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UT hires dietician; Serves Mac & Cheese at Freshman dinner

UT recently held a team dinner for the freshman and they were served steak and macaroni and cheese. I really hope our team dietician didn't sign off on the meal and this was looked at as one of those "oh well, it's only one meal" type of thing. I also saw Jonathan Gray in a picture where he appeared to be storing a year's worth of Gatorade 2 in his dorm room. I don't think these things are a big deal necessarily, but I'm really interested in learning more about what type of diet the new team dietician is advocating.

I really hope he/she is looking at the Paleo Diet (grass fed, ruminant animal proteins, wild caught fish, organic vegetables, fruit, and water mostly) as I think that's where most elite athletes should be heading with their diets. Diet is generally overlooked for college football players IMO, but I think we could get a huge competitive advantage if we became a little more disciplined and scientific in this area.

Be excellent to each other.

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The problem with the "it's only one meal" thing

Is that it undermines anything else you say about eating right. After all, if the team feeds me this, it must be OK, right?

Or, are we still in the era of giving salt tablets during games? Because sweat is salty, you must need to replace the salt, right? Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Now "Longhorn in Mexico".

by Longhorn in Canada on Jun 18, 2025 9:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Smacks of Mad Dog

Mack: Mad Dog, I need your help. Our new dietician hasn’t started here yet and coach Wylie is on vacation. I need you to come up with a menu for the Freshman dinner. A balanced, nutritious meal. Can you do that for me, Mad Dog?

Mad Dog: Sure can coach. Steak and Mac and cheese. You got meat, dairy, and grain. That’s all three of the food groups in the food triangle, right there.

by BurntOrangeJuice on Jun 19, 2025 8:54 AM CDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

I read this earlier...

But missed the genius quoted below…because I was skimming.

“That’s all three of the food groups in the food triangle, right there.”

Apologies on not commenting sooner….
well played sir…well played.

by e1 kabong on Jun 19, 2025 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

this may seem minor

but I’m very curious to follow this hire and see if it was primarily symbolic as a means of matching what other programs are doing, or if it’s an honest attempt at improving performance.

by Scipio Tex on Jun 19, 2025 9:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Couldn't agree more

I am hoping that Wylie had input into this hire as I would think to work well it will need to be someone who collaborates well with his program and efforts.

I have much more faith for obvious reasons that Wylie would recommend a quality individual compared to Mack or even worse Madden. The individual that was hired in 2010 for a similar position at Alabama went to UT and tried to prod Mack into creating this spot earlier and was essentially told to take a hike. I know for a fact that she was not contacted about interviewing despite being a proven leader in the field and the staff’s knowledge that she would have likely jumped at the chance to move back to Texas.

This could easily end up being a joke of a position that was given to a friend of the program just in order to take care of someone and have another new shiny toy on campus.

by Big(g) Ern on Jun 19, 2025 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

My concern is that we'd used her before on a consultative basis

So, easy hire. But we also don’t know the kinds of things she rec’d. Could’ve been fantastic, and maybe we didn’t act on them.

by Scipio Tex on Jun 19, 2025 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was surprised we didn’t at least interview her. That combined with the fact that they still haven’t announced who they hired, and that it would not be surprising if Madden had a large role in the process since the dietician will presumably serve all sports and potentially work for him make me very nervous that this will be a joke.

by Big(g) Ern on Jun 19, 2025 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amy Culp?

I think HK is referring to Amy Culp, not the dietitian you’re talking about.

Amy seems to be very, very pretty.

I’m sure it’s a co-inky-dink.

by danielt on Jun 19, 2025 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

talking about different people… I am talking about Amy Bragg, who is now the Director of Performance Nutrition for the University of Alabama’s athletic department. She had a similar position at A&M, but graduated from UT and from what I know has attempted in the past to get UT to create a similar position but was rebuffed by Mack and Madden.

by Big(g) Ern on Jun 19, 2025 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Judging by her photo

she got the job on her merits, and bully for her. Not my idea of pretty by a country mile, as marked out by a hyperactive spaniel with anterograde amnesia.

by SP!DER on Jun 19, 2025 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay...

on the one hand we’ve got a guy arguing that clearly attractive woman is unattractive
and on the other we’ve got a guy arguing that she got her job because she is fetching (not you, NYB)

hm…

by pleaseplaykindle on Jun 19, 2025 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bragg isn't a complete donkey...but she does not fall into my definition of pretty...

Neither does Culp…but I could understand how one could think she is (pretty). She’s definitely closer.

Bragg has received good reviews from what I can find on her….

Culp…I couldn’t really find a review on (quick-skimming of google results….I did find this and am not really sure how to feel about it….she IS talking to younger girls.

I DO know that the name sCULPture fitness is basically nails-on-chalkboard for me.

Thoughts on this video?

by e1 kabong on Jun 19, 2025 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

She looks good to me.

And I only sleep with super models.

by Hippie Killer on Jun 20, 2025 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't like the part where she clearly screwed up the analogy....

Not that I see the analogy as a reflection of what she knows about nutrition; just that, IF you are going to use an analogy to cars (which isn’t necessarily the greatest comparison considering audience), you should at least get the details of the analogy correct.

Perhaps I’m being too picky. Honestly, I would probably feel better about Bragg being our nutritionist, if for no other reason, than that she pointed out the benefits of a nutrition counselor in the first place…well, that and her proven record.

Then again, I wouldn’t have bought a hyundai 5 years ago…and now they are one of the highest rated cars (the company, and line, as a whole).

by e1 kabong on Jun 20, 2025 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

As an aside

Hyundai’s transformation has been amazing. Very similar to what Japanese cars did in the 1970s.

by Scipio Tex on Jun 20, 2025 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

A friend of mine actually pointed them out to me...

and recommended I buy one (and stock in them). He had a couple of conversations with some higher ups in the company at an unrelated business conference and came away thoroughly impressed.

Wasn’t sold on the idea. Could kick myself…as at the time I had a nice chunk of change lying around. Oh well, win some, lose some.

by e1 kabong on Jun 20, 2025 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, she has a tough job

She not only has to know wtf she’s doing, but she has to have the charisma and leadership ability to affect change in a male dominated organization that’s not exactly known to be progressive.

by feltgod on Jun 19, 2025 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

"I think that's where most elite athletes should be heading with their diets."

Can we get a source for this? I’m not contesting this; I’m simply curious. In my years of formal training many many moons ago, a protein is a protein is a protein. If you say high protein, low-carb is the way to go for athletes, then I agree with you. But saying Paleo is scientific is definitely open to contention.

by Fried Rice on Jun 19, 2025 9:19 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Most new science is dismissed

by the scientific ’’community". It takes time to overturn the consensus. Especially when it comes to diet. There are decades of myth and hogwash that need reassessing

by Teamdirtyleg on Jun 19, 2025 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The "scientific community" recommends

the food pyramid. And a low-fat, high carb diet . Fat Americans holla!

If I had a sig, this is where it would go.

by sinless1 on Jun 19, 2025 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Paleo is popular

Not saying it’s scientific, but I had a student recently who was a triathalete training for nationals, and she was on the paleo diet. She didn’t seem as picky about the pedigree of the protien (ate a ton of hard-boiled eggs, never saw a fishing pole). For her, it was high protien, low carb and lots of veggies - it seemed it was as much about avoiding processed food as anything.

by Flipteach on Jun 19, 2025 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

processed

I think a lot of docs/dieticians agree that non-processed foods are WAY better for you - which is where the natural stuff in the paleo diet comes in. There have also been studies that show that wild fish and game have a ton more good proteins, amino acids, good fats, etc. than farm raised stuff. Similarly, corn-fed beef has different protein structures/fat content than grass-fed beef. Organic basically just tries to ensure you aren’t eating pesticides and hormones - may not improve performance immediately, but may help prevent cancer down the road.

There needs to be a customized diet for these guys because they burn a ton of energy and have a ton of muscle mass. Hope it doesn’t have a bunch of processed/sugary crap in it.

by Texastough on Jun 19, 2025 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Processed

1) Disagree. Whole grains are superior to processed/bleached grains, but I think the main point is that we have over-emphasized their importance over the years

2.)pretty much agree with

3) Highly AGREE! As P&T would say, Organic is B#llshit! and ultimately will require us to plow under more land to feed the world.

4) What were we talking about again?

by Teamdirtyleg on Jun 19, 2025 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only consume the strongest, healthiest animals, right?

Well, that pretty much contradicts the whole evolution theory.

And it looks like processed foods are a big deal based on Mack’s quote:

On one of the big differences between this year and last year: As we said when we looked back through our results from last year and this year, guys have really done a great job with their body fat. Bennie has done a great job emphasizing, along with Amy Culp who is our nutritionist, about body fat. We’ve really done a great job getting all of the different supplements in their system, whether it be some bars or Muscle Milk or whatever supplements that we’re using and just doing nutrition time.

I have to admit I was a little concerned when Scipio posted this link:

http://www.sculpturetexas.com/ssm/Staff/1/Amy_Culp.ssm

With this quote:

She particularly enjoys utilizing a non-diet approach to help clients make peace with food and assisting athletes in getting an edge on the competition through proper fueling techniques.

We’ll see if this means anything substantive or not. Sounds like they are more into fueling with additives than a natural approach.

by WreckerTex on Jun 19, 2025 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

If, by "well read," you mean you didn't read it
The studies that led to the group’s controversial conclusions covered a wide range of crops and livestock that are raised and marketed under organic standards. For 10 out of 13 food crops studied, the researchers found no significant differences. Where they did find differences, those were attributed to differences in fertilizer use (say, the use of nitrogen vs. phosphorus) and the ripeness level at which the crops were harvested. The authors judged the differences observed “unlikely” to “provide any health benefit” to consumers.

Welcome to junk science. My definition of “well read” would include what the USDA discovered decades ago, as well as what I read on nutritional levels. But I’m not going to google all the stuff you should have before you went to your keyboard and announced yourself as a waste of my bandwidth.

Have fun with ignorance and cancer.

by SP!DER on Jun 19, 2025 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come to think of it

you just used DEFRA to evaluate NOP, without apparently knowing the difference between them or what’s happening with the latter.

Welcome to double ignore.

by SP!DER on Jun 19, 2025 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Genuinely curious as to your sources.

Indulge me; I, like many of the others here, have been quick to dismiss organic foods, primarily because as a graduate student I can’t begin to afford them.

by pleaseplaykindle on Jun 19, 2025 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Before I ever heard of the internet

I read a bunch of data from USDA studies commissioned by the Ford administration, showing that the vitamin, mineral, vegetable protein, and fiber content of American produce had declined sharply with the advent of petroagriculture in the mid-20th century. I realized I could actually see the difference in the bulk aisle (the nutritional labels that we have now were new at the time), which meant that I was getting less from most conventional foods, and I don’t like being ripped off.

Organic isn’t always better, but it’s worth a look. Sometimes, it makes no difference. And, with all marketing, there’s lots of hype. It’s also a quick way for me to find things that don’t contain the stuff that both my doctor and my vet say are going to kill me.

by SP!DER on Jun 19, 2025 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't follow paleo

for much the same reason I hate punk music: the fans are annoying, always arguing about authenticity.

That said, this looks positive. Yes, it’s about diabetics, but who doesn’t have diabetes these days?

The Paleolithic diet was mainly lower in cereals and dairy products, and higher in fruits, vegetables, meat and eggs, as compared with the Diabetes diet. Further, the Paleolithic diet was lower in total energy, energy density, carbohydrate, dietary glycemic load, saturated fatty acids and calcium, and higher in unsaturated fatty acids, dietary cholesterol and several vitamins. Dietary GI was slightly lower in the Paleolithic diet (GI = 50) than in the Diabetic diet (GI = 55).

by SP!DER on Jun 19, 2025 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, one last thing, since you asked

Organic milk is kind of a wash, unless you’re really concerned about the consequences of antibiotics in dairy herds. I buy organic milk because it has a longer shelf life, something that has nothing to do with organic standards, it’s just a coincidence that organic milk is preserved by a process (UHT) that is different from that of conventional milk (pasteurization).

by SP!DER on Jun 19, 2025 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even in a fridge,

regular milk spoils earlier than the organic. Organic milk actually has slightly less nutritional value than conventional, but I’m willing to pay for shelf life, if only because morning is the worst time for disappointment.

by SP!DER on Jun 19, 2025 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

if only because morning is the worst time for disappointment

That’s the same reasoning I gave my wife as to why we should only have sex in the evening.

by BurntOrangeJuice on Jun 19, 2025 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question

What the fvck is a non-organic cow or vegetable?

by codaxx on Jun 19, 2025 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

monsanto....

enough said….

by e1 kabong on Jun 19, 2025 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

let me clarify....

I am with ya…mostly.

But google them and read up on the genetic alterations they are doing to corn (round-up ready corn, specifically)…that shit can’t be good.

by e1 kabong on Jun 19, 2025 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I used to work a company that buys a lot of their product

Mansanto not only engineered the Round-Up Ready crop, they sued the farmers that replanted the seeds they had bought. You can also read about Monsanto’s Super Fund sites if you like getting angry. Also, for the liberals out there, take a look at their past Board of Directors. They are the company that movies about the little guy standing up to the evil empire are based on.

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by TexaStunna on Jun 20, 2025 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I saw someone the other day in The Domain marketing "organic rocks"

Yay for excessive overuse of trite, meaningless buzz words! I need to hear all about how your organic, free-range,hormone-free, BPA-free stones contribute to a sustainable, eco-friendly, green solution to helping main street bring synergy back to wall street and win the future. Or something…

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by Andrew Wiggin on Jun 19, 2025 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

It truly gets ridiculous...

I have little patience for buzzwords…

and even “organic corn”, if yellow, is still monsanto touched (at least most of it is)…so, is it any different? Hardly.

Personally, I don’t think that genetically altered food is a great idea…but besides that, as long as they don’t pour diesel on it…I’m fine.

I just avoid yellow corn if possible now…though, it’s almost impossible…and definitely improbable (corn syrup and what-not)…

I have a better question than “what is a non-organic cow?”….

How’s, “what the fvck is a grapple? (pronounced gray-pull)”

Because, they sell em at HEB…and I’m frankly scared to touch em after reading the package.

by e1 kabong on Jun 19, 2025 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

another question....

If I wanted grape AND apple flavored fruit (which I do not), why would I not use this nifty device called, “a blender”?

by e1 kabong on Jun 19, 2025 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of corn, I hate that all corn is bred to be sweet these days

(unrelated tangent warning) Whether by genetic mutation or just good ole breeding. It’s not the method that bothers me, it’s the end product. Who decided Americans only eat sweet corn? I don’t want my corn sweet. I just want corn!

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by Andrew Wiggin on Jun 19, 2025 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lol...

Monsanto has monopolized corn. They have created their super hardy species, and via natural and unnatural methods of dispersal…they have pretty much rid the united states of anything BUT round up ready sweet corn…

They have gone so far as to sue for and successfully seize control of farmers land if there is 1 of their plants on it (which occurs naturally)…It’s really fvcked up.

It has gone so far that Mexico has attempted to ban it (due to their heritage related to corn) because they are afraid of Monsanto making an international claim against them, and taking all of their stockpiled seed (another thing mosanto does when they sue farmers).

This cluster-fvck of litigation has caused many farmers to be forced to grow monsanto seed…which, of course, is exactly what they want.

This is why you most likely will only find “sweet” corn in most produce stores. Because it’s the only kind Monsanto makes.

Don’t believe me? I wouldn’t either….or didn’t, until I did the legwork. Look it up.

Absolutely befuddling.

by e1 kabong on Jun 19, 2025 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you want the short, dramatic version...

I believe Hulu has an OK docu up on it. Or did 6 mos ago.

Off the top of my head, I think it might be called…
Future of food (might be mistaken)….something like that….I’m sure google can help ya find it.

by e1 kabong on Jun 19, 2025 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, I was interested enough to look again....

It’s still there, here’s a direct link…..

http://www.hulu.com/watch/67878

Also, Food inc. touches on it and other patents on food. But…that’s not up on hulu anymore.

by e1 kabong on Jun 19, 2025 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

incorrect

the chemical composition of grass fed meat is different from that of grain fed meat. the same can be said for farm-raised fish versus wild caught.

i was in your same camp years ago dismissing all of it as hippy mumbo jumbo, and then i started eating grass fed meat and noticed my testosterone levels would increase naturally (higher sex drive, more energy, etc) the day after. read the paleo solution if you want to learn more. it’s been awhile since I read so i don’t want to go throwing too much info around.

by feltgod on Jun 19, 2025 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

No its not.

The chemical composition is the chemical composition. It is what it is, or it’s something different.

It would be a different animal if its “chemical composition” was different.

There are 21 amino acids. They always have the same chemical structure.

Only thing that changes is levels of fat for animals that are fed more and allowed to get fatter, and anything foreign that is absorbed. But the chemical properties do not and cannot change.

by CMDR on Jun 19, 2025 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

technically it's fat composition

the ratio of omega-3 fats to omega 6-fats is different in grass fed animals vs grain fed and in farm-raised vs wild caught fish.

whether that constitutes a chemical difference is beyond my understanding of the topic.

by feltgod on Jun 19, 2025 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, technically, CMDR and I were arguing proteins, since we're talking athletes

The ratio of Omega fats would only matter if you’re pregnant. And MAYBE if you have arthritis, alzheimers, etc.

I hope the Paleo advocates for our athletes have more going for them than just omega fat ratios.

by Fried Rice on Jun 19, 2025 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

"It would be a different animal if its "chemical composition" was different."

So true:

Robots are everywhere, and they eat old people's medicine for fuel.

by BrickHorn on Jun 20, 2025 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You ate healthier and are basing this on a sample size of 1 and such hard, observable evidence as higher testosterone levels deduced from a percieved increase in sex drive and energy rather than, you know, your actual measured testosterone levels?

Sorry, but people in general do a shitty job of collecting evidence, connecting cause and effect, and seeing real trends when they are basing things off of personal experiences rather than looking at large sample sizes.

by UT_BKC on Jun 19, 2025 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

well there are stacks of literature

verifying similar results which is why i tried the diet in the first place.

by feltgod on Jun 19, 2025 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm curious enough to check out the book.

But I need to know this: Does the book cite basic science articles and draw from the conclusions of the primary investigators? Are there references to statistical significance, or it best basically “we interpret this data to suggest this…”

by BurntOrangeJuice on Jun 20, 2025 10:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sigh. Autocorrect.

… or is it basically…

by BurntOrangeJuice on Jun 20, 2025 10:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cmon. What do you think?

It is hard enough to find credible studies comparing head-to-head efficacies of different FDA-approved medications, that include healthy sample sizes.

by Fried Rice on Jun 20, 2025 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Okay. Fair enough. I’ll settle for a yes to the first question as a condition for buying the book.

by BurntOrangeJuice on Jun 20, 2025 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw a salad in those pics

And maybe it was sirloin instead of ribeye. Whole wheat pasta. Makes the world of difference.

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by kriess on Jun 19, 2025 9:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Mac and Cheese

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by Funkytown on Jun 19, 2025 9:44 AM CDT reply actions  

I started wondering about this topic

When the Cowboys were on “hard knocks” and it showed them having chicken for almost every meal….I get that chicken is a lean protein, but because I (and my friends) have had some success with the blood-type diet, I just can’t believe in a one type of food works for everyone approach….in fact, according to that diet, chicken is an avoid for a large percentage of the population (B blood type) because of its effect on slowing the metabolism and its effect on the blood.

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by UTLawGrad on Jun 19, 2025 11:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Palio

Trying to get players to eat right is crazy difficult. Though you can control most of their main meals, you can’t control snacking, all weekends, moms cooking, etc. I would disagree with Palio being the optimal option for high level athletes that are working out multiple times a day. It’s proven athletes need more good carbs than the average person trying to lose weight or play open gym twice a week. I think a modified (that’s what a dieticians job is) primal diet would be a little closer to what these athletes need, though still not perfect. A steak, salad, and small portion of Mac and cheese (if prepared properly, of better than what 99% of them would have eaten on their own.

by lukel2255 on Jun 19, 2025 11:20 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

you can replace the pasta and the rice

with sweet potatoes to get the same amount of carbohydrate replacement while not running into the digestion and insulin spiking problems related to high consumption of grains. Paleo + dairy (protein shakes mostly from pure whole milk) has been noted as an effective diet for many high level athletes who need high caloric intake.

I have no horse in this race so to speak, but Paleo can be effective. I know of at least one UFC fighter who swears by it.

by feltgod on Jun 19, 2025 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was kind of hoping...

That the dietician’s job would be as much about individual plans as overseeing the banquet catering. I’m not saying that mac and cheese is something she shouldn’t try to limit, but I was imagining she’d be telling Edmond how to keep the weight lean, and Espinosa how to add productive mass instead of slow bulk. It is true that we want the whole team making good choices, but let’s maybe give her a pass on this one dinner.

Jonathan Gray’s Gatorate cache was pretty funny. If I recall the same photo, Applewhite is in the background with a “you know, we have water here” look on his face.

by Flipteach on Jun 19, 2025 11:20 AM CDT reply actions  

She's got a lot of electrolytes??!!

That would explain the bloating.

by Fried Rice on Jun 19, 2025 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't forget the plants....and cows.

Brawndo…erm Gatorade has it all. And by “it all”, I mean electrolytes.

by e1 kabong on Jun 19, 2025 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please...

I’d drill Kim Kardashian in a hearbeat.

I doubt any of you would be kicking her out of your bed either.

by Hippie Killer on Jun 20, 2025 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jonas Salk says that

diet alone is no preventative against a debilitating virus.

by Parlin on Jun 19, 2025 12:24 PM CDT reply actions  

I cant imagine telling kids they need to eat off the Paleo menu

I eat on the low/slow carb diet, which isnt too dissimilar, I can tell you it can be difficult to stick with unless you are doing all your own cooking.
There is no readily available fast food option out there and it can be a little bit more expensive to stick to. How do we expect broke student athletes to pay for grass fed organic beef and fresh organic vegetables? Is the school going to serve them three square/paleo meals a day? Is that even allowed?

by Teamdirtyleg on Jun 19, 2025 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

These guys work hard

I doubt there’s much problem having a helping of macaroni and cheese. My guess is the trouble comes from having a gallon of it of just camping out at the trough full time.

by RomaVicta on Jun 19, 2025 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

'The Zone' is a way of eating that has been proven with athletic teams,

as well as, individuals with certain medical conditions, such as diabetes and high cholesterol. It works to lower body fat and maintain energy levels. The beauty of The Zone is that it does not leave one feeling deprived. It does deal with ‘fast burn’ carbs as opposed to ‘slow burn’ carbs.

The guys on the team, however, are working out hard, and they don’t have to follow any eating plan the way one of us would. I don’t want them looking like a malnourished model, do you?

by j_java on Jun 19, 2025 3:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Is "The Zone" synonymous with "40-30-30?"

That’s what I used to (approximately) follow when I was actually in shape and gave a shit. It worked pretty well.

Robots are everywhere, and they eat old people's medicine for fuel.

by BrickHorn on Jun 19, 2025 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. It also stress carbs that don't spike insulin.

It is impossible to stick with The Zone & eat many processed foods. I agree it is pretty good.

by j_java on Jun 19, 2025 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I liked it

That diet is actually pretty easy to stick with, if you approach it from a “basic guidelines” standpoint. Basically, eat a lot of lean proteins, fruits and vegetables, mix in some healthy fats, and avoid high-glycemic carbs. It’s kind of “Food Pyramid”-y but good enough for the average Joe who’s just trying to tone up and feel better.

Robots are everywhere, and they eat old people's medicine for fuel.

by BrickHorn on Jun 19, 2025 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is easy to stick with and very effective.

They published a Zone recipe book. Most of the dishes in there are time friendly and taste good. There is just no allowance for Big Mac’s or Burger King.

American’s started getting fat when the medical establishment decided we needed to be grain-fed. I like the 40-30-30, with exercise.

by j_java on Jun 20, 2025 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why is this front page?

I always figured BC had better bullshit detectors than this…

The whole thing is just stretching the word “processed”. White bread is “bad” for you because the process breaks down and removes the rough fiber and makes it easier to digest, which means more calories. If you just eat less of it and replace the fiber with veggies or something you’re ok. The problem with processed foods is not that it doesn’t go straight from nature into your gut, it’s that they often use too much salt and sugar. The problem is people have easy access to very calorie-dense and extremely nutritious foods which they take way too much of because it defeats our body’s mechanism for preventing overeating.

Bottom line: If they get the right amount of fiber, calories, and protein it doesn’t matter where they get it from. If they eat a 1000 calorie steak and mac and cheese dinner with a salad, they can go out and whip your favorite organic paleo fed team’s ass all day for half the price. Eat your caveman food all you want but give me none of the superiority complex.

by Horn Brain on Jun 19, 2025 4:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Stayed at Holiday Inn

You make some good points but you’re also oversimplifying — food is not just “fiber, calories, and protein.” The type of protein/amino acids matters. So does the type of fat. Vitamins and minerals, antioxidants, enzymes, all that stuff matter. Plus, some foods might give you fiber/calories/protein, but also a bunch of unwanted stuff too. I could go on and on, but the point is that calories are not all equal.

The caveman food is not about being superior — its becoming more and more clear that our bodies digest and use foods in simpler states better, and foods in simpler states retain more of their nutritional value beyond just calorie content.

by Texastough on Jun 19, 2025 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because interesting conversation doesn't always stem from agreement
White bread is "bad" for you because the process breaks down and removes the rough fiber and makes it easier to digest, which means more calories.


Yes. Also glycemic index factors. There’s pretty solid evidence that quick carbs drive insulin drive fat. I don’t pretend to be an expert, but what I’ve read and heard makes me strongly doubt the wisdom that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie.

by Scipio Tex on Jun 19, 2025 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are certainly advantages to certain types of foods

But they don’t matter nearly as much as people want to think they do. It isn’t rocket science, it’s conservation of mass/energy. Heard of the twinkie diet? With athletes, more protein is needed, but whether it comes from a steak or a highly processed whey protein shake makes little difference.

The thing that paleo does right is target high protein, low calorie foods, because you’re essentially trying to get as much protein in your body as possible before you put in too many calories. That’s all fine, but don’t take it further and say that this rebranding of common f***ing sense with abutments of the naturalistic fallacy is responsible for any benefits from this diet. People like feltgod are claiming a hell of a lot more than what the evidence you’re talking about may be hinting at. By and large, a calorie is a calorie is a calorie. There are secondary effects but they aren’t going to win you any football games.

by Horn Brain on Jun 19, 2025 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

this ^

Also, those highly processed whey shakes work pretty damn well. Would advise against pulling them out of the players diet just because they are not paleo. I am not a nutritionist. I have, however, gotten absolutely shredded on those things.

by e1 kabong on Jun 19, 2025 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Comparing the arrogance in tone of your post to my OP

and I think we can easily see that the superiority complex is yours.

by feltgod on Jun 19, 2025 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone call the burn unit.

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by run Bevo run on Jun 20, 2025 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not that I have any fucking idea what I'm talking about

but there is extensive research that the human microbiome plays a significant role in determining health outcomes and their sensitivity to diet. Such trends are uncorrelated among populations and regions of the world — they are a function of the bacteria in your gut. If anyone here cares to read it, the latest issue of Nature is devoted to this and is free for the next week or so: http://www.nature.com/nature/current_issue.html

by pleaseplaykindle on Jun 19, 2025 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wrong link

http://precedings.nature.com/collections/human-microbiome-project

by pleaseplaykindle on Jun 19, 2025 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Microbiomes

That will be very interesting to follow. Next thing you know we’ll be smearing bacteria creams on our skin to treat skin problems and eating petri dishes to treat GI diseases.

by BurntOrangeJuice on Jun 20, 2025 10:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think you underestimate

how much more you know about nutrition than your average bear. I still don’t see the problem with mac ‘n cheese, depending on what’s in it.

by SP!DER on Jun 19, 2025 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

pasta and cheese?

Regardless of what the mac is made of (or for that matter, the cheese), it should simply be in moderation (i.e. not a serving-bowl size portion).

Even things that are great for you can easily kill you if over-consumed. Quick example? Water. Great if you are dehydrated….kills you if you drink too much. Pretty much any other food or drink can replace this example and cause damage in huge quantities…

And yet, you could eat hot dogs and drink a 6 pack every other night until the age of 96 (at least, that’s how old my relative who practiced this made it) and live a full and healthy life.

So, I would have to argue that if it isn’t poisonous in small quantities (just so no one tries to eat ajax to prove me wrong), you are probably fine eating a small portion of pretty much anything.

As an aside…we are hunter/gatherers, which means we should (in theory) subsist on whatever is available at the time. THAT’s straight paleo yo. Even cavemen processed at least some of their food. (Fire, seasoning, cleaning it…etc)

by e1 kabong on Jun 19, 2025 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Michael Phelps wants you to stick your Paleo diet up where you keep your pet gerbil

“A New York Post account of Phelps’s… wait for it… 12,000-calorie-a-day diet, gave us a stomachache. Could one human being really consume that much and still be in Phelps’s shape? And could this possibly be healthy for Phelps, even considering his five-hours-a-day, six-days-a-week exercise regimen?

Here’s Phelps’s typical menu. (No, he doesn’t choose among these options. He eats them all, according to the Post.)

Breakfast: Three fried-egg sandwiches loaded with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and mayonnaise. Two cups of coffee. One five-egg omelet. One bowl of grits. Three slices of French toast topped with powdered sugar. Three chocolate-chip pancakes.

Lunch: One pound of enriched pasta. Two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayo on white bread. Energy drinks packing 1,000 calories.

Dinner: One pound of pasta. An entire pizza. More energy drinks. "

by Fried Rice on Jun 19, 2025 5:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Do you honestly believe he eats all that?

100% myth. It wouldn’t surprise me if this originated from an article on The Onion that someone mistakenly took seriously. It’s just not really realistic.

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by Andrew Wiggin on Jun 19, 2025 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

While 12000 is a bit if a stretch....

5000 isn’t, especially if you are trying to gain weight, and working your tail off. I’m 6’1" and when I was working construction (quite a while ago) weighed between 165-170 with pretty much minimal body fat while eating approximately that much.

Have to say, even I was surprised when I added it all up… a friend of mine noticed the massive amount I was eating and asked me to start keeping track for a study she was doing for her nutrition class.

by e1 kabong on Jun 19, 2025 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I bet 5-7k is probably pheasible, though, not necessarily recommended...

especially with weight training and everything else they do.

by e1 kabong on Jun 19, 2025 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Challenge accepted.

How much time do I have to complete it?

by BurntOrangeJuice on Jun 20, 2025 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I ate 12 boiled ones during my second breakfast in college my first year. Get up at 6 and drink a whey protien shake (oh no! Processed!) with about 3 cups of coffee and a serving of oatmeal blended in. At about 830 i’d eat my banana and dozen eggs sitting calc listening to Triesman. I think my classmates hated me. I know my roommate did. As much chicken, tuna, and beef as I would eat the rest of the day, I don’t think 50 eggs would have been hard.

by UT_BKC on Jun 20, 2025 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Swimming =/= football

Calm down, jj. The post is here only to be interesting. Esp for people who have gerbils. The nutritional requirements for swimming are vastly different from football. Swimming is much more aerobic, non-resistance. Football players have much more lean muscle mass and need to be much heavier. Swimmers are lithe and light. Swimmers need more carbs; football players need more protein.

by Fried Rice on Jun 19, 2025 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

yea...

But steak and mac n cheese is hardly 12000 calories right? So the point remains.

(what follows is directed at entire thread)
There are pro athletes that eat primarily fast food (and do well, might I add). It all depends on the individual. One diet is not going to make the whole team better, as people have different genetics and food affects them differently.

I realize that some people have better results with a certain diet. That’s fine. It does not mean that every team member should be on the same diet.

Also, steak and mac is carbs and protein. That is pretty much textbook for adding weight and lifting.Two things these freshmen should be doing pretty much constantly.

This is a non-issue.

by e1 kabong on Jun 19, 2025 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

in fact...in the article Mack states....

“They’re working out with older, more experienced, stronger guys, so they’re going through a weight program”

by e1 kabong on Jun 19, 2025 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

My two cents

We, as a collective of humans attempting through scientific and non-scientific means to understand just what in the hell is going on inside of our bodies and how they work, are still pretty damn far off from really understanding them. The fields of Biochemistry and Biology are still making discoveries that undermine conventional wisdom and in turn become the new conventional wisdom only to later be dethroned. This, to me, is what makes biology so interesting: we don’t know shit. The more we discover, the more we realize how much we actually understand. This goes double for neuroscience, which is why I chose it for my field of study. (Of course, now I’m in business related to neuroscience and not doing any research, but I got’s to get that cash money.)

Nowhere is our collective ignorance regarding the inner workings of our bodies more apparent than in nutrition, as can be seen from the vicissitudes of what we consider to be healthy or unhealthy. Eggs are bad, no eggs are good- just not the yolks. Wait, the yolks are where the lecithin is, which we need. You shouldn’t eat any fat, but actually you should eat fat, just not trans-fat or saturated fat. Fat’s fine, but carbs are the devil. I actually had a guy who had just read the Atkins diet when it was the latest revelation in dieting tell me that if we’d just stop eating carbs, 80% of disease that afflicts humans would go away. Amazing.

This is why I view any new diet with much skepticism. Not to mention, they’re easy get rich quick schemes and are often based on shaky science. The only nutritional wisdom that has never been disproved is this: if you want to lose weight, that is go into a catabolic state, you need to consume less energy than you burn; if you want to gain weight, you need to be in an anabolic state so you better eat more than you burn. All diets are just a strategy to reach the desired metabolic state.

by BurntOrangeJuice on Jun 19, 2025 6:35 PM CDT reply actions  

This is pretty astute....

I like the way you phrased it….reminded me of something louis black did….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXS5GBuk-GQ

by e1 kabong on Jun 19, 2025 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Enjoyed the clip. LB’s outrage at anything and everything cracks me up.

by BurntOrangeJuice on Jun 20, 2025 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well said

The commercial ‘diet food’ industry has probably done more harm than good. I feel like the answers we need will come from neuroscience. Mans relationship to food has been a critical evolutionary force and “you are what you eat” may apply to the entire species.

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by Caradoc on Jun 20, 2025 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Given that we now have more than 100 comments debating fats, carbs, protein, hormones, insulin, etc.

Fall football practice can’t come soon enough.

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by luvcollegefootball on Jun 20, 2025 9:50 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Well this all got out of control quickly.

I’m going to go buy some ice cream.

by notsofst on Jun 20, 2025 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of all the dieticians on this board...

it would be funny to see pictures of these experts and see how many can even get out of their own chair without it sticking to their hips.

I say feed the players a ton of Chicken, Fish and Vegetables every night and we are good to go.

Fad diets need to go the way of the Pink Polo…take it out back and shoot it in the head.

by Hippie Killer on Jun 20, 2025 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't fall into the dietician category... (caveat: I just wrote a book! No, but seriously...I didn't mean for it to be this long...apologies in advance)

But since I have posted a few opinions on here, I will contribute. I am still 6’1" (as I mentioned in one of my posts, but I actually weigh less than I did when I was working construction. I hover between 150-160, but with a slightly higher body fat percentage (damn beer). Needless to say, I swim in most chairs that aren’t made for kids.

As an aside: I got a friend of mine who is a rail to gain weight after he swore to me he couldn’t due to his genetics. Just made him drink protein shakes and a meat-heavy diet for a few weeks (and of course, made him lift). His argument was that he could never gain weight like I did while I was doing physical labor (I told him he could…perhaps not to the extent I did…but he could nonetheless.) Turns out he just wasn’t eating nearly enough protein…so his body was eating it’s own muscle…resulting in him staying super thin. We never even weighed him…he just looked in the mirror after 3 weeks, and handed me a fifty (with his head down).

That was pretty funny, and I won 50 bucks off him, which I promptly spent on libations (mmmm….beer).

Another example. A friend of mine was dating a…heavier chick. After hanging out with her for a while I realized that any time a diet commercial came on…she would say “that doesn’t work…I’ve tried all the diets….blahblah…genetics…blahblah…”. This continued for a while until I had become really annoyed with it, and I asked if she had tried limiting her caloric intake while doing a cardio heavy workout for at least an hour a day.

Never got a legitimate response to that question. Just a beet red face…and a few mumbled words under her own breath. Turns out, she just wanted an excuse to be lazy. (Later, she lost 20 lbs and was extremely happy with herself….but it took a while for her to get over my snide comment before she finally tried it)

Point being, there are lots of fad diets and beliefs about nutrition that people have been told or tell themselves (for whatever reason) that are simply not true. But they tell themselves enough that they firmly believe their own (or someone-else’s) BS without ever testing it. Might as well be religion.

by e1 kabong on Jun 20, 2025 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

And how in God’s name does a thread on freshman football players eating macaroni and cheese get more comments than any other topic on this site?

by Yossarian Rising on Jun 20, 2025 2:48 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Everybody is an expert on nutrition.

Not true with football. People come here to be educated about football, but when nutrition comes up, they come here to educate.

by BurntOrangeJuice on Jun 20, 2025 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed.

Between the lack of evidence (or, readily available/credible evidence more specifically), and the fact that I doubt Scip is read up on this subject (based on his response) it is easy to debate without anyone ever dropping a hammer of proof on them. Scip is great for that in football related matters.

Also, I got here late, and was bored yesterday, so I made up for lost time (like 10 posts or something). So, part of it is my fault. Sorry YR. = P

by e1 kabong on Jun 20, 2025 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've read a decent amount about it

And I think the time-honored Food Pyramid is a joke, but I’m also really hesitant to opine authoritatively on a subject where so many scientists and physicians with much better backgrounds and educations on the subject than I have been so wrong.

My approach to this is basically Popperian - I can tell a lot of what’s wrong, but I’m not sure what’s right beyond some basic generalities.

by Scipio Tex on Jun 20, 2025 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps I phrased that wrong?

I can’t really tell from your post if this is what you gleaned from my comment or not but my intent was definitely not to insinuate that you were uneducated on the subject…

I was rather saying that it is not necessarily your area of expertise, certainly not like longhorn football in that regard. That said, you weren’t particularly active on this thread, which tells me that either a) you were uninterested, or b) you simply felt out of place correcting or even theorizing on what is correct. Clearly based on your response here, it is the latter.

Also, I also noticed you posted an article a bit earlier, so I assume quite a bit of time was spent putting that together and revising it. (hadn’t seen it when I posted my original comment)

And I agree. I also was hesitant to say what is correct and incorrect…as foot doesn’t taste very good (to each his own in this regard though).

Also agree on the food pyramid. The evidence presented is as close to junk science as one could get and still be funded by the government. Honestly I think BOJ’s first comment about Mad Dog’s interpretation of the “food triangle” sums up the pyramid nicely.

Unfortunately, this is an area of science that is on par with the ocean, or space (which is odd considering that it has to do with something so close to us…closer even than the ocean…, and is yet so foreign) where we have only begun to examine the exposed part of the iceberg.

What I know of nutrition (not saying all of it is necessarily correct) stems from my own research into the subject back when I was really emphasizing fitness in my life. Even so, that is (to an extent) extremely simple. Calories in < calories out = lose weight and vice versa type stuff. I do know that a sizable chunk of our diet should contain protein in some form , especially when working out, otherwise your body will look to other sources of protein (your and my other, less active, muscles) if it doesn’t have enough to repair the muscles you/I are working. Carbs are necessary to fuel the workout (but should be avoided in large amounts after (unless working out early in the day). I know that certain vitamins and minerals are more necessary and need to be consumed in some form more often than others. But really, that, and a few tidbits that a nutrition major and my own experience have taught me are really about it.

Due to lack of clear and thorough evidence, and due to your (from what I’ve seen) proclivity for cold hard facts backing up a hypothesis (a good thing in my mind)…I figured that this led you to abstain for the most part.

Thusly, the lack of an authoritative figure (at least perceived) on the subject, leads to a higher rate of guesswork and opinion…since there is relatively little threat of someone proving a particular hypothesis wrong. Hence, a 150 response thread.

And yet again, I must apologize for writing a novel. Though, I doubt many will have the displeasure of viewing this eye-sore as most have probably moved on (your and 2 other new articles up). I just wanted to be clear because it was hard for me to interpret the tone of your response, and I didn’t want to offend.

If you made it this far, may I ask what your opinion on actually serving the frosh mac n cheese with steak is? As, I noticed that you didn’t ever really respond to that question in particular…probably for reasons we’ve gone over, but humor me here…as I am curious. Is this a non-issue and even “par for the weight-training course”, or a is it mis-step by our staff?

by e1 kabong on Jun 20, 2025 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

No offense taken.

I don’t think any one meal matters. I do think it’s amusing though and it was a good jumping off point for discussion.

by Scipio Tex on Jun 21, 2025 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions  


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