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2008 Kansas State Football Preview: State of The Union
Posted by Scipio Tex on August 11th, 2008 under Football
Last year I predicted that KSU would go 6-6 and win three or four conference games. They won three conference games and finished 5-7. Yet none of their fans praised me as a raving Wildcat optimist. This year I’ll continue my unabashed Wildcat optimism and predict two or three conference wins and a 6-6 finish. That way when they go 5-7 again, they can refer back to this preview and know that I really, really like them.
Ron Prince is now 12-13 at KSU. The Cats lost their last four contests in 2007 surrendering an average of 49.5 points per game. Including a 42 point loss to a Nebraska team being coached by an infinite number of monkeys holding a finite number of laminated play sheets. Seizing quickly on that momentum, athletic director Bob Krause extended Prince’s contract through 2012 to drive off the inevitable suitors from Appalachian St and Elon. Rest easy, Cats - two more cycles of JUCO classes assured! In an effort to aid their bowl eligibility, KSU bought out a home game with Fresno State and replaced them with Montana State. Harvard and Yale now breathe easy that The Game will remain the sole battle of academic powerhouses to capture the nation’s attention. Crisis averted, New Haven.
I cannot get around the fact that KSU beat the dogshit out of us in 2007, a result that we’ll look back on in twenty five years and puzzle over like Ordinary People beating Raging Bull for Best Picture in ‘80. In any event, KSU has our number. The ugly bitch won’t stop calling. Leaving crazy messages on the bedroom answering machine that we forgot to mute as we stare wistfully at the BCS hottie reclasping her bra and collecting her purse to leave. Another Purple Kitty cock block.
Coach Prince continues his paranoid co-dependency with QB Josh Freeman, who had an improved sophomore campaign. Freeman reined in the interceptions and he proved effective in operating KSU’s three yards and cloud of dust passing game. He also bought an Ab Roller. All told, he threw for 3353 yards and 18 TDs. Unfortunately for Freeman, Jordy Nelson, who had a dominating 2007, caught 11 of those TDs and almost half of those yards. He’s gone.
This offseason, Josh Freeman joined an elite fraternity. Catching Freeman unaware at Panera Bread, Sam Keller and Ron Powlus bathed him in chloroform, blindfolded him, and spirited him away in the back of a unmarked white van. After initiating him in their rites, they forced peyote down his throat and told him to walk to Wabunsee on a vision quest. Late that evening, exhausted and ready to quit as if it were the early 3rd quarter of an important game, Freeman was visited by Beano Cook, The Ghost of Corpulent Present. Beano bequeathed upon him a great relic - the Wristband of Perpetual Disappointment - annointing him as the most talented shitty player in college football. Freeman can still smell Chad Henne’s sweat on it.
Prince had his own revelatory experience. Sometime in late October, 2007 Prince looked in a mirror and said,”Bloody Jordy!” three times. What he saw utterly terrified him: his 2008 depth chart and three wins.
In response, Prince placed an ad in Soldier of Fortune magazine and went out to the JUCOs to sign 19 mercenaries. Among them: Rivals 4 stars like Aubrey Quarles, Ulla Pomele and Daniel Calvin; a Gurkha, two French Legionnaires, an Italian Condottieri, three Hessians, five Blackwater contractors, a Numidian cavalryman, and Boba Fett. If KSU goes 4-8 this year, the mercenaries have it in their contract that they can leave and overthrow Equatorial Guinea. Next year, Prince is specifically targeting Varangians and German landsknecht.
Beware his grappling hook, Reesing!
Taking JUCOs isn’t bad for the KSUs of the college football world per se. Snyder had great success with them, but his core guys - the Terrence Newmans and Mark Simoneaus- were four year guys. JUCOs are useful supplements, they shouldn’t be the main diet. Ron Prince doesn’t want to take the time to shop and cook dinner so he shovels community college fast food down his throat to tide him over. It’s a short term fix and it will catch up to him - if not on the football field, certainly on the police blotter. Prince clearly needs the JUCOs to make major contributions immediately to stave off disaster, but there is an undeniable adjustment period. You have to wonder how quickly these guys will adjust to KSU’s easier academics. I know his recruits from Santa Rosa Community College played in the brutal Pinot Noir League of Northern California, but I suspect there will be some adjustments to Division I football as well.
People often mock Manhattan as a second rate community in the middle of nowhere existing solely to serve a third tier university which is the backup school for Pittsburg St applicants, but this isn’t true. I consulted Wikipedia. There are a number of sites of interest. First, I’d like to remind you that Aggieville is home to the longest continuously-operating Pizza Hut in the world. Additionally, Manhattan has The Sunset Zoo which features animals exotic as Tabby cat, Airedale, Elliott the Raccoon, happy donkey, and Kevin the black-tailed prairie dog. The Marianna Kistler Beach Museum of Art is not on a beach and it houses mainly dogs playing poker interpretative pieces and Perry Edward Smith watercolors, but it does bear a striking resemblance to a Drees home in the Dallas suburbs. In a style I like to call Poly Blend Nouveau Middle-Class. It can be yours for only $379,500. Media room and window treatments convey.
Tragically, I also learned that a tornado touched down in Manhattan on June 11, 2008. On behalf of Barking Carnival, I want to offer my sincere sympathies. Our prayers are with you. Even the dubious Islamic and Methodist ones. To give you some scale of the damage, here’s a picture of Manhattan after the tornado:
You can see the extent of the destruction. Thirty-one homes were destroyed. Several businesses and Kansas State sustained heavy damage.
Here’s a picture of the same area before the tornado:
On K-State’s campus, several buildings sustained significant damage and the Wind Erosion Laboratory was destroyed by the tornado’s winds. I say again, the Wind Erosion Laboratory was destroyed by the tornado’s winds. Back to the drawing board, Wildcat science. This fact is possibly even more amusing than an art museum airlifted from an Addison gated community.
Ian Campbell is KSU’s defensive tornado though last year he was a very mild breeze. After a dominant 2006 at DE, he did nothing in 2007 (4.5 sacks, 11 TFL) while playing OLB in KSU’s new 3-4 defense. So naturally he was voted 1st team All-Conference again. The print media is a sharp bunch. After a year of experimentation, KSU is back to the 4-3 again. First, they’ll need to make up.
I don’t know what I was thinking, baby - you’ve always been the one for me. The 3-4 meant nothing. Look at me. Please, just look at me. Don’t be this way. Will you take me back by the Louisville game? Girl, I’ll never cover the center with a nose-tackle again. I promise.
The KSU reasoning for the switch is that it’s better to have three LBs who can’t tackle rather than four. By decreasing the number of players missing by 33%, you increase the theoretical chances of hitting. It’s all very Popperian. If it seems confusing, that’s exactly the kind of indecision the scheme is meant to promote. You don’t know what direction they’ll be missing from, Maclin! Projecting starters on defense is folly outside of a few positions as many of the incumbents will be overtaken by incoming JUCO players in the next month. And by overtaken, I mean chased out on to the prairie and repeatedly stabbed.
KSU does have a capable safety combination in Gary Chandler - the 2007 Big 12 Defensive Newcomer of the Year - and Chris Carney, who led the team in interceptions. Like many surnames, Carney is reflective of the community’s primary industry. Expect big impacts and immediate starting gigs from highy rated JUCO talent such as DT Daniel Calvin, CB Blair Irvin and MLB Ulla Pomele. Kansas St will not be without athletes. They will look damn good getting off of the bus. If the JUCOs don’t hijack it and demand it be driven to Conakry.
On offense, we’ve covered Josh Freeman and most of the league will cover his WRs. So no need to cover them again. Deon Murphy is a very gifted all-purpose guy and he makes KSU’s special teams incredibly dangerous. As dangerous as Elliott the Raccoon if he gets into the possum habitat. JUCO Aubrey Quarles is a massive talent - he scored 10 TDs in three games at WR before breaking a collarbone in his sophomore year. TE will be Jeron Mastrud, who is a blocker, eligible receiver, and a word scramble condiment.
The OL was improved over the course of the year and they do return four starters. Alessana Alessana, the tackle so nice they named him twice, is back. Prince still controls him with neuromuscular blocking agents, a snow globe, and by playing upon his primitive fears of losing his mana in a typhoon, but I really feel like this is the year Alessana x 2 breaks out as a player…and eats a grounds crew. We’re pulling for you, noble savage.
Leon Patton returns at TB after a summer theft conviction proving that he will take more than the defense gives him. He’s another speed guy and at 5-7, 185 he’s not really built to take a steady pounding. A fact both of his cellmates took into consideration this summer by giving him Tuesdays off.
Last year, I compared KSU’s future to Jack Nicholson’s predicament in The Shining when he was in the wintry maze seeking to axe his son. Uh, wots he gonna axe him? just thought the Wildcat fans. Never mind.
My point is that what looks appealing can change meaning quickly with the appropriate context. Even a single word can alter everything. With respect to Ron Prince and the KSU program that word is….
TRAAIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNN!
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Huckleberry said:
August 12th, 2008 at 4:28 am
Don’t know where you’d want it, so here it is:
dedfischer said:
August 12th, 2008 at 4:55 am
Excellent. Freeman baffles me. He’s the kind of dude that goes to the Senior Bowl/Combine, Jon Gruden falls in love with, drafts him waaaaay too high in the 1st round, and after a season and a half of 3 interception games gets buried on the depth chart behind Chris Simms.
Barking Carnvial Previews said:
August 12th, 2008 at 5:13 am
[...] is Kansas State. K-State: They have a knack for ripping on "Scary Smart" Ron Prince. Barking Carnival
HenryJames said:
August 12th, 2008 at 5:34 am
Freeman doesn’t throw touchdowns.
FR 270 attempts, 6 TDs
SO 499 attempts, 18 TDs
hiphopopotamus said:
August 12th, 2008 at 6:09 am
He does throw some interceptions though.
FR 270 attempts, 15 INTs
SO 499 attempts, 11 INTs
Then again, if he improves at that same pace this year he’ll throw 922 passes and only 8 INTs.
/thinking like a Wildcat
Huckleberry said:
August 12th, 2008 at 6:12 am
Dude, you used multiplication and division to get those numbers. That is definitely NOT thinking like a Wildcat.
ksu2cool4u said:
August 12th, 2008 at 6:41 am
what?! ooohhhh lol scipico your just a kansass fan jelous of KSU DOMINATION and u no NOTHING! about KSU! football! probably gay not probably defanitely!
chitwood said:
August 12th, 2008 at 7:08 am
definitely defanitely. No probably to that turdburgling Scipio. I mean, he lives in San Francisco. Can you believe that ksu2cool4u? Is that gay or what?
chitwood said:
August 12th, 2008 at 7:09 am
forgot to ask, ksu2-are you one of those numerous Rhodes Scholars that KSU fans keep bragging on in a pathetic attempt to claim that their school is not a glorified DeVry Institute?
HenryJames said:
August 12th, 2008 at 7:11 am
I believe ksu2cool4u is being facetious.
Jamdog said:
August 12th, 2008 at 7:17 am
“what?! ooohhhh lol scipico your just a kansass fan jelous of KSU DOMINATION and u no NOTHING! about KSU! football! probably gay not probably defanitely!”
Looks like the English program at KSU still has its hurdles.
Vasherized said:
August 12th, 2008 at 7:19 am
Ded,
Apparently its not possible to get behind Chris Simms on a QB depth chart. Major could suit up tomorrow and get signed as a free agent 4th stringer for Tampa Bay.
ksu2cool4u,
Defanitely.
Scip,
Nice work. Picking up steam. The consecutive losses to KSU are pretty mind boggling. While pondering the myriad ways that Jordy Nelson torched us last year, it occurred to me that the white man has really torched us recently at DKR.
Matt Jones
Anthony Gonzalez
Jordy Nelson
Steven McGee
Perhaps we should pay more attention to this type of football player? Maybe we can unleash Jordan Shipley and get some payback.
coach Callahan said:
August 12th, 2008 at 8:56 am
gonzalez? a fine irish name.
A-Rod said:
August 12th, 2008 at 9:37 am
No Texas Looks like one less victory for us this year
Scipio Tex said:
August 12th, 2008 at 9:50 am
So I’ll mark you down for 4-8, then?
Ag_in_TX said:
August 12th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Kansas State strikes me as a poor man’s Oklahoma State, which is, frankly, kind of hard to wrap your brain around…
Charles Moore said:
August 12th, 2008 at 10:55 am
you rip the art museum but, funny thing is, an Austin architect and UT faculty member designed it. So much for that line of criticism…
Scipio Tex said:
August 12th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Good thing he has tenure.
SlickStreet said:
August 12th, 2008 at 11:05 am
“Leon Patton returns at TB after a summer theft conviction proving that he will take more than the defense gives him. He’s another speed guy and at 5-7, 185 he’s not really built to take a steady pounding. A fact both of his cellmates took into consideration this summer by giving him Tuesdays off.”
HA!!!
Huckleberry said:
August 12th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Andersson’s Revenge
Think “DeLoss Dodds” to understand.
It’s not the architect’s fault when he was a poor surrounding environment to work with. He can’t just design something that will stick out like a sore thumb. A beautiful structure in Manhattan, Kansas? Ha.
By the way, Mr. Moore, you’re dead. So your opinion is irrelevant.
Rhynocerous said:
August 12th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Scippio’s article is alot like his mother. It tries really hard to be good and interesting but it just falls short and leaves you looking for a funnier, better written article.
Scipio Tex said:
August 12th, 2008 at 11:20 am
I stand in awe of your gift for mixed simile.
Rhymenocerous said:
August 12th, 2008 at 11:26 am
And in all honesty, I really like a lot of your article. The before and after pics of the Manhattan tornado is hilarious. Do you think there is a Big XII South team that Ron Prince will put his mind-vex on and dominate like he did to UT? I’m hoping it’s OU…but that may just be wishful thinking.
Huckleberry said:
August 12th, 2008 at 11:27 am
What two letters will he add to his name next?!?!? Or will he just drop the “R” from the last one?!?!?
Stay tuned!!!
HenryJames said:
August 12th, 2008 at 11:31 am
.
KSU H8R said:
August 12th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Their best team was 9-2? Was this during the “Era of Dominance” that KSU fans always refer to? Or was there a different “EoD”?
BMore said:
August 12th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
As always, the best preview on the net.
For what it’s worth, Freeman was fantastic down the stretch last year. But the Cats didn’t win a game when he was hot, so who knows.
He was a true sophomore trying to manage a crazy system, so we’ll see what 2008 brings.
The North is not as strong as we’re pretending it is, so the Cats probably contend for second, behind Pinkel’s Mizzou enigma.
Huckleberry said:
August 12th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Well, 1998 would of course be their best team if they hadn’t tanked the Alamo Bowl. But they did, and so their rating for that year took a hit.
Scipio Tex said:
August 12th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
I remember that ‘02 team. They were damn good. Lost two games by a total of 7 points (CU, Texas).
They also whacked USC and Nebraska that year.
BMore:
You think KU takes a big step down, obviously. What’s the key to shoring up your defense?
Ag_in_TX said:
August 12th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
btw - if you are ever having issues with a KSU grad, just pull up this video and they mysteriously vaporize right in front of your eyes:
Huckleberry said:
August 12th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Shit. I forgot to mention that their record is 9-2 because my main ratings don’t count games against non-D1A competition. They pasted two 1-AA teams that year (Western Kentucky and Eastern Illinois).
WhoooTex said:
August 12th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
“I believe ksu2cool4u is being facetious.”
I believe ksu2cool4u could not spell ‘facetious’ if you spotted him the CTRL-C, CTRL-V.
Charles Moore said:
August 12th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
FWIW Ag in TX, Sirr Parker still hasn’t crossed that goal line. The best part of that game, from my perspective, was your transfer QB from Tennessee proclaiming after the game that his lifelong goal was to help UT win a title, and he had accomplished that goal by beating KSU. Er, nice representation for the Ags, I guess.
Huckleberry, KSU scheduled Eastern that year for a number of reasons, one because Snyder knew they had a pretty salty QB and he wanted to test the secondary. That QB was one Tony Romo.
Charles Moore said:
August 12th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Scipio: You ask what is the key to shoring up the D? Staying healthy would be a good start. By the end of the year, the meltdown if you will, the pre-season starters at DT were gone and KSU pulled a RS with 2 games left to have bodies, one starting OLB was gone, the starting safety was dinged and a shadow of his former self, and our best cover corner was taking a RS. Lets be honest, we did not have depth to accomodate those losses. Cue the JC’s, who will provide immediate depth and a talent upgrade at all 3 levels, plus Antwon Moore and Josh Moore are both back. I think the D has major upside this year. Wins? We’ll see, but Prince has proven to have an upset or 2 under his belt and the north doesn’t scare anyone.
TaylorTRoom said:
August 13th, 2008 at 3:31 am
Charles Moore posted- “FWIW Ag in TX, Sirr Parker still hasn’t crossed that goal line.”
Do you want us to tell you what it’s worth?
sevenyearhawk said:
August 13th, 2008 at 6:05 am
wow … that was a quality read.
HILARIOUS!
Razor-CAT said:
August 13th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Well suck me off with a breast pump, that was some funny sh*t! Honestly, I loved it. I’ve been a CATS fan, a Chiefs fan, and a Royals fan since I was sh*ttin yellow, so I’m used to listening to the high powered perception of some limp wrist, pivot-man-for-a-circle-jerk from ut, gay-u, mu, ne, co, United Arab Emirates, etc. write up some long winded article meant to make u choke on the t/urd that might happen to be your team that year. One thing I can say is that I’m not afraid to choke on that same old tu/rd every year. Don’t knock it till you try it. Sure beats making excuses for getting caught blowing mandingo or mack brown since they seem to have finally put together a first runner up team this year as opposed to a third runner up (or dead heat for last with ISU in ku’s case) like all the fa/gs from austin and lawrence (most of these folks are more apt to just switch their favorite team to whomever is number one in the nation at the time, several times a year). I’m not afraid to say that we may have a tough year in store? We return 14 starters from last year and more depth by a long shot. Keep focused Big XII,or that tingling sensation you’ll be feeling at the end of a game against the CATS might just be our foot up ure a$$.
It is looking like it’s gonna be another slobberknocker in the chat rooms this year. Let the games begin!
Barking Carnival, very funny!
Looking forward to it.
ColoradoCAT said:
August 13th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
From a purple blooded Wildcat, no one is happy with Prince and everyone is left scratching their heads as to the contract extension. Only thing to figure is that it was done to give the illusion of a stable coaching staff for recruits. I feel your pain about us beating you so badly. If it makes you feel any better, both years we did it, we got beat by KU the next week. Any Wildcat would tel you we would rather go 1-11 and beat KU than have a winning record.
DBH said:
August 13th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
There’s a lot of funny shit on this site, but Scip takes funny to a whole ‘nother level. Excellence.
Sarge said:
August 13th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
As always, good funny stuff with a drop or two of real football information.
I am waiting with baited breath for your Mizzou forecast. If you make ONE comment saying anything other than MU is the best team in the world, with the best coach in the world, watched by the best fans in the world (sorry Skabraska, the golf clap AIN’T sportsmanship, it is derision), at the best stadium in the world; I will be forced to call you a “limp wrist pivot-man-for-a-circle-jerk-from-UT” or some other multi-syllabic, myopic, somnambulent ksu type insult.
In a war of words ksu fans are unarmed, in a battle of wits they are half ready, and in a campus beauty comparison they are simply sad.
Can’t wait.
Juno said:
August 13th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Very nice to talk shit on the fact we had a tornado this year…. shows your class i really like where you are going. Don’t worry when something terrible happens to Austin I will be the first to jump in and get a few laughs out of it. And you’re right 4 year guys would be nice and no JUCO player has ever done anything for K-State… except Micheal Bishop… oh yea… Heisman runner up. Maxwell winner, Happened to be a Juco transfer plus the only year K-State had more Juco transfers than this year was 98. And as far as Current quarterbacks go, at least freeman has finished both the games against you guys. Guess being tackled is just a little rough for precious little colt. Also i remember a few nice plays Ian Campbell had against Texas… an interception return for a touchdown for one which i would take any day. Fuck off and be glad we dont get to beat you again this year.
HouseofTexas said:
August 13th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
That tornado was with love, from Lubbock (have been sending them east for years now, ever since the 70’s - part of our plan by everyone driving pickups to affect global warming and change the weather patterns…)
What really sucks jaybird nuts is that KSU school management only had 1 day to wait before the deductible for tornado damage went from 5 mil to 100k because of the waiting period - remind me not to stand next to that guy in Vegas - whose freaking brilliant idea was it to change the insurance policy during tornado season?? As a Texan and Kansas landowner, we tend to plan for the worst with those twisty bits…
IMO, the guy who is responsible for that decision owes the university 4,900,000, or his job, you pick.
Facebook User said:
August 14th, 2008 at 8:11 am
These tornadoes are all part of T Boone’s nefarious energy plans.
jayhawk lover man said:
August 14th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Todd Reesing is so sexy and if aqib talib wants to get his hands on his balls, well, i’m right here, I just wish they’d make their uniforms smaller, tighter, and more exposed, i’m so hot and bothered thinking about the next season prospects, cheerio, Rock Chalk Gayhawk
kstate fan said:
August 14th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
you guys are mentally disabled if you think our best record was 9-2, we had 3 straight 11 win seasons, 97-99 and if Texas is so good, and kstate is so bad, then what is the reason that we are 5-2 against them since the merger of the big 12, look up your info, and by the way, look up the 1998 game kstate vs. texas games, peace
Huckleberry said:
August 14th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
If you could point out where it says that was your best record that would be great.
And if you could read the part where it says only games against D-1A teams were counted that would be greater.
But if you were to actually read, comprehend, and respond accordingly - thereby ruining my perception of Kansas State fans as ignorant morons that you have done nothing but reinforce to this point - that might not be so great.
kst8cat said:
August 14th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Huckleberry,
There have been multiple seasons of KSU finishing better than 9-2. Those seasons are:
1997: 11-1 (no 1-AA teams)
1998: 11-2 (one 1-AA team, so 10-2 is still better than 9-2)
1999: 11-1 (no 1-AA teams)
2000: 11-3 (no 1-AA teams)
So I would count four seasons better than 9-2 using your W-L criteria of excluding 1-AA victories. And if I were you I would not be calling other fans ignorant morons without having my own facts straight.
kst8cat said:
August 14th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Actually, you would also count 1995 at 10-2 with no 1-AA teams as well. I was only thinking of Big 12 history at first. So make that five seasons of better than 9-2.
TaylorTRoom said:
August 14th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Yep. So far, the CU fans are the smartest.
Huckleberry said:
August 15th, 2008 at 4:26 am
Holy shit. K-State fans really are that dumb. While I have a feeling someone is yanking my chain, let me repeat (again) that BEST TEAM DOES NOT MEAN BEST RECORD YOU IGNORANT KANSAS STATE MORONS.
Minnesotahorn said:
August 15th, 2008 at 5:45 am
My god, this thread is fantastic. Wildcats, I love you. Don’t ever change.
ponderos said:
August 15th, 2008 at 6:06 am
KSU was the Baylor of the Big 8 (I’m probably downgrading Baylor here) and the opponents’ starters were eating hot dogs in the stands with the band by the third quarter.
A 5-year run, then a return to suckocrity does not a powerhouse make.
ksu2cool4u said:
August 15th, 2008 at 6:36 am
ooooopppps! lol sorry scipico looks like your getting the thick end of a CATS wipping! turns out ur FACTS are NOT FACTS and U R GAY LOL GOCATS!!!!!! shakespear had AIDS WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT U.
Ag_in_TX said:
August 15th, 2008 at 6:47 am
I always felt Snyder was one of the smartest men on the planet - he devised a strategy to make KSU a winner - maybe we can get him to turn his attention to curing cancer - it’s certainly an easier task.
ponderos said:
August 15th, 2008 at 7:01 am
Snyder hasn’t slept since mullets were cool.
ChrisApplewhite said:
August 15th, 2008 at 7:46 am
Huck, you’ve made a error. KSU actually finished with 11 wins several times. Thanks.
Doperbo said:
August 15th, 2008 at 7:53 am
Yeah Huck, why are you putting wrong info up on our site?
BTW- You guys are forgetting the Arkansas fans last year. They set the bar for the fan acumen/vitriol ratio so low you need seismic equipment to find it.
Stuck in MN said:
August 15th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Wait a second, we are arguing about Huck’s choice of the best KSU team of all time? Child’s play.
Where I take real issue with Huck is his claim that 1965 is the worst KSU team of all time. How can you rank 65 below 60 (1-9), 62 (0-10), 66 (0-9-1), 67 (1-9), 76 (1-10),85 (1-10), 87 (0-10-1), 88 (0-11), or even 89 (1-10)? I know picking the worst KSU team in history is no easy task, but if you are going to hold yourself out as the BC’s official statistician, let’s have a little effort.
Huckleberry said:
August 15th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Listen, man, the 1965 Kansas State Wildcats were outscored 296-43. They lost 19-7 to a 2-8 Indiana Hoosiers squad. They scored 6 points TOTAL in their first 5 conference games, finishing with 19 points in all 7 Big 8 tilts against 237 points allowed. That’s losing every conference game by an average of 33-3 or so. They got blasted 34-0 by a 2-8 Kansas team.
This was truly an amazingly inept football team.
Oh, wait. You weren’t serious?
Dammit.
Stuck in MN said:
August 15th, 2008 at 9:34 am
1962 only scored 39 points all season, 4 less than the 65 team. They did not score a single point until their 5th game of the season, when they had 6 points, and then promptly got shut out the next 2 games- that’s right, they averaged less than 1 point a game through their first 7 games.
And I won’t even get into the horrible teams of the 80’s that I feel you have shortchanged. The liberalization of the passing game rules made it difficult for them to match the offensive woes of their predecessors, but they made up for by giving up far more points than those other teams.
Huckleberry said:
August 15th, 2008 at 9:53 am
The 1962 game lost a road game to a .500 team by a single point. Your protestations are getting crazy at this point. I refuse to yield!!! The 1965 Kansas State football team was the worst in their school’s history and I will not say otherwise!!!
In fact, that was the worst team any Big 12 school has fielded since WWII.
Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.
Ojnab Bob said:
August 15th, 2008 at 10:13 am
On a slightly different note, I feel compelled to point out that as far as a state’s collective football futility goes, the state of Kansas was clearly #1 all-time in 1987.
KU went 1-9-1 (beating 1-AA Southern Illinois by a point), tying 0-10-1 Kansas State 17-17 in the Sunflower Bowl. I’d actually put the ‘87 KSU #1 in my worst KSU team list - when Austin Peay and Army are pounding you in the modern era, you’ve got serious problems.
Stuck in MN said:
August 15th, 2008 at 10:14 am
C’est la vie and Fetchez la vache.
Leonidas said:
August 15th, 2008 at 11:25 am
JEESUS CHRIST! Run away! Run awayy!
CRAZYMAN said:
August 15th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Now that was some funny stuff, bro.
“Prince placed an ad in Soldier of Fortune magazine and went out to the JUCOs to sign 19 mercenaries. Among them: Rivals 4 stars like Aubrey Quarles, Ulla Pomele and Daniel Calvin; a Gurkha, two French Legionnaires, an Italian Condottieri, three Hessians, five Blackwater contractors, a Numidian cavalryman, and Boba Fett. If KSU goes 4-8 this year, the mercenaries have it in their contract that they can leave and overthrow Equatorial Guinea. Next year, Prince is specifically targeting Varangians and German landsknecht.”
Hoo hoo haa. Oh boy. That hurt so good.
And I also must admit I had to laugh at that zoo material too. The tornado was a bit over the top (get it?), but who COULD resist the wind erosion thing, after all?
I’m one K-State Wildcat who doesn’t fear going back to the bad old days though, so laugh all you want, Big Boys. At least we’ll get in for free at half-time. Bill Snyder was our handsome prince (no pun). He took us places, like big dances and stuff. Now he’s old. So we’ll just have to get used to sitting down while the really pretty girls get to dance. But we’ll always be able to look back on that decade when…Oh shoot, gotta go, Elliot the Raccoon just got out again and that freakin prairie dog is going nuts!
Eat ‘em up, Eat ‘em up, K S U!!!
DrJHorn said:
August 17th, 2008 at 4:12 am
The options for worst KSU team of all time are so plentiful that the criteria arguably should be expanded beyond won-loss records and on-field stats.
How about 1976? Admittedly, KSU did win a game that year, but they gave out 43 football scholarships the following spring. The NCAA limit at the time was 30.
Or how about one of the atrocious Stan Parrish years of 1986-88 when the team went 2-30-1? The NCAA allowed 20 days of spring practice then. KSU was so downtrodden that they only took 17 days.
Let’s not rush to judgment on this one, guys.
Gus said:
August 18th, 2008 at 7:21 am
Fox Sports online edition evaluated out of conference (OOC) schedules, and rated K-States as being pretty weak. I liked their comment that K-State should change their mascot from the Wildcat to the “Scaredycats”.
Admit it, though, nobody wants any part of Fresno State this year. KSU was smart to get out of that game if they have any serious hopes for a bowl appearance.
Facebook User said:
August 20th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Freeman: I’m The Best!
HenryJames said:
August 20th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Hal Wilder said:
August 21st, 2008 at 10:20 pm
North Texas is going to kill us. We plain and simply suck. We may be in the Big 12, but that school has got us licked academically and soon athletically with the direction we are going. Have you seen their school? It’s very impressive. We are hopeless.
anglejolie said:
August 26th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
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SeeingRed said:
August 29th, 2008 at 8:54 am
For the love of god, K State.
Your coach has a creepy man crush on your starting QB and you’ve been pimp slapped by Fresno & then taunted for running away from the rematch.
Please stop asking us to take you seriously until your beahvior has been modified.
Gus said:
August 29th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Great article on the ‘Cats. Yes, my alma mater’s football team paid Fresno State to go away after they bitch slapped us last year. In 2004, they brought us into the new era of being a mediocre team by putting up 45 points on the first game of the season, letting the faithful know that Wildcat dominance was over.
Would Texas want any part of Fresno State? God, not any smart team would, but that doesn’t mean the Longhorns wouldn’t have a go.
Jack said:
November 12th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
football scholarships in california
Although I understand the gist of what you are trying to say, there are still a few points that I need further clarification on.