Comments on: How to build an offensive line: OU style http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:27:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Jim http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-17845 Jim Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:21:01 +0000 http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-17845 I see that Henry James is still pretending to know something, anything, about football. LOL I see that Henry James is still pretending to know something, anything, about football.

LOL

]]> By: Ramonce Taylor http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-17304 Ramonce Taylor Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:27:34 +0000 http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-17304 <i>When you say violating team rules, do you mean committing multiple felonies?</i> Did somebody say multiple felonies? When you say violating team rules, do you mean committing multiple felonies?

Did somebody say multiple felonies?

]]> By: Turk 182 http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-17300 Turk 182 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:17:49 +0000 http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-17300 not accepting the previous arguments of the sooner nation. -OU cheated. Texas cheated. OU has been bit by it more recently. Move on. -Dont even try to sling the 'dirty, felony-riddled program' in OU's direction. The impressive Fulmer Cup runs the last few years should give any realistic UT fan pause for mud slinging regarding off the field issues. -Jarboe was hardly dismissed due to our incredible depth at WR. Quite the contrary. The kid was a phenom athlete. Sucks to lose him but he knew (or should have been aware) that he was on thin ice. Resultingly, nobody should be all that shocked at what happened. Without the prior issue in high school, it probably is an issue that gets handled internally. -If UT fans truly want to cast OU as the new Fresno State, feel free. -and as for this 'argument' regarding Oklahoma taking Texas players. Really? Texas has the deepest and arguably richest talent pool in the nation. Anyone remotely close to the state would be foolish for not recruiting it like their program depends on it (because it does). If Kansas was 6 times the size it was and had their high school football as organized as the A's farm system, we would recruit the shit out of that state too. not accepting the previous arguments of the sooner nation.

-OU cheated. Texas cheated. OU has been bit by it more recently. Move on.

-Dont even try to sling the ‘dirty, felony-riddled program’ in OU’s direction. The impressive Fulmer Cup runs the last few years should give any realistic UT fan pause for mud slinging regarding off the field issues.

-Jarboe was hardly dismissed due to our incredible depth at WR. Quite the contrary. The kid was a phenom athlete. Sucks to lose him but he knew (or should have been aware) that he was on thin ice. Resultingly, nobody should be all that shocked at what happened. Without the prior issue in high school, it probably is an issue that gets handled internally.

-If UT fans truly want to cast OU as the new Fresno State, feel free.

-and as for this ‘argument’ regarding Oklahoma taking Texas players. Really? Texas has the deepest and arguably richest talent pool in the nation. Anyone remotely close to the state would be foolish for not recruiting it like their program depends on it (because it does). If Kansas was 6 times the size it was and had their high school football as organized as the A’s farm system, we would recruit the shit out of that state too.

]]> By: BoomerFreakinSooner http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-16407 BoomerFreakinSooner Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:00:42 +0000 http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-16407 Kafka (and all you other clowns down there). Certainly OU relies on players from other states to fill it's roster (It's not against the rules is it? I mean, we wouldn't want to be accused of cheating). But does that really concern you? Shouldn't you be more concerned about WHY the cream of the crop in Texas wants to go north of the Red River to fulfill their college football dreams? It's true we allowed a cheating Texan, Bomar, in our state and on our team. How did he repay us? By cheating, like one would expect a Texan to do. Good job raising him! What did OU do? Kick him off the team, immediately. What else would you have OU do? Vow to not recruit anymore Texans, 'cause there apt to cheat? There was never any cheating with AD and his car. His mother attempted to buy and couldn't arrange financing. I personally know of another similar situation NOT involving a student athelet who attempted to purchase a car under circumstances similar AD, and couldn't get the financing done. The dealership encouraged them to keep the car and continue to attempt to arrange financing. This went on for nearly 45 days, so AD's situation is not uncommon and is not a special consideration that is any different from something someone who is not associated with collegiate athletics might experince. OU doesn't have anymore lax standards than any other university has. The bottom line is that universities (including UTerus) are in the people business and occassionaly people are going to behave badly. When they behave badly on OU's watch, OU gets rid of them. UTerus employed a web designer who fraudulently created a false news story about 2 OU football players, using graphics stolen from and newspaper web sight in Oklahoma and a UTerus computer system. Have you ever heard 'people in glass houses shoudn't throw stones'? That applies to people like you. If your mediocre team can't keep the homegrown talent, that's your problem, not ours. Kafka (and all you other clowns down there). Certainly OU relies on players from other states to fill it’s roster (It’s not against the rules is it? I mean, we wouldn’t want to be accused of cheating). But does that really concern you? Shouldn’t you be more concerned about WHY the cream of the crop in Texas wants to go north of the Red River to fulfill their college football dreams? It’s true we allowed a cheating Texan, Bomar, in our state and on our team. How did he repay us? By cheating, like one would expect a Texan to do. Good job raising him! What did OU do? Kick him off the team, immediately. What else would you have OU do? Vow to not recruit anymore Texans, ’cause there apt to cheat?
There was never any cheating with AD and his car. His mother attempted to buy and couldn’t arrange financing. I personally know of another similar situation NOT involving a student athelet who attempted to purchase a car under circumstances similar AD, and couldn’t get the financing done. The dealership encouraged them to keep the car and continue to attempt to arrange financing. This went on for nearly 45 days, so AD’s situation is not uncommon and is not a special consideration that is any different from something someone who is not associated with collegiate athletics might experince. OU doesn’t have anymore lax standards than any other university has. The bottom line is that universities (including UTerus) are in the people business and occassionaly people are going to behave badly. When they behave badly on OU’s watch, OU gets rid of them. UTerus employed a web designer who fraudulently created a false news story about 2 OU football players, using graphics stolen from and newspaper web sight in Oklahoma and a UTerus computer system. Have you ever heard ‘people in glass houses shoudn’t throw stones’? That applies to people like you. If your mediocre team can’t keep the homegrown talent, that’s your problem, not ours.

]]> By: Spider http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-16174 Spider Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:00:29 +0000 http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-16174 Thank you, NateHeupel, for stopping by to demonstrate why someone who couldn't qualify academically at LSU would be accepted at OU. Thank you, NateHeupel, for stopping by to demonstrate why someone who couldn’t qualify academically at LSU would be accepted at OU.

]]> By: TaylorTRoom http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-16158 TaylorTRoom Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:48:42 +0000 http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-16158 I see a lot of Sooner fans argue that they don't rely on Texas players to achieve elite status as a program. They're deluding themselves. The state of Oklahoma just doesn't have a large enough population to grow enough talent to be a perpetual top 10 team. That's why Switzer said recruiting Texas was one of the three fundamentals of his program. I see a lot of Sooner fans argue that they don’t rely on Texas players to achieve elite status as a program. They’re deluding themselves. The state of Oklahoma just doesn’t have a large enough population to grow enough talent to be a perpetual top 10 team. That’s why Switzer said recruiting Texas was one of the three fundamentals of his program.

]]> By: Kafka http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-16157 Kafka Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:43:55 +0000 http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-16157 Nate, You should look at the OU depth chart (listing the guys that actually play some) and count the number of players from Texas and the number of players from Oklahoma. In recent years, there are pretty much always way more Texans than Oklahomans. for example, if you look at the 2007 depth chart on O, there are 9 Texans and 3 Oklahomans (and a bunch of guys from other states (i.e. not Oklahoma)). If Oklahoma tried to win with home grown Oklahoma talent, it would not crack the top 20. There is absolutely no point in arguing about my other two criticisms for Oklahoma (cheating and lax standards). Oklahoma is renowned for cheating (recent examples the car for AD and Big Red for Bomar and his OL buddy). If you can't admit that, you are simply not dealing with reality and we can agree to disagree. I was interested in discussing how an Oklahoma fan can get much satisfaction from a team of hired guns (i.e. not local boys), some of whom play at OU because they are either paid under the table (AD, Bomar, etc), and some who slide in at OU but would not be accepted at more reputable schools (such as UT). <em>Or even <a href="http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style" rel="nofollow">LSU</a>.</em> What I am trying to understand is the win at all costs philosophy. I assumed that the typical sooner fan is simply shameless (i.e. cheating is fine so long as you don't get caught) and desperate for any achievement. Your response has shown me that denial is probably a bigger factor. Regarding the points that you raised, they are not very interesting in general and have nothing to do with the points that I actually want to discuss. I don't think you and I have any more to discuss since we have different views of reality. Nate,

You should look at the OU depth chart (listing the guys that actually play some) and count the number of players from Texas and the number of players from Oklahoma. In recent years, there are pretty much always way more Texans than Oklahomans. for example, if you look at the 2007 depth chart on O, there are 9 Texans and 3 Oklahomans (and a bunch of guys from other states (i.e. not Oklahoma)). If Oklahoma tried to win with home grown Oklahoma talent, it would not crack the top 20.

There is absolutely no point in arguing about my other two criticisms for Oklahoma (cheating and lax standards). Oklahoma is renowned for cheating (recent examples the car for AD and Big Red for Bomar and his OL buddy). If you can’t admit that, you are simply not dealing with reality and we can agree to disagree.

I was interested in discussing how an Oklahoma fan can get much satisfaction from a team of hired guns (i.e. not local boys), some of whom play at OU because they are either paid under the table (AD, Bomar, etc), and some who slide in at OU but would not be accepted at more reputable schools (such as UT). Or even LSU.

What I am trying to understand is the win at all costs philosophy. I assumed that the typical sooner fan is simply shameless (i.e. cheating is fine so long as you don’t get caught) and desperate for any achievement.

Your response has shown me that denial is probably a bigger factor.

Regarding the points that you raised, they are not very interesting in general and have nothing to do with the points that I actually want to discuss.

I don’t think you and I have any more to discuss since we have different views of reality.

]]> By: NateHeupel http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-16150 NateHeupel Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:29:34 +0000 http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-16150 "It is perplexing that the sooners are so proud of their success when a lot of that success depends on cheating, lax standards, and importing most of their players from Texas." Aside from this entire sentence being incorrect... It is perplexing that UT named their stadium after an OU alumnus. An OU all-American and Vince Young are the only reasons UT has any success of note. Without Royal, UT is like Texas A&M (a flash in the pan that's really just a national joke) but more pompous. To get to the point, I think this is the result of a straight trade. OU cut Jarboe not because of a weak rap, but because they were deep at WR anyway and needed an experienced OL for 2009. The rumor is that Jones made a rap (irony) insulting Katrina victims, and Les Miles had to boot him for PR. Who here has read Jim Dent's "The Undefeated", laying out extensive allegations of cheating? Kafka, go ahead and raise your hand high. Who here knew that author Jim Dent is up for parole this year after spending the last 4 years in prison? I always trust ex-cons, how about you? “It is perplexing that the sooners are so proud of their success when a lot of that success depends on cheating, lax standards, and importing most of their players from Texas.”

Aside from this entire sentence being incorrect…

It is perplexing that UT named their stadium after an OU alumnus. An OU all-American and Vince Young are the only reasons UT has any success of note. Without Royal, UT is like Texas A&M (a flash in the pan that’s really just a national joke) but more pompous.

To get to the point, I think this is the result of a straight trade. OU cut Jarboe not because of a weak rap, but because they were deep at WR anyway and needed an experienced OL for 2009. The rumor is that Jones made a rap (irony) insulting Katrina victims, and Les Miles had to boot him for PR.

Who here has read Jim Dent’s “The Undefeated”, laying out extensive allegations of cheating? Kafka, go ahead and raise your hand high. Who here knew that author Jim Dent is up for parole this year after spending the last 4 years in prison? I always trust ex-cons, how about you?

]]> By: Kafka http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-16100 Kafka Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:09:31 +0000 http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-16100 It is perplexing that the sooners are so proud of their success when a lot of that success depends on cheating, lax standards, and importing most of their players from Texas. Having said that, their biggest advantage right now is Bob Stoops. they deserve a lot of credit for that hire (OU is Stoops' first head coaching job at the college or pro level). I love college football, especially the horns, but I'm not sure that it makes complete sense for universities (which are all about research and education) to have these huge football programs that have nothing to do with education or research. Obviously it can be very profitable for the university so my qualms are not financial. My issue about college football (as practised by UT, for example), is that it is not really amateur but is a big business. I don't know where you draw the line but I guess I would prefer that schools would be playing players from their own area for one thing (as UT does for the most part). I also think that if college football is not really going to be an amateur sport, then the players should be paid whatever their market value is. It is perplexing that the sooners are so proud of their success when a lot of that success depends on cheating, lax standards, and importing most of their players from Texas.

Having said that, their biggest advantage right now is Bob Stoops. they deserve a lot of credit for that hire (OU is Stoops’ first head coaching job at the college or pro level).

I love college football, especially the horns, but I’m not sure that it makes complete sense for universities (which are all about research and education) to have these huge football programs that have nothing to do with education or research. Obviously it can be very profitable for the university so my qualms are not financial.

My issue about college football (as practised by UT, for example), is that it is not really amateur but is a big business. I don’t know where you draw the line but I guess I would prefer that schools would be playing players from their own area for one thing (as UT does for the most part).

I also think that if college football is not really going to be an amateur sport, then the players should be paid whatever their market value is.

]]> By: vvn8bs http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-16059 vvn8bs Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:20:32 +0000 http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henryjames/how-to-build-an-offensive-line-ou-style#comment-16059 Easy to throw stones when you call Austin home. The rest of us will sit quietly in our glass houses. Easy to throw stones when you call Austin home. The rest of us will sit quietly in our glass houses.

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