The DeLoss Dodds College Football Playoff Plan
Yesterday, King Gangster Troll DeLoss Dodds laid out his preference for settling how to best decide college football's champion and I wanted to toss it up on our weblog so you all could respond and debate (changes BrickHorn's password).
You can check out the whole deal here from Kirk Bohls on the Austin American Statesman.
Couple of highlights:
In Dodds' version, four teams would be selected by a blue-ribbon committee of "seven or nine" objective panelists who are very familiar with college football and follow the game passionately. "They'd be people who have football backgrounds and who are not biased," Dodds said.
I can already hear people moaning about this. Everybody is biased. Key is to get a large enough group (nine) who have disparate biases. I am ambivalent on this. Wonder if "the computers" should have a codified role...
Hello, DeLoss.
Dodds said he favors picking four teams at large who were not necessarily conference champions...
Um, yes. Nobody wants to watch Jonathan Vilma collect bounties on Eric Crouch again.
"...I’d have ‘em bid it out to cities and stadiums for the three games, and I favor neutral sites for the games because using the campuses (as host sites, at least for the two semifinal games) would be too much of an advantage."
I actually like the idea of the semis being hosted at home stadiums. That helps with keeping people plugged in all year. I'd also like a system that rewards (or doesn't penalize good teams playing good teams in the early part of the year. Maybe a situation where # 3 losing on the road to # 1 24-21 gets tossed out from the formula.
Meanwhile the Big Ten is confused by weather.
What do you all think?
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The blue ribbon panel idea made me groan
Strong enthusiasm for at-large bids. Where I differ from the Dan Wetzels of the world is that none us need to see Louisiana-Lafayette, conference champion, in an opening round game against OU or USC. We’re smart enough to draw the line somewhere and I suppose the panel is means of doing that if we choose not to trust the BCS formulas.
by Scipio Tex on May 17, 2025 1:38 PM CDT reply actions
Selection committee nonsense? No.
I’d prefer to utilize the BCS rankings, but with a few tweaks. Eliminate pre-season voting, which the BCS rankings already did. It slots too many in and too many out, and it’s all meaningless anyway. I’m not as picky about when you start polling. Maybe once everybody has started conference play? Week 8 strikes me as too late, but whatever. And introduce some transparency if you’re going to use the computers. At least a primer on what criteria are being utilized.
by TexanNick on May 17, 2025 1:48 PM CDT reply actions
The problem
is it’s likely a free speech issue. The BCS can make sure no poll it uses in it’s formula issues pre-season or early-season polls, but can’t stop others from issuing a poll. Even if the usual suspects stopped doing their polls before say week 6 or 8 out of deference (not likely), plenty of outlets/sites would fill in the vacuum and some would likely quickly become influential in the absence of the usual ones.
by tdwalsh on May 17, 2025 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Selection committee would favor Texas and other big name schools
Basically the selection committee would figure out which matchups would have the biggest TV draws and would lay those out.
It’s a great recipe for all hell to break loose. Boise and friends would continue getting screwed, IMO.
by notsofst on May 17, 2025 2:12 PM CDT reply actions
I'd be ok
With the panel as long as sport journalists were not allowed to participate.
by texitect on May 17, 2025 2:18 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
The Panel shall include:
One representative each appointed by the following: the Gettys, the Rothschilds, the Vatican, and the Queen.
Done.
by Big(g) Ern on May 17, 2025 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lapaglia
Cracking up at the end of that spiel is so fantastic.
by Sailor Ripley on May 17, 2025 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Would have included the Colonel (Sanders)
… but he went tits up.
by Big(g) Ern on May 17, 2025 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I’d be ok with computer formulas governing the 4 at-large spots. I don’t like the human part of the formula of the BCS though. It really bugs me that a 1 loss team that lost in week 2 is 10 spots better than a team that lost in week 11 when it comes time to see who gets to play in what bowl game.
I don’t even know that I buy into a playoff though. I still struggle with the idea that a team that lost twice in the regular season could theoretically have a chance to play for a title against a team that didn’t lose all year. Maybe the two loss team is the “best team” at the end of the season, but at some point down this road, the regular season loses its meaning…see 2011 NC Alabama for an example.
Maybe I just like complaining now that I think about it.
by Yossarian Rising on May 17, 2025 2:46 PM CDT reply actions
playoffs
I am definitely for watching Louisiana Lafayette play USC in round one. This would drastically increase the quality of the lower leagues and give the little guys their shot. Anyone willing to bet that Boise State would have knocked off a big boy or two the last 5 or 6 years? You never know unless you let them play.
A four team playoff is a step in the right direction, but I am a huge fan of the Wetzel plan. And don’t give me the devalued regular season argument. If anything it would make the regular season much MORE enjoyable
by JackbeNimble on May 17, 2025 3:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
It increases their quality
how exactly? By allowing them to lose 56-10 on national television? Boise State isn’t ULL. Just as ULL isn’t Yale. We can draw lines, we can recognize baseline capability.
by Scipio Tex on May 17, 2025 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be like that Jon Jones vs. Homeless Guy bout you posted a while back.
ULL vs. USC-type match-ups only work in NCAA basketball-type tournament.
by WreckerTex on May 17, 2025 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Right.
Football has a level of physical inevitability that basketball does not. There’s no football equivalent of going 14 of 20 from the 3 point line. There’s no football equivalent to Chaminade beating Georgetown. Hell, a poor baseball team will beat the ’27 Yankees 2 out of 10. These are just different sports.
by Scipio Tex on May 17, 2025 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
little guy
Why I love a play-off. A big huge fuckin play-off. Every once and awhile I would get to watch Miami Ohio or Southren Miss with Brett Favre kick someones ass (not named Texas, preferrably OU). Might be once a decade but you all would remember that 1st round upset before the champ.
by codaxx on May 17, 2025 9:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If it's going to be a 4-team playoff, I favor the conference champions only plan
I see it as the only way to make sure something like Alabama-LSU II doesn’t happen again. Even if the national consensus after the loss to LSU and before the NCG was still that Bama was the best team in the land, they didn’t do what they needed to do to earn a right to play for the NC, in my mind. It’s one thing to be a conference champion with one loss. It’s another to not even win your division, much less your conference. I don’t care how good you are supposed to be (or actually are). We lost to Tech in ‘08. Game over. OSU lost to ISU last year. Game over. Should’ve been game over for Alabama last year, too.
by Jimbone on May 17, 2025 3:33 PM CDT reply actions
I agree
I don’t care how good people say you are if you failed to produce. If a “blue ribbon panel” will not have limiting perameters multiple sec teams will be involved because it’s an established fact the sec is the best & deepest conference.
by ole tnhorn on May 17, 2025 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, and
Tech lost to OU, and OU lost to us. That created the problem.
by j_java on May 17, 2025 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
It should have been game over for Bama last year
but only because just 2 teams got a shot. If it’d been a 4 team playoff they absolutely would’ve deserved to be in it. If Bama hadn’t been eligible for the playoff WVU, Clemson or Wisconsin would’ve been in, do you really think they were more deserving?
Also, what you said about 08, are you serious?
by cade21 on May 18, 2025 3:58 AM CDT up reply actions
In favor of a 8 team playoff
Take the champions of the 5 power conferences (Big East don’t count). Have 3 at large bids for either highly ranked 2nd place teams (like Alabama in 2011 or Texas in 2008) or independent/mid major teams (ND/Boise St). Determine the three at large via a transparent BCS poll. Play 1st two rounds at campus sites, with the final played at one of the traditional BCS bowls. I think it would preserve the purpose of the regular season while providing a true championship format.
by Average Fan on May 17, 2025 4:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think there should be an 8-team playoff as well
And I agree w/ your selection process. The only disagreement I have is having the 1st 2 rounds at campus sites. I agree w/ Dodds re: neutral sites, but what’s more important than the neutral aspect is the tremendous amount of money that will be generated when these sites bid to host the games.
I’m also open to having a 12-team playoff, w/ 1st-round byes for the top 4 teams. This way, the top teams are rewarded for their seasons, while at the same time the game’s not over for 1-loss teams that, due to the particularity of tie-breakers, are automatically eliminated.
Either way, this keeps the “sanctity” of the regular season. You still have to win a lot of games to get in.
by Joetx on May 17, 2025 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree on 8-team playoff
I agree on taking the 5 power conference champions provided they’re in the top 16. Otherwise, all the remaining slots should be at large.
Play the first round the first week in December in substitution of conference championship games. (Eliminating conference championship games avoids the possibility for repeat matchups from earlier in the season. I also like the fact that it penalizes the idiot urge to gravitate toward larger conferences, e.g. SEC. Also, compact, 10-team conferences fare the best). First round games could be neutral site as existing bowls, but I could go with on-campus games as an advantage to being in the top 4. The top 8 may have some undefeated teams that should be rewarded over 1 and 2-loss teams (this silences the silly argument that the regular season doesn’t matter).
Play Round 2 on or within 2 days of new years at a neutral site, as one of the bowls. Maybe even allow the losers of Round 1 to participate in a non-playoff bowl with all the other non-playoff qualifiers. This players and fans would want this.
I like the bowls, and integrating a limited playoff into that structure seems sensible. I don’t see why bowls need to die if there’s a playoff.
by The Bona Fide FrozenHorn on May 17, 2025 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
die, die,die my darling
If there is a playoff the bowls are dead. What is the pt of calling a second round game the Orange Bowl? Its just the second rnd of the play-offs. There is no specially meaning to it. You are holdoing on to Jan 1 with Dad watching a whole day of football, They killed that. Let it go
by codaxx on May 17, 2025 9:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't understand arguing for more than an 8 team playoff
When was the last time anyone outside the top 4 had a legit argument as the best team in CFB? I honestly think 8 is too many but I’d be ok with it. I don’t want college football champions being obviously not the best teams but the ones that went on a run at the right time, like the Giants this year. I’m of the opinion that the 4 team playoff is mostly necessary just to get rid of the controversy when the #3 team has a legitimate claim to be in the championship.
by cade21 on May 18, 2025 4:10 AM CDT up reply actions
2 reasons
1. Becuase I like football. Top 16 playing 15 games against eachother makes me happy.
2. Who cares if a 16 seed wins. They would have to beat 4 top 10 teams to do that. I am not sure there has ever been a champ to beat 4 top 10 teams. Some champs have only played 1, yet people are cool with that. If you beat 4 top 10 teams you deserve it
by codaxx on May 18, 2025 5:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Playoff Junkies
There are sports for people like you. College football isn’t one of them. If you need the “juice” of a playoff environment to enhance your college football high, then it’s time to move on.
by G.O.F on May 18, 2025 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I want then to make a chioce
Bring back the pageantry and tradition or blow it up. What I can not stand is the half-ass shit we have now. Unfortunately, most CFB fans can not admit that we have destroyed the traditions of bowls. Just pick one or the other
by codaxx on May 18, 2025 9:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Let me ask you this:
Let’s say you have a son who plays football for Texas, let’s say running back. How would you feel about him playing an extra 4 games against teams that should be among the 16 most physical teams in the country?
by BurntOrangeJuice on May 18, 2025 3:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
you are missing the big picture
There are 64 bowl teams that practice 10-15 times (?) before the bowl. You also have 32 games. Playoff would be 15 games. Would you care to bet that there are less injuries over a 15 game period or a 32 game period? that is a 16 game playoff
by codaxx on May 18, 2025 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
You hypothetical son would only be playing on one of those 64 teams.
The number of games an individual team plays in a hypothetical 16 team playoff is 4 more than in the current system unless the regular season is shortened. Therefore, injury risk to the one player you’re most concerned about in this scenario is greatly increased l.
by BurntOrangeJuice on May 18, 2025 6:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The assumption that your sons team makes it all the way to the championship game is obviously implied.
by BurntOrangeJuice on May 18, 2025 6:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
greater good
So you would rather have the chance for injury to 64 teams than to 16? Yes the toll would be harder on about 8 teams. It would be easier on 56 teams (assuming a 16 game playoff). Academically somewhere between 56-60 teams would be able to focus on their education earlier.
by codaxx on May 18, 2025 9:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
4 hypothetical games is only 3 more than the current system.
This works out to 4 teams playing 1 extra game, 2 teams playing 2 extra games, and 2 teams playing 3 extra games. In a field of 120 teams, that sounds fairly insignificant to me.
Besides, these guys play in playoffs in high school and will (hopefully) again in the NFL. They did as well in middle school and probably back to pee-wee ball. D-I FBS college football is the only level where they would not play in a playoff over their entire lives. And the high school playoffs are huge. What is it, like a 128-team bracket? Do you see high school players complaining about the chance to win state because they have to win 6 or 7 games (or whatever it works out to)?
That said, I’m an advocate of an 8 team playoff. I think that would include every team with a legitimate claim to having the best season in CFB, while not diluting anything.
"ABC welcomes you back to Vince Young Field"
-Rose Bowl sign
by Andrew Wiggin on May 18, 2025 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Fighting Words
The only team with an argument left out last year was OSU, and a 4 team playoff in ANY format rectifies that injustice.
So favoring a conference champion format to prevent another Rematch is beyond stupid. It’s planning for WWII by figuring out what went wrong with WWI. Ask France how that worked out.
The conference champion model would not have excluded Alabama last year, because you had to run down the list to Boise State (8) or Wisconsin (10) to get that champ. It WOULD exclude a team like Texas in 2008.
A conference champion model is not in the interests of Texas, the B12, or CFB. Still ticked off at Alabama? Get over it. It’s done. You can’t undo it. Stop trying. Can we please get this right moving forward?
I hate the idea of an 8 team format as well. Clemson 2011 has no business in a playoff, period. Do we really need 3 more two loss teams and a 3 loss entry to figure this thing out?
4 best teams. Please.
by G.O.F on May 17, 2025 8:24 PM CDT reply actions
AMEN to all of this
“Still ticked off at Alabama? Get over it. It’s done. You can’t undo it. Stop trying. Can we please get this right moving forward?”
I think this gets at the heart of the “conference champion” theory—we can’t compete with the SEC so we’ll change the rules. Frankly, that’s horseshit.
And if you really believe that, then you better damn well be for the pre-1975 NCAA basketball tournament as well. Because why should you win a national title if you can’t win your conference title.
by DoubleB on May 17, 2025 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
2008
In top 4 format woud have included Bama and Texas, but exclude an undefeated Utah team that kicked Bama’s ass
by codaxx on May 17, 2025 9:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I actually don't think Bama would have been included
In 2008, voters didn’t discern between teams 4 and 5. The big deal was determining 2 and 3. In a 4-team playoff I think there would have been a serious relook at the ballots between Alabama and USC. It may not have been enough (USC had awful computer numbers), but I don’t think it was a lock to be Alabama either.
Under very few 4-team systems does that 2008 Utah team get to the playoffs.
by DoubleB on May 17, 2025 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
More Alabama? Really?
So you would rather see Alabama out in 2008 than Texas in? Really?
Alabama played without 2 starting offensive linemen, one the Outland Trophy winner, in that game. They still outscored Utah 17-10 after Utah opened up 21-0. Uah had a fantastic team and deserved to win that game.
But I’m not designing a playoff system around it.
by G.O.F on May 18, 2025 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions
who cares?
Bama outscored them after they were up 21. What the hell kind of logic is that? Don’t go aggie and try to pump up Bama. They got their ass kicked by a mid-major accept it
by codaxx on May 18, 2025 9:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks for completely missing the point
Accept it? I made money off of it. Utah plus 10.5 against a team coming off a loss like that? Guaranteed money. The loss of the two offensive linemen for a team like Alabama was just gravy.
I am not arguing Utah wasn’t a great team. I am saying you can’t build a playoff model around Utah’s Sugar Bowl victory. The anecdote doesn’t prove anything, and even if it does, it does not supercede a team like Texas 2008 getting into a playoff.
by G.O.F on May 18, 2025 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
you missed the pt
Someone said the key to this is getting the 4 best teams together. I simply dont believe you can select 4 teams and have a very high confidence you selected the 4 best. Utah is a great example of that. Undefeated team that finished #2 in the nation and never had a chance to sniff a 4 team playoff..
by codaxx on May 18, 2025 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
True with any configuration
Same argument goes for 2, 4, 8, 16, 32…. You never have assurance that a team better than one of the included teams didn’t get left out. It never ends.
You can go to a system which goes so far to include every possible worthy team that obviously non-competitive teams make the cut (basketball model). But we all know how that story ends. The whole season is spent positioning for seeds. No one watches. No one cares.
Did Utah get hosed out of an opportunity to play for a national championship, and were they one of the 4 best? Don’t know, don’t care. Building a system to protect the next Utah (assuming such a creature even exists, given consolidation) comes directly at the expense of the B12 and teams in the B12.
Utah beat Alabama. They may have whooped Alabama at full strength in a game that was played as a national semi-final rather than a “we’d rather be somewhere else” exhibition. But that speculation is hardly worth making the foundational principle of the CFB post-season.
You’re never going to have a clean 4, just like you never have a clean 68 in basketball. The second place team in the B12 will often be arguably stronger than the ACC, Big East, B1G, or P12 champion, much less one of the other conferences. A “best 4” approach considers everyone. A conference champion approach means Texas 2008 and Alabama 2011 can’t even be considered, no matter who they beat during the regular season. And that’s wrong. The fact that Utah beat Alabama doesn’t change that equation.
Is it going to be perfect? No. Nothing is. But there will be years when the B12 #2 has a demonstrably stronger resume than the champion from the B1G, P12, ACC, and Big East. Going 8-3 in the ACC, Big East, and P12 does not magically confer some sort of greatness just because you won a division tie-breaker and drew the opposing division’s 2nd ranked team because their #1 is on probation.
We can anecdote worst-case scenarios all day long. 4 best leaves everyone on the table for consideration. Conference champion model takes teams out before consideration even begins, and to accomplish what, exactly?
Plus, conference champion model guarantees expansion. See NCAA tournament, which started as a conference champion model.
by G.O.F on May 18, 2025 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
you do though
Well there are several ways to think about this. Do we want the 4 best to play or do you want the 4 best to have had a shot to win? There is a difference. Most people favored OSU v LSU. Why? Bama already had their shot at LSU. So excluding them is not an injustice. Their shot was taken by LSU. OSU never got its shot. You could say ISU was their shot, but OSU had the second hardest schedule in the nation. Colley had the top 6 hardest schedules in the Big. Nobody knows how LSU or Bama would have done vs a harder schedule. We do know Bama had their shot. Now apply that to a 4 team playoff. Now if you are talking about making sure you get the 4 best teams in it is simple. 4 team playoff makes it hard to be sure you got the 4 best. 8 team playoff you are pretty sure the top 4 teams are there. If it is 16 it is a lock the 4 best are included. You can never know if you picked the top 8 or 16, but you know you picked enough to guarantee you got the best 4
by codaxx on May 18, 2025 9:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Conference chamoion versus 4 best
I think we’re mixing issues.
1 - A “conference champion” scenario more likely excludes better teams than a “4 best” scenario. Even if you drop the conference champion requirement below a 6 ranking, you still get the 3rd and 4th ranked teams being passed over a third of the time. That’s insane.
2 - An 8 team format is an altogether different argument, and it’s not happening in the near future. Today’s announcement about the SEC/B12 bowl confirms that reality.
by G.O.F on May 18, 2025 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
the difference
By selecting conference champions you are less likely to not give someone a shot. You may not have the best 4, but the best 4 all received a shot. Like this year. OSU had a legitimate argument that they were screwed. If Bama was left out they had none. The simple retort would be you had your shot at the title at home and LSU won.
by codaxx on May 19, 2025 11:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You're still circular
Everyone has a “shot” in both systems. You seem to mean by “shot” winning your conference. I mean by “shot” getting ranked in the top 4.
In your system, Alabama could beat Michigan by 50, lose to LSU by 1, and be out - and Michigan, by winning the B1G would be in.
My system allows people to parse that evidence. Your system makes out-of-conference games totally meaningless.
We disagree. I see your point. i just don’t agree with it.
by G.O.F on May 19, 2025 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
That's cool
I just think your system relies to heavily on opinion. Your system will always favor the established teams. In my opinion OSU missed the playoff, because they had OSU on their helmet. If it was a noble longhorn or a disgusting OU, they would have been in. That trend will continue, because it is easy to the Bama’s, USC, etc over an upstart lie OSU.
by codaxx on May 19, 2025 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Meant
It is easy to vote in a Bama, USC, Ohio State, etc over an upstart like OSU.
by codaxx on May 19, 2025 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
The metric doesn't matter
Whether it’s committee or BCS or computers or straight polls, it’s fairly irrelevant. Because at some point, someone is going to be left out and have a legitimate complaint.
In 2008, there were SEVEN 1-loss major conference teams—USC, Penn State, Florida, Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas Tech and two more unbeatens—Utah and Boise State.
BCS would have taken Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, and Alabama
Computers would have taken Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, and Texas Tech
I believe a committee would have taken Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, and USC
No matter the metric, some very good teams are staying home.
The key is that the 4 BEST teams are in it.
by DoubleB on May 17, 2025 8:45 PM CDT reply actions
??
You sort of invalidate your post. Bama is in Utah is out. You have 6 teams mentioned then say the key is we get the best 4. Well, clearly we can not always get the best 4. I believe 3 of your 6 got stomped in bowl games. To gaurantee the top 4 teams are playing you need to have a field of greater than 4.
by codaxx on May 18, 2025 9:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Depending on the metric, Bama MIGHT have been in. Again, I don’t see how Utah makes the field that year under any metric.
Any playoff field is going to be subjective. Even a champions only field requires you to rank the champions. Teams are going to have beefs, just like they do in the NCAA basketball tournament. But at least that tournament tries to find the 37 best at-large teams instead of putting in conference qualifiers. No other NCAA sport does that. Why would football?
by DoubleB on May 18, 2025 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
understood
but the arguments are much different. the 65th seed in NCAA tourney has 0 chance to win. Obviously the farther you go out the less of a bitch you have. It is not bitching about #5. I only used Utah, because they finished #2 in the nation and they never had a chance to be involved. You stated the key to this is getting the 4 best teams together. My pt is simply that if you want the 4 best teams involved you will need to have more than 4 teams involved. If you select 4 teams than you have to have 100% confidence in your ability to accurately rank and select teams and that is just not possible. .
by codaxx on May 18, 2025 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I want no panels
BCS picks the top four not caring about conference champions.
TEXAS FIGHT
by Darklust on May 17, 2025 10:42 PM CDT reply actions
define the objective
it appears most of the bickering (on this site and in general) is about the format or methodology used to establish a playoff system and determine its participants but the real underpinnings of the debate is not about the methodology but about the objective. one camp prioritizes not screwing anyone with a “legitimate” case. another camp prioritizes having “deserving” champions versus teams on hot streaks. either camp can site various seasons/years to support their claims because every year of college football is different and presents new challenges regarding post season fairness. in 2002, 2005 and 2009, two was the number. in 2003, 2004, and 2006, four was the number. in 2007 and 2008, at least eight had a claim. hell, in 2011, i would argue one team had a claim after the regular season, LSU. unless we have a football czar (as my good friend the Stos has argued for and would like to nominate himself) that decides at the end of each regular season the appropriate format for a playoff given the body of work, we’re bound to have an “imperfect” recipe. obviously, the more teams included, the less chance of a worthy exclusion. obviously the less teams included, the less chance of an unworthy champion. however, looking to years past and trying to reverse engineer is a dangerous and flawed rationale given the certainty of uncertainty moving forward.
my personal bias lies on the side of inclusion. so what if a 2 loss big ten team runs all over an undefeated pac 12 team and one loss sec team to win it all? so what if lsu gets upset by houston in the first round. so what if vatech takes down okie state. i prefer settling it on the field. i know this leaves me open to logical extension and the argument “hey john galt, 12 is more inclusive than 8, do you want to go there? what about 16?” its all better than 2 and probably “fairer” than 4.
"I swear -- by my life and my love for it -- that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
by J Galt on May 18, 2025 1:46 PM CDT reply actions
J Galt
love the name. Dont see Ayn Rand mentioned much here. I happen to completely agree. The good think about football is that you need a week in between games. People will say 32 and 64, but we all know that is nonsense. Football season pretty much needs to end by the first week of Jan, so you have about 4 weeks to play with. 8-16 is fine with me. I am pretty confident we will see the top 4 teams play in even a 8 team playoff. Playoff would help academics and lessen the risk for injury as a benefit to players also
by codaxx on May 18, 2025 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
my argument was void of logistical considerations and more about inherent priorities or biases, but yes, more than 16 seems impossible and even 8 seems like a stretch given today’s budget constraints for many programs and fans.
one thing i’m particularly biased towards which most people don’t care about is conference championships. i would like them to mean something. currently they don’t. they could. but they don’t automatically. rewarding major conference champions with automatic berths into a playoff system would maintain the value of the regular season that so many people cling to and actually make conference championships important. as we stand today conference championships mean little compared to undefeated seasons given the importance of undefeated status in determining the MNC. it would also encourage better inter-conference match-ups since the prospect of an early loss is insignificant given the status of conference competition.
"I swear -- by my life and my love for it -- that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
by J Galt on May 18, 2025 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
agree
OOC scheduling is one f the reasons I love a playoff. If winning your conference is the ticket, why not test your team early, like CBB. If you went to 8 teams. You have the Pac, Big 12, Big 10, ACC, and Big 10 champ in automatically. That is 5 teams (you are out Big East). Leaves 3 at-large. I would like to see the first round at home stadiums. The last 3 game are bid out (Delo$$ $tyle) 4 home teams would be the top 4 ranked conference winners. That is a huge advantage. Winning your conference becomes paramount. You can not “throw” a game, because one loss can knock you out of a home game. Regular season becomes bigger. You have 8 spots. As many as 12-14 teams fighting for there lives. Instead of only 1 or 2 significant games at the end of the season
by codaxx on May 18, 2025 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
where do i sign?
"I swear -- by my life and my love for it -- that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
by J Galt on May 18, 2025 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
btw, now we’re two dudes having a one on one dialogue on a chat board. i’m uncomfortable.
"I swear -- by my life and my love for it -- that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
by J Galt on May 18, 2025 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
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