us for two series. Then because we had a good defencive coach back then (RC) we made adjustments. They just beat us the old fashioned way after that. I’m sure against high school kids that are not prepared it could work for one or two games. But the in college it would give the defence the advantage on many plays.

  7. dedfischer
    July 24, 2008 at 8:06 am

    Could you imagine rpongett having to break this shit down?

  8. Big Satan
    July 24, 2008 at 10:04 am

    That thought alone is enough to make us want to adopt it immediately.

  9. dedfischer
    July 24, 2008 at 10:10 am

    Speaking of the future of offense, I had my first chance to see Garrett Gilbert play. Fox Southwest was replaying the state championship game against Highland Park on during lunch. He just made a throw right before halftime that I’m not sure there’s a current starting QB in the Big 12 could make. Josh Freeman has the arm to do it, but he never would have seen the play. Gilbert had a deep drop, like 7 steps or something, and the HP right DE just almost met him at the spot. He shuffled his feet forward where the HP left DE was now barreling for his chest. He couldn’t step all the way into his throw due the proximity of the defender, so he kind of had to flick it down the field. 42 yards. Across his body. To a wide open receiver. In stride. Fuck, I thought he was Peyton Manning. That dude’s unreal.

  10. HenryJames
    July 24, 2008 at 10:28 am

    Matt Stafford used to make that throw.

  11. Sailor Ripley
    July 24, 2008 at 10:50 am

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  12. Greg Davis
    July 24, 2008 at 10:55 am

    We’re going to line up in the A-11 one or two plays per game this season. It’s a great formation because you can have six receivers running 2-yard hitch patterns all at the same time. The Sooners won’t know what hit ‘em, especially when I follow it up with 8 straight rocket pitches to the short side.

  13. dedfischer
    July 24, 2008 at 11:31 am

    Yeah, Stafford could do it. Thankfully, he’s not in the Big 12. I saw Stafford play live in high school and he’s on my Short List.

  14. Art Vandelay
    July 24, 2008 at 11:46 am

    I saw the throw dedfischer is referring to in person… and it was unbelievable. The kid has some things to work on, but that gun is something else.

  15. dedfischer
    July 24, 2008 at 11:49 am

    I forgot to add that it was into a 15 to 20 mph wind.

  16. ChrisApplewhite
    July 24, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    Uphill.

  17. mdr
    July 24, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    Ha! Love the pic, Sailor.

  18. Beergut
    July 24, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    Hmmmm…..

    Ninja, used by Mike Leach @ OU in 1999 (they kicked our ass with it, several plays in a row, we couldn’t stop it) and @ Tech in 2000 (we were prepared for it, and stopped it).

    —–X-T———LG-OC-RG———T-Z—-
    ——H—————————-Y—–
    ——————F–Q——————-

    I’ve also heard it referred to as Lonesome Polecat. This isn’t new.

    This reminds me of when Dale Weiner claimed that he created the Spin offense and an article was posted in AFM. He and the AFM staff were inundated by a deluge of mail from football coaches everywhere asking if they had ever heard of a single-wing motion series?

    Sounds like another case of someone “inventing” something that has already been done before by someone else.

  19. Beergut
    July 24, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    My spacing didn’t work out too well on that diagram.

    Lonesome Polecat

    In perusing the A-11 site, this looks more like an adaptation of the old single wing short-punt formation.

  20. ryancobb
    July 25, 2008 at 5:58 am

    This question may be stupid, but:

    Don’t seven players have to be on the line of scrimmage when the ball is snapped? Do six players just jump up before the snap?

    Also, can anyone foresee any rule problems with this offense?

  21. Musburger
    July 27, 2008 at 6:20 am

    Theoretically, a team would be able to get their best 11 athletes on the field. Ideally, you’d have 1 true shotgun center, 1 QB, a Chiles type athlete as the RB, 2 or more TE types, and several great athletes spread all over the field. I can envision last year’s Missouri or OU squads running such an offense with their talented TE’s lined up as guards.

    We’ll probably see a Division I team go to something like this, but as usual, it will first be attempted at one of the more obscure programs. Perhaps a team like Baylor with a nonconformist head coach will be the first to showcase such an offense. A cellar-dwellar might suddenly go 6-5 and make it to a bowl game and then use the exposure to recruit better talent. The name programs will scoff at the offense as a gimmick before eventually adopting the same schemes years later. Isn’t this what has happened the past decade with respect to shotgun, single back offenses?

  22. Beergut
    July 27, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    “Don’t seven players have to be on the line of scrimmage when the ball is snapped?”

    Yes, 7 men have to be on the LOS on every offensive play. If you look closely at the video on the site, they make sure to have 7 on the LOS every time, although I don’t think the refs are trying too hard to enforce that rule.

    From what I understand, this numbering rule does not transfer over under NCAA rules, so you can’t run it in the NCAA as is, i.e. with two TEs around the center.

    “We’ll probably see a Division I team go to something like this, but as usual, it will first be attempted at one of the more obscure programs. ”

    A&M-OU ‘99 and A&M-Tech ‘00, Leach ran what he called Ninja in both games.

    It is basically the same formation, but with a lineman split out with trips receivers on each side, and one receiver behind the other two players.

    BTW, my link above is mislabeled. That is Ninja, not Polecat. Polecat is different, although it too has been run recently in D-IA college football.

    I don’t think you’ll see someone at the DI-A college level go to the A-11, but you never know.

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