Take a ride on THE RELEGATOR: Would the English Premier League's system work in college football?
Let's acknowledge up front it's highly unlikely that we ever see a relegation system in college football like the English Premier League's top-3-move-up, bottom-3-drop-down format.
But if you caught the waning moments of the EPL season on Sunday (Fox broadcast eight games live), you now know the possibilities are infinitely awesome and it is our job in the off season to indulge each and every fantasy that could potentially improve the game we love dearly from its currently handcuffed (and quite boring) system.
We learned that yes, it is possible to buy a title, even if that guarantee doesn't get delivered until the final two minutes of the season in cluster fluxing fashion.
Manchester City scored two goals in stoppage time against Queens Park Rangers to take back the Barclay's Trophy dangled teasingly to crosstown rivals Manchester United just minutes earlier. Wayne Rooney and a sea of United fans glazed over in a stony countenance as the news spread throughout the stadium of City's unlikely -- no, impossible -- comeback. The albatross of collective angst carried by every EPL fan had briefly been lifted for Red Devils supporters, only to tighten like a wet, beer-soaked noose minutes later as they silently contemplated mass suicide. Has anybody seen Sir Alex Ferguson since Sunday?
Living in the UK is great until you have to leave the stadium and your weekly dose of bread & circus is over. There's only one viable sport (sorry, rugby and cricket) and it's more important than the air they breathe. It's not like they can conveniently bounce from college football to NFL to college basketball to NHL/NBA playoffs to college baseball to six months of MLB before it all starts up again, suspending proper mourning for a season gone wrong that ended months ago.
Just ask fans of Bolton, Wolverhampton, and Blackburn; whose teams were relegated back to the Championship division after finishing in the bottom three of the EPL table on Sunday. Don't let the name fool you -- that's like going from the SEC to Conference USA. But the cool thing is you can actually make it back to the EPL if you win that division, whereas the fate of teams in C-USA are currently up to bug-eyed, clipboard-carrying administrators. Remember when the Big East was cool? Yeah. Now the league is fighting for it's life, Hunger Games-style. If FSU leaves the ACC, you're basically left with an elite basketball conference and Clemson. Remember when everybody wrote off the Big 12 after it lost CU, Nebraska, Mizzou, and A&M?
Okay, that was probably a fair reaction at the time. But let's see who joins the conference in the coming years.
In general, the barometer for realignment success is as follows: Any proposed format that inflames Jim Delany's hemorrhoids to inscrutable levels of pain is a Win. Any scenario that puts Belmont in the final against Lehigh probably doesn't work. With regards to this relegation experiment, we want to extract the Every Little Guy Has a Chance! theme from the FA Cup (f Chelsea) with some controlled measures from Champion's League qualifying rules - top four wealthiest teams advance - throw it all in the Vitamix, and sort out the chunks left in this delicious yet healthy sporting smoothie.
Now that anyone including the family pet or live-in geriatric can start a Wordpress blog, radical post-season ideas are easy to promote, even if some have an audience of three and never gain traction. That hasn't stopped Brickhorn from espousing his theories about life to anyone that will listen.
Fortunately some smart folks have already done most of the heavy lifting. And since we are no longer paid by the word, Penthouse Forum-style, we shall gladly link to their work and celebrate its originality.
Relegation: Why College Football Needs to Embrace Cannibalism
Some choice excerpts from Ser Hall's treatise:
In short: relegation is the stick to the carrot of promotion between hierarchical leagues. In the English Premier League, you've got 20 spots in the lifeboat. Three of those seats are ejector seats and will be reserved for the three teams caught at the bottom each year. Those three teams will be replaced by three others fit enough to climb into the boat and try their luck in one of the world's most profitable game of musical chairs, and thus reap the carrot end of the bargain: EPL revenues.
This is determined mostly -- but not solely -- by the team's performance on the field. EPL fans will now bore the living daylights out of you by explaining the arcana of soccer politics to you, but the general thrust is this: the system does a lot to protect the big four and little to ensure the upward mobility of teams like the lowly Blackpools and Wolverhamptons of the world. Then you, as an American, can giggle at an Englishman being shocked at a system favoring a hereditary aristocracy and rev off in a donked-up pickup truck while blasting "Proud To Be An American."
If you happen to be a college football fan, you cannot do this too hard, though. This phenomenon already reigns in our fair sport, a tilted playing field of 20 or so aristocrats passing national titles and conference titles around. The last true surprise in the national championship picture came in 1990 when Georgia Tech and Colorado split a title. Since then, the national title and subsequent BCS titles have been shared between 14 teams, and none of them a surprise in the least in terms of money spent on football, talent available or national name recognition.
I like to envision A&M's move to the SEC as one slow, sustained entry into an ejector seat that will go off at some unspecified future date.
So how would this all work exactly?
Conferences need not go anywhere, but instead would have have affiliated subconferences. The Big Ten contracts out to the MAC for their second division, while the PAC-12 turns the Mountain West into theirs. The Big 12 grabs Conference-USA, while the SEC turns the Sun Belt into their kickass redneck rec room. The ACC turns the Big East into theirs, and if that sounds like an insult to the Big East, you really should take a long hard look at the Big East's current membership.
Geek out on a thousand different variations of this if you like. NAIA schools at the very bottom, making their own deals with D-3 all the way up the chain ... there's no limit to the permutations in this game of CIv 8: College Football Edition. It's boundlessly complex, but embraces the existing power structures of the game except for Jim Delany and of the Big Ten, who is as much a consideration for the future of the sport as North Korea is to the global economy.
One particularly inspired Georgia Bulldogs fan charted this brave new world in the form of conference stacks, where divisions are aligned by region then each power conference is supported by two lesser feeder divisions.
Here's what the new, Neck-stomping Big 12 would look like:
Big XII
|
(Top) |
| North | South |
| Colorado |
Arkansas |
| Kansas |
LSU |
| Kansas State |
Oklahoma |
| Missouri |
Texas Tech |
| Nebraska | Texas |
| Oklahoma State |
Texas A&M |
Mountain West
|
(Second-Tier) |
| East | West |
| Louisiana Tech |
Baylor |
| Louisiana-Lafayette | Air Force |
| Houston | Wyoming |
| TCU |
Tulsa |
| Rice |
New Mexico |
| SMU |
UTEP |
Third-Tier Conferences |
|
| Southland Conference (LA, AR) |
Missouri Valley Conference (TX, NM, CO, MO) |
| Louisiana-Monroe | North Texas |
| Tulane |
New Mexico State |
| McNeese State |
UT San Antonio |
| Nicholls State |
Lamar |
| Northwestern State (LA) |
Sam Houston State |
| Southeastern Louisiana |
Stephen F. Austin |
| Arkansas State |
Texas State |
| Central Arkansas |
Northern Colorado |
| Missouri State |
|
| SE Missouri State |
Adios SEC! This league would dominate. But it would also suck to finish in the bottom three and get relegated to the Mountain West. You'd lose money and fan interest pretty quickly. Finish in the bottom three of that leage and your game days are spent watching the Southland Conference. The relegation death spiral happens quickly and like Krohn's Disease there are very few known cures. Only a handful of teams that get relegated in the EPL make it back to the top flight, so there is a huge incentive to remain competitive.
This is why the SEC pays its recruits. QED.
The Financial Times did a study of the divide in earnings between the top four EPL finishers that earn a Champion's League qualifying berth (European club championship tourney) and those that finish 5th or worse. The difference in potential revenue was close to $50 million for teams that advance to the knockout phase of the Champion's League versus teams finish 5-8 in the EPL, who toil in the lesser Europa tournament.
This is also why Nick Saban sent 105 recruiting letters to a 5-star running back prospect ... IN ONE DAY.
If none of this relegation stuff makes any sense, just read this Q&A with Kevin McCauley.
So the only way to move up is to earn it, but there's more than one way to earn things. Is Sheikh Mansour the T. Boone Pickens of soccer?
Sheikh Mansour as T. Boone Pickens is a good comparison, and there seem to be quite a few of these in both sports. Chelsea, Malaga, and Paris Saint-Germain are some other teams that went from being underachievers and/or lovable losers to being rich as hell overnight, just because some billionaire decided to make the team his plaything.
The obvious difference is that T. Boone Pickens is not allowed to go write Gunner Kiel a check for $50 million.What happens when a big rivalry breaks up? As a Wisconsin man, you'd probably feel strange about losing an annual rivalry with Minnesota when they headed for the MAC. Since that would've happened in 2007, and all.
Losing big rivalries feels very, very odd. This season in Argentina hasn't felt like a real season without the Super Clasico between River Plate and Boca Juniors. I think it probably hits fans sometime near the end of the season, when they realize, "Wow, we didn't play [rival] this year." This is probably how it's going to go for Missouri and Kansas, as well as Texas and Texas A&M. They won't realize how much they miss it until it's December and the game never happened.
This doesn't cause the teams' fans to lose hate for each other, though. Manchester United hasn't played Leeds United in a league match in nearly a decade now, but any Man United fan over the age of 12 still despises Leeds.
Speak for youself, McCauley. A&M can drown in a bubbling bath of adder venom and cyanide. And yes, we will hate Arkansas until the sun turns black.
Let's put this shit to a vote.
Longhorns Fan Confidence Poll
Last tallied on 05/16.
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I voted Yes...
But should add that I also hope the Lakers never win another game.
by Burnt Orange Wookiee on May 15, 2025 11:36 AM CDT reply actions
Reminds me of Pat Forde's disaster-piece three years ago...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=4369091&sportCat=ncf
FKT’s response (for nostalgia purposes): https://www.barkingcarnival.com/2009/08/13/forde-excursion/
by A-Tex Devil on May 15, 2025 11:47 AM CDT reply actions
So why are Colorado and Kansas
given seats at the Big Boy table to start out and TCU isn’t?
by srr50 on May 15, 2025 12:12 PM CDT reply actions
Frankly srr of all people I'm surprised you asked this question
Colorado, much like Texas, is the flagship university in a state with over 5 million people. Kansas is the flagship university in a state with almost 3 million people.
TCU is a small private school that happens to have a good football team for the past 10 years or so. TCU’s bankability is based on its questionable ability to maintain a powerful football program. Given the schools history and demographics, if Patterson takes a better job, the odds are good that TCU will sink back to football mediocrity.
Not that it matters, no “big boy school” would ever agree to this system.
To prove my point, if this system were in place in the eighties and nineties, Texas would likely not have been in the top division.
Furthermore, it’s fucking soccer, it can’t possibly be a good idea.
by texitect on May 15, 2025 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Kansas and Colorado are flagship Universities
in states that don’t give a damn about college football.
by srr50 on May 15, 2025 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, they do
when their teams are winning. While, Kansas has been a laughing stock, even they have proven that with the right coach they can win and fill up their admittedly small stadium. CU “won/tied” the MNC not so very long ago. If CU ever hires the right coach they could be very good. It’s not so much that college football isn’t popular in Colorado, its just that if the team sucks there might just be fresh powder up at A-Basin.
Not that I need to remind you, because you were probably at the games, but it wasn’t so long ago to that Texas was selling $5 tickets at the HEB, and playing to half empty stadiums.
But my point really was that if you were to adopt this crazy idea, you would need to get the support of all the big universities, they are the ones that would suffer if they sucked for a few years. So realistically, CU and KU, Texas, OU etc. would only agree to this crazy scheme if they were guaranteed to be starting in the top division. For numerous reasons (money) the presidents of the flagship universities have more power than the presidents of small private christian colleges not named Notre Dame.
by texitect on May 16, 2025 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
No they don't
Colorado couldn’t fill their stadium when they were winning, Kansas is a .500 career program and still never made more money with football than basketball, even when Mangino had them winning.
TCU is situated in a state that actually cares about football and their alumni base may be small but it is dedicated to the school and has already proven the ability to raise funds to improve their facilities.
Colorado and Kansas don’t have near enough influence or pull, no matter if they are flagship universities, to demand to be included in the lifeboat from the start.
BTW, Patterson’s success, along with now being in a BCS conference, makes it easier to hire someone capable of keeping the program going. Watch TCU’s recruiting over the next couple of years compared to Colorado and Kansas.
by srr50 on May 16, 2025 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
You are wrong
about CU not selling out their stadium when they were good. From 1990 - 1997 CUs average attendance was approximately 52,000 which (more or less) equaled the stadiums capacity. (Still larger than TCU’s new stadium capacity). I’m to lazy to cut and paste the actual figures.
Obviously Kansas is a basketball school although the winning percentages between the three aren’t that much different
TCU’s all time record 591–516–57 (.532)
Kansas’s all time record 573–570–58 (.501)
CU’s all time record 674–452–36 (.596)
How do you explain the fact that CU was in the Big 12 and was invited to the PAC 12, while TCU was left out of the Big 12 and only received a Big 12 invite because Texas is desperate for the Longhorn Network to have a few more years of development time? TCU was willing to fly halfway across the country to play all their games because it was the only way to get an invite to a BCS conference.
If the conferences were to reorganize into super conferences TCU and Kansas likely would both be left out, but my guess is that all of Kansas’ senators and their representatives would likely fight any proposal that left them (and KSU) out. Do you think TCU would be able to garner the same amount of political support in Texas?
Clearly TCU has a better coach than either KU or CU, so I don’t think their current recruiting success or failure is indicative of the power the school wields within the NCAA.
by texitect on May 17, 2025 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes TCU would have the political clout to fight for inclusion.
Strength in numbers — the political brokers would want as many schools from the Lone Star State included as possible, especially since they are now already included in the Big 12.
by srr50 on May 17, 2025 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Good question but not sure it would matter
The Big 12 South would dominate the North, just like it used to.
by Vasherized on May 15, 2025 12:15 PM CDT reply actions
OVERTIMES SETTLED BY PENALTY KICKS
I like it.
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by jc25 on May 15, 2025 12:36 PM CDT reply actions
and if still tied
each head coach picks three players to enter the Octagon.
Steve Edmond
Reggie Wilson
Kenny Vaccaro
by Vasherized on May 15, 2025 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
You and JC
are creating a wonderful league of teams that almost play college football, but, and you might realize I have a tendency to fall back on this, but American Gladiators is the ultimate tiebreaker. Anything can be settled with a tennis ball cannon, rolling around in giant hamster balls and running full speed into a doorway that might contain a thin sheet of paper or a brick wall.
I actually think that relegation is a great idea for all sports. I’d like to watch the Astros play teams they can beat. When they’re ready to beat Pittsburg again, they can come back up to the Majors. Right now, I’d prefer to watch them not get beat every day. What relegation really does is forces buy in. Either you’re going to expend resources to win games or you’re going to have a really loyal fan base of 6,000.
by Yossarian Rising on May 15, 2025 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree.
Where can one purchase a tennis ball cannon? Off to Google…
by Sailor Ripley on May 15, 2025 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
That might make the SEC go broke
they would have to pay their kickers then. They obviously dont now.
by RQ on May 15, 2025 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks, Vash.
Good fun for an off season.
by Sailor Ripley on May 15, 2025 1:46 PM CDT reply actions
Biggest problem with relegation
is that it’s impossible to have all the teams play the same (or almost exactly the same) schedule the way they do in the EPL and other footie leagues. Get rid of non-con and play everyone home-and-away in the same season, and it could work. Otherwise the freakout by middling teams with tough schedules will be insane and scheduling logic will get very twisted. It might work for baseball or basketball but there’s not enough time to fit that much football into a semester.
I could actually see this in the NFL. Split it up into four leagues, and advance/relegate two every year. Not like the owners would ever accept that, though.
by Dagga Roosta on May 15, 2025 3:35 PM CDT reply actions
Apply it to MLB
This might actually help drive interest in baseball. Don’t see it working for the NFL and the NBA is doing fine.
by TexasFan101 on May 15, 2025 4:17 PM CDT reply actions
Head hurts.
I’m not smart enough to grasp the soccer stuff and then transfer it to ’Merican foo-ball.
I begin to think this is just an excuse to write about European Football.
by RomaVicta on May 15, 2025 5:50 PM CDT reply actions
There are only so many things
You can make up about the longhorns in the offseason.
by Vasherized on May 15, 2025 7:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Nationwide leagues
I felt compelled to sign up to comment since I’m a fan of both the EPL and college football.
They should have 5 leagues of 48 teams each, which would combine all but 2 of the FBS and FCS teams. Each league would have 4 conferences of 12.
Play a 11 game regular season, all in-conference. Top 2 in each conference enter playoffs with 1st round winners getting promoted to next level. Worst 4 teams by record get relegated.
Top league champ is National Champ.
by Lnghrn911 on May 15, 2025 11:22 PM CDT reply actions
You got it half-right.
That hasn’t stopped Brickhorn from espousing his theories about life to anyone that will listen.
I espouse them to anyone, whether they will listen or not.
By the way, how are the EPL playoffs shaping up? Will there be any exciting first-round matchups? Oh. Riiiiight.
Robots are everywhere, and they eat old people's medicine for fuel.
by BrickHorn on May 16, 2025 10:09 AM CDT reply actions
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