DeLoss Dodds Speaks Truth to Power

Loved what he said about Texas OU in Dallas. Also a nice shot at aggy and how our game with them isn’t that big a deal as OU is our true rival.

Yeah, I was going to post this on shaggybevo but saw you had already done that. All around excellent interview by Dodds.

With regard to keeping the A&M; game (question coming right after Dodds saying how hard Texas would fight to keep Texas-OU):

“That game – the rivalry game for us has always been Oklahoma. The A&M; game’s been a great game and all of that. And we may play ‘em. But it’s not something that we have to do. I think the Oklahoma game is something we have to do.”

Truth.

Oops. I need to learn to type faster. mdmost beat me to it.

Well, except for the fact that Dodds IS the power.

Good to hear Dodds actually talking rather than just let the media speculate like crazy. I thought it was a good job by him, too.

Not that I think we should share Tier 3 revenues, but I don’t buy the Tier 3-donor $ equivalency.

Why not? He could have used various other examples, too. Ticket sales, merchandise sales, etc.

Explain why you don’t buy it.

I’m predicting we’re about to be inundated with a plethora of lucid, well thought out comments from our Agricultural guests.

Damn, that is a good interview.

Dodds: Go ahead and vote on the tier 3 money, you might win the vote, but you’re not going to get the money. Oh and before you vote, you may want to consider who held the conference together twice, and how much money you’re going to make when we’re independent and you’re in the Mountain West. (You being K-State, Iowa State, etc.)

It’s amazing to me that all these schools think they have some kind of right to our tier 3 money. They didn’t put any work into it, they didn’t put any investment into it, but for some reason they think they have a right to it.

Thanks to Dodds for the response on Tier 3. It sounds alot better than the “it’s America, we’re Texas, fuck ’em” that I have been rolling with.

I think it’s inherently different. Donations are made because an individual believes his money will go towards a certain goal he wishes to achieve – educational/athletic/charitable/etc. Athletic revenues – of any type/tier – are available because of the more mass appeal (or supposed mass appeal) of the activity. Tier 3 revenues, just like Tier 1, inherently rely on the fact that there is another group involved. Pickens’ donation to OK State, for example, was made out of the same thought processes as if it had been to the science department (there was just simply a different goal in mind). They can almost be seen as mirror images of one another, actually: we get $300M b/c we ARE great athletically & he gave $300M b/c he WANTS them to be great athletically.

“[The academic side is] 10 percent of the network, and they’re gonna get 50 percent of the revenue.”

Most viewers will appreciate the fact that it’s not the other way around.

That thought process falls apart when you realize that the athletic department only exists because there is another group involved. There is no Oklahoma State Athletic Department to donate money to without the schools they compete against. They would not have any teams that just practiced and never played anyone else. On the other hand, the academic side of an institution can exist, certainly certain departments, without another group involved. They research and teach for knowledge and learning’s sake.

Do you think Boone Pickens gives $160M to Oklahoma State’s athletic department if they’re in the Sun Belt playing against Louisiana-Monroe as their main rivals?

He probably wouldn’t be, no, but he might be if he thought it would improve the performance. Remember the thing last year with the FedEx chairman and Memphis? Even the B1G, which shares gate receipts, doesn’t share donor money. A donor is an individual putting his own money where his mouth is. Athletic “revenue” is sales by the department to outside parties.

Briefly mentioned this on the Twitter, but I’m amazed this insightful, wholly truthful article gets published on Tulsa World, of all places. I mean, other than the Andy Staples interview which was eerily similar, the national media has largely avoided any type of positive pub regarding UT. This is the kind of stuff that needs to be more proliferated amongst the national media. Get that spin machine churning, Dodds.

jc: next stop on the Dodds PR Express – the Omaha World Herald!

I am shocked they didn’t have Dave Sittler conduct the interview.

Love to see The Mack Adams Hour, parlin.

The statement about Fox warehousing all our sports is spot on.

But I always keep in mind his oft quoted statement (which he has since said he regretted muttering in a fit of anger):

“We ARE the Joneses”

(all AD’s please kiss the pinkie ring on the way out where the secretary where give you your parting gift)

That old Kansas State track coach has come a long way. I didnt realize he was 74.

Great interview. Dodds is a stud, however this all plays out.

Oklahoma’s doing a great job. And the relationships between the two athletics departments is really good.

So UT & OU are BFFs again?

Joetx -

Note that Dodds specifically said between the two athletic departments. Once Boren and the OU university-level administration got involved things went sour.

2nd comment on Tulsaworld article: CharlieTimmons (58 minutes ago)
The lies and spin spewing out of DeLoser’s mouth are too numerous to count. He and that entire school are disgusting.

This response makes me laugh almost as hard as the final 5 minutes of Aggie vs Arkansas.

One key bit of the interview that should get A LOT more play (if Dodds gave half a sh*t about PR, which he apparently doesn’t) is the split of LHN money with the University. The school gets 10% of the air time and 50% of the revenue. That’s staggering. At a time of stressed tax and investment revenues, our football program found a way to increase its subsidy to the academic side by at least $7.5 mil a year. That’s pretty significant and it gives a bit of insight as to why the BoR wouldn’t let Powers come to an agreement to leave the conference (i.e., renegotiate the LHN deal) without their express permission.

Joetx,

As far as I’m concerned the fact that other conference schools feel entitled to revenue from the LHN that they did nothing to earn and were happy to ignore prior to the LHN is ridiculous. Dodds appears to agree with me, you can agree with OU and the Aggies if you want to.

I’m waiting for this or any other Tulsa World commenter to actually write down one of these too-numerous-to-count lies.

To be fair, the average Tulsa World reader can’t even count to zero.

Also, a friendly reminder – no politics on Barking Carnival. Yes I removed the politics from some of the posts in this comments section.

He reiterated that they told everybody they were going to do a network. None of this was a surprise, but people acted offended because it worked — no one ever asked Nebraska or A&M; why they were breaking up the conference while Texas was still there.

You know, the K-State connection is one that doesn’t get mentioned very much. I wonder how much Deloss Dodds desire to stay in the Big 12 has to do with a sense of obligation to K-State.

Of course, he is doing what’s best for UT, (and where their interests diverge I’m sure he puts UT first), but the fact that we have twice had the opportunity to move on and twice passed, thereby keeping KState in a BCS conference can’t hurt his feelings.

Hell, even if he doesn’t give a shit about K-State anymore, they need to get Erin Andrews in to do an expose on Deloss Dodds connection with K-State. After it airs, every football game you watch will be filled with talk about how Dodds nostalgia for K-State saved the Big 12. It’s a much better story than UT is a greedy bastard.

Someone correct me if I’m wrong but don’t teams (e. g. KU and Rice) garner Tier 3 revenue when they play on LHN? What’s the problem with conference members getting another piece of T3 $$$ – even in a rotating scenario – from the LHN or any other network for a conference game? Are the deals with other schools that appear on the network shared in which ways (in Olympic sports as well)?

WMcClyde prolly covered it – or did he?

Is there any chance Texas goes Independent soon or in the near future?

There are comparisons in the inherent deficiencies of a complete “shared” approach. Like the missing incentive for the under-performing,under-earning programs to work hard to better their brands and increase their revenues if they are cut a comparatively large check by the “haves” for doing nothing more than showing up to games. There is a competitive benefit to being able to keep what you’ve earned.

Everybodys a capitalist until a few of them fail at it. Then they want yours because its “fair” Life is tough. Not everybody gets a fucking trophy and ice cream out here.

As for OSU having someone to play, thats true for UT as well. The LHN has zero upside if we are stuck with a shitty conference schedule.

I dont care what anybody says, losing CU, Nebraska, ATM and now potentially Mizzou and replacing that with Louisville and Cincy has no appeal at all. And spare me the BYU bullshit because that is a niche brand with no national appeal either.

If we dont end up in the Pac or the Big 10 eventually the LHN is going to be a millstone around DeLoss’ neck.

PS: Dodds has been quoted as saying that they don’t want to do that, so I would assume they will attempt to avoid it.

adding WVU and TCU sounds good to me. TCU won a Rose Bowl. Has Neb or aTm sniffed a BCS let alone win one. WVU has a BCS appearance and a win. Accomplished more than Mizzou. There is still hope.

Dodds needs to do more of these interviews and stay out in front of the story. Pointing out the hypocrisy of the other institutions on rev. sharing, etc…. puts things into perspective.

“Phenomenal Smith said: October 5th, 2011 at 9:53 am

Is there any chance Texas goes Independent soon or in the near future?"

You mean, is there any chance the conference disbands and doesn’t require Mizzou to pay a penalty? No.

Also, I don’t think OU, TAMU, NU or Mizzou care that much about the LHN $. They just talk about the money because that’s more acceptable than griping about what really scares them- the branding potential for Texas, and having to recruit against a really fun infomercial.

You mean, is there any chance the conference disbands and doesn’t require Mizzou to pay a penalty? No

Ha. Hadn’t thought of that. Damn.

Besides, I’m sure if you asked Neinas what would happen if Texas went Independent, he’d tell you that the Big 12 is still very viable. He’s sounding more and more like the Iraqi Minister of Information. Nothing to see here.. all is well… we are strong… we are invincible.

Oh, and Taylor, I think you’re right about the LHN $ v. branding. Pinkel has said as much.

“Oklahoma’s doing a great job. And the relationships between the two athletics departments is really good.”

Notice that DeLoss says the relationship is good between the athletic departments but says nothing about the relationship between the schools. I’m guessing David Boren’s attempt to squeeze Texas did not go over well with DeLoss.

Nice to see DeLoss talking to the media, explaining the Texas perspective. He might want to point out that revenue sharing is another name for the state of Texas subsidizing states such as Iowa and Kansas. IIRC, Iowa and Kansas have significantly higher income per capita than Texas. Why should the lower income per capita state subsidize higher income per capita states?

@ Huckleberry – In no way did my response to roach indicate any affiliation w/ any political party. All I did was demonstrate the fallacy of his rant.

BC likes to consider itself superior to the other Longhorn fan sites. If you want to show this is true, you should’ve also deleted the part of roach’s post which was definitely political.

@ roach – Thank you for your inability to reply to the content of my comment.

And, in no way did I ever state that the rest of the Big 12 is entitled to any share of the proceeds from the LHN. Nice attempt at changing the subject, ignoring facts, & coming to erroneous conclusions.

Dodds and other representatives of the University should have been doing press availability like this since the first time the “It’s UT’s fault” meme started circulating. By letting it go unopposed, it as become accepted wisdom.

The negative PR has put UT in a less optimal position, if only because it has apparently pressured or provided impetus to A&M;, OU, and now MU to undermine the Big 12.

I’m firmly convinced that the UT administration believes the first best outcome is a viable Big 12. My opinion is that they will consider it viable as long as it includes OU plus 8 fill in the blanks.

I’m not sure the timing is as bad at all. We have done a great job of staying in the background and basically saying we are keeping the Big 12 together and we have stayed on message with that without pontificating or threatening shit like OU and OSU did.

If today’s media and listener mentality has taught us anything, it’s that people listen most to the last thing they hear without regard to facts, reasearch and that other shit they’re too lazy to do. Waiting in the wings for everyone to expose themselves loudly in the publicly arena, which can’t be undone and then, when the smoke has cleared, coming out and debunking it all isn’t a bad way to go, IMO. If we’d been actively talking while Aggy, OU, etc and were beating their chests and spreading lies, whatever we said would’ve just been more background noise. Now that everyone except Mizzou has gone, we begin to actively set the record straight and at the same time make our case for why we should be able to keep our third tier rights. We now have the microphone, folks. And don’t underestimate the effect that telling the media that half of that revenue is going to the non-athletic part of UT is going to have when people start parsing out the benevolence versus greed factor.

I’d be interested to know if any SEC institution makes that sort of revenue committment with it’s third tier money. Does anyone have any info? Same for B1G and Pac networks? Does it all go back into the AD or or they giving a substantial share to the academic side?

I have no problem with the third tier vs donor comparison, but I really wish Dodds would’ve used the opportunity to explain that third tier revenue is not some exotic new concept uncovered and exploited by Texas with the LHN.

In the 2009-2010 school year, Kansas pulled in $7.3M in 3rd tier revenue. Okie St got $6.4M. Nebraska and Missouri were both over $4M. Texas had only $338,171. Naturally, there were no calls for sharing then…

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Joetx -

Telling me what to do in order to show that BC is superior to other sites was entertaining. I appreciate it. I simply missed his comment when going back and skimming for editing purposes.

One of the reasons I personally like to talk Longhorn sports on BC is because of the no politics rule. Whether or not this site is superior to others is a matter of opinion, everyone is entitled to theirs.

Phenomenal Smith said:

“Oh, and Taylor, I think you’re right about the LHN $ v. branding. Pinkel has said as much.”

What I want to know is why Pinkel talks about it when he almost never recruits the players Texas does. What does it matter if that three star defensive lineman from the DFW Metroplex who doesn’t have an offer from Texas happens to have seen a couple of minutes of the LHN? He’s going to be swayed away from Missouri to which school exactly?

Huck, This site is the finest on the web. The writing is high quality but it’s especially superior to any sites that have a platform for public comment.

“At a time of stressed tax and investment revenues, our football program found a way to increase its subsidy to the academic side by at least $7.5 mil a year. "

This needs to be repeated over and over and over again. And any conversation about our “greediness” needs to start with the context of perpetually shrinking university budgets. In my department (I’m a PhD student at UT), professors are being pressed into retirement and replaced by lecturers. Lecturers have been let go, and their teaching work has been transferred to a dwindling number of graduate students. Programs across the university are contracting, and small programs are facing extinction.

So it doesn’t surprise me that Bill Powers (and not just Deloss Dodds) is dead set against giving up revenue from the LHN. The Athletic Department (mostly through the LHN) is one of the ONLY sources of income for academics that’s actually growing right now.

fight songs, please. Academics (funding or quality) have nothing to do with this. We all know that money is going to Dodd’s next gold toilet or miniature giraffe.

Joetx

Sharing LHN revenue is the subject of this post. The possiblity of sharing LHN revenue was the subject of a good portion of the Dodds interview.

The point of my comment was echoing dodds point that we put the effort and money into LHN to make tier 3 rights worth something. Prior to LHN Fox was doing nothing with those rights.

We took those rights built the infrastructure to deliver the product to potential customers and found out that their was in fact a market. But we put the network together with no knowledge that the network would be profittable it was a considerable risk. ATM DIDN’T EVEN WANT TO SPLIT THE RISK WITH US.

Why should we share the benifits of all that work and risk now?

When Kansas plays on the LHN, does Kansas, or the conference as a whole, get a piece of that revenue?

Saul, embracing the status quo is not how you get better, so I assume Pinkel would like to recruit the players UT does someday. Also, while I doubt UT was recruiting them, Mizzou has three four star Texas verbal commits this year. Yippee!

Anyway, I’m sure Pinkel has lost a few recruiting battles to Mack. Why make it even more difficult?

FWIW, whenever I’ve thought about great newspapers (or more accurately newspapers that used to be great), the Tulsa World has never come to mind. But I’m willing to cut them some slack where Hoover is concerned if for no other reason than this: when you engage with Hoover via email or Twitter, he’s responsive and he listens to what you have to say, good bad or indifferent. At least that’s been my experience with him over the last year or so.

Stittler, on the other hand — turd.

Horncasting – I think the conference actually will get a piece of it, but only b/c ESPN bought the rights to the game from FOX. Usually, though, road teams don’t get $ from a TV contract, right, even in conference?

Smith,

Not a likely scenario, but I guess Pinkel has big dream. Congratulations on the commits. I often find myself rooting for your school when they’re not taking on the Longhorns. Why is that Atomic Teeth blog such a ghost town, by the way? I went over there after your match-up with Arizona State and was shocked how little activity I found. Do most of your fans have an aversion to fantake’s set up or something?

Do most of your fans have an aversion to fantake’s set up or something?

When it comes to football I think Missouri and the plural of “fan” are oxymorons. Phenominal Smith may be a one of a kind.

Dodds/Texas has done an excellent job narrowing the discussion to LHN. We’re unassailable on that issue. Colorado and Nebraska high-tailed it out of the B12 North well before the scope of LHN was known probably even unto the principles, but to the extent everyone’s talking about LHN today, it’s a win for Texas no matter how negative the individual take (Sittler, for example) might be. It keeps the product at the forefront of the news cycle and, again, no one’s going to blame Texas for running a successful business, outside the whining of a few pundits who can’t see past their next deadline – and no one remembers what those guys say 3 hours after they read the columns. I can’t remember such a proliferation of utterly forgettable prose under major mastheads, but that’s another topic.

I wonder what Mike Royko would be doing if he were coming of age as a writer today? Or does anyone even remember that guy anymore? Yes, I’m too old. Maybe henceforth I just need to stick to Grumpy Old Fart (G.O.F.) for a handle.

Nunna,

Could be. I don’t typically seek out members of other fanbases, so it was a surprise to me.

I thought it interesting and new information that DD went to aggy about joining us in a network, at a time in which we thought it would be a money loser, and hence we were looking to share the losses. That’s not quite the same thing as “hey, we’ve got this idea that could make some good money”. Of course, aggy’s lack of vision and business savvy caused them reject it out of hand way to early in the process. Rarely do good ideas and innovations look great in the first iteration.

Nice to see that redistribution of wealth is not an acceptable practice by Texas or DeLoss ..
Maybe he can go to Washington &Texas; explain how that works to the good folks in congress..

Texas & The Big 12 is in good hands as long as DeLoss is prowling the 40acres

Wealth is constantly being redistributed via one mechanism or another. Anyone paying any attention would note the irony of a country so sensitive to the onslaught of “socialism” accelerating so dramatically the rate of wealth accumulation by an increasingly narrow percentage of the population. Anyone who read those first two sentences will assume a political agenda in there, but it’s not the specific agenda you’re assuming. Quite the contrary.

I’m just tired of knee-jerk, sound-bite politics, and I really resent its appearance in forums like these. I come here to get away from both Rush and Rachel. Is that an overreaction? Probably.

I’m sorry. I came over here to cath up on the thread and ran across an episode of Hannity and Combs. What the fuck?