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Posted by CloseToJumping on November 21st, 2008 under Football
We’re now looking at what? 3 weeks worth of what-if’ing so far in regard to the BCS standings? It’s usually pretty fun as a weak consolation prize when you’re not undefeated and this year seemed like it could be as fun as any with Texas right there on the edge. Of course, as a sports fan, why in the hell would I have expected it to continue being simple fun for any reliable period of time? It’s basically nothing short of naivete.
I should have known better and understood that eventually, life, our fanbase’s femininity, and OU darkness would eventually catch up to me and pull me back into the abyss of fanatic BCS debilitation. So here we are, with this huge game tomorrow clouding the majority of the UT fanbase’s judgment and making all of you dumber and lesser men for the experience, not unlike having your ball’s removed in an Oklahoma City bar or staring at an Oprah show with Mad Dog for an hour.
In reality, the reasons for rooting for OU are specious, at best. The reasons for rooting against them are just, honorable, and represent all that is right with us as fans of the Texas Longhorns.
“We need to root for OU because they represent our best chance of making it to the Conference and BCS title games.”
I can’t dispute that OU represents the only chance for us to win the conference. So? Is that the ultimate prize? Conference Titles are nice, just like Honda Accords and self-flushing public toilets. They’re all capable of giving you better comfort. They’re also nothing anyone ever brags about, or really gives a shit about among peers.
Frankly, an OU victory makes the path to the national title game more difficult. Beating Missouri once felt fun and simple. Beating them again will be much harder, as we know all too well. Missouri is a good ballclub. They were overmatched by us mentally as much as anything, but they’re capable of beating anyone. Tech is not some behemoth rising from the west, incapable of being put down by similar competition. This is far more true on a neutral site near Mizzou. And we certainly know how rabid Missouri fans can be. I was once mistaken for Quinn Snyder at a Kansas City strip mall and was nearly clubbed to death by 2 farmers and a transvestite for both my lookalike hairstyle and the demise of Missouri basketball. I wouldn’t wish coping with those fans on anyone. I digress. The point is that a Tech loss to Missouri works better than any other scenario for us making it to the national title game.
An OU win ultimately guarantees us nothing at a national level and that is too risky for us to have a rooting interest. They could very well lose to a good OSU team the following week. They could win out and jump us entirely. Tech could somehow not fall far enough to drop behind either of us. The BCS in and of itself is utterly unpredictable because it is ultimately defined as much as anything by human emotion. Rooting for OU in this game as though the favorable outcome of an OU victory is remotely close to a probability fails to consider simple human frailty. We expect people to credit us at that point with a win 6 weeks ago? Uh huh.
“Rooting for OU makes me uncomfortable, but it is what we have to do.”
The whole mantra behind our fanbase’s behavior for this game is disturbing and reeks of douche.
For one, an OU victory brings harm to our lifeblood, recruiting. Please don’t ever doubt this. OU victories against Poontang State harm us in recruiting, much less victories in the national spotlight against another highly ranked team. They reap benefits from talking heads, high school coaches, and worse. We compete year in and year out for players that compare the two programs. Every moment like this matters significantly for multiple years to come. The more they can appear to be headed downward, the better it is for us. Rooting for them is tantamount to rooting for us to lose to them over the next half-decade.
For two, rooting for OU is a dirty act against God and he resents it. It goes against our religion and there are consequences for that. Our nature is to loathe them for good reason and defying nature is dangerous. These are dirty folk. They lack opposable thumbs and breathe openly through their mouths. They cheat and steal, usually from family and friends. Rooting for them is pretty much a clean break from who you are and there is not a real way back to who you were. You can’t unring that bell. Your Oklahomic flambosity will be noticed by the rest of us and you’ll never be able to wash that stink off of you. Crossing over to the other side is a despicable act of treachery and you should be hunted down and gutted with an ice cream scooper by your family.
Finally, it’s all for naught. OU is not going to win this game. While this Tech team is no historical juggernaut, they’re better than this OU team, even on the road. The line, the computer models, the talking heads, they’re all dealing in the ether on this game. The OU being cast out there for consideration is the not the OU that’s actual showing up on the field each week. Rolling also-rans or worse since the defeat to Texas does not remedy the glaring holes that exist on that team. The primary weakness that can’t be ignored is their back 7. They’ve got little to match up with Crabtree and Co. Jackson and Franks were pimpslapped and made to cry by the likes of Cosby and Shipley. The notion that those 2 and the safeties can hold down the Tech passing game is ridiculous. Perhaps Austin Box can conjure the spirit of Torrance Marshall or Rocky Calmus.
Beyond the soft underbelly that is the OU back 7, there are two other glaring weaknesses with OU. The biggest remaining problem for them is their adherence to process over thought. The staff is dead set in their defensive scheme and Venables has shown this to the world a thousand times over. Lure the safeties up and throw over them, usually with play action. Rinse and repeat. This normally hasn’t mattered when they play Tech, given Tech’s weak running game in the past. It matters now. Tech has a running game and a short passing game and those will serve as the flame to the moth. Harrell is capable of pushing the ball downfield and Crabtree is certainly capable of getting there. The other big inhibitor for the OU victory is the head coach. Big Game Bob has become a veritable tub of goo, a Big Game Slob, if you will. Not sure what’s caused it, probably his overwhelming hubris, but his teams don’t play up anymore. These are all things we can count on in this matchup.
On Saturday night, I will be watching Tech wedge a size 15 up the collective ass of the OU fanbase and their team. They will be cackling from behind as they do it and an entire football nation will be guffawing and pointing at the okies in unison. You have choices you can make heading into this game as a Texas fan. I certainly hope you come out the other side better for it, but if you’re not, don’t expect us to feel for you. Benedict Arnold will cheer your behavior.
Hook ‘em.
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Also, read CA’s thoughts on mutually assured destruction.
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BiggUggly said:
November 21st, 2008 at 11:53 am
No sane Longhorn fan who has ever attended a Texas/tech game in Lubbock at night can agree.
As bad as OU fans seem, they are light years ahead of West Texas Body and Fender students and alums.
Leaving the game, I was prepared to take a human life. I use the term “human” loosely.
Hooked said:
November 21st, 2008 at 11:59 am
Amen.
Nordberg said:
November 21st, 2008 at 12:00 pm
If Tech keeps winning, we’re fucked. No Big 12 title, no NC game. And there’s a decent chance that the only thing we need is one Tech loss and we play for the national championship. How any Texas fan could pull for Tech is beyond me.
Bottom line: Tech loses tomorrow, and Texas is the new #2 in the BCS.
ATXHornsFan said:
November 21st, 2008 at 12:13 pm
CTJ, I agree. You have eloquently stated the arguments which I have been making for days. Thanks. Hook Em Horns, and beat the hell out of OU!
redpants said:
November 21st, 2008 at 12:19 pm
It is a proven fact that Tech stench is water based and comes off easily while OU stench is grease based and much harder to remove.
I think CloseToJumping is right about this game. Tech is simply the better team, so if both teams execute, Tech will win. I think Tech knows it and OU is going to know it at halftime. There is no CCG for Texas, so forget about that. It will not happen. A Tech victory is the best chance for UT to get into the NCG. UT fans hoping for an OU victory in a game of this magnitude are really…I mean really stupid.
redpants said:
November 21st, 2008 at 12:25 pm
And No means No. There is no CGC for Texas. OU WILL JUMP YOU IN ALL POLLS WITH WINS OVER TECH AND OSU. Your nightmare scenario is OU winning out. It just so happens that that is Tech’s nightmare scenario too becasue we would be going to the Cotton bowl.
Big Satan said:
November 21st, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Anyone who thinks Texas is going to be #2 in the BCS if OU wins tomorrow is beyond help and might need to be put down. Are you fucking Seriously? Ou beats the #2 team in the country, and you don’t think they’re going to leapfrog us while we’re idle? They’re breathing down our neck anyway. Plus what the pollsters will do (Jump them above us). Good god man, we’re idle, if nothing else.
Nordberg said:
November 21st, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Or, OU wins out and Texas wins the Big 12 and plays for the national championship. That could very well happen too.
I’m not sure you understand the BCS math as well as you think you do.
dedfischer said:
November 21st, 2008 at 12:30 pm
CTJ, I actually like the shit out of you, or at least, have a lot of respect for your football mind. I just don’t think the OU defense is as salty as they’ve been in the past, and if Todd Reesing and Dezmon Briscoe, can successfully execute playaction, I hanging my hopes that Harrell and Crabtree can. Or Britton.
David Cross said:
November 21st, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Strip mall or strip bar?
Big Satan said:
November 21st, 2008 at 12:33 pm
H predicated his entire post on the fact that you can’t trust the voters to give you the credit that we deserve. He’s not talking about math as much as predicting human behavior…and pollsters have a long track record of having short memories and going with the flavor of the day.
From there he covered the general advantages to us in the worst case scenario being guaranteed a BCS game, and potentially still getting a shot if Tech loses to Mizzou.
DJ said:
November 21st, 2008 at 12:38 pm
If it was guaranteed that an OU win would help us, I would root for them. Say Tech already had one loss and an OU win meant we both finished with one loss and we win the tie-breaker. Then I root because it clearly helps us. Nothing is guaranteed here.
Would I rather see Tech win out and go to the MNC and we play in the Fiesta Bowl, or risk the chance that OU wins out and goes to the MNC while we play in the Fiesta Bowl?
I’d much rather see Tech than OU in Miami in January and it comes down to recruiting. We don’t compete with Tech for recruits like we do with OU. OU playing in the MNC is a worst case scenario.
I, like Nordberg, hope that voters look at the body of work and the head-to-head matchups and put us ahead of OU. But it’s not looking great right now, and I will be so pissed if they go instead of us that I would genuinely fear for the safety of those around me.
Here’s to a weekend of not rooting for anyone, hoping for copious amounts of injuries, and seeing how it all shakes out.
Nordberg said:
November 21st, 2008 at 12:41 pm
“I, like Nordberg, hope that voters look at the body of work and the head-to-head matchups and put us ahead of OU. But it’s not looking great right now, and I will be so pissed if they go instead of us that I would genuinely fear for the safety of those around me.”
Computers make up one-third. Don’t forget that.
uthookem said:
November 21st, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Yep, I’m afraid it’s Wreck ‘Em Tech!
sexytractor said:
November 21st, 2008 at 12:54 pm
clap clap clap
dedfischer said:
November 21st, 2008 at 12:56 pm
That’s what I haven’t understood about the mentality of the Texas fanbase. You all seem to agree that Tech is a one year wonder, which may possibly be true. However, you insist on rooting for OU because it “might” give you a better chance of getting beat on by Florida. You should be rooting for us to get beat on by Florida, so you save face, and Tech starts picking off some of OU’s recruits. We don’t really “compete” with Texas for recruits, but the same cannot be said about OU and Leach has shown he can pick them off. Not many, but 4 or 5 year, which for UT’s sake, keeps OU from getting better. Fuck, it was the Aggies and Nebraska before it was OU. And, we took care of them for you. Next on the plate for Leach is OU. I’m not sure our budget Tech will ever have a big enough budget to overcome their program, but winning 2 out of 3 has certainly helped our defense. And, I’m not necessarily talking about the recruits OU gets, but more the ones who in the past chose to go to Mizzou, NU, Col, etc. Those have proven to be enough for Tech to pick away at a minimum.
Tim's Bleeding Vagina said:
November 21st, 2008 at 12:57 pm
forgive me if i trust the analysis of folks like syntex who have crunched the numbers and have a history of predicting the BCS as accurately as one might be able to.
us making the big game comes down to tech having a loss. that is a lot more likely tomorrow night than it is against mizzou. anyone who predicts with certainty that a one loss ut or ou will be ranked higher at the end of conference play is a damn fool. based on the projected numbers, that is probably 60-40 in our favor right now. a lot can change between now and then to move that number. the one thing that is certain though… tech needs to lose. i have a lot more faith in ou making that happen than mizzou.
ChrisApplewhite said:
November 21st, 2008 at 1:09 pm
A Tech win will have benefits to us in the long run, but not right now.
We’re really in a no win/no lose situation. I just want to see a good football game.
Even if Tech runs the table, Leach and Crabtree are gone anyway, so Tech an an institution will not gain anything recruiting-wise. Sure, they won the Big 12 South, but those guys are gone, will be the pitch.
If we end up in the MNC, even better.
DJ said:
November 21st, 2008 at 1:10 pm
But either way you’re taking a chance.
Tech wins: We take the chance that they lose to Mizzou in the Big XII title game and fall behind us. Probability=35%
Worst case scenario - Tech goes to MNC, we go to Fiesta Bowl
OU wins: We take the chance that they beat OSU and stay behind us in the polls. Probability=50% (Nord says 60, but I think that’s too high. It is going to be ridiculously close-probably a couple thousandths of points)
Worst case scenario - OU goes to MNC, we go to Fiesta Bowl
Either way I see us going to the Fiesta Bowl (not a bad consolation prize) if our chances don’t work out.
So, it comes down to, are you willing to take the extra 15% chance of a NC game to risk seeing OU there instead. I personally don’t think it’s worth it and I’m choosing to not root for either team to win because neither scenario guarantees us anything.
DJ said:
November 21st, 2008 at 1:12 pm
My post was a response to TBV by the way. I just type too slowly.
Kansas Horn said:
November 21st, 2008 at 1:13 pm
I would rather take my chances with Tech losing to Mizzu…. At least in this scenario, we should be guaranteed to be in a BCS game (possibly the MNC), and OU will NOT be in a BCS game.
I think this is better for recruiting in the future to have OU out of the BCS all together.
Levander Williams said:
November 21st, 2008 at 1:44 pm
You have crystalized my thoughts exactly. Well said.
F OU.
TaylorTRoom said:
November 21st, 2008 at 1:47 pm
I close my eyes, and imagine a world where OU has lost. Their defense has almost certainly been embarrassed. They would be 9 - 2, out of the BCS, and given only a week to prepare for a rested OSU in Stillwater. OU could finish the season 9 - 3, preparing to play an unranked Big 10 team in San Antonio.
Or if OU wins…great for Texas.
Facebook User said:
November 21st, 2008 at 1:50 pm
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anonymous said:
November 21st, 2008 at 1:53 pm
The OP is correct in all respects.
Nordberg said:
November 21st, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Man, all that dude needs now is a cooler.
dedfischer said:
November 21st, 2008 at 2:06 pm
That place is awesomeness. If they say a man can’t break a unicorn, then why am I riding one right now?
Phenomenal Smith said:
November 21st, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Nordberg wins. Well done.
SL Xpress said:
November 21st, 2008 at 2:55 pm
I can’t believe there are still Longhorn fans insisting on “rooting” for OU after that incredibly insightful diatribe.
Let me put it another way, you heathens. You’re going to be sitting there in your overstuffed lounger, wearing Depends, with a bag of Cheetos on the side table and your dick smeared in orange. You’ll sit on the edge of your seat at kickoff. Then you’ll be consigned to the football fanatic Hell of Mixed Emotions.
I, on the other hand, with fan watching motivations pure as the driven snow, will be able to wholly exult over another OU choke job, just like I have every single one of their other ones.
Let me harken back to what apparently is ancient history for you rubes. 2003 Big 12 Championship game. All of Longhorn netdom is rending their hair and gnashing their teeth because they’re “forced” to root for OU so that Texas can make it to a BCS game. Fuck that.
Instead, my burnt orange Polly Purebread heart cackled like a mad man as I watched Kansas State surprisingly put a completely thumping on those a-holes. It was greatness!
Here’s the thing to remember. I realize in your deluded fantasies some of you think you can actually affect the outcome of a game. I hate to break the stark reality to you…but you can’t, and you don’t. Whoever you root for, it’s not going to make one whit of a difference regarding what transpires on the field.
Given that completely salient — but distressingly overlooked — FACT, why in all that is holy would any Texas fan want to root for the craven, misshapen, mutant abomination of college football that is OU and their collective fanbase?
Forget what the BCS ramifications are. I’m going to be rooting for Tech so I can once again lord it over all you pusillanimous pussies who insist in giving in to your weaker natures when a critical decision time is reached.
This is the kind of event that determines your true nature. I’m not a forgiving person. Like in the bible, I hope cheering on OU blackens your insides, and sends you to a place in football fandom where your being cries out for a drop of water. I’ll be the guy peering over, fitted with my burnt orange halo, with a tall, cool glass of burnt orange colored iced tea in hand, guffawing at the top of my lungs at you poor saps who thought you could trick the heavens by selling your UT soul for a pittance.
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dedfischer said:
November 21st, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Wow.
Bob in Houston said:
November 21st, 2008 at 3:02 pm
I remember 2003, SLX. Didn’t bother me a bit when OU got crushed.
EyesOfTX said:
November 21st, 2008 at 3:08 pm
I’m still gonna get drunk and root for OU. Anyone who believes OU will jump us in the BCS if they beat Tech is just silly. Really, really silly.
BoomerFreakinSooner said:
November 21st, 2008 at 3:18 pm
SLX - I seem to remember OU in the NC game following the K State fiasco. Where was UTerus?
SL Xpress said:
November 21st, 2008 at 3:37 pm
You mean the NC game, BFS, where Big Game Bob was swallowing another chicken bone in a big game setting, this time via LSU?
It’s 2008. As each year goes by, it looks more and more like Stoops caught lightning in a bottle in 2000. He’s going to find a way to choke this season away, too. I can hardly wait to see it, and I especially look forward to watching the OU fans eat their own when it happens.
bat said:
November 21st, 2008 at 3:40 pm
If OU wins, lots of scenarios can take us to the MNC game:
- An OU loss to OSU and a Tech loss to Missou
- An OU loss to OSU, and a Tech win over Missou but a BCS tiebreaker over Tech
- An OU win over OSU and a BCS tiebreaker over OU
- An OU loss to Missou and a BCS tiebreaker over Tech, followed by a Texas win over Missouri
There’s more downside here, including the potential for OU to play in the MNC game, and the chance that we could lose to Missou and fall out of the BCS.
If Tech wins, we have fewer paths to the MNC, and no paths to the conference championship:
- a Tech loss to Baylor and a BCS tiebreak over Tech
- a Tech loss to Missou and a BCS tiebreaker over Tech
The downside here is no shot at the conference championship. We’re in a BCS bowl for sure.
Tech wins, we’re in the BCS with a win over the Aggies. OU wins, we have more paths to the conference championship and the BCS championship.
Red Heeler said:
November 21st, 2008 at 3:41 pm
“Our nature is to loathe them for good reason and defying nature is dangerous. These are dirty folk. They lack opposable thumbs and breathe openly through their mouths. They cheat and steal, usually from family and friends. Rooting for them is pretty much a clean break from who you are and there is not a real way back to who you were. You can’t unring that bell.”
Truer words were never spoken. I can substitute Aggie for Sooner and know in my heart why I will be high fiving every time McCoy hits Shipley for a TD on T-Day. Man up and admit you nature. Do it now and you will be a lot less confused on Sat night when you find yourself yelling “Yes!” when Crabtree slashes into the endzone or a DE blindsides Bradford and Bob flings his visor in disgust. Like the scorpion and the alligator it is in our nature. Guns Up, baby.
CloseToJumping said:
November 21st, 2008 at 3:54 pm
bat-
One scenario I never hear anyone reference at this juncture is the Tech rematch. I realize that some believe that UF is above the rim right now, but we’ll see. If they lose to FSU and beat Bama, Texas plays an undefeated Tech for the title. That isn’t wildly farfetched, albeit unlikely.
Longhorn in Canada said:
November 21st, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Spot on, CTJ. People forget the worst possible scenario, which is: OU wins out, beats Mizzou, goes to Miami and wins! Stoops gets all the recruits that want a chance to play for championships. I have to slit my wrists, and I have too much to live for.
srr50 said:
November 21st, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Thanks, CTJ, for bringing me back from the edge, your diatribe was the tipping point.
When broken down to it’s simplest form, it is always best to root against OU.
ALWAYS
Kriess said:
November 21st, 2008 at 4:38 pm
My Lord how sweet would it be to have 3 teams in the BCS games? Especially the fact that we get 2 in the NC. A rematch would just make me thrilled. And the Beautiful fact that OU will be at the Cotton Bowl. Im lovin it.
sooner tim said:
November 21st, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Two team max per league in BCS which is why, like last year, one of the 5 best teams in the country will play in the Cotton Bowl.
Game tomorrow night comes down to if OU can get pressure on Harrell. Need 4-5 sacks to win.
p said:
November 21st, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Nothing would disgust me more than seeing OU violated by that gigantic fist that you saw in the porn shop and wondered……”Who the FUCK, uses that thing?”……….. Well Florida does, and the Sooners would gladly bend over and take it without the courtesy of lubrication.
I am tired of them embarrassing our conference year after year. The rest of the big12 does their part. Texas has won 4 bowls in a row. Mizzou has won 2 0f 3. Tech has won 3 of 4. Isn’t it funny that the two teams that have been dragging us down in bowl games are the land thieves, and aggies.
With everything being said about the defense played in this conference, we can’t afford to let anyone go into the NC game and get woodsheded say….55-19.
he hate me said:
November 21st, 2008 at 5:49 pm
What BiggUggly said…I’ve been to games in Fayetteville, Columbus and Columbia, cougar tinkertoytown in Houston, collie station, wacko, Rose Bowl, NYC Meadowlands v. penn saten, and of course The State Fair, etc and etc….but the ONLY time I ever felt I might get my butt beat on just for wearing some UT gear was in lub-buttocks…1968, we’d lost (Street replaced Super-Bill and almost pulls it out)and me and my buddies’re about a block outside what was then a pitiful excuse of a stadium very appropriately named Jones, when TWO pick-ups stop and the 6 occupants start giving us crap…one of my buddies lost two front teeth in the aftermath…never seen/experienced a more Neanderthal bunch of fans in my life, and have never been back to a game there, which is probably just as well for them and me…
redpants said:
November 21st, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Eyes, you’re an idiot and I’m sad to say you are not alone. I say that with a heavy heart becasue I respect your football savy and your banter, but you are f_ing retarded if you think OU will be behind UT in the BCS if they run the table. There is no tiebreaker. OU jumps UT in the BCS on Sunday if they beat Tech. There is more distance between Tech and UT right now than UT and OU. Tech has street cred now and every pollster in the country will be watching that game. No one will care that you beat OU a month ago when it’s a 3-way tie in the south. OU will jump FL and UT with the human vote. If they beat OSU they can sleepwalk through Mizzou to the NCG. You can either casually put your guns up or passionately bleed for OSU, but believe me, the best chance you have at avoiding OU in the NCG is tomorrow when a better football team plays OU.
redpants said:
November 21st, 2008 at 6:27 pm
While I’m on the stump… I’ll tell you what pisses me off. People saying Lubbock is the worst place for a visiting team. Tech fans are only mean to teams who win (or have won)there on a regular basis. If you lost in Lubbock all the time, the fans would be the nicest people you have ever met. It’s your football team’s fault that people are rude to you.
bat said:
November 21st, 2008 at 6:42 pm
ctj, you’re right. There are a bunch of scenarios where Big 12 teams play each other in the NC game. Two of the top 4 teams have tough games left. OU, Texas and Tech all have the juice to get there. I don’t think Tech will get the chance to play OU, but Texas and OU could also make it there.
Two Big 12 South teams in the MNC and 3 Big 12 teams in the BCS (say, Missouri, Texas, and Tech) would be as close to a doomsday scenario for the BCS as you could imagine. It’s not too hard to imagine, either. OU wins twice and wins the BCS tie break, but loses to Missouri in the Big 12 Championship. Alabama loses once to Auburn and again to Florida; Florida loses to FSU. (Other scenarios apply as well.) Voters keep hating on USC. Tech edges into number 2, and Texas goes in at number 1. Missouri has to be taken as the league champion. BCS 1 and 2 have to play in the championship.
Right now, if Texas keeps winning, we know we will go to a bcs bowl as #1, #2, or #3, with an outside chance at #4. The question is which one, and whether we have to win one game or two to get there.
he hate me said:
November 21st, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Hey redrants..if you’re being ironic, please sign off with a smilely face or something (;>), otherwise we’ll think you’re serious…know what I mean .I..?
redpants said:
November 21st, 2008 at 7:01 pm
I am very serious.
redpants said:
November 21st, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Damn, I forgot the smiley face thingy again.
SlickStreet said:
November 21st, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Eyes, I’ve read how difficult it will be for OU to jump above us even if they take out Tech and Okie State, but I don’t trust the pollsters at all there.
-We must have been watching that game together, dude!
EyesOfTX said:
November 21st, 2008 at 8:25 pm
redpants: first off, fuck you.
Second, I don’t believe OU will run the table. They’ll beat Tech, then lose to OSU. But even if they should win both game, they will not pass Texas in the BCS. Bank it.
vangeestdabeast said:
November 21st, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Would I be an absolute fool to believe there is a chance of a rematch should the stars perfectly align?
Florida loses to FSU but beats ‘Bama, UT and TTU win out, and Oregon State wins the Pac 10. (Utah losing would sure up most other doubts)
A 2 loss Florida (even as SEC champ) would have a hard time jumping a 1 loss Texas. A USC team that has played no one all year and didn’t win the shitty Pac 10 would be hard pressed to jump us. You can completely rule out the Big 10, ACC, and Big East. That would leave you with a very improbable rematch, or an equally improbable Utah TTU national championship game.
My logic could be massively flawed here, but should all of this fall into place, we should have a very good shot of playing for it all.
vangeestdabeast said:
November 21st, 2008 at 8:58 pm
fuck. While the page was taking 30 minutes to reload I read that someone posted the exact same scenario. hi5.
redpants said:
November 21st, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Eyes, don’t fuck me. I’m telling you true, Homes. UT doesn’t have the meat on the remaining schedule to hold off the media swell around an OU victory over Tech then an equally hyped OSU game. Next week there will be no more assistant coaches to use for UT headlines and the press will either gush over the Tech story or hype the OSU game as the Big 12 South title game. Mizzou is still your only friend. This is wasted conjecture, though. I think Tech wins tomorrow.
CrazyJoeDavola said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:40 am
I want OU to win from a purely mathematical standpoint.
If Tech pantses them - which is quite possible given how often OU shits the bed in crucial games - I will shed no tears. In fact, I will raise my glass of bourbon to the Raiders and wish them well in the CCG and (presumably) the MNC game.
Any team that so regularly and thoroughly torments the Aggies is OK by me, even if we get caught up in the collateral from time to time.
It always amuses me when I see Tech fans get hard up about Texas and our fans. Dudes, outside of our annual game, we have no problem with you people. Pretty much to a man/woman we all have respect and even genuine affection for Mike Leach. Techsters don’t generally talk more than their share of shit, and what shit they do talk they often back up.
Except for Derek Dorris, because seriously, fuck that guy.
First Jive Dude said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:12 am
Homes?
TaylorTRoom said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:13 am
There is a lot of misunderstanding about what happens in the polls when a team wins or loses a big game. Let’s review.
On Oct. 5, OU was #1 in the AP, and Texas was #5. When Texas beat OY by 10, the pollsters had two decisions- where to put Texas and how far to drop OU. They put Texas at #1, and dropped OU to #4 (highest rated 1-loss team).
The Oct. 26 AP poll still had UT at #1, OU at #4, and undefeated TT at #6. Tech beat Texas by 6 points. The pollsters raised Tech to #2, dropped Texas to #5, and dropped OU to #6. The coaches’ poll and Harris polls had OU ahead of Texas. There was, in the next few weeks, discussion of where OU should be ranked with respect to Texas, given that Texas beat OU. The polls now have, uniformly, Tech #2, Texas #4, and OU #5.
The problem with scenarios that have pollsters giving great BCS credit to Tech or OU for late season wins is that you have to argue that the pollsters will move Texas down significantly. There is no evidence they would do so. They only moved OU down 3 spots when they actually lost a game, and down two spots when Texas lost a game (the Harris and coaches’ poll didn’t drop OU a bit when Texas lost).
If OU beats Tech and OSU, the pollsters are not going to shove Texas to #5 or #6 just to create space. OU is expected to beat Tech and OSU, and their current ranking reflects that. OU might jump Texas, but given Texas’ notable lead in the polls, it’s doubtful. OU will not vault Florida or Alabama with a win. Best scenario for OU is OU at #3, and Texas at #4.
If Tech loses to OU, but wins the B12 south (OSU beats OU) and B12 CG, again, their best poll finish would be #3 or #4. The polls will not push a Texas team that hasn’t lost since November 1 to #6 (behind TT, an SEC team, Utah, USC, and some other school I can’t even think of- Bal State?) just to give Tech space in the BCS final ranking.
In summary. Texas is too close to the top for significant poll space to be created. The top 5 in the polls get the most thought by the voters. You’re arguing that a bunch of the polled have to say, “A week ago I thought Texs was the 4th best team in the nation, but now I think they’re only 6th, after watching OU beat Tech.”
dedfischer said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:08 am
Leaving for Norman shortly. I will be bringing back scalps. Anybody looking for a good blanket or beads for Christmas presents? Let me know and I’ll grab that shit too. I’m getting a buffalo robe for my dad.
lowery said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:22 am
Could you bring me back a 1973 El Camino with four spare tires?
dedfischer said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:25 am
Yeah, I guess so. I’ll have to swing by Rockwall and pick up the trailer first. Will a Ranchero suffice?
EyesOfTX said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:11 am
Man, I haven’t been called Homes in years.
Taylor, that’s exactly right. And as you have seen in analyses of this posted elsewhere, for OU to jump us in the polls, pretty much every voter in both the Harris and Coaches’ polls that switched to move Texas ahead of OU in the last three weeks would have to switch their votes back the other way. That’s not going to happen, and it’s also very unlikely OU will move ahead of us in the computer polls in any scenario.
We need Tech to lose to OU tonight or to Missouri in the Big 12 CG. Tonight’s the most obvious opportunity.
Brian Combs said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:39 am
Good post, CTJ. I pretty much agree with everything you said on my own blog.
Javorskie Lane said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:47 am
Could you pick me up some Arby’s or three?
Kriess said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:23 am
No Mangino already cleaned it out
marc said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:27 am
it comes down to the 2 evils of holding football teams, there will be an orgy of holding tonight, i think the one who gets called less will win, may god please strike down both teams so we dont have to hear anything about either of them again, in vince i pray, amen… p s, would rather have all 1 loss teams and leave it up to the dumb computers
marc said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:28 am
it comes down to the 2 evils of holding football teams, there will be an orgy of holding tonight, i think the one who gets called less will win, may god please strike down both teams so we dont have to hear anything about either of them again, in vince i pray, amen… p s, would rather have all 1 loss teams and leave it up to the dumb computers in the end
Javorskie Lane said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:28 am
Do they have Grandy’s up there…that or anything from Panchos?
Kriess said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:56 am
No Charlie Weis cleaned that place out
BonghornFandLag said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:50 pm
I will be rooting for the better team to win. In my mind that’s ou, as I still think that Tech is overrated and have been the beneficiary of too many bad or non-calls to count in Lubbock.
I read somewhere that they were the most penalized team in the Big 12 prior to the Texas game - pretty miraculous turnaround they were able to pull off at home, huh?
I fucking hate ou. After the SWC disbanded and we joined the Big 12, ou took over in my book for Arkansas - the most classless fans in all of college football. But I know that ou is a better team than Raider High, and am still very bitter about that “loss” in Lubbock a few weeks ago.
Fuck tech and ou.
DBH said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Bold assurances from Eyes:
“Anyone who believes OU will jump us in the BCS if they beat Tech is just silly. Really, really silly.”
“Second, I don’t believe OU will run the table. They’ll beat Tech, then lose to OSU. But even if they should win both game, they will not pass Texas in the BCS. Bank it.”
Bookmarked.
Walter Sopchak said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Finally, it’s all for naught. OU is not going to win this game. While this Tech team is no historical juggernaut, they’re better than this OU team, even on the road. The line, the computer models, the talking heads, they’re all dealing in the ether on this game. The OU being cast out there for consideration is the not the OU that’s actual showing up on the field each week. Rolling also-rans or worse since the defeat to Texas does not remedy the glaring holes that exist on that team. The primary weakness that can’t be ignored is their back 7. They’ve got little to match up with Crabtree and Co. Jackson and Franks were pimpslapped and made to cry by the likes of Cosby and Shipley. The notion that those 2 and the safeties can hold down the Tech passing game is ridiculous. Perhaps Austin Box can conjure the spirit of Torrance Marshall or Rocky Calmus.
I heart BC.
ponderos said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:45 pm
This might be my favorite BC post evar.
NateHeupel said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:49 pm
CTJ, how it is you became a barker, I’ll never understand. You MUST have the pics of HenryJames strangling that transvestite hooker in an alley near 6th Street. Aside from that, you are clearly the dumbest person on this site. When I say that, I’m including steven and tim. Your ability to use logic and analyze football is on par with echeese, Bill Little, and Brent Venables. Congrats.
“Jackson and Franks were pimpslapped and made to cry by the likes of Cosby and Shipley.”
Cosby and co. were averaging weak numbers (13 points and 4 yds per play) until Ryan Reynolds went down and OU started the retard parade at MLB that didn’t end until Austin Box got comfortable in the position. Even Colt McCoy admitted that they went after the middle when Reynolds went down.
“The notion that those 2 and the safeties can hold down the Tech passing game is ridiculous.”
Speak now, or forever hold your peace.
“OU is not going to win this game. While this Tech team is no historical juggernaut, they’re better than this OU team, even on the road.”
Between your Tech prediction and this, reading your work is no more than watching the child of echeese and steven trying to be clever using a format preprinted by Scipio to mad lib with.
dick said:
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:50 pm
That is a standard CTJ post if you hang around this site much. The man only speaks with conviction.
Gene Claude said:
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:02 am
Dude, steven makes Ralph Wiggum look like Stephen Hawking.
I see a lot of wishful thinking re: OU staying behind you guys. What everyone is discounting is that, in the event of a 3 way tie, the pollsters will know they have the power to choose a south champion and a likely NC game participant and will vote accordingly. And we all know how pollsters love the “playing the best football now” argument.
I sincerely hope we get a chance to visit with you guys again in Arrowhead. I’m not all that confident that we’ll win, but I believe we won’t suffer quite as much anal leakage this time. Plus, I don’t need my town filled with Sooner fans. Ick.
Barking Carnival — Blog — Sooner Tragic said:
September 8th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
[...] I posted on this last season before they played Tech, and there was this concept among the UT fanbase that they should root for OU because if OU won, Texas would then be lined up for the title. Um, no. You would have to be dumber than Sam Bradford’s cross-eyed, 1000-yard stare to ever do this not once, but twice. Only bad things happen when OU wins. That has never not been true. [...]